BEST Flail Guide (Are they really that bad? an in-depth breakdown and review) Elden Ring
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- Опубликовано: 15 июл 2024
- Ah... great. The weapon class no one really cared about. But are they really that bad?
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0:00 Intro
1:00 What are flails good/bad at?
3:49 Heavy/Fire
4:20 Keen/Lightning
5:10 Quality
5:38 Magic and another Flail problem
6:20 Cold/Blood/Poison/Occult
8:17 Family Heads
9:11 A Secret Flail
9:42 Bastard's Star (vs Wing of Astel)
11:15 Summary
Weapon AR calc (top left corner, File - Make a copy): docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...
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Some things to note for common comment inquiries:
#1 Flail does strike damage. Yes, it does, but so do hammers, great hammers, colossal weapons, whips, fists, and a lot off extra different movesets. This is not exclusive to flail nor does it have a bonus like piercing damage with counter-hit mechanics, so it is not mentioned.
#2 Horseback flail attack. This is a great move for flail (I agree). The problem is the majority of the game (arguably the harder parts too) and any form of co-op is not available with horseback attacks, so I tend to not discuss mounted attacks in detail.
#3 Guard Counter: This is more of a middle-ground thing for flail, doing more poise damage than lightweight weapons (shares poise with hammer). It even deals the same amount of poise damage as some of the heavier weapons. This is indeed a good point for flails, but keep in mind the guard counter is still slower than faster weapons and deals less damage than heavier weapons. So, it is more of a middle-ground guard counter. It doesn't necessarily make it very outstanding. It probably feels exceptionally good because the rest of the one-handed flail moveset is garbage.
hammers next?
COOL
horseback flail attack are only cool until you find out twinblades exist
>flail does strike damage, but so do hammer, colossal weapons, whips, and fists
This is pretty frankly an irrelevant point for Dex build, which are the only builds that want to be using flails anyways. Hammers and colossal weapons are only good for pure Strength builds, and whips and fists tend to have an extremely poor Ash of War selection due to their unusual weapon designs.
Flails by contrast have the same dex scaling of whips/fists but also a larger repertoire of Ashes to use, including the extremely powerful Wild Strikes and Lion's Claw ashes.
Lion's Claw in particular is one of the best ashes of war in the game due to its ludicrously high stance damage, with Flame of the Redmanes being the only skill that comes close to matching its knockdown strength. Flame is much less useful though, as far as I'm concerned, because it has a much shorter reach overall. Lion's Claw both launches you forward to allow you to attack from a distance, has hyper armor during the animation, and virtually always triggers a knockdown against human-sized opponents.
Once someone looks through the charts they realize flails were basically copypasted from hammers, then slightly tweaked
Pretty much every argument for flails, including guardcounter, is really just arguing for maces
Making any hammer keen will do 99% of what a "dex flail" does, infusions get underestimated -- someone asked if 60/60 quality would be a good way to rock his desired dagger+zwei style, it turns out 20/80 with both keen (ie keen zweihander) is stronger even with 20 less levels, just keen it
GC? hammer
strike? hammer
dex flail? keen hammer
Everything about flails are hammers when you peel off the sticker and read the original label
ah yes, finally, the best guide ever
Ah yes, an enjoyer of all that is knowledge.
i hope in a dlc we get one of those flails that were more common irl with the really long shaft and the bar end on a rlly short chain kinda like the chainlink flail just as a polearm. it could be its own weapon class as a 'greatflail'
Yeah it's kind of strange we don't. Historically one-handed flails were extremely rare, as flails were actually converted agricultural wheat threshing tools, typically two-handed.
your guides are some of the best on youtube. the amount time you put in to these breakdowns is insane & you lay out all the information in such a digestible way, with just a touch of dry humor. Your Wintery Night build is also so much fun, currently going through NG+ & just grabbed the second SoL to complete the build & its really powerful too. keep up the great work!
Thank you
the best tbh.. no one is so detailed and answers all you need to know
You know what's funny, my latest playthrough I'm a knight and I'm running claymore banished night shield and the night riders flail and I have to say I love the flail it is excellent poise damage. It feels nice not having to use flame of redmanes to stagger enemies into a crit. Just a good old smack or two is enough to put them on their knees feels really good I love the way it chunks thank you for this video as always
I use flails, not as a main weapon, but as a tool. On my Dex builds as a strike-weapon option to use against the stone miners and Crystalians. Because anyone who uses a Katana against these enemies is really nerfing themselves. Use Strike Damage against these weapons!
I just jump attack the Crystalians til I get a crit. Something with innate strike damage would probably be more efficient though.
Yup, even late in the game I found it worthwhile to switch to my flail for those enemy types. Definitely worth keeping it around and upgrading it when materials are no longer needed for primary weapons.
I've been using flails for my entire first playthrough, and I've loved it. Thanks for not giving up on flails!
Also, I've been using Nightriders with Flaming Strike. I'm already aware my build super suboptimal, but the poise damage is just so fun lol. Sometimes I'll poise like 5 guys at once
The Bastard’s Stars / Baby Rattle is such a fun weapon.
Jerma has a talent for finding the dumbest/worst weapons to use in his souls playthroughs. Great scythe in Ds3, and then bastard stars in elden ring
I feel the same way. I tend to go back and forth between it and Astel's Wing.
@@eightytwo8282 He also has a talent for filling up my recommended videos no matter how many times I block the channels that he appears in.
@@ForeverLaxx Imagine not liking Jerma smh my head
Flails are my favorite weapon type. So glad they added them, even if people think they are weak and redundant. They just look so cool. I like the spinning weapon art too. Stunlocks smaller enemies.
The mounted R2 that flails is really good too
@@nickkelly3199 You're right. Love the constant hitbox stuns
Don’t listen to the nonsense.
“It has a bad moveset” is pure opinion based on no data, and that’s the only real complaint people have.
I think it has a great moveset
Thank you! I really hoped someone esle appreciated Flails in Elden Ring because I sure don't. 😅 No really I think it's cool. Personally I like spears but they got shafted by Fromsoft again. 😅 At least Claymans Harpoon was good but it kinda ugly ngl.
I love my Cold Nightrider Flail with Bloodhound Step for my Int/Dex build. It's a simple weapon that does some serious work. Power stanced with Bastard's Stars is a real treat as well.
Frost plus bleed damage plus amazing stagger opportunities. This was my weapon of choice the first time I beat the game.
The thing in the gameplay loop of Elden Ring I enjoy the most is stance break and riposte. I mean, that's where my dopamine kicks in. And in this department flails are pretty shiny and even have the area where they are the best pick -- guard counters.
Flails are literally best guard counter weapons and no other weapon can beat them in this department. On guard counter they deal Colossal Sword-level of poise damage (outclassed only with Blunt Colossal Weapons), while having straight sword-level speed of guard countering. The latter is extremely important, as it dramatically improves the number of occurrences when you can go for guard countering without being stopped with the next enemy attack.
So no. Flails don't suck. They even have an area where they excel.
This right here, hammers and flails have the highest guard counter poise damage for their attack speed.
not disagreeing with your overall points, but I think your summary is a bit misleading. yes, flails have good guard counter attacks - but everything else sucks. and in PvP you'll usually not land guard counters very often, if at all.
and having a single, slightly above average move doesn't make up for the lack of useful moves overall.
I used the Nightrider Flail for some time during my PvE playthrough and it was lots of fun, but sadly in PvP, flails aren't a very good option.
@@_claymore i just don't PvP ever :blush:.
@@dimKiriyenko and that's fine! in PvE flails are a ton of fun, like I said I used one for some time too.
@@_claymore ...well, the flails also have the base bleed proc. That's another point that they have that is 'slightly above average'. You can also buff them with grease/incantations...which is nice!
The Guard Counter Flail/Shield specialist is GOOD...but is pretty much consigned to PvE!
For anyone who doesn't like Flails:
Just try the charged mounted R2/L2, this attack alone is a good reason to use flails
Yep, I was always confused why people complain about horseback combat in this game. Eventually realized that I've just been using the flail for my entire playthrough
@@yozul1 yeah, i use flail only when i need to deal strike damage in pve or when fighting in horseback, but my main weapon is a katana
If nothing else they work great against crystallions, but so would any blunt weapon
Twinblades actually have a similar mounted attack. I wonder what other weapons let you do that.
Also: use Lion's Claw. I cannot overemphasize how ludicrously powerful Lion's Claw is. Flails are unique in that they're the only Dex-scaling weapon class that both deals strike damage and has access to this particular Ash of War.
I went through my first play through with the night rider flail. One thing I noticed is that the flail will swing in an arc pretty far to your side and almost behind you. You can catch enemies as they move off to your side, and that can be a real saving grace.
Also, don’t overlook the way it laughs off shields. Shields can block it, but it doesn’t make your weapon bounce and pause like it does with swords. You can batter shields down with brute force.
I picked the Nightriders flail just because it's the new weapon type and so i wanted to try it out and i LOVE it!
it's so awesome for example on the horse. Because the R2 attack makes it spin wile you charge it,
that staggers most enemies from the first hit of it spinning and does a lot of dmg with the charged up attack.
Spinning chain is interesting but severely hampered by the fact that you can't keep the ash of war if you infuse it.
Completely agree, although it is mostly a PVE weapon art too.
Really just wish they'd allow you to purchase the ash from the stormhill shack guy.
I used flails my entire first playthrough, I really never felt they were horrible
Theyre great until you do duels and invasions.
oh my dudeeeee suscribin and likin JUST for the improvmente in presentation putting pics of the flails besides their AR in the spreadsheets, i have serious problems when tons of information are presented at the same time and this just made the spreadsheet instantly clear and recognizable keep the amazing work, your guides are the best in the comunity right now in terms of depth and dont wasting people time
I always look to improve my youtube videos with suggestions people make :) (i.e. better mic/weapon ranges/picture beside AR sheet were all suggestions!) So thank you guys for commenting as well!
I usually have to watch each vid a few times because Chrightt has such damn good info and is incredibly through with his explanations!
Wish he’d keep it to the data.
So often he also gives opinion not based on data mixed in
You are the best when it comes to going over specific weapon properties, keep up the awesome work!(subbed)
Always in depth with amazingly presented information and a flashbang warning. Can you get any better? A gem of the community with all of these! Thank you!
Thrusting and heavy thrusting are my go to (playing as Griffith/prisoner class). Can’t wait for it.
Thanks for these incredible guides!!!
Thanks for continuing to make these guides, and increase the quality too. It's much easier to hear you now.
Glad to "hear" that! ;)
Man, I wrote of the Nebula on the flail thinking it was the same, gonna try it out now. Thanks!!
Dude. I’m using your google docs and my god is it amazing. You are awesome.
Nice vid and I love the catpoo avatar
Bastards stars was my favourite out of the three weapons I used on my very first pve playthough. I prefered it over moonveil and moonlight greatsword.
When I learned how bad flails were, I was surprised, given how well I did with it in pve.
Glad to hear it has some redeeming qualities and I'm not crazy for thinking it was just fine for PVE.
In my playthrough The Nightrider Flail is my dedicated skeleton weapon, a task it performs admirably. I put the sacred blade Ash of war on it so I can shoot a ranged attack with L2 and then attack with holy damage. It is very nice.
Good job on your videos man
Thank you! And thank you for watching!
I'd love to see your thoughts on Thrusting Swords and Heavy Thrusting Swords :). Great Vid as always
YEEEAAAH i always get so hyped seeing you upload
thanks :)
I love your videos Chrightt ! I hate flails but I love your videos so i'll watch it and learn something ! Thanks for all your research and time you do to make these videos
c: Thanks!
Love your videos
I'll keep your recommendations in mind for my future playthroughs of the game. I want to do a Sienna Fuegonasus cosplay using a flail and pyromancy, but I'll keep your recommendation of occult infusion in mind.
Thank you for this, ESPECIALLY since I accidentally spent my last Ancient Somber Dragon Smithing Stone upgrading Bastard's Stars to +10, rather than the Moonveil I was saving it for.
The last comment sums it up perfectly! Great videos! Its so nice to have a place to go for actual useful information and not just the dumbass "super mega OP gamebreaking ultra damage rare top secret hidden weapon" click bait videos that make up 95% of elden ring RUclips
Such joy finding a new Chrightt video in my feed
😊 Makes me happy you find joy in my videos.
The Bastard's Star does seem like a lot of fun, I'll definitely have to work it into my Dex/Int build.
My first play through was with flails, I love the weapon irl, the head one is freakin awesome me normally gravitating towards necro classes in games, I couldn’t get past the first giant and ended up respecing , started using great swords , didn’t realize they were on the lower scale of every metric until I switched lol, but now I’m playing through again and doing a Int build and going to use the bastards stars this play through, looking forward to revisiting them
Love your videos man! Quality not quantity. No mention of OP, Best Build, Broken, You Should Do This, etc. Just research and hard work. Numbers don't lie.
Thanks 🙏
Wild strikes is great on flails. Especially if you infuse them with frost or occult. Currently working on a blood knight type build with the nightrider flail and blood sorceries
would be cool a armor video, what setup is the most otimized defense and poise.
One of my favourite things to do with powerstanced Nightrider flails is a fire/ice infusion. It works on a wide variety of enemies because strike has high poise damage and doesn't bounce, allowing you to break through high defence to apply ice status and then immediately dispel it with the fire flail to allow ice to build up again. Flame of the Redmanes on the fire flail lets you break their poise even faster, allowing for frosty ripostes.
Really, as with many weapon classes and movesets in this game, there's a difference between the raw statistics and practical application. There's other factors to take into account when using any given weapon that don't directly apply to the hard statistics of said weapon, which can leave noticeable gaps in a build when focused too much on a single weapon/weapon type - gaps that can theoretically be filled with other weapon types. When used properly, flails can shred through almost anything faster and with fewer innate drawbacks other weapon types have, especially in the strike weapon class thanks to their faster attack speed than most of their contemporaries. This is especially true in regards to guard-counters.
All that said, this is still a very useful video to get you into the right mindset to use them properly. There's definitely going to be diminishing returns on the furthest edges of min-maxing though, so it's best to use this knowledge to inform your choices on a weapon around a build, not a build around a weapon.
I’d love to see your opinion on bows next.
(I currently have a love hate relationship with them)
I solely have a hate relationship with them. Bow only was the least fun I ever had with every boss in the overworld being free because you can just stand above them and cheese them. But the late game being pure aids. Most early game bosses were fine but the damage dropped off so hard with good status arrows being very limited. I can't believe with a bow only build I was doing less than 400 damage with all the damage ups I could possibly get per shot. Everything else in this game just gets so much more damage.
I _want_ bows to be good, but I'm not hopeful in the slightest...
Just give bows some decent scaling
Greatbows especially make me so sad...
Can't use them on horseback, super slow, and the damage is always underwhelming. They massacred my boy!
@@monsieurdorgat6864 Not making them usable on horseback was the greatest disappoint ever. At least they deal insane damage but are so slow that you can't actually use them in boss fights.
What a wonderfully informative channel I don’t even play much pvp
Ty! Applying some knowledge to PVE also makes your runs easier! 😉
Was watching this in bed at might, thamks for the brightness warning lol
Bastard's stars is a must have for my magic build. Nebula is such a good mixup option for people trying to rush in or get behind
Hi, love your vids, was wandering if you have any intention of doing the same kind of vids for older games in the soul series
Theyre my go-to for fighting shield users, put cragblade on it to do extra stamina damage and the bleed buildup goes through shields as well. They also cant be parried so feel free to R1 spam into that shield
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I did a full dual wield (lightning dex) playthrough. Knight rider flail, and the one you get legit in the first camp.
Tried the heads flail you get from necromancer. Maybe my int was wack, but that thing just didnt feel great.
I loved how often you stagger mofos with flails, almost as hard as a heavier two handed weapon. Unfortunately i felt that the jumping heavy was THE BEST dps. Not sure if thats true or not just felt that way.
I also love that they bled and were strike weapons cause i rarely came across anything i did just wipe.
Lastly, not sure how important this is to people.
But flails are my favorite weapon on horse back. Really good damage that staggers. Oh, and another useless bit. They DESTROY the little rock things on the walking mausoleum when on horse back.
I used the dual psion swords, meh.
I finally upgraded from using them exclusively when i got placidusax thrusting sword, and the bleed great thrust sword? The one that has the twisty blade, and the cool soul calibur raphael ash of war? Forgot the name.
Anyways, i didnt hate them, i actually enjoyed them. Their range was a bit iffy to gauge, but overall i never felt at a disadvantage and i could slay most enemies in one or two heavy attacks. Worst thing about flails for me. Is that i dont know of one you can get in the early game that lets you upgrade via somber stone. That hurts flails alot in my opinion.
Alright, imma shut up 🤣
Thank you
I thank you instead.
Man, u are awesome, cuz i see one russian guy before, he don't compare wepon there is no number, and etc he is just kill mobs on 721lvl and compare dmg output on standart quality. Really thanks you
I may pick up Chain link flail just for some fun, my strength intelligence build would put it to good use with cold.
I use flails as a utility weapon basically just for Crystilians. It’s not the only striking weapon, obviously, but for it’s balance of speed and stamina I find it to be my fav. Especially when summoning Mimic Tear to double up on the beat down, it never fails.
Currently running a chainlink flail that's lightning infused. Gets C Scaling at +4 which is nearly unrivaled by any non dagger weapon for lightning scaling.
Using lightning strike aow for extra damage. Blunt is good. Lightning is good.
Range seems better than expected tbh. Seems to be higher than most males anyways.
And it looks drippy as heck with cleanrot chest legs and arms + Hooded Banished knight helm and distinguished greatshield.
So far I'm loving it.
The fact that the STR scaling Flail is the best option to run Lightning Infusion on (scales from DEX) is hilarious to me 🤣
Scales with faith I'm pretty sure
If Flails have a million fans, then I am one of them. If Flails have ten fans, then I am one of them. If Flails have only one fan then that is me. If Flails have no fans, then that means I am no longer on earth. If the world is against Flails, then I am against the world.
Found the flail man right here.
Based, i also love Flails so you won't be alone 🔥
@@Chrightt your lucky that the most overpowered weapon art “Spinning chain” isn’t able to get affinities. Otherwise you would start miss rivers of blood and the moonveil’s weapon art.
I'm down for flails, still waiting on a great hammer vid though. They aren't overkill or top tier but they have some interesting options here and there.
Omega underrated channel at least your followers are loyal
For sure. Thanks a bunch man.
When I first started Elden Ring I went with flails because I got the Nightrider Flail early on and because it had a high dex requirement I assumed it was a powerful weapon. The main problem with the flails is the lack of range. The bleed and the stagger are the main advantages, although the flails are slightly too slow to take full advantage of the stagger. In the end I restarted with a new character and decided to use other weapons. I went with claws; they have short range too, but they are fast and build bleed much better. I think short range is much harder though - you always end up taking more damage.
Ultimately though, the lack of ashes of war is what kills flails for me. It's also a problem for claws, fists and whips. Potentially great weapons hindered by being more of an afterthought in the game.
I used the Nightrider 'cold' flail with 'wild strikes' ash of war during my playtrough, it was really decent and could do massive damage if I had a shot.
Thanks for this, I was just looking over flails the other day myself. Any chances of getting a Fist weapons review?
Yeah, but not for a bit :\
I’m a huge fan of Wild Strikes Flail. I’m wanting to convert after I pick up the black whet blade in my playthrough
The basic flail is decent against greyoll with the bleed and ash which gets a lot of hits
That WAS a much brighter chart 😂 even with that warning I wasn't ready
I just did a flail build for something different and was one of the most fun playthroughs I have had.
Flail on its own is pretty rubbish, so I dual held knightriders flail and normal flail. Double jump hit is very strong. Prod bleed is quite good, but it’s not really a blood build. Spinning slash is very good on big enemies in certain circumstances as well and can melt bosses if you can stun them. Godskin bosses were really easy
Spritzsync did a video with a unseen assassin build , if you cast unseen form, assassins gambit and darkness they cant lock onto you. I think you will enjoy this because of your night assassins build
i love bastard's stars so much lmao, baby rattle weapon goes hard on int build
please make a video on axes
I did double nightriders flail, one w/ cold the other with bleed. It was pretty cool, but the range really sucked.. so I switched and never went back. It was fun though, but maybe if I were better than I could have gotten past Lyndell with flails. I decided to use Vyke's spear and just found it to be better.
I funny enough used flail as my main weapon for my sorceror, but never got around to levelling dex high enough to use the Bastard Stars.
New Chrightt! Hell yeah!
I wish they would give us the default ash of war of the flails so we can get the scaling we want and use the weapon art. I like using blood blade/black flame blade on them but the base scaling is not optimal.
I did 80% of my first run with the standard flail and i found it pretty cool
I did a full PvE playthrough with flails. I had fun. Really good guard-counter -- really bad range. I wish there were better and more ashs of war for them. Seems like a real swing and a miss. Which is what happens a lot when running a flail.
You mentioned the chainlink flail scaling well with lightning infusion. If a weapon scales well with keen, does that mean it also scales well with lightning? Or is it just different for every infusion and every weapon?
It's different for every weapon. Keen/lightning doesn't correlate. You will tend to see fire/lightning correlate better (to different stats of course, one str one dex).
Flails are uber with a shield. They have a very long reach with their guard counter they hit with more impact than most one-handed weapons in the game. I've been playing a lot with guard counters and I can clear wave after wave of knights with just a shield a flail and a dagger. My preferred shield is the wooden greatshield. =)
I use flails primarily for fashion. They really aren’t great, but gosh dang it if I’m gonna pass up on the ring jing jingaling when doing that mounted R2 with the Nightrider Flail.
I just have to say, having colossal weapons, they really missed on having a giant Witch-King-like Flail. I like this for PvE since my first playthrough for it's mounted attack.
where are you getting the motion values? ive been trying to find that sheet for a while now
You can check my discord for the resources.
Spinning weapon is hilarious on flails. Especially the chain link flail. Because the movement of the weapon's hitbox appears to leave a white trail as it spins, flails do this funny thing where, because the flail appears to have physics that affect the hitbox, the white trail just kinda... flops around all funny like.
Overall, it takes an absurd amount of effort to make flails viable in PvE and PvP. I like to use them, but man does it feel like punching yourself sometimes, more often than not reminding yourself that you could be making life so much easier for yourself.
So I was surprised to hear Chrightt say flails are crap a few videos ago because at that point my one and only experience with flails was the Bastard Stars. That thing is low-key an S-Tier weapon. Then I tried a few others, and yeah as a whole flails aren't worth it when there are so many better options. But man is that Bastard Star's amazing.
I've also found that you do have an advantage that a lot of people might not even think of when it comes PVP with flails. It's the fact that they're NOT meta and they're super rare to find in PVP. I'm running dual flails with flame art ashes of war, a Knight's great sword with flame arts, and the giants talisman for my Giants Flame build. When I swap from my sword to my flails more often than not most people will try to parry me and I get to punish them for it. They're not the flashiest weapons or the strongest, but the amount of free damage you get because people don't know how to counter a flail is pretty solid. I don't think it'll ever get to be popular, but if you want to confuse most players into baiting certain attacks I think Flails are the way to go.
Yeah I honestly hope they never get popular so it’ll be more satisfying when they make a mistake when fighting against fail users
Can I ask the different in scaling between fire and flame? I know heavy scales with strength, so since you have them together, I’m guessing fire does as well. But what does flame scale with and how is it different than fire?
Flame scales to faith while Fire scales to strength. Flame/Sacred for weapons generally make the str/dex scaling poor while faith scaling good.
I feel like they're in the same class of weapon as twinblades, you can deal more damage with a katana or curved sword but twinblades make up for it in coolness, with flails you could do more damage with a mace or hammer but it won't be as cool (personally I'm not a fan of the hammer-type movesets)
What about holy flame? Or is it the same damage as fire?
Spinning the flail while on the horse and circling your target has been pretty op for me so far. And i mean, it was the first dex weapon most find. I don't hate it.
One thing you didn't mention is that flails have arguably the best guard counter in the game, both in speed and poise damage. If you're going for a shield-centric build, they are a strong source of strike damage and bleed. And while they don't have the best ash of war selection, they're still able to use Wild Strikes and Lion's Claw, which imo is good enough. I still think they're largely unimpressive, but they still perform reasonably well.
Can you please do great hammers
Could you do a video on scythes
I will cover this for sure!
Tried making a flail knight, can’t event 1-shot Limgrave knights at max dex
thanks. I understand now why my Sacred flail wasn't cutting it.
can we has greatspears?
For sure! Will get there.
Flails in this game have some of the wackiest themes and so I choose to love them like I love the poor bird that flew into my window
I’m surprised more people aren’t interested in great hammers. They have great movesets either 1 handed or two as well as dual wielding. I don’t like the pickaxe rolling light attacks though and it gets a different two handed heavy which I don’t like. Both the single handed and two handed rolling light attacks look great and are fun to use.
The great axes get the same dual wielded moveset as great hammers as well but great axes don’t hit as well as great hammers.
I think most people aren’t talking about them because they usually go for a bleed build or some other super high damage instead of lore stagger weapons. Even if the moveset imo is better.
Normal hammers have crap movesets same with flails. They have the same dual wielded moveset as well which isn’t great.
Are you going to do a great hammer comparison?
What are void enemies please?
Flails are such a cool weapon. They're so satisfying to wield.
At times it's a shame the game is really focused on the over the top armour and weapons. I wish there was a way to turn early weapons into higher end versions. Mainly because the basic flail really fits the simple, understated, cleric type build I initially envisioned, that didn't have any fancy gear but relied on faith to give them power.
Another thing is that in real life, flails, maces and hammers were generally more popular in battle that swords, as they provided more force against armour and shields, wearing down enemies stamina and defense. As well as potentially being able to cause damage through blunt force.
Maces and Hammers yes, Flails not so much, any Weapon with it's striking end attached via a Chain or Rope is always going to be outperformed by a Weapon with a Solid Construction, this is because with a Weapon like a Flail you will always lose Kinetic Energy the moment it strikes, because there is nothing driving that Energy into your target, this is also why Nunchucks are an ineffective Weapon that are easily outperformed by any decently sized Stick you could find lying about outdoors
@@jaydenlobbe7911 True, less popular. But skallagrim had a great video on the benefits of chained weapons like flails in the hands of a skilled combatant.
Useless for PvP for sure, but they're great boss killers. Default Bleed means you can run Cold (or some other split damage) and powerstance jump attack deals crazy stance damage.
Yep. Had a very reasonable fight against Elden Beast using dual chainlink. Offhand with cold, mainhand using bloodflame. Killed it on the second attempt.
Are they better now with the DLC patch?
A very useful data: enemies CAN parry your flail attacks. I have recorded a Sanguine Noble parrying my Nightrider Flail multiple times. I will upload and edit the video link here.
Sounds like a bug with that specific enemy. I used a flail against the Carian Knight in Raya Lucaria and he doesn't even attempt to parry any of its attacks. It makes the fight much easier.
Between this, wing of astel, moonveil, and other weapons that have similar scaling, it’s making it harder and harder for me to decide between making a pure int build or a dex/int hybrid build. Which would do better? Which is harder to invest in?
It really depends on your playstyle. I've tried all 3 weapons and found merits to each one, but they play very differently. Moonveil is obviously the easiest to make work while the other two requires more careful play.
@@Chrightt do you recommend builds to have a variety of weapons to use or just focus on one of them instead?
Weapon variety is most fun, but harder to maintain due to limited upgrade materials.
I used the Nightrider Flail basically my whole first playthrough, they're great weapons for PvE
For PvP tho, you really have to lean on its short range, but the damage is good and they're kinda fast for what they are plus the backstep attacks are great
Only thing that irks me is you can't have the spinning chain weapn to art of you infuse them, and since you can't find this ash of war in the game, it just feels redundant