Going from SIM to REAL FPV Drones?
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
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He flies like a man who is not afraid of breaking stuff. I envy him tbh
When you fly nothing but a sim, you're not breaking anything! You have a $600 dollar quad in the air, and you're on a budget, things change!
I don't think he has to worry about that. I doubt he paid for it out of pocket. But awesome opportunity for sure.
@@bergermanfpv - You're right, he doesn't have to worry about it, but many do, is the point! I've often thought, let a company like RR, sponsor a nobody beginner FPV pilot with 3 quads, and unlimited repairs for 2 months, and let's see the progession. When you have no skin in the game, I'm thinking that makes a huge difference.
Because he works for RR and thats probably not his quad 😆
@@3eggerfpv397 that would actually be an awesome idea. You are right I think it would make a world of difference. I still remember my first decent FPV rig, I had a bad crash which broke an arm, smoked a motor and an 4in1 ESC. I was down for a little over a month until I could get back in the air again.
“You wanna fresh pack?.. You’re down to 5.2”
... “I have no idea what that means”
Absolute class quote. 😁
5.2 volts?? How is that possible?
@@SunriseWaterMedia I think the drone is on 4s battery and he meant 15.2 volts.
@@bradleyli5418 That doesn't seem too low for a 4s. I thought 14v was the "land now" voltage for 4s.
@@SunriseWaterMedia It is, but if he’s already on the ground might as well swap it since it’s almost done
@@donovanswift5010 I see. Thanks.
Sims taught me the muscle memory of acro flying that I could apply to a real quad, I would have broken so many props/motors etc. without that valuable sim time.
The original tinyhawk taught me everything I know. I've improved quite a bit since then.
Exactly, it's all about that muscle memory and having the luxury of being able to try and try again, without exploding your quads left right and centre.
@@kwadkrazy6078 I learned how to fly on a tinywhoop as well, but I find that learning in tandem with a sim is even better. The whoop will teach you how to fly the real thing, but it won't teach you how to do a rewind, into an inverted yaw spin, into a rubik's cube, and that's where the sim is very valuable.
@@michaelc5027 True...but I just learned to do those things on a 5 inch. I would say I'm about average as a pilot (more than proficient), and have never touched a sim :)
@@kwadkrazy6078 All the power to you then. I still swear by the sim, saves me from busting up expensive parts, and burning bills.
Sim and real life are so close that in both cases you get to deal with windows crashing!
underrated
Haha! 🤣
underrated comment :D
Huh
💀💀💀💀💀💀
Imagine you have to carry a tv with you all the time you go out fly😂
You defined box goggles my friend lol.
That's why drone backpacks have space for a laptop :D
My buddy and I always joke about bringing a 50” for the back of the SUV 🤣
@@hellbilly_fpv6692 Forget the 50", get a powerfully bright projector and do FPV by looking at an inside wall of a bando :)
Lol
"Is not like a sim go get it " homie thought he will respawn with grabbing the quad lol
Haha yeah xdd
200 hours in sims before my first real flight. It's not a perfect 1 to 1 comparison but it definitely makes your first flights less "scary" and uncertain. If you've played video games you should play sims, then grab a whoop, then build a 5"
I flew the Sim DRL for a few months got really good actually the. Bought one and it's not far off at all. I'm with you. If I did not use a Sim I would be on drone 3 or 4 by now
@@seansharp4629what would you recommend a controller if I plan to do 300 hours minimum on sim first ?
What controller did you use ? And if your were going back then, what controller you should have use for 200 hours?
@@javes2477Radiomaster boxer.
If you play video games you should fly mode 3 and replace your gimbal with analog stick like me 😂😂 😅
Hahahaha, this is cracking me up. “Where is the quad? Is it still out there”. He is addicted to sims.
" We weren't planning on this episode today" after pulling an office chair, monitor, and all the stuff they need to hook up the video to that monitor just in the pickup.
who doesn't have an office chair in their backseat?
@@AarOnCoasters i always have one
Not sure where that is said in the video... but when that is said in youtube videos in general, generally they already had the idea to do it some time later, and for this video release it was going to be something else, or at least filming something else, but that idea fell through at least temporarily for whatever reason, so they decide to do the other thing earlier than intended. Which could still have involved a good bit of planning, earlier than that particular day, or at least early on the same day, but likely it was already in the works and it just came to fruition earlier than intended. Hence, "we weren't planning on this episode today". That doesn't at all mean that it's completely spare of the moment with no time to spare whatsoever. Though.... that still isn't ruled out, either. Having that stuff in the video, doesn't disprove the statement.
Did I delve into this too deeply? ._.
i think he was tlaking about the nintendo shirt u doit
First day in real world and a matty flip is done, that pretty much explains everything.
Your's is the first comment about how good he actually did!! That Matty Flip was sick. I can't do that and I have been flying for two years!!
Man, he is like "I just crashed an 800 dollar thing into a 5000 dollar window, whatevs lololol" xD
😂😂😂
I wonder if they ever worry about posting these videos on youtube?
they have like 10 more
@@jakeh3144 nah, the average hobbyist will pay the price with more restrictions. While they will still find a way to fly....
@@jakeh3144 I'm sure if the window was damaged this video would never have made it to the internet.
Good news for me. I'm the second person in the world with a few dozen hours on a sim and no "real" time. Maybe after a few dozen more hours, I'll have the courage to fly my life savings into a tree. ;-)
I have 72 hours in the sim lol
same but I have a tinyhawk I've been flying around in my room since bad weather + air space restricted where I live. (around 25/30 hours of sim now, I'm planning to build a 150euros (around 170/180 USD I think) drone soon when I get enough cash to also pay for batteries, charger, soldering iron etc).
You can fly as risky or safe as you like. Sure, flippy-floppying close to concrete walls like Steele is fun but it'll quickly cost you an arm and/or a motor. Just cruising around over grass is somewhat boring but it'll train your muscle memory and you can go from there with rolls and flips without much risk of breaking your quad. Just one thing: If your video connection drops out just disarm. Do not try to fly through it, you'll end up crashing your quad with no reference where it went down (except if you have GPS and the battery did not disconnect and you have either telemetry or get video back).
@@Gosuminer is RSSI signal strength + telemetry on the transmitter a valid way of finding the drone back ? xD
I’ve got 80 hours in the sim and no real drone yet...
Wow i really needed this video. I started flying in liftoff a few days ago and got 10 hours in but i was curious to how it compared to the real thing. Thanks for this vid and good luck flying christofer!
Feels like this video was made just for me! I've clocked in a total of 20 hours on liftoff, but I have yet to fly real fpv. I'm still waiting on parts for my first drone, which should arrive tomorrow.
ya me too...they say Christian has 20 hours on the sim...but I'm about 20 too and still can't rip that hard on the sim.
@@matthewbell9119 I know. I was surprised, although I think for me it's mostly because I haven't really practiced much freestyle yet. Liftoff has better gamification for racing, so I've mostly been practicing that, even though I plan to do more freestyle.
Guys, spend the times that you feel is recquiered for yourself, nothing less. If you dont feel confident, just dont go outside... You could of get very bad experiences...
Practice on sims, at least hundreds hours... Cheers.
How's your skills irl today? :)
@@creativeflipp Oh wow. Blast from the past. I can't believe that was only 11 months ago that I started. Seems like I've been doing this hobby for a long time now. I've got some moves.
I remember my first time on the sim. Kept on crashing, and felt amazing when I managed to do a left turn.
So I took my TH2 and was like „Woah this is just like the sim.“ Then I landed in a tree and was looking for the reset button...
I knew I was getting better learning acro in the sim when I stopped having to think about what direction to move my thumbs to move the craft, so when it became automatic I felt properly ready to try it on a real quad.
@@licensetodrive9930 I was not patient enough, especially because I bought the kit, so everything arrived before I could use the controller on the Sim xD
@@licensetodrive9930 i did it all backwoods i learnt to fly los first then acro los then fpv acro i wasnt till i got to the fpv acro i went in the sim but i got there in the end i think its becasue i come from a heli background that los made senice to me first but i dont fly los very often these day but i do love watching the kwad flying around thats why i built that frame you sent me coved in leds for the summer as its getting dark lol
@@Mr18031967 I did some FPV with RC cars some 16 years ago, using big old clunky 1.2ghz VTX/VRX gear & video glasses because Fat Shark didn't even exist then.
5 years ago I bought a couple of Cheerson CX-10's (those tiny line of sight quads) and a CX-20 GPS quad.
Broke so many props learning to fly the CX10's indoors, helped immensely with flying the CX-20, then got HD2 goggles 4 years ago which started my FPV flying journey, which was always my intention from the start of flying quads.
I'm much more comfortable flying FPV than line of sight because distances are easier to judge.
I am a Velocidrone guy. Followed all advices of Mr.Steele blindly after watching his old How to Fpv series. I had a great take off and flying when I had first real life quad flying except the landing part. Simulators truly train us mentally and make us realize what is our stick movements.
I support all the simulators and encourage everyone who like to enter this game of Drones 😊
Would love to get advice. What controller should I buy first if I plan to do 300 hours minimum simulator
@@javes2477 Radio Master Boxer is a good controller. After 300h you have to replace the gimbals. either that or a really cheap controller just for the sim
I pinched like that for 3 years Christian, great to see the sim skills transfer over, I always advocate sim use as great training tool 👍🤘👊
I think that sims are a very important part of learning how to fly. Even with something like Microsoft Flight Sim you could basically teach yourself how to fly a plane so why not Lift Off or Velocidrone to learn to fly FPV.
Learning how to fly slowly and controlled is really important too and is often overlooked ! I feel like he hasn't practised that much and he's always going full send.
i am a beginner and i agree xD
I've been practicing on the sim for ~50 hours and flying slowly was the hardest for me. It is still a challenge tho
@@ficelli4385 Still can't do it on a sim. IRL that part is much easier. The sims might not have modeled the motor spin-up accurately, or all the low passes going on in between.
@@someonespotatohmm9513 I wonder if a part of that is if they've simulated ground effect? Im not even sure if that effects drones or just fixed wing aircraft but I have noticed the same thing in my flights. Its easier to be smooth IRL but the throttle isn't as forgiving.
@@dynamicpaintball It also effects drones, the ground effect is not simulated in the sims and if it is, it is much less noticeable then IRL. But it should't matter once you half a meter up, and throttle is still more responsive on sims there.
Simulators work :) That matty flip man! Awesome
I can imagine his face while he edits all this footage focused on background... Nice video tho!
"It's actually going to take two of these" so true hahaha
Drew is like an older brother, being so helpful and supportive. Love it
Wish i had a brother like him
Do more beginner stuff , thats interesting !
Also great seeing you use the sharkbyte system 🔥
Drew - " They're very durable, it's like dropping your computer out of a tree" hahaha so good
6:00 really made me laugh so hard! HAHAHA! He left it there as if he was in a sim! 🤣
He might've thought someone else went to get it or something
I’m just getting into FPV and I bought a radiomaster tx16s and definitely going to get on the simulator before I fly
wow...super impressed that first time flying and he does power/Matty flips. I'm thinking of all the broken stuff that lead up to me doing my first ones ;(
This was like watching an alien get used to doing human stuff
I really liked this one. Good job guys! This video is pretty old now so I hope he kept real flying and using the TV!
Someone's losing the dji sponsorship lol
lol I thought the same, like Sharkbyte already ? xD
Rotor Riot and Fatshark now have the same parent company, makes sense to me.
AFAIK the DJI deal ended a little while back
@@NarWhat that’s what I thought
Okey, I got really impressed when Christian matty flipped!
I think the main difference between real life and simulator is psychological, as on the sim you're not afraid to crash and break stuff and you don't have to wait to fly again, you just respawn
Simulators is how I also learned to fly UAV’s, from fixed wing to helicopters to drones, my adaptation/acclamation to real world flying was seamless and natural but my real world danger factor needed adjustment, had to learn basic up keep skills and field etiquette though, that was fun. At the air club older pilots wouldn’t believe that’s how I learned to fly because they learned by crashing and fixing. I also took real single engine aircraft flight lessons where I performed better then an average greenhorn. Simulators are the best.
This video was Amazingly effective. Well done.
That acting man at the end was on spot, like "what are you doing step bro?" level of acting :))
When you learn flying in a sim with a screen then it's natural to fly with a screen in real life. You can always plug your googles in to the PC.
Thats a big reason i still use freerider, on my phone, propped up in front of my face. It's very similar to having goggles on.
*Wow!* That's probably one of the best transitions from the flight SIM to real FPV flying I've seen to date. Though, it certainly helps when you have some of the best pilots in the country coaching you and helping with repairs to get you back in the air quickly. Not to take away from his first flight..that was a GREAT first/second FPV flight..nicely done! 👍👍👍 Took me weeks to get back into the air after my first FPV flight/crash because of repair time.
Just 19 hour? Can't believe
Sim Helped me A Lot !! I got no problem doing spilt s for the first time on 5 inch quad
they taught me more about FPV for my next flying..
thank you..
The rotor riot store needs that pole.
I was thinking the same thing.
Golf ball retrieve pole or mr longarm extension
If it wasn't for SIM I think that I might have gotten to discourage to continue with the hobby. It's a must-have tool for anybody that is serious about FPV. And the best thing about crashing and breaking your stuff is learning how to fix it. Thanks for another great video guys.... by the way just so you know, I sooo want to party with you guys. I live in West Pasco so you tell me the place in time and I'll be there.👍👍👍
I still use the sim for practicing new tricks. Once I get the stick movements down I will do it in the field. Not the end all be all but definitely cuts down on my repair costs lol. I use liftoff and the thing that bothers me is the quad physics just don't match
Something new. Something different. Always look forward to your new videos. I'd have never thought of skateboarding behind a drone or moving someone from the sim to real using a monitor.
Damn!!! Christian can rip in the Sim. 🤯
and this wit honly 19hours
@@toom__s I question the 19 hours, but you never know.
So we finally get to meet Christian. A pleasure. The introduction was hilariously understated lol. Don't underestimate what you've done for fpv. I had to fly watching a tv in my shed when I first started due to lack of funds for goggles. And back then freerider was the only option.
sorry for the indiscreet question ...
The telescopic stick you used to get the quadcopter out of the tree - what is it and where can I buy it?
thanks
Duh! Why didn't I think of cutting open the end of my golfball retreiver like Drew did?!?! Best tool I carry in my car at all times :D
My fps buddies told me to come watch this video because "the editor" has my personality.
I don't see it, but he is a nice person.
This is how I have always set up for my friend when him and I fly. He gets motion sick from goggles, so we did the TV aspect and it allowed him to use my quad to fly. It's a great concept to give people options. Though... I will note, I do this same grip... #NoShame.
Sim definitely translate well into real life flying! Going from DCS to Head-Tracked FPV Jet flying is da BOMB!
It's an advertisement for Liftoff, I don't believe he only has 19 hours of liftoff and on his first flight he performs maneuvers in very limited environments, the guy has the gift.
Love it guys. Got my first tinyhawk2 last year. Now have a 5inch and 2.5inch and in ohio to cold to fly now. So i love using my taranis transmitter on liftoff to practice in the winter. Ready for spring. Great video as always guys.
I fly fearless on liftoff, I fly semi-fearless with my dji fpv. I wouldn't have bought the dji fpv if I wasn't gonna try some risky shit in manual mode lol, I have the mavic mini and mavic air 2 for safe shots. Probably gonna buy/build some sort of cinewhoop tho for shits and giggles
I built out a backpack setup with a USB monitor for a friend a couple months ago. He gets motion sickness really bad with goggles. It’s kinda weird to get used to, but I can see why people prefer it.
I'm interested at the pole that you used to get the quad from the tree.. What pole is that?
i loved this!!! well seasoned sim player makes a huge difference
That's his 1st ever physical flight??? He was awesome!
This is a good way to show sim translation because he had no fear of killing whoever's drone that was, normally when you see someone doing this they've at least bought their own quad, and building it, at least to me, I really didn't want to crash my 1st one, but I had no sim either.
Which joystick can you recommend to start fly in flysim? Is a frsky taranis a good choice?
It was tough flight for the first time :) his experience showed me, that simulator really helpful! Gamers totally have an advantage in the real world
does that window he hit have a mark or a scratch? is it broken? has rotor riot had to pay for windows before?
RIGHT LOL
Where did you guys get that pole with hook on it to get drones out of trees
7:38 I specifically searched for a setup like this and this does seem like the happy place
Much respect man! Drew, you’ve got a new addition to your flight team. I’d love to see a video journal of his progress... even if he sticks to the monitor 😁
I’m a new pilot and just discovered liftoff today... it’s freaking awesome. ✌🏼
Look’s fun to fly with a TV setup 😁
jumbotron set up
I tried it with a pocket projector that uses R+G+B lasers (it draws the image like CRTs do and doesn't need focusing), plugged into the output of my goggles, flying my Mobula 6 indoors so I couldn't easily break anything.
It was difficult at first trying to concentrate on the image on the wall with the actual quad mere feet away in my peripheral vision, but after a while I started getting the hang of it. Will have to try it again one day.
I went from liftoff to real quad and it worked great.
But liftoff does have a battery option you can turn on and it does sag. About a minute after I start the sim with the battery option turned on, I can feel the available power beginning to drop ever so slightly. Then after the better voltage drops to a certain point the drone will barely be able to fly.
This video make me think it might be possible to learn to fly FPV for real. I started flying the liftoff simulator a few days ago and I am getting okay with it. But I keep thinking there's no way it's remotely accurate to real life. Apparently I was wrong and I am glad to be wrong.
Hey, nice to see Christian, the artist formerly known as Kitch.
There's an OG
nice video.... I also still fly in the sim way more than real-world flying, still scared of busting up my drones. What I like to do is plug my HDO2s into my computer and use them while playing the sim. That helped me get used to wearing my goggles and what to exspect while flying with them on.
thanks going try this iam 64 but i thing i can do this fpv looks like so much fun went to your store an got the sim!! will b watching more of your stuff ..... thanks
BWAHAHAHAHAHAAA!! @greg womack I agree!! When the quad didn’t magically “return to start point” freaking loved it!! And don’t get me started on the flip in the Dugga dive!!
Just getting started in the hobby. I have a tiny hawk 2 and am learning line of sight. Had to order new goggles as I wear glasses. Really enjoyed the vid.
I have velocidrone and it does help with learning the stick movements but I don't think it feels a thing like the real thing. Maybe I don't have it's settings correct.
Hands down, this is my favorite episode of Rotor Riot!
Where can I get one of those collapsible retrieval sticks you used to get it out of the tree?
So just a though...when they were flying the first few times fully outside the garage....why where they still in and underneath it with their transmitters..?
Liftoff is one of the reasons why I bought a set of goggles(Eachine EV300-O) with an HDMI input. I've never played the SIM on my monitor, which BTW sucks compared to my goggles for picture Quality. Although they are advertised to have 1024 x 768 resolution for FPV, they are 1080p when jacked into your computer. I also customized my Virtual Quad to more closely match my actual Quad which Instantly improved my flying within the Simulator.
This is awesome. I have about sixty hours on three sims (forty on liftoff) and keep getting nervous about flying a real drone (building this winter)
Good to know I’ll be fine.
Where did you buy that extension pole to get the quad out of the tree
What's this extension pole that you used for getting the drone from tree? I love it!
This is one of my favorite Rotor Riot episodes :o)
Where did you get the telescopic pole to retrieve the quad? Need one of those!
Sim should have a mod where you pay for damaged done in the game. 😀Liability is one of those major factors.
I love how not staged that was:
"Oh you want a monitor with it?" - literally pulls out whole PC setup from his trunk
legit clinched seeing that quad head at the building
I have a betafpv advanced starter kit brushed version it wont show fpv signal it's just a black screen
Appreciate this video...I'm currently spending a lot of time in Lift Off.
Hey I'm working on getting my first drone.
I'm curious; what kinda damages did the drone take when he lost control and it flew into the side of the building?
This video was hilarious guys! I'm not a beginner anymore but this was simply entertaining! Great idea!
Subscribed finally found a channel and a video will all the info I need. Somewhere I can get a alll in one fpv drone ready to go. This is awesome thank you
I've flown now about 35 hours in Velocidrone and think I can actually fly in every direction/hight pretty good and can control the drone and can hover as well. Then I bought the Tinyhawk 2 Bundle. I tested it in my living room and it feels that I never have flown one minute before. Is it that difference or can it be the tiny drone?!
Have you flown "apartment" and "house (full tour)"? Those are tight environment maps that simulate real indoor flying pretty well.
And you can change your quad settings with betaflight. You can also play with quad settings in velocidrone
Christian- FPV is just like Navi’s view when she flies in at the beginning of Ocarina of Time 🧚♂️ 🎮
Where do you get the extendable drone retriever pole? That’s something I could use!
Any old hardware store should carry these
Thanks Carl
Yes!!!! Another amazing video with exactly what I asked to see. You guys are on a role with content. Next video tips for finding creativity and flow or anything to benefit my lack luster “freestyle” lol.
Lol. Posted a pic this morning about going outside instead of sim. Good timing!
Great video! Esp. as a beginner that has no intention of beginning until he watched this video :D
I was very taken with the comparison of flying a drone as a gamer and pilot
well drinking a cold beer or a hot cup of coffee while building a drone. that is just as fun as flying in my opinion. I love building drones. selecting parts online and when they finally arrive put the drone together and then take it out for smooth flying. or a hardcore Ripppp. then maybe change some parts you don't like or improve upon it. when it's perfect, then set off to fly it while waiting for parts to arrive for the next crazy build.
If you own the building, it is ok to do this things, you could argue there was no damage made, but what if there was? what if the window got broken would you contact the owner and pay the damage?
8:55 "so much less... Immersed" Laughs in the background XD they always laugh at him when he got the word hh
I frigging love how well equipped you guys go :D