It is difficult to forecast how long it is going to take to Boeing to recover from these catastrophic events. One key factor though, is that Airbus alone cannot manufacture enough planes to satisfy the demand. I am guessing this is what saved Boeing from failing.
The noise aspect cannot be underestimated. Schiphol, KLM's base, has a very big noise problem. It's Europe's fourth busiest airport in terms of passenger numbers. More people fly via Schiphol than via Frankfurt. But the Netherlands is also one of the most densely populated countries in Europe (not _the_ most densely populated, not by a long shot, despite what some Dutch like to think). The government has had a, shall we say, flexible approach towards the noise pollution from Schiphol, because money. But there's a lot of pressure, including court cases, to comply with environmental laws. So the plan was hatched to drastically reduce the number of flights. That's when the Americans chipped in, and told the Dutch in no uncertain terms that this would lead to them losing landing rights in the USA, on the oh so profitable transatlantic route. 50% less noise is a no-brainer.
It's AirFrance/KLM, so that french connection might have played a major role too, but KLM was kind of disappointed with the quality of their 787s too when they got them.
KLM is also transitioning from the Booeing 787 to Airbus A350. Initially, KLM was going to fly the A350 with Air France primarily flying the 787. Then, 787s went to KLM with all A350s going to Air France. Now, KLM will replace the 787 with A350. Air France might continue to fly both. We will all see
The way America treats ASML I'm not at all surprised more and more Dutch companies are avoiding dealing with Americans. Imagine Boeing saying where we can and can't fly.
As a passenger it makes me nervous to fly any 737 given all the safety issues Boeing's had with the newer models over the last several years. I just flew with KLM from Schipoll to Los Angeles on a 787 dreamliner. Very comfortable flight with excellent service.
These changes happen . In fact KLM was never a Boeing airline , it used McDonnell Douglas DC9 , DC8 and DC10s . It was quite a shock when they moved to 737s to replace DC9s . Switching from Boeing is not so huge . In any case , as part of Air France group , Air France already has A320 etc , so no great surprise .
Boeing in 10 years will stop making commercial passenger planes and focus on its military contracts. Opening the door for Lockheed Martin to come back to the passenger plane making business or a new up and commer
Dont forget the huge effect of France and Eu was stabbed in the back by AUKUS on the submarine deals. Air france klm orders came just after as a response.
With the Air France-KLM Group 20% purchase of SAS Group - then it is logical as Air France and Scandinavian Airlines only use the Airbus A320 family in that size group. I am quite sure that the A321neo LR/XLR will decentralize the flight routes especially between Western Europe and Eastern North America. The 737 MAX cannot compete in that market. If you are not on the bandwagon with the long skinny routes, you will lose customers. With the A320 family, it will also be easier to get certified pilots, etc. to the A350, as the Airbus planes have largely identical cockpits, apart from the old A300 and A310. The alignment of the fleet is also found in the subsidiaries. Air France Hop, KLM Cityhopper and SAS Link, which only use Embraer E-Jet family aircrafts.
KLM also had problems with the 787's when they got them newly delivered. Cable issue's, panels sitting lose, some seats were missing some bolts or they weren't mounted correctly and also sitting lose. Boeing as an manufacturer is failing and their quality has declined a lot
Here's why KLM says "GOODBYE" to BOEING 737 and turned to AIRBUS A321neo for the reason. KLM is already boring with BOEING 737 and 787 on this year and turned to AIRBUS A321neo and A350 xwb/ulr for the future. Even Garuda Indonesia, I wanted Indonesian flag carrier/Indonesia's National Airlines says "GOODBYE" to BOEING and turned to AIRBUS for the future.
When discussing sustainability how much of the airframe can recycled at end of economic life Carbon fibre and other composites are not suited to recycling
Please stop using the word "aircrafts." You sound like you don't understand the aviation industry. There is no such word in the English language. Aircraft is both singular and plural.
pure bullshit. KLM is not saying goodbye to the 737 for at least another 2 or 3 decades. it proves extremely profitable in flights around the EU. so what is KLM gonna use a longer range A321neo for? long transatlantic flights? pure bullshit dude. leave that job to the 777 or 787.
All KLM B737s will be replaced within a few years. 100 aircraft have been ordered, a mix of A320s and A321s. The A321s will mainly fly to destinations just outside Europe.
What you are saying is also bullshit!! By 2 or 3 decades from now the 737 would turn 30 years on average, that is if they didn’t get the 737 MAX, with the youngest one delivered to KLM in December 2019 would be around 20 years of age. Of course they need a new plane and they need retirement by the next 5 years or maximum 1 decade only!! fuel efficiency would degrade over time and maintenance cost would increase over time, plane structure would fatigued even if done A-Checks, C-checks, heavy maintenance checks, etc…, so how is keeping the plane for “at least 2 or 3 decades” as you said is profitable?!
And forget A321neos or 737 MAXs or any other narrowbody aircraft flying outside Europe transatlantic, okay fine let 787 do the job but don’t you think their aging 777 also needed replacement for the 777X or A350? For example don’t you think KLM’s orange pride aircraft which was delivered to KLM wayy back in 2008 (16-17 years ago) needed retirement and replacement in the next coming years? Don’t you think KLM needs a newer and much more energy efficient aircraft that can even fly longer distances compared to their predecessors?
@@ramyfares9099 the 737-800 is literally proven to be one of the most fuel efficient and economical airplanes ever made. i’m confident they can last 30 years before retirement. the thing that i find crazy in this video is that they’re trying to act like KLM would retire all 737’s out of their fleet IMMEDIATELY for the A321neo, which would be a completely pointless and actually uneconomical to do. i’m still very sure the 737s in KLM’s fleet can last around 15 years but COME ON, no need to retire them immediately when they’ve only been halfway through the aircraft’s lifespan.
Such a bad video. The A32X Neo is supposed to be the latest and most modern single isle jet? Have theese guys not heard of the A220 or the Comac c919...
In 25 years, Boeing will be similar to Lockheed Martin.
In what way .
Who is Lockheed Martin?
Brother from Steve Martin??
It is difficult to forecast how long it is going to take to Boeing to recover from these catastrophic events. One key factor though, is that Airbus alone cannot manufacture enough planes to satisfy the demand. I am guessing this is what saved Boeing from failing.
@@p6x2 saved from failing???????
2:31 'neo' in the first place stands for 'new engine option', but I'm sure it also coincided nicely with the regular meaning of the word neo.
Interesting factoid. Thank you! :)
Underrated channel ngl, bullshit youtube algorithm video should be up there with DJs aviation. Keep up the good work Aviaat
Thanks! Really glad you're enjoying the videos.
IMO DJs Aviation is a bullshit channel too. A catchy title and 10 min of talking in a loop.
My preference goes to Simple flying
@@SayAnytime me too, simple flying
@@SayAnytime Yea, thats a fair point.
This channel is unbelievably underrated, I love all the info I’m getting on the a321neo and XLR. Definitely subscribing!
Thanks, appreciate that.
The noise aspect cannot be underestimated. Schiphol, KLM's base, has a very big noise problem. It's Europe's fourth busiest airport in terms of passenger numbers. More people fly via Schiphol than via Frankfurt. But the Netherlands is also one of the most densely populated countries in Europe (not _the_ most densely populated, not by a long shot, despite what some Dutch like to think).
The government has had a, shall we say, flexible approach towards the noise pollution from Schiphol, because money. But there's a lot of pressure, including court cases, to comply with environmental laws. So the plan was hatched to drastically reduce the number of flights. That's when the Americans chipped in, and told the Dutch in no uncertain terms that this would lead to them losing landing rights in the USA, on the oh so profitable transatlantic route.
50% less noise is a no-brainer.
It's AirFrance/KLM, so that french connection might have played a major role too, but KLM was kind of disappointed with the quality of their 787s too when they got them.
they were not!
I was here at 300 subs! Great video mate
Very Good video!❤❤ Underated channel i subscribesd! have a great day and keep it up! ❤❤
Thanks you! Glad you enjoyed it!
@@Aviaat1 I think ur cotent is so good u deserve like 1mil subs
You gotta have a lot of guts to say that Boeing has "tackled and solved" their issue's
KLM is also transitioning from the Booeing 787 to Airbus A350. Initially, KLM was going to fly the A350 with Air France primarily flying the 787. Then, 787s went to KLM with all A350s going to Air France. Now, KLM will replace the 787 with A350. Air France might continue to fly both. We will all see
Klm is not replacing the A350 for the 787. The are replacements for the old 777-200 and A 330.
Thank you
@@jeromeprins6164you sorta said that backwards.
J@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183I kinda did , but you got what I was saying😂
@@jeromeprins6164 yes I did. But I had to read it a few times 🤣🤣
For people with adhd: 737 go boom and a320 neo don’t go boom.
what 💀
You think ?
actually,a320 did go boom 2 times in the start of its service.go and research mate.
The french government has a minor stake in both Airbus and Air France-KLM and they choose the Airbus option…I believe that’s not a coincidence.
What the music 0:01
KLM has the last 737-800 ever built however. It was built in 2019. Registration is PH-BCL
what a waste!only 6 years old!most boeings get to 30!
The way America treats ASML I'm not at all surprised more and more Dutch companies are avoiding dealing with Americans. Imagine Boeing saying where we can and can't fly.
As a passenger it makes me nervous to fly any 737 given all the safety issues Boeing's had with the newer models over the last several years. I just flew with KLM from Schipoll to Los Angeles on a 787 dreamliner. Very comfortable flight with excellent service.
Nice video
Thanksss 🙏
The thumbnail really killed me
Clever airline. Bravo!
These changes happen . In fact KLM was never a Boeing airline , it used McDonnell Douglas DC9 , DC8 and DC10s . It was quite a shock when they moved to 737s to replace DC9s . Switching from Boeing is not so huge . In any case , as part of Air France group , Air France already has A320 etc , so no great surprise .
Oh lord. McDongbell Douglas is even worse.
Airbus A320 is more silent compare to B737 Max. I guess A321 also is.
And its doors won't blow out .
@@dewyakana1543and it won’t crash
@@ramyfares9099 or fall apart mid air
@@dewyakana1543 Airbus doors can actually be opened in flight.
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L choice tbh, L KLM, my country's airline just betraying like that imagine.
Why L ?
@@almyor KLM has been a almost full Boeing customer ever since 1920, thats why.
L opinion boeing is just shit
Editorial comment: the plural of "aircraft" is.... "aircraft."
Boeing in 10 years will stop making commercial passenger planes and focus on its military contracts. Opening the door for Lockheed Martin to come back to the passenger plane making business or a new up and commer
L-1011NEO 😍
The military part of Boeing has also a lot of trouble watch to the kc 45 project
Don’t forget the A350
Dont forget the huge effect of France and Eu was stabbed in the back by AUKUS on the submarine deals. Air france klm orders came just after as a response.
With the Air France-KLM Group 20% purchase of SAS Group - then it is logical as Air France and Scandinavian Airlines only use the Airbus A320 family in that size group.
I am quite sure that the A321neo LR/XLR will decentralize the flight routes especially between Western Europe and Eastern North America. The 737 MAX cannot compete in that market. If you are not on the bandwagon with the long skinny routes, you will lose customers. With the A320 family, it will also be easier to get certified pilots, etc. to the A350, as the Airbus planes have largely identical cockpits, apart from the old A300 and A310.
The alignment of the fleet is also found in the subsidiaries. Air France Hop, KLM Cityhopper and SAS Link, which only use Embraer E-Jet family aircrafts.
Well looks like Boeing is going full military now. Let’s see who wins Boeing or Lockheed Martin.
Am listin to tis while Playing gta 5 online 😂😂
KLM also had problems with the 787's when they got them newly delivered.
Cable issue's, panels sitting lose, some seats were missing some bolts or they weren't mounted correctly and also sitting lose. Boeing as an manufacturer is failing and their quality has declined a lot
I swear almost every airline is turning to airbus
fr, L KLM
ryanair thinks youre wrong.
Here's why KLM says "GOODBYE" to BOEING 737 and turned to AIRBUS A321neo for the reason. KLM is already boring with BOEING 737 and 787 on this year and turned to AIRBUS A321neo and A350 xwb/ulr for the future. Even Garuda Indonesia, I wanted Indonesian flag carrier/Indonesia's National Airlines says "GOODBYE" to BOEING and turned to AIRBUS for the future.
Here before you blowup
I think because KLM is scared of lion air flight 610 and flight 302 (not meaning any thin bad just a joke)
The Uthér Grate thingg
it be keeps thé monéy inn Europé Too
Good. I will never fly Boeing's flying coffin airplanes.
How come many airlines like ryanair fly the 737 without issue?
@@Matty12333 because they fly older 737's like the NG which don't have such problems as the newer Boing jets do
@@evo3s75 if that was true,why dont max crash everyday?
Air Canada and WestJet are filling up on the 737. Hence I avoid them where I can. Go
Porter! Not a nasty Boeing in sight.
Bye-bye Boeing! In AirBus I trust.
I don’t trust Airbus on military.
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because they dont like strong boeing aircraft.profits rule.
Well now I guess I won’t be flying KLM anymore
Go on an 737 Max and never come back, fool
bye felicia
I bet theyre real dissapointed that one of there thousabds of daily costumers is refusing to fly.
When discussing sustainability how much of the airframe can recycled at end of economic life
Carbon fibre and other composites are not suited to recycling
1 decision... Air France....
Please stop using the word "aircrafts." You sound like you don't understand the aviation industry. There is no such word in the English language. Aircraft is both singular and plural.
Right, it was a mistake. Already fixed ✈
Poor 737 it doesnt deserve this😭
KLM has merged with Air France recently. They are rationalising their fleet.
Recently?
@@Liams-AviationYT 'only' 20 years ago :)
Let’s be honest 787looks best in klm livery
(Who agrees) also not bagging👇🏻👇🏻👇🏻👇🏻👇🏻
KLM the tax payers airline😂😂😂😂😂
737 are more reliable planes
That isnt the reason klm is switching
Are they? All evidence to the contrary!
Yeah!
pure bullshit. KLM is not saying goodbye to the 737 for at least another 2 or 3 decades. it proves extremely profitable in flights around the EU. so what is KLM gonna use a longer range A321neo for? long transatlantic flights? pure bullshit dude. leave that job to the 777 or 787.
All KLM B737s will be replaced within a few years. 100 aircraft have been ordered, a mix of A320s and A321s. The A321s will mainly fly to destinations just outside Europe.
@@parmentier7457 i call bullshit on all of that
What you are saying is also bullshit!! By 2 or 3 decades from now the 737 would turn 30 years on average, that is if they didn’t get the 737 MAX, with the youngest one delivered to KLM in December 2019 would be around 20 years of age. Of course they need a new plane and they need retirement by the next 5 years or maximum 1 decade only!! fuel efficiency would degrade over time and maintenance cost would increase over time, plane structure would fatigued even if done A-Checks, C-checks, heavy maintenance checks, etc…, so how is keeping the plane for “at least 2 or 3 decades” as you said is profitable?!
And forget A321neos or 737 MAXs or any other narrowbody aircraft flying outside Europe transatlantic, okay fine let 787 do the job but don’t you think their aging 777 also needed replacement for the 777X or A350? For example don’t you think KLM’s orange pride aircraft which was delivered to KLM wayy back in 2008 (16-17 years ago) needed retirement and replacement in the next coming years? Don’t you think KLM needs a newer and much more energy efficient aircraft that can even fly longer distances compared to their predecessors?
@@ramyfares9099 the 737-800 is literally proven to be one of the most fuel efficient and economical airplanes ever made. i’m confident they can last 30 years before retirement. the thing that i find crazy in this video is that they’re trying to act like KLM would retire all 737’s out of their fleet IMMEDIATELY for the A321neo, which would be a completely pointless and actually uneconomical to do. i’m still very sure the 737s in KLM’s fleet can last around 15 years but COME ON, no need to retire them immediately when they’ve only been halfway through the aircraft’s lifespan.
Such a bad video. The A32X Neo is supposed to be the latest and most modern single isle jet? Have theese guys not heard of the A220 or the Comac c919...
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E-2? MC-21? (though i’m not sure it’s commercially flying yet)
919? What plane does the Xi ride on when he visits other countries? Why? He doesn’t trust his own product