This made me thinking. What if the only way to safely pass through The Veil safely to the other side is by wearing Harry's invisibility cloak, The Elder Wand is the only wand that can work on that side of The Veil and The Resurrection Stone is the key to return back to this side of The Veil. That would make the owner of the three Hallows to be the Master of Death.
I always thought that the Veil and the Cloak were two parts of the same cloth. One shields the wearer from Death, the other shields the Dead from the living.
wow that's totally interesting! but then, how did they come to be? If the legend is just an excuse for the creation of the hollows (most probably so) then it would mean the peverell brothers created it... or did they just manage to cut a little part away?
The Veil as a "pre-Resurrection Stone," the pensieve as a "pre-Invisibility Cloak," and the Mirror of Erised as a "pre-Elder Wand" is a VERY cool concept. Well done.
Maybe the bridge on the story is actually a metaphor for the Veil, they dicovered how to go to the other side without dying, without death's permision. And from there on they recieve al of the knowledge necesary to create everything else. Almost as a gift from death it self.
Sirius's birthday being on November 3rd is so sad. Imagine him on his 22nd birthday; he's been in Azkaban two days, his best friends were just murdered three days ago, they're probably having or had a funeral which he can't even be at, his other best friend is a traitor and murderer, and he can't go see his last best friend or the child of his other two friends because he's IN AZKABAN being tortured by dementors.
Um, his cousins mentioned in the books where Narcissa Malfoy, Bellatrix Lestrange, and Andromeda Tonks. He only liked Andromeda and they probably went to school roughly the same time as each other. Are you thinking about Harry, who is Sirius' godson?
I love the mystery of the veil and dislike that movie Bellatrix used the killing curse. It doesn't make sense. Harry fully expected Sirius to jump up from the other side at any moment, calling for him in increasing desperation. If he was hit with the killing curse, the entire thing would've been very clear.
The books rule. You are entirely correct. He was confused as to why Lupin was holding him back, and why Sirius wasn't coming. He had a speech inside his head about Sirius. Also, Luna made me feel better at the end, when she said that Sirius wasn't dead, he just couldn't return from the veil. Then there was the mirror. Maybe the veil blocked wizard-wifi, or he just didn't have it with him. Harry Potter is so intricate! I love it!!!!!!😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
They used the killing curse to remove the ambiguity of the Veil. The couldn't explain everything around the Veil in the movie, so having Bellatrix use the Killing Curse removes that. Harry calling out to Sirius, begging him to return I think is just a grief thing.
Dumbledore called the room with the veil,"the death chamber". That makes one think since the veil is surrounded by seats it was used for executions. I guess the Ministry stopped that practice since being imprisoned by dementors was a punishment worse than death.
This is slowly but steadily becoming one of my favorite channels. I find all of these theories really interesting, but I don't have time to research them my myself. So thanks for saving me the trouble and making my lunches more interesting ;)
I FIGURED IT OUT!!! When Dumbledore is talking to fudge he says “you will find several escaped death eaters contained in the death chamber” the room with the veil in it. When the ministry sentences you to death, just like in fantastic beasts and where to find them, you are escorted to the room and killed. The difference is the method. In Fantastic beasts you are lowered into a pool of what I assume is drought of living death. And just like the thestrals, the voices can only be heard through the veil by someone who has witnessed death, that’s why Luna and Harry are so attracted to it because they have both seen the thestrals too. I have a whole theory on this so if you have any questions let me know
Lpl Setsfall this is the answer for sure. In OOTP, there have been many references of Harry and Luna having connections to witnessing death, while the others around cannot. In the department of Mysteries veil ‘death room’, you can clearly see the arch is placed in a centerpiece like the center of a colosseum, with seating all around it. I’m sure the ministry repurposed this ‘nasty archway’ to be a death room like in fantastic beasts... I love supercarlinbrothers, but their theory is much too stretched, and there is no way the pensieve and the veil could be connected
But I thought that the death sentence in England was the Dementor's Kiss. Even so, I find this very intresting; what is the gloo thing in the death pool of the american ministry of magic? Was it there since the beggining like the veil or is something made by wizards? How and why the substance shows you happy memories while "eats" you? Hm, many questions...
I think it's both a death sentence chamber (hence the atrium-like structure with seats for spectators) and kind of a lab where death, afterlife and a possible return from it is a matter of research
I always kinda of thought that those three items had something else in common: they are barriers. The Pensieve is the barrier between past and present, the Mirror of Erised is the barrier between wishes and reality, and the Archway (the most obvious) is the barrier between the dead and the living.
I'm a little confused when did anyone ever mention that Hogwarts was older that the brothers? I always assumed it was the other way round And remember, that Godrics Hollow was named after him, after he was getting so famous, but he was BORN there, or not? So that village already existed, and was just renamed So isn't it possible and more likely, that the brothers were just buried at a village that LATER became Godrics hollow?
I though so too, but seems like we know when they lived. Hogwards war founded 990 and the Peverell brothers lived in 13th century. Although I couldn't verify that in the books since I do not have them.
the brothers could be much older than Hogwarts If they were born in Godric's Hollow before it was named Godric's Hollow. the original place could have had another name lost to time or it may have been that there were so few residents in the beginning that it had no name to start with.
+SuperCarlinBrothers, they were born in the 1200's according to the movie. Although I like parts of your theory, you shouldn't overlook the fact that the movies (although fun) often include these kind of details on their own, without input from JK. I also think that the myth being called "unsubstantiated" by Rowling wouldn't mean it's not true. She often drives home the point that myths are always based on real events. Calling it unsubstantiated just adds to the mystery and causes a lot of (interesting) discussion about it. It's also worthwhile to see how the Mirror closely resembles the stone: they both show you what a lot of people want most desperately: their deceased loved ones. I rather think the object formed an inspiration to the Peverell brothers, rather than that it was their creation.
2:21 JK Rowling probably just brought up Hogwarts when giving the age of the Ministry to provide some context. This lets us know that the building is less than 1000 years old. 8:26 The Peverell brothers could have been born in Godric's Hollow before the birth of Godric Gryffindor, it just might have been called something else back then
Explains many things Gryffindor and Slytherin both would have been descended of Peverells. Gryffindor of the Brother with Cloak and Slyntherin of the Brother with Elder wand. Thereby Potters descended of Gryffindor and Gaunts of Slyntherin. Also would explain traits of Slyntherin as determination and obsessed with power like the Elder Peverell brother. Also Descendants of Gryffindor fighting with descendants of Slytherin.
“Beyond the veil” has been a euphemism for death and the afterlife for centuries. Rowling, ultimately, was just turning an ancient idiom into a story prop.
The Fantastic Beast movies might actually go over that, so let's all hope it happens. Especially since we're gonna be seeing a young(er) Grindelwald and Dumbledore with the Elder Wand.
The veil is such an underdeveloped part of the Harry Potter series. Yes, it is assumed to kill you and is a certain mystery-as it’s in the Department of Mysteries-but no one really knows what its purpose is.
Willow Scammell Not in the books. He just merely fell through due to a stunning spell and then the veil "fluttered like in a high wind and then fell back into place"
Lutece, yeah, he is indeed just felling through it. Some people should really read the books. But i can't blame them either, they changed so much in the movies :-)
I would just like to say that as history progresses you get an interesting phenomenon- multiple names for the same place. Just because he was born in “Goodrich Hollow” doesn’t meant that it was called Godric’s Hollow at the time he was born.
In an ocean of shitty fanservice theories ("Hermione is Harry's sister! Dumbledore is a time-traveling Ron!"), you really deserve a slow clap. This is easily one of the most intelligent theories I've seen in a while. Even if she denies it, it's still great headcanon.
You know what I realized that is kind of cool. Jk Rowling could say literally anything, anything, in an interview about the Harry Potter world and it would automatically become true. Like while she was getting ready for an interview she could literally just say to herself "today I am going to tell everyone that Harry has a secret long lost sibling." And from that moment on, despite anything conflicting with it, it would automatically be fact. Because she created that world that so many have come to love, herself. It's an amazing power and I really respect her.
that's a trope called "word of god", is an interesting topic to bring to the table, but is dangerous path to follow; authors must be very carefull with their words
+Kanna Vz. Kind of a pun and a conundrum. "Authors careful with their words." I don't know, someone who like Tolkien creates this dense of a world - can pretty much say anything. And it becomes truth. And the readers just have to make it work, realize there are probably many more things about the Author's world we don't know.. and be glad that if the Author is still alive they can still impact it's truth/reality. Cause that ability to have possible more unknowns, more story, dies with the Author - fanfiction or no IMHO
I'm glad you got the pun :D, and yes they can, it's their story, but if there's a huge revelation (a plot relevant one) it can't be said by "wog", because it can be seen as an "ass pull" and the same author can be scrutinized for failing at storytelling, Imho if I were JKR and somehow give a press round saying "yeah, HP has a long lost brother" the fans and critics would destroy my social media; and ain't nobody got time for that :D
For the past several years i have been attempting to piece together the history of the wizarding world. Honestly it really makes no sense. The historical inconsistencies are myriad and seem to permeate literally every instance of the franchise where specific dates or cultural communities are mentioned. This has led me to the conclusion that to have all the answers would destroy the beloved franchise.
@@colterwebb6382 a tv show doesn't mean it gives all answers.... we have no clue about castelobruxo either than a mention in the books for instance. the wizarding world stretches through time and space, there is so much that there will always be questions. Who are the heirs of the founders? etc etc
@@raphmateus honestly the heirs of the founders i not evem the most complicated historical position to be in. You realize the the olivander wand company is older than Aristotle. Ron needs an Agripa chocolate frog card, agripa was octavian Augustus' general. Such connections provide huge historical inconsistencies
@@colterwebb6382 yes it doesn't mean that Ollivander himself is that old. It means that his family discovered the secrets of wand lore thousands years ago. Also... Don't forget that wizards led a parallel life to the muggles and the earth population was very small compared to nowadays, it was easy to live undetected (until the witch Hunt which forced wizards to go underground). Aggripa... Is Cornelius Aggripa from the 15-16th century. The Muggle counterpart denounced Witch-hunt practices and denied the existence of Wizards. In the Wizarding community they believe he has been imprisoned by Muggles for his writings. I don't know which real inconsistencies you are mentioning :) But otherwise, if I could request a full book from JK Rowling, it would have unequivocally be the Biography and adventures of Nicolas Flamel as he has been alive for almost 7 centuries. He has seen or heard about every single Triwizard tournament. He has been to Beauxbatons. He has discovered the secrets of alchemy, has fought evil most of his later life and belonged to the original Order of the Phoenix! He has also met and saw prominent wizards such as Aggripa you mentioned, be born and die. He is the biggest anchor to knowledge in the Wizarding World !
Mecca MacCaden it’s actually a good timing reference as we know hogwarts was founded in the 10th century so anything older is over a thousand years old and anything younger hasn’t reached that age yet
i always thought the veil was a sort of magical method of capital punishment. Like it was used to execute people in the past, but in the modern era, capital punishment is highly frowned upon and is not used, especially since they have Azkaban. I do like this theory, though.
MrG6051 I probably won't see it until it's out on DVD, and I'll still see it even if it's already been spoiled for me. I don't mind spoilers that much tbh.
Ok. Well in the movie, the American ministry sentences the main characters to death and uses this giant pool of a Death Potion. So yes we have proof that the ministries DID once sentence wizards to death
I know they were born in Godrics Hollow but isn't it possible they were born before it was known as that? And therefore before hogwarts was built? Also explaining the ancient runes?
I believe they were born long before godrics hollow was renamed for its most famous son. After all people were born in cities like; Jackson, Lincoln, and Washington, long before they were renamed for America’s famous sons.
I just realized that the department of mysteries in Harry Potter is basically just the SCP foundation. They contain things in a building and study them while also protecting people from things such as the veil. Also, they're literally called the "Department of *Mysteries* ".
I know this will get lost and idk if you have this in your video, but in the seventh book, while Harry is in Sirius's room he finds a letter from Lily to Sirius. He observes that Harry and his mother both write their g's the same way and each one is like a little wave from BEHIND A VEIL!
It's been a while, so if this is a silly question, forgive me. But...what if only humans can't cross the veil, in real or spirit form? And what if the Dementors themselves came from the veil? They're not human, and look kinda like dark veils themselves. Or maybe the Ministry used some magic FROM the veil to create The Dementors (and then went "Oh crap, we better not mess with this anymore, something worse might come through")? And that's why Harry always froze up around them, like the other three magic objects?
the ministry didn't create dementors. There's this dark wizard that owned Azkaban, hàd hordes of dementors, and when he died, the MoM took it as a prison.
But where did the COME from? They could still be from the Veil, in theory. And I misspoke when I said MoM, I meant the Wizards of old, who were in power.
Yeah but the veil has been there as long as the ministry of magic so if the dementors were created from the veil by some random dark wizard it would have been below the government building and they'd certainly know. I like your theory though, it would be cool, but it doesn't fit =/
Jaruuuuugamaaa They were here before the Ministry took control of Azkaban, so someone had to create them (or take them) from a veil that was already controlled by the Ministry without anyone of them knowing. Hardly possible, I think.
Wow, I'm loving this theory! Specifically the part about the connection between the veil and the stone. (The pensieve-cloak/mirror-wand parts are a bit more shaky) Re the thestrals - I think you have it a bit backwards. Mastering them is not mastering death. Dumbledore makes it clear that mastering the FEAR of death is what makes you master death. The thestrals are creatures of the link between life and death, but are actually harmless. The use of their tail hairs would surely give the wand an other-worldly quality, but not actually master death alone, as we see clearly in the story. Now, I'd like to add something to the theory: The veil is clearly a portal to the world of the dead, one you can hear into once you've yourself established that connection within yourself (another symtom of which is seeing the thestrals). What if we assume that the portal existed before? There are actual legends of portals to Heaven and Hell in the living world, located in specific and known places. What if it was Cadmus (or all the brothers) who had *discovered* it and decided to mark it by the use of the veil so that one would not just get "sucked in"? It would make all the sense in the world to build the Department of Mysteries around it, and then all the other departments over, to hide it, once the location had been clearly marked. Now here's the biggie: What if that was what actually PROMPTED the 3 brothers to create the hallows in the first place? Perhaps it made them understand the connection between life and death, and made them use their own abilities to fight death? To Antioch's understanding, he would distance himself from death by becoming invincible, so he created an all powerful wand. To Cadmus, the way to defeat death would be by allowing people to return, so he created the stone as a return pathway through the veil (I'd assume he was most intrigued by the veil, and the others didn't set much to store by that particular point. Perhaps it was his pride - he challenged Death at its own doorway). Ignotus, however, understood the power of life and death were beyond his control (a very religious concept) and so he distanced himself from death by HIDING from danger until such time as he felt that he was no longer afraid. This works with the lyrical theme of the Tale of the Three Brothers as their respective qualities are outlined. Please look into this idea, I think this could make a great followup video!!
Don’t forget that Neville can also see the thestrals and hear people speaking behind the veil. In the movie it’s just Harry and Luna that see and hear but in the book we can see that it’s Harry, Neville and Luna. But other wise I like this theory.
I have a theory. After watching Fantastic Beasts (SPOILER ALERT!!!!) We know that when Newt and Tina were death sentenced they were going to be drowned in a weird pool thing, which looks oddly like the veil. We find out that when someone touches the pool they die. What if the veil was used for death sentences like in Fantastic Beasts? It would kinda be like an execution room. So I think when Bella hit Sirius with the curse he died not because she used "Avada Kedavra" but because he fell into the veil, which kills people.
+Theminingmonkey But this "Swooping Evil"-thing touched the pool, causing the memories and stuff to get darker. I think, this also caused the chair to burn... They wouldn't use a new chair for every single death sentence, would they? Therefore this pool could still be a sort of veil... maybe
It should not work on a technicality. What the series fails to explain is that in order to kill a horcrux, you need to meet two requirements. It needs to be a simultaneous physical and magical destruction. The magical element of said method must be destructive enough like cursed fire & basilisk venom to kill the Horcrux part, and the physical side of the method must be destructive to the physical body. Harry had to stab the sword into the locket and pierce it despite the fact that it was already impregnated with venom. If the sword's flat side was caressed or slightly tapped onto the locket's face, it still wouldn't die. Assuming that the veil claims the soul, throwing a diadem through an archway wouldn't actually destroy it right? Sirius body floated out of view when he entered the veil so I don't think the physical body would perish hence not meeting the physical requirement. I would assume that the horcrux will just exist on the unknown side of the veil.
This is my second favorite theory I've heard from you guys. The first being that jacob is a decendant of Helga Hufflepuff. As a Hufflepuff myself I have to admit I am a bit biased though. That being said, I had a few ideas to consider. Like what if the veil was the predecessor of the invisibility cloak(since passing through it, whether it kills you or not, makes your body disappear) the pensieve was the predecessor of the ressurection stone(because the pensieve allows you to see people you've lost but never interact with them but with the resurrection stone you could interact with them again) and that maybe the mirror of erised showed them how to make the hollows? We don't know the full extent of the power of the mirror so maybe if your heart's true desire is to know how to do or make something then maybe it can teach you?
Yeah, the argument is sort of like saying that anyone born in Victoria, Australia pre-1810's because queen Victoria was born in 1819. Which based off the sheer amount of aboriginal tribes in that state alone we know that people definitely lived in that state _before_ Queen Victoria was born
Maybe the dementors are so attracted to harry coz he has two souls as he's a horcrux and he passes out coz he's reliving both his and voldemort's worst memories
2 Yeasrs late i know, but isnt it stated that Cadmus Peverell comitted suicide? Couldnt it be just him trying the Veil himself not knowing what it really did?
I actually don't think so. Because I don't think, that his was an accident. I think he committed suicide and was fully aware of that, which doesn't mean didn't go through the veil. And that would be a way more wizardy way to commit suicide than hanging yourself. But I think it might be possible, that he found out that the veil, his own creation, was only a one way ticket to the realm of the daed by sending his love through it and therefore unknowingly sending her into her death. Of course I as the creator would rather take the risk myself than sending my love through it and risking losing her. And yet I as his love would want the exact same thing only the other way around for the exact same reason. So I would try to convince him to let me go through it instead of going himself. I might argue, that he who created the veil knows it far beeter than me (his love), so that in case that something would go wrong he would more likely be able to help me than the other way round. She might even threatened to kill herself in case he died during the experiment. And he blinded by his confidence boosted by her trust might be convinced by that. And he might anyway refuse to believe, that the veil, probably his whole life's work, is nothing more than a wizardy way to commit suicide (or a way to murder someone without leaving a body that cannot be detected by priori incantatem, because you only have to push your victim through it.) And after he realized what he had done he desperately tried, driven by his guilt and the loss of his love, to create a way to bring back the dead, (which I think wasn't his original idea for the veil. I think he might have only wanted to create some tool to explore and learn something about the realm of the daed or to communicate with or visit the dead.) And after successfully creating the stone he felt a natural high unlike anything he felt before. After years and years of work he finally had brought back his love, undid his guilt. He could be with her forever. But then, when he realized that she wasn't happy, that she was cold and seamed not to belong in this world, that he could not bring back the dead, that all these years and years of work to save her had been absolutely pointless, that his arrogance and foolishness had unchangeably killed his love, that HE had killed her and nothing in this world could change that, he fell in the deepest depression he had ever felt before. He lost the last spark of hope he had and decided to do the only he now believed could truly reunite them. He followed her through the veil.
Interesting theory! My thought was that his love died before he created the veil and that would be the reason why he's so obsessed with bringing back the dead. He created the veil as a portal to give her a way to come back, but she never did, and perhaps he could hear her whisper on the other side, leading him to the conclusion that even though she was there, she couldn't cross the veil, meaning it was a one-way through. He desperately tried to find another way (the stone and maybe others?) but never succeeded and in the end, decided to join her and cross the veil. Also, according to another theory on this channel, the stone would only try to bring you to your own death, so if he summoned her that way, maybe she convinced him to join her in death.
I feel like the veil was actually created by death as a way to take the dead to the other side and the veil is like a door and the resurrection stone is like a key for the veil (door) for mortals to use
Yes, I thought the same thing, and then I read this comment and realized someone else thought it before I did. :P And what actually gets me curious, is the fact that the ministry of magic has a room for prophecies right above the veil. Why is there a door leading to the veil? And why does the door lead all the way down, instead of opening up to a normal floor, or steps or something like that? I guess the ministry of magic uses the prophecies to figure out what some of the biggest criminal wizards and witches are gonna do, and maybe use those prophecies to track down the criminals. Once the criminals are caught, if they are dangerous, maybe they are just thrown right down that door, from where they land right beside the veil, die due to falling from such a great height, and their soul gets trapped in there. So, this brings up another question. Is the ministry of magic using the veil as a prison for criminal's souls? Is their plan to trap the criminal's souls for eternity? And since everyone knew about the deathly hallows, was the ministry ever planning on obtaining the resurrection stone to come in contact with the souls they had trapped in the veil in order to obtain more information? I don't know, it's possibly that the system of veil came up in order to prevent loss of intel in case a criminal spends his/her life in jail (one of them being Azkaban), and die. This is actually a really dark to be honest.
hey I have a theary, is it possible that voldimort failed to be able to use the three relics not because he hasnt disarmed or killed the previous owners, but becaues he refuses to accept death.
when he tries to use the stone it rejects him by hiding in a place he couldn't reach, the mirror. voldimort's deepest desire was to not die, and since he can't die he could never see the stone.
the wand the grants your deepest desire, when he tries to use it, it starts to crack because like before his deepest desire at that point is to rule everything but he shut himself away from death meaning he can't rule it so the wand starts to break.
finally the cloak that hides the user from death the only relic that voldimort would actually want exept that he doesn't think to obtain it because it goes against his purpose. in death you are know but not seen, when alive you are seen not known. voldimort wants the best of both to be seen and known, in attempting to break the requirments the cloak hides it's self with the one person who can keep it hidden Dumbledore.
Harry thow has accepted death into his life, why the stone shows its self to him. why the cloak ends up in his hands and why the wand falls to him. he accepted death into his life for so long that the relics see him as another person suitable for there proper use.
For the stone part, are you talking about the Philosopher's/Sorcerer's Stone? If so, you'll have to rework that portion pretty heavily. The Resurrection Stone is _not_ the Philosopher's Stone.
My mum passed away a couple of years ago. I was devastated and of course I still miss her a lot. Whenever I’ve thought of her as being dead, particularly in the months after her death, The Veil has always come to mind. It’s just that feeling that she’s right there, just out of reach, and there should be some way of getting in touch with her. I suppose the fact that I live in the house that we shared and that I see objects belonging to her and photos of her every day makes that connection particularly strong. Also, the graveyard where my mum is buried is less than a mile from where I live. At the same time I’d sort of know, logically, that there’s no way I can reach her now. Although I was raised Catholic, I’m not at all religious now and I don’t really believe that there is an afterlife, although I’m not so sure about that now. I guess the idea of her being in Heaven or some form of afterlife doesn’t give me any comfort because it’s more the day to day things that I miss about my mother. I’d be interested to know if anyone else who has lost someone can relate to this.
What is the point of reducing your mother's fate to how it affects you. I know you don't see it like that but it's unbelievably selfish. Think of it as "Why do I care if I donate to an orphan in Africa. Yeah they're well fed and happy but I don't see it so it doesn't benefit me". You're going to die one day too. Death is guaranteed, but heaven isn't. If anything, you should be more hopeful you will reunite with her one day
When I first read deathly hallows and I heard the description for the spirits conjured by the resurrection stone, My first thought was the veil was related to the stone not as a precursor but as a complimentary piece. It can only be entered from this side but what happens if the dead are already here? The dead can't die. So would a spirit conjured by the stone be able to walk through the veil and pass through on the other(physical) side and thus no longer be separated by the veil(dead). After all if the veil is a physical representation of the border between the world's What happens if a spirit were to walk through it. We know that the stone keeps them here(even against their own will) until the summoner dies so the veil can't keep them. So if a spirit crosses the physical barrier and come through the veil completely does the veil no longer cover them?
That is an interesting theory. Maybe the veil is a passage way for ghosts/zombies who can't or refuse to cross over. Probably a good reason to build a ministry around it.
Or, perhaps the stone IS the key to walking through the veil... i mean, what are the odds of someone possessing the resurrection stone AND having the opportunity to cross through the veil? But regardless, i think you are right about the stone and the veil somehow being not precursors to each other but rather complimentary pieces that, when used together, might do things the wizarding world believed to be impossible.
It's not demiguise because in Deathly Hallows we find out that there are other invisibility cloaks out there, that are indeed made from demiguise hair. But they tend to wear out and stop working a lot of the time, they also are not protected against revealing charms the way Harry's (Ignotuses) is. So it very well could be thestral hair. BUT it leaves a sort of plot hole, if people who have seen death can see thestrals, why can't those same people see through the cloak?
Wouldn't that only make you invisible to some people? The people that have seen death would see a person walking around with a black cloth covering them (that gives me an amusing image in my mind of Harry walking around thinking he is invisible when he isn't). Also, since Herry has seen death how would he be able to see through it? Maybe thestrals were the inspiration and that by studying them Ignotus was able to figure out how to make things invisible to all people. I can see him using the thestral hair as the origin of the cloak and doing some additional magic to make the invisibility apply to all people. There is also the possibility that it changes properties when removed from the animal.
Couldn't Dumbledore see him? It would make a lot of sense, but someone would have to check every instance of Harry using the cloak for people who most likely saw someone die.
We know that Rowling loves threes and English mythology, so I think not only are the Deathly Hallows related to the Pensieve, the Veil, and the Mirror, but they're also related to Arthurian legend. The Mirror/Elder Wand represents Caliburn, Arthur's enchanted sword which can be wielded only by the one who is most worthy -- and which was returned to the Lady of the Lake, who lives below what amounts to a giant mirror. The Pensieve/Cloak represents the Holy Grail, with its protective power and literally resembling a goblet filled with enchanted liquid. And the Veil/Resurrection Stone represents the Siege Perilous, the seat at Camelot's round table reserved solely for the blemishless knight who would one day retrieve the Holy Grail, and which will bring death to anyone else who sits in it.
Neat but tortured comparisons. I'm pretty sure the sword of Gryffendor would be the better comparison to Excalibur. And really, looking for Arthurian legend for inspiration seems a little suspect since the series of Merlin related profanities would suggest Authur might be part of Magical history for them, not just legend.
From a Jungian perspective, "King Arthur" is an archetypal figure which may have applied to several different historic periods and rulers ranging from the Bronze Age to the Medieval Period. This means that within the Harry Potter narrative the real Arthur/Merlin might be quite separate from the legend. It likewise means Rowling may be making the connections unconsciously, adapting the Arthurian narrative into her own.
I don't think the deathly hallows (at least not all of them) are based on the arthurian legend's part, but there is definitely connections between harry potter and these legends. Like the way harry finds the sword in the sorting hat because he is a true gryffindor is a perfect mirror to the way Arthur is the only one to be able to take the Excalibur out of the rock because he's the only one worthy of it, although both of them are kids not expected to be heroes at the time. But your comparison of the veil and the stone with the siege perilous is a really good interpretation, I never thought about that but it's truly possible! And don't forget that Arthur is lead by the lady of the lake, and he's the only one that can see her. Like Harry is the only one who was able to see Sirius, Remus and his parents that lead him until the end. Although I'm wondering this: in the legend, Arthur is not the one finding the holy grail, but he's the one launching the quest. He accompanied by Merlin like Harry is accompanied by Dumbledore, and the one that finds the Grail, Percival, is a knight that Arthur helped by keeping him in his circle of "knights of the round table"... can this apply to someone like Neville who was trained in the DA by Harry, and who is the one that destroyed the last horcruxe by killing Nagini, making victory possible? Or can this apply to another member of the DA?
@@naloriel9 Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore. Does the name help with understanding the thinking is correct? Albus got his second name from his father, Percival Dumbledore, so the name runs in the family. Also, Helga Hufflepuff's cup is grail like. And it's said that Hufflepuffs are good at finding things :)
@@NoJusticeNoPeace In that case maybe she is using the legend of Sigurd/Siegfried of the Volsung Saga or Nibelungenlied which has even more similarities. Odin (whom one of his realms is death) plunges the sword Balmung/Gram/Nothung into a tree, proclaiming that whoever receives it will find no sword better. Sigurd pulls the stone from the tree... Later on he slays the dragon Fafnir, bathing in the blood and himself becoming invulnerable (bar a small spot where a leaf was stuck to his body). Of course he also has a special cloak that renders him invisible. Siegfried also is later then murdered in a dishonorable method and his sword is stolen. Don't have a specific spot for the resurrection stone to this... Also Siegfried died before his wife (and it was she who eventually avenged his death), but still... Volsung Saga and the Arthurian Legends have a large amount of crossover/similarities to them. PS to the original person. Caliburn/Excalibur/Caledfwlch/Caliburnus was gifted to Arthur by the Lady in the Lake after the sword he pulled from the stone was broken while fighting King Pellinore.
Maybe she wanted to keep him alive to deliver him to Voldemort so he chould blackmail Harry? XD Everyone knew that he had soft spot for Sirius... IDk just a thought
No, it could't have been. Because if I recall correctly, Mrs. Weasley hit Bellatrix with the same spell in the last book, and it killed Bellatrix. So it was a curse that could kill, though it wasn't Avada Kedavra.
Thestrels aren't just related... They are theorized to be what Deathly hallows are birthed from: The Thestrel IS seemingly DEATH in the story. The Elder Wand is fueled by the hair of the Thestrel. Fueled by death and powerful. It is also the only wand of it's kind. The Resurrection Stone is created from the Thestrel's Heart. Born from death yet bringing life. The Invisibility Cloak is the hide of the Thestrel, the creature is unseen just like the cloak.
'IS THE MINISTRY OF MAGIC A DICTATORSHIP?'. Guys, can you do a video on this question...........? “Dumbledore was offered the job multiple times, Fudge was sacked / forced to resign and then replaced by Scrimgeour and Kingsley was appointed acting Minister. That implies that it’s not a democracy, so who chooses the Minister and how?”
When I read the books, I imagined that it worked like a shadow government, using the 'muggle' government as a template to work from. I imagined there being some kind of magic parliament, with the majority bloc of said parliament appointing members of the executive branch from its ranks- including, I imagined, the MM. That's basically how it works in the 'muggle' or real world UK gov't, and would explain the whole 'appointing' business.
Omer Farooq I think it's fascist because think about it. The Ministry of Magic technically controls the muggle world too because they ERASE the memories of muggles who have "no right to see magic" like we're some objects and the muggle government has no say in it! They even have laws regarding muggles and basically the muggle government is a puppet for the Ministry of Magic since the Minister of Magic sometimes speaks to the Prime Minister and sometimes plants his own kind within the muggle government. I'm surprised that the Prime Minister, muggle-borns, and muggles related to wizards aren't disturbed by the fact that the MoM ERASES THE MEMORIES OF THEIR OWN KIND! They might say that they care about muggles but if they really did then they wouldn't erase their memories and because WHAT RIGHT DO THEY HAVE and there would be no need to segregate themselves from muggles and keep themselves a secret if they can't help that a muggle sees magic once a year! And then there's Cornelius who only cares about power and takes away freedom of speech and creates lies about Harry and Dumbledore so he can have more power and is personally controlling the school and doesn't care if Umbridge tortures kids as long as no one knows he can get away with it and didn't give Harry or anyone he's put to trial veritserum to prove their innocence or guilt. THEY DON'T NEED EVIDENCE OR WITTINESSES IF THEY HAVE A POTION THAT CAN FORCE PEOPLE TO TELL THE TRUTH! Which means he wants the people he hates in Azkaban even though they're innocent and the people he likes or can give him more power with him even though they're guilty. I'm surprised he didn't order someone to obliviate Harry's memory so he wouldn't remember what happened in the graveyard or try to put an imperious curse on him even though Harry is pretty much immune to the imperious curse but they would try right? #theministryofmagicisfascist 😧
Great video very explanatory. I recently watched Toy Story 2 and I was wondering.....WHY don't the Woody collectables in Al's office come alive like the other toys? Would you do a video on this next? Thanks!
This question kept me from sleeping. But I think they don't come to life because they're not the full toys. Just accessories. I mean you never see woodys hat come to life. :)
JKR: It's the divide between life and death. I tried to do a nod to that in the Tale of Three Brothers - she was separate from them as though through a veil. You can't go back if you pass through that veil, you cannot come back. Or you can't come back in any form that will make either person happy anyway. But when they surround that veil [in Order of the Phoenix], I was trying to show that depending on their degree of skepticism or belief about what lay beyond - because Luna, of course, is a very spiritual character. Luna believes firmly in an afterlife. She's very clear on that. And she feels them speaking or hears them speaking much more clearly than Harry does. This is the idea of faith. Harry thinks he can hear them; he's drawn on. But Harry's had a life that has been so imbued with death that he now has an uncharacteristically strong curiosity about the afterlife, especially for a boy of 15, as he is in Phoenix. Ron's just scared, as I think Ron would be - he just knows this is something he doesn't want to dabble with. Hermione, hyper-rational Hermione - 'can't hear anything, get away from the Veil.' So if you walk through the veil, you're dead.You're dead. What you find on the other side, well, that's the question.
Lucas Freitas your theory is cool, but there is a flaw. no matter how rational hermione is, in the Harry Potter books its very clear that the after life exists. Ghosts. Harry's parents appearing in important moments. So faith cant be the reason, cause everyone in the Magical World knows that the afterlife exists
carmen uljanicka however as Nick says in OOTP only those who are scared of death will become ghosts. I believe that only those who well and truly cannot comprehend the idea of dying and no longer existing can become ghosts; those in the Order of the Pheonix "know the risks" (as Molly says in OOTP) which means they understand the possibility of dying and no longer existing; they had already come to terms with death and accepted it would inevitably happen at some point. Harry's parents, Sirius, Severus, Lupin, Tonks, Mad-Eye, Fred and many more were in the Order, so this holds true. The idea of the afterlife is more of the experience Harry faces in The Deathly Hallows when he meets Dumbledore in "Kings Cross Station". We know it's not the station, but perhaps the afterlife is only the misconception of living beyond death and merely a persons brain being alive, rather than a whole and synonymous body, like Nick, The Baron, Helena, etc.
harshada samant I doubt it. It's not like that happens to every fictional character, some maybe but not all. Homer is not a legend, he is just a character. Also people told stories more than read them back in the day so there aren't books expressly showing that a story is fiction.
can we just sit and appreciate JK ROWLING. we study the wizarding world like we study world history. she literally created another world, so detailed, that when she writes/talks about it, it's similar to how a historian would write/talk about a real existing place with a rich intricate past. and all this came from ONE woman. god, she is amazing.
MangsyBoBangsy your right about saying God because that's her level She is absolutely brilliant in every way, also because now there is a type of history I'm interested in and good at!
I securely wish that she continues expanding this amazing world she created and writes many more stories in it. More spin offs like Fantastic beasts would be amazing. XD
His logic is all based on a single incorrect guess: That the reason why J.K. Rowling mentioned Hogwarts in the 2005 interview is apparently "random". It's not. She mentioned it simply because Hogwarts is insanely old (1200 years), and she's just saying that though the ministry of magic isn't quite that old.
Though I do like the idea that the second brother, Cadmus, built the veil. Sounds like as good an origin story as any. However, I thought the three brothers met Death who gave them each one present, which is the Deathly Hallows?
In the actual Beetle the Bard story the three brothers do meet Death but in actuality (and Dumbledore's guess) they were just extremely talented wizards who created the Hallows themselves.
Also, "The veil has been there as long as the ministry has been there" doesn't necessarily mean it has been there LONGER. Probably not, or else she would have said it has been there longer, not as long. The statement would still make perfect sense if they built it at the same time as they built the ministry itself. Following the theory that it is an execution method, this also fits.
Vousie V At first I thought that too. But if you think about how many parts of this theory make perfect sense, and then look at how many other times JK Rowling has created complicated but perfect hidden theories, it's quite possible that her mention of Hogwarts wasn't simply a comparison of age.
The "Godric's Hollow" flaw can be explained in a much simpler way: Godric's Hollow was renamed in honor of Godric Gryffindor, and the pervell brothers lived their prior.
if you use the egyptian and greco concept of a river, crossing or travelling on a river was the passage to the afterlife. So from your vid i assume the analogy of a bridge could easily be a portal to the afterlife (death)
On page 259 of HP and the Deathly Hallows, Hermione explains how Godrics hollow was named _after_ him (Godric), out of honour and respect, but I guess when the Peverells had lived there, it was known as something else.
I wonder if maybe they didn't create the 'pre-deathly hallows' but instead found them and were inspired. (This is assuming they went to Hogwarts) Antioch could have seen the mirror while at Hogwarts and, like many others, became obsessed with getting what he saw in the mirror. Cadmus could have stumbled upon the veil by accident and decided to try and find a way to allow him to bring someone from the other side of the veil back. And Ignotus could have seen the pensieve while at Hogwarts and, like you said, became inspired to make someone invisible in the present.
@karishma rao No, Hogwarts was founded before them because one of them lived in Godric's Hollow, named after Godric Gryffindor, one of the founders of Hogwarts.
Could it have been possible, that Ignotus lived in Godrics Hollow before it was named Godrics Hollow? I mean the place may have existed before Godric Griffindor...
Since wizards that die have the choice of staying in the world of the living as a ghost or of "passing on", I think that the veil would make a ghost "pass on" by going through it
Domthe Zom Yes, but you can go back in time to make sure something happens. Say, one could go back in time to leave the pensive on the spot that Hogwarts would one day be built. Much like Harry summoned his Potronous to insure he and Serious survive the Dementors.
I like this because it actually does cover that "hole" and gives both theories a more solid ground. Even you said it yourself Levshu, it is a self fulfilling prophecy essentially that brings Harry back to save him and Sirius.
I think you're right, but I don't think you're going far enough. If the youngest really desired to reach the past again, he would have done more than just make a cloak to invoke invisibility. I believe that he may have made the time turner, as well. A device made purely to reach the past.
Except according to this theory, he didn't really want to reach the past, the Pensieve was simply something used to look at the past more clearly, he realized what an advantage being invisible was, and made the invisibility cloak, at no point (according to this theory) was time travel involved or his desire)
Unless Time-Turners already existed and he wanted to be able to see the past without going there. Get around the weakness that is meeting yourself in the past.
Morgan Stiefvater this is just something that I thought of and I'm probably completely wrong but oh well. As we know it wasn't him who tested the veil like you said what if it was his fiance?? What if she tried to test it, died and then the brother makes the stone to bring her back from feeling like it was his fault for creating the portal???? In both the book and movie when talking about his fiance it says that he was trying to bring her back to life after "her untimely death." Concidence?? I think not!! (As nothing in the Wizarding world is concidental.)
Doesn't it make more sense if the Resurrection Stone was built first and Cadmus grew frustrated with the incomplete passage of his wife via the stone? Then, when he created the Veil portal, he went through it before realizing that he hadn't created a stable way back and the world interpreted that as his "suicide"? Pensieve/Invisibility Cloak is cool though. And then the Mirror and the Wand lovely...but again, I wonder if it makes more sense in the other direction. The Mirror could have corrupted the other two brothers...or even been the real way in which they "met Death" as described in the story. Dumbledore goes on and on about the amount of people who have died because of the Mirror and "wasted away in front of it" but instead the Three Brothers use it as inspiration and "build a bridge" between themselves and the images they see in the Mirror. Death's Trick is that their inventions were imperfect at replicating the Mirror and led to their demise in any case, just in more spectacular form than its usual victims. In some ways, this even makes Harry an arguable victim of the Mirror, as he dies in a fair approximation of the image he saw within it -- surrounded by his vanished family members. He implies it's the only way he would have the strength. Thus finally justifying why the third book needed those items to make up the Deathly Hallows. Harry's full possession of all three at the time, his mastery of them, allowed him to reverse the tricks played on the Peverells -- to use the rules of the Elder Wand to short-circuit the killing curse fired at him by Voldemort and to use some combination of the Invisibility Cloak hiding him and the Resurrection Stone's power to provide him with a guide to explain the rules of Death Antechamber in order to return properly to the land of the living. The Mirror was part of Harry's first death, but the united tricks of the Peverell brothers allow him and them to finally defeat the Mirror of Death. Going off on my own theory, if we accept that the Mirror is not neutral but actively hostile, I like the idea of the "men who wasted away in front of it" as the origin of Dementors who continue to suck that same life out of others...perhaps in the hopes of acquiring new dreams or being able to see it again at least one last time. Which means Harry, a victim of the Mirror who only narrowly survived becoming such a wasted figure, would naturally instinctively fear Dementors over everything else, even the man who killed his parents and tried repeatedly to kill him, by unconsciously recognizing him as his near fate. And when is the only time that someone looking in the Mirror survives just fine? Harry with the Philosopher's Stone, bestowing immortality. Where better to hide it than in the true portal to death? Incidentally: If Ariana made Dumbledore's socks before she died, Dumbledore's answer to what he saw in the mirror could be some version of the truth. Especially with the symbolism that socks later take on starting in the second book. And it would certainly be both Dumbeldore's chief association with Death, as incarnated in the Mirror, and what leads to his eventual death via the curse on the Gaunt Ring/Resurrection Stone since his desire to see Ariana again is EXACTLY what gets him killed. The Mirror always has its revenge.
Katy Mulvaney WOW I am impressed. But I think the sock thing is a bit far. I think Dumbledore was just lying. Some things are too personal and painful to share with the eleven year old boy you're raising for slaughter. I do really like the idea of the mirror as actively hostile, though. So do you think that Death created the mirror and the brothers made the hallows in response? Or one of them made the mirror as well, without realizing what a mistake it would be?
Ok, this is just spit-balling, but maybe the timeline and the creation of the Pensieve are not entirely unrelated. Maybe the true power of the Pensieve was not to just look into the past. What if Ignacious wanted to... change the past. (Pause for dramatic effect) So being invisible is an amazing ability, but in comparison to the lofty goals of the other two brothers, it seems a bit shallow. The elder wand was created to conquer reality. The Sorcerer's Stone was created to conquer death. What if the invisibility cloak was created to conquer time. So here is how my theory holds water. The invisibility makes people in the present unable to see you, the Pensieve makes people in the past unable to see you. If you wear the invisibility cloak inside the past, would a double negative effect work to allow a person to react with the past an effectively travel through time? Ignacious could have been born in Godric's Hallow, travel through time to the past using the Pensieve but in doing so take the Pensieve with him. He would have known where Hogwarts was to have been built so he would move the Pensieve there and await the coming of the legendary founders. Perhaps that was his goal, to meet the founders themselves. But as he doesn't appear in the legend of the founding of Hogwarts, maybe he went too far. As the Pensieve doesn't allow one to travel forward in time he would have nothing to do but wait but maybe he couldn't wait long enough before he died, leaving the Pensieve behind to later be found. This would also explain how he hid from death. In his original timeline, Ignacious would have disappeared completely, effectively cheating death. Any who knew that he had the cloak would think he was just hiding in plain sight, when in reality he was hiding in time. Boom. Mic drop.
Maybe he made a version of the Pensieve where you could change the past and went into the past. Then Ignacious could have realized, being the clever man that he is, that this was too powerful of an object. Still wanting to have something that you could use to travel into the past, he made the actual Pensieve, but in the past. Then he went back to his present and destroyed the first Pensieve upon finding the actual one? Or yea maybe the Pensieve can change the past too, idk...
Isn't the Pensieve introduced as "a pensieve" rather than "The Pensieve" - implying it is not a unique item? All five other relics are clearly individual, specific items even if lesser versions can be made. Other wands of elder wood had been made, they just weren't very good. Other invisibility cloaks had been made, they just weren't as good. The Veil, the Mirror, and the Stone are all completely unique, with no lesser versions of them discussed. Or perhaps The Pensieve is just a superior version of other pensieves? The only people we see use the memory extraction spell are those associated with Hogwarts (Dumbledore, Snape, Slughorn), so we don't really know how widespread knowledge of the technique really is.
I can't recall exactly where, I think it was pottermore, but I remember reading that there are other pensieves that belong to wizards and they are very personal items. So much so that they are usually buried with them, but The Pensieve is one that is communally owned by Hogwarts, but no one used it as much as Dumbledore. So it might just be a superior version of the ordinary one, but it's definitely not the only pensieve around, even if it is special
the philosophers stone cannot resurrect the dead it can only preserve what is already living, voldemort never died so he could still use the stone (that is if dumbledore hadnt destroyed it)
That's based on the assumption that the material would reflect the power expressed in raw form , even when refined by a masterful genius. Even us non magic folk can create items that differ from or even betray their original properties.
The Veil is explained by Rowling... read it on Pottermore. It was always there, but was eventually used as an execution device back when the wizarding world still executed instead of using Azkaban. The room it can be found im is called "the Death Chamber" by Dumblredore in the 5th book.
Ok my bad.. When I said "it's always been there" I meant it's been there before recorded history since nobody knows where it came from. I agree it must have been made by a wizard. And Dumbledore calling it the Death Chamber COULD just mean it's where the unspeakables study death, but I think in 99% of cases a Death Chamber would only be called a death chamber if it's a room that's used (or in this case: has been used) to execute criminals. It ALSO matches with the Death Chamber in "Fantastic Beasts" (which is true Harry Potter content since Rowling did the screen writing). There we have an execution chamber that works basically the same way. The happy thoughts of the victim are put into the .. let's call it "Death Pool", where it then charms the victim into wanting to die. OR: maybe it's the natural allurance of death (like the veil), the promis of piece and quiet, no sorrows, eternal sleep. - Second seems more fitting to me. - Yes we see the pool-"water" act like acid on matter, but I'm 99% sure they wouldn't charm you into wanting to die only to burn you alive in acid ^^ No I'm sure the pool acts as a portal to the world of the dead, just like the veil. Maybe it's inspired by it. Probably I'd say even. I go as far as to say it might be the same thing, different design and (long stretch now) maybe even by the same maker. But the last one might be a bit much I have to admit. So the wizarding world is more merciful than the muggles when it comes to execution: let the natural fascination and secret desire for death work for them so that the victim accepts death and even dies practically of "free will". That fits *very* well when we take the Veil into account. I think Death Chamber means Execution Chamber and I'm 90% sure of it... Having the basically same device twice, one of which is definitely used as an instrument to execute people. I think it's pretty clear.
You have done a serious problem : The Veil is a portal which a wizard with the resurrection stone can go through and enter dead world and he can come back! the resurrection stone is like a key but without it you can't come back like Serious Black! And second brother had used the veil many times and he found that world for a alive human is hard , cold, .... so he decide to suicide! why did he commit suicide? because he had seen dead people world and it wasn't scary for him anymore!
But could he still use the stone on the other side of the veil to bring himself back? Ok so it can't really bring you back and it would be a stupid thing to do but still. Could it be possible to go through the veil and then come back using the stone?
+Lisa it could be possible. i think the point is that sirius body isn't there anymore. it is on ''the other side'' so mabye the person who goes throw the veil is able to use the things from our world and when you have the stone in your pocket...?
Lisa I say the same thing! I think the stone is the key of the veil! Some one who has stone can go to dead world and can come back! but without it you can just go inside!
There's also the descriptions of the contents of the pensieve and the makeup of the invisibility cloak. Both are described as being silvery and liquid like. The pensieve gave off a silvery light and had a liquid/gas consistency: "like light made liquid, or wind made solid." The cloak was a silvery fluid like material that: "felt strange to the touch; like water woven into material." It's definitely conceivable that by studying the pensieve and the thestrals Ignotus created the perfect invisibility cloak.
Wouldn't it make more sence that Godrick's Hollow was renamed after Godrick Griffindor built Hogwarts as countries, streets etc are renamed to this day in our world?
So is the cloak made of thestral hair? and most likely if you can see thestrals you can see through the cloak, maybe thats why dumbledore could see ron and harry in the chamber of secrets?
That would mean Luna could see them and Snape and Quirell should've when they were arguing and potter got close. We know Luna saw a death, Snape was a death eater...he should've seen a "few" deaths as close as he was to Voldemort, and Quirell was the host of Voldemort and well they surely either dealt some death or seen them first hand.
I think that the way they "see" death is more emotionally attached. I could look it up but I dont want to lol, but I dont think just because youve murdered someone or have seen just any death will suffice. I believe its supposed to be the act of "knowing" death by having lost someone you truly cared about, Harry saw Cedirc? and i guess he kinda cared lol and Luna saw her mom. Voldemort didnt care about anyone he killed and Snape only cared about Lilly and he didnt see her die.
+ Luca Leone That explains too why Harry couldn't see the thestrals before Cedric died, thought he has seen his parents when he was a baby : he didn't know what death means
except his theory is busted the pensif isnt a past portal it shows memories of the people who put memories in it like dumble door did with his wand or snape has his tear
You're a witness to someone's recollection - memories by definition occur in the past, although they are 1) affected by limited perspective and sometimes even limited interpretation of the person who owns the memory; and 2) not actionable. The cloak made you _appear_ as if you aren't there, but you can fully interact with the world in every other respect. Someone's (personal) past is immutable (obvs barring magical tampering) + you are a completely undetectable witness, but also unable to participate = Pensieve Objective past is mutable + you are detectable participant = time turner Objective present is mutable + you are a nearly undetectable participant = Invisibility cloak
Jennifer Pruitt A lot of comments have been saying that The Veil wasn't created by Cadmus Peverell, but by the Ministry for execution. I actually agree with you said, and I think that it still was created by Cadmus, and simply found by the Ministry and put to use for execution.
This is so good and it can apply such a fitting theory: Master of Death; going to the other side through the veil, surviving that and stick around there with the protection of the invisibility cloak, getting done what you desire with the elder wand, and having a return-savely-ticket with the resurrection stone. Back in the real world you are the only one conquered Death and being called Master of Death because you have some things to say. Isn't this like so good?
I'm not 100% into it... but there are some really interesting parallels. I did love when you mentioned Harry and Luna could hear voices and can see thestrals, but Neville can see them too and he didn't say he heard anything. JK said they can hear them because they are open to the idea of the afterlife whereas Hermione isn't. I find it odd that anyone in the WW wouldn't be open to the afterlife, after all there are ghosts all over Hogwarts! The only difference between Hermione and the others is she's Muggleborn. One thing no one ever seems to mention is that when Harry was drawing toward the veil he said 'Ron is that you' - whether or not he was hearing Ron's voice or just imagining it we don't know but it seems to suggest the people on the other side either aren't dead... or only pretend to be loved ones to lure you in. one thing I'd really like to know is why there's rows of benches around it, as if it's used (or was used) as some kind of counsel. Which is an odd thing to use something like that for. But actually it just struck me now... is it a long-abandoned execution room? the ministry sit around and the accused is pushed into the veil, similar to MACUSA's death cell. In there you are mesmerised by happy memories, just as Harry & co were mesmerised by the veil. That might push the pensieve and the veil closer...
Lovely Sunday Vintage Luna said that she heard her mother in vail but vail is really big mistery and i think it is portal to death and maybe it was used to execute bad guys but then ministry built azkaban for it and vail wasnt used but i want to know how Luna heard her mother if her mother died in accident while doing experiments
I loved this, but I feel like there is one weak point, which is simply how you chose to link the Elder Wand with the Mirror of Erised. I feel like there would be better ways to go about connecting the two than what you did. For example, the Mirror of Erised helped its creator realize his heart's desire, and seeing what is most worth fighting for inspired him to build the Elder Wand, not to simply summon it, but to help him fight for it. On that vein, why would the elder wand accept the creator as its master in the first place? We see no evidence of Olivander or other wandmakers being able to use every wand in their shops, so why should the Elder Wand, the most powerful wand ever created, accept its creator automatically?
Benny Blue I have another theory about that what is the other object we know that can make people get what they want yes liquid luck what if the potion was created by the oldest brother in a first place
For your last question, maybe it's as simple as: He is the one that claimed it. The only reason the people who buy the wands from the wand makers "own" their wands is because their maker gave them to their new owner, but they can be taken from that owner (with the person taking the wand claiming it) and will then work for that person. Their seems to be no reason why Olivander COULDN'T use every wand in his shop, or at least a wand he created himself, because in a sense, they only start to belong to other Wizards when he allows them to claim them.
The Elder wand seeks power. There is a theort that in the fight with Grindelwald and Dumbledore, the wand saw that dumbeldoor was the more powerful wizard and actually performed less powerfull spells so that Dumbledore would win the fight and win the wand. "The wand chooses the wizard"
7:18 No, Neville can see the thestrals, too! At least in the book, he can, I can't remember if they mentioned it it the movie, but he says he saw his grandfather die.
does it explain how his grandfather died? From what I understood Harry's and Luna's family died horrible deaths. I am wondering if the type or manner of death matters?
I don't think it matters how. I remember reading about this, JKR said that the reason why Harry didn't see thestrals as he was returning home after seeing Cedric die was because it hasn't really sunk in yet. For someone to see thestrals you need to have first seen the death and then come to accept it. As a baby, Harry saw his mother die right in front of him but he wasn't able to see the beasts until much later because he wasn't able to comprehend death.
This made me thinking. What if the only way to safely pass through The Veil safely to the other side is by wearing Harry's invisibility cloak, The Elder Wand is the only wand that can work on that side of The Veil and The Resurrection Stone is the key to return back to this side of The Veil. That would make the owner of the three Hallows to be the Master of Death.
Fahmi Adzfar this is genius!!
So genius!
Damm... that's good.
Dumbledore is often seen extracting his thoughts with his wand to put into the pensive. And what wand does he have? The Elder wand of course.
That is so genius!
I always thought that the Veil and the Cloak were two parts of the same cloth. One shields the wearer from Death, the other shields the Dead from the living.
wow that's totally interesting! but then, how did they come to be? If the legend is just an excuse for the creation of the hollows (most probably so) then it would mean the peverell brothers created it... or did they just manage to cut a little part away?
lol
Morgyborgyblob that’s a reasonable explanation
Morgyborgyblob This is a GREAT thought!
Ohh ö that’s such a good idea I never thought of that!
The Veil as a "pre-Resurrection Stone," the pensieve as a "pre-Invisibility Cloak," and the Mirror of Erised as a "pre-Elder Wand" is a VERY cool concept. Well done.
I was thinking that maybe the wood used for the mirror might've been the wood used to make the wand.
Cool
Maybe the bridge on the story is actually a metaphor for the Veil, they dicovered how to go to the other side without dying, without death's permision. And from there on they recieve al of the knowledge necesary to create everything else. Almost as a gift from death it self.
THIS IS THE DEFINITELY THE ANSWER TO THIS THEORY😨
I totally agree with you
Same is a good guess but we can't be shour
OH MY GOD YES
@@henrypeel8851 sure*
You had one chance of titling the video "The veil - unveiled!"
ScarletGhost a wasted opputinity
Jacob Rickayzen you had one chance to spell opportunity.
surely "Un-Veiled" would have been better?
I read "tilting the video" and I was like wut
Wojteł_ i Can tilt the video
Sirius's birthday being on November 3rd is so sad. Imagine him on his 22nd birthday; he's been in Azkaban two days, his best friends were just murdered three days ago, they're probably having or had a funeral which he can't even be at, his other best friend is a traitor and murderer, and he can't go see his last best friend or the child of his other two friends because he's IN AZKABAN being tortured by dementors.
Also that he can't watch his cousin grow up and go to Hogwarts.
Um, his cousins mentioned in the books where Narcissa Malfoy, Bellatrix Lestrange, and Andromeda Tonks. He only liked Andromeda and they probably went to school roughly the same time as each other. Are you thinking about Harry, who is Sirius' godson?
Imogen Howard and don't forget Andromeda's daughter Nymphadora Tonks or just Tonks.
Or were they sisters? Hmm I can't remember.
Wait, Lily and James were only 20-21 when they had Harry?? They would be so young.
I love the mystery of the veil and dislike that movie Bellatrix used the killing curse. It doesn't make sense. Harry fully expected Sirius to jump up from the other side at any moment, calling for him in increasing desperation. If he was hit with the killing curse, the entire thing would've been very clear.
The books rule. You are entirely correct. He was confused as to why Lupin was holding him back, and why Sirius wasn't coming. He had a speech inside his head about Sirius. Also, Luna made me feel better at the end, when she said that Sirius wasn't dead, he just couldn't return from the veil. Then there was the mirror. Maybe the veil blocked wizard-wifi, or he just didn't have it with him. Harry Potter is so intricate! I love it!!!!!!😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
SmartyPants Hermione Sirius didn‘t had the mirror, when he had it Aberforth couldn‘t get it from Mundungus
This is what Harry was thinking.
They used the killing curse to remove the ambiguity of the Veil. The couldn't explain everything around the Veil in the movie, so having Bellatrix use the Killing Curse removes that. Harry calling out to Sirius, begging him to return I think is just a grief thing.
That's why I hate the movies!
Dumbledore called the room with the veil,"the death chamber". That makes one think since the veil is surrounded by seats it was used for executions. I guess the Ministry stopped that practice since being imprisoned by dementors was a punishment worse than death.
This is slowly but steadily becoming one of my favorite channels. I find all of these theories really interesting, but I don't have time to research them my myself. So thanks for saving me the trouble and making my lunches more interesting ;)
+Brickomotion haha thanks! And you are quite welcome!
SuperCarlinBrothers why is it called the towel section
Mega Trump probably because the way the brothers are situated in their videos, the comments section would fall at around crotch AKA towel level.
Kylo Ren watch *insert number* uses of a towel by the supercarlinbrothers. It will explain
Brickomotion o
How many ministry of magic workers had to go through the veil until they figured out it killed you?
that literally made me lol
thanks
Instinctive knowledge so none I guess. As noone from the DA walked through it and somehow knew not to open it or look into it.
At least three. The second went to rescue the first, the third brought a rope.
This reply made me laugh more than the comment :)
oof never thought of that
I FIGURED IT OUT!!!
When Dumbledore is talking to fudge he says “you will find several escaped death eaters contained in the death chamber” the room with the veil in it. When the ministry sentences you to death, just like in fantastic beasts and where to find them, you are escorted to the room and killed. The difference is the method. In Fantastic beasts you are lowered into a pool of what I assume is drought of living death. And just like the thestrals, the voices can only be heard through the veil by someone who has witnessed death, that’s why Luna and Harry are so attracted to it because they have both seen the thestrals too. I have a whole theory on this so if you have any questions let me know
Lpl Setsfall this is the answer for sure. In OOTP, there have been many references of Harry and Luna having connections to witnessing death, while the others around cannot. In the department of Mysteries veil ‘death room’, you can clearly see the arch is placed in a centerpiece like the center of a colosseum, with seating all around it. I’m sure the ministry repurposed this ‘nasty archway’ to be a death room like in fantastic beasts... I love supercarlinbrothers, but their theory is much too stretched, and there is no way the pensieve and the veil could be connected
I would love to hear your theory, as you're really on to something already
But I thought that the death sentence in England was the Dementor's Kiss. Even so, I find this very intresting; what is the gloo thing in the death pool of the american ministry of magic? Was it there since the beggining like the veil or is something made by wizards? How and why the substance shows you happy memories while "eats" you? Hm, many questions...
I think it's both a death sentence chamber (hence the atrium-like structure with seats for spectators) and kind of a lab where death, afterlife and a possible return from it is a matter of research
How does that tell us who created it or where it came from or even how it works? That just tells us it's a known room of death with the veil in it
I always kinda of thought that those three items had something else in common: they are barriers. The Pensieve is the barrier between past and present, the Mirror of Erised is the barrier between wishes and reality, and the Archway (the most obvious) is the barrier between the dead and the living.
Great point! @SuperCarlinBrothers take a look at the comment above.
I'm a little confused when did anyone ever mention that Hogwarts was older that the brothers? I always assumed it was the other way round
And remember, that Godrics Hollow was named after him, after he was getting so famous, but he was BORN there, or not? So that village already existed, and was just renamed
So isn't it possible and more likely, that the brothers were just buried at a village that LATER became Godrics hollow?
yeah i was thinking the same thing, villages getting renamed isnt rare.
I though so too, but seems like we know when they lived. Hogwards war founded 990 and the Peverell brothers lived in 13th century. Although I couldn't verify that in the books since I do not have them.
Elvirr Feen it isnt said in the books.
@@xJonnaax It's said on Pottermore
Makes sense.
when Sirius died a bit of my soul did too
Grant Hemana same here
Grant Hemana same he is my favorite well Luna too
So he was your Horcrux?
+Oregon
Awesome comment...
I feel you fam
the brothers could be much older than Hogwarts If they were born in Godric's Hollow before it was named Godric's Hollow. the original place could have had another name lost to time or it may have been that there were so few residents in the beginning that it had no name to start with.
+Fox Bunny true, but they aren't, they were born in the 1200's and Hogwarts was founded around 900 AD
SuperCarlinBrothers
Ah, I forgot that fact. Im glad you guys are on top of this ;)
Maybe Godric was named after the village?
What about time travel? ...
Because if you are the most shrewd brother, where better to hide your memories than in the past...
+SuperCarlinBrothers, they were born in the 1200's according to the movie. Although I like parts of your theory, you shouldn't overlook the fact that the movies (although fun) often include these kind of details on their own, without input from JK.
I also think that the myth being called "unsubstantiated" by Rowling wouldn't mean it's not true. She often drives home the point that myths are always based on real events. Calling it unsubstantiated just adds to the mystery and causes a lot of (interesting) discussion about it.
It's also worthwhile to see how the Mirror closely resembles the stone: they both show you what a lot of people want most desperately: their deceased loved ones. I rather think the object formed an inspiration to the Peverell brothers, rather than that it was their creation.
2:21 JK Rowling probably just brought up Hogwarts when giving the age of the Ministry to provide some context. This lets us know that the building is less than 1000 years old.
8:26 The Peverell brothers could have been born in Godric's Hollow before the birth of Godric Gryffindor, it just might have been called something else back then
That was my thought about the brothers and Godric’s Hollow
Same. A town's name can be changed
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So they had the race purist stuff a worm down there after they built the school on top of the pebble of life.
Explains many things
Gryffindor and Slytherin both would have been descended of Peverells.
Gryffindor of the Brother with Cloak and Slyntherin of the Brother with Elder wand.
Thereby Potters descended of Gryffindor and Gaunts of Slyntherin.
Also would explain traits of Slyntherin as determination and obsessed with power like the Elder Peverell brother.
Also Descendants of Gryffindor fighting with descendants of Slytherin.
“Beyond the veil” has been a euphemism for death and the afterlife for centuries. Rowling, ultimately, was just turning an ancient idiom into a story prop.
there should make a movie and the origins for the three brothers and those items..
Andros the warrior High Alpha even just a short
There should be a movie on every single detail of the Harry Potter series
the explanation has to be a good one to lose the mystery and not just piss off the fans :P
The Fantastic Beast movies might actually go over that, so let's all hope it happens. Especially since we're gonna be seeing a young(er) Grindelwald and Dumbledore with the Elder Wand.
The veil is such an underdeveloped part of the Harry Potter series. Yes, it is assumed to kill you and is a certain mystery-as it’s in the Department of Mysteries-but no one really knows what its purpose is.
camhasproblems i
Tell me one moment you see it "kill someone". And dont say Sirius - he was killed by Bellatrix's killing curse...
Willow Scammell Not in the books. He just merely fell through due to a stunning spell and then the veil "fluttered like in a high wind and then fell back into place"
Thats why this video was made
Your comment is redundant
Lutece, yeah, he is indeed just felling through it. Some people should really read the books. But i can't blame them either, they changed so much in the movies :-)
I would just like to say that as history progresses you get an interesting phenomenon- multiple names for the same place. Just because he was born in “Goodrich Hollow” doesn’t meant that it was called Godric’s Hollow at the time he was born.
also, it could have been named after Godric before he made Hogwarts he was still a pretty amazing wizard even without creating a school
lol goodrich hollow i bet that was autocorrect
In an ocean of shitty fanservice theories ("Hermione is Harry's sister! Dumbledore is a time-traveling Ron!"), you really deserve a slow clap. This is easily one of the most intelligent theories I've seen in a while. Even if she denies it, it's still great headcanon.
Roger França those are two actual theories?
Marvel Gilbreath Yeah. You'd be surprised at how much bullshit some fans believe.
Lol, those theories sound hilarious! Rofl!!!😂
Drawing with a doodler You called me?
no.
You know what I realized that is kind of cool. Jk Rowling could say literally anything, anything, in an interview about the Harry Potter world and it would automatically become true. Like while she was getting ready for an interview she could literally just say to herself "today I am going to tell everyone that Harry has a secret long lost sibling." And from that moment on, despite anything conflicting with it, it would automatically be fact. Because she created that world that so many have come to love, herself. It's an amazing power and I really respect her.
that's a trope called "word of god", is an interesting topic to bring to the table, but is dangerous path to follow; authors must be very carefull with their words
+Kanna Vz.
Kind of a pun and a conundrum.
"Authors careful with their words."
I don't know, someone who like Tolkien creates this dense of a world - can pretty much say anything.
And it becomes truth.
And the readers just have to make it work, realize there are probably many more things about the Author's world we don't know.. and be glad that if the Author is still alive they can still impact it's truth/reality.
Cause that ability to have possible more unknowns, more story, dies with the Author - fanfiction or no
IMHO
I'm glad you got the pun :D, and yes they can, it's their story, but if there's a huge revelation (a plot relevant one) it can't be said by "wog", because it can be seen as an "ass pull" and the same author can be scrutinized for failing at storytelling, Imho if I were JKR and somehow give a press round saying "yeah, HP has a long lost brother" the fans and critics would destroy my social media; and ain't nobody got time for that :D
Except she didn't write it.
esrapk wtf yes she did. Don't discredit her
There seriously needs to be a tv show about the Harry Potter universe. It would be so good.
For the past several years i have been attempting to piece together the history of the wizarding world. Honestly it really makes no sense. The historical inconsistencies are myriad and seem to permeate literally every instance of the franchise where specific dates or cultural communities are mentioned. This has led me to the conclusion that to have all the answers would destroy the beloved franchise.
@@colterwebb6382 a tv show doesn't mean it gives all answers.... we have no clue about castelobruxo either than a mention in the books for instance. the wizarding world stretches through time and space, there is so much that there will always be questions. Who are the heirs of the founders? etc etc
@@raphmateus honestly the heirs of the founders i not evem the most complicated historical position to be in. You realize the the olivander wand company is older than Aristotle. Ron needs an Agripa chocolate frog card, agripa was octavian Augustus' general. Such connections provide huge historical inconsistencies
@@colterwebb6382 yes it doesn't mean that Ollivander himself is that old. It means that his family discovered the secrets of wand lore thousands years ago. Also... Don't forget that wizards led a parallel life to the muggles and the earth population was very small compared to nowadays, it was easy to live undetected (until the witch Hunt which forced wizards to go underground). Aggripa... Is Cornelius Aggripa from the 15-16th century.
The Muggle counterpart denounced Witch-hunt practices and denied the existence of Wizards. In the Wizarding community they believe he has been imprisoned by Muggles for his writings.
I don't know which real inconsistencies you are mentioning :)
But otherwise, if I could request a full book from JK Rowling, it would have unequivocally be the Biography and adventures of Nicolas Flamel as he has been alive for almost 7 centuries.
He has seen or heard about every single Triwizard tournament. He has been to Beauxbatons. He has discovered the secrets of alchemy, has fought evil most of his later life and belonged to the original Order of the Phoenix! He has also met and saw prominent wizards such as Aggripa you mentioned, be born and die. He is the biggest anchor to knowledge in the Wizarding World !
Siriusly*
“Why mention Hogwarts?” It’s not like it’s the most iconic location in the story and great for references...
DarthAlphaTheGreat exactly
Idkk but i don't think I agree but i have no reason to.
That's a terrible reason to just bring up Hogwarts for no reason in response to a completely unrelated question.
@@thegreatfusili4673 it is a good point of reference
Mecca MacCaden it’s actually a good timing reference as we know hogwarts was founded in the 10th century so anything older is over a thousand years old and anything younger hasn’t reached that age yet
The veil kills you, and we can confirm that by the lego game. If you try to run through it in the game you just die
Vladimir Putin This is the evidence we needed.
The Lego Game is more canon than the books, and we all know it.
What lego game?
cmon SmartyPants Hermoine, the lego game that the books are based on. Lego Harry Potter: Years 1-4
Never heard if it. Why only 1-4?
i always thought the veil was a sort of magical method of capital punishment. Like it was used to execute people in the past, but in the modern era, capital punishment is highly frowned upon and is not used, especially since they have Azkaban.
I do like this theory, though.
Jenni Locke Wow, this brings a big point; but first, have you seen Fantasic Beasts
MrG6051 I have not yet seen it, no. Too busy with work and stuff :0 i'm pretty much 100% spoiled on the general plot, though.
Well, I don't want to ruin the movie with this particular issue of you haven't the movie.
MrG6051 I probably won't see it until it's out on DVD, and I'll still see it even if it's already been spoiled for me. I don't mind spoilers that much tbh.
Ok. Well in the movie, the American ministry sentences the main characters to death and uses this giant pool of a Death Potion. So yes we have proof that the ministries DID once sentence wizards to death
I know they were born in Godrics Hollow but isn't it possible they were born before it was known as that? And therefore before hogwarts was built? Also explaining the ancient runes?
It's not possible coz dates show that Hogwarts was built much before the peverell brothers.
I believe they were born long before godrics hollow was renamed for its most famous son. After all people were born in cities like; Jackson, Lincoln, and Washington, long before they were renamed for America’s famous sons.
I was thinking this exactly.
Peverell brothers: after 1000 AD
Hogwarts: around 900 AD
HOGWARTS IS OLDER THAN THE PEVERELL BROTHERS BOIIII
Makes you wonder what Godrics Hollow was called when Godric was born 😅
I just realized that the department of mysteries in Harry Potter is basically just the SCP foundation. They contain things in a building and study them while also protecting people from things such as the veil. Also, they're literally called the "Department of *Mysteries* ".
It's also forbidden to talk about the stuff as unspeakables are named for that fact
I know this will get lost and idk if you have this in your video, but in the seventh book, while Harry is in Sirius's room he finds a letter from Lily to Sirius. He observes that Harry and his mother both write their g's the same way and each one is like a little wave from BEHIND A VEIL!
OMG
WTF MY MIND IS BLOWN
Woow😲
Allen M Holy shit
How can I verify this statement. B.T.W I am not fun at parties.
It's been a while, so if this is a silly question, forgive me. But...what if only humans can't cross the veil, in real or spirit form? And what if the Dementors themselves came from the veil? They're not human, and look kinda like dark veils themselves. Or maybe the Ministry used some magic FROM the veil to create The Dementors (and then went "Oh crap, we better not mess with this anymore, something worse might come through")? And that's why Harry always froze up around them, like the other three magic objects?
the ministry didn't create dementors. There's this dark wizard that owned Azkaban, hàd hordes of dementors, and when he died, the MoM took it as a prison.
But where did the COME from? They could still be from the Veil, in theory. And I misspoke when I said MoM, I meant the Wizards of old, who were in power.
Yeah but the veil has been there as long as the ministry of magic so if the dementors were created from the veil by some random dark wizard it would have been below the government building and they'd certainly know.
I like your theory though, it would be cool, but it doesn't fit =/
Izumi R. Keyuko
Jaruuuuugamaaa They were here before the Ministry took control of Azkaban, so someone had to create them (or take them) from a veil that was already controlled by the Ministry without anyone of them knowing. Hardly possible, I think.
Wow, I'm loving this theory! Specifically the part about the connection between the veil and the stone. (The pensieve-cloak/mirror-wand parts are a bit more shaky)
Re the thestrals - I think you have it a bit backwards. Mastering them is not mastering death. Dumbledore makes it clear that mastering the FEAR of death is what makes you master death. The thestrals are creatures of the link between life and death, but are actually harmless. The use of their tail hairs would surely give the wand an other-worldly quality, but not actually master death alone, as we see clearly in the story.
Now, I'd like to add something to the theory:
The veil is clearly a portal to the world of the dead, one you can hear into once you've yourself established that connection within yourself (another symtom of which is seeing the thestrals). What if we assume that the portal existed before? There are actual legends of portals to Heaven and Hell in the living world, located in specific and known places. What if it was Cadmus (or all the brothers) who had *discovered* it and decided to mark it by the use of the veil so that one would not just get "sucked in"? It would make all the sense in the world to build the Department of Mysteries around it, and then all the other departments over, to hide it, once the location had been clearly marked.
Now here's the biggie: What if that was what actually PROMPTED the 3 brothers to create the hallows in the first place? Perhaps it made them understand the connection between life and death, and made them use their own abilities to fight death? To Antioch's understanding, he would distance himself from death by becoming invincible, so he created an all powerful wand. To Cadmus, the way to defeat death would be by allowing people to return, so he created the stone as a return pathway through the veil (I'd assume he was most intrigued by the veil, and the others didn't set much to store by that particular point. Perhaps it was his pride - he challenged Death at its own doorway). Ignotus, however, understood the power of life and death were beyond his control (a very religious concept) and so he distanced himself from death by HIDING from danger until such time as he felt that he was no longer afraid. This works with the lyrical theme of the Tale of the Three Brothers as their respective qualities are outlined.
Please look into this idea, I think this could make a great followup video!!
manz wrote a whole essay
Don’t forget that Neville can also see the thestrals and hear people speaking behind the veil. In the movie it’s just Harry and Luna that see and hear but in the book we can see that it’s Harry, Neville and Luna. But other wise I like this theory.
I have a theory. After watching Fantastic Beasts (SPOILER ALERT!!!!) We know that when Newt and Tina were death sentenced they were going to be drowned in a weird pool thing, which looks oddly like the veil. We find out that when someone touches the pool they die. What if the veil was used for death sentences like in Fantastic Beasts? It would kinda be like an execution room. So I think when Bella hit Sirius with the curse he died not because she used "Avada Kedavra" but because he fell into the veil, which kills people.
TheSillySquirrel apparently that pool is acid not a veil thing
Also we don't see Sirius get burned up like the chair did
it's like an acid pensieve
+Theminingmonkey But this "Swooping Evil"-thing touched the pool, causing the memories and stuff to get darker. I think, this also caused the chair to burn... They wouldn't use a new chair for every single death sentence, would they? Therefore this pool could still be a sort of veil... maybe
also, in the times of the knights witches were drawer or burned
I have a question, what if you throw a horcrux into the veil?
Raesyad Adhiatma Wiwanto yaaaaaas why is harry so dumb
... Argh, my comment disappeared, but it would die as a human would.
Raesyad Adhiatma Wiwanto what if you throw the STONE into the Veil!?!? What!?!?
That is what fanfiction is for, but it's an interesting question:)
It should not work on a technicality. What the series fails to explain is that in order to kill a horcrux, you need to meet two requirements. It needs to be a simultaneous physical and magical destruction. The magical element of said method must be destructive enough like cursed fire & basilisk venom to kill the Horcrux part, and the physical side of the method must be destructive to the physical body. Harry had to stab the sword into the locket and pierce it despite the fact that it was already impregnated with venom. If the sword's flat side was caressed or slightly tapped onto the locket's face, it still wouldn't die.
Assuming that the veil claims the soul, throwing a diadem through an archway wouldn't actually destroy it right? Sirius body floated out of view when he entered the veil so I don't think the physical body would perish hence not meeting the physical requirement. I would assume that the horcrux will just exist on the unknown side of the veil.
This is my second favorite theory I've heard from you guys. The first being that jacob is a decendant of Helga Hufflepuff. As a Hufflepuff myself I have to admit I am a bit biased though. That being said, I had a few ideas to consider. Like what if the veil was the predecessor of the invisibility cloak(since passing through it, whether it kills you or not, makes your body disappear) the pensieve was the predecessor of the ressurection stone(because the pensieve allows you to see people you've lost but never interact with them but with the resurrection stone you could interact with them again) and that maybe the mirror of erised showed them how to make the hollows? We don't know the full extent of the power of the mirror so maybe if your heart's true desire is to know how to do or make something then maybe it can teach you?
Also Godric's hollow was named after Godric gryffindor but people used to live there before him so the peverells could still have lived there
Yeah, the argument is sort of like saying that anyone born in Victoria, Australia pre-1810's because queen Victoria was born in 1819.
Which based off the sheer amount of aboriginal tribes in that state alone we know that people definitely lived in that state _before_ Queen Victoria was born
Glad the mystery is finally unveiled.
Johan van Essen hahahahahaha!
I respect you
Luka Cule
dasa goo one
lol u just made my day!
Maybe the dementors are so attracted to harry coz he has two souls as he's a horcrux and he passes out coz he's reliving both his and voldemort's worst memories
Crafting in a Corner with a Bookshelf as he is the 6th horcrux (nagini is the 7th) harry will have 0.015625 of a soul more to be exact
Unless Riddle had the for thought not to just cut his soul in half each time, and figured out how to cut a smaller portion from it for each one.
Harry is the Eighth Horcrux Voldemort only meant to create seven
RainbowWarrior Voldemort wanted to create seven because seven is a magical number
Harry is the 7th soul split, but there are 8 pieces of Voldemort's soul, including the.one he has inside of him.
2 Yeasrs late i know, but isnt it stated that Cadmus Peverell
comitted suicide? Couldnt it be just him trying the Veil himself not knowing what it really did?
Lukáš Richtárik I had the exact same thought!
I actually don't think so. Because I don't think, that his was an accident. I think he committed suicide and was fully aware of that, which doesn't mean didn't go through the veil. And that would be a way more wizardy way to commit suicide than hanging yourself. But I think it might be possible, that he found out that the veil, his own creation, was only a one way ticket to the realm of the daed by sending his love through it and therefore unknowingly sending her into her death. Of course I as the creator would rather take the risk myself than sending my love through it and risking losing her. And yet I as his love would want the exact same thing only the other way around for the exact same reason. So I would try to convince him to let me go through it instead of going himself. I might argue, that he who created the veil knows it far beeter than me (his love), so that in case that something would go wrong he would more likely be able to help me than the other way round. She might even threatened to kill herself in case he died during the experiment. And he blinded by his confidence boosted by her trust might be convinced by that. And he might anyway refuse to believe, that the veil, probably his whole life's work, is nothing more than a wizardy way to commit suicide (or a way to murder someone without leaving a body that cannot be detected by priori incantatem, because you only have to push your victim through it.) And after he realized what he had done he desperately tried, driven by his guilt and the loss of his love, to create a way to bring back the dead, (which I think wasn't his original idea for the veil. I think he might have only wanted to create some tool to explore and learn something about the realm of the daed or to communicate with or visit the dead.) And after successfully creating the stone he felt a natural high unlike anything he felt before. After years and years of work he finally had brought back his love, undid his guilt. He could be with her forever. But then, when he realized that she wasn't happy, that she was cold and seamed not to belong in this world, that he could not bring back the dead, that all these years and years of work to save her had been absolutely pointless, that his arrogance and foolishness had unchangeably killed his love, that HE had killed her and nothing in this world could change that, he fell in the deepest depression he had ever felt before. He lost the last spark of hope he had and decided to do the only he now believed could truly reunite them. He followed her through the veil.
Oh my God, that thing started being a simple speculation and ended up being a story..
Sorry for that.. ^^
Interesting theory! My thought was that his love died before he created the veil and that would be the reason why he's so obsessed with bringing back the dead. He created the veil as a portal to give her a way to come back, but she never did, and perhaps he could hear her whisper on the other side, leading him to the conclusion that even though she was there, she couldn't cross the veil, meaning it was a one-way through. He desperately tried to find another way (the stone and maybe others?) but never succeeded and in the end, decided to join her and cross the veil.
Also, according to another theory on this channel, the stone would only try to bring you to your own death, so if he summoned her that way, maybe she convinced him to join her in death.
I think he found he could see her but not be with her unless he went through so he knowingly killed himself chooseing to join her in death over living
Don't forget Neville was "intrigued" by the veil he can see Thestrals also
That was Luna Lovegood
I feel like the veil was actually created by death as a way to take the dead to the other side and the veil is like a door and the resurrection stone is like a key for the veil (door) for mortals to use
Cody Boothe Yes! Yes! Yes! BEN THIS IS THE TRU ANSWER
DimicProducts I wouldn't exactly say this is the true answer just my guess
Yes, I thought the same thing, and then I read this comment and realized someone else thought it before I did. :P
And what actually gets me curious, is the fact that the ministry of magic has a room for prophecies right above the veil. Why is there a door leading to the veil? And why does the door lead all the way down, instead of opening up to a normal floor, or steps or something like that?
I guess the ministry of magic uses the prophecies to figure out what some of the biggest criminal wizards and witches are gonna do, and maybe use those prophecies to track down the criminals. Once the criminals are caught, if they are dangerous, maybe they are just thrown right down that door, from where they land right beside the veil, die due to falling from such a great height, and their soul gets trapped in there. So, this brings up another question. Is the ministry of magic using the veil as a prison for criminal's souls? Is their plan to trap the criminal's souls for eternity? And since everyone knew about the deathly hallows, was the ministry ever planning on obtaining the resurrection stone to come in contact with the souls they had trapped in the veil in order to obtain more information? I don't know, it's possibly that the system of veil came up in order to prevent loss of intel in case a criminal spends his/her life in jail (one of them being Azkaban), and die. This is actually a really dark to be honest.
mrknockknock1 WOA LONG SPEACH BRUH XD
jimmie hicks no that was metiined in the fifth movie i believe
hey I have a theary, is it possible that voldimort failed to be able to use the three relics not because he hasnt disarmed or killed the previous owners, but becaues he refuses to accept death.
when he tries to use the stone it rejects him by hiding in a place he couldn't reach, the mirror. voldimort's deepest desire was to not die, and since he can't die he could never see the stone.
the wand the grants your deepest desire, when he tries to use it, it starts to crack because like before his deepest desire at that point is to rule everything but he shut himself away from death meaning he can't rule it so the wand starts to break.
finally the cloak that hides the user from death the only relic that voldimort would actually want exept that he doesn't think to obtain it because it goes against his purpose. in death you are know but not seen, when alive you are seen not known. voldimort wants the best of both to be seen and known, in attempting to break the requirments the cloak hides it's self with the one person who can keep it hidden Dumbledore.
Harry thow has accepted death into his life, why the stone shows its self to him. why the cloak ends up in his hands and why the wand falls to him. he accepted death into his life for so long that the relics see him as another person suitable for there proper use.
For the stone part, are you talking about the Philosopher's/Sorcerer's Stone? If so, you'll have to rework that portion pretty heavily.
The Resurrection Stone is _not_ the Philosopher's Stone.
"I built a portal but none of us can go in or they'll die. Also nobody can go through the other way" Thats just a magical meatgrinder, isnt it?
My mum passed away a couple of years ago. I was devastated and of course I still miss her a lot. Whenever I’ve thought of her as being dead, particularly in the months after her death, The Veil has always come to mind. It’s just that feeling that she’s right there, just out of reach, and there should be some way of getting in touch with her.
I suppose the fact that I live in the house that we shared and that I see objects belonging to her and photos of her every day makes that connection particularly strong. Also, the graveyard where my mum is buried is less than a mile from where I live.
At the same time I’d sort of know, logically, that there’s no way I can reach her now. Although I was raised Catholic, I’m not at all religious now and I don’t really believe that there is an afterlife, although I’m not so sure about that now. I guess the idea of her being in Heaven or some form of afterlife doesn’t give me any comfort because it’s more the day to day things that I miss about my mother.
I’d be interested to know if anyone else who has lost someone can relate to this.
What is the point of reducing your mother's fate to how it affects you. I know you don't see it like that but it's unbelievably selfish. Think of it as
"Why do I care if I donate to an orphan in Africa. Yeah they're well fed and happy but I don't see it so it doesn't benefit me".
You're going to die one day too. Death is guaranteed, but heaven isn't. If anything, you should be more hopeful you will reunite with her one day
When I first read deathly hallows and I heard the description for the spirits conjured by the resurrection stone, My first thought was the veil was related to the stone not as a precursor but as a complimentary piece. It can only be entered from this side but what happens if the dead are already here? The dead can't die. So would a spirit conjured by the stone be able to walk through the veil and pass through on the other(physical) side and thus no longer be separated by the veil(dead). After all if the veil is a physical representation of the border between the world's What happens if a spirit were to walk through it. We know that the stone keeps them here(even against their own will) until the summoner dies so the veil can't keep them. So if a spirit crosses the physical barrier and come through the veil completely does the veil no longer cover them?
moneytalks1219 Wow, that's a good theory! Never thought about that.
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That is an interesting theory. Maybe the veil is a passage way for ghosts/zombies who can't or refuse to cross over. Probably a good reason to build a ministry around it.
Or, perhaps the stone IS the key to walking through the veil... i mean, what are the odds of someone possessing the resurrection stone AND having the opportunity to cross through the veil? But regardless, i think you are right about the stone and the veil somehow being not precursors to each other but rather complimentary pieces that, when used together, might do things the wizarding world believed to be impossible.
I like the idea! with the stone you can pass to the other side and come back...?
OMG WHAT IF THE CLOAK WAS WOVEN WITH THESTRAL HAIR
Bluejãy nope demiguise
It's not demiguise because in Deathly Hallows we find out that there are other invisibility cloaks out there, that are indeed made from demiguise hair. But they tend to wear out and stop working a lot of the time, they also are not protected against revealing charms the way Harry's (Ignotuses) is. So it very well could be thestral hair. BUT it leaves a sort of plot hole, if people who have seen death can see thestrals, why can't those same people see through the cloak?
It is thestral hair
Wouldn't that only make you invisible to some people? The people that have seen death would see a person walking around with a black cloth covering them (that gives me an amusing image in my mind of Harry walking around thinking he is invisible when he isn't). Also, since Herry has seen death how would he be able to see through it? Maybe thestrals were the inspiration and that by studying them Ignotus was able to figure out how to make things invisible to all people. I can see him using the thestral hair as the origin of the cloak and doing some additional magic to make the invisibility apply to all people. There is also the possibility that it changes properties when removed from the animal.
Couldn't Dumbledore see him? It would make a lot of sense, but someone would have to check every instance of Harry using the cloak for people who most likely saw someone die.
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We know that Rowling loves threes and English mythology, so I think not only are the Deathly Hallows related to the Pensieve, the Veil, and the Mirror, but they're also related to Arthurian legend.
The Mirror/Elder Wand represents Caliburn, Arthur's enchanted sword which can be wielded only by the one who is most worthy -- and which was returned to the Lady of the Lake, who lives below what amounts to a giant mirror. The Pensieve/Cloak represents the Holy Grail, with its protective power and literally resembling a goblet filled with enchanted liquid. And the Veil/Resurrection Stone represents the Siege Perilous, the seat at Camelot's round table reserved solely for the blemishless knight who would one day retrieve the Holy Grail, and which will bring death to anyone else who sits in it.
Neat but tortured comparisons. I'm pretty sure the sword of Gryffendor would be the better comparison to Excalibur. And really, looking for Arthurian legend for inspiration seems a little suspect since the series of Merlin related profanities would suggest Authur might be part of Magical history for them, not just legend.
From a Jungian perspective, "King Arthur" is an archetypal figure which may have applied to several different historic periods and rulers ranging from the Bronze Age to the Medieval Period. This means that within the Harry Potter narrative the real Arthur/Merlin might be quite separate from the legend. It likewise means Rowling may be making the connections unconsciously, adapting the Arthurian narrative into her own.
I don't think the deathly hallows (at least not all of them) are based on the arthurian legend's part, but there is definitely connections between harry potter and these legends. Like the way harry finds the sword in the sorting hat because he is a true gryffindor is a perfect mirror to the way Arthur is the only one to be able to take the Excalibur out of the rock because he's the only one worthy of it, although both of them are kids not expected to be heroes at the time.
But your comparison of the veil and the stone with the siege perilous is a really good interpretation, I never thought about that but it's truly possible! And don't forget that Arthur is lead by the lady of the lake, and he's the only one that can see her. Like Harry is the only one who was able to see Sirius, Remus and his parents that lead him until the end.
Although I'm wondering this: in the legend, Arthur is not the one finding the holy grail, but he's the one launching the quest. He accompanied by Merlin like Harry is accompanied by Dumbledore, and the one that finds the Grail, Percival, is a knight that Arthur helped by keeping him in his circle of "knights of the round table"... can this apply to someone like Neville who was trained in the DA by Harry, and who is the one that destroyed the last horcruxe by killing Nagini, making victory possible? Or can this apply to another member of the DA?
@@naloriel9 Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore. Does the name help with understanding the thinking is correct? Albus got his second name from his father, Percival Dumbledore, so the name runs in the family. Also, Helga Hufflepuff's cup is grail like. And it's said that Hufflepuffs are good at finding things :)
@@NoJusticeNoPeace In that case maybe she is using the legend of Sigurd/Siegfried of the Volsung Saga or Nibelungenlied which has even more similarities. Odin (whom one of his realms is death) plunges the sword Balmung/Gram/Nothung into a tree, proclaiming that whoever receives it will find no sword better. Sigurd pulls the stone from the tree... Later on he slays the dragon Fafnir, bathing in the blood and himself becoming invulnerable (bar a small spot where a leaf was stuck to his body). Of course he also has a special cloak that renders him invisible. Siegfried also is later then murdered in a dishonorable method and his sword is stolen.
Don't have a specific spot for the resurrection stone to this... Also Siegfried died before his wife (and it was she who eventually avenged his death), but still...
Volsung Saga and the Arthurian Legends have a large amount of crossover/similarities to them.
PS to the original person. Caliburn/Excalibur/Caledfwlch/Caliburnus was gifted to Arthur by the Lady in the Lake after the sword he pulled from the stone was broken while fighting King Pellinore.
What if Sirius' full name was, Sirius Lee Black
You sir, have my vote for president.
Tiger lover best fan theory I've ever read. Completely fool proof. Undeniable evidence.
Tiger lover
Probably not, because that would require Orion and Walburga Black to have a sense of humor.
lmfao
Siriusly? 😑😂
The red curse Bellatrix hit Sirius with was most likely a Stunning Spell.
Yea more than likely though I dont understand why Bellatrix didn't kill him.. not that I hate Sirius or anything just wondering. Any thoughts?
Maybe she wanted to keep him alive to deliver him to Voldemort so he chould blackmail Harry? XD Everyone knew that he had soft spot for Sirius...
IDk just a thought
Mushroommy A Snuff
+Zutaca I agree with both of you good theorys
No, it could't have been. Because if I recall correctly, Mrs. Weasley hit Bellatrix with the same spell in the last book, and it killed Bellatrix. So it was a curse that could kill, though it wasn't Avada Kedavra.
Gabriel Blacklock
it turned her to stone and the stone shattered
Thestrels aren't just related... They are theorized to be what Deathly hallows are birthed from:
The Thestrel IS seemingly DEATH in the story.
The Elder Wand is fueled by the hair of the Thestrel. Fueled by death and powerful. It is also the only wand of it's kind.
The Resurrection Stone is created from the Thestrel's Heart. Born from death yet bringing life.
The Invisibility Cloak is the hide of the Thestrel, the creature is unseen just like the cloak.
I used the word 'Theorized' :P
Nexius Reign dumbledore is death
He represents death in the re-iteration of it but he isn't the original death.
but if the cloak is the hide of the thestrel wouldnt harry be able to see it if soneone else wore it?
or am i just missing something?
Curtis Little There's only 1 invisibility cloak made by Death. At least from what I know.
“Today is Sirius’ birthday today, so *naturally* we are going to be talking about what killed him.”
'IS THE MINISTRY OF MAGIC A DICTATORSHIP?'.
Guys, can you do a video on this question...........?
“Dumbledore was offered the job multiple times, Fudge was sacked / forced to resign and then replaced by Scrimgeour and Kingsley was appointed acting Minister. That implies that it’s not a democracy, so who chooses the Minister and how?”
SPREAD THE WORD
When I read the books, I imagined that it worked like a shadow government, using the 'muggle' government as a template to work from. I imagined there being some kind of magic parliament, with the majority bloc of said parliament appointing members of the executive branch from its ranks- including, I imagined, the MM. That's basically how it works in the 'muggle' or real world UK gov't, and would explain the whole 'appointing' business.
It would probably be the Wizengamot that votes to appoint the Minister and they all voted for Dumbledore at multiple points but he said no.
Omer Farooq I think it's fascist because think about it. The Ministry of Magic technically controls the muggle world too because they ERASE the memories of muggles who have "no right to see magic" like we're some objects and the muggle government has no say in it! They even have laws regarding muggles and basically the muggle government is a puppet for the Ministry of Magic since the Minister of Magic sometimes speaks to the Prime Minister and sometimes plants his own kind within the muggle government. I'm surprised that the Prime Minister, muggle-borns, and muggles related to wizards aren't disturbed by the fact that the MoM ERASES THE MEMORIES OF THEIR OWN KIND! They might say that they care about muggles but if they really did then they wouldn't erase their memories and because WHAT RIGHT DO THEY HAVE and there would be no need to segregate themselves from muggles and keep themselves a secret if they can't help that a muggle sees magic once a year!
And then there's Cornelius who only cares about power and takes away freedom of speech and creates lies about Harry and Dumbledore so he can have more power and is personally controlling the school and doesn't care if Umbridge tortures kids as long as no one knows he can get away with it and didn't give Harry or anyone he's put to trial veritserum to prove their innocence or guilt. THEY DON'T NEED EVIDENCE OR WITTINESSES IF THEY HAVE A POTION THAT CAN FORCE PEOPLE TO TELL THE TRUTH! Which means he wants the people he hates in Azkaban even though they're innocent and the people he likes or can give him more power with him even though they're guilty. I'm surprised he didn't order someone to obliviate Harry's memory so he wouldn't remember what happened in the graveyard or try to put an imperious curse on him even though Harry is pretty much immune to the imperious curse but they would try right? #theministryofmagicisfascist 😧
+NinjaKED12 There was a muggle vs. wizard war, and places like hogwarts exist to protect the wizarding world. Muggles won.
Great video very explanatory.
I recently watched Toy Story 2 and I was wondering.....WHY don't the
Woody collectables in Al's office come alive like the other toys? Would
you do a video on this next? Thanks!
well they made a vid on how the toys can only work if they interact with people and in this case they just sit around
Stinky Pete never interacted with people and he still came to life
Taylor Bissett uhh yea he is right watch that
Spodermonkey What about the Buzz Lightyear that comes to life in Al's Toy Barn?
This question kept me from sleeping. But I think they don't come to life because they're not the full toys. Just accessories. I mean you never see woodys hat come to life. :)
Ben: Today is Sirius Black's Birthday!!!
Me: AWE YAY!
Ben: Let's talk about his death!!!
Me: awe no
Ignotes Peverel: “this invisibility cloak is the most powerful in the world. Even death can be thwarted by it!”
Moody: “haha, googly eye go brrrrrrr”
Why didn't death just use the mauraders map?
@@rammingspeed5217 that’s only in hogwarts
JKR: It's the divide between life and death. I tried to do a nod to that in the Tale of Three Brothers - she was separate from them as though through a veil. You can't go back if you pass through that veil, you cannot come back. Or you can't come back in any form that will make either person happy anyway.
But when they surround that veil [in Order of the Phoenix], I was trying to show that depending on their degree of skepticism or belief about what lay beyond - because Luna, of course, is a very spiritual character. Luna believes firmly in an afterlife. She's very clear on that. And she feels them speaking or hears them speaking much more clearly than Harry does. This is the idea of faith. Harry thinks he can hear them; he's drawn on. But Harry's had a life that has been so imbued with death that he now has an uncharacteristically strong curiosity about the afterlife, especially for a boy of 15, as he is in Phoenix. Ron's just scared, as I think Ron would be - he just knows this is something he doesn't want to dabble with. Hermione, hyper-rational Hermione - 'can't hear anything, get away from the Veil.' So if you walk through the veil, you're dead.You're dead. What you find on the other side, well, that's the question.
Lucas Freitas your theory is cool, but there is a flaw. no matter how rational hermione is, in the Harry Potter books its very clear that the after life exists. Ghosts. Harry's parents appearing in important moments. So faith cant be the reason, cause everyone in the Magical World knows that the afterlife exists
carmen uljanicka however as Nick says in OOTP only those who are scared of death will become ghosts. I believe that only those who well and truly cannot comprehend the idea of dying and no longer existing can become ghosts; those in the Order of the Pheonix "know the risks" (as Molly says in OOTP) which means they understand the possibility of dying and no longer existing; they had already come to terms with death and accepted it would inevitably happen at some point. Harry's parents, Sirius, Severus, Lupin, Tonks, Mad-Eye, Fred and many more were in the Order, so this holds true.
The idea of the afterlife is more of the experience Harry faces in The Deathly Hallows when he meets Dumbledore in "Kings Cross Station". We know it's not the station, but perhaps the afterlife is only the misconception of living beyond death and merely a persons brain being alive, rather than a whole and synonymous body, like Nick, The Baron, Helena, etc.
So does this mean that Voldemort would have become a ghost since his greatest fear is dying? It's a bit hard to imagine, Voldy being a ghost haha..
Pam Chen
He would become a ghost if he never split his soul with horcruxes.
Hannah Bassett oh yea! No soul left
Give it a few hundred years... Harry potter will transcend the limits of fiction and become a myth..
harshada samant that'll probably happen. That's weird.
harshada samant I doubt it. It's not like that happens to every fictional character, some maybe but not all. Homer is not a legend, he is just a character. Also people told stories more than read them back in the day so there aren't books expressly showing that a story is fiction.
chevon1920 but Zeus ,troy ,Odysseus and all geek gods r myth n legends n that what homer stories r base on his story
NO
What if the Peverell brothers are older than hogwarts and it just wasn’t called “Godric’s Hollow” when they lived there
They are not. According to what we know Hogwarts was founded in 990 AD. The brothers lived in the 1200s
WOAH.... You must have put a hella lot of thought into this...😮😮😮.. this definitely deserves a million likes
can we just sit and appreciate JK ROWLING. we study the wizarding world like we study world history. she literally created another world, so detailed, that when she writes/talks about it, it's similar to how a historian would write/talk about a real existing place with a rich intricate past. and all this came from ONE woman. god, she is amazing.
MangsyBoBangsy i still love the theory that she is rita skeeter exposing the magical world.
MangsyBoBangsy your right about saying God because that's her level
She is absolutely brilliant in every way, also because now there is a type of history I'm interested in and good at!
I securely wish that she continues expanding this amazing world she created and writes many more stories in it. More spin offs like Fantastic beasts would be amazing. XD
Reading this comment in 2023 and ho-boi this aged like milk-.
According to the Twitter cesspool anyway.
@Red oof💀 I forgot about this comment. Aged like milk alright.
His logic is all based on a single incorrect guess: That the reason why J.K. Rowling mentioned Hogwarts in the 2005 interview is apparently "random".
It's not. She mentioned it simply because Hogwarts is insanely old (1200 years), and she's just saying that though the ministry of magic isn't quite that old.
Though I do like the idea that the second brother, Cadmus, built the veil. Sounds like as good an origin story as any.
However, I thought the three brothers met Death who gave them each one present, which is the Deathly Hallows?
In the actual Beetle the Bard story the three brothers do meet Death but in actuality (and Dumbledore's guess) they were just extremely talented wizards who created the Hallows themselves.
well I believe that Cadmus created the stone after study the Veil. If he was that gifted wizard he could done this after years.
Also, "The veil has been there as long as the ministry has been there" doesn't necessarily mean it has been there LONGER. Probably not, or else she would have said it has been there longer, not as long. The statement would still make perfect sense if they built it at the same time as they built the ministry itself.
Following the theory that it is an execution method, this also fits.
Vousie V At first I thought that too. But if you think about how many parts of this theory make perfect sense, and then look at how many other times JK Rowling has created complicated but perfect hidden theories, it's quite possible that her mention of Hogwarts wasn't simply a comparison of age.
The "Godric's Hollow" flaw can be explained in a much simpler way: Godric's Hollow was renamed in honor of Godric Gryffindor, and the pervell brothers lived their prior.
if you use the egyptian and greco concept of a river, crossing or travelling on a river was the passage to the afterlife. So from your vid i assume the analogy of a bridge could easily be a portal to the afterlife (death)
Ben your 14 minutes late! I've been waiting all day for a video!
Lyra Woofheart It's only eleven where I live.
For me it's 12:17 right now.
Shame on you. lol
Same! SCB is my favorite part about Tuesdays and Thursdays.
Lyra Woofheart it's only 11:30 for me
On page 259 of HP and the Deathly Hallows, Hermione explains how Godrics hollow was named _after_ him (Godric), out of honour and respect, but I guess when the Peverells had lived there, it was known as something else.
or the town could have been renamed later...
jamcdonald120 FINALLY! I was looking for someone with common sense here
9:13 Well, I guess it's a good thing Hermione took Ancient Runes, then. LOL.
I wonder if maybe they didn't create the 'pre-deathly hallows' but instead found them and were inspired. (This is assuming they went to Hogwarts) Antioch could have seen the mirror while at Hogwarts and, like many others, became obsessed with getting what he saw in the mirror. Cadmus could have stumbled upon the veil by accident and decided to try and find a way to allow him to bring someone from the other side of the veil back. And Ignotus could have seen the pensieve while at Hogwarts and, like you said, became inspired to make someone invisible in the present.
It seems more reasonable to me!
Hallie Ramos Hogwarts was founded after these brothers died...it wasn't there in their time..
@karishma rao No, Hogwarts was founded before them because one of them lived in Godric's Hollow, named after Godric Gryffindor, one of the founders of Hogwarts.
+Will Geers it wasn't necessarily called Godric's Hollow in his time, the location has definitely existed longer than the name
This is exactly what I was thinking and I feel like it would make more sense.
Could it have been possible, that Ignotus lived in Godrics Hollow before it was named Godrics Hollow? I mean the place may have existed before Godric Griffindor...
I'm pretty sure she mentioned Hogwarts to give us a sense of scale.
I've wondered if you could get a ghost to pass through the veil, what would happen?
Since wizards that die have the choice of staying in the world of the living as a ghost or of "passing on", I think that the veil would make a ghost "pass on" by going through it
Could I just remind everyone that time travel is a real thing in Harry Potter?
Levshu Whovian I was just thinking that! like maybe the youngest brother used a time turner and traveled back in time after he created the pensive
Levshu Whovian you can't really change the future in Harry Potter. Everything has already happened.
Domthe Zom scorpius and albus managed to change the future in a major way
Domthe Zom Yes, but you can go back in time to make sure something happens. Say, one could go back in time to leave the pensive on the spot that Hogwarts would one day be built. Much like Harry summoned his Potronous to insure he and Serious survive the Dementors.
I like this because it actually does cover that "hole" and gives both theories a more solid ground. Even you said it yourself Levshu, it is a self fulfilling prophecy essentially that brings Harry back to save him and Sirius.
I think you're right, but I don't think you're going far enough. If the youngest really desired to reach the past again, he would have done more than just make a cloak to invoke invisibility. I believe that he may have made the time turner, as well. A device made purely to reach the past.
Except according to this theory, he didn't really want to reach the past, the Pensieve was simply something used to look at the past more clearly, he realized what an advantage being invisible was, and made the invisibility cloak, at no point (according to this theory) was time travel involved or his desire)
Time turner + invisibility cloak = Pensive that can influence the past
Unless Time-Turners already existed and he wanted to be able to see the past without going there. Get around the weakness that is meeting yourself in the past.
wasnt it the fifth book, when they were at the ministry?
Chris Gomez
Yes
The pendieve holds memorys- the veil turns Sirius into a memory
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*Important Question:* Where was the Mirror of Erised discovered?
Yo momma discovered it
Why didn't he die before making the Resurrection Stone, though? Who did he use to test the Veil if it wasn't himself?
He may have had other ways of finding out the veil's nature without sacrificing a human.
Morgan Stiefvater this is just something that I thought of and I'm probably completely wrong but oh well. As we know it wasn't him who tested the veil like you said what if it was his fiance?? What if she tried to test it, died and then the brother makes the stone to bring her back from feeling like it was his fault for creating the portal???? In both the book and movie when talking about his fiance it says that he was trying to bring her back to life after "her untimely death." Concidence?? I think not!! (As nothing in the Wizarding world is concidental.)
+Kaylie Richmond omg even more tragic!
I like that idea! Sort of. I mean, it's super sad, but it makes sense! It would certainly spur him to make a reverse object.
Kaylie Richmond That's a very sad theory but it seems like it could be true. What do you think of mine./\
Doesn't it make more sense if the Resurrection Stone was built first and Cadmus grew frustrated with the incomplete passage of his wife via the stone? Then, when he created the Veil portal, he went through it before realizing that he hadn't created a stable way back and the world interpreted that as his "suicide"?
Pensieve/Invisibility Cloak is cool though. And then the Mirror and the Wand lovely...but again, I wonder if it makes more sense in the other direction. The Mirror could have corrupted the other two brothers...or even been the real way in which they "met Death" as described in the story. Dumbledore goes on and on about the amount of people who have died because of the Mirror and "wasted away in front of it" but instead the Three Brothers use it as inspiration and "build a bridge" between themselves and the images they see in the Mirror.
Death's Trick is that their inventions were imperfect at replicating the Mirror and led to their demise in any case, just in more spectacular form than its usual victims. In some ways, this even makes Harry an arguable victim of the Mirror, as he dies in a fair approximation of the image he saw within it -- surrounded by his vanished family members. He implies it's the only way he would have the strength.
Thus finally justifying why the third book needed those items to make up the Deathly Hallows. Harry's full possession of all three at the time, his mastery of them, allowed him to reverse the tricks played on the Peverells -- to use the rules of the Elder Wand to short-circuit the killing curse fired at him by Voldemort and to use some combination of the Invisibility Cloak hiding him and the Resurrection Stone's power to provide him with a guide to explain the rules of Death Antechamber in order to return properly to the land of the living. The Mirror was part of Harry's first death, but the united tricks of the Peverell brothers allow him and them to finally defeat the Mirror of Death.
Going off on my own theory, if we accept that the Mirror is not neutral but actively hostile, I like the idea of the "men who wasted away in front of it" as the origin of Dementors who continue to suck that same life out of others...perhaps in the hopes of acquiring new dreams or being able to see it again at least one last time.
Which means Harry, a victim of the Mirror who only narrowly survived becoming such a wasted figure, would naturally instinctively fear Dementors over everything else, even the man who killed his parents and tried repeatedly to kill him, by unconsciously recognizing him as his near fate.
And when is the only time that someone looking in the Mirror survives just fine? Harry with the Philosopher's Stone, bestowing immortality. Where better to hide it than in the true portal to death?
Incidentally: If Ariana made Dumbledore's socks before she died, Dumbledore's answer to what he saw in the mirror could be some version of the truth. Especially with the symbolism that socks later take on starting in the second book. And it would certainly be both Dumbeldore's chief association with Death, as incarnated in the Mirror, and what leads to his eventual death via the curse on the Gaunt Ring/Resurrection Stone since his desire to see Ariana again is EXACTLY what gets him killed. The Mirror always has its revenge.
Katy Mulvaney WOW I am impressed. But I think the sock thing is a bit far. I think Dumbledore was just lying. Some things are too personal and painful to share with the eleven year old boy you're raising for slaughter.
I do really like the idea of the mirror as actively hostile, though. So do you think that Death created the mirror and the brothers made the hallows in response? Or one of them made the mirror as well, without realizing what a mistake it would be?
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Ok, this is just spit-balling, but maybe the timeline and the creation of the Pensieve are not entirely unrelated. Maybe the true power of the Pensieve was not to just look into the past. What if Ignacious wanted to... change the past. (Pause for dramatic effect)
So being invisible is an amazing ability, but in comparison to the lofty goals of the other two brothers, it seems a bit shallow. The elder wand was created to conquer reality. The Sorcerer's Stone was created to conquer death. What if the invisibility cloak was created to conquer time.
So here is how my theory holds water. The invisibility makes people in the present unable to see you, the Pensieve makes people in the past unable to see you. If you wear the invisibility cloak inside the past, would a double negative effect work to allow a person to react with the past an effectively travel through time?
Ignacious could have been born in Godric's Hallow, travel through time to the past using the Pensieve but in doing so take the Pensieve with him. He would have known where Hogwarts was to have been built so he would move the Pensieve there and await the coming of the legendary founders. Perhaps that was his goal, to meet the founders themselves. But as he doesn't appear in the legend of the founding of Hogwarts, maybe he went too far. As the Pensieve doesn't allow one to travel forward in time he would have nothing to do but wait but maybe he couldn't wait long enough before he died, leaving the Pensieve behind to later be found.
This would also explain how he hid from death. In his original timeline, Ignacious would have disappeared completely, effectively cheating death. Any who knew that he had the cloak would think he was just hiding in plain sight, when in reality he was hiding in time.
Boom. Mic drop.
Timothy Kalahar YES!
But... how would he take the pensieve with him if he needed to go through the pensieve... in the first place.
Maybe he made a version of the Pensieve where you could change the past and went into the past. Then Ignacious could have realized, being the clever man that he is, that this was too powerful of an object. Still wanting to have something that you could use to travel into the past, he made the actual Pensieve, but in the past. Then he went back to his present and destroyed the first Pensieve upon finding the actual one? Or yea maybe the Pensieve can change the past too, idk...
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Perhaps he just created another pensieve rather than taking it through with him, possibly because he wrongly thought he could return
Isn't the Pensieve introduced as "a pensieve" rather than "The Pensieve" - implying it is not a unique item? All five other relics are clearly individual, specific items even if lesser versions can be made. Other wands of elder wood had been made, they just weren't very good. Other invisibility cloaks had been made, they just weren't as good. The Veil, the Mirror, and the Stone are all completely unique, with no lesser versions of them discussed.
Or perhaps The Pensieve is just a superior version of other pensieves? The only people we see use the memory extraction spell are those associated with Hogwarts (Dumbledore, Snape, Slughorn), so we don't really know how widespread knowledge of the technique really is.
I can't recall exactly where, I think it was pottermore, but I remember reading that there are other pensieves that belong to wizards and they are very personal items. So much so that they are usually buried with them, but The Pensieve is one that is communally owned by Hogwarts, but no one used it as much as Dumbledore. So it might just be a superior version of the ordinary one, but it's definitely not the only pensieve around, even if it is special
Liam MacKay Same with the Invisibility cloak. Harry's is a special one, but it's not the only one around. It's merely superior to other ones.
willythemailboy2 there is also more than one resurrection stone, the philosophers stone for example is a lesser form of it
the philosophers stone cannot resurrect the dead it can only preserve what is already living, voldemort never died so he could still use the stone (that is if dumbledore hadnt destroyed it)
needless to say, the elder wand is not the only wand but a special one. ;)
I think the cloak could be made of Thestral hair...
but then people would still be able to see you under the cloak if they have witnessed someone "snuff it"
That's based on the assumption that the material would reflect the power expressed in raw form , even when refined by a masterful genius.
Even us non magic folk can create items that differ from or even betray their original properties.
ahh.. how could i forget that dragons are dangerous but dragon heartstring makes not so dangerous wands
But we know from "The Fantastic Beasts..." that the hair of a Demiguise is used to make invisibility cloaks.
True, but it also mentions that regular invisibility cloaks only last for a few years.
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The Veil is explained by Rowling... read it on Pottermore. It was always there, but was eventually used as an execution device back when the wizarding world still executed instead of using Azkaban. The room it can be found im is called "the Death Chamber" by Dumblredore in the 5th book.
It is called the "Death Chamber" as it as the "Chamber" Unspeakables studied death in.
So I called it then? I haven't read half the stuff on Pottermore but this is excellent news my friend :)
Ok my bad.. When I said "it's always been there" I meant it's been there before recorded history since nobody knows where it came from. I agree it must have been made by a wizard. And Dumbledore calling it the Death Chamber COULD just mean it's where the unspeakables study death, but I think in 99% of cases a Death Chamber would only be called a death chamber if it's a room that's used (or in this case: has been used) to execute criminals.
It ALSO matches with the Death Chamber in "Fantastic Beasts" (which is true Harry Potter content since Rowling did the screen writing). There we have an execution chamber that works basically the same way. The happy thoughts of the victim are put into the .. let's call it "Death Pool", where it then charms the victim into wanting to die. OR: maybe it's the natural allurance of death (like the veil), the promis of piece and quiet, no sorrows, eternal sleep. - Second seems more fitting to me. - Yes we see the pool-"water" act like acid on matter, but I'm 99% sure they wouldn't charm you into wanting to die only to burn you alive in acid ^^ No I'm sure the pool acts as a portal to the world of the dead, just like the veil. Maybe it's inspired by it. Probably I'd say even. I go as far as to say it might be the same thing, different design and (long stretch now) maybe even by the same maker. But the last one might be a bit much I have to admit.
So the wizarding world is more merciful than the muggles when it comes to execution: let the natural fascination and secret desire for death work for them so that the victim accepts death and even dies practically of "free will". That fits *very* well when we take the Veil into account.
I think Death Chamber means Execution Chamber and I'm 90% sure of it... Having the basically same device twice, one of which is definitely used as an instrument to execute people. I think it's pretty clear.
You have done a serious problem : The Veil is a portal which a wizard with the resurrection stone can go through and enter dead world and he can come back!
the resurrection stone is like a key but without it you can't come back like Serious Black!
And second brother had used the veil many times and he found that world for a alive human is hard , cold, .... so he decide to suicide!
why did he commit suicide? because he had seen dead people world and it wasn't scary for him anymore!
+Farhad Bat the stone doesn't let him pass through the veil, just bring someone from the other side to him
But could he still use the stone on the other side of the veil to bring himself back?
Ok so it can't really bring you back and it would be a stupid thing to do but still. Could it be possible to go through the veil and then come back using the stone?
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it could be possible. i think the point is that sirius body isn't there anymore. it is on ''the other side'' so mabye the person who goes throw the veil is able to use the things from our world and when you have the stone in your pocket...?
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Lisa I say the same thing!
I think the stone is the key of the veil!
Some one who has stone can go to dead world and can come back! but without it you can just go inside!
There's also the descriptions of the contents of the pensieve and the makeup of the invisibility cloak. Both are described as being silvery and liquid like. The pensieve gave off a silvery light and had a liquid/gas consistency: "like light made liquid, or wind made solid." The cloak was a silvery fluid like material that: "felt strange to the touch; like water woven into material." It's definitely conceivable that by studying the pensieve and the thestrals Ignotus created the perfect invisibility cloak.
Wouldn't it make more sence that Godrick's Hollow was renamed after Godrick Griffindor built Hogwarts as countries, streets etc are renamed to this day in our world?
That's old news.
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Harry and Luna are NOT the only ones who can see thestrals, Neville can too
How?
@@camellivesmatter yup, umpire(dont correct me I know I'm wrong) asked him in their Care of Magical Creatures class
@@emmadurrant8288 he saw his grandpa die
So is the cloak made of thestral hair? and most likely if you can see thestrals you can see through the cloak, maybe thats why dumbledore could see ron and harry in the chamber of secrets?
That would mean Luna could see them and Snape and Quirell should've when they were arguing and potter got close. We know Luna saw a death, Snape was a death eater...he should've seen a "few" deaths as close as he was to Voldemort, and Quirell was the host of Voldemort and well they surely either dealt some death or seen them first hand.
I think that the way they "see" death is more emotionally attached.
I could look it up but I dont want to lol, but I dont think just because youve murdered someone or have seen just any death will suffice.
I believe its supposed to be the act of "knowing" death by having lost someone you truly cared about, Harry saw Cedirc? and i guess he kinda cared lol and Luna saw her mom. Voldemort didnt care about anyone he killed and Snape only cared about Lilly and he didnt see her die.
Also that could explain how Luna found Harry in Half Blood Prince (In the books tonks finds Harry). Much better explanation than the nargels..
+ Luca Leone That explains too why Harry couldn't see the thestrals before Cedric died, thought he has seen his parents when he was a baby : he didn't know what death means
Samy Lemzaoui But he saw Quirrel die. And the basalisk. And I'm pretty sure that he knew what death meant then.
The Dread Wolf Fen'harel created the veil to banish the elven gods after they slew Mythal
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I love this theory! Along with this, what if the Ministry found this and while exploring it's origins, used this as a form of execution?
Jennifer Pruitt they did I'm sure there was something on pottermore about them using it as a form of execution back in the day
Jennifer Pruitt what if instead of actually burying wizards, they throw the bodies in there, but never mind they have graveyards i guess....
except his theory is busted the pensif isnt a past portal it shows memories of the people who put memories in it like dumble door did with his wand or snape has his tear
You're a witness to someone's recollection - memories by definition occur in the past, although they are 1) affected by limited perspective and sometimes even limited interpretation of the person who owns the memory; and 2) not actionable.
The cloak made you _appear_ as if you aren't there, but you can fully interact with the world in every other respect.
Someone's (personal) past is immutable (obvs barring magical tampering) + you are a completely undetectable witness, but also unable to participate = Pensieve
Objective past is mutable + you are detectable participant = time turner
Objective present is mutable + you are a nearly undetectable participant = Invisibility cloak
Jennifer Pruitt A lot of comments have been saying that The Veil wasn't created by Cadmus Peverell, but by the Ministry for execution. I actually agree with you said, and I think that it still was created by Cadmus, and simply found by the Ministry and put to use for execution.
This is so good and it can apply such a fitting theory: Master of Death; going to the other side through the veil, surviving that and stick around there with the protection of the invisibility cloak, getting done what you desire with the elder wand, and having a return-savely-ticket with the resurrection stone.
Back in the real world you are the only one conquered Death and being called Master of Death because you have some things to say. Isn't this like so good?
I'm not 100% into it... but there are some really interesting parallels. I did love when you mentioned Harry and Luna could hear voices and can see thestrals, but Neville can see them too and he didn't say he heard anything. JK said they can hear them because they are open to the idea of the afterlife whereas Hermione isn't. I find it odd that anyone in the WW wouldn't be open to the afterlife, after all there are ghosts all over Hogwarts! The only difference between Hermione and the others is she's Muggleborn.
One thing no one ever seems to mention is that when Harry was drawing toward the veil he said 'Ron is that you' - whether or not he was hearing Ron's voice or just imagining it we don't know but it seems to suggest the people on the other side either aren't dead... or only pretend to be loved ones to lure you in.
one thing I'd really like to know is why there's rows of benches around it, as if it's used (or was used) as some kind of counsel. Which is an odd thing to use something like that for. But actually it just struck me now... is it a long-abandoned execution room? the ministry sit around and the accused is pushed into the veil, similar to MACUSA's death cell. In there you are mesmerised by happy memories, just as Harry & co were mesmerised by the veil. That might push the pensieve and the veil closer...
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The first thing that came in mind when I read "WW" was "World War"
Lovely Sunday Vintage Luna said that she heard her mother in vail but vail is really big mistery and i think it is portal to death and maybe it was used to execute bad guys but then ministry built azkaban for it and vail wasnt used but i want to know how Luna heard her mother if her mother died in accident while doing experiments
I loved this, but I feel like there is one weak point, which is simply how you chose to link the Elder Wand with the Mirror of Erised. I feel like there would be better ways to go about connecting the two than what you did. For example, the Mirror of Erised helped its creator realize his heart's desire, and seeing what is most worth fighting for inspired him to build the Elder Wand, not to simply summon it, but to help him fight for it.
On that vein, why would the elder wand accept the creator as its master in the first place? We see no evidence of Olivander or other wandmakers being able to use every wand in their shops, so why should the Elder Wand, the most powerful wand ever created, accept its creator automatically?
Presumably the creator of the most powerful wand ever (that we know of) would be able to make a cooperative wand.
Benny Blue I have another theory about that what is the other object we know that can make people get what they want yes liquid luck what if the potion was created by the oldest brother in a first place
perhaps he specifically designed it to choose him.
For your last question, maybe it's as simple as: He is the one that claimed it. The only reason the people who buy the wands from the wand makers "own" their wands is because their maker gave them to their new owner, but they can be taken from that owner (with the person taking the wand claiming it) and will then work for that person. Their seems to be no reason why Olivander COULDN'T use every wand in his shop, or at least a wand he created himself, because in a sense, they only start to belong to other Wizards when he allows them to claim them.
The Elder wand seeks power. There is a theort that in the fight with Grindelwald and Dumbledore, the wand saw that dumbeldoor was the more powerful wizard and actually performed less powerfull spells so that Dumbledore would win the fight and win the wand. "The wand chooses the wizard"
7:18 No, Neville can see the thestrals, too! At least in the book, he can, I can't remember if they mentioned it it the movie, but he says he saw his grandfather die.
I think that he relies more on the movies than the books for his information.
does it explain how his grandfather died? From what I understood Harry's and Luna's family died horrible deaths. I am wondering if the type or manner of death matters?
Bellatrix, Cruiteacus (Not spelled correctly, the Torture Curse) until death. His Parents are driven to insanity, obviously
I don't think it matters how. I remember reading about this, JKR said that the reason why Harry didn't see thestrals as he was returning home after seeing Cedric die was because it hasn't really sunk in yet. For someone to see thestrals you need to have first seen the death and then come to accept it. As a baby, Harry saw his mother die right in front of him but he wasn't able to see the beasts until much later because he wasn't able to comprehend death.
Dumbledore called it the death chamber after fudge saw Voldemort what if it’s just an execution platform