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Lol Chris is so shocked by the knuckleadism displayed he had to make two vids 😂😂 Yeah,this stage goes directly into the history books.
Wow. What a lucky day with two Chris Horner videos!! Enjoyed both.
Glad you did. Thanks 👊🦋
Massive kudos to Ben O’Connor, who absolutely deserved this stage win and leader’s jersey. The Tour de France Netflix documentary made me a big fan of his, so I’m happy to see him at the front of the race. I know he’s moving to Jayco next year, but I’ll be rooting for him to leave AG2R with a nice gift.
Hopefully he can finish on that podium and possibly win. I believe in him a lot more than his team.
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This stage win? Yesterday he won Vuelta
Empty victory. Primo wanted to give away the jersey & no one rode to win except 1 person. Ben doesn't have the talent nor the form this season to challenge for gc.
Did you watch the giro? He was the third human. The winner was an alien 😅
Thank the cycling gods that Pog decided not to go for the triple. This is becoming peak entertainment.
Peak indeed 👊🦋🔥🇪🇸
+ revenge that Bora got a Giro win 2y ago without leading one hundred meters 😂.
There was a great moment late on in the stage when our man Victor Campenaerts calmly goes up to the front of the peloton and rides alongside the Bora train, looking over at them as if to say "WTF".
eurosport commentators had a stitch with that. 😂😂
Yup, was so funny. He looked so fresh and bewildered
O'Connor not getting enough credit from many for a great ride, so good to hear someone actually acknowledging that he has done well and will take some catching now. He has set up a very exciting Vuelta with his 5 minutes advantage.
Not even Pogi and Jonas on their can get 6min over the whole peleton on this kind of stage Bora and Movistar are like Dumb and Dumber 😅
The craziest part was Ben O’Connor didn’t even put in a crazy acceleration to attack lipowitz. For the time bonus nobody contested him so he easily got the 6 seconds. Then at 60k the breakaway wasn’t working well together and he just kinda drifted off the front with lipowitz not even paying attention. He sees he’s got a gap with a guy he’s comfortable working with and then starts putting the work in to extend it. Lipowitz waited for the other to come by and close the gap til he realized that the gap was 0:45 and he’s got to attack across now. He’s gotten the bonus and the gap with minimal effort which means he’s full of energy for the final climb in which he barely lost any time to the peloton despite being in the break. Idk if the team didn’t give lipowitz any instruction but he didn’t do anything at all to make O’Connor put extra effort in. Foolish stuff
Been reading a lot of "this is a purposeful drop of the red," and "this is planned." Maybe it is, but a nearly 5 minute gap sure isn't lol
They wanted to give him a minute or two, they’re plan got out of hand
A plan gone bad. 👊🦋
@@ChrisHornerCyclinga bad plan gone even worse than planned
Ben did not get the memo with the details 😂😂 He was not supposed to get THAT much.
The problem with Roglic or Jonas, they depend on their DS and team (and on Pogacar if he is there) too much and luck the awareness to read the dangerous moves. Even Remco is much better at reading the race. Remco when he is in the backfoot, he panics and argue too much with opponent riders. For Roglic it is too late now, but the only solution to this is send them to one day and one week races with weak team and fend off for themselves and try to read the development of the race.
The thing with Ben O'Connor is that he usually get's over agressive responding to attacks and then blows, I hope he can really keep it cool because he is a beast and has the chance of a lifetime to win a GT !
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What a stage. Happy for Ben. Really changed the race today. 👍🏻
Yes it did. 👊🦋🦋🦋🦋
In today's first video, "You couldn't cover everything". Haha, you are making the same excuse as the Red Bull Bora DS! I hope that was intended foreshadowing 😂
That’s funny. I wish I was that good. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🦋👊
@@ChrisHornerCycling"oh yeah, I meant to do that!" 😂😉🦋👊😘
All the major GC teams messed up today....how can they let anyone (of Ben's calibre)who is only 1:16 down go in the break? Go Ben!!...you deserve all that comes with wearing the Red Jersey! Go Aussie!! Oi, Oi, Oi!!
Since this night’s Butterfly Effect, I had some time to think about that. On the one side we got the big time knucklehead moves by RBH. On the other side we got that massive raid by O‘Connor and AG2R that deserves to be praised highly. 💪🏻
Man I want Chris to be a DS in the big tours so we can sit on the Chesterfield and go, oh THATS how you avoid being a knucklehead. Love it Chris. Thanks for the double dip today, and lovin MY MAN Ben O'Connor crushing the field today.
That would be real fun, but ain't gon happen. I don't see Chris kissing anyone's @$$ to keep that DS role.😂😂😂
O’Connor better start getting his head straight because this is the best chance he’s gonna get of ever winning a grand tour
gee, you think?
What suggestions have you, for that "straightening"? An extra half hour of sleep? Two bananas 🍌 at breakfast?
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After watching yesterday's stage, I knew I had to come here for Chris to discuss all the knuckleheads. I bet Pog and Remco are enjoying the show from home too 😂
When I saw the result today I knew I had to watch Chris Horner's recap!
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I’ll bet Claudio Chiappucci was excited to see how this stage progressed 😂
Finally we see a exciting grand tour this year 🎉
Wow. Jumbo was so dominant last year. This stage, not even a mention.
Poor Visma, they've had such a hard year. We'll hear plenty about Wout tomorrow. Whether he wins or not, it's great to see him riding well again.
It’s been a rough year for them. 😱🦋
@@camillelively that was an incredible sprint by Wout today. It looked like he was venting his frustration for a bunch of near-misses. Wasn't going to be denied.
Almeida doesn't sit on the wheel, he dangles. 😂
Hehehe. That’s so true. I got to remember that more precise word. 😂🦋👊
Whats more likely? Ben blows up or Rog hits the deck?
lol. I think we all know the answer to that
Both are gonna happen, question is only when and under what circumstances...
When and where. 🤔😱🦋
There is a statistic that says on average Roglic crashes every 18th day of racing.
And unfortunately a grand tour is longer than 18 days 😂
Imagine if this happens yet again - any team going to keep risking him as a lone leader or would they always have to keep two legit GC threats in every grand tour?
Another excellent analysis Chris! Thanks 👍👊
It's great to see this second video with a more detailed analysis of the tactical mistakes that RBH made. Ben O'Connor was on a great day on a course that perfectly suited his capabilities, but he should have never been allowed this big a time margin. It all comes back to the DS and his inability to modify the plan on the fly. It is up to the DS to know the capabilities of the other riders and the course. IMHO, the riders in the break were too strong to have allowed them all to go. CVV said that before Peacock came on air, there had been a huge fight to establish the break. But still, the peloton has the final say as to who is allowed in the break.
And yes, I thought Roglic looked really upset after this stage too. He should be because his DS has made his (Roglic and the team) job harder than it should have been. For us, the fans, the battle for the podium has gotten a lot more interesting as a result of this stage.
By a distance, the best cycling coverage anywhere. Always the first place I go for analysis.
Love seeing the channel grow! Thanks for the coverage, keep up the great work
Weird day. Pretty large selection in the Peleton for a summit finish. Really very little urgency from any team.
No hurry what so ever. But every one was worrying all the same but refused to fix it. Great stage though. 🦋👊
An unexpected worthy sequel to end the day!
Awesome to see
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Thank you, Chris!
IIRC, Friday is a sprint stage, so Chris, if you have some extra time, could you review what type of team support Ben O'Connor has for those mountain stages? Not very familiar with Decathalon.
Yes. If the stage is a sleeper that’s a great plan. Or maybe a second video again is needed. 🤔🦋👊🎥
Decathlon has very good climbers:
Valentin Paret-Peintre
Felix Gall
Victor Lafay (a bit inconsistent but talented, won stages at Giro and Tour)
Clement Berthet (won Kom at Giro and Vuelta)
Overall a very good team on the climbs.
amazing follow up episode... you really went deep into tactics and on the confusing day such as this it was required.
Congratulations 🎊 to Ben ❤️ GO Aussie go , maybe he can win 🏆 this race by the last stage 😀
Seems like all the big teams were tactically disorganized. RBH wasn’t the sole knucklehead team. No double 🦋🦋during the tour. This was a big day La Vuelta. 👊👊♥️♥️
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Thanks for the update. At least today no one "Celebrated early"! 🙂
Wish i was fast enough to receive a
"time bo-nuth"
😂Love you Chris!
It was an amazing stage👏👏👏
Thanks Chris for this Beyond the Coverage!! Never underestimate an Aussie!
Primoz can't just drop the elite GC selection at the flamme rouge & jag bonus seconds on every summit finish anymore. With that much time to recover he has to try and drop O'Connor much earlier, and turn it into an FTP battle this plays to Almeida's strengths in my opinion. It will be interesting to see who will fire the first shots when the opportunity comes to attack O'Connor.
So interesting. 🤨 👊🦋🇪🇸🔥
At least I see that Primoz looks kind of clean and some of them . I don’t see ALLIEN here . Thanks God Pogacar , Vinegar and Remco are NOT HERE . ❤
Nice video ❤
Thank you Chris for the Beyond the Coverage!! It will be fun to see an Aussie in red in Madrid! The Vuelta is for underdogs
Sunday should be interesting to see things shake up a bit more!
Ben O Connor can go good as long as he gets out of his own head. Definitely a high B tier rider
A bit like Sepp Kuss last year then? (without the team obviously)
@@mattpotter8725 outside of Kuss' Vuelta win, he's more proven. A 4th at the Giro and TdF
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@@veganpotterthevegan Kuss, in the Grand Tours at least, was only a super domestique until winning last year's Vuelta so I think they are on about the same level. Last year Kuss wasn't really helped much by Rog or Jonas, in fact they attacked him. O'Connor (and riders like him, like Kuss was before year's Vuelta) are susceptable to having off days and I think he has to have one of those to lose this race. I don't think it's even a mentality thing it's just whether can sustain riding with the other GC riders day after day on the tougher stages later in the race. I remember Adam Yates having a massive lead in the Giro a few years ago, the one that Froome won with that amazing 100km breakaway effort, and he capitulated later in the race so even though you're right in saying O'Connor has a 4th in the TdF and Giro, the latter, this year's Giro what from Pog just didn't have any top GC riders (not blaming O'Connor, he did what he needed to do to get 4th) and the 2021 TdF he finished 10 minutes back and that was 3 years ago so I'm not convinced yet he won't lose all this time he's gained. It does remind me a bit about the Giro that Richard Carapaz won. No one thought he was a threat so let him go up the road and he the race lead all the way to the finish. It could happen again I need to see more of O'Connor on mountainous stages to be convinced and there are quite a difficult stages still to come.
@@mattpotter8725 Simon Yates lost that Giro.
Great perspective and follow up, sadly sometimes these teams can’t admit that they screwed up, must be that tummy year where people are burnt out, and those who aren’t capitalized!!!
I was surprised to see Bora admit it so quickly. When I read the article I knew we needed a second video today. 🤔🦋👊
Well, you said a couple days ago that Bora had to take the front and that turned out to be pretty important.
Regardless of what happens by the end of the Vuelta, Roglic is totally right to be pissed off. That said, in same circumstances, Hinault would have bossed that one to the T. Roglic, though team leader, didn’t. That may cost him dearly.
Roglic on the road have told his best domestiques to go to the front and do some work to bring the gap down on the climbs. The Bora riders on the front weren't even rotating through and then taking a break, they just did their pull and then peeled off, so if Roglic is pissed off with anyone it would be himself. Sure those in the car should have been running the show but when it was obvious the plan wasn't working you send Vlasov and Martinez to the front, you even get on the radio and call back Lipowitz as well, so I have little sympathy I'm afraid.
Keep in mind, their A team went to the TdF. This may have been all they had
Exactly. Roglic could have changed the tactic himself. 🤔🦋👊
It is going to be an amazing Vuelta, after today's stage Primoz gains 6 second. In the warm down Ben O'Connor said today was easy and he was way better in the heat. Bad news for the rest, as Decathlon/AG2R seemed to be good today and Ben had at least a bit of support with Felix Gaul. Get the popcorn ready this is going to be pretty awesome I think.
For some reason I don’t think Ben will hold that lead, let’s see
Tshirt is Nice on you Chris
I almost didn’t recognize him without the long sleeve button up, sleeves rolled up sitting on chesterfield 😂 🦋🦋🚴. Great video as usual CH!!
Thanks 😂👊🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋
@ChrisHornerCycling are these available for purchase? Shipping to Australia?
UAE better do a good job. If Almeida doesnt come close to winning GC, im gonna be pissed for Pogacar. I think a major reason pogacar sit this one out is to give his teammate chance at glory as well. But if UAE is gonna giftwrap this for Roglic or anyone else, might as well have Pogacar come and obliterate the record book.
@ptbot3294 Clearly the best team. I was expecting fireworks from jump and played Almeida in the markets. They should be ultra aggressive. Disappointed so far. Maybe week 2.
PR still thinks (& wishes) he's in Visma, kudos to O'Connor 💪 - wish him well!!! 😎
Hopefully Decathlon AG2R have a decent DS and not one from the Ineos school of thought… they really don’t have to do anything - they can let breakaways go with the likes of Kuss, Yates, Carapaz or C-Rod in them and peg them at 3-4 minutes and leave it other teams to close it down, all those riders 7-10 minutes down become podium threats long before they become red jersey threats. Plus UAE aren’t going to say ‘you ride’ to DAG2R if Roglic goes up the road and vice versa with Bora…. It’s definitely made this Vuelta interesting, as long as they don’t do an Ineos and decide they have to control everything and close things down alone…
Fantastic insights and analysis. Knuckleheads all over the place today, like it was a contagious virus 🙂. Thanks, Chris!
Enjoyed both today videos but I'm quite surprised that you didn't even throw a single 'knucklehead' 😂
Wow. Ben O'Connor did an Oscar Pereiro on Bora. I love me some Primoz, but I don't think he can bring back almost 5 minutes. Barring any unlucky crashes, I think this was a Vuelta-winning move from Ben O'Connor. Chapeau!
Red Bull gives Ben wings.
Pogacar wouldn’t have let this happen
Not so sure. With 2 more weeks to go a gap of 5 minutes to someone like Ben is not something Pog would sweat overmuch over
And if he can maintain form like yesterday, which is fairly unlikely, they’re not going to bring back four minutes and 51 seconds
When Soler is the voice of reason, you know something went terribly wrong 😂
Very very good thoughts from an expert at GC’s - Thanks.
Lipovitz must have been like a fart in church when he got on the team bus
Red Bull got plenty cards to play. Let’s chat in Madrid. Other teams got to work now and, Connors team will be suffer from today.
Go Ben O'Connor! Aussie Aussie Aussie! Oi oi oi!!!
Aussie Aussie Oi Oi Oi!!!
Red larva says oi oi oi
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Yeeaah!! He called them knuckleheads 😈
There's a chance Roglic wasn't actually feeling well, so if Bora rode to hard they'd have exposed Roglic. Playing a bluff card perhaps.
great riding by ben. as an austrian i am a felix fan ... and it seemed like thst stage 4. but now i am happy for ben too. and deca got great tactics now. resting on ben's advantage but might pressure the others with little stings by felix. ace.
Stage 4 was for O’Conner the opposite of a Pyrruswin, where you win the battle at such a cost that you lose the war, he lost that stage with enough time loss to to get in a position to win a stage and maybe win the Vuelta.
Not a cyclist. But your analysis is captivating. Had to watch both reviews today. Rest of tour should be fascinating.
Thanks. 👊🦋
Im thinking Ole Ben is gonna hold on to that Red Jersey until the end. That last climb tells me his legs are in vertical shape. With the extra gas just having that jersey gives.. I just hope his teammates are up to the task to help him keep it. 👍🏼🚵🏼♂️💯🇭🇲
Chris, I don’t think we are giving enough credit to Ben O’Connor. He was on a day that bike racers dream of. I don’t think anybody would’ve brought him back.
Lots of talk about Bora and Rog dropping the ball, but aren’t Visma trying to get Sepp the GC also? Onya Ben!
Knuckleheads is being nice.😊
Ouch!
It’s a family channel. 😂🦋👊
Didn’t they learn anything from Sepp’s breakaway last year?
Decathlon AG2R Le Mondiale.... this is what the sponsors paid for! :D
I think that Ben has it. He can only loose, nobody else can win it, even Rog, he's not in a super form and Almeida or Landa are more a follower type not a strickers or ride with agressive style to make a real difference to Ben.
Let's see what Rog can pull out
Reminds me of the knuckleheadism on behalf of SD Works during the 5th stage of the Tour de France Femmes 2024 …
Chris, what would you say about riding in another Grand Tour?!
indieVelo is going to have a 5-day stage race called the indieVelo Grand Tour at the end of September - it would be incredible if you were there to race it!
GC, mountain, and Sprint jerseys are all yours to fight for with or without a team 👍🏻
It would make for incredible YT content
@@sigfreed11 wait what?!
another grandfondo with a field full of ex-dopers?
sorry, ex-pros.
@chris horner , education required please, why didn't all the other teams just do track stands and say to Roglic your in Red and are the favourite over to you and Bora if we lose 10 mins that's your problem?
Tadej took O'Connor body, theres no other logical explanation.
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FFS, stop blaming Lipowitz throwing water on his head at 40°C sometimes.
Didn't Tommy Voeckler grab something like 17 minutes over Armstrong once in a similar blunder?
A teams stand off. Yes. I don’t think Lance was as worried or upset as Roglic is today though. 🤔🦋😬👍🔥
@@ChrisHornerCyclingTommy won what mattered that day.... ❤ 😂 ! Looking up the stage by stage results from 2011 ...I forgot Thomas came in second on stage 9 he never won a stage that year ....yet still remember him hanging on ...pretty late in that tour. Yeah it was a strange feeling looking at them too.
@@stevengagnon4777 Yeah, I remember him fighting, too. Grimacing, rocking, but fighting.
Why isn’t Visma featuring Sepp? Are they concentrating only on the Green for Wout?
Vlasov on the front today for Wout ... or for Red Bull?
Now things make sense. It's unfortunate and infuriating as a Primoz fan, but at least I understand what happened.
BH wins the knucklehead team award. Primoz has his work cut out for him.
Now Ben and his team are in the cross hair ! All the other teams would or should have gotten a lashing from staff !
In the movie Donnie Brasco it was told that if you don't start earning.. somebody going to get Wacked ! It's hard to hijack a truck when it's already reached it's destination ?
Hope the Ag2R DS get his team to work together without knuckeheadisms!
Could it be that everyone was expecting Roglic and BHG to make a move, but he's actually injured and unable to do anything? That would explain a lot. He might have been suffering during the interview as well.
If that's true, he essentially gifted the win to Ben because all the other teams were relying on him being the alpha. Such poor tactics all around.
It looks like it is time that all this old school "tacticians" are being replaced by algorithms.
Once you get the GC jersey you have more depth to draw from!...Think the guy to watch is Van Eetlet
bravo ben
Where is the evidence in this video that Primož is furious (even in caps)? All we have heard are calm comments from him. So, basically it's just clickbait, right? Please don't do that, mate.
Well sorry, but this stage is so delirious l'd put a detective on it!
The GC favorites gonna do damage control in the next stages
Go Ben!!! But anything can happen in La Vuelta...
I am right in thinking Roglic usually loses form at the latter ends of Grand Tours? If so, then he's got his work cutout.
Everyone else was knocked out by extreme hot temperatures, couldnt think straight when was time to limt the gap.
UAE also came to espanja to win ! so they also had to work . Bora AND UAE had to move each 2 riders to the front to get O connor back ! For both teams it was importand Ben wouldend take to much time. Now we have almost a sep kuss scenario .... Ben wil not loose a lot of time in the high mountens from all the climbers. And BTW Ben is having a great team arround him !!! dont forget !
Wondering if Primoz back is hurting, and didnt want his team pulling the peloton any faster?
I am curious as to why the Media did not cover the first 110 kilometers?…
The race didn’t broadcast it :/
And you look at UAE its been along season for those guys . Its certainly thrown the cat amongst the pigeons and could get very aggressive now its going to be very interesting.
It wasn't UAE's job to put everything in on their own to bring the gap down. They did send some riders to the front to have a chat the Bora riders, I'm guessing to see if they wanted to work together to bring the gap down, they obviously didn't see a problem with how things were going. Last year many teams on many stages of the Grand Tours pulled on the front for Jumbo-Visma giving them a free ride only to disappear once they're brought breaks back and for Jumbo-Visma to win the stages so if they had done this the same thing could have happened to them so I don't see this as being because it's been a long season but just because they didn't want to do it. It was Bora's having the race leader to say last do some of the work and they just weren't prepared to do so.
@@mattpotter8725 I agree to disagree Roglic is at 4.51 and Almeida is at 4.59 8 seconds difference that's nothing. Might have had more to do with Yates fall ?? Essentially everyone lost a shit ton of time. I doubt UAE would have ridden the same if Pogacar was in the race . But all makes for interesting viewing .
Very 👊🦋🔥
BO'C needs to ride SUUUUUUUUUUUUUPER Smart! he doesn't need to respond to every Roglic attack he needs to minimise his losses and ride his own race, for a rider of his quality, gifting him a lead of nearly 5 mins is a ludicrous error. The biggest errors were not pulling Lipowitz back and allowing the last Movistar rider to ride the front and allow the advantage to re-blow out!.... they should have at least put all their guys on the front and caned it in the last 10km and brought the gap down to 4 mins....a 2 min gap would be more manageable and controllable for RBBH/Roglic