NOTE: Elgato 4K60 Pro CAN record 240/144fps in OBS/XSplit, just no the 4K Capture Utility. I mis-spoke, sorta. Thoughts on the timecode progress bars? TIMECODES: 01:14 Disclosures 01:35 Specs 04:24 What's in the box? 05:16 Capturing Footage 06:48 HDR 09:51 Encoder Problems 11:59 RECentral in 2018 12:56 High Frame Rate 14:03 RGB 14:53 PCB & Heatsink 15:34 Conclusion
Good video! I have tried with my Elgato 4K 60 Pro, but it just duplicated frames not real 240 fps (valid frames only 60 fps). Could you share how to record real 240 fps? It will be good information. Thank you!
I want to thank you EposVox because I watched your videos and decided to purchase the Avermedia Live HD gamer 2 I think its called. now my recordings and streams are really good. I don't think I will upgrade to the 4k capture card yet. Because even though my processor can handle it my graphics card cannot. But either way thank you.
Is this an actual encoder card or just and interface card? i didnt really hear you talk about if the card actually encodes the data to be written to the disk. Or does it just pass through the stream to the cpu so the cpu does the encoding?
Just got this card on your recommendation after non-stop headaches with the Elgato 4K60 PRO. What a difference! It actually works with 144hz with zero problems and passes through the audio as it should. Great!
Previously purchased Elgato 4K 60 Pro but was really unsatisfied how it produced fake duplicated frame rate to get 240p, I've already sold it and bought Live Gamer 4K (GC573) I'm blown away by the design and quality of this card. The software RECentral 4 is also excellent. You did a great review, however I also missed the mention about the DTS pass-thru support.
This review is precise and in-depth I really like it. Gave me a clear indication on how RECentral as a tool works and how good it's now I had the same issue with it before a while back same goes for Elgatos tools they just didn't seem grasping the concept of livestreaming and still lacked behind in core features and quality. Having the option to record in 4K / HDR content is great though probably only be done by the 0.1%. Though it's fair to say for a 300$ extension card / capture card you really don't want anything to nag about. I defintly thought about buying a capture card as it's a hobby of mine, I streamed for a whole month each day with my own settings on a un-optimal internet connection. And I hated it when my material looked like smth. straight outta the dumpster when I compiled it into a video for my channel. Now that I have a decent connection, I feel confident enough to put in some more money and buy myself a capture card with which I'm capable of stream in 1080p / 60 FPS and record 1440p / 144 FPS content in H.264 / HEVC.
I'm a idiot. I only just realized if I buy this I'll loose the option to use FreeSync on my monitor as FreeSync needs DisplayPort Adaptive-Sync. And HDMI only supports variable FPS with the newly announced HDMI 2.1 standard. So I'm pretty much SOL when it comes to gaming and capturing FreeSync gameplay with a capture card.
Hey EposVox, mind sharing which HDMI splitter you used to send another signal to your monitor? (Or is the included pass-through good enough?) Silly extra question: If you stream from RECentral, can you stream with a HDR signal somehow?
For my monitor I just used the passthrough, it works fine enough for me. But I do use this Monoprice splitter to send the system to my TV and to a 30ft HDMI 2.0 cable over to my system for the capture card www.monoprice.com/product?c_id=101&cp_id=10113&cs_id=1011307&p_id=21613&seq=1&format=2
I have a Alienware Aurora R7, i7, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080. I also have a PS4 Pro, and I've been wanting to really test my computer out, but I wasn't sure if I should get something simple, or go all out. Because it would be my first capture card, and first time streaming. But, you my friend have convinced me, if I find a good special this holiday season I'll grab it. ^^
I think elgato could just reduce the cost of the 4k60 pro cost down to $300 and they added hdr support. Competition in the market is a good thing. Elgato finally has some company competing now.
Lover Of Tech yea usually it mean innovation will happen within the market and thing will get better. Personally I’ve been eyeballing a 4k capture because I play lots of games on Xbox one x and want to stream it too. I only have an elgato hd60 currently so that creates a problem cause I still want my display to be in 4k.
I just bit the bullet and I am never going back to the elgato 4k pro. Seriously...this card is amazing. Little to no setup, instead of using Elgato's Sound capture, I use voicemeeter banana to send the audio to both my gaming headset AND the capture card, basically doing the same job. Now, this card doesn't drop frames when recording like the elgato did. Which is amazing, I don't know why I didn't buy this card earlier. ALSO, btw, there's a noticeable reduction in video delay in OBS.
Does this support Multi channel audio passthrough (5.1/7.1/DD/DTS etc)?, so i can leave my consoles audio settings as 5.1 and the AVerMedia will downmix all the audio channels to stereo on the output capture file??
Nice summary on this card. Just picked it up myself, and I'm rather impressed and content with it. I don't find the latency on the preview all that bad though really. I wouldn't wanna do shooters on it or anything, but I think it's fine for slower adventure games, or RPGs or such. In any case, I would recommend this card to anyone who is on the fence. Aside from getting a bum card which is faulty, there's not much to "dislike" with this one. Avermedia has done pretty good in this model.
Hey EposVox quick question if I have this motherboard will it work? First off I love your videos you rock!!! Should meet the pci requirement with a GIGABYTE Z370 AORUS Gaming board?
What kind of latency do you feel this adds in the live preview out of interest? I'd be primarily interested in using such a card for viewing a Windows virtual machine with graphics passthrough inside a Linux environment for gaming and similar purposes, though I'm a fairly causal gamer. However, I tried a monitor with high input latency recently and boy oh boy did I notice it. It was bad enough that you noticed a delay when you were doing something as simple as typing...
Hey! Thanks for all your videos on OBS and streaming, they've been a great resource. I have a question: what kind of ballpark specs do you need for a dedicated streaming PC running the Elgato 4k and OBS? I'm thinking a 4k OBS canvas, a Open-VR 4k-ish source, 2 webcams and a few filters and overlays, all output to 1080p60 on Twitch. If I use on-board graphics and cpu-based encoding, what kind of CPU do I need? Or should I go for NVENC to balance the load on the system - if so what cpu+gpu combo would you recommend? Many thanks! /Kris
Amazing review! Im looking to upgrade my old gaming capture card (HDPVR Gaming edition 2, i know its old...) I was looking for a 4k Capture card and this one fits the profile but I have some questions... If I want to record 4k gameplay from my PS4 Pro what do I need? I need a 4k Monitor for my PS4 Pro and a 4k Monitor for my PC? I always had this question... It is essentially a 4k monitor for my PS4 Pro so I can record in 4k60Fps, with this caoture device, right?
Would I be able to record 4k60 HDR if my GPU is a 980 Ti or is a 10X0 level GPU required? I saw the recommended minimum is a 1060, which for gaming my 980Ti would outperform, but I'm wondering if there is maybe HEVC hardware on the newer cards mine doesn't have.
Thanks Adam for, as always, such a detai and dynamic review. What i like the most of the review was the comment no issues with OBS =) Btw, did i just see a Magewell Pro Capture HDMI 4K Plus LT? Are you reviewing it?
I still feel HDR is something that needs to be work out, specially for PC gaming and recording, not a big deal to me atm, i feel newer generations will be better. But im very interested on your review of the Magewell Pro Capture HDMI 4K Plus LT, specially since 4k60Pro bitrate restricted to 140 Mbps, to what i heard on your video the AVerMedia Live Gamer 4K is limited to 240 Mbps, to what i have read the Magewell Pro Capture HDMI 4K Plus LT can reach between 400-500 Mbps. Also would like to know if the fan on the Magewell Pro Capture HDMI 4K Plus LT is inaudible? the before none LT model had a very noisy fan.
Well those limitations for the Elgato/AVerMedia cards are only in the supplied apps. Via OBS you have completely uncompressed access and can record any bitrate - usually more than any storage device can sustain. The same would apply to the Magewell card. It's all uncompressed access, so the bitrate is whatever you want it to be. I've never heard the fan from the Magewell. Will try to observe that more closely before I finish review.
Hi if I buy this, will it work with my MacBook pro? 2.2 GHz 6-Core Intel Core i7 16 GB 2400 MHz DDR4 Radeon Pro 555X 4 GB Intel UHD Graphics 630 1536 MB and HDMI to usb-c
Hey man it was great review. If you are still in process of reviewing AVerMedia Live Gamer ULTRA could you please if possible test it with laptops? those kind of cards many times are used by people who take them to gaming events and use laptops to record. I wonder how well this card would work with different processors. Can something like 6700HQ handle it? or maybe 7700HQ or higher would be needed. Cheers.
Good video overall. A few things: 1) ProRes files are never lossless, as you say. They're classified as 'lossy' (still great, though). 2) Davinci Resolve free version doesn't import HEVC, but the $300 'Studio' version does. 3) It's curious that the HEVC files produced by ReCentral and Live Gamer 4K are not in log format (i.e. the greyish, washed-out look characteristic of HDR video when played back on SDR display. Which - unless I misunderstood what you were saying up to and around the 9:53 mark - begs the question, are the captured files recognized by RUclips as HDR. I've uploaded many HEVC Main 10 files with HDR metadata. RUclips always announces that an HDR video is being uploaded when I do so, and it creates an SDR version as well. I hope that I just misunderstood what you said, and that this device/software isn't just recording HDR gameplay into a standard-gamma (non-log) format that just greatly resembles the original HDR feed without constituting a true HDR file (with or without metadata - that can always be 'injected' with various utilities).
1 - It's "visually lossless" with generational loss being negligible, but not *technically* lossless. But close enough. 2 - That's bizarre. They don't make that obvious nor list that as one of the paid benefits. 3 - MediaInfo says the files are 10-bit, 2020 color space so that's about as far as I can get with determining if "real HDR." I imagine it's possibly not as accurate as other methods, but I'm really not sure.
1) You didn't say "visually lossless", you said "lossless," so I just corrected that statement. Besides, base ProRes is slightly visually lossy and more compressed than, say HQ, 4444 and up. It's still my favorite codec. 2) No surprise. Blackmagic Design is a shitty company that currently doesn't have a supported release (i.e. non-beta) version of their $300 Davinci Resolve Studio (for which many people paid $1000 before they slashed the price to squirm out of support responsibility). That is, the only version of Studio still getting updates is "15 beta". Resolve 14 stopped getting updates a while back, even though there are still several widely-acknowledged, major issues. Instead of continuing to update 14 until it was suitably stable, they just released "15 beta" with a whole slew of new bugs, and gave it new features to justify taking their time with problems that carried over from 14. That said, I can assure you most HDR-compliant (Main 10 profile) HEVC files import fine. 3) If Mediainfo reports bt.2020 color primaries then it's likely real HDR, though it won't yet trigger HDR mode on TVs or on RUclips unless it also has ST.2084 transfer characteristics and BT. 2020 non-constant matrix coefficients, AFAIK (However, one can always use a metadata tool to add the other metadata, or as a last resort, import the file into Hybrid and re-export with that metadata, as Mystery Box describes on this webpage (they did a very famous RUclips HDR video, "The World in HDR"): www.mysterybox.us/blog/2016/10/27/hdr-video-part-5-grading-mastering-and-delivering-hdr
That's good to know. I'm also interested to know whether the default 150Mbps files play on HDR TV's and other devices with HEVC Main 10 decoders. I plan to download one of the videos you linked and try it on my TV (2016 Sony XBR43x800d) via USB drive when I get a chance. I ordered Live Gamer 4K a couple of days ago (it's on the way) but may end up returning it unopened if I find out that my 5930K CPU won't be sufficient for even the 150Mbps NVenc option via my 2016 Titan X Pascal. Avermedia's specs do say "i5-6xxxx and up" AND Nvidia 1060 GPU and up, but I'm hoping that's an 'OR' if one plans on using only NVenc.
Well done ☺ But a question poped up for me about the connectivity: - To record, you need to connect a HDMI 2.0 cable, thta should connect on the HDMI port of a GPU to the input HDMI 2.0 port of the capture card and... that's it? I think it's all you need to record without any problems... Why would you need an output HDMI 2.0 port on the capture card? I'm confused, help
You still need to run the signal to your computer monitor. If you're passing through the signal. If you're cloning, then you don't need an output run because you already have a separate line to your monitor.
Got it ;) - Gpu HDMI port to input port of the capture card and output port of the capture card to the HDMI port of the monitor. Thank you sir :D I came here because of your Amazon review (i'm planning to do an overkill PC build in the future but still saving and working to get money, this project counts already with 4 years on the making). Also, i checked what type of videos you been making... Turns out that it's software related and that's kinda what i have most difficult in dealing with and understanding. So definitely, i'm subscribing and get with the vibe of this channel.
Can you also use the AVerMedia Live Gamer 4K (GC573) to record something like DNxHR / ProRes @ 4K 10 bit 25/50p? I want to use it mainly for streaming with my GH5 but if it offers that option that'd be great to record my projects directly on my PC. Thanks in advance! 🙂
Great review! I'm very interested in buying this card, but I've heard of audio sync/latency issues on this card whilst streaming. A few reviews saying the Elgato has lower latency. Any experience with this?
Great review - you really inspire me with your quality production of videos and well summarized information, been watching your channel for a while, and still enjoying every video that comes of you, especially on streaming category. Getting straight to the point -> I have streaming PC and gaming PC. 1. Does the pass-trough to monitor work on capture card even when my streaming pc is turned off ? 2. Do i need 10-series nvidia card, for doing 240hz pass-trough, but streaming to 1080p 60fps via OBS ? Thank you EposVox, and keep the inspiring work!
Thanks for the review! This might be my next capture card after the LGP. The free PowerDirector 15 is a pretty lame giveaway. For sure they're giving it away because they can upsell you to get a higher version that supports H265. That is no doubt their one single intention when they partnered with AverMedia. I know this cause I use PowerDirector myself and my paid version supports H265 fine ever since PD 14. That tone mapping feature looks awesome. Now I can finally play 4K HDR and stream it at the same time? Awesome.
How do passthroughs work with high rates on an hdmi port when almost all hdmi ports on the monitors only support 60-75hz ? Typically the DP or DVI only support high frames. Nvidia panel does not let you select higher frames for an hdmi connected monitor unless that particular monitor supports that frame rate on it's hdmi port. Unfortunately for me mine are 165hz and only on DP port. My hdmi connection on the monitor specifically only supports 60hz. It seems that most hdmi ports on monitors only support 60hz from what I can tell. Can you make a video on how this subject works or how these cards allow for higher then 60 passthrough and still allow the monitor itself to somehow get higher then 60 frames on the pass through side ? Thanks
i bought ELGATO GAME CAPTURE 4K60 PRO only to stream LIVE on RUclips from my console ( xbox one , xbox 360 , PS4 PRO , Nintendo Switch ). I don't know what is the best ELGATO 4K Pro or Avermedia 4K. Elgato 4K Pro get big temperature when i stream with OBS studio and after 5-10 min i got frame connection ( is blocking maxim 0.5 sec every time after 5-10 sec ). I think i can fix that from settring to reduce quality. Sorry for my bad english. I learn some only from games. Never on school.
So say I'll be using a 3440x 1440p ultrawide monitor that supports HDR I'll only get 60 fps? I was hoping I could get 144 fps cuz it will have up to 200 hz refresh rate. Great video!
@@Karthig1987 Wow, that didn't last very long. As soon as I purchased it at $199 it went back to $290. Maybe it was a Amazon screw up but I happily lucked out! Here's proof: imgur.com/a/HOxrAlh
Do you recomend NDI for people who uses gsync via displayport and want to have the workload for gaming and recording in separate pcs? And do you know if I split the dp signal, one going to the gsync monitor and the other one being coverted to hdmi and going to elgato, is it going to work? Ty
me again lol, for streaming, i might get into recording/editing but for just streaming, which card do you honestly think is better?? this or 4k60pro. i got 2 pc setup no hdr, playing at 2k144 streamin 1080/60 w/ obs.
I'm in the same position right now except the Elgato 4K60 Pro Mk.2 is out and does HDR. Which one did you go with Avermedia or Elgato? I need advice as which is better.
You mentioned vsync to avoid screen tearing for slowed down recordings. How well would the card work with a variable refresh rate input? Would the varying frame rate with free sync or gsync also avoid screen tearing in the capture? Also how does editing programs handling a varying frame rate file?
Hello again, is there any driver hack to make this card detected as capture device in premiere pro cc ? I don't like Rec Central bitrate, and don't like OBS codecs and options, also seems there is audio problems only 48khz, nor 96 or more.
Was waiting for this since the unboxing as well lol I have it ordered just waiting on amazon ....probably gonna donate my 4K pro once I get my channel up
Is it a good idea to use this with a Sony A6400 for livestreaming lectures using OBS? Can I use RECentral and OBS at the same time, because OBS can't multi-stream?
No modern gaming capture cards have their own encoder chips, and streaming or using with third-party software can't use such encoders anyway. With OBS configuration you can stream in 1080 and record 4k at same time, yes.
@@EposVox thank u. ok got it. that means it will use the CPU and GPU for encoding. I like the elgato HD60pro with the encoder. I can still use my computer while I stream and record at the same time. I think this would be impossible with the new streaming cards without an encoder right?
Most people still use their computer while doing those things, lol. The HD60 Pro's "encoder" only benefits direct recording in the Elgato GCHD software. It doesn't do anything for streaming and isn't active at all while using OBS or third-party streaming/recording solutions.
well since my hauppauge v2 bit the dust; i need a new capture device. Was thinking about getting another external device; but now that i have my new PC, a capture card may be better in the long run
idk about your thoughts on the delay. it's really not that noticeable, UNLESS you are looking at both, but even still, it's not terrible. i wouldn't play on it, but its not horrible.
How do you feel after 3 years about the software / hardware bugginess of this card? I'm looking to purchase a capture card for an Xbox Series S for a game that will run at 1440p60 max, and I'm unsure on what to choose between this and the 4K60 Pro. In my experience Elgato's software and hardware has been more reliable but I really want the 4:4:4 of the Avermedia, so I'm undecided.
I own 4 and have had minimal issues other than lack of Linux support and love them. I will add that Elgato have since added 444 support to the 4k60 Pro mk2 in a firmware update last year
@@EposVox Thank you, I guess I'll see what I can find for cheaper with a slight bias toward the Elgato just because I'm used to their software. Keep up the good work!
@@EposVox Hi, I ended up getting a used 4K60 Pro. The card works fine, but unfortunately my monitor shows a black screen when I set the console to 1440p. I'm using an OG Acer X34, and my guess is that the reason it's not working is that the monitor doesn't advertise 1440p60 over HDMI. If I connect my PC via HDMI and I create a custom 1440p 60 Hz resolution it's displayed correctly. Do you happen to know any easy workaround or I will have to buy a new monitor? I tried using an EDID spoofer but it made no difference. What's weird is that on the console you can override the automatic settings - which to me is similar to creating a custom resolution on PC - and yet the monitor still doesn't complete the handshake.
Twitch is gonna start supporting 1440p and 120fps streams sooner or later, so I started to look at my options. So it's between Avermedia 4k and Elgato 4k pro I guess... Both can do 1440p 120fps to OBS and then streamed out? (4k will not be supported in Twitch as far as I know)
Does this have some sort of heat sink or active cooling? After watching Gamer's Nexus' review of the Elgato 4k60 pro I'm concerned for long term reliability of these capture cards, the 4k60 pro has no significant heat sink or any fan inside so when it's placed under a graphics card it is subject to a ton of heat without an efficient way of dissipating it.
I bought one of these and installed it into my streaming PC but I can't get sound from my gaming PC & USB headset with built in mic. How do you get the audio to the Avermedia GC573?
I can't say that Linus was wrong, the last TV I had, had so much input lag that it was virtually impossible to play on it, I means like 300ms input lag, with this in mind even my old USB 2.0 capture card has better latency. I also think that the review from gamers nexus was a bit underwhelming but the "overheating" is a real one, yes, it won't shut down because of heat, but high temperatures reduce the lifespan significantly.
So after this I have a question... I just want a card like this to get rid of screen tearing on my 2 PC streaming setup. Does this card offer that? I know you specifically mentioned about this in one of your 4k60 vids.
cloning displays can introduce screen tearing on secondary output even if you use vsync on source... you use the passthrough or a splitter to solve this problem - so yes.
If I want the 4kHDR to passthru from my PS4 Pro to my 4k tv so I can truly enjoy the games I have AND broadcast (downscale) in 1080 through OBS on Twitch, will this be the best option for me?
Great video very detailed! One question if you have time. I just upgraded to the Xbox one X and I am looking to now upgrade to a monitor to use the new capabilities it has versus my original Xbox one. However my issue has been finding a capture card that will allow me to play at 4k/60 or 2k/120. I currently play and stream at 1080/60. I am fine with this still being my stream numbers but I do want to view the higher resolutions and frame rates(barring support from games). I am unsure of what exactly bypassing is, does this card have the capabilities to do that and even more on the streaming end if desired? This may be overkill for most as far as a console is concerned but than again whats wrong with that!
Well there are not singular monitors that do both 4k60 and 1080p120, so not sure what your plan is there - but this card will let you do that. 1080p120 from PC and 4k60 from Xbox, if desired. Just need monitors capable of that.
any way to plug 4x capture cards into 1 pc to display 4x 1080p screens on a 4k tv (like splitscreen) at the same time, with as little input lag as possible. would 4x of these boxes connected to a pc work?
I have the lgp lite avermedia card and i was wondering if you know why i cant record game audio when i use the card with a monitor without speakers built in
I have the Elgato HD Pro in my stream pc. Would this work in my stream pc streaming and recording 1080p 30fps SDR and pass through 4k HDR without having a graphics card? my stream machine uses built in Intel video card. Im only using card to capture to OBS. I just want a 4k HDR pass I do have dedicated Gaming Rig and Xbox
I’m a bit confused about OBS / SLOBS HDR to SDR Tone Mapping? Does the card itself tonemap 4K HDR to SDR for streaming or do I need to setup custom LUT /tone mapping in the streaming/capture software.
That's great - and it would make it the first consumer-grade card capable of that - i find that if you compromise the color information already before you start encoding... even if it is NV12 output afterwards, you still end up with worse looking image, its just probably less noticeable on higher resolution capture, RGB capture essentially looks as good as game cap in single pc!
@@janiss2926 This is definitely an important feature to me, and I'm strongly considering trying out this card just for RGB capture with the OSSC. I can still make do with certain OSSC modes, but I'd like to do keep the capture chain as straightforward as possible. Forget RGB LEDs, this is what I need!
I am thinking about getting one of these, I have an Elgato 4k60 Pro but getting 1080p144hz to work with passthough is just not working no matter what I do. It is soon going in the bin. Sorry I am just frustrated. Any chance anybody knows if this works ok with this card? Without having to clone the screen and stuff.
So I got the Elgato Cam Link so I could use my Samsung NX1 as a webcam, and it connects fine, it works, but I had forgotten to check my camera for clean out, which it has, but only for UHD and 4K (Silly Samsung). I wonder if this is then the best option to use it as cam with, or if there are other USB3 devices out there that are around the same or lower price. Is there anything that pops to mind that you'd recommend?
Would anyone know why my card doesn't show any video signal? I got the cords right, installed the correct drivers and my computer can handle the card. Not sure what's wrong
Hi, nice review. Can you express why avermedia live gamer 4k pcie seems to disable sata6g when installed in pcie x4 slot. I don't really understand this subject but wondered why the bios defaults to give the message as follows: "if a device is detected in the pcie x4, pcie will be enabled and sata6G_78 will be disabled". Perhaps I may be better off to install in x16 slot ? I don't really understand the message if you could comment on it would be great. Thanks
The frame rate has me sold......... That means no BS display duplication like you have to do with Elgato HD60 Pro or 4k 60 pro (EDIT: Actually never mind. I will just wait for the next Elgato. I dont like the software or the video formats. Still a good vid though :) lol)
I’ve been looking at this card for a while. Seems too good to be true. For being £90 more expensive, is there any real notable advantage to raw quality for the 4K60 Pro?
My english is bad, and I do not understand some things. With this card is possible send HDR signal to my TV and SDR signal to OBS at once? It have built in HDR to SDR tone mapping? I want play in HDR and stream in SDR, but OBS still not support it.
Nice video, so full of information! What about the minimum requirement "gtx 1060"? Will the 3gb Version with 1152 CUDA Cores be enough for 1080p240fps? Or we need the 6gb Version? I tried to ask avermedia support 48 hrs ago (both on Twitter and through their site), I received no answer :(
I'm honestly not certain. In theory the 3GB might be okay since it's more about the Nvenc chip/capabilities, which *in theory* should be the same as the 6GB model. But I can't find any conclusive answer as to whether they have the same Nvenc capabilities.
EposVox thanks :) I don't have any 1060 atm, I don't like the idea of spending ~330 € for the 6gb version, since it's a 2016 card :/ I'll wait avermedia's support answer. Compared to elgato's they are pretty nonexistent.
Yes it seems so. And btw I've asked some more questions about using passthrough Vs duplicate screen, they've forwarded the questions to the tech team and will let me know asap. Nice support after all!
It literally just released on Monday lol. Ran into a huge amount of issues w/ the Ultra, they're sending me a replacement unit to see if it resolves my issues - so the review is delayed for now.
NOTE: Elgato 4K60 Pro CAN record 240/144fps in OBS/XSplit, just no the 4K Capture Utility. I mis-spoke, sorta.
Thoughts on the timecode progress bars?
TIMECODES:
01:14 Disclosures
01:35 Specs
04:24 What's in the box?
05:16 Capturing Footage
06:48 HDR
09:51 Encoder Problems
11:59 RECentral in 2018
12:56 High Frame Rate
14:03 RGB
14:53 PCB & Heatsink
15:34 Conclusion
Good video! I have tried with my Elgato 4K 60 Pro, but it just duplicated frames not real 240 fps (valid frames only 60 fps). Could you share how to record real 240 fps? It will be good information. Thank you!
Nice video. How about linux? I only use OBS anyway and I don't really care about HDR. But does it even work?
I want to thank you EposVox because I watched your videos and decided to purchase the Avermedia Live HD gamer 2 I think its called. now my recordings and streams are really good. I don't think I will upgrade to the 4k capture card yet. Because even though my processor can handle it my graphics card cannot. But either way thank you.
@Christian no Linux support from what I can tell.
@soulcrazyj1 hope you enjoy it!
Is this an actual encoder card or just and interface card? i didnt really hear you talk about if the card actually encodes the data to be written to the disk. Or does it just pass through the stream to the cpu so the cpu does the encoding?
Just got this card on your recommendation after non-stop headaches with the Elgato 4K60 PRO. What a difference! It actually works with 144hz with zero problems and passes through the audio as it should. Great!
Do u real like it I have the el gato internal for the PC but I'm having problems with it I'm thinking about getting a 4K capture card
Previously purchased Elgato 4K 60 Pro but was really unsatisfied how it produced fake duplicated frame rate to get 240p, I've already sold it and bought Live Gamer 4K (GC573) I'm blown away by the design and quality of this card. The software RECentral 4 is also excellent. You did a great review, however I also missed the mention about the DTS pass-thru support.
Great review - definitely appreciate the OBS/Xsplit configuration details
Thanks! :)
can u make an update on this for 2024? or what you thinks better after so many years? thanks link me also please
Great video. Thank you. I couldn't find settings to turn the rgb and hdcp off. This was a huge help.
This review is precise and in-depth I really like it. Gave me a clear indication on how RECentral as a tool works and how good it's now I had the same issue with it before a while back same goes for Elgatos tools they just didn't seem grasping the concept of livestreaming and still lacked behind in core features and quality. Having the option to record in 4K / HDR content is great though probably only be done by the 0.1%. Though it's fair to say for a 300$ extension card / capture card you really don't want anything to nag about. I defintly thought about buying a capture card as it's a hobby of mine, I streamed for a whole month each day with my own settings on a un-optimal internet connection. And I hated it when my material looked like smth. straight outta the dumpster when I compiled it into a video for my channel. Now that I have a decent connection, I feel confident enough to put in some more money and buy myself a capture card with which I'm capable of stream in 1080p / 60 FPS and record 1440p / 144 FPS content in H.264 / HEVC.
I'm a idiot. I only just realized if I buy this I'll loose the option to use FreeSync on my monitor as FreeSync needs DisplayPort Adaptive-Sync. And HDMI only supports variable FPS with the newly announced HDMI 2.1 standard. So I'm pretty much SOL when it comes to gaming and capturing FreeSync gameplay with a capture card.
Loved the new timecode bit. That was an interesting little twist. Great review.
Thanks!
Epos, i need help trying to get 3440x1440 working from game pc to stream pc with this capture card
I just want to say thank you for this video, I am so happy I upgraded from the HD60S.
Hey EposVox, mind sharing which HDMI splitter you used to send another signal to your monitor?
(Or is the included pass-through good enough?)
Silly extra question: If you stream from RECentral, can you stream with a HDR signal somehow?
For my monitor I just used the passthrough, it works fine enough for me.
But I do use this Monoprice splitter to send the system to my TV and to a 30ft HDMI 2.0 cable over to my system for the capture card www.monoprice.com/product?c_id=101&cp_id=10113&cs_id=1011307&p_id=21613&seq=1&format=2
EposVox Thanks!
I have a Alienware Aurora R7, i7, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080.
I also have a PS4 Pro, and I've been wanting to really test my computer out, but I wasn't sure if I should get something simple, or go all out. Because it would be my first capture card, and first time streaming. But, you my friend have convinced me, if I find a good special this holiday season I'll grab it. ^^
I wasn't super interested until you said it was 300$...errr.. I want one.
xD
Lmao I feel u
It's cheaper than Elgato and better, it's great deal actually.
$239 now on Amazon.
RIP Elgato 4K 60 Pro, this capture card is a low key game changer. Looking forward to your Live Gamer Ultra 4K review👌🏿
Thanks for watching!
I think elgato could just reduce the cost of the 4k60 pro cost down to $300 and they added hdr support. Competition in the market is a good thing. Elgato finally has some company competing now.
Moultonlava Gaming so true especially when it comes to good competition as well
Lover Of Tech yea usually it mean innovation will happen within the market and thing will get better. Personally I’ve been eyeballing a 4k capture because I play lots of games on Xbox one x and want to stream it too. I only have an elgato hd60 currently so that creates a problem cause I still want my display to be in 4k.
Moultonlava Gaming 4K is awesome and if you have the upload bandwidth it’s so worth doing it. I wanna see the Live Gamer Ultra review
subbed! concise, audio on the right level, clear voice and thorough knowledge of the subject matter. Do you have a website with written reviews?
Thanks!! I do not currently, working on getting it set back up
Thank you! Avermedia or Elgato for 4k RUclips live streaming in OBS Studio? And what optimal bitrate? Now I use 1080p30 15 Mbps.
I just bit the bullet and I am never going back to the elgato 4k pro. Seriously...this card is amazing. Little to no setup, instead of using Elgato's Sound capture, I use voicemeeter banana to send the audio to both my gaming headset AND the capture card, basically doing the same job.
Now, this card doesn't drop frames when recording like the elgato did. Which is amazing, I don't know why I didn't buy this card earlier. ALSO, btw, there's a noticeable reduction in video delay in OBS.
Does this support Multi channel audio passthrough (5.1/7.1/DD/DTS etc)?, so i can leave my consoles audio settings as 5.1 and the AVerMedia will downmix all the audio channels to stereo on the output capture file??
Nice summary on this card. Just picked it up myself, and I'm rather impressed and content with it. I don't find the latency on the preview all that bad though really. I wouldn't wanna do shooters on it or anything, but I think it's fine for slower adventure games, or RPGs or such.
In any case, I would recommend this card to anyone who is on the fence. Aside from getting a bum card which is faulty, there's not much to "dislike" with this one. Avermedia has done pretty good in this model.
Hey EposVox quick question if I have this motherboard will it work? First off I love your videos you rock!!! Should meet the pci requirement with a GIGABYTE Z370 AORUS Gaming board?
Yep, should work fine
What kind of latency do you feel this adds in the live preview out of interest?
I'd be primarily interested in using such a card for viewing a Windows virtual machine with graphics passthrough inside a Linux environment for gaming and similar purposes, though I'm a fairly causal gamer.
However, I tried a monitor with high input latency recently and boy oh boy did I notice it. It was bad enough that you noticed a delay when you were doing something as simple as typing...
Hey! Thanks for all your videos on OBS and streaming, they've been a great resource. I have a question: what kind of ballpark specs do you need for a dedicated streaming PC running the Elgato 4k and OBS? I'm thinking a 4k OBS canvas, a Open-VR 4k-ish source, 2 webcams and a few filters and overlays, all output to 1080p60 on Twitch. If I use on-board graphics and cpu-based encoding, what kind of CPU do I need? Or should I go for NVENC to balance the load on the system - if so what cpu+gpu combo would you recommend? Many thanks! /Kris
Amazing review! Im looking to upgrade my old gaming capture card (HDPVR Gaming edition 2, i know its old...) I was looking for a 4k Capture card and this one fits the profile but I have some questions...
If I want to record 4k gameplay from my PS4 Pro what do I need? I need a 4k Monitor for my PS4 Pro and a 4k Monitor for my PC? I always had this question... It is essentially a 4k monitor for my PS4 Pro so I can record in 4k60Fps, with this caoture device, right?
You don't really NEED a 4K PC monitor. You just need a 4K screen for your PS4 and a 4K capture card.
Would I be able to record 4k60 HDR if my GPU is a 980 Ti or is a 10X0 level GPU required? I saw the recommended minimum is a 1060, which for gaming my 980Ti would outperform, but I'm wondering if there is maybe HEVC hardware on the newer cards mine doesn't have.
The 980ti doesn't have the hardware HEVC decoding/encoding required, so I'm not sure it'd work unfortunately
EposVox ah, I figured it had to be something like that. Thanks for replying!
So after searching web and your great advice, I've decided to buy this capture card. Thanks for video, very helpful.
Thanks Adam for, as always, such a detai and dynamic review. What i like the most of the review was the comment no issues with OBS =)
Btw, did i just see a Magewell Pro Capture HDMI 4K Plus LT? Are you reviewing it?
Indeed! I've had it for a few months, just been trying to tackle this HDR nonsense. Review following the AVerMedia cards!
I still feel HDR is something that needs to be work out, specially for PC gaming and recording, not a big deal to me atm, i feel newer generations will be better. But im very interested on your review of the Magewell Pro Capture HDMI 4K Plus LT, specially since 4k60Pro bitrate restricted to 140 Mbps, to what i heard on your video the AVerMedia Live Gamer 4K is limited to 240 Mbps, to what i have read the Magewell Pro Capture HDMI 4K Plus LT can reach between 400-500 Mbps.
Also would like to know if the fan on the Magewell Pro Capture HDMI 4K Plus LT is inaudible? the before none LT model had a very noisy fan.
Well those limitations for the Elgato/AVerMedia cards are only in the supplied apps. Via OBS you have completely uncompressed access and can record any bitrate - usually more than any storage device can sustain. The same would apply to the Magewell card. It's all uncompressed access, so the bitrate is whatever you want it to be.
I've never heard the fan from the Magewell. Will try to observe that more closely before I finish review.
Hi if I buy this, will it work with my MacBook pro?
2.2 GHz 6-Core Intel Core i7
16 GB 2400 MHz DDR4
Radeon Pro 555X 4 GB
Intel UHD Graphics 630 1536 MB
and HDMI to usb-c
I've been waiting on this video since you did the unboxing. I'm glad you were about to finally encode and upload it lol.
it only took all day!
Man your video production quality is immaculate..
Well thank you!! :)
Hey man it was great review. If you are still in process of reviewing AVerMedia Live Gamer ULTRA could you please if possible test it with laptops? those kind of cards many times are used by people who take them to gaming events and use laptops to record. I wonder how well this card would work with different processors. Can something like 6700HQ handle it? or maybe 7700HQ or higher would be needed. Cheers.
Good video overall. A few things: 1) ProRes files are never lossless, as you say. They're classified as 'lossy' (still great, though). 2) Davinci Resolve free version doesn't import HEVC, but the $300 'Studio' version does. 3) It's curious that the HEVC files produced by ReCentral and Live Gamer 4K are not in log format (i.e. the greyish, washed-out look characteristic of HDR video when played back on SDR display. Which - unless I misunderstood what you were saying up to and around the 9:53 mark - begs the question, are the captured files recognized by RUclips as HDR. I've uploaded many HEVC Main 10 files with HDR metadata. RUclips always announces that an HDR video is being uploaded when I do so, and it creates an SDR version as well. I hope that I just misunderstood what you said, and that this device/software isn't just recording HDR gameplay into a standard-gamma (non-log) format that just greatly resembles the original HDR feed without constituting a true HDR file (with or without metadata - that can always be 'injected' with various utilities).
1 - It's "visually lossless" with generational loss being negligible, but not *technically* lossless. But close enough.
2 - That's bizarre. They don't make that obvious nor list that as one of the paid benefits.
3 - MediaInfo says the files are 10-bit, 2020 color space so that's about as far as I can get with determining if "real HDR." I imagine it's possibly not as accurate as other methods, but I'm really not sure.
1) You didn't say "visually lossless", you said "lossless," so I just corrected that statement. Besides, base ProRes is slightly visually lossy and more compressed than, say HQ, 4444 and up. It's still my favorite codec. 2) No surprise. Blackmagic Design is a shitty company that currently doesn't have a supported release (i.e. non-beta) version of their $300 Davinci Resolve Studio (for which many people paid $1000 before they slashed the price to squirm out of support responsibility). That is, the only version of Studio still getting updates is "15 beta". Resolve 14 stopped getting updates a while back, even though there are still several widely-acknowledged, major issues. Instead of continuing to update 14 until it was suitably stable, they just released "15 beta" with a whole slew of new bugs, and gave it new features to justify taking their time with problems that carried over from 14. That said, I can assure you most HDR-compliant (Main 10 profile) HEVC files import fine. 3) If Mediainfo reports bt.2020 color primaries then it's likely real HDR, though it won't yet trigger HDR mode on TVs or on RUclips unless it also has ST.2084 transfer characteristics and BT. 2020 non-constant matrix coefficients, AFAIK (However, one can always use a metadata tool to add the other metadata, or as a last resort, import the file into Hybrid and re-export with that metadata, as Mystery Box describes on this webpage (they did a very famous RUclips HDR video, "The World in HDR"): www.mysterybox.us/blog/2016/10/27/hdr-video-part-5-grading-mastering-and-delivering-hdr
Just checked on my TV and the raw HEVC upload does get detected as actual HDR on RUclips.
That's good to know. I'm also interested to know whether the default 150Mbps files play on HDR TV's and other devices with HEVC Main 10 decoders. I plan to download one of the videos you linked and try it on my TV (2016 Sony XBR43x800d) via USB drive when I get a chance. I ordered Live Gamer 4K a couple of days ago (it's on the way) but may end up returning it unopened if I find out that my 5930K CPU won't be sufficient for even the 150Mbps NVenc option via my 2016 Titan X Pascal. Avermedia's specs do say "i5-6xxxx and up" AND Nvidia 1060 GPU and up, but I'm hoping that's an 'OR' if one plans on using only NVenc.
Which should I buy, the Avermedia Live Gamer 4K or Elgato 4K60 Pro Mk.2?
Insane review, I'm going to overview this card.
And possibly get lil info from your test?
Well done ☺ But a question poped up for me about the connectivity:
- To record, you need to connect a HDMI 2.0 cable, thta should connect on the HDMI port of a GPU to the input HDMI 2.0 port of the capture card and... that's it? I think it's all you need to record without any problems... Why would you need an output HDMI 2.0 port on the capture card? I'm confused, help
You still need to run the signal to your computer monitor. If you're passing through the signal. If you're cloning, then you don't need an output run because you already have a separate line to your monitor.
Got it ;) - Gpu HDMI port to input port of the capture card and output port of the capture card to the HDMI port of the monitor.
Thank you sir :D I came here because of your Amazon review (i'm planning to do an overkill PC build in the future but still saving and working to get money, this project counts already with 4 years on the making).
Also, i checked what type of videos you been making... Turns out that it's software related and that's kinda what i have most difficult in dealing with and understanding. So definitely, i'm subscribing and get with the vibe of this channel.
Well thank you, and thanks for coming over from Amazon!
it says on their website that a gtx 1060 for minimum on the gpu but can a 980ti work?
Can you also use the AVerMedia Live Gamer 4K (GC573) to record something like DNxHR / ProRes @ 4K 10 bit 25/50p? I want to use it mainly for streaming with my GH5 but if it offers that option that'd be great to record my projects directly on my PC. Thanks in advance! 🙂
I just realized you're probably my favorite tech RUclipsr, brother.
xD Well thanks man. Hope all is well!
Great review! I'm very interested in buying this card, but I've heard of audio sync/latency issues on this card whilst streaming. A few reviews saying the Elgato has lower latency. Any experience with this?
Hello DRAX GAMING,
Thanks for interest in our product. You can see GC573 latency test as below:
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-DS.
Great review - you really inspire me with your quality production of videos and well summarized information, been watching your channel for a while, and still enjoying every video that comes of you, especially on streaming category.
Getting straight to the point -> I have streaming PC and gaming PC.
1. Does the pass-trough to monitor work on capture card even when my streaming pc is turned off ?
2. Do i need 10-series nvidia card, for doing 240hz pass-trough, but streaming to 1080p 60fps via OBS ?
Thank you EposVox, and keep the inspiring work!
1 - unfortunately, no
2 - You might be able to get away with 9 series for that, but really you'd likely want 10-series.
@@EposVox Thank you for information! Cheers!
Thanks for the review! This might be my next capture card after the LGP.
The free PowerDirector 15 is a pretty lame giveaway. For sure they're giving it away because they can upsell you to get a higher version that supports H265. That is no doubt their one single intention when they partnered with AverMedia.
I know this cause I use PowerDirector myself and my paid version supports H265 fine ever since PD 14.
That tone mapping feature looks awesome. Now I can finally play 4K HDR and stream it at the same time? Awesome.
Yeah I was very disappointed in that software bundle.
I'm early and hooked.
EDIT: First time I've been loved and replied to by the youtuber.
HYPE
How do passthroughs work with high rates on an hdmi port when almost all hdmi ports on the monitors only support 60-75hz ? Typically the DP or DVI only support high frames. Nvidia panel does not let you select higher frames for an hdmi connected monitor unless that particular monitor supports that frame rate on it's hdmi port. Unfortunately for me mine are 165hz and only on DP port. My hdmi connection on the monitor specifically only supports 60hz. It seems that most hdmi ports on monitors only support 60hz from what I can tell. Can you make a video on how this subject works or how these cards allow for higher then 60 passthrough and still allow the monitor itself to somehow get higher then 60 frames on the pass through side ?
Thanks
Question - I can't seem to find this anywhere. Do you know if this would work with a Vega card?
It looks like for above 1080p60 they require Nvidia. But I'd reach out to AVerMedia Support to be sure
i bought ELGATO GAME CAPTURE 4K60 PRO only to stream LIVE on RUclips from my console ( xbox one , xbox 360 , PS4 PRO , Nintendo Switch ). I don't know what is the best ELGATO 4K Pro or Avermedia 4K. Elgato 4K Pro get big temperature when i stream with OBS studio and after 5-10 min i got frame connection ( is blocking maxim 0.5 sec every time after 5-10 sec ). I think i can fix that from settring to reduce quality. Sorry for my bad english. I learn some only from games. Never on school.
So say I'll be using a 3440x 1440p ultrawide monitor that supports HDR I'll only get 60 fps? I was hoping I could get 144 fps cuz it will have up to 200 hz refresh rate. Great video!
Might be a stupid question, but do you know if the pass through allows FreeSync (such as that from an Xbox One X)?
HEADS UP: The card is currently at $199.99 on Amazon. Not sure how long it would last, but I would pick it up before the price jumps back to $299!
Sadly it's back up there again. Or maybe based on my ip it doesnt show i have no idea.
@@Karthig1987 Wow, that didn't last very long. As soon as I purchased it at $199 it went back to $290. Maybe it was a Amazon screw up but I happily lucked out! Here's proof: imgur.com/a/HOxrAlh
@@sternkrieger1950 i was able to get it for $212 plus sales tax which add it up to $230 i hate sales tax -_-
Does this card give you an audio output to a windows audio playback- or recording device, like the Elgato HD60S?
Do you recomend NDI for people who uses gsync via displayport and want to have the workload for gaming and recording in separate pcs?
And do you know if I split the dp signal, one going to the gsync monitor and the other one being coverted to hdmi and going to elgato, is it going to work? Ty
BTW, how's the latency compare with 4K60 Pro? I found 4K60 Pro is very playable at preview and great enough for me to play PS4 Pro on PC
me again lol, for streaming, i might get into recording/editing but for just streaming, which card do you honestly think is better?? this or 4k60pro. i got 2 pc setup no hdr, playing at 2k144 streamin 1080/60 w/ obs.
I'm in the same position right now except the Elgato 4K60 Pro Mk.2 is out and does HDR. Which one did you go with Avermedia or Elgato? I need advice as which is better.
@@beachyblondieboo What did you end up choosing?
You mentioned vsync to avoid screen tearing for slowed down recordings. How well would the card work with a variable refresh rate input? Would the varying frame rate with free sync or gsync also avoid screen tearing in the capture? Also how does editing programs handling a varying frame rate file?
There are currently no capture cards capable of accepting Variable Refresh Rate input. It either has no effect at all or the signal isn't accepted.
Hello again, is there any driver hack to make this card detected as capture device in premiere pro cc ? I don't like Rec Central bitrate, and don't like OBS codecs and options, also seems there is audio problems only 48khz, nor 96 or more.
How is the Magewell Pro Capture HDMI 4K Plus Video Capture Card? Can you review this card please?
Was waiting for this since the unboxing as well lol I have it ordered just waiting on amazon ....probably gonna donate my 4K pro once I get my channel up
Enjoy!
Thanks EposVox, got this one to capture some console gaming. Looks like a better buy than the Elgato option.
Is the card still worth buying in 2020 or should I wait for a new version? My old Blackmagic Intensity Pro died yesterday.
Is it a good idea to use this with a Sony A6400 for livestreaming lectures using OBS? Can I use RECentral and OBS at the same time, because OBS can't multi-stream?
@EposVox is it possible to stream in 1080p and record in 4k at the same time? does the card have an own encoder?
No modern gaming capture cards have their own encoder chips, and streaming or using with third-party software can't use such encoders anyway.
With OBS configuration you can stream in 1080 and record 4k at same time, yes.
@@EposVox thank u. ok got it. that means it will use the CPU and GPU for encoding. I like the elgato HD60pro with the encoder. I can still use my computer while I stream and record at the same time. I think this would be impossible with the new streaming cards without an encoder right?
Most people still use their computer while doing those things, lol. The HD60 Pro's "encoder" only benefits direct recording in the Elgato GCHD software. It doesn't do anything for streaming and isn't active at all while using OBS or third-party streaming/recording solutions.
well since my hauppauge v2 bit the dust; i need a new capture device. Was thinking about getting another external device; but now that i have my new PC, a capture card may be better in the long run
idk about your thoughts on the delay. it's really not that noticeable, UNLESS you are looking at both, but even still, it's not terrible. i wouldn't play on it, but its not horrible.
How do you feel after 3 years about the software / hardware bugginess of this card? I'm looking to purchase a capture card for an Xbox Series S for a game that will run at 1440p60 max, and I'm unsure on what to choose between this and the 4K60 Pro. In my experience Elgato's software and hardware has been more reliable but I really want the 4:4:4 of the Avermedia, so I'm undecided.
I own 4 and have had minimal issues other than lack of Linux support and love them.
I will add that Elgato have since added 444 support to the 4k60 Pro mk2 in a firmware update last year
@@EposVox Thank you, I guess I'll see what I can find for cheaper with a slight bias toward the Elgato just because I'm used to their software. Keep up the good work!
@@EposVox Hi, I ended up getting a used 4K60 Pro. The card works fine, but unfortunately my monitor shows a black screen when I set the console to 1440p. I'm using an OG Acer X34, and my guess is that the reason it's not working is that the monitor doesn't advertise 1440p60 over HDMI. If I connect my PC via HDMI and I create a custom 1440p 60 Hz resolution it's displayed correctly. Do you happen to know any easy workaround or I will have to buy a new monitor? I tried using an EDID spoofer but it made no difference. What's weird is that on the console you can override the automatic settings - which to me is similar to creating a custom resolution on PC - and yet the monitor still doesn't complete the handshake.
Twitch is gonna start supporting 1440p and 120fps streams sooner or later, so I started to look at my options. So it's between Avermedia 4k and Elgato 4k pro I guess... Both can do 1440p 120fps to OBS and then streamed out? (4k will not be supported in Twitch as far as I know)
Both will yes.
@@EposVox sweet! Thank you. I think without your content, I would have been lost.
Glad to help!
Does this have some sort of heat sink or active cooling? After watching Gamer's Nexus' review of the Elgato 4k60 pro I'm concerned for long term reliability of these capture cards, the 4k60 pro has no significant heat sink or any fan inside so when it's placed under a graphics card it is subject to a ton of heat without an efficient way of dissipating it.
Watch the video, I cover this and address GN's hilarious "review"
Thank-you, I'm not quite sure how I missed that.
That's what the timestamps are for :)
I bought one of these and installed it into my streaming PC but I can't get sound from my gaming PC & USB headset with built in mic. How do you get the audio to the Avermedia GC573?
I can't say that Linus was wrong, the last TV I had, had so much input lag that it was virtually impossible to play on it, I means like 300ms input lag, with this in mind even my old USB 2.0 capture card has better latency.
I also think that the review from gamers nexus was a bit underwhelming but the "overheating" is a real one, yes, it won't shut down because of heat, but high temperatures reduce the lifespan significantly.
So after this I have a question... I just want a card like this to get rid of screen tearing on my 2 PC streaming setup. Does this card offer that? I know you specifically mentioned about this in one of your 4k60 vids.
cloning displays can introduce screen tearing on secondary output even if you use vsync on source... you use the passthrough or a splitter to solve this problem - so yes.
If I want the 4kHDR to passthru from my PS4 Pro to my 4k tv so I can truly enjoy the games I have AND broadcast (downscale) in 1080 through OBS on Twitch, will this be the best option for me?
So, I have an i7, but no discreet card yet. Would I still need a GPU for 1080p 60 at least?
Can you do livestream on youtube with a dslr camera like Fuji X-T3 ? it support h.265 and 264?
Yes
Great video very detailed! One question if you have time. I just upgraded to the Xbox one X and I am looking to now upgrade to a monitor to use the new capabilities it has versus my original Xbox one. However my issue has been finding a capture card that will allow me to play at 4k/60 or 2k/120. I currently play and stream at 1080/60. I am fine with this still being my stream numbers but I do want to view the higher resolutions and frame rates(barring support from games). I am unsure of what exactly bypassing is, does this card have the capabilities to do that and even more on the streaming end if desired? This may be overkill for most as far as a console is concerned but than again whats wrong with that!
Well there are not singular monitors that do both 4k60 and 1080p120, so not sure what your plan is there - but this card will let you do that. 1080p120 from PC and 4k60 from Xbox, if desired. Just need monitors capable of that.
EposVox ok thank you very much for the information.
I love the time stamp bars!
Did you ever make more videos on RECentral
any way to plug 4x capture cards into 1 pc to display 4x 1080p screens on a 4k tv (like splitscreen) at the same time, with as little input lag as possible. would 4x of these boxes connected to a pc work?
Nice video mate ! Can we record a 4k hdr input when the output screen on the card is a 1080p screen ? thanks you in advance !
If you mean playing on a 1080p SDR monitor, no, as it won't accept the 4k hdr input.
Oh ok so to beign able to record in 4k hdr the input need to be in 4k HDR and the output monitor too ? Thanks a lot for the answer
I have the lgp lite avermedia card and i was wondering if you know why i cant record game audio when i use the card with a monitor without speakers built in
I have the Elgato HD Pro in my stream pc. Would this work in my stream pc streaming and recording 1080p 30fps SDR and pass through 4k HDR without having a graphics card? my stream machine uses built in Intel video card. Im only using card to capture to OBS. I just want a 4k HDR pass
I do have dedicated Gaming Rig and Xbox
In other videos you show the min specs...
Can you use this with 5700 xt cards? And do 4k 60 hdr
I’m a bit confused about OBS / SLOBS HDR to SDR Tone Mapping? Does the card itself tonemap 4K HDR to SDR for streaming or do I need to setup custom LUT /tone mapping in the streaming/capture software.
Card will do it automatically
the important bit - does it do actual RGB capture in obs? (not their own native software) - do they mention the datarate somwhere?
You can choose RGB as the color format in OBS, so if you have OBS set to RGB and etc. it should stay fine.
That's great - and it would make it the first consumer-grade card capable of that - i find that if you compromise the color information already before you start encoding... even if it is NV12 output afterwards, you still end up with worse looking image, its just probably less noticeable on higher resolution capture, RGB capture essentially looks as good as game cap in single pc!
@@janiss2926 This is definitely an important feature to me, and I'm strongly considering trying out this card just for RGB capture with the OSSC. I can still make do with certain OSSC modes, but I'd like to do keep the capture chain as straightforward as possible. Forget RGB LEDs, this is what I need!
This is such a great price! Can't wait to give this a try.
BTW Amazon has this card on sale for $239.99. $60 off!
4K @60 HDR for $239 is a steal!!!
I am thinking about getting one of these, I have an Elgato 4k60 Pro but getting 1080p144hz to work with passthough is just not working no matter what I do. It is soon going in the bin. Sorry I am just frustrated. Any chance anybody knows if this works ok with this card? Without having to clone the screen and stuff.
So I got the Elgato Cam Link so I could use my Samsung NX1 as a webcam, and it connects fine, it works, but I had forgotten to check my camera for clean out, which it has, but only for UHD and 4K (Silly Samsung). I wonder if this is then the best option to use it as cam with, or if there are other USB3 devices out there that are around the same or lower price. Is there anything that pops to mind that you'd recommend?
If you're just doing 30fps, the Epiphan AV.io 4K, the Live Gamer Extreme 2/Ultra are other USB options. The LG Ultra is UVC
Does this (or any) capture card support 96khz audio?
Would anyone know why my card doesn't show any video signal? I got the cords right, installed the correct drivers and my computer can handle the card. Not sure what's wrong
so which one is better the avermedia or elgato?
Hi, nice review.
Can you express why avermedia live gamer 4k pcie seems to disable sata6g when installed in pcie x4 slot. I don't really understand this subject but wondered why the bios defaults to give the message as follows: "if a device is detected in the pcie x4, pcie will be enabled and sata6G_78 will be disabled". Perhaps I may be better off to install in x16 slot ? I don't really understand the message if you could comment on it would be great. Thanks
That's going to be based on your motherboard, not the card specifically
@@EposVox thanks
I think I missed it did you discuss how capable it is at encoding for livestreaming?
No capture card does the encoding on the capture card itself these days, and none do it ever while using with software like OBS.
The frame rate has me sold......... That means no BS display duplication like you have to do with Elgato HD60 Pro or 4k 60 pro (EDIT: Actually never mind. I will just wait for the next Elgato. I dont like the software or the video formats. Still a good vid though :) lol)
o_O has the same video formats the "next Elgato" would have, lol :P
Can it capture 7.1 5.1 DD DTS from HDMI?
I just ordered mine 🥊🥊
I’ve been looking at this card for a while. Seems too good to be true. For being £90 more expensive, is there any real notable advantage to raw quality for the 4K60 Pro?
Nope, they record the same way
EposVox Wow. Doesn’t it feel like there should be a catch for the AVerMedia? Cheaper, more options... it doesn’t add up 😂
My english is bad, and I do not understand some things. With this card is possible send HDR signal to my TV and SDR signal to OBS at once? It have built in HDR to SDR tone mapping? I want play in HDR and stream in SDR, but OBS still not support it.
Yes! Exactly this!
@@EposVox Thanx for answer!
Nice video, so full of information!
What about the minimum requirement "gtx 1060"? Will the 3gb Version with 1152 CUDA Cores be enough for 1080p240fps? Or we need the 6gb Version?
I tried to ask avermedia support 48 hrs ago (both on Twitter and through their site), I received no answer :(
I'm honestly not certain. In theory the 3GB might be okay since it's more about the Nvenc chip/capabilities, which *in theory* should be the same as the 6GB model. But I can't find any conclusive answer as to whether they have the same Nvenc capabilities.
EposVox thanks :)
I don't have any 1060 atm, I don't like the idea of spending ~330 € for the 6gb version, since it's a 2016 card :/
I'll wait avermedia's support answer. Compared to elgato's they are pretty nonexistent.
Just received an answer via Twitter:
"1060 3GB is enough for 1080p 240 fps, though of course 6gb will not hurt"
Then yeah they have the same Nvenc chip and you're good most likely :)
Yes it seems so. And btw I've asked some more questions about using passthrough Vs duplicate screen, they've forwarded the questions to the tech team and will let me know asap. Nice support after all!
Does this card work well and without screen tearing if i play in 1080p144hz but i want to stream it in 60hz.
So why is no one else done a video on this capture card. What about the AVerMedia Live Gamer ULTRA review?
It literally just released on Monday lol. Ran into a huge amount of issues w/ the Ultra, they're sending me a replacement unit to see if it resolves my issues - so the review is delayed for now.
EposVox sorry to hear that.
So... Did I understand right -
I can pass through HDR to my HDR monitor, and simply record to SDR for streams on twitch and videos on RUclips?
Yep
@@EposVox thanks for answering.
And one more question - does it record HDR in 1080p mode? Or in 4k only?
Thanks
Can I use this for a dual monitor single pc setup?
will this device capture a 1080p game in 4k?