6.0 CLEO Relay Revisited (Is Daybreak Bad?)
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- Опубликовано: 26 дек 2018
- When Undead Labs released update 6.0 for State of Decay, some of the changes included improvements to CLEO guns by allowing more ways to obtain CLEO ammunition in larger quantities and at a more reliable rate... but is this enough to make the CLEO weapons worthwhile? It means having to periodically play the Daybreak horde mode to grind out the Prestige Points (PP) to spend on the ammunition.
My analysis brings me to revisit the CLEO Relay, Red Talon Crafting Station, CLEO ammunition and CLEO guns to find out.
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Maybe I'm wrong. Are you a REGULAR user of CLEO guns? I don't mean you pull them out once in a while and shoot something. I mean you actively use CLEO guns and actively run out of ammunition to then go to the Daybreak game mode to restock. Let me know if you do.
I have that PPK I did a little chair dance when I found it. I made a point of bringing it with me when I moved games.
Daybreak is too grindy, the connections to it are too laggy, and the updated RT characters are too annoyingly nerfed. I'm done with daybreak. 😂
@@chefjoe2490 It's too bad since the DLC for the original game was consistently good.
I use CLEO guns for Daybreak only. I use 7.62 in regular game.
If CLEO ammo was responsible then I would use it more.
@@wagonpeddler6372 All they have to do is remove the PP cost for CLEO guns, but Undead Labs wants some way to push people into continuing to play Daybreak.
I like the way you put ur videos together. It's very high quality and looks very professional. You should have more subs
Thanks, I was hoping it would separate me from my competitors over time. I still have a long ways to go before I master the editing programs, though. They can do some amazing effects once you really get a hold of them.
I think its about the game,the sod2 community is not that big.If he made cod videos he would've had a lot of subs.But im glad he's playing sod2
I stopped as daybreak is to much of grind and got old. I just live without all Cleo stuff.
The last few unlocks I did for the Daybreak facilities video were a huge amount of willpower to do. I didn't play SoD2 for a week after it.
hahahahhaha FUCKING LOSER
@@littlezeusboy2793 to say the truth for saying that you are the loser here he can do what he wants to do and i opened 25 out of 51 and this thing is so bad you get bad teammates most of the time and cant pass round 3 just its like getting to round 5 1to 5 games and to round 7 1 to 10 games
@@littlezeusboy2793 doesn't mean he's a loser it's just to much of a grind high risk bad rewards
Good points on the limited scope of daybreak. I’ll just buy the 150 round AK from the trader and a .50 cal cannon :) aaand I’ll spend my circuits on c4.
The CLEO submachine gun has a 128 round mag and a very high rate of fire. That means every mag you shoot is 15 minutes of Daybreak gameplay. I think Daybreak is a misguided attempt, by Undead Labs, to add a sort of "end game" mode to SoD2 and address the concerns that there isn't anything to do or there isn't any end game. This was definitely not the way to resolve it.
another tip i found is when using the blast rifle ( the best gun in daybreak mode imo) tap b/crouch after everytime you fire and what this will do is cancel the bolt action animation and allow you to fire the gun faster, this makes the blast rifle really beat down jugs and clear out zeds fast i didnt test if this works for every bolt action but maybe it does
Great video! But in a time when we’re so used to having pay to win micro transactions in games, I love daybreak because all the developers want is for us to play it. Yes it can be grindy but they could’ve easily made it into a micro transaction hell with all the variety of unlocks in daybreak.
Exactly. Despite the MANY things undead labs fucks up, at least they havent hit us with lootboxes and shit
Would be nice If they added more red talon missions in the base game, which rewarded you with PP.
I don't think UL cares. If they cared, they wouldn't have made such a piece of crap grind mode that you have to pay for.
Wow man. This is such a well laid case against this dlc. I appreciate the time and wisdom you put into this. My thoughts and feelings exactly!
As much as I like State of Decay, I will never be a corporate bootlick who won't criticize terrible design ideas like Daybreak.
Please don't stop making videos, you deserve more subs purely for the time put into these vids if no other reason!
I don't plan to stop. I thought about it when I started a few times, but one of the books I read warned me about the feelings of self doubt one would feel when beginning a difficult pursuit.
they could double the reward and I still wouldnt grind for an hour. I like the game, I hate how boring Daybreak looks. if having my mind numbed is part of the difficulty, you did it wrong. that said, the rest of the game still fills me with grins. I wasnt gonna play a lot of what amounts to enforced multiplayer anyway. I just dont like people enough in the first place, but I really hate other people's children.
I asked myself question: how much PP per hour would it take to get me to willingly play the game? That's why I said it needs to pay out like 4000-5000PP. Then I might consider doing it... once in a while.
@@GitGudFox I am too old to grind any game for an hour, for any level of reward, and too polite to enter a game I am not committed to finishing. I wont even disrespect a PUG like that. also the hating other people's children thing. all respect; next generation and all that. games are for everyone, but so is a decent vocabulary.
they should.😁
Daybreak isn’t even overwhelmingly hard, it’s just not fun.
I only play Daybreak, reluctantly mind you, when I want the red Talon watchtower, which is the only thing worth it to me.
I think there's only 3 items worth much: RT Tower, RT Officer's Quarters (like +30 morale per survivor when setup right), and the RT workshop has helped in Nightmare Zone. The RT Bunkhouse can be useful in certain setups where you really need more beds but don't want to use your large facilities.
@@GitGudFox thats basically what i do i also for the fun of it had a entire RT theme comunity with the buildings has well it works nicely and is pretty fun Its not viable but its usable
I might be the odd one out but I do like Daybreak. I do wish that they provided more PP per round, like double the amount while offering say a few hundred PP for doing Red Talon missions during the main game.
hey fox with the new update cleo ammo witouth pp, it worth it? can u make a video, and tier list of cleo weapons?
Idk maybe I'm an outlier, but I actually enjoy playing daybreak. My biggest issue is some of your teammates are just.... frustrating. But when you get that team that is actually competent, its actually pretty fun, at least to me. Might partially be because I enjoy horde style modes.
I also like the Daybreak game mode. I agree that it is MUCH more fun if you get competent teammates but I also get a great deal of satisfaction from being able to help carry weaker players.
Additionally (I'm fairly new to playing even though I bought this game years ago but it was way to lagging in multi-player, which is what I was really wanting to do so I stopped playing until recently when I picked it back up) now that you can do cross play in daybreak I have gotten lucky and had a PC teammate with the INSANE glitch and got my PP completely maxed out at 99,999 PP after on complete game of daybreak.
@@ObjectiveEthics it's more so mods not glitch lol. On Xbox I modded the walls to be infinite health at one point because I just couldn't get teammates to stop being lemmings and dying immediately.
@@hahan00b "lemmings " SLMAO... maybe you could show that little MOD trick sometime. Sounds very useful. I am also on xbox.
@@ObjectiveEthics do you have PC gamepass? That's all you need along with the mod manager. It's been a while since I did it, but it was really simple. Mod it on PC, load it up on Xbox and it applies. This works for just about every gamepass title btw.
@@hahan00b oh snap!!! Good looking out fam!
I was pretty determined to unlock all the Cleo stuff, but all that grind man... And remember, some of the things, incluging the cleo relay, can only be unlocked by completing the final wave, which implies you win. Impossible playing alone, and the people you play with vary wildly in competence. So making it all the way to end is very much not guaranteed.
In the end, I ended up installing wemod to give myself unlimited items. I would play solo, and have unlimited mines, so I would mute the game and listen to podcasts while every few minutes, I would go back onto the field and redeploy all the mines the zombies triggered.
The thing that really pisses me off though, is that they can still change the reward system. In an update last week, they doubled the durability of all weapons and guns. So what's stopping them from just increasing the prestige value you get from daybreak? Or reduce the costs for cleo stuff? I would think, each daybreak should give like 5 000 prestige, enough to recruit a soldier and buy a facility. That way people would just have to play a game from time to time, but at least one game is guaranteed to buy even the most expensive thing once. Provided you make it to the end, of course.
Because otherwise I actually kinda like daybreak. No it's not a new concept, but I wish my friends owned the game so we could play together. It would make for a fun evening of teaming up to gather cleo drops, repairing walls and focusing the juggernauts!
I agree 100% 👍. Playing Daybreak is a lot more fun when you play with friends or at least get lucky enough to get teamed up with competent people. The game mode requires teamwork to be truly successful.
I grinded the hell out of it so I could build a 10 person Red Talon community and all of the facilities. Then I did the same thing on my wife's account but got super lucky because of cross play. I actually got matched up with a PC player who had the glitch activated and got all the hidden achievements and maxed out PP for completing that game.
The Only reason I started playing Daybreak (I HATE grinding overall) was to unlock the Red Talon facilities and earn the Prestige to be able to try them out. I have started playing the regular game on Nightmare and am now seeing resource management and efficiencies are very important, to make the over all play through fun (For me of course).
Great review Fox and I agree with your evaluation. While I was a total noob in Daybreak and my teammate carried me, I learned a lot and did halfway decent. I am trying to learn all the Deploy-able items and when best to use them. Over all Daybreak is very boring, that said, it has helped me to hone my skills and learn better ways to fight freaks without expending excessive ammo. ;)
The biggest issue with those weapons is that you can't use a silencer. Weapons without silencer are absolutely useless on nightmare difficulty.
I never noticed that. You're right though. They don't accept attachments... which is weird since new attachments is part of the Daybreak set of items.
I have taken to regularly using CLEO weapons in Nightmare mode, which I suppose is a bit counter intuitive given they can't use suppressors. The Remote Rocket Pods are great for Blood Hordes with the 2 juggernauts, and the amount of CLEO ammo you can get in an hour from the CLEO relay beats looking for a 6 ammo rucksack just to get 55 7.62 bullets or 8 .50 calibers. My opinion on that may change once I get a trader installed as leader and can call an ammo trader, but for now calling the occasional CLEO drop is an easier source of ammo in a mode already stingy with ammo resources and drops.
Juggernauts are a weird balancing act of "I can kill them with 10 CLEO ammo each using a Heavy Sniper Rifle, but then I'm carrying it around and using it for nothing but jugs. I can use Remote Rocket Pods, but then the efficiency of Prestige/Jug kills takes a hit"
I honestly don't mind the grind of Daybreak because its a nice change of pace to the base game, and I can get either 1000 Prestige or watch how my team messes up what is a very simple game mode.
It's true that CLEO ammo is more accessible than regular ammo when you don't have a press. I take it you use the relay to call in ammo since you commented on the relay revisiting?
@@GitGudFox I've been using the relay since making it is a little easier on prestige (1.5 to craft versus 2 to call a CLEO drop), but keeping my ammo resource up is a bit more important, and its 256 CLEO ammo in ~10 minutes versus 48 over ~8. The Cleo Battle Rifle has been good if I'm looking to pop head shots off quickly, and the Sniper Rifle is great for the situations you'd normally be using a .50 caliber for. If you're using scent block, the noise is secondary, since it will draw zeds to where you were rather than getting them to aggro you.
The CLEO sieges haven't been that bad after the 1st one. 1st one had a pair of juggernauts, but after that its mostly been a few ferals. Not sure if I'm just getting lucky there or what.
I haven't cern a flee per cell or any of the precision handguns..I'm thinking they nurfed them
Hi there, I've actually watched some of your videos before, but this is the one that made me to hit the suscribe button without a shadow of a doubt.
Well, the answer for your question is that there's actually a State of Decay 2 community focused on modding the game. Some of those mods allow you to complete Daybreak mode right after the intro scene, but sadly it won't count as like you've beaten the 7 rounds so you won't have the rewards nor the PP that a regular play would give you. There's another mod that gives you 65k PP for just completing the first wave. BUT the best mod that I think it balances all of this stuff, is the one which turns every PP cost into Influence cost.
I don't know if you are with or against the matter of modding games, but that is one I'd recommend you to test it. It could be really good material for a video if you find that it's actually much worth it. If it's so, you can find the discord link searching on google, unless you're there yet.
Greetings and keep the good job ^^
I tend to play games in their vanilla state. I use a few mods on World of Warcraft, but that's about it.
I think UL should be a lot more generous with the PP in Daybreak. I think the game mode is horrible.
I think they add daybreak stuff to regular game, change pp cost to influence and pretend the horde mode dont exist (too late to fix it) least this way they revive interest and the communitand prob make up some lost pr at same time
I have the DLC but haven't even played it yet. I watched your reviews, and decided that wasn't something worth me going after. I truly enjoy the original version. I have not even called for the independence day supply drops. Thanks for your honest opinion.
Yeah, I was growing bothered by feeling as if I was being too soft on Daybreak. I kept getting periodic comments with people grumbling about how much they don't like Daybreak, and I thought the 6.0 update was the perfect opportunity to raise the issue.
Doing daybreak once in a while can be useful, and not overwhelming boring.
How about the .22 uzi with Cleo accelerator
I gave the Cleo smg to one of my community members and bring them with me whenever I go out and about, they have unlimited ammo and are absolutely incredible with it.
Well since I don't have daybreak, i don't BUT I wish I had it ,sounds cool. I love this game
Some of the facilities and melee weapons aren't bad. I think the CLEO Mace might be the best all purpose blunt weapon in the game.
11:30 That Cleo heavy sniper is very sexy though...😍...My favorite guns are sniper rifles, especially bolt action ones. Yeah, they're slower to fire than their semi auto counter parts, but something just fascinates me about the bolt action mechanism. That chamber animation for C.H.S is so bada**! Love how the smoke shoots out the side. I don't love how i'm "Shooting PP" away though. 😆
You don't have to worry about it with the heavy sniper as much since it's pretty ammo efficient.
Thanks for this. Daybreak could be fun, but it needs a lot of love.
I'd be happy if they just un-nerfed the Red Talon agents, but this video hits the nail on the head.
Completely agree on this. I don't use the guns on my 2 main guys. But I do have Cleo guns on my other 7 community members. They just guard my base anyway. Really hope they add more to the mode and make Cleo ammo craftable without PP. Daybreak needs some love.
I have a feeling they will just abandon Daybreak except maybe add another way to gain PP.
It's a shame. I bet if they overhauled it they could sell more copies of Daybreak. I love the game mode. It just needs some variety, new unlocks, and a handful of adjustments to bring me back.
"...and not fire peepee at your opponents...". lol. The two of us watching both cracked up at this.
Another reason to not use Daybreak guns: they won't get you jailed for sexual harassment.
Everyone SHARE this video with undead labs. Send it to them, we need these changes. I agree with every single thing u said.
Truth be told, I was worried I was getting soft on the game and not addressing the Daybreak problem, but when patch 6.0 came out and tuned the CLEO Relay, I knew it was time to talk about Daybreak.
Will state of decay 2 ever get more CLEO Themed Facilities just like the CLEO Relay or is this the best we’re gonna get.
I have a feeling they won't be touching Daybreak except maybe creating missions to get prestige in the main game.
Bright spot in Daybreak: the zeds don't actually kill the character, which offers some no risk combat practice against them trying things, especially when rusty. Only the NPCs care.
It can, but I find the mode to be really laggy, and also the zombies don't behave the same way as they do in the normal game. They prefer and prioritize certain attacks more in Daybreak.
You sir, are absolutely correct.
Glad to see I'm not off-base with this.
Ugh! This is so frustrating, apparently the game refuses to give me more Red Talon Survivors but I only have 6 Survivors. I don’t get it, what is the current cap for survivors?
Think you can only request 4 per community
its a nice pick up n play if all you have is an hour to play. sometimes regular sod2 can get you side tracked too easily...
I have only tried daybreak a couple of times. Tho I said I would NEVER play it LOL I just wanted to see if it was as bad as I thought it would be and I was and You are correct, daybreak is terrible. I thought I would at least be able to keep the items I still had in my inventory after the technician dies, which happened both times I played since I hate people and will NEVER play on line. (That NEVER will never happen 👍) So, I just modded in 9999 prestige points. My time, my life (I'm old), is more important, I'm not wasting my time grinding for PP. I just wanted a RT with hacking, and I got that on my 1st call. Then I got the RT officers quarters & crafting station for the mines, that's it. Like you said, the weapons are not any better than what is already in the game. The RT operatives, are OK, they have a lot of negatives. When I get low on PP, I just "add" some more. I paid for the DLC, I should be able to use at least some of it. Stupid design, imo.
Edit: And I got the RT watchtower
I can't stand the mode. I'd rather just not play games than play Daybreak.
Daybreak is only worth it for a few RT soldiers or one of the couple good facilities. It should not cost prestige to craft Cleo consumables.
Completely agree. The necessity of having to leave your community to farm pp for ammo occasionally is very off putting. Smarter players have trader bases and convenience. Which is much preferred.
However. 1 thing you might want to reconsider. The single only thing of merit I could even consider 'considering' (lmao) is... that the 48 clap rounds from the crafting mod on the Cleo heavy sniper, is technically a efficient use of time. STRICTLY only with the heavy sniper, and ONLY if killing juggs.
This is because it takes 4 sniper shots to down a jug for finisher, and since in nightmare you can at best make only 8 50.ap rounds per ammo rucksack (175 influence) and can only get 3 ammo rucksacks every 50 or so minutes.. (that's basically rounded to 24 sniper rounds per hour, and 525 influence etc).. this does shine SOME light on the Cleo guns. Since, 48 rounds will get you 6 jug kills with the heavy, the same as a full hours worth of trade base converting . And assuming the cost is doubled, it woul only cost 4 ammo and some circuits. (So roughly 4-5 × 48 rounds per hour and 250 or so pp) it has just a small small amount of pay to win merit. Making starting a new nightmare game very easy if you buy a heavy sniper and crafting mod .
But, again. Having to re farm pp every 4 hours is utterly ridiculous. And it costing circuits aswell further solidifies my choice to stick with the old faithful timberwolf. So really the only merit to daybreak weapons is using the heavy sniper in early days on nightmare up until you have your community set up. And never using them again.
Side note, thank you for informing me about the bfg on community members, I have actually been trying to figure out what the best weapon to equip my community would be for the past week. I went from suppressed eternal gaurds, to devgru infiltrators with piercing to cleo blast rifles. And didnt once consider the bfg even tho I have 5 that I've never used. Cheers
I think BFGs and a few DevGrus would be best. The DevGrus give your awful AI allies' accuracy a better chance to hit ferals which they other can't hit. In Nightmare Zone, the CLEO guns can be a lot more useful since you don't have everything you want (if you're starting fresh). For example, you can buy the CLEO Assault Shotgun to equip your allies with automatic shotguns in the beginning of the game which would drastically improve their ability to kill ferals. You could also do this with the heavy sniper. You could equip your allies with it as a way to combat juggernauts. You could also use it yourself. Some of the deployables might have use in Nightmare Zone. The little minelettes that the minelayers make kill ferals in 1 hit, so it could be a way to counter the feral trios if you know in advance where they are.
However, it is still painfully boring to grind out the PP, and I eventually just gave up grinding more PP towards the end of my "Pay 2 Win" series. I just got enough PP to keep the CLEO transmitter available.
@@GitGudFox yeh 100 %, and that support mod is amazing aswell. It's just a shame it costs pp instead of influence. And yeh those minefields are okay? But for the cost, idk. Counter point is, imo ferals in nightmare arent actually that big of an issue. The 2 zombies I have a issue with are armored zombie horders and juggernaughts. Juggernaughts becuase their are so few efficient ways to kill them , and melee is so dangerous if you get grappled. And armored zombies becuase you cant 1 hit them with ranged weapons. As I run around with a repeater crossbow or a suppressed rifle.. every other zombie in the game is no threat, including ferals since gunslinging exists and seeing 3 ferals running at me is typically just 180 influence for free.
Do you think undead labs will ever adress some of these issues, because daybreak is a collosul failure in my eyes. Even they way the unlocks work, I finished my daybreak unlocks after 11 games, however I am now at game 25 and still havent finshed unlocking the last few items, it's so infuriating that after a perfect 45 minute daybreak i only unlock 1 item. Instead of 3. Completely agree aswell that daybreak should have had some scavenger type objective, where you could fortify or upgrade the walls, maybe make towers or make a building that makes ammo per minute or consumables. Perhaps 2 pop would defend the earlier waves while 2 scavenge, then layer on 3 and 1 , and in the last 2 waves all 4 defend.
I just equip Cleo SMG to a character that's just idle in my base the can usually clear a good chunk but themselves and you don't need to spend pp
awesome vid even if i found it late. one thing i would say, is the dependancy on other players. most the time you know your game over by wave 3 or 4. even harder by yourself. but i loooove this game and cant wait for juggernaut edition. i like the way undead listen and implement. free for added bonus. keep up the good work dude :) and fyi, eq was amazing back in the day lol :)
I still play it periodically on Project 1999 the classic EQ private server.
OOPS by siege I mean wave seven. Wave four is the normal death stroke.
I know this is really late, but day break reminds me of blitz from halo wars 2, one map, same thing over and over. Who's making these game modes
People who don't look before they leap. They should have known the game mode was going to be awful.
It has all the boring things about a horde mode and none of the innovations.
It has all the generic/boring things about SoD2 (the combat which is passable) but none of the unique things about SoD2 (the community, the base, the facilities etc).
I like to use the daybreak game mode as a sort of live traing/shooting range
I've heard people use it for that before though your option of weapons isn't too great.
The operators/soldiers are cool and some of the buildings you get from the mode are awesome. Thats the only reason to grind this lol
Undead Labs needs to see this video...
What a bad DLC. It's like paying $10 to unlock working at McDonalds.
How did you get the scope on the B50FG?
That should be standard on all BFGs.
For real? Last time I used one they all had iron sights. Unless I’m thinking of a different gun?
im shocked you didnt talk about how heavy the cleo guns was lol, also 1 stack of cleo ammo weighs 3.2 lbs
I still play Daybreak to this but not for the Cleo stuff its mostly for some prestige and just to have fun playing it for like an hour or two with friends
I drop in daybreak for a quick change from the main campaign (dont have the heartland yet). I am surpirsed that there is always a full group joining me.
So am I. It's always new players though, so I guess they don't know better.
@@GitGudFox Im one of the new players. Hehehe. Owned SoD2 for just a week. Just recently finished my first legacy card.
U r right on the daybreak..however I like firearms..so I play it..
I agree with you
I'm glad. UL needs to know that their DLC was poorly conceived.
I felt who came up with the Cleo guns needs a vacation even I prefer the base game's guns I just keep a Cleo gun in the trunk for juggernauts also they want you to grind but the PP caps out at 999 I didn't know that at first played mad games thinking I was stacking up was I wrong
It would be nice if when you completed a game you got 2 free Cleo drops to call in. No raids. And its 4 ammo clips and random consumables
I have the Daybreak DLC but play alone. The AI or bots are way too dumb for me to beat a siege. It takes forever to accrue any points and even longer to unlock anything...not worth the effort!
I definitely advise playing with others, even if they're randoms. Even if you don't communicate with them, they're better than AI.
I don't know the AI has helped me a lot more in some situations
@@jakefox589 ikr I could consistently beat daybreak with just the dumb AI's lol Just requires a bit of strategy and planning
@@edxander7169 how do you manage me and the AI i get to round 4 and die I can't play online internet is so shit
very nice and true opinion, i have unlocked all the cleo stuff ive tried all the stuff in my base and my honest opinion is i only use the bunkhouse for 5 beds in a small slot, the weapons are useless because u always have to carry more ammo which uses up inventry slots, i just use my 150 round ak which allows me to use all 8 slots to carry stuff. to sum up daybreak its ok untill u unlock everything then thats it i only play now up too round 3 then quit and i usually get around 300 which i use to buy the malee weapons, land mines.
I pretty much never played it again after I unlocked all the stuff. I still play it periodically to gather video footage, but I rarely voluntarily play it. The grind to unlock everything really burned me out on it.
@@GitGudFox 3 months later are you still burntout on daybreak? I must be the odd one out because ill play daybreak with my friends even when i have max prestige and all unlocks which means i get no reward at all.
I'm having to force myself to play it and I feel god awful about it lol XD I want to like it... It's State of decay?.... I'm trying but it's probably the most worst DLC game mode I've ever played lol... It's just not worth it.. I can't even win 1 game (Solo'ing)
I don't think it's a good idea to force yourself to like entertainment.
I know this is an old post... but just use community editor and you dont have to do any of the horrible daybreak nonsense... which is what i did... did like 3-4 runs of daybreak and already had enough of it but wanted those cool facilities so just used the editor for them... also the guns arent good enough to justify playing that gamemode to use them..
I definitely agree with you on Daybreak needing more than one map and zombie attack patterns for Seige.
Ever since the 6.0 patch update made most of the CLEO guns lighter I have no problem grinding in Daybreak.
Since the 6.0 update after getting past ingame day 28 I definitely use the CLEO guns & CLEO ammo from the Daybreak traders since Juggernauts, Ferals, and larger hordes appear more frequently.
After ingame 100 CLEO ammo is my back up when I'm low on ammo reserves, I rather buy CLEO ammo if I'm having a hard time searching for ammo for my calibur presses.
After ingame Day* 100
@@Skeensh3 The last few unlocks in Daybreak really damaged my interest in the mode to the point that I'd much sooner just change maps to repopulate ammunition stock than grind Daybreak. I jump in once in a while, and I'm glad that I do have specific CLEO items like the mace, but the items I enjoy are the ones that don't require restocking on PP.
Git Gud Fox
I switched maps two times so far. The ingame days don't reset when you move it goes higher if it's the same playthrough.
On higher days I favor the Daybreak mines (or rely on any mines I can find) whenever I see a juggernaut that half the time mix with hordes or a feral.
Even though there still places to scavenge bullets I still tend to buy CLEO ammo from the Daybreak traders.
Wait. This doesn’t make any sense. Why isn’t there a Red Talon Infirmary? Do they just kill their sick and injured?
Hes spitting straight faxs
I hate Daybreak.
If they just did a complete re-make of daybreak and made it infiltrating a random map of the three to choose from to kill a set amount of zombies, plague hearts etc. get supply drops here and there while doing it, and then having a huge escape goal with a giant horde trying to kill you, then i think it would probably be worth playing. Make it radomly generated what map gets picked, where you start at, how many zombies, plague hearts or both that you have to kill, maybe even sometimes fight hostile resistance NPC that hate red talon or something like that, then ultimately at the end call an evac and have a holdout moment in the area your calling for evac, that’d be pretty cool in my opinion. There’s just a shitload of cool things they could have done, but they instead gave us this garbage
Daybreak is something I should talk about more at length some time. It's such a piece of crap in its current state.
I know it's a late reply but, I just wanted to say: WARFRAME! Warframe is quality. I dunno why I love it to the extent I do but I love hearing from fellow fans. Tip of the hat to you, Fox!
Every community I start I try to get ATLEAST 1 Red Talon character just for heavy lifting but ffs I’m so glad I can just transfer characters
I've spend PP for 2 RT characters... period. I can't bother playing Daybreak to get them.
As a long time hardcore state of decay player,I agree that daybreak is too tedious, not good gameplay, and oh boy i have a lot to say about it. A biiig issue in addition to all the things you mentioned is that joining another player's daybreak lobby is laggy as hell and this is a big problem for me because nobody ever joins when I host. ( I rarely lag on every other game i play) here are a lot of thoughts after grinding through daybreak for a while, maybe you can relate to some.
Daybreak is really not fun and a chore to solo, but I have soloed it before using a strategy but its even more tedious and involves constantly running around doing EVERYTHING for 40 or so whole minutes because the ai partners are really useless
Playing with randoms is really painful because 1. the lag is so bad it is crippling even during the better matches and makes the zombies buggy 360 attacks even worse 2. randoms can either make daybreak really easy if everyone (or atleast most the players) know how to play, it is not hard at all but often times people will not know key things and get the technician killed..
it frustrates me to no end when randoms:
1. take repair kits but forget to use them which can doom the team
2. they use basic melee for entire waves and they really dont pull their weight because they kill too slow, the agents in daybreak mode are not good enough at melee to warrant spam melee unless vs jug (blast rifle better still) in short, people who spam melee the whole time are detriment to the team imo except maybe not if they use that mace you use, it is actually good but other weapons are just badd
3. they take all the ammo and waste it with full auto weapons and have bad aim (part of this may be the terrible lag)
4. they take minefields, the most important item in daybreak imo and either forget to use them or deploy them on the wrong side of the wall
5. they hoard all the bandages and forget to use them on the technician
6. when people waste multiple repair kits on yellow walls
the problems are so bad that my strategy is to stash the important items by dropping them in a corner and praying nobody finds them so I can properly use them when the time is right to win the game (wave 5 is most important) and also a tip to anyone who is trying to grind but is lagging, try using the wolverine shotgun for early waves since its spread will still swiftly kill through the lag ( I personally spawn in with a blast rifle, stash it secretly and take the shotgun from one of the bins until wave 5)
really like your state of decay 2 content git gud fox, useful information and nightmare mode playthroughs :D
One of the problems I have is that once people leave, you can't get people to stay. No one wants to join at wave 6 and stay. They immediately leave since every wave rewards a similar amount of PP. You basically join in at wave 6 to do more work for the same PP, so they just bail out which makes finishing the game harder.
@@GitGudFox Dang that is annoying too. Personally since I join others most of the time, if I see a team is at wave 6 I stay because it gives me some confidence that they are not noobs and i hope they play another round, i feel like this is a smart way to think when joining since some days its hard to find competent people to play.
Might need to revisit this again or make a comment did a full day break session have all the rewards unlocked and I got a total of 1,500ish? Possibly 1600 maaaybe 1700 though 1700 feels right prestige points, certainly much higher amount rewarded than before.
Another thing on the cleo relay, the general drop costs with a mix of a random gun, ammo and a explosive or incendiary items, 512 prestige, while the cleo ammo drop only cost 512 (influence) now for a whole load of cleo ammo.
Certainly cleo guns and possible cleo lethals are viable and not to costly to sustain now with the above changes.
Yeah they revisited the rewards output like a year later.
I only grinded for my warlord leader and my main three guys to have Cleo maces
The mace is pretty good. I use it regularly in the Nightmare Zone.
Grinded DB for ~10 hours to unlock some shit. Downloaded a community editor the next day and found out I didn’t have to do _any_ of that mindnumbing grinding.
Yes
completely agree daybreak needs some kind of update/change and the cleo system needs fixing cuz rn it is crap
CLEO Heavy sniper is weaker than .50 rifle. Both can take a jugg in 4 -5 shots. But to destroy a plague heart, heavy sniper needs 8 shots (16 CLEO rounds) and .50 can do it only by 6 shots (Normal Zone).
Just wanted to thank you for the hard work you put into each video , making us n00bz in to pros!!!
Hey thanks, the true test begins tomorrow though! I gotta get my recording equipment ironed out.
Daybreak is a classic example of bad DLC I'd elaborate but it should be obvious. What's frustrating is there are soo many ways to improve it, I think the dev team for it were lazy or maybe only had a month to put it together.
That avg to 2 PP each round exactly made worse by fact you gotta do alot of grinding just to unlock relay, srly how did they think Daybreak was okay?
Very late but I think one solution would be to implement more ways to earn prestige. Through campaign mode. They could put in daily and weekly challenges that reward prestige.
A lot of people just hack their prestige because it's such a pain to play the game.
@@GitGudFox they need to add more content... especially more maps with the daybreak game mode and more weapons and options to use would make the game mode more fun. The gane feels very empty then again they are probrably really busy developing SOD3.
Thing is that UL has spent most of the 4 years making cosmetics: the Bounty Broker took about a year to fully complete all of their bounty broker packs which ultimately were skins, and then each of the new maps took about 7 months to create, and the maps are also... skins. It's still the same game just with different scenery.
It does "play to it's weaknesses". A lot of the grind could be forgiven, such if you buy the workbench and you were able to craft ammo for the CLEO guns without having to pay points and a lot of things aren't needed, like cluster mines in the base game, even in nightmare. They are fun to use, but I'm not going to go spend hours in daybreak for a minute of fun.
I can't stand the mode. It feels like actual work playing it.
@@GitGudFox What's really bad about the mode is the players. A lot of players who couldn't hit the side of a barn try to stay behind the barricade, and so many people just blow through ammo like they have an unlimited supply. Time after time I seen people get the fully automatic riffle with a 100 rounds and try to blow a crowd of zombies away. of course they generally hit nothing because with that gun the cross hairs expand. Too many people go after the Juggies, when they come you really need someone to stay on top of the bloater zombies, left unchecked they will pin you behind the the barricade or end up dying in the gas.
This game mode should have just been a new story map and after clearing it you could find Red Talon and their weapons on ur communities
Unfortunately, they tried that with Heartland, but the result wasn't too impressive.
Git Gud Fox That was still better.. than this at least
They both have their faults. The problem with Heartland is that there's no rewards. If Heartland had the same game + rewards like Daybreak, it would have been decent.
Git Gud Fox isn’t that what I said they should have done and you said that was Heartland
They already had a concept for that mode. They could have just made lifeline again but with a red talon reskin
I like the Daybreak mode sometimes.
Is Daybreak winnable as a single player? I mean, its not always that I find other players, and I have so far not been able to beat it on my own (Sure, I get 2 mediocre NPC's, but the AI is dumb as ever).
What happens if we dont find other players to help out in Daybreak? We end up having to grind only the first four-five waves then restart again and again?
And personally I only play Daybreak to get the CLEO soldiers, I dont care about the weapons. ^^
It is. There is an achievement for getting to round 6 solo. It would just be a huge amount of effort for the same reward. Having even 1 person to guard the side of the wall you're not on can be just as good as having 4 people. I don't know what UL plans to do if Daybreak winds up dying out for match making.
The only time you need cluster mines and other explosives is while playing daybreak. A few of the explosives don't pan out, by the time you throw them the jugg has moved and you have that small delay before you explode them. Even the CLEO guns don't have much of a purpose in the base game besides being able to get through the armor of a riot zombie. I don't want to say the devs did anything diabolical, there is no microtransations which is a good thing. I think they wanted to bring in red talon soldiers, and this seemed to be the way to do it because using regular influence would be to easy. Daybreak feels like it was thrown together, how many times have you seen bloaters and juggs can stuck on the rock cluster on the left of the fort. I unlocked everything, but paying for ammo, guns, and bombs every time you use one is nonsense.
I have used them in Nightmare Zone to kill ferals since each small mine can 1-hit a feral, but they do require a bit of a setup.
I'm grinding the Prestige but for Red talon soldiers want to get a community of 8
You must have some drive! Maybe I would too, but I play other grindy games on top of SoD2.
There are a total of 51 unlockables (If you count the fact that you have to get the weapons in daybreak before the main game) and if each full runthrough gives you 3, then to get all the unlockables, you have to play the mode 17 times. And if each play is approximately 1 hour, then to get everything it will take 17 hours. And by that point you'll have about 17,000 prestige. And you'll probably use up about 5,000 to 10,000 prestige to get all the weapons and facilities. So you'll have around 7 to 12 grand left. Which will get you about 3500-6000 rounds of Cleo ammo. I mean, for 17 hours, it doesn't seem too bad. And if you play once a day, then in 17 days, you could have everything plus some ammo. Of course, assuming you win every time and get all 3. Also, I'm assuming that all the red talon facilities are a buy once, keep forever sort of thing but I could be wrong. Also, this is just for one community but still it ain't too bad.
The problem is that the game throws a wrench in the estimates.
At about 50% collection completion, the game takes 1 of your unlocks away per game, so if you won 3 unlocks, you now won only 2.
At about 75% collection completion, the game takes away 2 of your unlocks per game, so if you won 3 unlocks, you now only won 1.
What's more is that you MUST get the other "taken away" unlocks to get your unlock. In other words, if you were 75%+ done and you got your wave 3 unlock then left, you'd get no unlocks. If you got your wave 3 and 5 unlocks and failed, you'd get no unlocks. If you jumped in late during wave 6 and got only the wave 7 unlock, you'd get 0 unlocks.
You need to get all 3 unlocks to get even 1 unlock at the end of the progression.
Nothing feels worse than being at the end of the collection where you basically have to play an entire game, and win, to get 1 unlock, and then you lose on wave 6 or 7 meaning you literally wasted about 40-45 minutes to get no unlocks.
There's no safety net, no bad luck protection, nothing. And you're playing the same shitty game mode over and over again, and most of the experienced players are already done and gone leaving you either with the awful AI or noobs who are just learning how to play and can't hold their weight.
In addition to this, if you have a player who drops out, you're probably not going to get anyone else.
Since you MUST play a full game to get even 1 unlock, if someone jumps in to reinforce you at wave 4+ (past when you can get all 3 unlocks), they're just going to leave because helping you isn't going to get them an unlock.
So the system encourages people to just abandon you immediately if you aren't able to get them all of their unlocks meaning you're probably screwed if 1 person leaves.
@@GitGudFox wait? Are you kidding me? It does that? I'm only at about 40% completion so I haven't come across that yet. But damn, that sucks.
Unless they've updated it, and no one has told me they've updated it, that's how it worked when I unlocked my Daybreak set. To complete the original Daybreak facilities review, I slaved hours upon hours to finish the collection ASAP to create a guide ahead of the curve.
It burned me out of SOD2 so much that I took a month off.
I'm sure you'll be able to tell me if anything has changed after you've completed the collection.
Warframe you say? a man of tastes I see.
As for the CLEO thing. Honestly haven't even got the DLC. Didn't seem all that appealing when I learned what it was. Looking here, the weapons seem a wee bit pointless as well. Head shots are indeed effective with any weapon. Plus you can just hop in a vehicle and play a quick round of bumper cars. Maybe if these guns and ammo had an added trait. Like Undead Labs continues with the whole plague zombie idea, but adds in stages. Normal weapons take longer to kill those stages, but these weapons and ammo make it easier. Weaponry to combat the progressing infection type stuff. Outside of a simple bullet and bumper.
Granted I doubt many want to feel like they would need to buy the DLC to continue to be effective. But there are ways around that I suppose. Ah well, just a thought.
I think the best way to fix the CLEO guns is to make their ammunition not cost PP. What Undead Labs wants is to create a necessity to go into Daybreak to keep the game mode populated, but they're doing it in a way that is bad for the game by forcing you to do something you likely don't want to do. I doubt I will ever play Daybreak unless I need footage for a video.
My advice to undead labs get rid of the pp expenditures on the crafting station and Cleo relay, that would make them worth it.
That would help quite a bit. PP for ammo is awful.
They should have done what the heartland dlc did and made it cost influence.
I tried Daybreak for the first time a few days ago and thought it was pretty terrible. Its super boring in single player and super laggy in multiplayer (Im in Australia).
I'd have loved to unlock the Red Talon sniper tower (it looks so cool), but its just too much work.
My friend was confused when he heard state of decay 2 chat with warframe gameplay 😅
Did I cut away to Warframe in this episode? It's so long ago I can't remember.
I have all the time I need cus its the holidays until from 2 weeks from now lol
I don't know if that time would be best invested in Daybreak.
@@GitGudFox but it might be a good investment to get the bunkroom because the lounge on steroids is a counter to the -5 morale penalty
I have the DLC. Finished 40 or so Daybreak episodes. Its fun with friends but I dont play it for CLEO ammo. I dont use CLEO ammo cause it makes me play Daybreak to use it. I play for RT members in my community.
I dont fell your vid is negative. It was honest, straight to the point and you also said "why" ( with examples of "why").
If you said, its just stupid and I dont like it then....it makes me think you ( not you ) will have life issues ya whole life, just like you do now. * grins * Those vids / people are shallow just like the person that made it.
I think it sounded more negative in my head when I was recording it. It didn't sound bad the following day when I was editing the voice over. I'm also used to the comment sections of other RUclipsrs where people flip their shit the moment someone says something bad about it.
@@GitGudFox It was spot on. I have always been a SoD fan, since 2 weeks after xbox 360 release. I have traveled to Seattle just to visit UL studio. I am a super fan but found your video honest and tasteful. Like I stated in another comment, you also used examples. Grind vs other grinds, spot on. CLEO ammo vs cost vs time vs rewards, spot on.
As always, thanks for taking the time to make these vids. I do enjoy them. Stay safe and game on!
PS. I did play ESO. It has some grind to it also.
@@GitGudFox It is truly unfortunate that we now live in a world where honest constructive criticism causes people to loose their shit. If something sucks then it sucks. We are adults now and the kid picking dandelions in center field as a ball travels over their head doesn't deserve the same exact trophy at the end of the year as the all star shortstop that gave 100% all season long and earned it. Everything you said about Daybreak was spot on and constructive criticism may get Undead labs to fix more problems for those of us willing to drop coin on DLC. By the way we don't look fat in those pants...we are simply fat.
@@yukikodavila4907 Well, I've certainly learned that age doesn't change human nature. I remember reading over a year ago this psychological study that suggested challenges on core beliefs causes mental duress on the same level as physical threat to your life, the brain reacts to it similarly. This is obviously not that case, but it can be reasonable to think an attack on a less important belief but still a belief would result in the same kind of reaction one would have to someone threatening you in real life.
I’m a simple man he mentions warframe I like. Lol but seriously I don’t use any of the day break crap it’s so tedious to leave my current game mode join another unrelated game mode to get prestige to only go back to the game mode that’s actually fun and spend it all and have to fucking leave again to get more it’s so annoying
I was debating doing a F2P series of Warframe on PC where I build up without buying any platinum. Thank you for watching my guide!
I agree daybreak is not fun. The best part is playing with a friend. I know I really enjoyed playing with you (🦊) but even that is not that great. As you can join a friend's game or have them join yours and do so much more!
Yeah, I was going to bring up the idea that it could be fun with friends, but the truth is that a lot of things are fun with friends. Friends can make a dull thing fun.
@@GitGudFox i agree that the cleo weapons kind of suck,but i like the daybreak mode itself. I love any kind of horde mode, and in that regard,daybreak isnt any better or worse than your average hordemode on any other game. I do feelsbad for people who dont like it but are forced to play it if they want cleo items
This points to something that bugs me about the game, there is a wide range of calibers but really all they variation does is require you constantly collect ammo to try and get what you need for the weapons you have. They might as well just had generic ammo for pistols and rifles, just as with shotguns, since the caliber used seems to be meaningless.
Thanfully I finally found the pistol and rifle ammo bench mods which makes this a little less of an issue
It's because of bodyshots. You can't kill zombies with bodyshots, so all that matters is hitting the head. It doesn't matter if you hit their head with the world's tiniest bullet or a humongous round. In the end, a head shot is a head shot.
@@GitGudFox Exactly, which is why it can be annoying, especially early on when you only have a few different caliber weapons, which of course means if you use the guns you have you will run low of ammo.
For example I had tons of .45 of .357 ammo, but no weapon for them for the longest time, but barely had more then a few dozen 9mm available, and over 50% of my firearms were 9mm.
Which raises a question, is there a way to unload a firearm, so I can use the ammo loaded in them without breaking the gun down?
There is. I think it's the Y button on console. I don't know what it is on PC though.
Git Gud Fox thanks. I know you can close the door manually, and I think they stay open until you close them if zombies break in, but when I'm running in and out for things sometimes they close on their own after a few seconds, of course this is if I didn't close it, but others they will stay open until I close them. Maybe it's just a glitch, but I wasn't sure if I was missing something.
Two final questions, for now at least, sorry to be such a PITA. I'm set up in the fenced in warehouse, have 7 survivors and 5 outposts, power, water, ammo, fuel and one with two beds. I've got 47 fuel, plus an backpack, but am at -1 a day, 47 materials with 6 backpacks, and -2 a day, ammo at around 40 and -1 a day, food and meds are both around 20, but I'm now actually at +3-4 meds and +6 food a day and my survivors morale in great, it's halfway up the green section. My base has tier 3 infirmary, command post, workshop, warehouse and garden, two hydrponic gardens, a sniper tower, a top tier guard tower and a fancy barracks. Once I switched from a base generator to an outpost for power, and added the second hydrponics suddeny the base is almost on cruise control (i also found a trader with a pistol and rifle ammo press so now ammo for them isn't an issue either.) the only change i plan currently is chaning the second hydroponics to herbs once I build up a bit more food so I can start mass producing bulk plague cures to rebuild my influence, which these changes wiped out.
So my first question is, I've only got 3 or maybe 4 plague hearts left, and whatever the builder legacy quests are, and still haven't finished looted out the area I'm in, so is there a reason to move to the lumbermill or fire station, unless it's to be in those areas for easier looting? Or should I just finish the game where I'm at, then start over with the builder boon!
Second, one if my survivors has shown as "busy" for at least three in game days, and I can't find her around my base. I've searched online to see what it means but haven't seen a definitive answer, mainly just quesses and speculation, and most responses contradict the previous person's reason for it. Any idea?
Thanks again for all your help, it's really appreciated, also thank you for all your great videos, they are not only fun and entertaining, but extremely helpful.
If you're completing a legacy to unlock its legacy boon, then I typically just try to end that playthrough as quickly as possible. I don't worry about optimizing the base unless I plan to play that particular save file for a really long time.
Before I played daybreak, I thought the facilities were meant to be built in daybreak.
Too bad they aren't. It might have made Daybreak a funner mode.
I played Daybreak a couple times and I hate it. I agree with everything you said about Daybreak in this video because I’ve played many hours of the Division and I love the grind. The DLC in this game has been pathetic. I love the base game, but I can’t stand what they’ve done with locking items behind DLC.
Yes, this is a poorly conceived game mode. I suspect Undead Labs hope that this would be some kind of "end game" content since SoD2 doesn't really have an end game per se, but this was clearly an improper use of resources. You can't possibly combine a highly repetitive grind with stingy rewards and expect to get a positive result from it. They should have just created something like "Red Talon Influence" and added special Red Talon missions in the base game. Then, you wouldn't feel so divorced from your progression in the base game. You wouldn't have this feeling of "OKAY, time to stop doing what I want to do and start doing what Undead Labs wants me to do."
Timber wolf can kill a juggernaut in 6 hits
4-5, all the 50 cal weapons down juggernauts in 4 hits and you can either execute them manually or shoot them in the head for a kill on 5.
It's honestly sad that metal gear survive did a multiplayer horde mode better than sod
Yeah, most horde modes are better than Daybreak.
The Daybreak stuff you get in the main game should not cost Prestige to use. I'm not grinding 3 hours of Daybreak to buy something and then another 3 hours grinding to be able to use it. But I can see myself putting a Cleo Heavy Sniper and a couple of Cleo Blast Rifles on idle survivors up in my Red Talon Watchtower.
The rate of PP is awful. 1000PP an hour is just bad... and that's if you win. You could also lose.
Daybreak would have been good if you unlocked everything and then were done with it, then you had access to all the stuff in the main game.
If Daybreak payed 3000PP a game, I'd play it.
Only if you could get prestige points from regular play
The best way to get them is to group up with others. There's a few people in my Discord who play: discord.gg/GitGudFox
Just check the State of Decay 2 section and look for the sun emoji which is the Daybreak section.
The only reason I enjoy daybreak is because I play ear rape at max speaker volume while my friend laughs his ass off
Better watch your ears. You can suffer hearing damage from prolonged exposure to high decibel sounds. It's why I make sure none of my videos break the audio processing threshold on any of my videos.
Git Gud Fox true true
Git Gud Fox I only do with that one friend. I don’t make others suffer
I only got the daybreak weapons because I want ALL THE WEAPONS!
It's possible to mod the game to unlock everything and gain 99,999 prestige.
Not recommended as some one with 1-2 games in the daybreak, ran out of meds due to rubber banding zeds hitting me even when hosting.
I wished to get the talon gear like in Fox's LP's so I can have a better optimized layout of certain bases/more outposts, but not gana spend all that time on ONE extra outpost some better moral and beds office/latrine combo nor the passive repair of gear. "witch is nice at times"
It's really painful to grind through Daybreak.
the daybreak system is outrageous. at point instead of recieving 3 daybreak rewards i recieved 1 and 125 prestige...
It's really awful. There is no reason for it other than to try and force you to play it more.
@@GitGudFox iv'e been grinding for 4 days and i have not finished collecting all the daybreak items
You're right, Daybreak Mode is a boring, unimaginative grind. I want to use all the items in the game, since I paid for the content, but everything is too expensive and not enough prestige points gained after wasting at minimum 2 hours to have enough points for anything decent. I learned to just forget about that content because I'd rather have fun with what I've got.
What's more is the game mode is just senselessly abusive and starts to take your fairly earned rewards away as you progress farther into unlocking all the items.
I use the melee weapons but other than that I don’t use Cleo weapons
Pretty much the same thing I do. The melee weapons aren't half bad. I also like the way they look.
Same.... I just played a daybreak game this morning and it’s just old I don’t think imma get all of the rewards for it it’s just boring!
@@logandevore9560 I wouldn't blame you. Did you know they even start taking your rewards away the further along you get? When you get to about 50% completion, your first unlock becomes +50PP instead of a new item unlock. At 75% completion, your 2nd unlock becomes +75PP. That means... towards the end of your progression, you have to do a full 7 waves just to unlock 1 more item.
Git Gud Fox hahaha yep I know lol I already have that issue with the first one being 50
Now I’m going for the watchtower then I’m not playing daybreak for a while