Medic is hard to master because skill as him relies more on judgement than actual performance. Good medics are ones that can predict the future and that's not easily learned.
The only problems I have with medic are the medi guns (I prefer to use Kritzkrieg , but I use the stock a lot) and the lack of so to speak "interesting" weapons. I like the medic as a class a lot, if it weren't for the all father, the B.M.O.C, and the gift bringer, medic would be my favorite class. However, medic still has a few to a lot of problems. If I were to suggest something to new players trying to work with the medic, I'd say simply "Work on your jukes and hiding places." Because as a medic, people will want to target you over the class you're healing if you've played the game for more than an hour and have a basic understanding of the class. Thanks Array if you actually read this, I know how hard it can be to play medic in the first place and I like your videos because they helped me understand how to be a good player at the game.
Yeah but rocket jumping is one of the hardest forms of tech skill to ever master. Engineer isn't the most challenging to play but requires some creativity on the players part.
Ya! When I first played spy I thought the disguise kit turned you into another class and you get the weapons they have like echos ult in In over watch!
Yea i did that as well, and i thought you could back stab people while invisible so after i figured out how the cloak works i ended up just running up behind the enemy team while invisible spamming m1
sorry to bother, but maybe the community could help here, I created a simple google spreadsheet for class difficulty in picking up and mastery, you guys wanna help me? docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XtNv5v99G640lAINLv70KWnvO0ihE0Fa2Y8MBeB2yP4/edit?usp=sharing
Looking at other classes like Scout, Solly, and Sniper which are near impossible classes to master Engie is not hard to “master” at all. It’s all about learning placement for buildings and having at least decent shotgun aim. Wrangler is broken, Minis are broken, Rescue is broken. See what I’m getting at here? So overall Engie is definitely one of the easiest classes to master (in a comp scene)
Yeah, so metal management, maintaining buildings, situational awareness and other things aren’t part of the equation at all times? Building placement ain’t just it chief, you have to know when to do it, and one slip up means your dead in a matter of seconds. The rescue ranger isn’t op because not only is it’s clip size smaller, but it fires bolts that really don’t do enough damage to defend yourself on top of the fact that you take mini crits when moving buildings leaving you much more vulnerable. Engie is one of the hardest classes to master because there are many different things you can do with him, and many different playstyles.
Also, yeah sniper and scout are hard to master, Snipers just a point and click adventure game and scout is move jump and hit shots. Legit if you think that scout, the class that is only about movement and aiming is easier then engineer then you are sorely mistaken
staswalle Except spies also need to learn all of that (except the first three), along with trickstabbing, disguises, proper knives in certain situations, amby headshots, hit boxes, movement prediction, etc. IMO spy is the hardest to master, especially since you can literally carry the shit out of your team if you’re good :)
TEV GD amby headshots? You don’t always have to use amby. Revolver or others are fine choices too. Amby is overrated imo. Don’t get me wrong, amby is a good gun, but feel like the rest also needs some love.
Wait until a fly swatted is about to hit you before dodging, whiz around in impossible patterns, never know how to get out of buildings full of people, annoy the shit out of everyone, die the moment fire licks your ass, and always getting stuck on sticky traps, yep, sounds like a scout.
Each class has certain aspects that take skill: Scout: Movement Soldier: Blast jumping Pyro: Flanking Demo: Blast Jumping and Pipe aim Heavy: Gamesense and awareness Engineer: Shotgun DM, building placement and gamesense Medic: Uber counting and heal spreading Sniper: Aim and positioning Spy: Noticing opportunities and acting
@@telesnow - airblast - overall game sense - flare jumping - knowing strats used by enemy spy - memorizing when enemies group up - combos - as they said, flanking
Honestly, I play Pyro because it's easier than other classes. I have inexistent experience in first person shooters, and if using the w-m1 tactic can help my team I will surely use it, even if people insult me for that. And burning people alive surely is fun.
ProMlgPolarBear Loch n load doesn't bro, but I like sticky trapping one way and either chasing into it or use it to make them take another way and send stock pills that way
bop god I disagree. No projectile arc, faster projectile speed..? It’s easier. Soldier’s direct hit is easier to hit- just not splash. Same with Loch n Load.
@@cherrysoda4462 Yeah I guess, for me it's kinda hard to line up shots since I'm so used to the stock projectile speed, plus even if I miss there's always splash, which the Direct Hit doesn't have
GrapeLeaf yeah i wish they made m1 less viable and made combo do more damage and they had it harder to master. hes a relatively weak class in terms of damage and specific class picking, at least imo. hes definitely got his strengths, though. scouts snd spies are pretty weak against him if you know what youre doing. but stickies can pretty much fully prevent a pyro from getting to your team. however, when im playing medic or engie, a good pyro would have prevented most of my deaths.
But which other class is a combo class? Other than demoman, which even then will probably do well even with only the stickybomb or the grenade launcher. A pyro that only uses his flamethrower is not very good.
As a Heavy main, I'm kinda insulted about how low you put him on both scales. Heavy may not have any gimmicks like rocket/sticky/doublejumping, but he is directly below the Medic in terms of teamwork. Heavies also get targeted far more than someone like the scout, so a new player might find him difficult to play, just because everyone targets him. But hey, maybe I'm just salty because of how many people seem to hate my big Russian boi.
elias Ok, uhh. Hmm. See, I don't like being rude, but... Well, I can't really take what you said seriously. I honestly had to read your comment three times before I could understand it, and frankly, I don't really listen to soldier mains complaining about other classes. Soldier was made by Valve to be an easy class, for new players. So I kinda find your comment hypocritical. Oh, crap. I spent waaayyy too long replying to that. Sorry if I came off as rude.
Joshua Barker I don’t personally play heavy because I prefer sniper and scout but heavy by far has my favourite personality so I value and respect your main big Russian boi
Heavy is not skill based, but a strategical, and sneaky/ surprising or accurate heavy can easilly turn games around, heavy also takes skill in surviving when no medics are around, that's pretty hard
I think that it would be better if heavy had a shield to support his team mates, but when he equips the shield he can not be overhealed or be uber. this would balance it out a bit, and I would like to see what kind of pushes players would do with a shielded heavy. this is purely my opinion but you can also share your idea if my "weapon" it bad.
according to this comment section; - medic is the hardest class to master - scout is also the hardest class to master - sniper is also the hardest class to master - medic is also the easiest class to master - demo is placed too high - heavy mains are big mad - and when you pick pyro you lose all brain function
Pyro is easy enough to understand, but actually refining your skills with something besides the Phlogistinator takes time. Detonator jumping The positioning required to make the backburner worth anything Airblasting Using the thermal thruster Spychecking Whatever the heck is going on with the dragon's fury All of this takes skill.
@@krool_ You think the dragon's fury is easy to use? The thermal thruster is easy to mistake for easy, but there's a bunch of little gimmicky ways to move. nowhere near as hard as rocket jumping, but it's not easy.
"Every class has a high skill-ceiling, even pyro." bursting laughter "One that can control projectiles like they are a bike, and send enemies wherever they wish with airblasts." *sweats profusely*
@@594-d9b To be fair, they were talking about difficulty, not effectiveness. I would argue Spy is a very difficult class, but the reward for actually playing Spy is rather minimal.
Glowdude everyone wants a tele but never wants to keep it running everyone wants a sentry covering them but nobody wants to babysit it everyone wants a dispesner as a second medic but no one ever wants to watch all of its surroundings just like how everyone wants a pocket but basically nobody wants to be the pocket people say the medic is the backbone of the team i argue tht engineer could easily compete for that spot
@@soopcanwastaken indeed, an engineer can heal you, refill your ammo, transport you to the front lines, defend you and the objective, break an the enemies push (with the power of the wrangler), watch your back and when things get dire and has the right Loadout, can 1v1 an explosives class
As an engie main I'm glad to see people calling out teams that don't do their part in helping the engie but still bitch when we can't get anything done because the rest of the team is too busy getting rolled to buy time for a solid engie setup to be built
I had sort of the opposite experience to the spy difficulty when starting out. My best class was spy for a while because, while I didn’t know how to aim well, I knew how to position myself to get stabs. This may have been just because I was introduced to tf2 through lazypurples “how it feels” series.
@@Inconspicuous-Gnome its just that when you main someone it’s always most likely because of their meet the vid. You like the personality and you since you can relate you’re gonna act like the person you main
The *absolute* basics of medic are: - Keep track of your team - Keep track of your uber - Keep track of your health. But much more often, it's: - Are you playing offensively, or defensively? - Can you predict shots with the crossbow? - What's the enemy team doing? Their layout? Team comp? - What's *your* team doing? Their layout? Team comp? - What medigun is the best choice for both layouts? - Are you pushing, or staying back? - Is it a good idea to follow your team, or stay back because the push might fail? - What can you call out? And lots of other things like that. For me, medic is an autopilot thing. It was extremely hard to pick up, but once you learn everything you need to learn, you can just do it without thinking. You see a spy? Call him out. Scout at fifty? Get him to ninety, get on your soldier. Engie? Stock time. If you run a more offensive playstyle (like me), run blutsauger. If you run a more safe, defensive playstyle, run crossbow. If the enemy team has an engie, run stock for a push. Remember to listen to your team. So yeah, medic is hard to master in the grand scheme of things. But it's more of a psychological game than actually picking up the class and learning its mechanics. Can you handle talking to people constantly, and constantly being talked to? Are you comfortable with calling most things out? Can you game sense your ass through the fifth dimension? If so, then yeah, medic will be pretty easy for you to master. But if you need even a *little* bit of practice, it'll get hard real quick. Most of medic's key concepts can be taught and learnt easily, but the little subsets that come off them are absolutely insane. Like, what's your playstyle? The comp, all that. I can say I've gotten really good as medic, and maybe even near mastery, but medic is hard to consider as a "yes or no" when it comes to mastering. It all depends on your playstyle, analytics, and what your team needs.
Your comment makes us medic mains proud. I'm just sick of people not respecting us just because they don't know what us medics have to juggle and consider.
@@CTF_Doc Thanks. People tend to over-assume things about medic, and think that playing him is just an easy switch to flip on and off. It's not. It's really frustrating to think about every possible situation that could happen and pick the most likely one-- then cater to that specific sitch. I'm glad I portrayed it right, I was never really the best at words.
@@thatcooldudeisawesome876 Hardest to main-Yes. Hardest to master-Yeah with Scout, Solider, Demo and Medic. I personally think that Scout, Solider, Demo, Medic and Spy are the best classes in TF2, all having insane skill expression (Sniper too, but his thing is aim and snipers exist in other games so its not anything special, but god snipers deserve to be recognized just as much as everyone else). With Scout, being a literal fly, with Solider and demo the insane projectile jumps, Spy has his trickstabs and deception and Medic while not noticeable and montage worthy has insane impact. Edit: Also spy is the hardest to MAIN, because of how annoying is to deal with the Pyros and Heavies. Rage is the hardest thing to overcome and maining Spy brings a lot of it.
Mechanical skill or just skill in general? I would argue spy, it is a tougher class mechanically but when you think about mind games and getting into the enemy's head, the skill ceiling is as big as the human brain.
a trick i use is when someone chases me i run in a direction *not cloaked* , then i cloak and go the way i want to go to escape, the enemy shoots the direction i went in but i just went somewhere else
if everyone is complaining i dont think that its completely accurate heavys and snipers kina got the shitty side of things and demo is over compensated like what did engis do to deserve getting bottom teir
Caveman Joey yes. Nobody wants to play him is the problem. I also see Medics 1 out of 3 games. He’s literally a W+M1 Pyro with a health gun instead of a flamethrower.
@Caveman Joey hoy many of those spies get enough points that would be considered a good match for a begginer, and how many medics get enough points to be considered a good match. And nobody wants to play medic because they want to be the action not see it. I mainly play demo but i am mot good with it.
@Caveman Joey Just because of classes easy to pick up, doesn't mean people are going to pick it. Think about it, which one would you as a fresh install pick? You have the guy who can run around, double jump, and shoot people with a shotgun, a person who can go invisible, this guy is the enemy team in order to trick and become a master of disguise, and get a one-hit KO with from the back, or you can choose the guy who you left click on a teammate and they do all the work, while you just stay in the back and do basically nothing. Which one sounds more fun to you?
Obviously the hardest is Spy. Spy must know everything - the maps, all the ammo/medkits, all classes, what they can do, psychology, Spy must see himself in the reflection in the eyes of the foes, he must understand how to mind-trick, when to strike, must have a good aim to use pistol to get away from nasty situations, must have tons of experience with cloaking, feeling when it's full invis, know when he has healing signs on him in cloak or a syringe that gives him away. And, of course, feel perfectly the positioning with all the lags. Cause even without facestabbing it takes skill to BS and sap. And to be efficient he must do all that fast. While all other classes can stay safe, Spy must not only rely 100% on his own skill but also deal with luck and psychology. And any mistake is death. Sniper has distance, Medic has his team, all other classes can kill and defend. As each of them you can do your little job even without knowing much but a Spy is zero without knowledge of everything and awareness of the situation. And easiest is hard to tell. Med can just stick to his team and heal, no need for more, just watch what others do and learn tactics and maps. Sol is a good choice for any newbie. Sol can adapt. Much health, any distance damage, can kill most classes 1 on 1 if going against same newbies. Splash, crockets... It's just stable. Heavy takes aiming to play and lazy Heavies who don't turn around get killed too fast so I wouldn't say he's easy. Engie is easy only if you know where to build. A newbie won't save his buildings from Spies so it takes a supporting team. But at least you don't need to aim, just know what to do. Scout is good for those who can play shooters but don't know the maps. So different noobs need different classes to start with. The only thing I want from my team of noobs is to be useful. No need to be capable of killing, just shoot at the enemies and stay safe. When you see someone top score going into the battle, for fuck sake, don't stare but go behind him and shoot at the enemies! Or look around so that this guy didn't get a knife in his back. For good solo players it's important to have sides covered. So when he can focus on 1 direction while you watch his back, it's VERY helpful. That's what newbies should do. And that's what they don't do when they take Snipers and Spies that not only take high skill but also cannot provide any support. Can't tank, can't defend themselves vs the weakest opponents, just lemmings waiting to die. The simplest idea that X allies can kill X times faster and save X times more health in battle if they work simultaneously seems too difficult to some people. So any class except Sniper and Spy can be played by a noob. And mastering takes about the same on every class. 9k hours average. I've seen pros on each class. Unkillable, impressive and fast.
As a Pyro main I have to note the wide aspects of playing him - especially airblast (rocket jumping/aim/different projectiles) and the detonator/flare gun (air)shots
Yeah i agree with that. If you count that it shouldnt be nearly as easy to get used to. However without them try hards get by extremely easily while they spam flames.
@@taylor844 Easy? I wouldn't agree here. I mean... as I said above, you gotta learn how different projectiles (rockets, grenades, arrows, flares) behave and how to counter them
No, the hardest class is friendly engineer when you make a clicky sentry and them put it with the friendlies but they don't know it has no ammo so they all freak out and kill you and the sentry
Update: This video is STILL getting views, that's crazy! Thanks so much for your support, I'm not even sure I hold these views anymore but I'm glad this has got a discussion going. A couple of things to mention: - Sorry about the loud music, hopefully I've improved at editing since making this - One of my regrets is not separating more clearly the world of high level 6's, highlander and pubs more Original comment: So which class is the easiest to pick up? And which class is the hardest to master?
Hi Toofty, I think you got most things right, except for the following: 1. The demoman, (I know you are fantastic with him btw, which I also think is why you got him wrong) he is much harder to pick up than almost any other class in my point of view. I played 200 hours on soldier before switching to maining demo and I still got wrecked for the first 20 to 30 hours of playing him intensely. Pipes are much harder to hit than rockets (as you mentioned as soon as you start shooting on the ground they become much easier to work with for newbies and even before that, the splash always comes instantly, whether from the ground or walls which are close by - so clearly they are easier to handle) 2. Scout and sniper, both of these are incredibly hard to master, while you are right in stating that its primarily mechanical skill, its mechanical skill that is the hardest to learn and to maintain. 3. Spy, I think he is one of the easiest classes to master for two reasons, one as regards pubs and the other as regards comp matches (hl). Firstly, as regards pubs considering that his primary way of killing people involves a bit of flanking and decision making and if done well results in instant death of the opponent I believe in pubs once you played any class for a few hours and then invest another few hours you can quickly become very good, much faster in fact, than if you would have to learn a more interactive skill, as you have to for the others. 4. Engie, ok to be fair you are right if we are talking about just picking up the game including the first 5 minutes of gameplay. I believe that its much more interesting though to talk about roughly the first hour or two and in this scenario its much easier to start with engie. I'd say that its even easier than heavy, the reason for that in my opinion is that once you learned how to upgrade your sentry you will always be somewhat useful even if all your decisions are terrible, simply because a lvl 3 alone is so powerful. Btw I do think it needs some serious nerfing. Thanks for making such awesome videos, I'm subscribed with both my accounts!
TooftyTV I say that the pyro has the "market garden" that he can do. I honestly say if yoy cant do that you are not a true pyro main. Still Sniper, Demo, Soldier and Spy seem the trickiest to me. As a medic you can more or less rely on your team for help. Btw I am a huge fan. I love your work, I apreciate your perspective about the gameplay and classes!
Now we observe the elusive Heavy main in his TRIGGERED state Mini Essay Ahead Seriously guys people only think heavy is easy/has a low skill ceiling because that's what around 30% of players pick when they start out because of the large health pool which is sad because if you think heavy what do you think? A player pocketed by a medic dominating a good bit of their team or a idiot just trying to kill everyone in the one minute he survives? Probably the latter. (Nothing against you newer heavies i'm sure your better than that) Once one takes time to learn the class and be spy paranoid as all hell you can do pretty great even without a medic which may sound like something you may see on a cat poster but take it from me I used to be your run of the mill moron waving his gun around trying to get a few kills but once I learned some special tricks to him like the fact he shoots out of his head not gun from *Rydercycle* I tended to do a lot better in pubs and now casual. I know this is probably too long for a RUclips comment but I wanted to stress the fact that heavy does not have that low of a skill ceiling and, in my opinion, is not boring to play compared to the others. To all my aspiring heavies out there, good luck on your journey to greatness (again)
Derpy Diamonds Bros From a heavy main who remembers very clearly what that was like; I respect your skill and dedication to a class I cannot grasp, but fuck you man. How is he everywhere at once AAAAAAAAAAA 😭
He is mechanical, but still quite heard to master. Casual point and click don't say: if you don't hit them, you do no damage. A casual point and click is sort of... machine guns and stuff.
Depends on what you mean by "picking up" rocket jumping and sticky jumping take forever to even learn, so by this standard, they should be the hardest to pickup, at least harder to pickup than scout. Mastering? EASILY demo. Learning how to rollout on each 6s map is enough to make one go insane, where as with any other class, it doesn't require that much skill on just GETTING TO MID. Then, once at mid, to be effective, you have to know to only shoot one or two stickies at the demo, and then try to focus the scouts to take away their buffs. Not to mention, you can't only keep that in mind, you have to know when to start retreating, because staying alive and setting traps can buy enough time for your team to re-spawn. Also, you mainly have to stay behind your pocket, but you have to super aggressive, when you roll them, and then overextending there can be really tricky because your stickies can be shot away from the ground and they have an arm time, you can't just latch on to a scout, use your speed, jump away, or equip the dead ringer to get out of a sticky (unintentional pun) situation. Demo is easily the hardest to pick-up, and BY FAR the hardest to master.
Technically, the hardest to master is Sniper, because his aim can infinitely get better. This is retarded, so that's why I don't consider jumping to be a skill-ceiling increasing thing.
pyro and engi go in the same area really they both belong helping teammates and pushing damage I mean seriously baby ENGINEER and WM1 gives a bad name to us engi an pyro people
Just play every class for a week or longer, only one at a time, you will find your opinion change Very quickly, speaking from own experience, used to be a medic and spy main and before I went all class, I thought that they where the most skillfull, more so than other classes, however I found that there where so many difference's.
And your point is also Completely shattered by what a spy has to learn, Great aim to finish of weak enemies, Juking enemies that chase you, your stab tracking, great disguise acting (most difficult) perfect and flawless movement both with cloak and without, cloak managmet etc. Your point about movement applies to every class, not perse more by medic, sure more but not as much as people make it out to be
Also, medic is hard as fuck to pick up. Wrapping your head around healing everyone, who needs healing the most, when to heal, when to dmg, when to pop is all a part of picking him up but is also a part of mastering him (mastering him includes dmg surfing though) and its not like someone who was just installed the game and played it for 50 hours can play medic effectively, they're basically a sitting duck. They don't pop, they only heal heavies because health = good in their head and they just don't know how the class works in general.
Im a scout main (or a dick shovel, depending on were you come from) and this is my list: Easiest class to pick up: 1. Heavy - Can do lots of damage with high health 2. Sniper - No matter if you have good aim or not, the role of the class is pretty set 3. Soldier - Don't get mad at me, he shoots giant slow bullets that have splash damage 4. Pyro - If your trying to learn how to deal with things like a spy, or combos and even w+m1 sometimes, it can get difficult 5. Scout - Dodging can aiming at the same time with low health can be difficult, but he uses hitscan not projectiles (thankfully) 6. Demoman - Since the grenades (and stickies) have an ark, they can be hard to aim, not even counting the timing 7. Spy - Between the clocking, disguising and backstabbing, it takes skill (have I pleased you lord Gaben?) 8. Engineer - Building placement and maintaining them in the right order can be difficult 9. Medick - Have you not watched ArraySeven once?
As an engie main who commonly runs 40-kill games and or top of the leaderboard, i would say that its really easy to pick up and hard to master. You are going to have that 6 months of pain and sadness but once you finally get in that groove, you will be running 53 kill, 8 domination games after a year or two. Another thing about carrying your teams is teamwork. Its takes a single spy to ruin a whole nest and a single engie to wipe the enemy team. A single good or bad engie can make or break a bad team. For example, i played a really good round with a really good team vs a really bad one, won the first round then got immediately autobalanced onto the bad one. Somehow, i was able to turn that oncoming L around and carry off a last minute win with only 2 or 3 deaths and nearly 50 kills. Other than the last 5 seconds, it was all me. The last Cap on PL_Upward and a dispenser in the doorway (blocks spies) and a L3, i made it out with the sentry going down at the last minute. I held off the enemy team and the majority of them were about to cap but then my team came in with an amazing final defense and we stopped them. It was probably the best i had ever done as Engie, and the best i had done over any class. You just have to remember: Never give up and Watch out for spies. Stay fresh.
I main the question mark, checkmate But in all seriousness heavy has MANY more nuances and seemingly hidden techniques that are much more tricky than you'd image. He's typically fully targeted by the enemy team for having the best close range DPS so techniques such as ambushing, jump revving, and bhop revving can mean the difference between life and death and can be very tricky to get just right in the heat of battle, all the while managing spies and snipers to prevent instakills leaving the team with no meatshield and keeping the heat off of everyone with their health pool (which is depleted very fast when the whole other team checks you at "high threat" on their kill lists) all the while maintaining covering fire to boot. Heavy mains have a lot more on their plate than shooting and being silly snadivich boyes which really goes over people's heads. So please give the next heavy main you see a bit more credit (that is if you can find any, we're like unicorns we're so rare)
Also your team usually does crap to protect you and allows you to sponge bullets while they wander aimlessly and spam E. And then they waste uber by stalling... If anything, the Medic is the hardest class just based on the patience you need to develop to play as him.
The amount of insane judgement and crazy fast decisions you have to make with an engie in pressure takes his skill ceiling up quite a bit as well as sentry jumping with the rescue ranger and really good shotgun shots
I'd have to disagree about the heavy, while he's extremely easy to play, having to be the one to soak up all the damage means you need to try live long as possible doubled with that, your one of the highest priority classes to kill. And with several techniques to learn how to play,a ID say heavy still stays low but just at the middle.
I think the high priority class would be the medic pocketing the heavy that is letting said heavy to soak up all of the damage, but yes heavy should be higher up on the list :D
Bruh if you are a good engie you need to know if its worth upgrading your buildings, have to care about metal reserves, know where and when to place your buldings and have 3 (or 5, it depends) counters to look for. All of that while the team is crying for a dispenser in their face
I’ve been playing tf2 for about three years and I can that spy, sniper, and scout take a lot of skill to play effectively with. Obviously this doesn’t mean other classes are ineffective, but these three I would say are the hardest to play efficiently with. Making an impact in the game can be done pretty simply with the other classes, while these simply rely on your skill level
What? Sniper just need aiming, I'd say medic is SO SO SO SO SOOOOOO much harder to play efficiently than those (in a competitive setting), I would also say demo and soldier require more in a competitive setting as well, but in a pub I'd say spy, sniper, and medic
Ok sinister may have been extreme but yea besides dodging and aiming there nothing really else you need to know to play sniper, there’s no rocket jumping or taking out sentry nest or flanking, just point and shoot
@@NO-de7gx and by requiring that much less, he can put himself at absolutely 0 risk and kill EVERYTHING, he doesn't even need aiming to drop a medic! Also his only VIABLE counter (rip spy) is another sniper... *Balanced!*
@@jathkankanam and you need aiming in EVERY OTHER CLASS, sniper only needs this that's why he is stupidly easy to master compared to others, (discarding braindead heavy) pyro is universes harder to master than sniper, a pyro need reflections, game sence, positioning, flares, prediction, support, airblasting, working in last, negating uber, survivability, and more, what does sniper need? Aiming and positioning.... *That's it* , and by doing that little and putting himself at 0 risk, kills everything and doesn't even need good aim to drop a medic... And his only viable counter is himself...
As a TF2 veteran and a spy main, I'd say that spy Is really fun to play, whenever you get a backstab/trickstab you'll feel special, which makes it more fun to play spy.
@@Vukan.Kos. I feel it all the time! In that moment where u get a stab on an important enemy, a chain stab or a trickstab , nothing matters. It doesnt matterst if you died 10 times before without a single kill, the feeling you get is just in that moment that you are a god, a megamind, you are the one who fooled that engie with a trickstab, it just feels epic. Sadly this feeling only goes for like 1 sec then you realize the reality and die again to this one lvl 150 super-paranoid pyro.
Every class can be considered easy and hard, by different people. Everyone, has a favorite and easier and harder to play character, and they will have different opinions on that character. No one is correct and no one person's character ranking list is better than someone else's. We all play a Rated M game with a very cartoony look and it is very old. FUCKING ACT LIKE THE ADULTS AND HUMAN BEINGS WITH SOULS YOU WERE BORN AS! Even, if you are a child who plays this game, act more mature, because you will learn quickly, that the world won't take your shit on anything.
Dr. Dictator somebody who knows stuff. I like to play spy(lol just get ur c&d and disguise and cloak and walk and stop and try to backstab) and medic(cc, stock, stock) and engi(rescue ranger, stock,funslinger(hitbox and da critz and minisentry an hp))
Medic has such a huge role Constantly managing heals in order to keep an advantage Counting enemy medic uber Prioritizing heal targets Making calls There's just so much to a pro medic that goes unnoticed that separates a good medic from a great medic from an amazing medic.
Lee Lebensbaum hmmm it is, but there is SOOOO many things to learn as spy professionally, like in competetive its almost impossible to get behind the enemy, so i think spy deserves to be a bit higher. There is also trickstabs. Some people say u can just learn them, then ure done some people say they are impossible now... U need to know how to do them and do them when the enemy dosent suspect anything. Acting is also a VERY big thing, and can be very tricky, always being where the class should be and such. But i will aggrre there is also a lot of things to learn as medic :)
Lee Lebensbaum u are rigth but u forgot to mention that the medic has to survive while being The Number 1 Target at all times on pubs and Competitive (And surviving those 3 scunts,5 snipers and 3 spies on a Valve Pub can be hardcore )
As a Heavy main, he is *DECEPTIVELY* hard to master because he requires an insane amount of game sense to play right. You need to keep your ears open for Spy decloaks and enemy Medic voices to figure out if they have any charge going, your eyes open to see things as minuscule as Sniper dots and anything that moves, including Spies briefly flickering into existence, etc. Heavy requires a lot of awareness to pull off right.
I think a fun weapon for heavy that would also raise his skill ceiling a bit would be a minigun that had faster rev time, faster aim, less damage, more bonus damage up close, and the ability to knockback the heavy himself. This would allow the heavy to point his gun at the ground and basically have a jetpack that he could also aim at enemies at near point-blank for massive damage.
Every class could take the most skill depending on how you play, you could be w-m1 pyro which is useless and simple, you could go puff and sting which takes practice. And that does for everyclass
Monster man oh yes, it’s hard to shoot at a character that always moves in the direction that you airblast them, I like pyro but he is dead easy to play. M1+w is better now either way.
As a Gold/Plat Highlander Med main I would agree with you with med being the hardest simply because one little mistake that you make as med can cost your team a match. On no other classes is this true to the same extent. As well, everyone knows when one of the fragging classes do well because you can directly see the effects of them doing well, whereas for medics, everyone can see your mistakes just much more easily than what you do well.
I think engies have a high skill ceilling, they need to know where to place their things, if it is a good time to haul or upgrade, when to use your wrangler and sentry jumping may be useful, you may use it to get on a roof and use the wrangler to kill everyone down there.
omg yes what a high skill ceiling that you need to know where you place your things... Now seriously: 90% of engies learn their sentry spots from yt vids or by other engineers. Placing your building doesnt requires much skill as for every map there are just a few options which make sense... once you have a good spot, u use it 80% of the time. Obv this doesnt relates to battle engineers who actually take skill.
1 hour ago: -I just watched this new awesome video, -Then I downloaded the second song of this episode, (see in the description) -Immediately after I launched TF2 Casual Mode with this song in my ears, -And I saw Toofty on the opposite team as a Demoman ! What kind of spooky sorcery is this ! Invokum Toofty ? Spooky !
In my opinion for someone new to fps shooters this is the list, easiest to hardest Medic-No need to aim, can be pretty helpful to the team even if they're bad Heavy-Has a lot of health, powerful, and doesn't require precise aiming Pyro-Can easily deal damage if within range, but other mechanics such as airblasting or spychecking could prove hard Soldier-Due to the blast damage makes it slightly easier to aim shots Scout-Movement might be hard to master but if you have a slower target then it might not be too hard Demoman- I thought about putting it before scout, but since you have to predict enemy movement it'd be hard, not to mention arc the grenades Sniper- Aiming and shooting moving targets is really hard for someone new to fps games Engineer-You need to know how to build, what's a good spot to put what, spycheck, and a bunch of other stuff that could overwhelm new players. Spy-You need to know what each weapon does, the map, good hiding places, who to disguise as, etc. lmk your opinion
Sniper is easiest due to his insta kill potential with his ammo reserve and infinite range to spam shots without needing to move or enegage in the fight. Engineer just needs a safe place to build and wait with an auto aim turret so hes a but harder than W M1 pyro due to time needed and positioning.
I absolutely agree with Medic being the hardest class to master, but not so much with the "easy to pick up" category, because there are many layers to Medic, such as primary heal targets, priorities, survivability, etc. New players mostly don't know that. In fact, most new players, I find, generally always use the Syringe Gun because they think it's some sort of rifle that can output massive damage. And when I see them use the Medi Gun, they usually attach themselves to a Heavy and never really know when to start healing others. Heavy dies? Pull out Syringe Gun, run at the enemies - Rambo style. But other than that, the list was fairly spot on.
u agree with the sphee :C Anyways, on a more serious note, I believe he put the Medic up there as it doesn't take much effort to pop a basic uber and press mouse 1 on teammates. I'm not trashtalking or anything, as a matter of fact, I highly respect med mains, staying alive is a bitch. But you must understand that it doesn't take much game experience to help your team, such as pyro and heavy. And on more note, it saddens me that I have to agree with you on this but, yes, 80% of the medics I find (my team or their team) are convinced their syringe gun is like that needle gun from blops 3, and to make things worse, my friend (who hardly plays tf2, like, at all) plays Blutsauger only medic and refuses to heal teammates, he even made me buy a vintage KS one ;-;
Krysonox Invite your other friends to do the same. Scream at him. Report him to the FBI for not being a proper Medic. Wait, no, don't do that last one, it's a bit overkill...
-Medic mains give themselves too much credit, they act like they're complete gods and they blame their flays on their team, toxic and lots of ego, I can tell because I used to be a Medic main and I do act like that.-
I play alot of medic (in top 3 for most played) and it absolutely sucks when you are healing a soldier or demo for a push and then u are about to uber then he rocket jumps and bails out on you
I agree with you, but I also want to bring something up. A medic is kind of useless without a good team backing them. I've had a lot of rounds where the person I'm healing leaves me to die or wastes my ubercharge running away xD.A lot of medic mains tho, use this as an excuse tho, even tho most times you're going to be responsible for it
Well i was new to tf2 and my friend made hoovy jokes. I didnt understand them and downloaded the game and played heavy 24/7(I eventually understood the community). I played heavy and died alot. All i saw was spys soilders and scouts coming for me. I got sick of it. A month later I actually sorta got familiar with the game and played heavy alot better. I was still sick of it. But i had no choice since it was the only class I knew. When i learned that i was actually on a team and stopped beind f2p scum i noticed how people died so quickly. Rocket hits demo and is ded. Scout jump around and shoot heavy. ded. I wanted to stop it and make them less frustrated(I assumed people would get mad at dying over and over again). I press , and saw a doctor like shape. I hovered over it and read that clipboard no one does. "Heal your teammates with your medigun!" I clicked. From that game of Upward my ratio of dying in a game as medic has gone down to on average(I actually did math) to at least 3 times a match. Welp thats my medic main story.
Where was that list of 100 reasons to not doing it... Well I remember 50% of it. **It have so little damage that only one you can kill with it is only other melee scout, or unskilled player**
the thing that puts skill ceiling of any class at impossible, is reading your opponents i was heavy, and i was fighting engi and his sentry, a demoknight tried to flank me, but i noticed it, and switched my position, he tried to flank me like 3 times before dying, also he had eyelander, splendid screen, boots, so if he landed his shots correctly he would kill me easily
Big Joey slap nuts: woah woah woah heavy takes a lot of skill Me: how so Big Joey slap nuts: heavy is a slower WM1 pyro But seriously heavy is a powerful class even if your a new player not knowing what your doing. But a heavy main (the 12 that exist) are terrifying to go up against
I can see how trickstabbing is difficult and impressive, but have you seen the insane rocket jump combos some players are able to achieve? Also their is the Market Gardener and Manntreads which encourage and reward skillful jumping.
if u ask me their both really similar because myself, as a spy main, still cant do some trickstabs and for soldier chain jumping is difficult when u use an actual rocket launcher so i dunno but whatever you want to think
Ever seen a Demoman acting like a soldier then suddenly doing a charge into an uber medic + soldier duo before donking them both off a cliff? I was that medic, and that thing caught me by surprise so hard I forgot how to surf for a moment. Surfing wouldn't have saved me anyway.
This is for picking up classes. In my opinion scout is at the middle of the spectrum. He was the first class i played, and I got a couple of kills on other players fairly quickly. I would put Solly at the lower end because, i tried him for one hour and i got 2 dominations in that time. (This was in my first 3 hours of tf2). I would put Pyro just under solider because you can hold mouse one as he said. And flank routes are pretty simple. Equip the backburner and get some kills. Demoman is at the higher end because the pipes are really hard to hit because of tumbling. I had trouble with them because i could not predict them. I personally never used stickys so i don't have a say in that. Heavy would be in the middle, because if there is a medic he would have the medic on him. But Snipers and Spies will destroy them quickly. Engie is a bit higher than heavy because of building, but you can just learn from past mistakes and tutorials. Medic is higher than Engie but it's really close. It's because the medic will get focused down by scouts. And he will most likely die. Sniper is in the middle. Where engie is at i think. He is hard to play but because they are not new to games it won't be that hard. Spy is hard, everyone is so aware that new spies have to get kills on other clueless people to get better. They don't know how to trickstab and they dont know how to act and manage their cloak.
Savvas Savvides That is why Hoovy is a noon class because you learn that the sniper will headshot you,spy will back stab you ,demo man/soldier will eEXPLODE YOU..OK?Cuz everybody is going for you..
But you are also prioritized by medics of all level when your team have one. I rarely play heavy but I found when I do it's really easy to get a good k/d ratio and points per life compare to other classes
it depends on both, with demo if your running a shield/sticky jumper for your secondary a scout whos better at dodging then you are at aiming will always win. to kill a good player as spy you have to make them think they have you figured out then do something else and you have a gun
I remember pyro was easiest to me when I first joined. I got around eight-ten hours on them doing jungle contracts before trying medic. I may not have as much room to say since I only have 60 hours on him, but medic is harder to master. I can stay alive longer than when I started. Hell I nearly got the Intern achievement twice on the same day
The entry level scale makes sense, as the classes that are easier to pick up are more point and click, middle is slightly more indirect, and the tricky ones are the least “just point and shoot” classes
Im a pyro main , Pyro is hard to master in terms of airblasting and reflects on point blank especially huntsman arrows that a pybro of course, should defend from incoming projectiles.
Puff n Sting is hard to master as well. The flare gun is a tiny, slow projectile with an arc and no AOE. Compared to Soldier with his straightforward, easy to aim rockets.
When I was new to TF2, I was a Medic Main, but all I do is just healing. But when I returned after a year, I transitioned to a Heavy Main. I do play some other classes like Pyro or Engi. I think Engi is easy to play if you follow another engi. Like if there are lots of engies in your team, you can just join them build a wall of sentries and help them upgrade and repair. Sniper for me is really hard cuz I suck at aiming. I don’t usually play as the spy, soldier and demoman. Scout is really interesting in fact I managed to win a round of ctf in 2fort without even fighting with scout. Just running, sneaking, taking the intel is just satisfying.
I started off with scout and i feel like once you have figured out what kills you the extra mobility will help you fall back to your team fairly easily
Imo, Sniper has an unreachable by human being skill ceiling. Have you ever seen a legit sniper player, who was destroying an entire lobby as hard as bots do? I haven't.
That's only because they have a long range insta crit weapon, but that doesn't mean it requires more aiming than any other hitscan class. Aimbot scouts in the hands of anyone decent would also hard stomp an entire server, in that sense, a Sniper requires less skill because it only needs to move their mouse, while the Scout would also need to know how to dodge, remember the scattergun does 100+ damage at full, it can 2 shot every class minus Heavy in 0.6 seconds. What about a Soldier that never misses a single rocket (that includes airshots), and got in an out of range at crazy speeds? Heavy does 500 dps at close, and at range still does a LOT (assuming perfect aim). Most classes have infinite skill ceilings in theory, Sniper simply has the strongest weapon in the game.
@@federicopalacios7439 I wouldn't say sniper has the strongest weapon I think that would go to the sticky bomb launcher, you have basically the rockets without Directs, good moment and the ability to store damage and control where people go.
Things that classes should learn. Scout - Dodging (Hard (after as H) ), Predicting (Easy (after as E) ) , accuracy (medium) and reaction (E). Soldier - Rocket jumping (and Mobility in it) (M( Im not talking about those "1 rocket Jump",Im meaning all versions of it") ), Airshot (H), Survivability (E if you know Rjumping and M if you are noob(Cause SOLDIER WHO ACTUALLY CAN REACH THE POINT FASTER THAN SCOUT) ),direct rocket (M) Pyro - Reflecting (H), Mobility, (M), Distance shortening (H), Survivability and Dodging (H, cause ffs, he needs to be 4 fucking m away from target,thats enough to lose half of your face),REACTION (M), cornering (E,requires brain to not hold flamethrower in hands while standing behind the corner) Demoman - Predictions (E) , Trimping, (M easy ones and H for long ones on impossible for those maps(like Turbine) , sticky jumping and timing (E), sticky preparations (E) (I mean those stickies that you throw in ass of the world for your opponent was unable to go this way), airpipe (H) , direct pipe (E) , air direct M2 sticky (M),mobility,survivability are E for him,cause HIS EVERY SECONDARY GIVES MOBILITY AND HE ENOUGH SURVIVABLE WITH CONTAINING THIS AMOUNT OF DAMAGE ON HANDS ,Loose cannon calculating (E) Heavy - simple, Survivability(M),dodging(H),cornering (E,requires Tomislav) Engineer - Map knowing (E,that's a question of experience),sentry jumping (E) ,Mini sentry jumping (H),survivability (E),spotting (M) , anti uber resolutions (H,why everyone being so stressed while seeing ubered heavy going your way?). There could be more but all of them about ANTI-CLASS only and all of them are E Medic - Dodging,Survivability,Prediction,reaction,attention,timing,correct uber teammate choosing,correct hiding - H,multi uber(E), Air Crossbow (M) Sniper - Fast Headshotting - H, Headshotting - M, Dodging (AHAHAHAHAHHA,M,that's not about 2Fort A D spamming),distance keeping - (E),prediction (E), Fast target shotting (M), timing (E) ,charge calculating (Easiest thing in the game),close range headshotting (M) ,melee cornering (E,this thing is for " oh no,im being followed"),hiding and knowing of spots (E,requires experience). Spy -ammobox knowledge (E,REQUIRES EXP), trickstabbing (M),acting (H),dodging (E),ambassador headshotting (M),target prioritising (E),timing (M) ,hiding spot knowledge (E),escaping (M), "silent working" (i mean backstabbing lonely targets (or not only)without being spotted (H),prediction (E), correct disguising (E).
I don't feel like Heavy got a whole lot of love in this. Heavy isn't all that easy to pick up, nor is he easy to master. You have to learn how to aim, track your enemy perfectly, maintain damage on them, and even figure out some way to flank the enemy into making them get close enough so you can do damage. I've seen more bad Heavies than I have good Heavies, so I feel like he actually has a relatively high skill ceiling. Heavy may be the first class that people play when they first begin playing the game, but that doesn't really mean that he's easy to master. My personal opinion may be a bit biased since I am a Heavy/Soldier main, so go figure I'll feel like Heavy isn't easy to play.
But hitscan aim is useful to all other classes as well, except for maybe demo and medic. Playing Scout is basically like playing Heavy except squishier, requires much more mobility and jumping, and you need to learn how to aim while moving and be unpredictable.
But heavy can't get out of situations because of his speed. Scout can just turn away jumping around... Every single encounter must be thought of with heavy due to spinup.
Rhike I use the Tomislav as my main weapon, so my spin-up is faster than others, but I usually spin-up mid-air as I'm jumping around corners to flank enemies, as well as spin-up as soon as I see a glimpse of an enemy. There is strategy behind playing as such a large class that (as you said) cannot get out of most encounters alive. That's why I believe that he isn't a necessarily easy class to play, as he requires both skill and tactic in order to be made useful.
Just Moved In Most of the time hitscan can be incredibly unforgiving, especially with Snipers. Scout and Heavy are nothing alike, since Scout has double-jump, is the fastest class, and can capture everything twice as fast. Heavy, on the other hand, can't avoid bullets as easily as most other classes, which is why you have to kill the enemy before they kill you. Scout DOES require some skill and effort in order to double-jump and still maintain aim on the target, which is difficult to do sometimes. But I've been in encounters where Scouts run at me and I'll mow them down before they can do any major damage to me. It's all dependent on how skilled the player is which determines how many encounters the class can survive.
I think spy should be moved up a few spaces, trickstabs, movement, blending in, deception and much more. But heavy in my opinion is very difficult to master. Yes there are less mechanics for the heavy but he is so difficult to play effectively in high level competitive play. Heavy's most important factor is his movement , hes a huge slab of meat and against high level opponents you are very vulnerable, mastering movement of the heavy is very hard and requires a lot of brain. Positioning is also key, you cant just run into a payload covered in enemies, you need to know when to fall back, set up with your team and keep your medic safe above all else. Heavy can almost be thought in a way like an engineer, good positioning, movement and judgement of when to fall back, keeping your team safe and mowing down anybody that dares to over extend.
Arie Roskam That made me think of heavy in a whole different way. It's really kind of like he's a "sentry", with medic being the engineer. That proves 2 things about the 3 classes. 1. Heavy must be in a good position, just like engi's sentry, 2. Medic while shouldn't abandon heavy (just like engi shouldn't abandon a sentry), should definitely not be his pocket medic (compared to turtle engineer) and focus on other people (buildings and spies with engi)
John Spignardo somehow as a medic i have a really good spy detection skill :o unless he decloaks on our spawn and walks up to the battlefield without me turning around (which i do often, and i spycheck even people coming from the direction of our spawn, so good luck), i can tell who's a spy from far away.
Easiest: Pyro and Spy Hardest: Sniper, Soldier, Demo and Medic. For me. Also, I'm a Medic main, and yeah, it's hard to play him. You have to avoid snipers and Spies. You have to decide who will get the uber. You have to decide who to heal. And you need a bit of good aim for the CC.
A bit out of topic but still, spys who relies only on trickstabs are hilarious, like he runs around corner, backs up and looks at you with this "Why didn't you follow me?" Expression. And then he gets fucked up.
soldier is no doubt the easiest class to play. they can do damage to multiple targets without even hitting anyone, they have extremely unreasonable damage output, they can rocket jump all over the map making them faster than scout and they also having high health
Normally you would think that a video from 4 years ago would be irrelevant but since Tf2 hasnt recieved a update in forever its actually still usefull; thanks, Valve!
"How hard is it to master?"
>Medic
>Impossible
_ArraySeven intensifies_
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@@tiptoe8921 well now you've just created a lie within your response
@@tiptoe8921 fuckin' liar.
As a medic main I agree
@@lildan1796 as a pyro main, sorry
The hardest thing about The Spy is that he’s utterly unique to TF2 so even if you are no stranger to FPS games, he’s still foreign territory.
Not if you are familiar with Metal Gear Solid
@@giahuynguyenkim6389 Metal Gear isn’t an FPS
@@CollegeBallYouknow I know
@@CollegeBallYouknowIronic how the other guy brought up Metal Gear Solid when your pfp is literally Senator Armstrong.
Haki
Medic is hard to master because skill as him relies more on judgement than actual performance. Good medics are ones that can predict the future and that's not easily learned.
ArraySeven
Can you play battle medic
The only problems I have with medic are the medi guns (I prefer to use Kritzkrieg , but I use the stock a lot) and the lack of so to speak "interesting" weapons. I like the medic as a class a lot, if it weren't for the all father, the B.M.O.C, and the gift bringer, medic would be my favorite class. However, medic still has a few to a lot of problems. If I were to suggest something to new players trying to work with the medic, I'd say simply "Work on your jukes and hiding places." Because as a medic, people will want to target you over the class you're healing if you've played the game for more than an hour and have a basic understanding of the class. Thanks Array if you actually read this, I know how hard it can be to play medic in the first place and I like your videos because they helped me understand how to be a good player at the game.
Yeah but rocket jumping is one of the hardest forms of tech skill to ever master. Engineer isn't the most challenging to play but requires some creativity on the players part.
yeah like sniper i have had a hard time mastering the sniper
ArraySeven yah, i main medic
Toofty: heavy is the most easiest class to pick up!
New players: shooting at snipers that are 9000 meters away while standing still
The sniper shot heavy with 1 bullet.
Pyro: yes
@@VolkTikhon boolet
well, he means if you are smart and have basic and common sense. The newer players are probably little kids who somehow have access to these things.
And then you see this in chat:
(DEAD)[new player]: hax
easiest is every class
hardest are those bumper cars minigame
So true
'From scrap to unusual' -minigame is also a bitch to master.
Swiss Ball Navigating the menu and forums are the hardest. Just kidding.
Mixa Also the Unboxing the unusual
9gagger or nah?
I think he is right about spy for entry level because when I started, I thought the sapper turned him invisible.
My retarded friend told me it was a ghost scanner, like wtf?!
Same! I pressed mouse 2 when i switched to the sapper for the first time and then i thought that it turned me invisible
Ya! When I first played spy I thought the disguise kit turned you into another class and you get the weapons they have like echos ult in In over watch!
Yea i did that as well, and i thought you could back stab people while invisible so after i figured out how the cloak works i ended up just running up behind the enemy team while invisible spamming m1
Lol guys why no one in this comment section use the tutorials in-game?
All of them are extremely hard to master..
Don't you understand how many hats you need to buy?
lol lol Reserve shooter got nerfed LUL.
@lol lol the point ur saying pyro is the most hard to master just cause u use it lol
TheNotorious Dog lmao
sorry to bother, but maybe the community could help here, I created a simple google spreadsheet for class difficulty in picking up and mastery, you guys wanna help me? docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XtNv5v99G640lAINLv70KWnvO0ihE0Fa2Y8MBeB2yP4/edit?usp=sharing
Kaneep r/woooosh
Skill ceiling
(Puts engineer in hard and not in impossible)
Uncle Dane: _you've yee'd your last haw_
*Battle Engies intensifies everywhere*
Looking at other classes like Scout, Solly, and Sniper which are near impossible classes to master Engie is not hard to “master” at all. It’s all about learning placement for buildings and having at least decent shotgun aim. Wrangler is broken, Minis are broken, Rescue is broken. See what I’m getting at here? So overall Engie is definitely one of the easiest classes to master (in a comp scene)
@@bluarrow4505 thats uh...big oversimplification to put it mildly.
Yeah, so metal management, maintaining buildings, situational awareness and other things aren’t part of the equation at all times? Building placement ain’t just it chief, you have to know when to do it, and one slip up means your dead in a matter of seconds. The rescue ranger isn’t op because not only is it’s clip size smaller, but it fires bolts that really don’t do enough damage to defend yourself on top of the fact that you take mini crits when moving buildings leaving you much more vulnerable. Engie is one of the hardest classes to master because there are many different things you can do with him, and many different playstyles.
Also, yeah sniper and scout are hard to master,
Snipers just a point and click adventure game and scout is move jump and hit shots. Legit if you think that scout, the class that is only about movement and aiming is easier then engineer then you are sorely mistaken
Crit heals, crossbow mastery, uber masking, danger prediction, timing, self defence, projectile surfing... Yeah medics need to learn a lot
staswalle Except spies also need to learn all of that (except the first three), along with trickstabbing, disguises, proper knives in certain situations, amby headshots, hit boxes, movement prediction, etc.
IMO spy is the hardest to master, especially since you can literally carry the shit out of your team if you’re good :)
TEV GD amby headshots? You don’t always have to use amby. Revolver or others are fine choices too. Amby is overrated imo. Don’t get me wrong, amby is a good gun, but feel like the rest also needs some love.
Arwin Tan Sort of talking about a pub stomp loadout
I like to hear that my main is the most skillful (at least in a lot of people’s opinion)
Zone Tan k
how to become a pro scout
observe a fly
ITS FUNNY BECAUSE ITS SO ACCURATE
Wait until a fly swatted is about to hit you before dodging, whiz around in impossible patterns, never know how to get out of buildings full of people, annoy the shit out of everyone, die the moment fire licks your ass, and always getting stuck on sticky traps, yep, sounds like a scout.
Scout: *I'M A FREAKING BLUR*
To observe the fly, Scout must become the fly.
He’s not wrong...
ToofyTV: *mentions rocket jumping*
Quake Players: The Expert
*huh*'s menacingly
Each class has certain aspects that take skill:
Scout: Movement
Soldier: Blast jumping
Pyro: Flanking
Demo: Blast Jumping and Pipe aim
Heavy: Gamesense and awareness
Engineer: Shotgun DM, building placement and gamesense
Medic: Uber counting and heal spreading
Sniper: Aim and positioning
Spy: Noticing opportunities and acting
>pyro
>skill
lmao
Pyro and Engineer also have blast jumping. Just pointing that out.
@@seanpota9056 barely viable on engie considering how squishy he is and how much damage you need to take for it
@@telesnow :(
@@telesnow - airblast
- overall game sense
- flare jumping
- knowing strats used by enemy spy
- memorizing when enemies group up
- combos
- as they said, flanking
Honestly, I play Pyro because it's easier than other classes.
I have inexistent experience in first person shooters, and if using the w-m1 tactic can help my team I will surely use it, even if people insult me for that.
And burning people alive surely is fun.
Non-existent*
Luckily I dont get insulted by people for wm1ing because I can kill and dominate just with a shotgun.
Wm1 doesn't work except against newer players, just pybro or flank
It's ok to the moment when you starts taunting after kill (bro , it's annoying as fuck)
*obiously the easiest, just w+m1*
“Demoman takes skill!”
Oh wait im a demo main
I can confirm hitting pipes takes skill
ProMlgPolarBear Loch n load doesn't bro, but I like sticky trapping one way and either chasing into it or use it to make them take another way and send stock pills that way
@@BigDaddy-je2nq bruh wtf loch n load takes way more skill then stock
@@desko2041 Exactly, it's harder then stock
bop god I disagree. No projectile arc, faster projectile speed..? It’s easier. Soldier’s direct hit is easier to hit- just not splash. Same with Loch n Load.
@@cherrysoda4462 Yeah I guess, for me it's kinda hard to line up shots since I'm so used to the stock projectile speed, plus even if I miss there's always splash, which the Direct Hit doesn't have
The tenth class takes most skill
I guess it's because you're trying to play a dead class.
He is technically right. The tenth class is random. You will never master the random.
The tenth class is really tough i agree
He’s playing the “RANDOM CLASS”
ITS MISS PAULING XDDDDD
As a pyro main, i can confirm that pyro is an extremely easy class, even being a combo pyro doesnt take too long to master.
GrapeLeaf yeah i wish they made m1 less viable and made combo do more damage and they had it harder to master. hes a relatively weak class in terms of damage and specific class picking, at least imo. hes definitely got his strengths, though. scouts snd spies are pretty weak against him if you know what youre doing. but stickies can pretty much fully prevent a pyro from getting to your team. however, when im playing medic or engie, a good pyro would have prevented most of my deaths.
GrapeLeaf i am a pyro main and i can confirm that pyro takes skill, example: airblast rocket jumping, reflecting projectiles, etc.
But which other class is a combo class? Other than demoman, which even then will probably do well even with only the stickybomb or the grenade launcher. A pyro that only uses his flamethrower is not very good.
@@acommonmilk1726 only two reasons, and both can be replaced by a simply thermal thruster lool
JohnTGamer so you’re saying that a jet pack can replace airblasting projectiles?
Heavy is impossible to master cus u always need money to buy new hats and stuff 4 him
Adam Garozzo still the easiest there's a reason heavy hats don't sell as much as spy or soldier 😂
perfict reasoning
Widowmaker less buyers means less sellers cuz no one is so patient to wait 9493636325 years to sell a hat so heavy tak35 a l0t 0f 5k1ll 5krub
Ye
Heavy hats are the least expensive hats.
As a Heavy main, I'm kinda insulted about how low you put him on both scales. Heavy may not have any gimmicks like rocket/sticky/doublejumping, but he is directly below the Medic in terms of teamwork. Heavies also get targeted far more than someone like the scout, so a new player might find him difficult to play, just because everyone targets him.
But hey, maybe I'm just salty because of how many people seem to hate my big Russian boi.
Maxwell Hu Not gonna lie, that's pretty clever. I'll use that some time.
elias Ok, uhh. Hmm. See, I don't like being rude, but... Well, I can't really take what you said seriously. I honestly had to read your comment three times before I could understand it, and frankly, I don't really listen to soldier mains complaining about other classes. Soldier was made by Valve to be an easy class, for new players. So I kinda find your comment hypocritical.
Oh, crap. I spent waaayyy too long replying to that. Sorry if I came off as rude.
Joshua Barker I don’t personally play heavy because I prefer sniper and scout but heavy by far has my favourite personality so I value and respect your main big Russian boi
Heavy is not skill based, but a strategical, and sneaky/ surprising or accurate heavy can easilly turn games around, heavy also takes skill in surviving when no medics are around, that's pretty hard
I think that it would be better if heavy had a shield to support his team mates, but when he equips the shield he can not be overhealed or be uber. this would balance it out a bit, and I would like to see what kind of pushes players would do with a shielded heavy. this is purely my opinion but you can also share your idea if my "weapon" it bad.
"Rocket jumping is very hard and therefore soldier is impossible to master"
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Soundsmith has a lot to learn in regards of rocket jump.
@@williamcoelho892
C'mon soldier is pretty easy to master you really only need the basics of rocket jumping
@@PunchMagneT do you understand how this even works? If you only know the basics then you didn't master it. You just contradicted yourself..
BunZss yea soilder isn’t kinda easy, well maybe not the direct hit
according to this comment section;
- medic is the hardest class to master
- scout is also the hardest class to master
- sniper is also the hardest class to master
- medic is also the easiest class to master
- demo is placed too high
- heavy mains are big mad
- and when you pick pyro you lose all brain function
lol where is the spy
And Engie is forgotten
Pyro is easy enough to understand, but actually refining your skills with something besides the Phlogistinator takes time.
Detonator jumping
The positioning required to make the backburner worth anything
Airblasting
Using the thermal thruster
Spychecking
Whatever the heck is going on with the dragon's fury
All of this takes skill.
@@Attaxalotl I disagree,it’s really easy to do all these things,except maybe the back burner positioning.
@@krool_ You think the dragon's fury is easy to use?
The thermal thruster is easy to mistake for easy, but there's a bunch of little gimmicky ways to move.
nowhere near as hard as rocket jumping, but it's not easy.
"Every class has a high skill-ceiling, even pyro."
bursting laughter
"One that can control projectiles like they are a bike, and send enemies wherever they wish with airblasts."
*sweats profusely*
All fun and games until they come across literally any hitscan class other then an unfocused heavy
@@594-d9b To be fair, they were talking about difficulty, not effectiveness. I would argue Spy is a very difficult class, but the reward for actually playing Spy is rather minimal.
Just wait until I airblastedrocketjump on yo back 😂
It’s all fun and games laughing at bad pyro mains until sketchek joins the lobby
@@michaelbesser5348 yeah backstabbing a 100% charged medic and sapping a well placed lvl 3 sentry are minimal rewards
Engineers... carrying teams and dealing with all the shit they do changes you, man
A whole lot of Engineers will change a man.... into a spy for the round.
engi mains are like retail workers
Glowdude
everyone wants a tele but never wants to keep it running
everyone wants a sentry covering them but nobody wants to babysit it
everyone wants a dispesner as a second medic but no one ever wants to watch all of its surroundings
just like how everyone wants a pocket but basically nobody wants to be the pocket
people say the medic is the backbone of the team
i argue tht engineer could easily compete for that spot
@@soopcanwastaken indeed, an engineer can heal you, refill your ammo, transport you to the front lines, defend you and the objective, break an the enemies push (with the power of the wrangler), watch your back and when things get dire and has the right Loadout, can 1v1 an explosives class
As an engie main I'm glad to see people calling out teams that don't do their part in helping the engie but still bitch when we can't get anything done because the rest of the team is too busy getting rolled to buy time for a solid engie setup to be built
Heavy mains watching: 😐
As if there is one
@BoPoe Twitch cool
@BoPoe Twitch Highlights i main heavy too
I kinda expected this tbh lol
@Swage Buges yes, which is why I like him. But he’s easy to be a target and die too.
I had sort of the opposite experience to the spy difficulty when starting out. My best class was spy for a while because, while I didn’t know how to aim well, I knew how to position myself to get stabs. This may have been just because I was introduced to tf2 through lazypurples “how it feels” series.
Same
introduced to tf2 by that too, and i immediately picked spy because DAMN, is it *satsfying* to get a backstab
Same but was the Hiftpe that for me to main it
Scout obviously, being toxic takes a lot of skill
Lime scout moment
as a scout main i have to agree
Thats weird, cause since im new, no experience, only yt. And go off with it- and its easy if im being honest xd
I never understood the mentality that all scouts are toxic. It's not true.
@@Inconspicuous-Gnome its just that when you main someone it’s always most likely because of their meet the vid. You like the personality and you since you can relate you’re gonna act like the person you main
yo you forgot to crouch up and down as heavy so snoipin aint a gud job m8
I want to hate you but i cant, i fucking love you because of this
It’ll be challengin work, outta dorz
That's why I aim at the balls.
The *absolute* basics of medic are:
- Keep track of your team
- Keep track of your uber
- Keep track of your health.
But much more often, it's:
- Are you playing offensively, or defensively?
- Can you predict shots with the crossbow?
- What's the enemy team doing? Their layout? Team comp?
- What's *your* team doing? Their layout? Team comp?
- What medigun is the best choice for both layouts?
- Are you pushing, or staying back?
- Is it a good idea to follow your team, or stay back because the push might fail?
- What can you call out?
And lots of other things like that. For me, medic is an autopilot thing. It was extremely hard to pick up, but once you learn everything you need to learn, you can just do it without thinking. You see a spy? Call him out. Scout at fifty? Get him to ninety, get on your soldier. Engie? Stock time.
If you run a more offensive playstyle (like me), run blutsauger. If you run a more safe, defensive playstyle, run crossbow. If the enemy team has an engie, run stock for a push. Remember to listen to your team.
So yeah, medic is hard to master in the grand scheme of things. But it's more of a psychological game than actually picking up the class and learning its mechanics. Can you handle talking to people constantly, and constantly being talked to? Are you comfortable with calling most things out? Can you game sense your ass through the fifth dimension? If so, then yeah, medic will be pretty easy for you to master.
But if you need even a *little* bit of practice, it'll get hard real quick. Most of medic's key concepts can be taught and learnt easily, but the little subsets that come off them are absolutely insane. Like, what's your playstyle? The comp, all that.
I can say I've gotten really good as medic, and maybe even near mastery, but medic is hard to consider as a "yes or no" when it comes to mastering. It all depends on your playstyle, analytics, and what your team needs.
Your comment makes us medic mains proud. I'm just sick of people not respecting us just because they don't know what us medics have to juggle and consider.
@@CTF_Doc Thanks. People tend to over-assume things about medic, and think that playing him is just an easy switch to flip on and off. It's not. It's really frustrating to think about every possible situation that could happen and pick the most likely one-- then cater to that specific sitch. I'm glad I portrayed it right, I was never really the best at words.
ok boomer
@@matthewbailey1475 What do you mean by that? It is just an opinion.
I will now be German again
Goodbye America
"ExCuSe mE Im aN AmAzInG sPy MaIn, sPy TaKeS tHe MoSt sKiLl ObViOuSlY."
pYrO iS thE HaRDesT tO pIcK uP aND mAstEr (no im not a pyro main)
@@flame6983 Ngl, the generalist classes take tons of skill
I mean I dont main spy I would say spy is hardest to main in my opinion though!
@@thatcooldudeisawesome876 Hardest to main-Yes. Hardest to master-Yeah with Scout, Solider, Demo and Medic. I personally think that Scout, Solider, Demo, Medic and Spy are the best classes in TF2, all having insane skill expression (Sniper too, but his thing is aim and snipers exist in other games so its not anything special, but god snipers deserve to be recognized just as much as everyone else). With Scout, being a literal fly, with Solider and demo the insane projectile jumps, Spy has his trickstabs and deception and Medic while not noticeable and montage worthy has insane impact.
Edit: Also spy is the hardest to MAIN, because of how annoying is to deal with the Pyros and Heavies. Rage is the hardest thing to overcome and maining Spy brings a lot of it.
@@vali_bg5234 i main spy and have just gone to sleep 2 hours earlier because i was literally slamming my desk repeatedly
Mechanical skill or just skill in general? I would argue spy, it is a tougher class mechanically but when you think about mind games and getting into the enemy's head, the skill ceiling is as big as the human brain.
This works for the other 8 classes as well
You can use mind games and predictions as other classes too. Maybe even more cus you cant just run away and use your team to distract.
a trick i use is when someone chases me i run in a direction *not cloaked* , then i cloak and go the way i want to go to escape, the enemy shoots the direction i went in but i just went somewhere else
Spy main=PhD in everything in ze world
Man playing fucking psycho warfare damn spy mains are so up themselves.
But like I'm a pyro main so like lol
It's funny how everyone's complaining about how the class they main should be way further up even though his chart is extremely accurate.
if everyone is complaining i dont think that its completely accurate heavys and snipers kina got the shitty side of things and demo is over compensated like what did engis do to deserve getting bottom teir
As a Medic, i actually agree with the listing he gave, easy to pick up, almost impossible to actually learn the ins and outs of
Caveman Joey yes. Nobody wants to play him is the problem. I also see Medics 1 out of 3 games. He’s literally a W+M1 Pyro with a health gun instead of a flamethrower.
@Caveman Joey hoy many of those spies get enough points that would be considered a good match for a begginer, and how many medics get enough points to be considered a good match. And nobody wants to play medic because they want to be the action not see it. I mainly play demo but i am mot good with it.
@Caveman Joey Just because of classes easy to pick up, doesn't mean people are going to pick it. Think about it, which one would you as a fresh install pick? You have the guy who can run around, double jump, and shoot people with a shotgun, a person who can go invisible, this guy is the enemy team in order to trick and become a master of disguise, and get a one-hit KO with from the back, or you can choose the guy who you left click on a teammate and they do all the work, while you just stay in the back and do basically nothing. Which one sounds more fun to you?
Obviously the hardest is Spy. Spy must know everything - the maps, all the ammo/medkits, all classes, what they can do, psychology, Spy must see himself in the reflection in the eyes of the foes, he must understand how to mind-trick, when to strike, must have a good aim to use pistol to get away from nasty situations, must have tons of experience with cloaking, feeling when it's full invis, know when he has healing signs on him in cloak or a syringe that gives him away. And, of course, feel perfectly the positioning with all the lags. Cause even without facestabbing it takes skill to BS and sap.
And to be efficient he must do all that fast. While all other classes can stay safe, Spy must not only rely 100% on his own skill but also deal with luck and psychology. And any mistake is death. Sniper has distance, Medic has his team, all other classes can kill and defend. As each of them you can do your little job even without knowing much but a Spy is zero without knowledge of everything and awareness of the situation.
And easiest is hard to tell. Med can just stick to his team and heal, no need for more, just watch what others do and learn tactics and maps. Sol is a good choice for any newbie. Sol can adapt. Much health, any distance damage, can kill most classes 1 on 1 if going against same newbies. Splash, crockets... It's just stable. Heavy takes aiming to play and lazy Heavies who don't turn around get killed too fast so I wouldn't say he's easy. Engie is easy only if you know where to build. A newbie won't save his buildings from Spies so it takes a supporting team. But at least you don't need to aim, just know what to do. Scout is good for those who can play shooters but don't know the maps. So different noobs need different classes to start with.
The only thing I want from my team of noobs is to be useful. No need to be capable of killing, just shoot at the enemies and stay safe. When you see someone top score going into the battle, for fuck sake, don't stare but go behind him and shoot at the enemies! Or look around so that this guy didn't get a knife in his back. For good solo players it's important to have sides covered. So when he can focus on 1 direction while you watch his back, it's VERY helpful. That's what newbies should do. And that's what they don't do when they take Snipers and Spies that not only take high skill but also cannot provide any support. Can't tank, can't defend themselves vs the weakest opponents, just lemmings waiting to die.
The simplest idea that X allies can kill X times faster and save X times more health in battle if they work simultaneously seems too difficult to some people. So any class except Sniper and Spy can be played by a noob. And mastering takes about the same on every class. 9k hours average. I've seen pros on each class. Unkillable, impressive and fast.
Mallory SF agree with everything you said. I see spies going only for stabs only wich not a great idea revolvers are really useful in any situation.
Well if you wouldn't know where the health and ammo packs are for any class, ur fucked
As soon as I saw spy I cringed
As soon as I saw your lack of reason I cringed
edgy
As a Pyro main I have to note the wide aspects of playing him - especially airblast (rocket jumping/aim/different projectiles) and the detonator/flare gun (air)shots
Yeah i agree with that. If you count that it shouldnt be nearly as easy to get used to. However without them try hards get by extremely easily while they spam flames.
@@softeealmonds and then there's the Pyro God - sketchek
Airblast is easy and op imo, you’re pressing m2 and insta killing anything that shot at you
@@taylor844 Easy? I wouldn't agree here.
I mean... as I said above, you gotta learn how different projectiles (rockets, grenades, arrows, flares) behave and how to counter them
Jakub Kurpiński Yes, you can watch a tutorial and learn that in 10 miniutes
No, the hardest class is friendly engineer when you make a clicky sentry and them put it with the friendlies but they don't know it has no ammo so they all freak out and kill you and the sentry
The friendgineers are endangered!
friendly engie is easy. just don't make a clicy sentry.
hold the wrangler while its buillding and shoot a bit after so they hear its out of ammo
What about friendly spy?
Random Loner no wonder they destroy it...
The SENTRY IS A CLICKER (last of us zombie
Update:
This video is STILL getting views, that's crazy! Thanks so much for your support, I'm not even sure I hold these views anymore but I'm glad this has got a discussion going.
A couple of things to mention:
- Sorry about the loud music, hopefully I've improved at editing since making this
- One of my regrets is not separating more clearly the world of high level 6's, highlander and pubs more
Original comment:
So which class is the easiest to pick up? And which class is the hardest to master?
TooftyTV Hands down easiest is heavy and i think hardest to master would be spy...
Easiest pyro, hardest is spy.
easiest class miss Pauling hardest class Saxton Hale
Hi Toofty,
I think you got most things right, except for the following:
1. The demoman, (I know you are fantastic with him btw, which I also think is why you got him wrong) he is much harder to pick up than almost any other class in my point of view. I played 200 hours on soldier before switching to maining demo and I still got wrecked for the first 20 to 30 hours of playing him intensely. Pipes are much harder to hit than rockets (as you mentioned as soon as you start shooting on the ground they become much easier to work with for newbies and even before that, the splash always comes instantly, whether from the ground or walls which are close by - so clearly they are easier to handle)
2. Scout and sniper, both of these are incredibly hard to master, while you are right in stating that its primarily mechanical skill, its mechanical skill that is the hardest to learn and to maintain.
3. Spy, I think he is one of the easiest classes to master for two reasons, one as regards pubs and the other as regards comp matches (hl). Firstly, as regards pubs considering that his primary way of killing people involves a bit of flanking and decision making and if done well results in instant death of the opponent I believe in pubs once you played any class for a few hours and then invest another few hours you can quickly become very good, much faster in fact, than if you would have to learn a more interactive skill, as you have to for the others.
4. Engie, ok to be fair you are right if we are talking about just picking up the game including the first 5 minutes of gameplay. I believe that its much more interesting though to talk about roughly the first hour or two and in this scenario its much easier to start with engie. I'd say that its even easier than heavy, the reason for that in my opinion is that once you learned how to upgrade your sentry you will always be somewhat useful even if all your decisions are terrible, simply because a lvl 3 alone is so powerful. Btw I do think it needs some serious nerfing.
Thanks for making such awesome videos, I'm subscribed with both my accounts!
TooftyTV I say that the pyro has the "market garden" that he can do. I honestly say if yoy cant do that you are not a true pyro main. Still Sniper, Demo, Soldier and Spy seem the trickiest to me. As a medic you can more or less rely on your team for help. Btw I am a huge fan. I love your work, I apreciate your perspective about the gameplay and classes!
Now we observe the elusive Heavy main in his TRIGGERED state
Mini Essay Ahead
Seriously guys people only think heavy is easy/has a low skill ceiling because that's what around 30% of players pick when they start out because of the large health pool which is sad because if you think heavy what do you think? A player pocketed by a medic dominating a good bit of their team or a idiot just trying to kill everyone in the one minute he survives? Probably the latter.
(Nothing against you newer heavies i'm sure your better than that)
Once one takes time to learn the class and be spy paranoid as all hell you can do pretty great even without a medic which may sound like something you may see on a cat poster but take it from me I used to be your run of the mill moron waving his gun around trying to get a few kills but once I learned some special tricks to him like the fact he shoots out of his head not gun from *Rydercycle* I tended to do a lot better in pubs and now casual.
I know this is probably too long for a RUclips comment but I wanted to stress the fact that heavy does not have that low of a skill ceiling and, in my opinion, is not boring to play compared to the others.
To all my aspiring heavies out there, good luck on your journey to greatness (again)
"Every class has a high skill ceiling"
**Heavy proceeds to laugh in Russian.**
хаххахахахахахахаххахахахаха
*quiet screams of agony from F2Ps who just picked up the game as I make the loudest decloak in existence and backstab them*
Derpy Diamonds Bros From a heavy main who remembers very clearly what that was like; I respect your skill and dedication to a class I cannot grasp, but fuck you man. How is he everywhere at once AAAAAAAAAAA 😭
@@anotherbloodyfanwriter1941 wow a rare heavy main
Sniper!?!? easy!?!? I could barely do a headshot at a heavy
VinceStudio i know this is Super old comment but sniper is mainly Just aiming and doesnt have thing like rocketjumpin or stickyjumping or trickstabs
Sniper doesn't have many tools (like soldier/pyro) or things to be concerned (medic/engi). So he is a pretty simple guy in terms of complexity.
He is mechanical, but still quite heard to master. Casual point and click don't say: if you don't hit them, you do no damage. A casual point and click is sort of... machine guns and stuff.
VinceStudio same
VinceStudio Sniper is fucking easy with Sydney Sleeper
Depends on what you mean by "picking up" rocket jumping and sticky jumping take forever to even learn, so by this standard, they should be the hardest to pickup, at least harder to pickup than scout.
Mastering? EASILY demo. Learning how to rollout on each 6s map is enough to make one go insane, where as with any other class, it doesn't require that much skill on just GETTING TO MID. Then, once at mid, to be effective, you have to know to only shoot one or two stickies at the demo, and then try to focus the scouts to take away their buffs. Not to mention, you can't only keep that in mind, you have to know when to start retreating, because staying alive and setting traps can buy enough time for your team to re-spawn. Also, you mainly have to stay behind your pocket, but you have to super aggressive, when you roll them, and then overextending there can be really tricky because your stickies can be shot away from the ground and they have an arm time, you can't just latch on to a scout, use your speed, jump away, or equip the dead ringer to get out of a sticky (unintentional pun) situation.
Demo is easily the hardest to pick-up, and BY FAR the hardest to master.
I wrote this in like 1 minute so there will be typos lol.
Technically, the hardest to master is Sniper, because his aim can infinitely get better.
This is retarded, so that's why I don't consider jumping to be a skill-ceiling increasing thing.
You think Demoman is hard? I know a class that is MUCH more difficult to master. Demoknight.
pyro and engi go in the same area really they both belong helping teammates and pushing damage I mean seriously baby ENGINEER and WM1 gives a bad name to us engi an pyro people
The Purity of Chaos Technically, that's not a class. It's a demo loadout
I've played spy for 70 hours and im just now starting to become competent
edit: now have almost 100 and i still suck
Some Galafalacnid Have you mastered your EpiC TriCksTabS
@@nero4195 only on tr_walkway
@@dbharu2489 update?
@@dbharu2489 update?
Knock off the trickstab nonsense and get good at sneaking.
Medic from my experience if really difficult to master for the movement and who to heal and keeping your heath up and everything.
P.S:I am medic main
I am also a medic main and I agree
Just play every class for a week or longer, only one at a time, you will find your opinion change Very quickly, speaking from own experience, used to be a medic and spy main and before I went all class, I thought that they where the most skillfull, more so than other classes, however I found that there where so many difference's.
And your point is also Completely shattered by what a spy has to learn, Great aim to finish of weak enemies, Juking enemies that chase you, your stab tracking, great disguise acting (most difficult) perfect and flawless movement both with cloak and without, cloak managmet etc. Your point about movement applies to every class, not perse more by medic, sure more but not as much as people make it out to be
I am also a medic main good sir
wow a phycologist
Also, medic is hard as fuck to pick up. Wrapping your head around healing everyone, who needs healing the most, when to heal, when to dmg, when to pop is all a part of picking him up but is also a part of mastering him (mastering him includes dmg surfing though) and its not like someone who was just installed the game and played it for 50 hours can play medic effectively, they're basically a sitting duck. They don't pop, they only heal heavies because health = good in their head and they just don't know how the class works in general.
Juptian Games I picked him up recently. Kept the team alive and carried em to victory. Easy to pickup, impossible to master
do u guys think in combat the medic should switch between healing and doing damage? or just focus on healing or on damaging?
Its also hard to tolerate the calls for medic every 3 seconds
No, thats mastering the class. Any skrub can just pick med and hold m1 on a heavy with some success. Thats why medic is so easy to pick up.
Abstruckt medic was easy for me to pick up lol. spy is fucking impossible tho.
Im a scout main (or a dick shovel, depending on were you come from) and this is my list:
Easiest class to pick up:
1. Heavy - Can do lots of damage with high health
2. Sniper - No matter if you have good aim or not, the role of the class is pretty set
3. Soldier - Don't get mad at me, he shoots giant slow bullets that have splash damage
4. Pyro - If your trying to learn how to deal with things like a spy, or combos and even w+m1 sometimes, it can get difficult
5. Scout - Dodging can aiming at the same time with low health can be difficult, but he uses hitscan not projectiles (thankfully)
6. Demoman - Since the grenades (and stickies) have an ark, they can be hard to aim, not even counting the timing
7. Spy - Between the clocking, disguising and backstabbing, it takes skill (have I pleased you lord Gaben?)
8. Engineer - Building placement and maintaining them in the right order can be difficult
9. Medick - Have you not watched ArraySeven once?
It's a pun boi
Yeah medick it hard
I agree with your Engi pick. Metal management and keeping your sentry alive is hard.
2spooky4me *medic
Nah its sposed to be medick
As an engie main who commonly runs 40-kill games and or top of the leaderboard, i would say that its really easy to pick up and hard to master. You are going to have that 6 months of pain and sadness but once you finally get in that groove, you will be running 53 kill, 8 domination games after a year or two.
Another thing about carrying your teams is teamwork. Its takes a single spy to ruin a whole nest and a single engie to wipe the enemy team. A single good or bad engie can make or break a bad team. For example, i played a really good round with a really good team vs a really bad one, won the first round then got immediately autobalanced onto the bad one. Somehow, i was able to turn that oncoming L around and carry off a last minute win with only 2 or 3 deaths and nearly 50 kills. Other than the last 5 seconds, it was all me. The last Cap on PL_Upward and a dispenser in the doorway (blocks spies) and a L3, i made it out with the sentry going down at the last minute. I held off the enemy team and the majority of them were about to cap but then my team came in with an amazing final defense and we stopped them.
It was probably the best i had ever done as Engie, and the best i had done over any class. You just have to remember:
Never give up
and
Watch out for spies.
Stay fresh.
I main the question mark, checkmate
But in all seriousness heavy has MANY more nuances and seemingly hidden techniques that are much more tricky than you'd image.
He's typically fully targeted by the enemy team for having the best close range DPS so techniques such as ambushing, jump revving, and bhop revving can mean the difference between life and death and can be very tricky to get just right in the heat of battle, all the while managing spies and snipers to prevent instakills leaving the team with no meatshield and keeping the heat off of everyone with their health pool (which is depleted very fast when the whole other team checks you at "high threat" on their kill lists) all the while maintaining covering fire to boot.
Heavy mains have a lot more on their plate than shooting and being silly snadivich boyes which really goes over people's heads. So please give the next heavy main you see a bit more credit (that is if you can find any, we're like unicorns we're so rare)
and map knowledge, pick your targets, sandvich time, dodging, damage surfing, being brave, heavy duels, only a good heavy main would know this.
Every comment is just someone complaining that they’re main isn’t high enough up
What’s a heavy main? Never seen those
Medic is the DEFINITION of impossible to master since the Crossbow does Jack shit if you don't know how to aim, heal spreading, etc. I should know.
Get out of spawn and get instantly headshotted
Also your team usually does crap to protect you and allows you to sponge bullets while they wander aimlessly and spam E. And then they waste uber by stalling... If anything, the Medic is the hardest class just based on the patience you need to develop to play as him.
I am deeply honors you put medic mains in the light thank you (I need healing)
The amount of insane judgement and crazy fast decisions you have to make with an engie in pressure takes his skill ceiling up quite a bit as well as sentry jumping with the rescue ranger and really good shotgun shots
I'd have to disagree about the heavy, while he's extremely easy to play, having to be the one to soak up all the damage means you need to try live long as possible doubled with that, your one of the highest priority classes to kill. And with several techniques to learn how to play,a ID say heavy still stays low but just at the middle.
I think the high priority class would be the medic pocketing the heavy that is letting said heavy to soak up all of the damage, but yes heavy should be higher up on the list :D
yesh
Theres so little Heavy Mains that it seems like it takes courage for being a Heavy main.
KingOvalord but killing people using heavy is easy, but it's not as rewarding as a sniper headshot a enemy.
KingOvalord I'm a heavy main a play a lot if scout,soilder, and heavy.
Engineer takes the most skill.. do you know how hard it is to smack a sentry!
And position it right
Bruh if you are a good engie you need to know if its worth upgrading your buildings, have to care about metal reserves, know where and when to place your buldings and have 3 (or 5, it depends) counters to look for. All of that while the team is crying for a dispenser in their face
I’ve been playing tf2 for about three years and I can that spy, sniper, and scout take a lot of skill to play effectively with. Obviously this doesn’t mean other classes are ineffective, but these three I would say are the hardest to play efficiently with. Making an impact in the game can be done pretty simply with the other classes, while these simply rely on your skill level
What? Sniper just need aiming, I'd say medic is SO SO SO SO SOOOOOO much harder to play efficiently than those (in a competitive setting), I would also say demo and soldier require more in a competitive setting as well, but in a pub I'd say spy, sniper, and medic
@@halfpace1462 wdym JUST aiming bruh? It's not the easiest thing in the world and to be able to do it consistently is hard as fuck.
Ok sinister may have been extreme but yea besides dodging and aiming there nothing really else you need to know to play sniper, there’s no rocket jumping or taking out sentry nest or flanking, just point and shoot
@@NO-de7gx and by requiring that much less, he can put himself at absolutely 0 risk and kill EVERYTHING, he doesn't even need aiming to drop a medic! Also his only VIABLE counter (rip spy) is another sniper... *Balanced!*
@@jathkankanam and you need aiming in EVERY OTHER CLASS, sniper only needs this that's why he is stupidly easy to master compared to others, (discarding braindead heavy) pyro is universes harder to master than sniper, a pyro need reflections, game sence, positioning, flares, prediction, support, airblasting, working in last, negating uber, survivability, and more, what does sniper need? Aiming and positioning.... *That's it* , and by doing that little and putting himself at 0 risk, kills everything and doesn't even need good aim to drop a medic... And his only viable counter is himself...
As a TF2 veteran and a spy main, I'd say that spy Is really fun to play, whenever you get a backstab/trickstab you'll feel special, which makes it more fun to play spy.
Veteran? How much you have hours on Spy?
What. I never feel that.
@@Vukan.Kos. I feel it all the time! In that moment where u get a stab on an important enemy, a chain stab or a trickstab , nothing matters. It doesnt matterst if you died 10 times before without a single kill, the feeling you get is just in that moment that you are a god, a megamind, you are the one who fooled that engie with a trickstab, it just feels epic. Sadly this feeling only goes for like 1 sec then you realize the reality and die again to this one lvl 150 super-paranoid pyro.
Every class can be considered easy and hard, by different people. Everyone, has a favorite and easier and harder to play character, and they will have different opinions on that character. No one is correct and no one person's character ranking list is better than someone else's. We all play a Rated M game with a very cartoony look and it is very old. FUCKING ACT LIKE THE ADULTS AND HUMAN BEINGS WITH SOULS YOU WERE BORN AS! Even, if you are a child who plays this game, act more mature, because you will learn quickly, that the world won't take your shit on anything.
Well said.
Dr. Dictator somebody who knows stuff. I like to play spy(lol just get ur c&d and disguise and cloak and walk and stop and try to backstab) and medic(cc, stock, stock) and engi(rescue ranger, stock,funslinger(hitbox and da critz and minisentry an hp))
Dr. Dictator For me Scout is the easiest and soldier is the hardest to play with...
idk anymorw
Dr. Dictator a man with common sense appears
Too long didn't read
Medic has such a huge role
Constantly managing heals in order to keep an advantage
Counting enemy medic uber
Prioritizing heal targets
Making calls
There's just so much to a pro medic that goes unnoticed that separates a good medic from a great medic from an amazing medic.
hes ez to master
Lee Lebensbaum hmmm it is, but there is SOOOO many things to learn as spy professionally, like in competetive its almost impossible to get behind the enemy, so i think spy deserves to be a bit higher. There is also trickstabs. Some people say u can just learn them, then ure done some people say they are impossible now... U need to know how to do them and do them when the enemy dosent suspect anything. Acting is also a VERY big thing, and can be very tricky, always being where the class should be and such. But i will aggrre there is also a lot of things to learn as medic :)
Lee Lebensbaum u are rigth but u forgot to mention that the medic has to survive while being The Number 1 Target at all times on pubs and Competitive (And surviving those 3 scunts,5 snipers and 3 spies on a Valve Pub can be hardcore )
all u need for med is game sense and movement then u just rely on ur team ...
relying on your team isnt allways an option. it becomes apparent whos a good or a flawless medic, when your team is shit.
Heavy is the hardest to master. Just play heavy 30 hours.
"oh god how is spy everywhere at once?"
@@Omegaset How is it fair that they can shoot me from so far?
Yes. finally someone says it
I legit played 50 and got bored, really badly
As a Heavy main, he is *DECEPTIVELY* hard to master because he requires an insane amount of game sense to play right. You need to keep your ears open for Spy decloaks and enemy Medic voices to figure out if they have any charge going, your eyes open to see things as minuscule as Sniper dots and anything that moves, including Spies briefly flickering into existence, etc. Heavy requires a lot of awareness to pull off right.
I think a fun weapon for heavy that would also raise his skill ceiling a bit would be a minigun that had faster rev time, faster aim, less damage, more bonus damage up close, and the ability to knockback the heavy himself. This would allow the heavy to point his gun at the ground and basically have a jetpack that he could also aim at enemies at near point-blank for massive damage.
oh please...hoovy is the hardest class to master
OH REKT
why do i see u in every tf2 vid i watch?
Sailor Thug definitely not the easiest
Heavy is difficult without a Medic or a Dispenser. It teaches one how to manage ammo and health.
Sailor Incoming onslaught of heavy mains ;)
You need to manage ammo and health for all classes
Every class could take the most skill depending on how you play, you could be w-m1 pyro which is useless and simple, you could go puff and sting which takes practice. And that does for everyclass
Monster man oh yes, it’s hard to shoot at a character that always moves in the direction that you airblast them, I like pyro but he is dead easy to play. M1+w is better now either way.
As a Gold/Plat Highlander Med main I would agree with you with med being the hardest simply because one little mistake that you make as med can cost your team a match. On no other classes is this true to the same extent. As well, everyone knows when one of the fragging classes do well because you can directly see the effects of them doing well, whereas for medics, everyone can see your mistakes just much more easily than what you do well.
I think engies have a high skill ceilling, they need to know where to place their things, if it is a good time to haul or upgrade, when to use your wrangler and sentry jumping may be useful, you may use it to get on a roof and use the wrangler to kill everyone down there.
omg yes what a high skill ceiling that you need to know where you place your things... Now seriously: 90% of engies learn their sentry spots from yt vids or by other engineers. Placing your building doesnt requires much skill as for every map there are just a few options which make sense... once you have a good spot, u use it 80% of the time. Obv this doesnt relates to battle engineers who actually take skill.
Soilder is easy to play but has a huge skill cap (rocket jumping and air shots)
CR7NEYMAR you forgot c tap sync jumps
Savson dj no one sync jumps in any other map other than hightower
I know people who have 5 hours as soldier and can airshot
Yeah but demo is just a overall harder soldier. ( harder pogo stickyjumps, much harder airshots with pipes, less hp)
Well he's a secret class find it and be saxton hale
Dawson ultra instinct Wilkie you watched "meet the amazing pyro"? S. Hale is awesome
1 hour ago:
-I just watched this new awesome video,
-Then I downloaded the second song of this episode, (see in the description)
-Immediately after I launched TF2 Casual Mode with this song in my ears,
-And I saw Toofty on the opposite team as a Demoman !
What kind of spooky sorcery is this !
Invokum Toofty ? Spooky !
In my opinion for someone new to fps shooters this is the list, easiest to hardest
Medic-No need to aim, can be pretty helpful to the team even if they're bad
Heavy-Has a lot of health, powerful, and doesn't require precise aiming
Pyro-Can easily deal damage if within range, but other mechanics such as airblasting or spychecking could prove hard
Soldier-Due to the blast damage makes it slightly easier to aim shots
Scout-Movement might be hard to master but if you have a slower target then it might not be too hard
Demoman- I thought about putting it before scout, but since you have to predict enemy movement it'd be hard, not to mention arc the grenades
Sniper- Aiming and shooting moving targets is really hard for someone new to fps games
Engineer-You need to know how to build, what's a good spot to put what, spycheck, and a bunch of other stuff that could overwhelm new players.
Spy-You need to know what each weapon does, the map, good hiding places, who to disguise as, etc.
lmk your opinion
Sniper is easiest due to his insta kill potential with his ammo reserve and infinite range to spam shots without needing to move or enegage in the fight.
Engineer just needs a safe place to build and wait with an auto aim turret so hes a but harder than W M1 pyro due to time needed and positioning.
I absolutely agree with Medic being the hardest class to master, but not so much with the "easy to pick up" category, because there are many layers to Medic, such as primary heal targets, priorities, survivability, etc.
New players mostly don't know that. In fact, most new players, I find, generally always use the Syringe Gun because they think it's some sort of rifle that can output massive damage. And when I see them use the Medi Gun, they usually attach themselves to a Heavy and never really know when to start healing others. Heavy dies? Pull out Syringe Gun, run at the enemies - Rambo style.
But other than that, the list was fairly spot on.
u agree with the sphee :C
Anyways, on a more serious note, I believe he put the Medic up there as it doesn't take much effort to pop a basic uber and press mouse 1 on teammates.
I'm not trashtalking or anything, as a matter of fact, I highly respect med mains, staying alive is a bitch.
But you must understand that it doesn't take much game experience to help your team, such as pyro and heavy.
And on more note, it saddens me that I have to agree with you on this but, yes, 80% of the medics I find (my team or their team) are convinced their syringe gun is like that needle gun from blops 3, and to make things worse, my friend (who hardly plays tf2, like, at all) plays Blutsauger only medic and refuses to heal teammates, he even made me buy a vintage KS one ;-;
Krysonox You should seriously slap your friend for doing that. If he gets vote kicked often, I do not blame the team for calling a vote on him AT ALL.
huu I do.
Still do.
Regularly
Krysonox
Invite your other friends to do the same. Scream at him. Report him to the FBI for not being a proper Medic. Wait, no, don't do that last one, it's a bit overkill...
huu No no I think it's suitable
-Medic mains give themselves too much credit, they act like they're complete gods and they blame their flays on their team, toxic and lots of ego, I can tell because I used to be a Medic main and I do act like that.-
I play alot of medic (in top 3 for most played) and it absolutely sucks when you are healing a soldier or demo for a push and then u are about to uber then he rocket jumps and bails out on you
I agree with you, but I also want to bring something up. A medic is kind of useless without a good team backing them. I've had a lot of rounds where the person I'm healing leaves me to die or wastes my ubercharge running away xD.A lot of medic mains tho, use this as an excuse tho, even tho most times you're going to be responsible for it
@Minty Prion
Just like medics insanity
Well i was new to tf2 and my friend made hoovy jokes. I didnt understand them and downloaded the game and played heavy 24/7(I eventually understood the community). I played heavy and died alot. All i saw was spys soilders and scouts coming for me. I got sick of it. A month later I actually sorta got familiar with the game and played heavy alot better. I was still sick of it. But i had no choice since it was the only class I knew. When i learned that i was actually on a team and stopped beind f2p scum i noticed how people died so quickly. Rocket hits demo and is ded. Scout jump around and shoot heavy. ded. I wanted to stop it and make them less frustrated(I assumed people would get mad at dying over and over again). I press , and saw a doctor like shape. I hovered over it and read that clipboard no one does. "Heal your teammates with your medigun!" I clicked. From that game of Upward my ratio of dying in a game as medic has gone down to on average(I actually did math) to at least 3 times a match. Welp thats my medic main story.
Oh god thats longer than i thought.
Loading Name Noice story. I hate playing scout because the moment I run out the spawn door i die
this comment sounds depressing tbh, makes me feel guilty for backstabbing so much hoovys
was an epic comment though felt like i was watching a mini movie or something.
Dumbbells Only on behalf of heavy it's fine.
When I play scout (I started today) I just go with the melee weapon hitting everything that moves
Where was that list of 100 reasons to not doing it... Well I remember 50% of it. **It have so little damage that only one you can kill with it is only other melee scout, or unskilled player**
Get the fish.
the thing that puts skill ceiling of any class at impossible, is reading your opponents
i was heavy, and i was fighting engi and his sentry, a demoknight tried to flank me, but i noticed it, and switched my position, he tried to flank me like 3 times before dying, also he had eyelander, splendid screen, boots, so if he landed his shots correctly he would kill me easily
Big Joey slap nuts: woah woah woah heavy takes a lot of skill
Me: how so
Big Joey slap nuts: heavy is a slower WM1 pyro
But seriously heavy is a powerful class even if your a new player not knowing what your doing. But a heavy main (the 12 that exist) are terrifying to go up against
YATATATATATTATATTATATA
Getting a kill with kgb is hard as hell but when u do enemy ream is in your mercy
Are you seriously gonna put spy as easier to master than soldier!?!? LIKE WTF?!!?
Watch me paladins video on how a spy thinks, you'll see just how complicated it really is
Mr Pattymac uh, no
I can see how trickstabbing is difficult and impressive, but have you seen the insane rocket jump combos some players are able to achieve? Also their is the Market Gardener and Manntreads which encourage and reward skillful jumping.
if u ask me their both really similar because myself, as a spy main, still cant do some trickstabs and for soldier chain jumping is difficult when u use an actual rocket launcher so i dunno but whatever you want to think
have fun mastering rocket-jumps my man
What kind of question is this? Of course Pyro takes the most skill, right?
Pyro main gang
Of course we all know but you know they are just dumb they don't understand how hard is to master phlog
@@zachariemdn on a serius note,it takes a good level of game sense to know when to use plhog crits, i would say on a level similar to the krits uber
if you are using phlog you are already quite noob, because it removes airblast (90% of Pyro's skills)
@@ebanatnatria6409 thats why i hate the phlog even though im a pyro main, i mainly combo it with the degreaser an panic attc and powerjack
Thanks, as a pyro main I'm very happy that you said that pyro is not an easy class to master *at all*. rocketblast, extinguishing, flare gun, etc
SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU SYo dNAKS DOHAPodaHBSD
@@aks1222 ah yes, seizure
very nice video toofty! great music in the background and it's not too loud, overall a nice video.
Cheers Rob!
"Every class has a high skill ceiling"
Engineer: DING DING DING
@Syrupzz oops. RUclips bugged.
Angry engie main noises
Ever seen a Demoman acting like a soldier then suddenly doing a charge into an uber medic + soldier duo before donking them both off a cliff? I was that medic, and that thing caught me by surprise so hard I forgot how to surf for a moment. Surfing wouldn't have saved me anyway.
This is for picking up classes. In my opinion scout is at the middle of the spectrum. He was the first class i played, and I got a couple of kills on other players fairly quickly. I would put Solly at the lower end because, i tried him for one hour and i got 2 dominations in that time. (This was in my first 3 hours of tf2). I would put Pyro just under solider because you can hold mouse one as he said. And flank routes are pretty simple. Equip the backburner and get some kills. Demoman is at the higher end because the pipes are really hard to hit because of tumbling. I had trouble with them because i could not predict them. I personally never used stickys so i don't have a say in that. Heavy would be in the middle, because if there is a medic he would have the medic on him. But Snipers and Spies will destroy them quickly. Engie is a bit higher than heavy because of building, but you can just learn from past mistakes and tutorials. Medic is higher than Engie but it's really close. It's because the medic will get focused down by scouts. And he will most likely die. Sniper is in the middle. Where engie is at i think. He is hard to play but because they are not new to games it won't be that hard. Spy is hard, everyone is so aware that new spies have to get kills on other clueless people to get better. They don't know how to trickstab and they dont know how to act and manage their cloak.
"heavy takes no skill"
everyone disliked that
This video is from 2016, you are 4 years late m80
@@LoaftheProtogen and you are too
Sinisterrs you are even later to comment on that
@@somethingsomething8022 And you are even LATER
As a heavy main that hurt me
I think that heavy Is pretty hard to pick up because everyone goes for you
Agreed.
Thank you
Savvas Savvides That is why Hoovy is a noon class because you learn that the sniper will headshot you,spy will back stab you ,demo man/soldier will eEXPLODE YOU..OK?Cuz everybody is going for you..
But you are also prioritized by medics of all level when your team have one. I rarely play heavy but I found when I do it's really easy to get a good k/d ratio and points per life compare to other classes
ZeSandvich I agree, however I think that's because he's so reliable and he is the class that's meant to be getting a lot of kills
Because of roll outs, demo and soldier is FAR more tricky to pick up than what this video credits.
Spy doesn’t even depend on your skill, it depends on the enemies.
you could say that for literally every class so yeah technically the truth
it depends on both, with demo if your running a shield/sticky jumper for your secondary a scout whos better at dodging then you are at aiming will always win. to kill a good player as spy you have to make them think they have you figured out then do something else
and you have a gun
he does require skills but spy rarely brings positive results to the team unless the spy is a god spy player which is rare.
I remember pyro was easiest to me when I first joined. I got around eight-ten hours on them doing jungle contracts before trying medic. I may not have as much room to say since I only have 60 hours on him, but medic is harder to master. I can stay alive longer than when I started. Hell I nearly got the Intern achievement twice on the same day
Hoovy is obviously hardest class to master because u need to dodge projectiles while crouching, getting people friendly, etc. :D.
The entry level scale makes sense, as the classes that are easier to pick up are more point and click, middle is slightly more indirect, and the tricky ones are the least “just point and shoot” classes
i would get REALLY salty about the pyro
but since you said so nice guess i'll won't be
Im a pyro main , Pyro is hard to master in terms of airblasting and reflects on point blank especially huntsman arrows that a pybro of course, should defend from incoming projectiles.
Detonator jumping my dude, that’s a hard thing to master or use effectively. Ever watch sketchek?
Puff n Sting is hard to master as well. The flare gun is a tiny, slow projectile with an arc and no AOE. Compared to Soldier with his straightforward, easy to aim rockets.
Every spy main: ackchyually
I play spy some time, ngl it didn't take me long to pick spy up
@@jack6478 same xd
When I was new to TF2, I was a Medic Main, but all I do is just healing. But when I returned after a year, I transitioned to a Heavy Main. I do play some other classes like Pyro or Engi. I think Engi is easy to play if you follow another engi. Like if there are lots of engies in your team, you can just join them build a wall of sentries and help them upgrade and repair. Sniper for me is really hard cuz I suck at aiming. I don’t usually play as the spy, soldier and demoman. Scout is really interesting in fact I managed to win a round of ctf in 2fort without even fighting with scout. Just running, sneaking, taking the intel is just satisfying.
I started off with scout and i feel like once you have figured out what kills you the extra mobility will help you fall back to your team fairly easily
Imo, Sniper has an unreachable by human being skill ceiling. Have you ever seen a legit sniper player, who was destroying an entire lobby as hard as bots do? I haven't.
Cowmanglia is good
That's only because they have a long range insta crit weapon, but that doesn't mean it requires more aiming than any other hitscan class. Aimbot scouts in the hands of anyone decent would also hard stomp an entire server, in that sense, a Sniper requires less skill because it only needs to move their mouse, while the Scout would also need to know how to dodge, remember the scattergun does 100+ damage at full, it can 2 shot every class minus Heavy in 0.6 seconds. What about a Soldier that never misses a single rocket (that includes airshots), and got in an out of range at crazy speeds? Heavy does 500 dps at close, and at range still does a LOT (assuming perfect aim). Most classes have infinite skill ceilings in theory, Sniper simply has the strongest weapon in the game.
@@federicopalacios7439 I wouldn't say sniper has the strongest weapon I think that would go to the sticky bomb launcher, you have basically the rockets without Directs, good moment and the ability to store damage and control where people go.
I like demoknight.
Also, I think pyro is fun because burning people alive is awesome
Serious Table o.O
Also I should mention that *YOU CAN USE REFLECTED EXPLOSIVES TO BLAST JUMP*
EXTREMELY SCOTTISH
Serious Table w+m1?
U also get the satisfaction of extinguishing teammates and landing flare gun shots on far away burning players
Things that classes should learn.
Scout - Dodging (Hard (after as H) ), Predicting (Easy (after as E) ) , accuracy (medium) and reaction (E).
Soldier - Rocket jumping (and Mobility in it) (M( Im not talking about those "1 rocket Jump",Im meaning all versions of it") ), Airshot (H), Survivability (E if you know Rjumping and M if you are noob(Cause SOLDIER WHO ACTUALLY CAN REACH THE POINT FASTER THAN SCOUT) ),direct rocket (M)
Pyro - Reflecting (H), Mobility, (M), Distance shortening (H), Survivability and Dodging (H, cause ffs, he needs to be 4 fucking m away from target,thats enough to lose half of your face),REACTION (M), cornering (E,requires brain to not hold flamethrower in hands while standing behind the corner)
Demoman - Predictions (E) , Trimping, (M easy ones and H for long ones on impossible for those maps(like Turbine) , sticky jumping and timing (E), sticky preparations (E) (I mean those stickies that you throw in ass of the world for your opponent was unable to go this way), airpipe (H) , direct pipe (E) , air direct M2 sticky (M),mobility,survivability are E for him,cause HIS EVERY SECONDARY GIVES MOBILITY AND HE ENOUGH SURVIVABLE WITH CONTAINING THIS AMOUNT OF DAMAGE ON HANDS ,Loose cannon calculating (E)
Heavy - simple, Survivability(M),dodging(H),cornering (E,requires Tomislav)
Engineer - Map knowing (E,that's a question of experience),sentry jumping (E) ,Mini sentry jumping (H),survivability (E),spotting (M) , anti uber resolutions (H,why everyone being so stressed while seeing ubered heavy going your way?). There could be more but all of them about ANTI-CLASS only and all of them are E
Medic - Dodging,Survivability,Prediction,reaction,attention,timing,correct uber teammate choosing,correct hiding - H,multi uber(E), Air Crossbow (M)
Sniper - Fast Headshotting - H, Headshotting - M, Dodging (AHAHAHAHAHHA,M,that's not about 2Fort A D spamming),distance keeping - (E),prediction (E), Fast target shotting (M), timing (E) ,charge calculating (Easiest thing in the game),close range headshotting (M) ,melee cornering (E,this thing is for " oh no,im being followed"),hiding and knowing of spots (E,requires experience).
Spy -ammobox knowledge (E,REQUIRES EXP), trickstabbing (M),acting (H),dodging (E),ambassador headshotting (M),target prioritising (E),timing (M) ,hiding spot knowledge (E),escaping (M), "silent working" (i mean backstabbing lonely targets (or not only)without being spotted (H),prediction (E), correct disguising (E).
I don't feel like Heavy got a whole lot of love in this. Heavy isn't all that easy to pick up, nor is he easy to master. You have to learn how to aim, track your enemy perfectly, maintain damage on them, and even figure out some way to flank the enemy into making them get close enough so you can do damage. I've seen more bad Heavies than I have good Heavies, so I feel like he actually has a relatively high skill ceiling. Heavy may be the first class that people play when they first begin playing the game, but that doesn't really mean that he's easy to master. My personal opinion may be a bit biased since I am a Heavy/Soldier main, so go figure I'll feel like Heavy isn't easy to play.
But hitscan aim is useful to all other classes as well, except for maybe demo and medic. Playing Scout is basically like playing Heavy except squishier, requires much more mobility and jumping, and you need to learn how to aim while moving and be unpredictable.
But heavy can't get out of situations because of his speed. Scout can just turn away jumping around... Every single encounter must be thought of with heavy due to spinup.
Rhike I use the Tomislav as my main weapon, so my spin-up is faster than others, but I usually spin-up mid-air as I'm jumping around corners to flank enemies, as well as spin-up as soon as I see a glimpse of an enemy. There is strategy behind playing as such a large class that (as you said) cannot get out of most encounters alive. That's why I believe that he isn't a necessarily easy class to play, as he requires both skill and tactic in order to be made useful.
Just Moved In Most of the time hitscan can be incredibly unforgiving, especially with Snipers. Scout and Heavy are nothing alike, since Scout has double-jump, is the fastest class, and can capture everything twice as fast. Heavy, on the other hand, can't avoid bullets as easily as most other classes, which is why you have to kill the enemy before they kill you. Scout DOES require some skill and effort in order to double-jump and still maintain aim on the target, which is difficult to do sometimes. But I've been in encounters where Scouts run at me and I'll mow them down before they can do any major damage to me. It's all dependent on how skilled the player is which determines how many encounters the class can survive.
"I don't feel like Heavy got a whole lot of love in this."
yeah, me too.
I think spy should be moved up a few spaces, trickstabs, movement, blending in, deception and much more. But heavy in my opinion is very difficult to master. Yes there are less mechanics for the heavy but he is so difficult to play effectively in high level competitive play. Heavy's most important factor is his movement , hes a huge slab of meat and against high level opponents you are very vulnerable, mastering movement of the heavy is very hard and requires a lot of brain. Positioning is also key, you cant just run into a payload covered in enemies, you need to know when to fall back, set up with your team and keep your medic safe above all else. Heavy can almost be thought in a way like an engineer, good positioning, movement and judgement of when to fall back, keeping your team safe and mowing down anybody that dares to over extend.
Adding on i think heavy can be a very frustrating class to play in high level play, because if you fuck one thing up it usually results in your death.
Arie Roskam That made me think of heavy in a whole different way. It's really kind of like he's a "sentry", with medic being the engineer. That proves 2 things about the 3 classes. 1. Heavy must be in a good position, just like engi's sentry, 2. Medic while shouldn't abandon heavy (just like engi shouldn't abandon a sentry), should definitely not be his pocket medic (compared to turtle engineer) and focus on other people (buildings and spies with engi)
WroughWheat54 . we like to knife alot . we can tell at glance who is a spy . but thats all i will tell . after all . a spy is secretive . XD
John Spignardo somehow as a medic i have a really good spy detection skill :o
unless he decloaks on our spawn and walks up to the battlefield without me turning around (which i do often, and i spycheck even people coming from the direction of our spawn, so good luck), i can tell who's a spy from far away.
***** Spyware, hahaha x3
Pyro is hard for me for one reason: mastering the art of airblast
It's less about seeing the rocket and reacting try to predict the rocket and you can get some crazy reflects.
im a pyro main and still i could not reflect projectile that well
Alright first swap off the *PHLOOOOGGGG*
The evolution starts with being laughed at by solider players and ends with those soldiers either cowering in fear or too stupid to respect airblast .
*F A R T B L A S T*
To be slightly more objective, you could judge them by aim, things to keep track off, weapon variability, and unique and hidden mechanics,
Easiest: Pyro and Spy
Hardest: Sniper, Soldier, Demo and Medic.
For me.
Also, I'm a Medic main, and yeah, it's hard to play him.
You have to avoid snipers and Spies.
You have to decide who will get the uber.
You have to decide who to heal.
And you need a bit of good aim for the CC.
Roronoa Zoro
Demomun is easy, especially with the loch n load.
Medic only requires common sense
soldier is a easy class
Sunforged Demo needs good aim and good knowledge about self damage.
Play Medic, never drop your uber and then come back :3
Yeison, el flaite kawaii I mean with the whole rocket jumping ^^
Roronoa Zoro
I don't put myself in sticky situations most of the time, but yet again I'm running the vita saw when I ever play med
A bit out of topic but still, spys who relies only on trickstabs are hilarious, like he runs around corner, backs up and looks at you with this "Why didn't you follow me?" Expression. And then he gets fucked up.
When I go to close at spies they just instantly facestab me, like he didnt go my back they just facestab thats what i see
soldier is no doubt the easiest class to play. they can do damage to multiple targets without even hitting anyone, they have extremely unreasonable damage output, they can rocket jump all over the map making them faster than scout and they also having high health
Yup
Normally you would think that a video from 4 years ago would be irrelevant but since Tf2 hasnt recieved a update in forever its actually still usefull; thanks, Valve!