Weapon Handling vs. Assault vs. Sharpshooting vs. Gunslinging (which is best!?)
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- Weapons Handling!
Assault!
Sharpshooting!
Gunslinging!
There are 4 advanced shooting skills, but what do they do and which are the best? Find out in this shooting skills analysis!
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THE GUN IS GOOD.
@@jxemama THE SUB IS GOOD! Lol, I'm glad the video was helpful or entertaining.
@@jxemama Tradeskills? I don't think there are any ways to respec your tradeskill yet. Whatever the character has, they're stuck with. You would have to kick someone out of your community and completely replace them to choose new tradeskills.
@@jxemama I think I have an Independence review, but it is mixed with the Independence announcement.
The content is gud :)
Subbed for the Zardoz reference tho; fine work!
@@geroffmilan3328 First viewer to recognize the movie. Maybe I should have included Sean Connery shooting the viewer at the end of the intro.
Gunslinger plus energy drink equ- wait, where'd the horde go?
Or stimulants if you need to wipe out a town of zombies.
My favorite class setup is Marathon for no cost running, discipline for more light capacity, and gunslinger. I shoot and sprint and dodge until I get my stamina back.
Instant John wick at this point
You should re-do these. The weapon handling skill is perfect for a new community in nightmare zone. saves a lot of parts!
I plan on doing Nightmare versions of all the skills.
Very late to this party, but I agree with Michael. Even before all the DLC, addtions, and tweaks to the gameplay and additons of dread and nightmare zones, Weapon Handling saved a lot of headache in the broken weapon department. Pre-crossbow introduction, Wepaon Handling was mandatory on most of any community I had.
I choose weapon handling now 80% of the time after becoming more experienced. Previously I figured I would just repair like you said but the biggest headache of all I having a gun break when you need it most.
I agree, with the new echo weapons added to the bounty broker I usually use weapon handling and scouting to reduce damage to my guns by 50%.
Even without nightmare mode, our non-automatic guns were jamming all the freaking time making this an excellent skill to have.
Snap shot has the best synergy for any fight. 6 Zombies become 2 in a matter of seconds then you just clean up. One shot Ferals is worth it by itself. Gunslinger is king.
It's definitely my favorite of the shooting skills though I don't use the aim snap too frequently as I typically shoot from beyond the range of the aim snap or am fighting in melee combat. I always pick it for the faster reloading first and foremost.
@@GitGudFox There's a huge difference between using a controller or mouse/keyboard for this game, especially for the gunplay. The aim snap will be incredibly useful for a controller, but doesn't give any benefit for the mouse.
Snap is good for NPC fights as well
I prefer gun-slinging, IMO its the best active skill for shooting. All of my "Adventure" characters all have gunsllinger, which increases confidence in a survivor running about alone.
I have a very strict gun control
Policy: if there's a gun around,
I want to be in control of it.
PS
Great Video 🙂
Sound like you're the Warlord leader type.
valruhn blaauw - Clint Eastwood
You didnt cover the fact that weapon handling fixes any weapon when its broken, and can be done multiple times before you eventually have to repair the weapon again. Weapon handling has major value on long looting runs or plague busting. It doesnt just fix a "jammed" weapon,it makes all broken weapons fireable again.
It's because jammed and broken are basically similar terms. In fact, I don't even think Undead Labs should have used the word "jammed" because mechanistically it just means damaged. Weapons Handling repairs damaged weapons. That is the correct wording of it, but I chose to use Undead Labs' terms.
@@GitGudFox it doesnt completely repair it tough you still if you want repair with parts
Gunslinging is by far the best shooting ability available to any survivor. I'm hoping to see a more in depth skill progression in state of decay 3 for all skills.
Undead Labs are pretty terrible at designing interesting and complex mechanics, so I expect SoD3 to be similarly shallow to SoD2 where it isn't hard to clearly figure out what's best and 2nd best.
@@GitGudFoxDamn that's harsh... I think the mechanics, especially combat, are actually very well made in my opinion. Who am I tho.. I'm not a RUclipsr at all so I can't prove that. But I do have 25-30 years of gaming experience, playing tournaments before e-sports was a thing, partially retired because my eyes lose vision once in a while from all the screen time.
Wear blue-light reducing glasses...they've taken my inability to play anymore down to an ability to play again sometimes.
I love weaponhandling, free gun repair at zero part cost. Guns break all the time, doesnt need to be full auto “jam” and weaponhandling fixed it. At least have one person in your community to fix your guns. Great vid man!!
I can't say that has been my experience. This was the first time I've had a weapon jam in my going on 400 hours of gameplay. I also had to specifically go out of my way to cause a jam to occur just for this video.
I could see the value of having 1 member of your community as your designated weapons handler though. I might even do that myself.
Git Gud Fox bro, go ahead and grab all of your broken guns in your locker, and then equip each one on your weaponhandler. Hit your trigger.
@@BrianBarry34 Ah, I see the issue. If you visited my locker, you wouldn't find a single broken gun in sight. I never allow my weapons to break. Sometimes my melee weapons break, but I've never had a gun break or jam until this video.
Git Gud Fox oh well go ahead and grab something like a small handgun (non revolver) like an G17. They break fairly easily. You can see what I’m saying about the repair cost being free. I usually never repair guns before they break. Worth checking out :)
@@BrianBarry34 I see what you're saying now. You're saying that you intentionally use guns until they break to activate the Weapons Handling ability and repair them for free. That makes more sense. The way I initially translated you was that you were implying your weapons just broke down all the time for no reasons, but they break for a specific reason. They break because you intentionally break them to repair them for free.
I really enjoy Fox’s videos. They are always very analytical and informative. Keep up the good work!
I'm glad to hear that. Sometimes I wonder if SoD2 is too basic to need analysis, but people seem to like it.
Weapon handling saves you because you can Unjam guns
It's probably worth it to have 1 handler for repairs.
agreed in the middle of a heated fight, the last thing you want to be worrying about, is if your gun is going to jam, this removes that scare factor.
I'm over here using a CLEO Mace and Sledgehammer. This man just killed a feral by curb stomping his ass faster than I can with a weapon!
Weapons Handling can be useful early game, especially when your RNG gives you few parts, fragile firearms, and a more-than-usual bad first week.
In one of my most recent playthroughs, my survivors found 2 KSG shotguns and barely a hundred parts in their first few days in the Valley. Even scrapping surplus melee weapons was hard to maintain them, since the KSG's the most fragile shotty in the game, breaking down roughly every 40 shells, or nearly three full magazines. So in pragmatic desperation, my first leveled-up shooter got Weapons Handling to squeeze out the last two shell to finish of the third mag and even a fourth and fifth round of 12-gauge shells.
And it paid off; One time I was killing a Plague Heart, my KSG jammed and several Plague Zombies and a Feral were charging in to prevent me from killing the Heart, but sheer luck and good timing allowed my charrie to fix her KSG juuust long enough to blast away a charging feral and get two more rounds into the Heart, popping it and nearly crashing my XB1 from the 10+ Plague Zombies ragdolling all around.
So if you start a new game, especially in Dread or Nightmare Mode, Weapon Handling can literally save your favourite survivor from getting mobbed.
It can. I tend to just use crossbows though since they don't suffer durability damage.
I just don't know how you only have 645 subs dear Lord man you put a lot of time and your videos are awesome great job brother I been playing the game for awhile and had not seen the weapons abilities this close before, I use weapon handling almost in all my toons cause for some reason my weapons kind it jam fairly quickly but I think I am going to try gunslinging and sharpshooting more.
I think that's because of 2 things.
1) Weapons Handling is always an option... even if your character only gets a single advanced shooting skill... it's going to be Weapons Handling, so picking Weapons Handling is always an option.
2) Weapons Handling has the most obvious effect: you save parts. The other skills may be unclear as to how valuable they are to you while it's easier to visualize saving parts.
Humans have this tendency we call "risk aversion" which is a psychological thing that causes us to fear the pain of loss more than love the joy of gains. That is to say if a coin flipping game caused you to gain $5 on correct guesses and lose $5 on incorrect guesses, you probably wouldn't play because risk aversion dislikes even odds for loss.
ANYWAYS, the point I'm trying to raise is that risk aversion would naturally cause us to gravitate towards "safe picks" with obvious effects we can see the value in. The other perks don't seem as attractive until their value is clearly explained.
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@@GitGudFox nice perspective. I´d like to add: Weapon Handling is a good choice for beginners -> no real active to know how to use except saving my ass by reloading/fixing the gun i forgot to repair.....again. (Maybe you remember having parts issues before u learned to kill Zeds in parts friendlier ways than running them over or beating the crab out of them.) Once i grew accustomed to the game mechanics and started to develop my strategies and my own playstyle, the experimenting started too. I ended up with sharpshooting and shotguns as a way to get rid of all the followers i tend to acquire. Which brings me to my conclusion that each player will have to find out his own playstyle and the best skills to use. You testing different weapens (fighting styles) and comparing skill users vs non skill users provides really good data and definetly inspired me to try out more ways. You haven´t sen a working lawnmower by any chance?
21k.. this exponential curve looks familiar
3 words. "Red Talon Opritive." :3
You got me wanting to change my favorite and oldest played character from assault to sharpshooting over the shotgun points.
I never use it in Nightmare Zone since I don't want to fire a shotgun in NZ except in specific situations, but it would be pretty useful when a ton of zombies appear.
I think on console, gunslinging is easily supreme to any other ability on an individual survivor level. Ferals are easily a bigger threat on console than on PC and on higher difficulty game modes, shotguns are quite hard to come by, let alone shotgun ammo itself. When you’re relying on .22 and 9mm gunslinging is very easily the best, especially on console.
Now I’ve not played PC but I’d suspect sharpshooting on PC may be slightly better or at least have its place when it comes to specialisation.
I think weapon handling is actually the best. I disagree with you on this one
I almost always go weapon handling. Repairing is super expensive, and every gun can break/jam except revolvers, bolts, and xbows. I used to only use those types of weapons, which saves a lot of headaches, but suffers from slow ROF, or Reload, or both, but are reliable and cheap to operate. However, with weapon handling, I can take any ol piece, even if its yellow and ready to jam, I don't care, I just watch my shots for that jam so I'm not caught in a bad situation with a yellow weapon.
Gunslinging and weapon handling are my favourite. I got the red talon guys only so they all know both 😎
I haven't tried any of those guys yet. I got pretty burned out of Daybreak grinding out the unlocks for the facility video.
The gun is good lol. What film is that? I watched that as a kid
Zardoz, Sean Connery is in it which is wild.
I been going all weapon handling. Since neighbors are so demanding I end up doing like 4 or 5 missions back to back. Gets old going to a outpost for ammo let alone weapon repairs. Also with more zombies in the game not compared to release day. It's like 1 shot two kills with so many zombies grouped together. Also its so easy to have good aim. Don't really need any of the skills. But select weapon handling so weapons last a little bit longer.
Not what I'd do on Nightmare Zone because you're going to want the firepower offered by Gunslinging, but on Standard Zone and Dread Zone, none of these choice REALLY matter in the long run. Each survivor can just pick whichever one they like to use the most without consequence.
Nightmare mode - All survivors should have weapon handling. You won't have the parts/resources to keep repairing them.
on xbox the snap shot is off for me. can rarely use it correctly. i can snap to a zombie's head but the zombie will get out of the way before i can fire. on pc it doesn't do that.
I think it's because of the latency or perhaps the differences in framerate.
Shotgun and sharpshooting... yammi
Ok when I think about it: A shotgun review would be nice ;-)
Yeah! It's the easiest way to use the bullet penetration of Sharpshooting. You just aim and shoot.
ah btw. the problem I had with the fertilizer and the garden. It is a bug. I took it away and put it again into the mod slot. and then it worked as intended.
I've always put Gunslinger on my guys and if i could'nt chose it i've respec them. 1 shot 1 kill. (mostly) How can anyone argue with that. Saves a ton of ammo and i never worry about guns breaking because all zombies will be dead before that happens...
There's a lot of people who prefer weapons handling because they like to use the extreme capacity weapons on full automatic.
@@GitGudFox I get that but my ammo reserves will last about 2 minutes if i full auto it all... I think they did something, perhaps a loot nerf but when i started my first game i had lots and lots more ammo than i got now with my latest.game
Can I get a shoutout in next video ?
I don't see why not (assuming I remember!).
I like Weapon handling for anything other than bolt action rifles. And I like Sharpshooter when combined with the CLEO Blast Rifle. And the aformentioned rifle is imo the best bolt action rifle due to its reletively high rate of fire and high damage output (and being the only CLEO weapon that won't break) with the downsides being weight and the ammo being a bit hard to get sometimes.
I don't like the steam it ejects. It often gets in my way of shooting. I like the Echo S2 and Police Sniper Rifle for bolt actions.
@@GitGudFox The RTX Wolverine is a great shotgun to just mow down dozens of zombies without wasting a whole lot of ammo. I just recently did this when dealing with a bunch of hordes at once and when it got overwhelming I just used either boom boxes or fuel bombs. With the added bonus of not worrying about the gun breaking mid fight.
I like this channel i have been looking for someone to do analysis on SOD 2 like what this guy is doing. I sub right away!
I haven't been able to make the guides as quickly as I used to, but I still work on them.
Does the assault kick get the feral to an executable state? If so is this the same for dread and nightmare?
It requires a lot of kicks to affect the feral. It's not worth using for that purpose.
I prefer to have a gunslinger and a weapon handler in my exploration runs, just in case my automatic weapons get broken! I love revolvers and bolt action rifles. My prefered weapons are: Timberwolf, Hunter's Viper, Devgru X12 I, Restored Echo-S1 Revolver, Vulture King and the cowboys weapons! XD
Timberwolf is king! XD
My shooting skill is prepared for Blood Feral. That's why I always choose Assault. Fast reload + chance of knockdown.👍 Second choice is Weapon Handling.
I make a character solely for adventuring, I choose gunslinging to give another option especially against hordes
If I could give everyone gunslinging, I would. I guess I could with retraining manuals, and I probably will in time.
ranking them would be like this
Rank 1: Gunslinging - OP Aim Snap
Rank 2: Weapon Handling - OP repairs, Best support for Gunslinging characters coz they can repair the weapon on the field, or once you deposit it on the base
Rank 3: Sharpshooting
Rank 4: Assault - kicking suks, you better press C to dodge instead of kicking
Do you have any videos on preferred skills for nightmare? Or even weapons. Obviously anything with a high quietness. I been reading stuff on reddit and have several playthroughs done and completed. Had a survivor who's been around for almost since the release date. Always like hearing other players thoughts on the game. Also if you did a weapon breakdown. When to use them and why? I normally keep assault weapons at home and try to keep anyone looking for loot carrying lightweight weapons just so I can move around better. What are your thoughts. I like the short videos for when I'm commuting. At my desk its normally the long playthroughs ones
Well, I'd divide weapons into 3 categories.
1) Home defense
2) In the field
3) Special situation
The best home defense weapon has been the B50FG time and time again. It works well even on the Nightmare Zone.
The best in the field weapon has been the Echo-X3 Repeating Crossbow, but a silenced gun can also work.
The best special situation weapon has been the pyrolauncher for me which has been useful for destroying plague hearts and burning ferals when they appear in large numbers in the Nightmare Zone.
Most people can be used I think. The weakest pistols in the game still kill most zombies in 1 head shot. Shotguns and revolvers can be a problem since they can't be silenced except for the Echo variations, but some shotguns like the Devgru are still really good for defending the base.
I was thinking the same. For the most part I found many shotguns useless. Tf they're either too heavy or loud. I use the mod tool in my playthroughs because you can put suppressors on 12 gauges. However, due to weight I still find them unfavorable in nightmare. The echo weapons in heartland are good in nightmare. But they aren't that great. I do my best to keep things bolt action with handmade or improvised suppressors. I love the repeating crossbow but it's very rare. I only looted it 3 times ever. I would like to even more if I knew how to put a scope on it. What I might do is when I get one, mod it into a fire arm, add a suppressor to it and in the mod tool change it to a scope. It would definitely make it worth it. Love the game too much
If the X3 had a scope, it'd probably be... peerless on Nightmare Zone. In Standard Zone, it's probably the Eternal Guard's Infinite Rage or whatever other 100 round capacity weapon you can find.
Shotguns with sharpshooting can be extremely powerful in all out combat as the bullet penetration applies to every pellet the shotgun fires allowing it to "sweep through" without need for lining up shots or getting lucky.
I’d like to add info that was either left out, or is new,
I’ve never used gun handling, I have no comment for it
For sharp shooting, the bullet piercing is very helpful, the only problem I’ve ever had with it, is that, if you use a crossbow, you bolts pierce through them, so you can’t just go and grab it out of their heads, the bolts may be like 50-80 meters away which can be a problem, but at the same time, it’s helpful because you can stealth kill 2-3 zombies with a single crossbow bolt
I’ve never used assault, so I have no comment on that skill
For gunslinging, the aim lock can be used with crossbows for very quick quite headshots at close range, the reload speed is helpful, but aim lock can only be used in a closer range, and only if you have zoom on your gun toggled off, so you can use it on a long range rifle, but you have to have zoom toggled off, I’ve also noticed that on very long range rifles, the aim lock can lock on from a farther distance, and shorter ranged weapons like shotguns, don’t lock on unless you’re decently close, also, using it with a shotgun still makes your crosshairs super small, and I can’t say this for certain, but it feels like it completely removes the spread that shotguns have while it’s aim locked, I can’t say for certain, but a few times, I’ve used it and nearby zombies were not injured, and using it on a bloater would cause them to do the headshot death where the leaks out like a ballon, rather than popping and exploding
Ever try powerhouse + close combat + stealth
I have done powerhouse and close combat but not with stealth.
Thanks for the fantastic video. Sharpshooting is my go to because of the crowd control capability.
It's pretty satisfying to wipe out crowds of zombies with sharpshooting.
I really enjoy these in depth videos. Makes my choices so much easier. Thanks again!
This original voice over for this was 20 minutes, but I was able to shave off about 5 minutes in the audio mastering process.
"Never go full -r****d- auto."
-Tropic Thunder
So what do I do if I don't have the better choices available?like I never get gunslinging
The game can still be played without any special skills. You just pick the most suitable thing available. If you really want Gunslinging, you can keep an eye out for the mysterious traders who can sell retraining books.
@@GitGudFox I got the worst of luck then, because Everytime I showed up to them, they were surrounded by hordes. But I'll know next time to help them
TWO of my characters from about 30 don't have Weap Handling as default skill
excellent guides mate, straight to the point. no bs
I try to limit my introductions to 30-60 seconds to stay on task.
Gunslinger all the way.
The best shooting skill.
I'm so bad at head shots gunslinger is my only hope in the nightmare zone.
"Aim snap is useless" *laughs in blood ferals*
Blood ferals are killed in 1 hit, instantly, by the Impaler. Even a group of 3 of them all instantly die the moment they contact its spikes.
4:57 channeling that inner Isaac Clarke. Also, it amazes me how many of these skill descriptions I never bothered to read. I honestly didn't know you had to click a button to snap with gunslinging. I thought it just worked when it wanted, since it sometimes locked on when I aimed in. I always just picked it for the reload speed. Hell, I never noticed the punch through with sharpshooting till today with a shotgun. Going for head shots, or running down hordes with cars, really does trivialize everything.
Except juggs and slightly high rocks. The bane of vehicles.
I'm actually thinking about my next random game playthrough being Dead Space 1. Maybe I'll do the whole trilogy, not all in a row though.
I think these videos have furthered reduced any threat and fear I might have of any enemy in the game. Stabbing juggernauts to death, efficiently, with a screw driver? Kicking and stomping a feral to death? It's hard to take them seriously after all of it.
Yeah, most people would think "sharpshooter" implies you should use a long range weapon; however, I have played Warframe for about 3 years, and you quickly learn that punchthrough effects are always best on weapons with little need for accuracy as you don't have to "setup" for chain hits. You just open fire into a crowd, and the spray of munitions does all the work for you.
Gunslinging is very lackluster if you're running mouse/keyboard, where the snap ability is less effective than simply aiming.
Even an experienced FPS player on mouse is less effective than actual aimbot, and no matter how good one's aim is, it does nothing to increase reloading speed which many of the most powerful weapons in the game have lengthy reloading cycles to compensate for.
Gunslinging is still the most powerful shooting skill regardless of platform.
The reload speed from gunslinging is the best feature for me. Too many times I'm trying to reload a weapon in a fight with hordes of zombies and freaks and I get interrupted trying to reload. The aim snap is also nice, but I hardly I hardly ever use it on anything but ferals. Manual aim is nearly as good and doesn't waste stamina I'll need for melee.
You have to have pretty elite levels of aim to have comparable aim to aim snap. For example, I'm a platinum level player in Halo which is considered more advanced than average (top 30%), and aim snap is still superior to my aim.
More importantly, melee is only useful in non-threatening battles where zombies are small to moderate in number. You use melee to conserve bullets in fights that aren't very dangerous.
In any battle that is actually relevant, you're going to care about maximum killing power rather than saving stamina for melee which is not useful against larger amounts of zombies.
As you increase the game's difficulty, the only way to avoid periodic large battles is just to sneak around 24/7.
@@GitGudFox I play on dread level. My aim is decent, but not elite. I find melee useful even with larger hordes at this difficulty. I can knock down several zombies with one swing to make some space for me or my companion to act. If they are shooting then I'm clubbing for them. If they are in melee then the zombies on them are easy targets to head pop. If we are both in melee then shooting is difficult and melee is good for making some space. If we are both unrestricted in shooting and reloading then the threat probably isn't that great. (gunslinging reload speed is very useful here) The less I am forced to use my gun, the better life is. Shotguns actually work pretty well in hordes up close. They are very loud though.
Getting into this game a little late! Lol. My money says 99.9% of viewers won’t know the movie reference! (kids these days) 🤣
Nah, SoD3 won't be out for a while. You're right on time.
🗣Gunslinging For Everyone
Pretty much, you could just put gunslinging on every character and call it quits.
U are wrong every gun jams and even doing one Shot at a time
Actually no guns jam. They just break. Undead Labs chose poor wording.
Snap aim used to work 100% of the time but stupid ass Undead Labs broke it just like they did with the pop in hordes now, infinite respawning zombies in cleared buildings, spawning 4 or more hordes on you back to back when nothing was around & all you did was sneak into a house to search a box, spawning fearls & juggernauts together like they've grown sentient & are working in tandem, spawning about 6 ferals back to back in less than a minute, Ive recorded almost all of these but
I almost got destroyed by a feral on 2 occasions due to the ability never working on the feral even when it was unaware of me & running in circles. I had to manually unload a mag into it to get it to stop tackling me & the other got killed by a trader.
Is that so? I didn't know that. I always used the skill somewhat casually and didn't pay direct attention to its reliability in the past. I mainly used it for the reloading.
I one shot Ferals with with Gunslinger. Never have issues.
Darth is correct. It’s more like 90% of the time works perfectly. Th other 10 % it simply doesn’t snap even with a zombie in FOV. Can’t quite figure out what the possible reason is.
What’s ur gamertag on Xbox
It's the same as my channel.
Coming back to the game after a while, gotta rewatch these vods.
I think the assault 50% knockdown could show its worth for a character or person that cant headshot really well with a automatic weapon that uses cheap plentiful weapon ammo
So a character thats really good in melee, can use a automatic with cheap bullets like 9 mm and spray into a horde to knock most of them down so they can melee the one that's still standing coming to them
I prefer to use fire if there's so many enemies that headshot placement is a problem. Fire is one of the best weapons in SoD2.
add scouting with gunsling to increase range
HaHA Then An New Update Happen💪😅🍷
I don't think I'd change my ratings for shooting skills even in the current patch level.
@@GitGudFox true if your playing nightmare zone heavy and the main weapon usage us the compound cross bows set, but and playing cowboy trader in the reg bunny rabbit zone only for now, so it Guns, Bullet , and Big Ole Boom BoOm for me, Thanks for the response and keep up the Great vid sir, i follows all your season in The nightmare zone, and thank you very much for the 4th of july bash, and congrats on the google car find👍🏽😎🤘🏽
I use Sharpshooting with 9 mm and .45 guns. It works like 7.62/5.56 bullets. Gunslinging + x3 crossbow is the best choice. Weapon handling works fine with 5.56 and 7.62 weapons with big magazine because 5.56 and 7.62 have sharpshooting ability as well also big magazine doesnt need to reload.
If I could get gunslinging on every one of my guys, I'd do it. It is definitely my favorite skill.
What in the HELL is the name of that movie?
Zardoz, Sean Connery stars in it. He wound up taking the role because he didn't want to be type casted as James Bond. He was hoping to expand his portfolio.
It's a strange movie that shouldn't be taken at face value. Thinking about the symbolism of the movie is the key. I sometimes invite my friends to watch it to gauge their reactions. It usually tells me something about their character.
Weapon handling > All
I'd say it's a bit better than assault. Gunsglinging is the most optimal choice.
LOL this was recommended after watching your nightmare zone S02E05 He can't be trusted @ 6:52, sorry, I had to laugh at the foreshadowing. If I hadn't already commented on one of your other videos, I always choose gunslinging, when possible, just for the reload speed. After finding my 1st eternal guard's infinite rage, having to wait, what felt like hours, to reload... Gunslinging or exile. Of course now there are respec books, but those degrade the learning exp, so it takes longer to specialize
Gunslinging is incredibly powerful. Sharpshooting is amazing with automatic shotguns like the DevGru.
i think you need to give weapon handling another look! i've been playing on pc and i only use single fire on all my guns. ive noticed that my guns do jam or break quite often. the ability to auto repair guns and fix jams by just reloading is so amazing. especially since i use suppressors on all my guns. suppressors significantly lower the life of your weapon but with weapon handling that isnt an issue. also the perk saves on parts which can quickly become a rare resource at times. also i like to volunteer quite a bit cause its a good way to get free materials/loot and influence. i usually take my ak with the 150 drum mag and weapon handling is really great with that cause i can just rip through a bunch of stuff on other peoples map without having to worry about going back to base or to an outpost.
It's because Undead Lab's wording is poor. Jamming is the same thing as breaking, so I was looking for a different condition than breaking.
@@GitGudFox Ah I see! I agree, their wording could have been better.
@@GitGudFox "guns don't degrade, only the dead degrade"
Far cry 2
“100 bullets”
Me: ;-; *hides my m4 with 50 billets*
50 is more than enough for the game.
Except juggernauts....but that’s what my Timberwolf is for :D
Control your fire against juggs, don't shoot them while they are staggering back from damage. You'll find you need 35-40 shots to bring a jugg down if you don't shoot into them while they are staggered.
Hmmm
I still think the Timberwolf with my 300 bullets is better :D
My son is 2 now and he will sit and watch your videos with me, he noticed your youtube emblem by the subscribe button, and on the last video discussing wits skills, when you concluded he started saying "Bye bye fox." Not sure if you have kids but take my word for it it was adorable
IM SO CONFUSED..
Your videos speak as if the game doesn’t just end when kill the plague hearts and legacy then finish..
**are you caring t tha point cause ur using those chargers on future play through s???
((Yeah I’m still kinda new to SOD2. I only yesterday finished my 1st campaign..
I had no idea my game would just end..
I thought I was going to the next map etc. whatevs,,I do understand that I’m using my hero/leader again on this play through...
I wold FOR SURE be very grateful for advice and explantation or whTevs..
**lets see if I got this correct= you do the campaign and it’s never ending (breakdown) as long as u don’t do the legacy mission right?
*also,,by me not knowing this would happen I didn’t load my elder up with any dope gear....
If anyone wants to message me on Xbox= Sippio
Most people don't finish the legacies. You just play for 100s of days.
Always go weapon handling simply because guns "jam" quite often for me(only use single-fire), and they usually break at the worst times. Though may start making a few sharpshooter shotgun survivors, since I get a decent amount of shotguns/ammo but rarely use them since they aren't as efficient as just kiting and HS groups. Yet that combo seems like it would work nicely, especially on missions where you need to save someone....Also tempted to let a siege build up on the mission that wants you to use the scent blocker, with that combo...
I always keep my weapons well maintained, so I rarely have breakdowns. I don't think I've had to deal with a broken weapon in months.
so you are telling us that you will go back 2000 meters to repair your weapon instead of temporarily reparing the gun quickly on spot?? bruuu
No, because that never happens. I have had maybe 2 guns break in over 100 episodes, on nightmare zone, and my guns rarely even enter into the damaged yellow zone unless I am doing something very specific which I plan ahead for anyways. All of this without using weapons handling.
If your weapons are breaking down all the time, it is more likely a sign of using weapons with poor durability, overshooting/bad accuracy, excessive or extreme combat situations, or poor regular maintenance.
I thought it was completely ridiculous how they would take forever to load a drum magazine, but then I realized the devs must be implying that you're loading each bullet into the now empty drum magazine. The animation needs work for sure.
I figured it's because they were stupid.
They sometimes even take forever to reload hunting rifles so I dont believe that's the case. Weapons similar to ones I fired off irl and Im like "oh come on, it does not take THAT long to reload that thing". Its as if these people have Parkinson's Disease.
@@DAN007thefoxx1 it doesn't take long to load a clip into a receiver, it takes a long time to load bullet after bullet into a mag. I bet the hunting rifle you're talking about has a mag. You might be right, I always just assumed the devs lacked the animation so that's why it just looks awkward.
@@DrummahMike Well yeah I meant clip fed guns.
Weapon handling is useful for stealth characters.
Im ugly af so i never read those pop up information. Another reason why i hate being ugly. Thanks fox
Gotta read stuff to learn what they do.
Guns break so much more w/o weapon handling. Also full auto is great for huge horde headshot strafing
So, since the difficulty levels have been introduced, have you thought about redoing these vids?
Yes, in one of my channel announcements I said I would do Nightmare reviews... but not for a while since I will need a powerful community to test the abilities.
Most guns jam, even semi auto pistols, only the guns with max durability don’t
It turns out that jamming is just another word for breaking but the game chose to use a different word. Weapon handling better translates as a skill that temporarily repairs a broken weapon.
I think you Tested the Assault Feature incorrectly, when I use it, its about staying ADS(aim Down sight) you'll burn through alot of ammo and need a secondary on quick equip stand by but its about standing your ground. If any zombies do push into you kick them over shoot the most immediate threat and then decide if the head shot is safer than melee to finish off kicked Zed(also great with your back on a wall indoors)
I tested it more extensively over the course of my Nightmare Zone series including kicking a plague heart to death. The problem with it is that it doesn't solve any problems in SOD2 that need to be solved. It's only good against small numbers of zombies, but there are many other skills that could do this exact job such as close combat or swordplay which are half the options in the fighting skill category.
I'd go so far as to say is possibly the worst skill in the entire game among the 4 core skills, wits, cardio, fighting, and shooting.
Fox, do you still order the skills like this since you moved to Nightmare, where parts are hella scarce? I go Gunslinging first then Weapon Handling second in Dread Zone and it seems to be working well.
I have not re-evaluated any of these for Nightmare Zone. Gunslinging is going to be number 1 most likely, but I'm not sure about the others.
Hey ! How your characters have so much stamina? Mine is exhousted very fast....
I often choose backpacking as my cardio skill.
Weapon handling is extremely useful because you can throw that broken gun in your stash and the person with weapon handling can fix all broken guns
My weapons jam all the time especially shotguns and I never go auto
It was a problem with Undead Labs' wording. Mechanically, "jams" are the same thing as a weapon breaking due to durability loss, so there is no "jam" in the game. It is just the weapon breaking down, so weapons handling allows you to restore a damaged weapon's durability a bit so it is usable temporarily.
@@GitGudFox oh OK cool thanks how do you even have time to reply to all the comments😂 I just started the game and you have given me a massive boost mailney for the base selecting u deserve loads more subs and rn I'm just watching every single one of your 5th ability stuff😂
I tend to wait about a day then just dedicate about 30-45 minutes to answering all of the comments I haven't read.
on nightmare, i think weapon handling is highly useful, at least for me i dont need gunslinging aim bot since i play on pc where i can aim really well. also weapons like submachine guns reload fast enough, so i just go for weapons that dont have a long reload time. but honestly, red talon soldiers are the best
Weapon Handling is one of those temporarily powerful skills. They're useful while parts are scarce, but once you get your community entrenched, and parts become plentiful through mass production with CNC mills and forges, it loses its value.
this game suffers from a serious lack of content and it's apparent given all the different ways you can customize your survivors/base/community. there just isn't enough world to explore, and not enough enemy variety! imagine if the maps were big enough to where Weapon Handling were actually useful, for instance
A scarcity of weapon parts and the ease of killing zombies with non-gun weapons (like cars) really hits the bottom line of Weapons Handling. The main value of it is that Weapons Handling saves parts and lets you use the weapon more recklessly which isn't a big deal when you can drive cars recklessly and sit on a pile of 1000 parts.
You want at least one long weapon handler! I don’t know why you don’t get the jams, but I feel like I get a jam after 3 magazines.
Warfight skill anyone? 🤷
I just started playing and I've been surprisingly good at getting headshots in this game, even with pistols at longer range and no shooting skill. I'm not sure if that's mostly the game or if it's just my years of gaming coming into play.
Why not both?
I would choose weapon handling kuz of the name and the jamming part but after watching this I know what to choose. Thanks fox!
If there are 4 options why does it only let us choose from 2?
Because not every character is eligible to learn each skill. If you level up enough characters, you will occasionally find a character that can only learn 1 skill. Sometimes you will get a character that can between between 3 skills, and rarely you will find a character that can pick between all 4 skills.
You can use a retraining manual to force a specific skill however.
Weapons jam all the time for me, it has nothing to do with burst or auto fire. They jam in single fire, too.
I always have a Weapon Handler at hand to repair the 8+ broken weapons in the locker until I get the Red Talon Workshop.
Weapons jams don't actually exist. It was just poor choice in wording from Undead Labs. A "weapon jam" is just a weapon that has broken just like a melee weapon.
Maybe your only video that in my opinion is completely wrong. Weapon handling is by far the most useful skill. You don't want your gun to break down when you're away from your base nor do you want to waste parts to repair them. You should've perhaps also made a comparison between controller and mouse/keyboard players. The aim snap abilty is trash when using a mouse while it it probably very useful for a controller.
Personally i would say weapon handling is eaaasily the best one.
I wouldn't, and it's even worse now because weapon durability has been doubled globally. If your weapons are breaking down, it's because you're using them excessively, or you're using a very fragile weapon.
I haven't had a gun break down on me in multiple entire seasons of Nightmare Zone.
Aim snap is still better on mouse than natural aim. You literally cannot aim more effectively than perfectly, and using a mouse doesn't suddenly make weapons reload faster, and the really good weapons all have 3 second reload times which are cut down to about 1.5 to 1.7 second reloads with gunslinging.
With the durability doubled, weapons handling is now a bad skill.
Wait🤔 so if I pick weapon handling I can take my Tommy gun out go crazy with it and never worry about it braking🤔... fucking legendary 🤘🏿 say no more lol thanks for the video.
It'll break, but you will be able to repair it to an extent. I will break faster than the first time as well, but yes, you will be able to fire much more recklessly with it.
Gun-slinging. Everything else is trash.
One of the biggest problems the game still has to this damn day is the odd feeling aiming with your mouse. It barely has been improved for me. It feels like your crosshair has a pattern it follows at which points you can aim on your screen. It is a bit hard to explain what i mean.
It feels choppy trying to aim at something. I often can't aim at that one specific pixel, because it jumps 3 pixels at once instead of just one as it should.
I had the exact same problem years ago with Planetside 2.
I could not for the life of me aim properly with that issue and only after a year they have fixed it in Planetside. But to this day i have this problem in SoD 2. I tinkered with so many options and i could not ever fix it. Which is the exact reason why i play with controller 90% of all time there.
Gunslinging does the job in dire situations. And only if i really have to rely on quick non autoaim situations, i switch to my mouse. Otherwise controller handles it. Oddly enough id not have the choppy aiming with my controller.
And no i did reduce the sensitivity of my mouse and in game. Nothing fixes this.
Got to level up shooting
Uh... i think you did not quite understood what i meant with that.
Your monitor has pixels. And it feels like your crosshair jumps between them very roughly. Like you can't aim in between those, if that makes any sense to you.
Imagine it like 4 boxes that are those pixels and only in those you can aim. So if your target is right in the middle between all those 4 boxes, you have to move your character to get those boxes to get over your target.@@tnos6268
I play on nightmare mode. weapon handling is extremely useful in a difficulty where there is little to no loot specially for materials needed to repair weapons. you maybe playing on child mode.
It's not extremely useful in Nightmare Zone either. It's worth having maybe 1 guy with weapons handling in Nightmare Zone for the option of using it, but I have played hundreds of days in Nightmare Zone not needing the skill.
If you're not picking Gunslinging on your characters, the you're doing it wrong.
It baffles me how weapon handling got a lower grade than assault. The ability of firearms to last 33% longer (12 durability/3 damage instead of 12/4) is massive, even if you have plenty of parts, every part not being used on repairs is another used for influence. I might just be biased on this because I used the Recruit Legacy Survivor radio command to build a perfect lethal zone team. Meanwhile sharpshooter’s piercing ability is most advantageous with the least advantageous firearm type, shotguns, which 99% of them can’t be suppressed. In Lethal a shotgun will cause way more problems than it solves.
IMO
Gunslinger > Weapon Handling > Sharpshooter > Assault
If I were to re-review them, they'd be like this.
Gunslinging > Assault... nothing else matter.
Now that assault was buffed to increase ammo stacking size, it's actually useful.
But even then, the truth is that really only Gunslinging matters, and I assigned the others a rank so that I would force myself to commit to a rating.
The 200IQ truth is that none of them matter because guns are really bad in SoD2. The only guns that matter are the Pyrolauncher and 0.50 calibers, but you put those on your allies who have infinite ammo.
If you want an expanded explanation, this is why Sharpshooter and Weapons Handling don't matter.
Weapons Handling is about saving parts. Parts are easy to generate though, and if your guns are taking a beating, then it means you're fighting excessive amounts of zombies meaning it's s self-inflicted problem.
To generate large quantities of parts, you need the salvage furnace, 2 or 3 of them will do. You can get them from a Trade Depot. Some of the merchants will sell them. Plug 2-3 salvage furnaces in, and you'll be salvaging 50-200 parts from the weapons you find.
Sharpshooting sucks because... well, shooting sucks. Fire is more effective than shooting especially on Lethal Zone where the cost to produce ammo skyrockets. It costs 8 ammo just to use the 7.62mm ammo press once.
Basically the irony of SoD2 is that it's full of guns... and guns are bad unfortunately.
1 gunslinging
2 weapon handling
3 sharpshooting
4 assault
Assault is so bad.
Hey git Gud Fox love your videos and and love ur gameplays too add me on Xbox one
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Did u ever do the skill analysis for the best skills in nightmare zone? If so could u send me the link, that’d be awesome
Nah, I never got around to it.
Assault seems to be the kind of skill you'd take when carrying shotguns, when your job isn't to pick off zeds one by one, but to knock plenty down so you and your partners can get a breather. That or if the survivor you're using uses blades/knives, so they can't use blunt weapons to knock them over effectively. That or when you're dealing with armored zombies often and shooting in general isn't a good idea, but you do it to get them down.
The shooter skills should include the weapons itself.
Assault: -X% Reload speed for shotguns, you kan run trough enemies and knock them down while you do it
Sharpshooting: Lees recoil for Sniper, piercing through enemies
Gunslinger: able to hold 2 Revolver (instead of a knife), kick down enemies in front of you
and a forth one maybe something like supressor, where you slow down zombies if you use machineguns.
These are just examples. But it should be more unique.
Assault is so bad it needs a redesign.
@@GitGudFox A lot of skills need a redesign. Most of them just boost something. But its not like one give -50% reload speed and -25% sway and the other gives -50% sway and 25% reload speed. No. One gives you 200% reload speed with every gun and the other gives you a buggy kick. Why should i pick assault than.
Well put together vid! Enjoyed it greatly!
I'd probably do this video a bit differently if I redid it, but I am still mostly happy with the information, and my ratings would still be the same.
love the video, its just perfect :) anyway atm i play normal mode and im bored of it, im looking to train few survivors to max with best skills, so i can use them in nightmare mode....can you make video about that, what skills to pick and how to equip survivors....
Why don't you try a fresh start in Dread Zone first? Learning how to survive with little is what makes you a stronger SoD2 player.
i dont like medium settings :) its either easy or hard for me :D@@GitGudFox
Weapon handling is alright to have on one community member of you don't have the red talon workshop. Put it on a character you wouldn't normally play as. Otherwise I pretty much always choose gunslinger if possible.
I'm subbing!!!
Thank you! Welcome aboard!