Victor Conte: Barry Bonds’ drug use
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- Опубликовано: 15 авг 2017
- Victor Conte tells about the illegal drugs Barry Bonds took, how he feels responsible for all of the athletes who came under investigation as a result of the BALCO raid and offers his input on Bonds’ dramatic home run uptick and gaining significant weight in one offseason.
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This cracks me up. Remember when Gagne for L.A. was throwing 103 mph. Then MLB cracked down on PED & the next year his fastball was 89 MPH !!
I'm 38 years old. Barry Bonds is, without question, the best baseball player I've ever seen play. And there really isn't a close second.
Bo Jackson; hold my Gatorade 🥤
@@seanmurphy4465 Bo Jackson? He was trash at both football and baseball stat wise. People just hype him up because he was a great athlete that suffered a career ending injury in his prime 🤦♂️
I believe Barry was 35 when he started taking roids… it’s it like he was In his prime taking it
Sooo yeah I 100% believe he’s the greatest hitter by 20 country miles. Huge 🐐
@@seanmurphy4465wtf?
Video talks about Bonds literally testing positive for THG, and there are still idiots in the comments claiming he never tested positive. Unbelievable.
he tested positive for smashing home runs baby!
who gives a fuck.
your very wrong......they tried to prove it in court and it didnt stick.....still no proof. not saying he wasnt on steroids, but there is still no proof.
@@dutchie1010 Wrong. He admitted to taking "the clear" but claimed he thought it was flaxseed oil
@@TheGuitarded1 so that is proof? wheres the test? wheres the doctors? wheres the charge?
Can't believe people actually think he didn't take steroids
@Hunter Morin who gives a shit if he was never proven, that piece of shit will never be in the hall of fame or be recognized as the home run leader
Hunter Morin ok, let’s just not acknowledge cheaters, and then by putting them in the hall of fame would do nothing but encouraging EVERYONE ELSE to also use PED’s.
Hunter Morin woah woah there bud, you seem really invested in this issue lmfao. Where is any of the evidence to back up that anyone you’ve listed have used PEDs? Specifically Phil Niekro??
Hunter Morin ruclips.net/video/TOYNUgQM7GA/видео.html
Ikr
He seems like he’d be George Costanza’s shady uncle
What a lot of people might not know is that Vic and his brother Bruce played in Tower of Power. Bruce just died this month.
😂😂😂😂
You can gain 20 pounds in the one year with the right food but cmon everybody knows He used steroids !
@Greg Ostertagcorrect you are. Half correct, anyways.. I think he was taking Hgh and Testosterone. Not actual steroids like winstrol or tren or anything of the sort.
U can also gain it with the wrong food too. Give me nothing but chipotle, ihop breakfasts and kfc and I can easily put on 20lbs in a few months
I gaining 20lbs during the Covid pandemic... I was not eating the right foods
Greg Gardner You idiot anyone can gain 20 pounds
That’s debatable, and I think most weight trainers would say that seems a bit high, as 15-pound gains can take the better part of a full calendar year.
Graham is always delivering!
good questioning.
He looks like Mene Gene Okerland in the thumbnail. 💯
Steriods DO affect SKILL. Steroids help you to recover faster and have better stamina. This allows you more time in the week to develop your skill. So lets say a guy not on PED's can put in 3 intense sessions a week the one on PED will be able to put in 5 sessions a week i.e. more hours. PED's dont give you natural talent and intelligence but enhances all other aspects.
@@seanhokanson4115 You are an idiot. Read my post again moron.
Successful Internet Psychologist You’re stupid
Successful Internet Psychologist Read it. You’re an idiot...
@Hunter Morin Because he was good and a cheat on top of that. No one is denying Bonds did not have skill. He was probably the best even without steriods? Or maybe he took better steriods or had a better method of taking them. I can put 100 arguments to answer your question.
@Hunter Morin It just means Bond was extremely talented. Probably the most talented guy around. But also incredibly stupid? Because he could possibly have been better than anyone without PED's? Or he went way overboard with them? Again I am not an expert in PED's as I have never tried it so cant really say what effect it has for sure. I am going by what experts say. It might be possible that some guys get a bigger boost from PED's than others would. Now this could be something based on a number of factors e.g. because of your genes you get a bigger boost, because of your style of play (more power based) it gives you a bigger boost etc.
I am not sure what your overall point is? Can you clarify the point you are trying to make? I am simply saying that in certain scenarios taking PED's can help in your skill. Now this might not be relevant to all sports but I can relate to this to some of the sports I participate in. One example is jiu jitsu. I would love to train twice a day, 5 days a week. I cannot do this because I need time to recover. I train 4 times a week but only once a day.
If there is another guy I am competing with that takes PED's which enables him to train 5 times a week, twice a day he is going to develop quicker. Ignoring the physical benefits of PED's such as strength and power just the fact he can train more than me gives him an edge. So my argument was that PED can also allow you to develop greater skill.
The dude gained 30 pounds of muscle in his mid 30s, and his home run numbers went from the 30 to the 60-70. His head did get noticeably bigger. You expect me to believe Bonds in his mid to late 30s was not only stronger but also 30 pounds more muscular than he was in his prime with the Pirates?
Like Manny Pacquiao. Head growing and muscle mass. Oh and he had crazy acne
And grew and inch or two after 30 yrs old.
He went 40/40 when he was still thin
@@jerrysmith3695 One whole year dude.
@Jerry Smith right? 46 in 1993
I Think that Victor would have gotten along very well with Tony Soprano. They both have mob boss morality.
Yeah, they definitely do. I think it might be because they’re both Italian.
Interesting how his tone totally changes between American and non American athletes... it isn’t just him kinda defending the athletes he worked with it’s the way he goes about and beyond to highlight the doubt of those he didn’t
Think about this though.
He grew that mustache without using ANY performance enhancing drugs.
Y’all. 🤔
Still don’t believe he was 228 dude looked 260+ and he was 6’2
XxXxXxXx Funniest comment in the whole thread and crickets smfh
You never seen him close up
At the very end he was probably 240 or so, and he's 6'1".
@@jamiealexander7665 He is 62 and a half
@@christiansoldier77 he's not though lol.
Barry Bonds, Mark Mcgwire, Sammy Sosa and Jose Canseco saved MLB. #GOATS
I am puzzled. You test once he is clean. Test for something else later? How much later? I don't trust chain of custody. Test for everything the 1st time and let chips fall where they land.
For someone who is supposedly anti-doping now, he sure doesn't act like it
I can gain 20 pounds in 3 weeks
Of muscle? Naturally?
I can get 30 or more...... of fat obviously😆🍣🍣
I gained 25 lbs of muscle at 30 years old when i started lifting weights. All within 3-4 months. Went from 200lbs to 230-235lbs. Mostly myscle so yes it can be done
Chicken wings and milkshakes.
@MANCHESTER UNITED Thanks diphshit
I liked at the end of Barry's career when the steroid questions were starting to surface, Barry would bring his kid with him when he would talk to reporters. Just so they wouldn't ask the hard questions with his son sitting there. It was obviously hilarious.
That's genius. I'm surprised that the journalists didn't ask anyway.
I remember seeing a reporter ask him when he was with his daughter. That took some audacity haha
"Bob Costas EXPOSES Barry Bonds' STEROIDS & HGH!"
Stay natural buddy!
I gained 35pounds in one year and I didn't take steroids and that is 100% true.
If you gained that much weight and it wasn't pure, solid muscle. I don't care if you were working out.
@@markg.1078 Dude it was was sold muscle
@@ianmiller9103 Sold muscle , so you bought it?
@@lmaolmfao7590 ???? You're not making any sense!
@@ianmiller9103 You wrote sold muscle......
Nobody is saying steroids made Bonds a Hall of Fame player. He already was before he hit 73 in 2001. Same goes for Clemens. Sosa on the other hand, wasn't
clemens had many mediocre years pre roids
Your related to Jackie
Mike Youngblood Barry Bonds could barely hit 40 Home Runs before Steroids. Same with Sosa, Roger Clemens was a HOF Before Steroids I believe but could be wrong, difficult to know.
IBlewUponYourFace Bonds was already the best player in the game before he juiced. Total HRs can be very deceiving, gotta remember he was also always a huge on base guy which means less official ABs. But the man slugged .600 over his pre PED prime. Dude was already on his way to being in the GOAT convo (especially if era matters to you).
sosa still isnt
they say he replaced one of his eyes with a Bald Eagle eye.
My brother is a professional Body Builder and I know gaining 20lbs of muscle in a few months is almost impossible without some sort of steroid or Test boost.
I'm not saying that he wasn't taking steroids, but in 6 months putting on 16 pounds is extremely impressive, not to mention that his stolen base numbers had been steadily declining so he likely was not just putting muscle on
Bodybuilding is a different ball game. You're trying to gain muscle without gaining fat.
Strength training is alot easier because cardio isn't required. Eddie Hall is a pure example of this when he gained mass and trained to lift 500kgs(STEROIDS IS STRICTLY FORBIDDEN).
@@zachmeyn3460 It's easy to gain weight, it's alot harder to lose it.
1:41 Is it possible????? NO! NO!!! It's possible!
Mr. Barr Bonds is the best major league baseball player to ever play the game. Over 500 stolen basses 762 home runs . Many many gold gloves . To be walked with basses loaded to tye a game up. The best period no questions asked 6 tool player
Babe Ruth shits on Barry's career. Better career numbers, no roids, and a HOF caliber pitcher as well.
Barry without the balco cream was below Mantle's level as a hitter, nevermind Ruth's.
Yes bonds used steroids. No steroids did not teach bonds how to hit a baseball. One of the greatest to ever play the game.
Then why take/use them?
@@neilellis728 recover faster during a grueling 162 game season, improve bat speed, not to mention EVERYONE else was on steroids. Just ask that asshole Jose Canseco.
* 762 should be taken off the books!
I dont think this man can be held fully to account to what these athletes chose to do.
If you make a conscious decision to cheat then sole blame should be placed on you no matter how you got caught.
the first time I took nutrition and lifting even semi seriously I went from like 155-160 to 180 in like 4-5 months and by semi-seriously I mean just do a bunch of lazy self resistance shit throughout the day and drink a protein shake and take creatine and I was in my early 30s. so I don't understand how that's implied to be an almost impossible feat. I would say I have 7/10 genes and a 3/10 work ethic/discipline, now imagine having ,9-10/10 of both like a lot of world class athletes do. If you want to say it adds to the suspicion fine but a lot of people act like it's impossible to do and that's just not true
Yeah but that wasn't just muscle. Anyone that start lifting puts on a decent amount of weight the first year but it's not solid muscle a lot of that especially if you're taking creatine is water weight. Barry was already in great shape and in his mid 30s when testosterone production starts to slow down in men and he put on 20+ pounds of solid muscle.
You can put it on quicker than that by insulin spiking with dextrose and loading creatine ffs
I never liked the Game of Shadows authors.
Best player ever
This is ridiculous. 1919 Black Sox scandal, to get the fans back, baseball juiced the ball. Dead ball era gone, home runs galore. Babe Ruth. 1994 players strike, World Series wiped out, Baseball juiced the ball and all of a sudden every Tom, Dick and Harry was hitting homers. Wasn't just Barry. Buys we've forgotten about were suddenly, and I mean suddenly hitting 40 or more homers. They juiced the ball, wrecked all of the records and blamed it on the players for something the players had been doing, with everybody's knowledge, for decades. To slow the hitting down back in the '50's they built the mound up. When the mound destroyed offense in the '60's and the game was losing popularity, they cut the mound down. Hitting increased. No one ever gives them the credit, but the Owners control the game. Change a rule or a condition you change the performance. Pretty simple.
Holy woodpecker balls, you is a smart MIT level Homosapien, Collatz Conjecture, anyone? We are betting that you can lay down the full, true data on, IPOs, EPOs, PEDs, Steroids, Anaboli Steroids? Just saying...................or, asking .
@@swampdickie How disappointing. After 2 years, finally a reply, and that was it. Not an argument, just an insult. How unusual. But I enjoyed the Homosapien bit.
THG can't be detected in urine can it?
Have you seen the video(s) of the pros who went to Vancover lab where they would insert a caterer into their blathers, drain their urine (which would test positive), with some that was clean so they would then test negative? If you haven't, it's on RUclips;(doping). Just saying....................................
The crazy part about all this is Barry was 1st ballot hall of fame without peds! And let's just be honest here, how many got into the hall already that used them? I bet players on the "list" which we still don't know all the names on it, like over a 100.. got in.. and some of you won't like my thoughts on some of the players especially Ken Griffen Jr who i bet is on that list! Bagwell, Pudge, etc! Yes I said I think personally griffey Jr used them. He was hitting 56,58, etc when Mcguire and Sosa were doing their thing. Griffey was right there close in home runs. Then he died down after everything came out. There were over 100 on that list! I bet you anything some got in the hall already! Bonds deserves to be in the hall even with his prior accomplishments and numbers.
So, according to you, because he got caught and others didn't, his cheating should be overlooked. Hope you aren't raising kids.
@@IAAP. he didn't get caught.. obviously you shouldn't be talking baseball if you didn't know that lol
@@chrisrunyon2372 He didn't get caught? He tested positive moron. Sounds like you shouldn't be talking about anything that requires intelligence.
@@IAAP. wow was he found to be quilty? Oh no he wasn't so your argument is now void. I bet you think griffey jr is clean too don't you?
@@chrisrunyon2372 he tested positive for steroids. How much more guilty can you be? I have no idea about Griffey. I've never heard anything in the way of evidence, unlike Bonds, saying he used.
Just let steroids be legal it helps athletes recover. 162 games is such a high number for regular season then playoffs?
Such a dumb line of reasoning. The ones with all the money will dominate every sport even more so than we see today
The problem is that if nearly everyone does steroids, then almost everyone will think it's necessary to juice to become a pro athlete. It sends a dangerous message.
They really just need to make a league where all PEDs are allowed
Ask Tiger Woods aboUt his physio who worked for BALCO!!!!!!
His head did get bigger though
Eliott Frost Racist!!!
HGH
How does steroids make ur head bigger show me the facts , because yall just be running yall mouth with media b.s
@@kingcali6507 All I can say is that ever since I've been on roids, whenever I headbutt my coworkers at the office, they go down. But I don't feel a thing 😁
@@kingcali6507 GH, not AAS.
Long live Henry Aaron, the true home run king.
Uhhh it's Hank not Henry
@@scylla88shawn14 it's his middle name
Keep telling yourself that buddy but baseball history tells different
Hank was hitting HRs pumped up on "greenies" (ie. Amphetamines to you & me). Maybe a line or two of coke? Who knows - there was no testing at all back then.
And really, who cares! Let ém play I say. You may juice up all you want - you still aint hitting 762 home runs baby!!!
It aint a crime if you dont get caught
Ik its technically when I was 15-16 but test is still high in early 20s but I was easily able to gain 15-25 in a summer not even. If you know what you are eating and start lifting right, it’s not tough especially going from eating maybe 1500-2000 cals to 3000-4500 cals a day sooo. It’s easily possible
Yes I grew I prolly grew but I got up to 190 in a year 1/5 sooo it’s definitely still possible lol
Nope.....................
No it’s not. Not if you have been training your entire life. Your body has a natural amount of of muscle it build and maintain. Once you cap out good luck gain a pound a year with hard work a perfect diet. Let alone being 40. The only way to get 20lbs of muscle in 120 off season like BB was steroids. If you don’t believe it, I’ve got beach front property for sale in Arizona
6'2" 230lbs isn't big? Same size as Arnold 75 oly
Yeah but Arnold had no body fat with his stage weight.
Bonds head size increased from 7 to 8 in one year
Bingo. That's not natural
duh you gain weight your head gets fatter
A snitch is a snitch.
U don't become better at 37 or 38 years old in any professional sport bottom line he knows he juiced n so did Sosa n mgwire it's obvious
Difference between Bonds & Sosa/ McGuire, Bonds was always great & putting up monster numbers before the time period people suspect he started using, Mark & Sammy literally became hall of fame players after
@@southsidehitta8452 dude mcguire and sosa were having 40+ HR yrs early in their career also...
@@gstacks510 Sammy Sosa didn't hit 40 hr's until his 7th season, which was in 96 lol. Mcgwire was good but couldn't stay healthy to consistently put up numbers, which is where the steroids helped him most, just to stay healthy.
Tell that to Hank Aaron and Randy Johnson
@Jimmy Jux Now We Starting To See This Athletes Still At Their Peak In Late 30s Tom
Brady, Lebron James, Cristiano Ronaldo & Floyd Mayweather
I love how non athletes or disgruntled ones actually think steroids makes you hit home runs lol….
The ? is does it help with hand eye coordination
THis guy says everyone uses drugs.. must be up for some money.
Genuinely curious, did he ever test positive for anything?
From a NYT's article, "Bonds tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs in November 2000 and February 2001"
"The evidence also deals with a 2003 drug test that was conducted by Major League Baseball that came up negative for performance-enhancing drugs. But tests later performed on that sample by the UCLA Olympic Testing laboratory showed testosterone; clomid, an anti-estrogen drug used to stimulate natural testosterone levels; and THG, a designer steroid that was provided to athletes by the Bay Area Laboratory Co-operative, or Balco."
aChristian4RonPaul yes
No.
Barry is one of the best ever I don’t give a fuck what anyone says
Barry Bonds is the best baseball player I have ever seen, and it's not even close.
🤣🤣🤣 then you should watch some more baseball chief. The guy never comes close to any of the HR records without performance enhancing drugs. He was a GREAT player before but he never becomes the 35 year old monster without cheating. Hell if 100 of the top HOFers were on as much juice as bonds they would have had the same ridiculous HR numbers im sure.
@@williams268 You don't need to have a record to be a great baseball player (even though he has the records anyway). I've never seen a player who can hit home runs, lay off bad pitches and take walks, run the bases, and field the way he does (Rickey Henderson maybe, but not the power Bonds had).
He wasn't cheating, he did what he was paid to do. Also, he was a way better player than anyone before steroids, already a multiple time MVP. If you're judging his baseball ability simply by looking at how many HR's he hit, then maybe you need to watch more baseball.
@@williams268 you need to watch more baseball if you think steroids made bonds into a superstar
Kershaw
@@drvn8 damn that was a savage rebuttal
The steroids improved his hand eye coordination too. He was basically a scrub who came in after one offseason hitting a ton of homers!!
Wait....
Hank Aaron has the home run run record
"This I'm sure of. He did not hit 73hrs and 762 because he was on The Clear and The Cream".. "All this stuff in the Game Of Shadows is garbage"..
Graham sounds like a damn robot. He's showing as much personality as Robocop. Correction, Robocop has more personality.
Dead or alive, you're answering my question.
Sounds like he's talking through his teeth. Annoying as!
No guys, it's not possible to gain 20lbs muscle in a year, even with newbie gains. Now add the fact that he's in his 30s it's almost impossible for that to happen naturally. This really isn't rocket science
putting on 20 lbs, and putting on 20 lbs of pure muscle is quite different, and Bonds was not ripped like Sosa or Mac, and clearly did not put on 20 lbs of muscle..The pouch in his stomach shows that.. The big elephant in the room is; how did Bonds hit 363 after they started testing for the clear, and almost 40 years old.. How was he on pace to hit 60 homers for 2 more years except for knee injury, after they were testing for the clear?. Why is he the only one who's production didn't dip after the new testing?.. Answer those before claiming he could not get better as he got older
Ruth will always be 👑
Bonds you’re the best ever, you’ve been cleared.
Jack Arnsick I know, it’s tongue and cheek.
This guy is running interference. He tested positive, lifted weights and gained 20 pounds of muscle. If he just lifted weights he wouldn’t have been able to do that in one year. It takes a lot of time to build muscle cleanly.
Does eating more and lifting weights more make your head bigger lol
Yes, of course .
Barry Bonds was not 228. Dude looked like 250
Wow, interuptions!? Someone is really fighting for the narrative.
Angry sfg fan? Barry blatantly cheated
@@georgegrieco6280 he did, and lots of others did too.
@@georgegrieco6280 Cubs fan btw.
We are a bunch of hypocritical people! We think we want to see a sports world without PED use, we don't! If we truly did, it would not be happening!
Examine Rafael Nadal next 🙄
Wasn't Barry one of BALCO's most important clients? I mean I guess he probably can't just come right out and say it but it's unfathomable to me that Victor wasn't aware of Barry's PED use.
BARRY BONDS IS THE GREATEST PLAYER IN HISTORY!!!!
Steroids DIDN'T Make him a Great Hitter!!!! He should be on the Hall of Fame just like Pete Rose!!!
No , he shouldn’t be in the HOF. Furthermore, steroids jacked up his home run production. So, yea, they did make him a better hitter.
@@jimbob4456 Plenty of guys who probably did steroids are already in the HOF. Bonds pissed off journalists (HOF voters) throughout his career. That's the only real reason he's not in the HOF.
Stop the witch hunt with Bonds. All of them were on roids. It's common sense that if a player knows everyone else is doing it that he would start doing it too. Nobody wants to fall behind. Sammy Sosa, Mark Maguire, Alex Rodriguez. All of them were juicing.
The GOAT Cheater.
Trust me! 20 pounds in a year, and supposedly did it natural? No way! Myself and other buddy’s have worked our asses off going 5-6 days a week to the gym, eating 5 meals a day, protein, creatine! Most we have accomplished is 10 pounds of clean muscle a year
Steroids or not. You still gotta have hand eye coordination and timing to hit the ball.
Which steroids help.
6’2 230 pounds isnt a big guy lmao
Yeah, his downplaying was weak as fuck.
Everyone knows Barry was on the juice. The problem is who gives a fuck besides the BBWAA and people who act all high and mighty?
We have to face the facts. The reason Bonds is not in the HOF right now is because he was a douche bag, and the writers hated him. If he were a nice guy, enough of the writers would’ve looked past the PEDs and acknowledged that even without steroids he was a no doubt 1st ballot Hall Of Famer.
Still glad he didn't make it into the hall of fame. when you ruin the integrity of the game you don't deserve the ultimate accolade. Hell Pete Rose broke the golden rule but he played the game clean. You put him in before any of these other cheaters.
Look man, you’re not putting on 25+ LBs of muscle in 2-3 summer months naturally. I don’t care how much you eat, workout, rest or whatever……that’s not happening naturally. That’s too short of a time period for those gains to take place without being on something (GEAR).
And for a man in his 30s, your body is already at it’s natural peak IMHO so you’ll need something extra to take you over the top and gain that much muscle mass in such a short period of time.
Steroids or not, Bonds is the GOAT. PEDs can't teach you how to hit and from the 1990s all the way until the mid 2000s, everyone was juicing in the MLB because there was practically no testing. He deserves the HOF.
Chevyblock 550 Yeah he had a better career than Babe Ruth sure
@@alsacrime4806 Much better fielder with more speed and a cannon arm.
Chevyblock 550 Haha, Bonds, a notably weak-throwing left fielder, had a better arm than Ruth, who was the premier left-handed pitcher in baseball and played right field??
Show me the numbers to support that silly claim.
How old are you, 12 and a half?
Nobody who knows shit from tar is going to argue that as a young player Bonds did not possess great speed along with outstanding range as a left fielder, but outside of Yastrzemski, there just haven’t been that many notable defensive left fielders because it is a hitter’s position.
Bonds did not have the defensive value of an elite centerfielder, no way.
Right field is a more important defensive position than left, which is only more important than 1B.
Speed is generally a vastly overrated skill in baseball.
Ruth our-tripled Bonds 136 to 77!
Ruth had 182.5 WAR, Bonds 162.8.
Bonds stole 514 bases and was caught 141 times.
According to Bill James and Pete Palmer, Bonds’ stealing game had a net value of 53.45 runs over the course of his 22-year career, or about six wins.
Per 162 games Bonds averaged 2.6 runs created via stealing, which is hardly significant in the big picture.
Even if you completely ignore Ruth’s Hall of Fame pitching ability, he was still the most successful player of all time:
www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/onbase_plus_slugging_plus_career.shtml
QED
@@alsacrime4806 Ruth played in a time where the skills of the players were far lower than what they are today. The only three things he had going for him were sheer power, a good arm on the mound, and a likable personality. The vast majority of the players during Ruth's time are not even triple A level player's during Bonds' time.
Bonds played in the modern era of baseball in the steroid era when everyone was juiced to the gills because there was no drug testing, a time in baseball history many fans looks back upon. Not only did he hit a record 762 career home runs, he holds the record for most number of walks drawn. Just to remind you, that was 2558 times. This is in the modern era. If that isn't pitchers being chickens and not wanting to face Bonds then it was Bonds with an amazing batting eye and high playing IQ.
Chevyblock 550 By your logic it is therefore impossible to compare players across eras, so what is your point?
Where precisely did the modern era begin?
Ted Williams was essentially the same player in 1939 as he was in 1960, and Babe Ruth played well into the 1930’s.
Could the superstar players of the 1960’s excel today?
Ask Barry if Willie Mays would be a minor league player today.
Willie and Ted were peers and Ted and Greenberg were peers and Greenberg and Babe were peers.
Everything you say contradicts your own half-baked thesis.
ENORMOUS (20 pounds) high quality muscle gains in 12 short months is completely plausible - with MASSIVE amounts of juice. Just ask Canseco. LOL!!
Why is he so clearly covering for Barry Bonds when he has been so candid regarding other athletes like Usain Bolt etc?
Bolt didn't pay him.
He didn't say Bolt did it either ffs
Who fucking cares if he used steroids! Let them all do it. I want to see them hit a shit load of home runs!
Sure... a professional athlete like Barry never lifted weights before. Pro athletes never lift weights. It's juts a coincidence that Barry packed on 20+ lbs of muscle in a single offseason after hooking up with BALCO. Its the first time he ever worked out! Please.
The game you play should dictate what type of training you engage in. case in point: The Dutch female sprinter that was kicking ass for many years, younger runners begin to show up, what she do? She hit the weights, ( and who knows what else), the end results were that she became too muscular, could move as fast any more and "puff", she was history.
Mark rippeatoe if ur 6feet tall and not over 240 u need to eat more
Yeah but bonds had his muscle maxed out before he gain an extra 20lbs of an off season at near 40. Doesn’t happen at all with out PEDs. And the numbers of course. His career was coming to an end. Thus enter the clear and the cream.
I don’t include Bonds in it it’s obvious he juiced
Bonds was caught red handed when his lawyer admitted that he lied to a grand jury in 2003.
The lawyer said bonds was under the impression it was a flax sees supplement lol.
If he lied to the grand jury he'd be in jail
@@michaelgray1803 I got house arrest for 30 days.
Then Barry was caught red handed if he thought it was Flax seed
This liar help his best client.
Whatever
peanuts
Giant improvement in your performance he's in his late 30s and he's hitting 70 home runs I think that has locked down about what was going on
He was late 30s
Barry Bonds was lied to
Hank Aaron will always be the homerun leader
More like Ruth.Aaron had 800 more games.
NOT
@@franklinhall3033 I would say Aaron. Ruth played with bums. Minorities weren't allowed to play at that time. You saw what happened to basketball when minorities got to enter the league. Took it right over!
Steroids? WRONG ALL DAY. BUT, b4 the steroids Bonds was official. B4 the steroids, there was NO DOUBT BONDS was getting in the HOF...wasnt even borderline. Griffey was/is my fav player, BUT PLEASE DON'T ACT LIKE BONDS WASN'T A 5TOOL PLAYER!! I saw that & I wasn't even 10yrs old!!
Your description of Jamaica's training clubs, which is more than one facility is stark defamation and utter disrespect. You should go there for yourself and see. This is just rubbish and jealousy! This crap is not truth that hurts. When Usain was in his prime they tested him every single day at the Olympics and found nothing. Are you saying all the testers are in collusion? Bring evidence instead of comparing hypothetical data and suppositions.
regardless steroids don't affect skill, if you're good you're good, and if you suck steroids won't make you any better at baseball. Bonds is a legend no matter what
AequitasVeritas steroids make you stronger. Stronger = hitting the ball harder = 30 more home runs than ever before in his career
strength is the smallest aspect when swinging a bat. its all technique and pitch selection
hella beast strength is the smallest aspect in merely swinging a bat yes. But it's kinda naive to say strength doesn't factor into someone's ability to hit a ball harder. If that were the case he would've never gotten bigger and stronger in the first place
This is such a tired ass argument. Dude...HE ALREADY HAD THE BASEBALL SKILL. What do you people not understand? Bonds wasn't some bum who took roids then became one of the GOATs. He already had HoF skill and using roids furthered that skill. You recover from injuries quicker, you become stronger, faster, etc. This is such an old argument that requires very little thinking.
shanahan142008 who said he didn’t have skill? I’m just saying that’s a weak ass cop out for steroid use. If steroids didn’t have any affect on performance(y’know since they’re called PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUGS), they’d be legal. Obviously Bonds had skill or he wouldn’t have been in the majors to begin with. Doesn’t mean being juiced to the gills didn’t drastically improve his career
Who cares if he did or if he didn't? The man could play baseball and hit a baseball...and he did BOTH better than anybody, ever!
I just watched E60 on espn, the special "BONDS" and the envy and jealousy shown by Andy Ban Slyke, his former Pittsburgh teammate and Ron Cook, a columnist for the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, are comical with their racist asses!
Bobby Bonilla had Barry's back in Pittsburgh and that's what's up!
Free Barry Bonds and put him in the Hall Of Fame...no doubt he will get every needed vote to get legendary justice this winter; the HATERS have expired!
Barry! Barry! Barry!
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Haha come on man....
I think Barry Bonds took steroids because he got way better at older age suspensions
Victor Conte "I believe that it is possible, through weight training and proper diet to put on 20 pounds in an offseason."
BALONEY!!!!!!
No, not balogna. It is possible. Barry bonds wasn't exactly shredded, he was a doughboy that was strong. Shaq used to put on 60 pounds in the offseason
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Let me rephrase that. I'm sorry that you did not understand what I said so I'll clarify. It is impossible any way you want to put it to gain 20 pounds of muscle in one year. The most anybody can gain of pure muscle is maybe seven pounds a year. That's it. And that is if you do everything right.
I don't doubt that Shaquille O'Neal put on 60 lb in the offseason. But it wasn't all muscle,, I can tell you that!. In fact, probably none of it was muscle.
With most person, gaining that kind of weight is terrible on the body. You see so many boxers are on the up and down up and down "yo-yo syndrome". It's better just to stay not more than about 10 or 15 pounds over fighting weight. And the smaller you are, the less weight you need to gain. It's terrible on your reflexes, and hard on your body.
@@markg.1078 more than 7 lbs of muscle in a year is impossible? Bro I've personally gained 10 pounds in a year and the whole time was so lean I had veins in my calves. You're very ignorant on this topic. Beginner lifters usually gain 20 pounds of muscle in the first year. Even bodybuilding.com the most mainstream site agrees with me.
@@markg.1078 www.aworkoutroutine.com/how-much-muscle-can-you-gain/
This backs up my claim. If you're speaking from personal experience, you might have below average genetics, a hormone issue, or don't know what the hell you're doing. It's obvious either way you have no idea what you're talking about
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I've worked out and trained my whole life. And all I can say is that I simply do not believe you. I do not believe it is physically impossible to gain more than 7 to 8 lb of pure solid muscle with no fat. I don't doubt that you gained that much weight in a year, especially if you're a young man, and you're popping on all cylinders, and your testosterone level is somewhere in the stratosphere. If you gained 20 pounds in a year it was not all muscle. That's the point I'm trying to make.