"So, what are you going to with the Elder Wand, Harry?" Ron asked. "I think I'll keep it," Harry replied. "I mean, it's not like it's actually cursed. It was Dumbledore's wand, after all. Besides, I'm still planning on becoming an auror, so it will probably come in handy." "Good idea," Hermione said. "It sure would be a waste if it got lost again, or if you did something silly like destroy it." "Yeah, that would be pretty dumb," Harry agreed. "So now you have both the Cloak of Invisibility and the Elder Wand," Ron summarized. "It's too bad you didn't get the Resurrection Stone as well. You'd have the whole set." "Oh, I actually found the stone too," Harry said. "I dropped it in the forest, though." Ron and Hermione shared a baffled look, then stared at Harry. "You dropped the Resurrection Stone in the Forbidden Forest!?" Hermione exclaimed. "Yeah," Harry scratched his head. "It seemed like a good idea at the time, but in retrospect it probably wasn't the smartest move. Here, let me fix that." He raised the Elder Wand. "Accio Resurrection Stone!" For a moment nothing happened, then there was a whistling sound as the stone came flying through the air into Harry's hand. Holding it up for the others to see, he grinned. "Damn, this wand is awesome." "So, I guess this makes you the Master of Death," Hermione said. "Harry Potter, Master of Death!" Harry struck a dramatic pose, then chuckled. "Yeah, maybe not. Anyway, Ron, I guess you and your family would like to say goodbye to Fred?" Ron nodded. "That would be nice, I think." "Come on, I'll show you how the stone works," Harry said. "Man, what was I thinking throwing this away?"
Fervidor he actually tells dumbledore's painting he wont go looking for the stone he keeps the elder wand so when he dies its power will die out with him.
Couple of issues with this theory, as I see it: Issue No. 1: It takes the Tale of the Three Brothers too literally. The Beedle stories are a collection of wizard faerie tales, and while the story of the Three Brothers is certainly based in history, i.e. the Peverell brothers, it is most likely not literally true. In Dumbledore's words, it is much more likely that the Peverells were gifted and dangerous wizards who created those artifacts, and the legend of them being Death's own Hallows is simply the type of legend that might spring up around such objects. And given that the barrier between life and death is an incredibly solid one within the world of Harry Potter, it seems very farfetched that Death itself would have literally appeared before them. Thus, the wand being one that "must always win duels for its owner" is not literally true. It is simply very LIKELY that the wizard who possesses the Elder Wand would win duels. This is partially because of its inherent power, but largely because such a wizard would usually need to be very powerful themselves to have been able to defeat its previous master. Issue No. 2: It assumes that things at the top of the Astronomy Tower went exactly as Dumbledore planned. From the account of the events within the book itself, it seems pretty clear that Dumbledore does not plan for Draco's plan to succeed, at least not in the sense that he intends to allow Draco to personally defeat him. When they are surprised atop the tower by Draco's arrival, Dumbledore is able to immobilize Harry so that Harry will be protected, but doing so meant he was unable to protect himself from Draco's Disarming Charm. A younger and stronger Dumbledore would, undoubtedly have been fast enough to both immobilize Harry and counter Draco's attack, but not only is he in a very weakened state by that point, but the book has also explained multiple times that Dumbledore's age is finally catching up with him, and his reflexes are not as good as they once were. But quite apart from the logical issues I see in this theory, what I also don't like is that it supposes that, if the Elder Wand did belong to Harry in that final battle, that means that Voldemort only lost on a technicality. I do not find this to be true. Voldemort lost because he was arrogant. He lost because of his own foolishness and inability to understand that which he did not personally value. Though Harry may not have been a particularly heavy hitter when compared to Voldemort, Harry's understanding of magic was much deeper than Voldemort's, at least when it comes to the type of magic that is truly important. He figured out the progression of the Elder Wand's possession. He understood the power of things like love, loyalty, and the ability to accept mortality. And by explaining it all to Voldemort, offering him the chance at remorse, and attempting, in the end, not to kill Voldemort, but to disarm him, Harry showed that he understood the power and importance of mercy. Voldemort never understood any of these things. Harry did. That is why, in the end, Harry was the better wizard. Just my thoughts. I often find myself agreeing with a lot of the HP fan theories on this channel, but this one really doesn't hold water for me, from either a logical or symbolic perspective. Sorry if that was a bit long-winded.
You're actually more correct than you think. Harry is the true master because he showed mercy, but toward Draco. The biggest difference between Harry and Voldemort is love. Harry as the ability to love and be loved in return, Voldemort does not.
If Dumbledore wanted to save himself from Draco, why did he even bother freezing Harry? Disarm Draco, nothing else matters. But then we wouldn't have that long exposition explaining what's been going on.
If you check that passage in the book, you can see that when Dumbledore took that action, he didn't yet know who was coming through the door. All he knew was that A: There were probably Death Eaters in the school, and B: An unidentified person was coming up the stairs. Harry's safety has always meant more to Dumbledore than his own. Dumbledore knew that Harry would try to fight whoever came through that door, especially if whoever it was attacked Dumbledore. So, he kept Harry safe first. It might have been one person, or there might have been more coming. If the room was about to be full of Death Eaters, and a fight broke out, Harry would be VERY likely to get killed in the crossfire. And we know for a fact that he intended for Snape and Snape alone to defeat him, because he wanted Snape to have the Elder Wand. He admits in book seven that he meant for Snape to get the wand, but it didn't work out. Ergo, that tower encounter did not go as he planned.
Your interpretation is, sir, very intresting. But while I agree Harry was a better wizard than Voldemort in all the aspects you mentioned, I don't know if the Wand see the things that way: it was created to be the incarnation of power. I doubt that the brother who created it thought of love as a powerful magic, he thought that only pure power will keep him safe of death (that was both his mistake and Voldemort's). But anyway, I think that the book's explaination, SCB's theory and your interpretation only make the story richer, and there's no need to find which one is really true.
Thanks, Aniki. That's a pretty good point. But I still stand by the idea that Dumbledore didn't intend to allow himself to be disarmed, mainly because even if his reflexes were just as good as they ever were, he had still been weakened severely by the Drink of Despair in that scene. Plus, the curse from Marvolo Gaunt's ring had been trapped in his wand hand (we know this because he says that it is his wand hand in HBP), which I think would have also contributed to his spellcasting being at least a little diminished. There's one scene in particular that shows him having difficulty with simply pulling a cork out of a flask, so it seems reasonable to assume that his wandwork would have been similarly clumsy. Or at least, clumsier than he would ordinarily be.
Was Harry using Draco's wand during the duel with Voldermort? If so, the Elder wand recognized that it was fighting the wand that disarmed it, and shifted allegiance to the wizard using it. The wand keeps a tally of what spell other wands cast against it according to Pottormore. It recognized Draco's wand. Not Harry. By disarming Draco, Harry become the owner of Draco's wand because Draco's wand had no strong loyalty. Your video about Ron having a disloyal wand that belonged to one of his brothers made Ron not good at magic kinda illustrates this. Since Draco doesn't have a loyal wand, it shifts allegiance to Harry easily enough.
draco is the one who owned the wand cuz he disarmed the principal and then lost allegiance to being overpowered by harry, so technically your wrong. you have to disarm the person to own their wand either by death or disarm or being overpowered, when you are killed by someone, disarmed or overpowered it means you lost and unable to use the wand
Yeah it was dracos wand and the way Harry got this was because Voldemort picked up Harry’s wand from his body and when Draco hugged Voldemort he took his wand back and when Harry came back Draco tossed it to him
Voldemort used Harry's blood to resurrect himself, so maybe Harry won the duel because the Elder Wand recognized Harry and Voldemort as the same person, making them both the master of the Elder Wand.
"Voldemort used Harry's blood to resurrect himself". That says it all! Old Dumbledore truly knew his magic. You are right, they were BOTH masters of the elderwand. Voldemort killed himself in Harry, being that Harry's blood in Voldemort made the Elder Wand sense more of Harry Potter than Voldemort, which switched it's full allegiance to Harry. Draco owning the wand and that Harry took Draco's wand was just a cover up to what really went down.
honestly when he said that I was just like "well yeah cause Grindelwald did't disarm or kill that wand maker so duh" but I just tend to try and work out where the theory is going, cause it's based on lore not separate research (like Film Theory and Gametheory)
Tennis Claremount I didn't finish the last book, things got a bit too depressing at that point as in Darquesse and no Valkyrie Cain, evil mirror people murdering there true person's cousins and making mirror peeps out of them and That big bulky guy who's name I cannot remember but he made Valkyrie's clothes being dead which triggered Darquesse
@@vineetsharma6346 also voldemort kinda killed himself in the process. but in a way every main character killed voldemort in a way. they should have shared custody of the wand
I always thought Harry being able to come back from being dead was proof that he was the owner of the Elder wand. If he owned it, then he also had the resurrection stone and the invisibility cloak, therefore “a master of death” meaning he was given that choice to come back instead of moving on to some afterlife. Still a great theory, the whole wand loyalty stuff always seemed so messy in the story lol.
p.d d.p maybe for you but I enjoy reading more about it. We're gonna get it through movies why not through books first so I can enjoy it the same way I enjoyed Harry Potter?
mtbirchfieldCG I don't think people will like that because most people hated the newest book Harry Potter and the cursed child! Also the new book sucked compared to the other ones
Nah... that story is done and prequels can fall hard. The animated adventures of a later group of students as they go through Hogwarts on the other hand..... Nice little slice of life thing spiced up with magical creatures and occasional magical threats.
Correct. Presumably other wands CAN change allegiance, just based on "the wand chooses the wizard", but the Elder Wand is the only one that allies itself with WHOEVER defeats it's previous wielder. It's designed to work that way, other wands are not.
Yes, Voldemort would have died, the curse rebounded because of love's protection on Harry, so Lily would actually have technically killed Voldemort with her love for Harry. But because of the horcruxes, Voldemort only loses his body, instead of actually dying. If he had no horcruxes, he would have died.
@ 3:35. that's easy to explain. Harry was using Draco's old wand Vs Riddle. I'm pretty sure the Elder wand knew that(just like Harry's phoenix wand recognized Riddle), so automatically the alligeance(?) changed right there. @ 4:40. Dumbledore knew Draco was supposed to kill him, yes. But He never expected Draco to disarm him. He was supposed to face draco unarmed, thus draco defeated him there. Plus Dumbledore made a choice. He chose to paralize Harry instead of fighting whoever was coming up the stairs. It just happened to be Draco, it could have easily been someone else(Bella, Greyback) @ 5:35. We don't see it, but we know about it. In Book 1. Dumbledore repaired Hagrid's wand After the Ministry "destroyed it" and disguised(?) it as part of an Umbrella. If that's not very powerful Magic worthy of the Elder wand, I don't know what is. Hell, it's the same thing Harry did with his wand, only better because Hagrid's was "destroyed"(Did Rowling ever specify how Hagrid's wand was destroyed?). So no, I don't think Riddle was ever the master of the Elder wand, but I did enjoy the video.
Blade1301 The ministry purposely snapped Hagrid's wand because they believed that Hagrid had unleashed Slytherin's monster which killed Moaning Myrtle(before she died). In reality, Tom Riddle had framed Hagrid for the act and what the Ministry thought was "Slytherin's monster" was actually Aragog.
Also, after that fight, voldemort lost his body and is almost dead. But still he killed harry just before the final battle, so voldemort again becomes it's master.
But Harry willingly LET Voldemort kill him. Similar to Dumbledore's plan, the Power of the Elder Wand would have died with him. Only, he didn't exactly, fully die I guess.
It specifically says in the book that you don't have to kill the previous owner to get the wand, you just have to overpower them. The lust for the Elder Wand though made people kill for it. Gregorvich owned it, it was stolen by Grindlewald, and then forcefully taken by Dumbledore, who must've disarmed him or was just a more powerful wizard. Draco then overpowers Dumbledore, via disarming him. Voldemort thinks that death is what causes the wand to move on to its new owner, when in fact it's the act of being more powerful. Harry is stronger than Malfoy and therefore earns the wand's allegiance, and conquering death and being even more powerful than Voldemort is not the reason it backfired, it's because the wand knew that its master was not the weakling wielding it, but the powerful wizard fighting against it. Just my theory anyway.
Ollivander says "that you don't have to kill the previous owner to get the wand, you just have to overpower them." it's his opinion, it is not fact. he also says something alng the lines of "whether it needs to pass on by murder I don't know" so he's not sure of anything. He's just guessing. Just like he did while Riddle was interrogating him.
But killing someone does not need to happen, I think during the story of the three brothers, when the wand was stolen, The man didn't need to kill the brother, but he did just to make sure he wouldn't come after him. That in turn led to have death follow the ownership of the wand.
yes the wand was stolen from antioch peverell and his throat was slit for good measure. every other wizard/witch who came to possess the wand presumably killed the previous owner as a good measure so the myth kept growing in that you have to commit murder to gain the wands allegiance. ollivander himself tells harry that the blackthorn wand "belonged" to draco. notice the past tense...harry took dracos wand by force without killing him
I would argue that it was going to as Harry was poisoned. But since Fawkes healed him it stayed attached to his soul which stayed in the vessel of Harry's body.
that would make since mortal vessels for horcruxes are interesting. they take longer to destroy by such means. this gives fauxe to reverse the venom before it takes full effect
James Bethell because the venom doesn't kill the soul piece, the destruction of the physical container (diary, locket, whatever) beyond the enchantment's ability to repair/survive the attack does. In the case of inanimate objects turning them into a horcrux makes them durable beyond the means of lesser magic or mundane means to harm. In the case of a living horcrux that beings death is the destruction that is required. Harry was healed by Fawkes' tears so he as a vessel was maintained as was the part of Voldemort's soul. I would argue that they did not need the sword to destroy Nagini as she was a living being and anything that could kill her would have worked. After all Harry wasn't especially resistant to harmful spells.
+Alex It wasn't that only Voldemort could kill that piece, just that it was the only way to kill it without losing Harry as well, hence Dumbledore said Voldemort must kill it, because it was the only way to have a living Harry.
A powerful wand is easier than having to use logic to work out when to travel to in order to solve a problem without being seen. I agree, the time turner is super underrated... but it takes brainwork unlike the elder wand so it's less desirable.
The entire point was that you didn't need to kill the person. That's why killing Snape didn't work! The fact that people thought they had to kill people again showing Voldemort's lack of understanding of other powerful magic. I once again feel like reading the books disproves these theories...
Amelle Kyre You had to utterly defeat them, which is accomplished by death. It's not called the Death Stick for no reason. Grindlewald _stole_ the wand, as far as we know he didn't win it by defeating Gragoravitch, who was it's actual master and Voldemort defeated him... by killing him. If all you had to do was disarm the owner of the wand, I'm pretty sure a lot more people would have been it's master before everything, and a Voldemort probably would have happened before his grandparents were out of dippers. Killing Snape didn't work because he was never close to being it's master in the first place. It's master had been long dead by HPHBP (i assume it's around this point in time Gragoravitch was killed) happened. It kind of does require killing. Voldemort didn't understand how it worked, therefore he never realised he had been it's master since he killed Gragoravitch. Even if he did it wouldn't have mattered, Harry had been pretty much actively defeating/killing him since he was 11. Harry basically defeated Voldemort for 7 years, so when he finally became master the wand was basically like "Hell no you dead, Ima be with this kid"
Dewie Blue It's called the Death Stick not because you had to kill the person but because People did Kill for it over it, over and over again. It was the whole point of the misunderstanding. You didn't need to defeat someone utterly just needed to defeat them somehow the wand is the one who decides what is permissible as defeat.
Dewie Blue It didn't work because Draco darmed Dumbledore in the first place before Snape killed him. Harry didn't even actually kill Voldemort. Again the point being that you didn't actually need to kill the person. "The wand choses the wizard, it's not always clear why." It's all in the books. It's the entire point, that you didn't need to kill the person. That's just misrepresentation of the wand. They show it with other wands as well. Again if you ready the books it's all in there
I can see where you are coming from the fact that Voldemort killed Grigorovich, but it wasn't a dual with the elder wand, he just killed him. And at the end, Harry is more alive and defeated death unlike Voldemort at that point. What if the entire time, since Antioch Peverell lost it, the wand had no true master, or even if the wand really chose Peverell to begin with. Maybe he was just very powerful too, like you said about Dumbledore and Voldemort, and have said in the video about the veil, how the brothers must have been extremely powerful to be able to create them, and believed the wand was his, but the wand never really chose him. At that point, it would just be like any other wand in Ollivander's wand shop, just waiting to find the wizard it wants to chose, and eventually it finds it way to Harry and chooses him. All the other wizards that have had it, knew what it was, but has never been able to fully control it because the wand chooses the wizard, as Ollivander always says.
Quick theory: Neville Longbottum was the final owner of the elder wand. Let's assume you need not only disarm but defeat the previous owner as well. So snape owned the elder wand defeating dumbledore who was only disarmed by Draco. Then when Voldemort slits snapes throat he command nagini to kill Severus. So this assuming that somehow a snake could be the owner of the elder wand. Then Neville kills nagini making him the true and final owner of the elder wand. Could be far fetched but an interesting thought
Interesting~!!! But actually, the REAL owner of the wand will always be Antioch Peverell because he possessed the wand until he died and the person who stole it from him didn't win any fight either but killed him instead. So actually the wand resisted all of the others because his true master has always been Antioch Peverell and no one else. A powerful wand like that can still survive and work for whoever uses it, but will never perform or belong to any of them~
Well... defeat doesn't always mean "win in a fight." Antioch was killed and thus defeated. His throat was slit by the thief who promptly stole the wand. Killing = Defeating.
DUMBLEDORE WAS NEVER THE MASTER OF THE WAND !!! and plus does Killing your Horcruxes counts as Disarming and i think HARRY WAS THE MASTER OF THE ELDER WAND !!!
This is extremely far-fetched and probably not even true but I love it!!! Am I the only one who wants to see a drawing of a cute little snake playing with the elder wand while everyone else looks terrified? No one?
I just came here cuz I realized one thing watching another of your videos, Dumbledore has to be the master of the elder wand because he repairs Hagrid's wand just like Harry did with his. Hagrid gets his wand broken but later, in the books, harry thinks that Hagrid's wand is hidden in his umbrella (good catch Harry). I doubt that in that umbrella are just the 2 pieces, just because Dumbledore was the one who gave "them" back and having the elder wand gives him the power to repair the wand so, why don't? We see in TCS that having a "slightly" broken wand can even make a spell bounce back to you. I don't imagine that a fully broken wand can be used and i highly doubt that Dumbledore could give a dangerous tool to someone like Hagrid. 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
I wondered why Hagrid’s wand still worked, where Ron’s and Harry’s didn’t once they were broken. Ron had to replace his, while Harry repaired his with the Elder Wand.
Congrats, your on the harry potter wiki, here's the passage: "A fan theory by SuperCarlinBrothers indicates a possible different reason for the Elder Wands loyalty. The theory proclaims that Grindelwald was never master of the Elder Wand because he failed to kill Gregorovich during stealing it. This would explain why he failed to defeat Dumbledore with it as it was "a wand that must always win duels for its owner". The theory goes on to hypothesis that Dumbledore was never its master either but, after killing Gregorovich, Voldemort was. This means Draco was never its master either which, by extension, means Harry also was not. Yet, the Elder Wand resisted Voldemort due to it being "a wand worthy of a wizard who had conquered death", which, as Dumbledore pointed out, Voldemort was not due to his outlandish efforts to avoid dying at all costs. Dumbledore had stated that the true Master of Death understands that death it unavoidable and embraces mortality. When Harry let the Elder Wand "kill" him, and returned from the dead, the Elder Wand recognised Harry as a wizard who had truly conquered death and became loyal to him."
Ron ultimately "defeated" Harry in the Game of Love ( Hermione )... unless the insinuations that she was cheating him with Harry [in the non-canon "fanfix" of the book "The Cursed Child" ] are true.
Voldemort wasn't actually 1/8 at the end. He was actually 1/128. Each time he split his soul in half, which means that it is actually half of a half of a half of a half of a half of a half of a half. OR 1/2^7 OR 1/128.
You should do a video on the theory that Harry actually has more Voldermort in him then Voldermort does. This is because the act of creating a Horcrux means you are taking the soul that is currently living in your body and splitting it in two and storing that piece in an object. It said in the books that most wizards would only do this once, resulting in a 2-part soul (one from the original and one split) and since the now separated soul can't be reattached or touched (unless the wizard feels remorse about what they have done) it is fair to say that only ½ of the original soul is still in the body. This means that the next Horcrux the wizard would make would be made out of ½ of the ½ a soul he has left or ¼ of his whole soul. The next would be ½ of ½ of ½ or 1/8 of their original soul and so on decreasing exponentially. This means that the Horcrux in harry, being the 6th Horcrux made, contains 1/64 of Voldermorts soul (2^-6). And the part inside Voldermort (now split into 8th with 7 external pieces and with 1 remaining) contains 1/256 of his original whole soul (2^-8). This would mean that Harry has 3/256 more of Voldermorts soul in him then Voldermort does. The fraction of the amount of soul that each object contains also correlates with how “powerful” they are and how hard it was to destroy. For example, the diary, which was the first Horcrux made and contains ½ of the original soul, is shown to cause the most damage, since it causes the opening the chamber of secrets and nearly takes on a corporal form. The diary is shown to more powerful than any of the others. Next is the ring (1/8) that causes permanent damage to Dumbledore’s hand. Then the locket (1/16) that influenced and gained information on the wearer. And once you get to Harry (1/64) you can see that he is nowhere near as powerful as the earlier Horcruxes that contained more of Voldermorts soul.
impossible thing to do - if the wand is meant to "win duels for his (rightful) owner" then disarming his owner is impossible ... since beeing disarmed for sure is the second most evident way of loosing a duel; right after beeing killed ... ...
@@stefanbork3326 the wand is just a wand and isn't much help in a fist fight. Besides, death was bitter that the three brothers had cheated him, so made it only to be unbeatable in duels to give the man a quick death when he started boasting.
It is said that in the Deathly Hallows, that Death himself created the Elder Wand, so what if its Death himself that aIds Harry in the final duel? After all Death comes to us all no matter how long that is he will be waiting to claim those he seeks and Voldemort has tried to conquer Death for 17 years but with all his Horcrux's finally destroyed Death can finally claim the one person hes been after for so long, he finally claims Voldemort when Harry kills him. Also i think that what greets Harry when he "dies" IS not actually Dumbledore, i think that it actually Death in the disguise of Dumbledore, Death-bledor is impressed by Harry's bravery to sacrafice his life for his firends but ultimately hes really there to tell Harry its not his alloted time to die yet and basically allows him to return to back to life to face his destiny and furfull the prophecy, also its through use of the Resurrection Stone also created by Death in the Deathly Hallows Tale that hes able to see Remus, SIrus and Lily and James, furthering my Death theory here. Of course i may be wrong here but i think it seems to fit :)
What if Harry was a vessel for death and that was the reason that Harry was able to kill Voldemort with a disarming spell. When Malfoy disarmed Dumbledore at the astronomy tower in the Half-Blood Prince, Dumbledore was just disarmed but when Voldemort was disarmed he basically evaporated. With Harry as a vessel for death though, the spell could have been fatal by intervention of death. This is completely far-fetched but still a theory
Hmmm.... I rarely ever disagree with you on these, but I think in this case I don't totally follow you. Your basic argument means that Voldemort was right and you *do* have to kill the previous owner of the elder want to possess it, as Voldemort killed Gregorovitch. But Harry didn't kill Voldemort, or at least not all of him, and not on his own. I mean, Neville killed Nagini and that 1/8 of Voldemort, and then Ron did his part too... heck, Voldemort even killed part of himself when he killed Harry. So, wouldn't that mean they *all* have a rightful share in the wand's power? Was Harry only getting part of the wand's power beyond its surface power? Can it have multiple true owners at once? If Neville had used the wand, would he have been a part-owner of its deeper magic, too? I dunno, this theory brings up an awful lot of questions. I personally rather liked J.K.'s original explanation, actually. The qualifier that it can't lose a duel came from the legend of the three brothers, which we know wasn't literally true. Maybe it's just because I'm a pacifist and I like the idea that the transfer of the wand's power doesn't require murder, but I think I lean towards the original explanation on this one.
I actually liked his theory and was thinking about adopting it because when I first read the book I found JK's explanation quite weak and had to read it several times to accept it. So anyway... I watched the video and it made sense at first, but then I remembered that maybe the wand never even had a true master after the original owner. I mean, it was stolen! the brother was killed while sleeping and the wand was stolen. So there's that. He was murdered yeah, but the wand was never conquered, so maybe the true power of the wand died with him.
+Elis Regina Beltram Hm... interesting theory. I do wonder about J's point that Harry fixed his normal wand, which would've required the wand's "advanced powers". It's been a long time since I read the last book, actually, so I don't remember exactly what the book said about this. I dunno, I guess I kind of stand behind Rowling's original plot on this one, but if the wand only needs to be stolen, then that does leave open the scary possibility that someone could find wherever Harry disposed of it and use its powers for evil still... I love that these stories are so open to intense theorizing, though. I think that's part of what keeps us so interested after all these years. (Always ;) )
I must disagree, because in the first place, Harry did not kill Voldemort. In fact, I think that it was Voldemort's Avada Kedavra curse backfiring on himself that finished him off. I agree on some parts, especially about Draco never being master of the Elder wand, but I believe that Dumbledore, during his lifetime, wielded the Elder wand with its full allegiance. Gregorovitch did own the wand, yes, but it was stolen from him by Grindelwald. At this point, I might be breaking the rules of the Elder wand as stated in the books. Right about now, I am possibly making another theory about Elder wand. I believe, that, by Ollivander's statements that "the wand chooses the wizard" must mean that wands have some degree of consciousness. The Elder wand, being the most powerful wand, must then have a higher degree of consciousness compared with the others. So, it may have abilities such as discerning speech and more (please ever forgive my ludicrous mind). I am therefore proposing that the Elder wand does know that it is powerful, therefore mere acts such as physically stealing or simply disarming would have made a great deal of difference, causing the wand to turn its back on its current owner and look to a new one. So, Grindelwald was a master, and if my earlier statement was applied, then Dumbledore must be too. But, that fateful night atop the Astronomy tower when Dumbledore was killed, Draco Malfoy disarmed Dumbledore, which must mean that he became a master of the Elder wand. But, I then agree with the video that because the killing of Dumbledore and the disarming of the Elder wand by Draco Malfoy was planned, then Draco did not become a master of the wand. So, during the time that Dumbledore was buried with the Elder wand, the wand remained dormant. This had already happened before, if I'm not mistaken, as stated in the Tales of Beedle the Bard. So, like before, the wand mustn't have faltered. It remained dormant until the day Voldemort paid a visit to steal the Elder wand. The wand had no owner until then, but when Voldemort took the wand for himself, it gave its allegiance to him. But, then again, I agree with the video when it said that Voldemort wasn't able to fully access the wand's power because his soul had been split to create Horcruxes. And then, of course, the wand transfered its allegiance to Harry when Voldemort died because he disarmed him. But of course, I'm only twelve, so I am not downright sure if this theory fits well with the story's plot.
Satin Potter Maybe also because the want recognized Harry as also it's master (cause you know, Harry was a horcrux?) just a more powerful one? Like, "Hey, this guy's pretty strong, but that kid? He's got the same vibe as this guy and, oh wait, he just died. Damn. Well, I guess that this guy is my master and hOLY CRAP THE CUTER ONE IS ALIVE? Also, this guy doesn't have the same reading as the boy. He's my real master." Did I just write internal dialogue for a wand? Yes, yes I did.
Satin Potter Lol I was reading this and the wand sounded like a total player in my head. Wand: Ohh you seem like a strong wizard *shenanigans happen* Wand: BYE BYE SUCKA IMMA GONNA GO FIND SOMEONE ELSE NOW *cycles repeat until Harry comes along* Lol this totally makes the Elder Wand seem like the best player in the wizardry world
Bruhits Robles Because Harry never seeked power. He was happy with his old wand itself. He could have chosen the elder wand but instead he chooses his old wand. Also Harry doesn't want to pass the knowledge of having Elder wand.
Gokussgreen I agree he overcame death but that is when he was a kid when Voldy tried to killed him but failed or when he face death on the Dark Forest with Voldemort and that is like conquering Death by facing death.
I find the Elder Wand's chain of custody in the books very credible and true-to-life. Stupid and seemingly inconsequential turns of events do change outcomes. One of the points of the story is that it's not only the grand actions that matter; the details do, too, and Voldemort's demise depends, at least in part, on the disregard the great and powerful pay to the seemingly mundane or trivial.
i thought we covered this in the last book/movies you *DO NOT* need to kill the last owner. only disarm them. in that sense the elder wand is no different than any other wand.
chase1146 Voldemort wouldn't just disarm Snape, he's not the 'Expelliarmus, now be on your way, my merry fellow' type of guy. If Snape was no use to him, he would've got rid of him no thought given. I think it's unnecessary he had to die, but also kinder because otherwise he would've spent a lifetime mourning over Lily. Speaking of which, did you read the Cursed Child? I can't remember why Snape didn't die. I remember Cedric killed Neville, thus preventing him from killing Nagini.
Amber Shoffren no i have not read cursed child. but on topic,snape was never master of the elder wand. he doesnt have a part in this. if you only have to disarm the person then it still would have gone the way things would have in the books.
True, but the fact is, from what we learned, Grindlewald just stole it from Gregorvitch. Grindlewald never actually won the wand. So... this video is correct, it just went in a very weird way to get there.
Just a curious thought, one to perhaps make you think beyond just the changing of hands the Elder Wand went through. The Elder Wand is a set of 3 items, the Deathly Hallows; Ring, Cloak, Wand. The 'lore' behind the wand was that it went to the strongest wizard. Fancy words aside, the wand went to the wizard who won the duel. If I remember correctly, however, Death made the Wand and GAVE it to one of the Peverell Brothers...so if the allegiance goes to the one who WON the duel, then Death should have always been the Master. We know that's not the case, as it was reported on how powerful the wand was for Antioch, as he was the Master of the Wand. It is TOLD, i.e. word of mouth (ever play the game Telephone?) that the allegiance went from person to person, but what if the allegiance stayed with Antioch, to be passed down through the bloodline? After all, it was a gift from Death, I doubt Death would be so frivolous as to allow just any powerful wizard to have such control. As far as it is known, Antioch's direct bloodline perhaps ended as we don't know if he ever sired children, so the Master of the Wand would go to the next, oldest surviving blood relative, which if you go by the hints, was also possibly Voldemort; Gaunts being a descended, because of the Ring being in the family for centuries, of Cadmus, who was one of the brothers, same bloodline (familial). So that would mean every person who had the wand, was never TRULY the Master of the Wand, which explains why it changed hands so much. Now, why did the wand resist Voldemort if he was supposed to be the Master of the Wand as the oldest, Peverell bloodline relative? Well, I think it more had to do with genetics. The Potters had a fairly clean family tree, meaning, no inbreeding. So the bloodline, in that aspect was Pure. Peverell blood down through each generation. By the time the Gaunts come around, we don't know how many...bends back in the tree those branches go, which while it seems like it should make the bloodline stronger, I would think thins it out more. I'm not a Biology expert by any means, but we are also dealing with magic; it's shown that the Purebloods (i.e. no Muggle blood) are weaker magically....and in some cases IQ....because of inbreeding. If Magic is somehow tied to genetics, then as the blood thins, the magic weakens. Add in the whole bit of Voldemort splitting his soul, and he has less chance of being a Peverell relation now, and the wand, sensing a stronger connection to the bloodline it was GIVEN to, aligned with that individual. Which is why Harry was Master of the Wand. ^.^ Of course, as with any thought, it's all speculation, theories, and guesses, but I hope you enjoyed my little walk through the how. I wouldn't mind feedback.
I think it is a good theory. It certain pulls in a lot of information we have on genetics and bloodlines. I think the only thing you have to keep in mind is that many believe death never actually gave the brothers anything, that the myth was created after the great magic the brothers had done (like Johny Appleseed) although a genetic argument could still be made because another of the hallows is passed on threw the family, the cloak. And if I remember reading somewhere the resurrection stone was actually the stone in tom riddle's ring that was passed down in his mother's family (that he got from killing them) that would make 2 out of 3 family heirlooms which would make a strong case for the 3rd being one as well
Yes Dumbledore planned on losing to Malfoy so that Malfoy wouldn't have to kill him BUT Dumbledore DIDN'T plan on Malfoy disarming him. Hence why the eldar wand switched allegiance to Malfoy the last minute.
I think The reason that the elder wand didn’t work is because at that point, both with the horcrux and with the blood Voldemort took from Harry, it’d make them the same person pretty much. So they both technically own the elder wand.
You could argue that Voldemort defeated and killed Dumbledore. Dumbledore was slowly dying from the curse Voldemort placed on the Ressurection Stone. He would not have committed assisted suicide otherwise.
I think that the elder wand doesn't belong to anyone because the stories tell that the elder brother was murdered while sleeping and not in a fight so the man who stole the wand didn't get his full power as well
maybe the wand doesnt care. maybe it has no sense of honor and doesnt care that it was a sneak attack in his sleep, just that "yup, you killed my master. you are now my master" or maybe you are right BUT the wand clearly has at least some power left bcause harry used it to repair his own wand. maybe it recharged because it was in the hands of someone who conquered death? maybe if it becomes "masterless" it becomes owned by the next person who owns it but watered down tot he point that when harry got it, it was abnormally powerful but wasn't the invincible juggernaut it was centuries ago? a sword that hasn't bee honed and sharpened over the years. no upkeep. rusted. but still the finest quality piece of rust on the planet.
tbh I think this is much more likely to be it. The extraordinary power of the wand isn't really given over. Maybe the wand in fact isn't that great of a wand, just a pretty good one, but nowhere near what it is described at, which would make even more sense. Like mentioned in HP all the time, the Wand chooses the wizard, it's not really won over, and even if you lose a battle you don't nessecarily lose the alliegance of the wand, because as we know e.g. Snapes wand isn't suddenly owned by Harry, even though he disarmed Snape in the Shrieking hut in the 3rd movie, at least nothing indicates it. Considering they do fight in the 6th book/movie, if harry actually was the master of snapes wand, wouldn't he have won there? Harry never tries to repair his wand eather, since Hermine already said she tried and it's impossible, so maybe he could have done it, if he actually believed it to be possible.
Death *GAVE* the elder brother the wand, and if we learned anything from the resurrection stone, Death would not just hand over the most powerful wand. Well, technically he did, but as it would be safe to assume that Death did not hand over all the power. All along, the power could've been holding back until the next Master of Death, in which it would actually be stolen or won, and, as it is a common tale in the wizarding world, the whole thing is probably going to have some exaggeration, at the least. But hey, that's just a theory!
Interesting. I've always had an issue with that whole Harry-disarmed-Malfoy-so now-he's-the master-of-the-elder-wand thing. At hogwarts, students are disarming each other left, right and center. By that logic, wands are always changing their allegiance. Which then raises the question 'Is any one actually the true owner of their original wand?' But this theory makes a lot more sense.
Theory: The wand passed to Dumbledore and then he was defeated by the magical defense of the Gaunt ring. He was going to die. Voldemort's magic killed him. Then when Harry destroyed a horcrux. He dealt a mortal blow to Voldemort. And thus won the wand.
yeah, but the wands would not change allegiance through some weak "capitulatuses" that students practice on each other... thats not real dueling. When you actually mean it, then it is possible, but actually im sure there has to happen more to it, to change its owner...
The student dueling is mock combat and after being disarmed the student simply picks it up again. Also, a borrowed wand (or stolen) is never as effective as one that picked its owner (or owns its picker, lol) which is repeated time and again in the series.
Before his death Dumbledore was weak and the elder wand change legions to Draco(overpowering Dumbledore). Draco wand change legions because Draco already have more powerful wand(the elder one). After Harry repair his wand and destroy the elder one again Draco origilan wand change legions back to Draco because Harry's wand is more powerful.
i think their were only 3 masters of the Elder wand. The oldest brother who create them. Death who the oldest brother utimately demands. And Harry who defeated death by arises from the dead.
But Dumbledore did wield it. Theory: The wand passed to Dumbledore and then he was defeated by the magical defense of the Gaunt ring. He was going to die. Voldemort's magic killed him. Then when Harry destroyed a horcrux. He dealt a mortal blow to Voldemort. And thus won the wand.
yeah but if we're accepting theories, there also the theory that dumbledore was/represents death, in which case the statement that only harry, death, and the brother are the only owners since dumbledore is death. but theories aside, this video is assuming dumbledore was just awesome, which he was, elder wand or no. he did OWN the want, but that doesn't make him the master, similar to how voldemort owned it but wasnt the master.
The elder wand has been written as a strong wand; not an unbeatable one. Not to even mention that there is a hint that Grindelwald might have surrendered.
Well it's a good thing that the wand doesn't change allegiance simply by being disarmed. Imagine being in a mock duel and losing the wand over it ? Wait... if you're the master of the Elder wand then you actually wouldn't lose ?
ikr, harry actually disarms snape in 3rd movie and it's not even a mock battle, woulda be pretty depressing if he had it. And wouldn't Lockhard have lost his wand to snape too. And do you win over all the wands they had? I bet Snape won quiet some fights too, so all of those are now harrys wands? :D Sounds ishy.. In the end I think "The wand chooses the wizard Harry" is the most true phrase on that topic. It's not about you winning or not, rather about the wand considering you unworthy of wielding it and considering the other worthy.
LunnarisLP Rowling actually clears that up. Intent matters, you have to intend to win the wand in order for it to let you, mock duels aren’t real, therefore the wand doesn’t care about who overpowers who, unless they intend to take the other person’s wand.
I think this is the intention of Death to be able to take the ownership of the EW easily so that it will be taken away from the Peverell brother ASAP as his real intention is to collect their souls ASAP since they were not supposed to be living after they avoided death and that I think is the nature of Death to seek death to those whose time is up in the mortal world. Remember how he also tricked the other peverell with the resurrection stone.
I have had this theory for years and even though I agree that the elder wand was transferred from Gregorovitch to Voldemort, I don't think the reason Harry defeated Voldemort was that the horcruxes were destroyed. The thing is that Voldemort is not undefeated, in fact Harry defeats him several times through the years (for an example when Lily and James dies), meaning Harry have been the master of the elder wand ever since he was one year old.
no offense, but I don't like this theory. The entire point of the elder wand is that it cannot be beaten, so yeah, Harry would've lost that final duel, even if they had been dueling on skill alone as Voldemort suggests I think he still would've lost, Voldemort is just way to powerful. I do agree that it's weird that Dumbledore was able to beat Grindelwald when he was the master of the wand, but we have literally NO idea what happened in that fight, maybe Dumbledore knew that he had the elder wand and tricked him, beat him without magic, took away the wand somehow, we don't know, so we can't make assumptions. It is a little shady that Grindelwald got the power from stealing the wand, but the point is you have to best them or beat them, it never says in combat, by taking it against his will he effectively bested Gregorovitch, thereby getting it.
BAD W0LF CORPORATION well in the book, Grindelwald tells Voldemort that “I never had it” maybe he was telling the truth and he never actually was in control of the elder wand!
I'm still convinced the original path was the way it went. Though, I believe I recall Harry magically disarming Draco at some point after Draco disarmed Dumbledore, which is why Harry is the master of the elder wand in the end.
Consider this. What if the elder wand lies outside wand lore? What if the elder wand shows loyalty to those who possess Peverall blood? The wand may have betrayed Grindelwald because Dumbledore may be more closely related to the Peverell family than Grindelwald. If the elder wand is a family heirloom and shows more loyalty to someone who possesses more family blood, then maybe it never bonded to Voldemort because he had so very little of his soul left. In addition Harry possessed two other deathly hallows which are also inheritances from the Peverell family. This would mark him and prove to the wand that he has a stronger blood bond to the magical item and therefore the wand would obey Harry over Voldemort
It was well reasoned on the whole, but it is disconsidering 2 main points, you might find that my reasoning is flawed, so if you want to contact me and discuss about it I would very much like it. The first one is that the powers of the deathly hallows are greatly exagerated with the exception of the cloak, with some limitations, and thinking about it, even the sorcerer's stone was exagerated. Let's start with the sorcerer's stone just to set a precedent. "The ancient study of alchemy is concerned with making the Sorcerer’s Stone, a legendary substance with astonishing powers. The stone will transform any metal into pure gold. It also produces the Elixir of Life, which will make the drinker immortal."[Extract from Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone, Chapter 13: Nicholas Flamel] there is the first exageration, and from a library book that is used for academic purposes, if the elixir of life makes someone inmortal that would mean that you would only have to drink it once, what it really does is extend life, and if the drinker keep drinking it forever it could be said that the drinker is immortal, but more than once in the series it is stated that if you stop drinking it, you would eventually die, so its powers are overstated from that point. Let's continue with the resurrection stone, because even in the tales of Beedle the Bard there is evidence of its flaws "Though she had returned to the mortal world, she did not truly belong there and suffered." [Harry Potter and the deathly Hallows, chapter 21: The Tale of The Three Brothers] and later on when Harry and Hermione argue about the power of the stone, he mentions what happened in the graveyard of Little Hangleton when his and Voldemort's Wands connect and the latter starts regurgitating it's spells in last to previous order, resurecting the victims of Avada Kedrava among other things, he theorizes that the power of the stone might do something simillar, let's compare how it is described with when Harry calls his parents, Sirius and Lupin back to life using the powers of the stone "... and then something much larger began to blossom from Voldemorts wand tip, a great, grayish something, that looked as though it were made of the solidest, densest smoke… was it a ghost? it looked so solid..." [Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, Chapter 33: The Death Eaters]; "They were neither ghost nor truly flesh, he could see that. They resembled most closely the Riddle that had escaped from the diary so long ago, and he had been memory made nearly solid. Less substantial than living bodies, but much more than ghosts,..." [Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Chapter 34: The Forest again] the first case was much less intense, but we can´t forget that it was just accidental magic, so the effects could not be as strong, but in both cases there was a way to bring back shadows or memories of the dead but it wasn't really bringing people back from the dead, as the name states Now let´s see how Xenophillius Lovegood describes the cloak: "We are talking about a cloak that really and truly renders the wearer completely invisible, and endures eternally, giving constant and impenetrable concealment, no matter what spells are cast at it." [ Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Chapter 21: The Tale of he Three Brothers]. Endures eternally, check, even Ron Realises that stopping to think about it as the cloak wasn't new, as invisibility cloaks normally go it should really be opaque by now, and the key point of the second part of the definition is "... no matter what spells are cast at it." part, because we can only see times that it fails by non-magical means, like when Harry is throwing mud on Crabbe, Goile and Malfoy outside the shrieking shack in Prisoner of Azkaban, when Harry Sneak in Malfoy's Cabin on the train in Half-blood Prince or in deathly Hallows when Peeves is throwing Snargaluff Pods in everyone and the cloak is covered by its juices, to mention some, and when Harry, Ron and Hermione get to Hogsmeade and the death Eaters try to summon the invisibility cloak and fail in Deathly Hallows was deliberately written that way to show us beyond any doubt that the cloak was really a Hallow and to prove that point. Obviously J. K. Rowling noticed the examples that I have just given and thought of a way to go around it. So, I cannot recall any refferences that you haven't mentioned in the video of the flaws of the wand, but I am inclined to Dumbledore's point of view that the Hallows were really created by the Peverell Brothers and that the tale of them being given to them by death was just it, a tale revolving such wonderful magical artifacts (in the end of the day it's all fiction anyway), and let's remember how the tale of the 3 brothers describes them "... the oldest brother, who was a combative man... the second brother, who was an arrogant man... The youngest brother was the humblest and also the wisest of the brothers..." [Ibid]. So it shows that the 2 oldest brothers are actually the kind of people that would exagerate the power of their own creations, so saying that it was an unbeatable wand was just an exageration, and the powers of the cloak was just the closest to its description because the third brother was "the humblest" of the three, and even thinking about it, his better description would be the least arrogant because considering that the tale was partially true inside that universe and that there was really three brothers and that the two older brothers ultimately died because of their own creations, one being murdered for it and the other commiting suicide being driven mad by it, who spread the story that got into Beedle's ears all distorted? or even created the therm Deathly Hallows? the only person that was present and could account for all three objects, the third brother who died of old age. ok, that is my first point, a little long, I know, but the second is way shorter. Going back to the point that the Elder Wand was actually a wand crafted by a really skillful wandmaker, so all the laws of wandlore would apply to it, so, the whole "the wand chooses the wizard" [Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Chapter 24: The Wandmaker et al] apply and as Olivander says, a wand's allegiance could shift if one wizard overpowers its current owner when he explains that Draco's Wand is now his and Harry even comments that the way that Ollivander talks about wands is like they are sentient (take note of this part), and Ollivander also says that in his opinion you don't have to kill the previous owner to gain true ownership of the Elder Wand, that it only has famously been done so because it is such a coveted object. So, summarizing the path of the Elder Wand: it became to be owned by Gregorovich by unknown means, and then it was stolen by Grindewald, who loses the duel to Dumbledore, who is disarmed by Malfoy (the part of him being disarmed was never planned), and here is where the sentient part comes into play, when Harry told Voldemort that he overpowered Malfoy back in the manor wasn't for Voldemorts ears, but the wand's (ok, wands don't have ears, but my point is that he had to say it in front of the wand for it to work), upon "hearing" what happened and sensing the truth of it, is when the wand really becomes Harry's, let's remember that the wand sort of killed Harry shortly before.
OMG this fits perfectly! Although I think the Elder Wand's allegiance shift not through murder but when the owner is "defeated". I believe Grindlewald never was the true owner because he simply "stole" it from Gregorovich, and never "defeated" him.
david martinez the eldest brother of the deathly hallows cheated death. He was the master of it to its full potential. So in my case cheated and conquer are the same, because harry cheated by using the resurrection stone
Jason Nolasco Harry didn't have the ressurection stone any more when Voldy tried to kill him. He survived because when Voldemort took his blood to get back his body, he literally tied Harry to life (with Lily's protection). I don't want to explain all of it in detail now but in the book it's explained very well, so read it and you'll know why he survived ^^
I don't remember if i saw this on one of your videos, or if it was just on reddit, but i once saw someone say that the elder wand was actually totally irrelevant to the ending, especially in the books. Voldemort needed a different wand at first because the twin cores between his wands and Harry's seemingly kept him from harming Harry. But then when he used someone else's wand Harry was still able to deflect his spell on instinct. This was when he began to search for the elder wand. What Voldemort didnt know was that he was unable to harm Harry because the magic of the horcrux was preventing him from destroying a piece of his own soul. And while the movie doesn't make this clear, you may recall that in the book the reason why Voldemort's army is so easily defeated after Harry willingly allows himself to be killed is due to the same mysterious magic that protected Harry from Quirrel in the first book. The Elder Wand (and the Hallows in general) while interesting from a lore perspective were useless macguffins in the story.
Just realized, Harry only came back because he was the Master of Death (Dumbledore). He may have dropped the Resurrection Stonel, but it was still his. He may not have had the Elder Wand, but he was still the Master of the Elder Wand. But that's just a theory, a Harry Potter theory.
No that's not why... he came back because voldemort only killed the horcrux in Harry and not actual Harry... him being the master of death had nothing to do with it
Harry came back because Voldemort took Harry's blood. The protection that Lily Potter gave Harry lived in his blood, and when Voldemort took it, that protective enchantment was kept alive by Voldemort. Dumbledore says to Harry in Book 7 (Chapter 35, Godric's Hollow), "He took into his body a tiny part of the enchantment your mother laid upon you when she died for you. His body keeps her sacrifice alive, and while that enchantment survives, so do you". Harry does not die when Voldemort hits him with the killing curse this time for the same reason he didn't die as a baby: his mother died to save him and he is protected by her loving act of sacrifice (which is being kept alive in Voldemort). But yes, Harry was the master of all three deathly hallows at the time of his 'death', making him the master of death. However, "the true master does not seek to run away from Death. He accepts that he must die, and understands that there are far, far worse things in the living world than dying" (Dumbledore, Ch 35, Bk 7). Uniting the hallows does not make you the master of death, being the master of death allows you to unite the hallows. Honestly, other than the title (which the true master could care less about), being the master of death gives you zero benefits. And it certainly doesn't give you the ability to come back from the dead.
Dont u think Dumbledore would have noticed that the Elder Wand was resisting him? We all know he's not stupid... He obviously would have noticed that. that's why I dont think your theory coudl be true.
He probably did know but wasnt going out of his way to kill anyone to obtain its true power, also I assume that if he is not using its full power it will act just like any other wand so why not keep it as is.
Likely also to keep voldamorte looking like a fool thinking that Dumbledore was it's master. but since by the time he even got the wand, most of his soul is basically gone and he can't use the wand to it's full potential either.
Oh almost forgot you have fallen into a mathematical fallacy, just like the wizards did. Considering how arcane the system of knuts, sickles, and galleons is their inability to do math is mind boggling. OK Voldemort created his first horcrux and split his soul in two leaving himself and the diary with half of his original soul. When he created the second he only had half a soul in him to split so each only had a quarter of his original soul while the diary had half. He created a total of 7 horcruxes (including Harry), so by the time of their final confrontation Voldemort only had 1/128 of his original soul not 1/8. This is why no one had created so many, because it would so diminish you. This is why (in my personal head canon ) Voldemort had a nose in the first film and not in the later ones. He was made inhuman in appearance by the splitting of his soul, but as long as they were intact he and they shared a bond. As soon as the diary (which contained the largest part of his soul at 1/2) was destroyed he lost his nose.
Darkamora I always assumed that killing ripped a small piece of it, its actual size depending on the evil performed, rather than splitting the soul in two mathematically perfect halves
How did he not split his soul into two every time? The act of murder was not claimed to shave a fragment off of his soul, it says it splits it that it is shatterered. Very specific word split, the primary definition is "To break forcibly into parts, especially into halves", that's the verb, primary noun definition is "a tear, crack or fissure in something especially down the middle." As a writer J.K. Rowling chooses words with a purpose. Split indicates that the divisions are equal each horcrux takes half of what is left. Her story was too involved for her to not have considered the implication of the language she used. It would be more odd that the spell to encase the part of the wizard's soul specifically took 1/8 of the soul each time. In the explanation when Tom asks about the Horcruxes he says essentially if splitting your soul into two parts keeps you from dying wouldn't seven parts be even better since seven is a number of power. Slughorn says essentially Seven?!?!? Isn't splitting your soul even one time bad enough? No one had done what he did, they implied that the most anyone had created before was two. No the idea, and the deterioration into something less than human only work if it is half. It is the creation of the horcruxes that causes his turn into the snake like creature he ended up as. Creating the first two made him paler but more handsome {Diary,Ring), much like a vampire in my opinion, the third, fourth, and fifth (Cup,Locket,Diadem) took it farther so that by the time he returns to Hogwarts he is already less than human looking more serpentine during his interview. The last two (Harry, Nagini) left him almost completely inhuman, especially compared to his 16 year old self from the diary. It is only his first Horcrux, the diary, that created a physical copy of him from Ginny's life force. Voldemort's actual soul (that possessed Quirrel) couldn't do that, and Quirrel gave himself over more completely than she ever did. Ron was bound so tightly to the locket, gave it so much of his fear, that if it could have done the same it would have. This is because it is the most powerful part of his soul, being half of it. I know the nose in the first movie is because they did not have the visual concept from later in the series, that is why I say it is my headcanon (the mental gymnastics I perform to justify a niggling visual flaw in the movies) that it is the destruction of that largest part of his soul that made him lose his nose, not that I think it really matters.
Going by your theory, if the elder wand was never grindelwald’s that means it would be resisting him, right? So grindelwald was technically handicapped when fighting Dumbledore. Wouldn’t that mean grindelwald is more powerful? After all Dumbledore himself has stated he was only "a shade more skillful" than grindelwald, so what if the only reason Dumbledore was superior is that grindelwald power was being resisted by the elder wand.
The wand chooses the wizard. Wand change legions when the wizard gain more powerful wand, when wizard is dead or when the wizard is weak and it is overpowered.
Stefano S No. I don't think so. If you remember, Voldemort is still kicking ass while the wand is resisting him. I believe that the elder wand is just on the level of a normal wand, if you're not its master
No! do not treat the ownership of the EW just like how wand chooses the wizard. actually the EW cannot choose it's owner, the trick is to trick the current owner into losing his wand or the ownership outside Magical Duels, It was not detailed how Dumbledore won that duel with Grindelwald, and we know how manipulative his words using his wisdom and compassion and intelligence. and conquering Death is not conquering death.
Personally, I quite liked Parselmouth Ron. To me, "It's a skill Harry naturally has, but is possible to learn it" is more believable than "Only Harry and Voldemort can EVER speak this language." Especially given the fact that ALL of the Gaunts could speak Parseltounge. Unlikely if it's purely genetic, perfectly sensible if they're learning it at the same age they're learning English.
cOmAtOrAn I agree I feel like we know that Dumbledore speaks parsletounge. I have always been under the impression that you can learn to speak it but not understand it.
I really don't see why people hate on the fact that Ron remembers what Harry "said" in parceltongue. It's not written that he now knows parceltongue, yet people write it in their rants about it as if it's stated that way!
Yes but he doesn't "know" parceltongue. He copies what Harry said and i understand the extract you have provided. So in the end he does not know parcel tongue. It's like me knowing how to say hello in multiple languages, doesn't mean I know those languages.
I know I'm late to this but what if the true path of the wand was; Gregorovitch then Voldemort and then when Voldemort tries to kill baby Harry but instead Harry "defeats/kills" Voldemort that night. So the wand was Harry's since he was a child untill the end.
Gregorovic died before the battle of Hogwarts yet the wand was still defying him. It makes no sense at all, even if you take into account your horcrux theory. You don't have to be 100% alive to be the master. Even if Voldemort at that time was 7/8 dead, the body that held the wand was still very much alive. Also, it was never mentioned anywhere that you have to kill the previous owner. You only have to DEFEAT them. Not even overpower, all it takes is simply disarming the witch or wizard in question and you've won the allegiance of the elder wand.
Apparently all it takes is snatching ANY old wand that belongs to the owner of the Elder Wand (see: Harry taking Draco's wand physically and somehow becoming the elder wands owner). Dont even need magic, just ounch that sucker in the face and snatch it from their hands!
I think that if this is true and Voldemort was the true owner of the elder wand by killing Gregorovic then Harry wouldn't have become the master of the wand simply by coming back from the dead, I think it was the fact that he defeated and killed part of Voldemort with every piece of horcrux he destroyed. This, Harry killed Voldemort more than once, earning the allegiance of the wand
Ollivander once said to Harry in the filosofer that the wand chooses the wizard. What if the elder wand just chooses the wizard he wants to be the master of and chose harry in the end.
But actually, the REAL owner of the wand will always be Antioch Peverell because he possessed the wand until he died and the person who stole it from him didn't win any fight either but killed him instead. So actually the wand resisted all of the others because his true master has always been Antioch Peverell and no one else. A powerful wand like that can still survive and work for whoever uses it, but will never perform or belong to any of them~
I actually like you version of events of the path of the Elder Wand a lot better than how it played out. For one, I thought too it was ridiculous how harry disarmed Dracos other wand and thus earned him the elder wand, your theory works a lot better. Also Harry was foolish just to leave the wand in Dumbledore's tomb and claim if he dies a natural death than the wands power wont pass. However with Harry being an Auror he is very susceptible to being disarmed at some point and losing the aliegence of the Elder Wand.
5:39 Dumbledore fixed Hagrid's broken wand. Presumably by using the Elder Wand. So, unless Dumbledore is able to do that without being the True Master...
Hey hey, wanna hear a story. so at some point i also realized it's kind of odd how Dumbledore could have won the duel against Grindelwald while Grindelwald was master of the Elder Wand at that time, so I decided to ask Rowling if I ever meet her. but now you cleared it up and get all the credit for finding the plothole and I have nothing left to talk about with Rowling. thanks a lot. (okay no i love you and ur videos are so good keep it up)
Matt Shirley She's the Sister of Albus, and Aberforth Dumbledore. She had magical heritage. Because of an incident with a few muggle boys, she suppressed her magic like how Credance did. She would also have random outbursts of emotion and magic which is how her mother died. This relates back to being a host for an obscurus.
Old voldy is the master of the elder wand because after Harry gains ownership of it by snatching Malfoys wand, then in the forbidden forest " Avada Kadavra" and Harry dies. So, oldy voldy is the master of the elder wand. Of course, Harry returns but "AVADA KADAVRA" so Harry technically DIES THEN RETURNS BUT DIES IS MORE IMPORTANT HERE.
Its said that each wand temperament is different with some being very loyal while others change allegiance easily. It would also depend on the intentions of each combatant. Those training in the DA were only training thus not really fighting. Evil characters whose wands take after themselves would be more likely to change to a stronger wizard so a deatheater who lost a fight to another death eater would be more likely to lose their wands allegiance but if they kept it over time they would re-bond with the wand. A deatheater taking a random law abiding adult or Childs wand would be unlikely to gain the wands trust as they are the reason their previous master died and the loyal wand would not like that. Even lending people wands was not normal as the wand would not work properly for the new user.
To become the master of the Elder wand, one doesn't have the kill the current master, only best them in wand combat. Dumbledore bested Grindelwald in a duel, gaining mastery of the EW. Although Dumbledore knew Draco would try to kill him, Draco's disarming spell was still unexpected and took Dumbledore by surprise, qualifying as Draco besting Dumbledore. Harry disarmed Draco, which qualifies as besting him in wand combat which gave Harry mastery of the EW despite the fact that the EW itself wasn't part of the exchange. The question we should be asking though is how the line of mastery of the EW began in the first place given that the brother it was given to by Death was killed in his sleep, and not bested in wand combat. Without properly besting him in combat his killer couldn't have inherited mastery of the EW, so where did the whole concept come from?
With due deference to "AquilaLiberum" & his applications of Rowling & mundane wandlore 'logic' & various circumstances, there is NO true master of the Elder Wand. NO one ever truly can be. Elder is the most fickle of woods, thus THE Elder Wand is the most fickle of all wands to ever exist. Some wizards think of wands as merely tools to be used, & inversely, this is exactly how the Elder Wand perceives all magi. Unlike most other wands, it cannot ever be mastered, nor won. It chooses it's magi wielder entirely by itself somehow, & then callously discards them (even unto willfully enticing them into battle & then betraying them unto death) whenever it has chosen some other more-preferred 'tool'. Such was seemingly the historical fate of all of its known wielders (& likely all those unknown as well): Antioch Peverell, Emeric the Evil, Egbert the Egregious, Godelot, (patricidal) Hereward Godelotson, Barnabas Deverill, Loxias, Arcus, Livius, Mykew Gregorovitch, Gellert Grindelwald, Albus Dumbledore, & lastly, Voldemort. The Elder Wand was said to be unbeatable, the most powerful wand in existence, yet Rowling also clearly stated it was "beaten hundreds of times". For any of this to be true, therefore ALL of it must be true. All those magi had held this wand, thinking they were its truest master (& were of sorts for a time), yet each in turn was defeated with the wand in their possession (often in duels), simply because the Elder Wand wanted it just so (for inexplicable 'reasons' only a wand could ever 'know'). The movies showed Harry Potter simply snapping it like a twig & discarding it, as it had itself done to so many magi before him. The (canon) books however have Albus Dumbledore insisting that it must be held inviolate, with the NEVER-defeated wielder eventually dying peacefully of natural causes in order to somehow destroy this penultimate wand's power. This had been his hopeful intention for decades. Being informed thus, Harry trusted this as well & thought himself the Elder Wand's master due to extraneous circumstances at Malfoy Manor (this belief explained for him his victory over the far more powerful archmage, Voldemort). Or so the Headmaster & Harry fervently (& wrongly) had hoped & believed. FACT: the ficklest of all elder freely chooses, period, & Voldemort was obviously NOT preferred (perhaps his lack of a complete spirit?). Most importantly however, Dumbledore's theory/hope (in the books) also inexorably makes implicit that, similar yet superior to horcruxes, the Elder Wand (& perhaps others unmentioned by name) are entirely indestructible by normal or even those magical means available to an archmage like himself; or Dumbledore would gladly have done so & rid the world of it long before Harry was ever born. (Sauron's One Ring of Power comes to mind here). Given that the One Ring's end was also its beginning, my spoiler educated-guess fan-theory is that indestructible penultimate wands began very long ago with an initial primogenitor, the very first of it's kind; perhaps it was the various "Axis Mundi" of ancient legends (aka: the World Tree, the Cosmic Tree, the Tree of Life, Yggdrasil, etc), & others like unto it followed in sequence, like chains stretching down thru time (each requiring another pre-existing penultimate in order for each in turn to be crafted, etc): Ningishzida, Wadjet, Kerykeion, Nehushtan, the Rod of Asclepius, Caduceus, the Elder Wand, etc (?), with all of them subject to that initial primogenitor for their unnatural indestructible existence. Its end must also be it's beginning as well; yet, who &/or what in all the world crafted such an impossibility & how (without another like unto it to do so)? How on earth can Harry (or anyone) ever destroy such utter indestructibility? I have given much thought to this & have an unpublished & extensive explanation for these questions (among others), but with apologies for those who've read this teaser thus far, I'll only disclose & discuss this & my Potterverse story idea(s) with J. K. Rowling herself, with Warner Bros Entertainment Inc, or their duly designated legal representative(s) .... or no one at all ....
i always thought the elder wand switched allegiances from the death of its last user, thats how the story makes it seem, but also a cool thought that the elder wand is simply a powerful wand, but its so old that dumbledore and voldy are actually being held back by it because their powers are so ridiculously strong
Hold on cause if you have a 357 at home but aproach me with a 9mm and i kill you and take the gun does that make the 357 mine or the 9mm. Im not threading Amy one just making a point
Hi super Carlin bros I love your videos and i have just been looking at the Black family tree (i.e Harry Potter's god father but you guy's a already know that) and I came across something odd. is Sirius Black related to Ignotus Peverell ? My source was from the harry potter wiki page so i cant tell if this is fact of fiction (considering it is fiction but that's beside the point). oh and one more thing is he also related to the Weasley's And thank you for the great videos. keep up the good work :)
Since Harry was the boy who survived, maybe by resisting death, he became the master of the wand (which I assume old Vol owned at the time) as a baby, since he did not die. That would explain why Harry was still connected to his foe, and would serve as the basis for the prophesy about their ultimate battle.
I disagree with this theory. Mainly because you are basing it completely off of the fact that the wand owner must be killed in order for it to be defeated. But the books never said that. We can only assume that dying is NOT the only way to lose allegiance from the wand. We cannot ever confirm how or why the wands changes allegiance at all. We know very little itself about the wand and its' properties. Also, Dumbledore never did plan for Draco to disarm him. He only planned for Draco to completely fail his task.
no, we know he didn't because they actually the path of the elder wand, while it was called something else (eg. the deathstick, the wand of destiny ect.), so we know that Gregorovitch didn't kill any of the brothers (that and he is not old enough, he isn't Nicolas Phlamel)...
exactly, there is no confirmation that Gregorovitch killed someone to get the wand as this theory would suggest, he could have found it for all we know
eric l thats what i was thinking the wand doesn't belong to anyone because the wand maker never killed anyone so there is no true master the wand was just really just a powerful wand after the wand maker got it
@SuperCarlinBros, you have to look at the big picture that Harry has that colossal element of luck on his side. I mean he was the boy who lived, survived against Voldemort-possessed Professor Quirl by just touching him, miraculously survived a basalisk (IN HIS SECOND YEAR!), survived an encounter with Voldemort and a bunch of Death Eaters upon his return... etc. The list of luck goes on. The story plays him out to be courageous with a lot of his actions, like taking action to find the philosopher's stone or saving Ginny, as well as hunting the Horcruxes; however, I feel it's just a ploy to hide the fact that he's overwhelmingly lucky lol. Lily and James potter rolled a solid 18:00 on Harry's LUCK stat upon birth. Just imagine how lucky he was with that luck potion he received from Slughorn lol.
Oliveshine in ThunderClan so I am not trying to say that they are old but I guess they are idk so what I am trying to say is that elders are mostly describe as smart and wise like Clinton and trump
Perhaps the allure of the wand, being most powerful was the reason why it lost as the wand would choose the one with the most skill, that being the person who knows the wand wont enhance or diminish their magic in a dual with another wizard, therefore only those who understand this can win the wands true allegiance?
I liked your theory and I was even thinking about adopting it cause when I first read the book I found JK's explanation quite weak and had to read it several times to accept it.... but then I remembered that maybe the wand never even had a true master after the original owner. I mean, it was stolen! The brother was killed while sleeping and the wand was stolen. So there's that. He was murdered yeah, but the wand was never conquered, so maybe the true power of the wand died with him.
We know, that Harry need the elder wand to fix his own, as it is the only wand strong enough to do it, And we know he is able do so, so he most be the wands master in some way. As for true power, I dont know, if you mean with the part, that who ever is master of the wand, will always come out of the fight as a winner. Hmmm....on that part you may be right, as far as I know from the books, no one with the elder wand really win a fight with it, and the battle between Dumbledor and Voldmort in the ministry ends in a draw, and Harry bury if after he is done with it. So I guess that is a question we will never get answer.
Well, It's fun and everything but, in the end, JK knows best... It's a powerful wand that works in misterious ways and we'll have to settle for it. Still, I like the Horcrux theory and I'm adopting it with a few twists to make it work completely. It would be really fun if it were to be incorporated into the Fantastic Beasts series (or any other future series) even if JK didn't intend to originally. I mean, Dumbledore being in such a dark place in his life that he would have created a Horcrux and this being crucial for him to help understanding and finishing off Voldemort in the future just shows that it really is like Dumbledore said in the books: even the best of us can face darkness and even from darkness light can appear.... Man I really did get carried away now. I just came from the movies, I'm excited!
Great theory! The "wizard who has conquered death" technicality is completely reasonable! It may be that Death itself has set up the wand to resist anyone who does not fit this description as the wand has a long history of bringing death upon it's owner hence the name Death Stick. Harry may be the one and only true owner of the wand after a long history of the wands use. It makes complete sense now!
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"So, what are you going to with the Elder Wand, Harry?" Ron asked.
"I think I'll keep it," Harry replied. "I mean, it's not like it's actually cursed. It was Dumbledore's wand, after all. Besides, I'm still planning on becoming an auror, so it will probably come in handy."
"Good idea," Hermione said. "It sure would be a waste if it got lost again, or if you did something silly like destroy it."
"Yeah, that would be pretty dumb," Harry agreed.
"So now you have both the Cloak of Invisibility and the Elder Wand," Ron summarized. "It's too bad you didn't get the Resurrection Stone as well. You'd have the whole set."
"Oh, I actually found the stone too," Harry said. "I dropped it in the forest, though."
Ron and Hermione shared a baffled look, then stared at Harry.
"You dropped the Resurrection Stone in the Forbidden Forest!?" Hermione exclaimed.
"Yeah," Harry scratched his head. "It seemed like a good idea at the time, but in retrospect it probably wasn't the smartest move. Here, let me fix that." He raised the Elder Wand. "Accio Resurrection Stone!"
For a moment nothing happened, then there was a whistling sound as the stone came flying through the air into Harry's hand. Holding it up for the others to see, he grinned. "Damn, this wand is awesome."
"So, I guess this makes you the Master of Death," Hermione said.
"Harry Potter, Master of Death!" Harry struck a dramatic pose, then chuckled. "Yeah, maybe not. Anyway, Ron, I guess you and your family would like to say goodbye to Fred?"
Ron nodded. "That would be nice, I think."
"Come on, I'll show you how the stone works," Harry said. "Man, what was I thinking throwing this away?"
this was the worst part of the films when he doesn't fix his own wand or keep the elder wand instead just snaps it then throws it in the lake
Ikr! I mean, that got me pretty pissed!
sooooo true
Fervidor I love this... I love it.
Fervidor he actually tells dumbledore's painting he wont go looking for the stone he keeps the elder wand so when he dies its power will die out with him.
if a wand resists you should ask for its concent. its only polite
consent
Caleb McCall sorry i cant spell great & are you irish
Cause wands can TOTALLY talk. Kinda like Jack the sword from Magnus Chase and the God of Asgard by Rick Riordan. (Yes, I read this book.)
sam moo-rai XD
Actually, you can talk and the wand chooses its master. If you ask for its consent it might give a little more of its power to you.
Couple of issues with this theory, as I see it:
Issue No. 1: It takes the Tale of the Three Brothers too literally.
The Beedle stories are a collection of wizard faerie tales, and while the story of the Three Brothers is certainly based in history, i.e. the Peverell brothers, it is most likely not literally true. In Dumbledore's words, it is much more likely that the Peverells were gifted and dangerous wizards who created those artifacts, and the legend of them being Death's own Hallows is simply the type of legend that might spring up around such objects. And given that the barrier between life and death is an incredibly solid one within the world of Harry Potter, it seems very farfetched that Death itself would have literally appeared before them.
Thus, the wand being one that "must always win duels for its owner" is not literally true. It is simply very LIKELY that the wizard who possesses the Elder Wand would win duels. This is partially because of its inherent power, but largely because such a wizard would usually need to be very powerful themselves to have been able to defeat its previous master.
Issue No. 2: It assumes that things at the top of the Astronomy Tower went exactly as Dumbledore planned.
From the account of the events within the book itself, it seems pretty clear that Dumbledore does not plan for Draco's plan to succeed, at least not in the sense that he intends to allow Draco to personally defeat him. When they are surprised atop the tower by Draco's arrival, Dumbledore is able to immobilize Harry so that Harry will be protected, but doing so meant he was unable to protect himself from Draco's Disarming Charm.
A younger and stronger Dumbledore would, undoubtedly have been fast enough to both immobilize Harry and counter Draco's attack, but not only is he in a very weakened state by that point, but the book has also explained multiple times that Dumbledore's age is finally catching up with him, and his reflexes are not as good as they once were.
But quite apart from the logical issues I see in this theory, what I also don't like is that it supposes that, if the Elder Wand did belong to Harry in that final battle, that means that Voldemort only lost on a technicality. I do not find this to be true. Voldemort lost because he was arrogant. He lost because of his own foolishness and inability to understand that which he did not personally value. Though Harry may not have been a particularly heavy hitter when compared to Voldemort, Harry's understanding of magic was much deeper than Voldemort's, at least when it comes to the type of magic that is truly important. He figured out the progression of the Elder Wand's possession. He understood the power of things like love, loyalty, and the ability to accept mortality. And by explaining it all to Voldemort, offering him the chance at remorse, and attempting, in the end, not to kill Voldemort, but to disarm him, Harry showed that he understood the power and importance of mercy. Voldemort never understood any of these things. Harry did. That is why, in the end, Harry was the better wizard.
Just my thoughts. I often find myself agreeing with a lot of the HP fan theories on this channel, but this one really doesn't hold water for me, from either a logical or symbolic perspective. Sorry if that was a bit long-winded.
You're actually more correct than you think. Harry is the true master because he showed mercy, but toward Draco. The biggest difference between Harry and Voldemort is love. Harry as the ability to love and be loved in return, Voldemort does not.
If Dumbledore wanted to save himself from Draco, why did he even bother freezing Harry? Disarm Draco, nothing else matters. But then we wouldn't have that long exposition explaining what's been going on.
If you check that passage in the book, you can see that when Dumbledore took that action, he didn't yet know who was coming through the door. All he knew was that A: There were probably Death Eaters in the school, and B: An unidentified person was coming up the stairs. Harry's safety has always meant more to Dumbledore than his own. Dumbledore knew that Harry would try to fight whoever came through that door, especially if whoever it was attacked Dumbledore. So, he kept Harry safe first. It might have been one person, or there might have been more coming. If the room was about to be full of Death Eaters, and a fight broke out, Harry would be VERY likely to get killed in the crossfire.
And we know for a fact that he intended for Snape and Snape alone to defeat him, because he wanted Snape to have the Elder Wand. He admits in book seven that he meant for Snape to get the wand, but it didn't work out. Ergo, that tower encounter did not go as he planned.
Your interpretation is, sir, very intresting. But while I agree Harry was a better wizard than Voldemort in all the aspects you mentioned, I don't know if the Wand see the things that way: it was created to be the incarnation of power. I doubt that the brother who created it thought of love as a powerful magic, he thought that only pure power will keep him safe of death (that was both his mistake and Voldemort's). But anyway, I think that the book's explaination, SCB's theory and your interpretation only make the story richer, and there's no need to find which one is really true.
Thanks, Aniki. That's a pretty good point. But I still stand by the idea that Dumbledore didn't intend to allow himself to be disarmed, mainly because even if his reflexes were just as good as they ever were, he had still been weakened severely by the Drink of Despair in that scene. Plus, the curse from Marvolo Gaunt's ring had been trapped in his wand hand (we know this because he says that it is his wand hand in HBP), which I think would have also contributed to his spellcasting being at least a little diminished. There's one scene in particular that shows him having difficulty with simply pulling a cork out of a flask, so it seems reasonable to assume that his wandwork would have been similarly clumsy. Or at least, clumsier than he would ordinarily be.
Was Harry using Draco's wand during the duel with Voldermort? If so, the Elder wand recognized that it was fighting the wand that disarmed it, and shifted allegiance to the wizard using it. The wand keeps a tally of what spell other wands cast against it according to Pottormore. It recognized Draco's wand. Not Harry.
By disarming Draco, Harry become the owner of Draco's wand because Draco's wand had no strong loyalty.
Your video about Ron having a disloyal wand that belonged to one of his brothers made Ron not good at magic kinda illustrates this. Since Draco doesn't have a loyal wand, it shifts allegiance to Harry easily enough.
I like that one, makes more sense
So I was right in remember that Harry isn't even using his own wand and he's actually using Draco's.
draco is the one who owned the wand cuz he disarmed the principal and then lost allegiance to being overpowered by harry, so technically your wrong. you have to disarm the person to own their wand either by death or disarm or being overpowered, when you are killed by someone, disarmed or overpowered it means you lost and unable to use the wand
Yeah it was dracos wand and the way Harry got this was because Voldemort picked up Harry’s wand from his body and when Draco hugged Voldemort he took his wand back and when Harry came back Draco tossed it to him
Yeah this makes more sense
Voldemort used Harry's blood to resurrect himself, so maybe Harry won the duel because the Elder Wand recognized Harry and Voldemort as the same person, making them both the master of the Elder Wand.
but by the last duel the Horcrux inside Harry was destroyed
CV-GAMER Garcia That's not the point he was making
Point of what ?
CV-GAMER Garcia Jappy Stache wasn't saying anything about the Horcrux. He was talking about how Voldemort had Harry's blood coursing through his veins
"Voldemort used Harry's blood to resurrect himself". That says it all!
Old Dumbledore truly knew his magic. You are right, they were BOTH masters of the elderwand. Voldemort killed himself in Harry, being that Harry's blood in Voldemort made the Elder Wand sense more of Harry Potter than Voldemort, which switched it's full allegiance to Harry. Draco owning the wand and that Harry took Draco's wand was just a cover up to what really went down.
when he said that grindelwald wasn't the master of the wand i was like: "now you have gone too far" and 2mins later "oh. that actually makes sense!"
Same! Lol.
I swear that's always the case with any of these theory videos haha.
honestly when he said that I was just like "well yeah cause Grindelwald did't disarm or kill that wand maker so duh" but I just tend to try and work out where the theory is going, cause it's based on lore not separate research (like Film Theory and Gametheory)
because of this I'm sticking to Skulluggery Pleasant now...wands are retarded
Tennis Claremount I didn't finish the last book, things got a bit too depressing at that point as in Darquesse and no Valkyrie Cain, evil mirror people murdering there true person's cousins and making mirror peeps out of them and That big bulky guy who's name I cannot remember but he made Valkyrie's clothes being dead which triggered Darquesse
If Snape owned the wand...... Nagini actually KILLED Snape....... Neville killed Nagini.......
ChampionBeam 401 aha!
Which would also be harder to match because Harry disarmed draco, then Voldemort killed him, then the vice versa happens
@@vineetsharma6346 also voldemort kinda killed himself in the process. but in a way every main character killed voldemort in a way. they should have shared custody of the wand
Tesla Nikolai yeah, that’s a really good point
@Mr.Blunt Addiction nope harry destroyed only 1 horcrux
I always thought Harry being able to come back from being dead was proof that he was the owner of the Elder wand. If he owned it, then he also had the resurrection stone and the invisibility cloak, therefore “a master of death” meaning he was given that choice to come back instead of moving on to some afterlife. Still a great theory, the whole wand loyalty stuff always seemed so messy in the story lol.
Lets not forget: Harry has a nose. The nose knows, as they say.
true!
so the wand is raciest?
Can't imagine it would be. Harry and Voldemort are of the same race.
Chris Wedemann o so its just nosest
Perhaps. Or against drug abuse. You know.
We need prequel books about James, Sirius, Lupin and Peter! Make this happen J.K. Rowling!!!
Jeez, you guys are trying to run the HP universe dry. The mysteriousness of the universe is what makes it so interesting.
p.d d.p maybe for you but I enjoy reading more about it. We're gonna get it through movies why not through books first so I can enjoy it the same way I enjoyed Harry Potter?
mtbirchfieldCG I don't think people will like that because most people hated the newest book Harry Potter and the cursed child! Also the new book sucked compared to the other ones
The cursed child sucked because JK didn't write it
Nah... that story is done and prequels can fall hard.
The animated adventures of a later group of students as they go through Hogwarts on the other hand..... Nice little slice of life thing spiced up with magical creatures and occasional magical threats.
But if anyone can gain alliegence if a wand just by disarming its owner, then it would happen with every expelliarmus spell.
Wand allegiance only matters when JKR feels like it matters. lol
No, I don't think so, because the elder wand was made to transfer allecgience right
'the wand chooses the wizard, Mr Potter. It's not always clear why'- Ollivander
Correct. Presumably other wands CAN change allegiance, just based on "the wand chooses the wizard", but the Elder Wand is the only one that allies itself with WHOEVER defeats it's previous wielder. It's designed to work that way, other wands are not.
Testa Rossa250 you have just explained everything in one quote
Harry “killed” Voldemort when he was a baby.
close, when he was an adult
shane walsh he is talking about when Harry’s parents died
That doesn’t do anything he got the elder wand after that happened
Hate pulled an uno reverse card
Yes, Voldemort would have died, the curse rebounded because of love's protection on Harry, so Lily would actually have technically killed Voldemort with her love for Harry. But because of the horcruxes, Voldemort only loses his body, instead of actually dying. If he had no horcruxes, he would have died.
@ 3:35. that's easy to explain. Harry was using Draco's old wand Vs Riddle. I'm pretty sure the Elder wand knew that(just like Harry's phoenix wand recognized Riddle), so automatically the alligeance(?) changed right there.
@ 4:40. Dumbledore knew Draco was supposed to kill him, yes. But He never expected Draco to disarm him. He was supposed to face draco unarmed, thus draco defeated him there. Plus Dumbledore made a choice. He chose to paralize Harry instead of fighting whoever was coming up the stairs. It just happened to be Draco, it could have easily been someone else(Bella, Greyback)
@ 5:35. We don't see it, but we know about it. In Book 1. Dumbledore repaired Hagrid's wand After the Ministry "destroyed it" and disguised(?) it as part of an Umbrella. If that's not very powerful Magic worthy of the Elder wand, I don't know what is. Hell, it's the same thing Harry did with his wand, only better because Hagrid's was "destroyed"(Did Rowling ever specify how Hagrid's wand was destroyed?).
So no, I don't think Riddle was ever the master of the Elder wand, but I did enjoy the video.
Blade1301 The ministry purposely snapped Hagrid's wand because they believed that Hagrid had unleashed Slytherin's monster which killed Moaning Myrtle(before she died). In reality, Tom Riddle had framed Hagrid for the act and what the Ministry thought was "Slytherin's monster" was actually Aragog.
Ok so it was Snapped, that's what I wasn't sure about. Thanks for clarifying.
Blade1301 in the books its returned to dumb old doors grave
Krazy sorry auto correct..... and I am truly sorry I did not look at the reply above me next time I will, please I am very sorry 😣
geez how did you not recognize auto-correct?
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What if it belonged to Harry because Voldemort failed to kill baby harry, meaning harry conquered death by "reversing" the killing curse? hmm?
Also, after that fight, voldemort lost his body and is almost dead. But still he killed harry just before the final battle, so voldemort again becomes it's master.
Or Harry was part Voldemort thanks to the horcruxes so the elder wand could not defeat what is essentially its own master
Karthikeyan T but Voldemort didn't kill Harry. Voldemort killed his Horcrux.
So you see, it didn't work for Voldemort because it belonged to Harry since he was a baby
But Harry willingly LET Voldemort kill him. Similar to Dumbledore's plan, the Power of the Elder Wand would have died with him. Only, he didn't exactly, fully die I guess.
It specifically says in the book that you don't have to kill the previous owner to get the wand, you just have to overpower them. The lust for the Elder Wand though made people kill for it. Gregorvich owned it, it was stolen by Grindlewald, and then forcefully taken by Dumbledore, who must've disarmed him or was just a more powerful wizard. Draco then overpowers Dumbledore, via disarming him. Voldemort thinks that death is what causes the wand to move on to its new owner, when in fact it's the act of being more powerful. Harry is stronger than Malfoy and therefore earns the wand's allegiance, and conquering death and being even more powerful than Voldemort is not the reason it backfired, it's because the wand knew that its master was not the weakling wielding it, but the powerful wizard fighting against it. Just my theory anyway.
Ollivander says "that you don't have to kill the previous owner to get the wand, you just have to overpower them." it's his opinion, it is not fact. he also says something alng the lines of "whether it needs to pass on by murder I don't know" so he's not sure of anything. He's just guessing. Just like he did while Riddle was interrogating him.
But killing someone does not need to happen, I think during the story of the three brothers, when the wand was stolen, The man didn't need to kill the brother, but he did just to make sure he wouldn't come after him. That in turn led to have death follow the ownership of the wand.
"it's his opinion, it is not fact."
He knows about wand lore, you obviously don't.
yes the wand was stolen from antioch peverell and his throat was slit for good measure. every other wizard/witch who came to possess the wand presumably killed the previous owner as a good measure so the myth kept growing in that you have to commit murder to gain the wands allegiance. ollivander himself tells harry that the blackthorn wand "belonged" to draco. notice the past tense...harry took dracos wand by force without killing him
It would be nice if Harry had raised his wand and fixed Hogwarts like Dumbledore did at Slughorn's house
J: Man, that guy [Voldemort] killed a lot of people.
Me: ...
I have a theory for you to cover, why if the basilisc venom can destroy horcrucses does it not destroy the one in Harry when he is injected with it?
I would argue that it was going to as Harry was poisoned. But since Fawkes healed him it stayed attached to his soul which stayed in the vessel of Harry's body.
that would make since mortal vessels for horcruxes are interesting. they take longer to destroy by such means. this gives fauxe to reverse the venom before it takes full effect
James Bethell because the venom doesn't kill the soul piece, the destruction of the physical container (diary, locket, whatever) beyond the enchantment's ability to repair/survive the attack does. In the case of inanimate objects turning them into a horcrux makes them durable beyond the means of lesser magic or mundane means to harm. In the case of a living horcrux that beings death is the destruction that is required. Harry was healed by Fawkes' tears so he as a vessel was maintained as was the part of Voldemort's soul. I would argue that they did not need the sword to destroy Nagini as she was a living being and anything that could kill her would have worked. After all Harry wasn't especially resistant to harmful spells.
Dumbledore said that only voldemort himself must destroy the horcrux in Harry dummy. In the flash backs.....
+Alex It wasn't that only Voldemort could kill that piece, just that it was the only way to kill it without losing Harry as well, hence Dumbledore said Voldemort must kill it, because it was the only way to have a living Harry.
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Want if it's all just a movie/book SPOILER ALERT it is!
Don't know why everyone was so obsessed with the elder wand..surely the time turner was a way more powerful item?!
A powerful wand is easier than having to use logic to work out when to travel to in order to solve a problem without being seen. I agree, the time turner is super underrated... but it takes brainwork unlike the elder wand so it's less desirable.
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Time Turner is much more powerful but also has much worse consequences for its user and the world. It's just not worth it.
Time turner is much powerful but it is more unpredictable
Because the time turner doesnt actually change what happens. You just end up helping things happen the way they happened.
The entire point was that you didn't need to kill the person. That's why killing Snape didn't work!
The fact that people thought they had to kill people again showing Voldemort's lack of understanding of other powerful magic.
I once again feel like reading the books disproves these theories...
Amelle Kyre You had to utterly defeat them, which is accomplished by death. It's not called the Death Stick for no reason. Grindlewald _stole_ the wand, as far as we know he didn't win it by defeating Gragoravitch, who was it's actual master and Voldemort defeated him... by killing him. If all you had to do was disarm the owner of the wand, I'm pretty sure a lot more people would have been it's master before everything, and a Voldemort probably would have happened before his grandparents were out of dippers.
Killing Snape didn't work because he was never close to being it's master in the first place. It's master had been long dead by HPHBP (i assume it's around this point in time Gragoravitch was killed) happened. It kind of does require killing. Voldemort didn't understand how it worked, therefore he never realised he had been it's master since he killed Gragoravitch. Even if he did it wouldn't have mattered, Harry had been pretty much actively defeating/killing him since he was 11. Harry basically defeated Voldemort for 7 years, so when he finally became master the wand was basically like "Hell no you dead, Ima be with this kid"
Dewie Blue It's called the Death Stick not because you had to kill the person but because People did Kill for it over it, over and over again. It was the whole point of the misunderstanding. You didn't need to defeat someone utterly just needed to defeat them somehow the wand is the one who decides what is permissible as defeat.
Dewie Blue It didn't work because Draco darmed Dumbledore in the first place before Snape killed him.
Harry didn't even actually kill Voldemort.
Again the point being that you didn't actually need to kill the person.
"The wand choses the wizard, it's not always clear why."
It's all in the books. It's the entire point, that you didn't need to kill the person. That's just misrepresentation of the wand. They show it with other wands as well.
Again if you ready the books it's all in there
Amelle Kyre How did he not kill Voldemort?
Dewie Blue Technically Voldemort killed himself, all Harry used was Expelliarmus. It was Voldemorts own curse that rebounded on himself once again.
I can see where you are coming from the fact that Voldemort killed Grigorovich, but it wasn't a dual with the elder wand, he just killed him. And at the end, Harry is more alive and defeated death unlike Voldemort at that point. What if the entire time, since Antioch Peverell lost it, the wand had no true master, or even if the wand really chose Peverell to begin with. Maybe he was just very powerful too, like you said about Dumbledore and Voldemort, and have said in the video about the veil, how the brothers must have been extremely powerful to be able to create them, and believed the wand was his, but the wand never really chose him. At that point, it would just be like any other wand in Ollivander's wand shop, just waiting to find the wizard it wants to chose, and eventually it finds it way to Harry and chooses him. All the other wizards that have had it, knew what it was, but has never been able to fully control it because the wand chooses the wizard, as Ollivander always says.
Harrythe true Master of the Elder Wand whenever Voldemort killed him.😉
It doesn't have to be a duel with that specific wand, If I remember correctly, you just have to defeat them.
TakeALilPill yeah because the first time the wand switched owners the man was killed in his sleep and not a duel and the wand still switched ownership
Kye Alexander would the death count as defeat? idk
TakeALilPill must do?
Quick theory: Neville Longbottum was the final owner of the elder wand. Let's assume you need not only disarm but defeat the previous owner as well. So snape owned the elder wand defeating dumbledore who was only disarmed by Draco. Then when Voldemort slits snapes throat he command nagini to kill Severus. So this assuming that somehow a snake could be the owner of the elder wand. Then Neville kills nagini making him the true and final owner of the elder wand. Could be far fetched but an interesting thought
Interesting~!!! But actually, the REAL owner of the wand will always be Antioch Peverell because he possessed the wand until he died and the person who stole it from him didn't win any fight either but killed him instead. So actually the wand resisted all of the others because his true master has always been Antioch Peverell and no one else. A powerful wand like that can still survive and work for whoever uses it, but will never perform or belong to any of them~
Well... defeat doesn't always mean "win in a fight." Antioch was killed and thus defeated. His throat was slit by the thief who promptly stole the wand. Killing = Defeating.
DUMBLEDORE WAS NEVER THE MASTER OF THE WAND !!! and plus does Killing your Horcruxes counts as Disarming and i think HARRY WAS THE MASTER OF THE ELDER WAND !!!
The books really prove you wrong here, a huge plot point is that dumbledores death was planned, AKA snape never defeated dumbledore
This is extremely far-fetched and probably not even true but I love it!!! Am I the only one who wants to see a drawing of a cute little snake playing with the elder wand while everyone else looks terrified? No one?
I just came here cuz I realized one thing watching another of your videos, Dumbledore has to be the master of the elder wand because he repairs Hagrid's wand just like Harry did with his. Hagrid gets his wand broken but later, in the books, harry thinks that Hagrid's wand is hidden in his umbrella (good catch Harry). I doubt that in that umbrella are just the 2 pieces, just because Dumbledore was the one who gave "them" back and having the elder wand gives him the power to repair the wand so, why don't? We see in TCS that having a "slightly" broken wand can even make a spell bounce back to you. I don't imagine that a fully broken wand can be used and i highly doubt that Dumbledore could give a dangerous tool to someone like Hagrid. 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
what if you gave it james who owned ilvermoroney
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I wondered why Hagrid’s wand still worked, where Ron’s and Harry’s didn’t once they were broken. Ron had to replace his, while Harry repaired his with the Elder Wand.
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Congrats, your on the harry potter wiki, here's the passage:
"A fan theory by SuperCarlinBrothers indicates a possible different reason for the Elder Wands loyalty. The theory proclaims that Grindelwald was never master of the Elder Wand because he failed to kill Gregorovich during stealing it. This would explain why he failed to defeat Dumbledore with it as it was "a wand that must always win duels for its owner". The theory goes on to hypothesis that Dumbledore was never its master either but, after killing Gregorovich, Voldemort was. This means Draco was never its master either which, by extension, means Harry also was not. Yet, the Elder Wand resisted Voldemort due to it being "a wand worthy of a wizard who had conquered death", which, as Dumbledore pointed out, Voldemort was not due to his outlandish efforts to avoid dying at all costs. Dumbledore had stated that the true Master of Death understands that death it unavoidable and embraces mortality. When Harry let the Elder Wand "kill" him, and returned from the dead, the Elder Wand recognised Harry as a wizard who had truly conquered death and became loyal to him."
Did you write that there?
no. I just found it there... I copied and pasted it to show the passage.
Scence Harry killed Voldemort couldn't he have made a horcrux
I feel like SCB is putting out HP theories just to spite JK.
Boglenight why ?
Boglenight or cause Fantastic beast and where to find them is coming out soon
Boglenight Or maybe bc they love Harry Potter? :)
nah, the author is dead
C Muse Um no she's not
Who remembers the awkward moment when Harry Potter jumps out of Hagrids arms.
Juliet Abbey j
Pepperidge farms remembers.
Haha,
How was it awkward
WelcomeEndyMion 37 yes thank you. I was going to ask that.
new theory: ron is the true master of The Elder Wand
Ron ultimately "defeated" Harry in the Game of Love ( Hermione )... unless the insinuations that she was cheating him with Harry [in the non-canon "fanfix" of the book "The Cursed Child" ] are true.
FALSEHOOD!!!
How
Draco is the 17th staircase in Hogwarts
Argamis (SilverComet) Harry wasn’t in love with Hermione so how did ron defeat Harry if there was no contest
Voldemort wasn't actually 1/8 at the end. He was actually 1/128.
Each time he split his soul in half, which means that it is actually half of a half of a half of a half of a half of a half of a half.
OR 1/2^7
OR 1/128.
wizards don't use math lol
qjdivina That explains my grades😂
So there was more Voldemort in Harry Potter (being him the sixth horcrux and though having 1/64 of his soul) than in Voldemort himself?
but that's just a theory, a film theo- oh wrong channel
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But that's just a theory...A FILM THEO- whoops wrong channel
Charlie English nice one !
LOVE that channel :D
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Charlie English yup, wrong channel indeed.
You should do a video on the theory that Harry actually has more Voldermort in him then Voldermort does. This is because the act of creating a Horcrux means you are taking the soul that is currently living in your body and splitting it in two and storing that piece in an object. It said in the books that most wizards would only do this once, resulting in a 2-part soul (one from the original and one split) and since the now separated soul can't be reattached or touched (unless the wizard feels remorse about what they have done) it is fair to say that only ½ of the original soul is still in the body. This means that the next Horcrux the wizard would make would be made out of ½ of the ½ a soul he has left or ¼ of his whole soul. The next would be ½ of ½ of ½ or 1/8 of their original soul and so on decreasing exponentially. This means that the Horcrux in harry, being the 6th Horcrux made, contains 1/64 of Voldermorts soul (2^-6). And the part inside Voldermort (now split into 8th with 7 external pieces and with 1 remaining) contains 1/256 of his original whole soul (2^-8). This would mean that Harry has 3/256 more of Voldermorts soul in him then Voldermort does.
The fraction of the amount of soul that each object contains also correlates with how “powerful” they are and how hard it was to destroy. For example, the diary, which was the first Horcrux made and contains ½ of the original soul, is shown to cause the most damage, since it causes the opening the chamber of secrets and nearly takes on a corporal form. The diary is shown to more powerful than any of the others. Next is the ring (1/8) that causes permanent damage to Dumbledore’s hand. Then the locket (1/16) that influenced and gained information on the wearer. And once you get to Harry (1/64) you can see that he is nowhere near as powerful as the earlier Horcruxes that contained more of Voldermorts soul.
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I may be missing something here but, if the wand never loses a duel, *then how does it get passed on?!?* Don't you have to die?!
OneGuyTheGoat good point but no you just have to disarm them
By killing the owner outside of a duel, most masters of the elder wand where killed in their sleep.
impossible thing to do - if the wand is meant to "win duels for his (rightful) owner" then disarming his owner is impossible ... since beeing disarmed for sure is the second most evident way of loosing a duel; right after beeing killed ... ...
@@stefanbork3326 the wand is just a wand and isn't much help in a fist fight. Besides, death was bitter that the three brothers had cheated him, so made it only to be unbeatable in duels to give the man a quick death when he started boasting.
There's always the element of surprise
It is said that in the Deathly Hallows, that Death himself created the Elder Wand, so what if its Death himself that aIds Harry in the final duel? After all Death comes to us all no matter how long that is he will be waiting to claim those he seeks and Voldemort has tried to conquer Death for 17 years but with all his Horcrux's finally destroyed Death can finally claim the one person hes been after for so long, he finally claims Voldemort when Harry kills him. Also i think that what greets Harry when he "dies" IS not actually Dumbledore, i think that it actually Death in the disguise of Dumbledore, Death-bledor is impressed by Harry's bravery to sacrafice his life for his firends but ultimately hes really there to tell Harry its not his alloted time to die yet and basically allows him to return to back to life to face his destiny and furfull the prophecy, also its through use of the Resurrection Stone also created by Death in the Deathly Hallows Tale that hes able to see Remus, SIrus and Lily and James, furthering my Death theory here. Of course i may be wrong here but i think it seems to fit :)
Well that's a pretty cool theory.
What if it's both? "Dumbledore is become Death" (or "Death is become Dumbledore")..
What if Harry was a vessel for death and that was the reason that Harry was able to kill Voldemort with a disarming spell. When Malfoy disarmed Dumbledore at the astronomy tower in the Half-Blood Prince, Dumbledore was just disarmed but when Voldemort was disarmed he basically evaporated. With Harry as a vessel for death though, the spell could have been fatal by intervention of death. This is completely far-fetched but still a theory
Yes but when Malfoy was disarming Dumbledore, Dumbledore wasn't shooting the killing curse at Malfoy.
Voldemort was killed by his own rebounded spell.
prigg88 ooooooh right.
Hmmm.... I rarely ever disagree with you on these, but I think in this case I don't totally follow you. Your basic argument means that Voldemort was right and you *do* have to kill the previous owner of the elder want to possess it, as Voldemort killed Gregorovitch.
But Harry didn't kill Voldemort, or at least not all of him, and not on his own. I mean, Neville killed Nagini and that 1/8 of Voldemort, and then Ron did his part too... heck, Voldemort even killed part of himself when he killed Harry. So, wouldn't that mean they *all* have a rightful share in the wand's power? Was Harry only getting part of the wand's power beyond its surface power? Can it have multiple true owners at once? If Neville had used the wand, would he have been a part-owner of its deeper magic, too? I dunno, this theory brings up an awful lot of questions.
I personally rather liked J.K.'s original explanation, actually. The qualifier that it can't lose a duel came from the legend of the three brothers, which we know wasn't literally true. Maybe it's just because I'm a pacifist and I like the idea that the transfer of the wand's power doesn't require murder, but I think I lean towards the original explanation on this one.
same
I actually liked his theory and was thinking about adopting it because when I first read the book I found JK's explanation quite weak and had to read it several times to accept it. So anyway... I watched the video and it made sense at first, but then I remembered that maybe the wand never even had a true master after the original owner. I mean, it was stolen! the brother was killed while sleeping and the wand was stolen. So there's that. He was murdered yeah, but the wand was never conquered, so maybe the true power of the wand died with him.
+Elis Regina Beltram Hm... interesting theory. I do wonder about J's point that Harry fixed his normal wand, which would've required the wand's "advanced powers". It's been a long time since I read the last book, actually, so I don't remember exactly what the book said about this.
I dunno, I guess I kind of stand behind Rowling's original plot on this one, but if the wand only needs to be stolen, then that does leave open the scary possibility that someone could find wherever Harry disposed of it and use its powers for evil still...
I love that these stories are so open to intense theorizing, though. I think that's part of what keeps us so interested after all these years. (Always ;) )
u ended all the doubts.......
ur theory is perfect.....case closed fellas✌
coz no one defeated the brother and was not even disarmed......
But then how would Harry have fixed his normal wand?
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The grindelwald thing has been killing me for years so I'm inclined to agree with you.
It was probably Death’s back up plan by trying to make Antioch magically killed (Avada Kedavra).
I must disagree, because in the first place, Harry did not kill Voldemort. In fact, I think that it was Voldemort's Avada Kedavra curse backfiring on himself that finished him off. I agree on some parts, especially about Draco never being master of the Elder wand, but I believe that Dumbledore, during his lifetime, wielded the Elder wand with its full allegiance. Gregorovitch did own the wand, yes, but it was stolen from him by Grindelwald. At this point, I might be breaking the rules of the Elder wand as stated in the books. Right about now, I am possibly making another theory about Elder wand. I believe, that, by Ollivander's statements that "the wand chooses the wizard" must mean that wands have some degree of consciousness. The Elder wand, being the most powerful wand, must then have a higher degree of consciousness compared with the others. So, it may have abilities such as discerning speech and more (please ever forgive my ludicrous mind). I am therefore proposing that the Elder wand does know that it is powerful, therefore mere acts such as physically stealing or simply disarming would have made a great deal of difference, causing the wand to turn its back on its current owner and look to a new one. So, Grindelwald was a master, and if my earlier statement was applied, then Dumbledore must be too. But, that fateful night atop the Astronomy tower when Dumbledore was killed, Draco Malfoy disarmed Dumbledore, which must mean that he became a master of the Elder wand. But, I then agree with the video that because the killing of Dumbledore and the disarming of the Elder wand by Draco Malfoy was planned, then Draco did not become a master of the wand. So, during the time that Dumbledore was buried with the Elder wand, the wand remained dormant. This had already happened before, if I'm not mistaken, as stated in the Tales of Beedle the Bard. So, like before, the wand mustn't have faltered. It remained dormant until the day Voldemort paid a visit to steal the Elder wand. The wand had no owner until then, but when Voldemort took the wand for himself, it gave its allegiance to him. But, then again, I agree with the video when it said that Voldemort wasn't able to fully access the wand's power because his soul had been split to create Horcruxes. And then, of course, the wand transfered its allegiance to Harry when Voldemort died because he disarmed him. But of course, I'm only twelve, so I am not downright sure if this theory fits well with the story's plot.
Satin Potter Maybe also because the want recognized Harry as also it's master (cause you know, Harry was a horcrux?) just a more powerful one? Like, "Hey, this guy's pretty strong, but that kid? He's got the same vibe as this guy and, oh wait, he just died. Damn. Well, I guess that this guy is my master and hOLY CRAP THE CUTER ONE IS ALIVE? Also, this guy doesn't have the same reading as the boy. He's my real master." Did I just write internal dialogue for a wand? Yes, yes I did.
Satin Potter Lol I was reading this and the wand sounded like a total player in my head.
Wand: Ohh you seem like a strong wizard
*shenanigans happen*
Wand: BYE BYE SUCKA IMMA GONNA GO FIND SOMEONE ELSE NOW
*cycles repeat until Harry comes along*
Lol this totally makes the Elder Wand seem like the best player in the wizardry world
The Fire King, Harry WAS a horcrux. The horcrux inside him was destroyed in the forbidden forest remember? b4 the final battle
UltraGhostRider I know, I said that. Reread my comment.
If someone kicks you their soccer ball, and you kick it into their goal, you're still the one who made the goal.
I'm not ready for this
jk here we go
yes you are
Eva nice pun
🎶 I'm ready for this there's no denying 🎶
I don't get it
#TheWandChoosesTheWizird Harry overcame death and became the true master of the elder wand
Gokussgreen wizard* sorry but I do agree
But why thrown it away?
Bruhits Robles Because Harry never seeked power. He was happy with his old wand itself. He could have chosen the elder wand but instead he chooses his old wand. Also Harry doesn't want to pass the knowledge of having Elder wand.
But a lot of people know that Harry is the master of the elder wand. He said it in front of a lot of people! Many of them death eaters!
Gokussgreen I agree he overcame death but that is when he was a kid when Voldy tried to killed him but failed or when he face death on the Dark Forest with Voldemort and that is like conquering Death by facing death.
I find the Elder Wand's chain of custody in the books very credible and true-to-life. Stupid and seemingly inconsequential turns of events do change outcomes. One of the points of the story is that it's not only the grand actions that matter; the details do, too, and Voldemort's demise depends, at least in part, on the disregard the great and powerful pay to the seemingly mundane or trivial.
i thought we covered this in the last book/movies you *DO NOT* need to kill the last owner. only disarm them. in that sense the elder wand is no different than any other wand.
chase1146 Voldemort wouldn't just disarm Snape, he's not the 'Expelliarmus, now be on your way, my merry fellow' type of guy. If Snape was no use to him, he would've got rid of him no thought given. I think it's unnecessary he had to die, but also kinder because otherwise he would've spent a lifetime mourning over Lily. Speaking of which, did you read the Cursed Child? I can't remember why Snape didn't die. I remember Cedric killed Neville, thus preventing him from killing Nagini.
Amber Shoffren no i have not read cursed child. but on topic,snape was never master of the elder wand. he doesnt have a part in this. if you only have to disarm the person then it still would have gone the way things would have in the books.
chase1146 Ah shit. Spoiler alert.
Amber Shoffren dont worry man. i really dont care about it. if i had any intentions on reading the cursed child i would have already
True, but the fact is, from what we learned, Grindlewald just stole it from Gregorvitch. Grindlewald never actually won the wand. So... this video is correct, it just went in a very weird way to get there.
Just a curious thought, one to perhaps make you think beyond just the changing of hands the Elder Wand went through. The Elder Wand is a set of 3 items, the Deathly Hallows; Ring, Cloak, Wand. The 'lore' behind the wand was that it went to the strongest wizard. Fancy words aside, the wand went to the wizard who won the duel. If I remember correctly, however, Death made the Wand and GAVE it to one of the Peverell Brothers...so if the allegiance goes to the one who WON the duel, then Death should have always been the Master. We know that's not the case, as it was reported on how powerful the wand was for Antioch, as he was the Master of the Wand. It is TOLD, i.e. word of mouth (ever play the game Telephone?) that the allegiance went from person to person, but what if the allegiance stayed with Antioch, to be passed down through the bloodline? After all, it was a gift from Death, I doubt Death would be so frivolous as to allow just any powerful wizard to have such control. As far as it is known, Antioch's direct bloodline perhaps ended as we don't know if he ever sired children, so the Master of the Wand would go to the next, oldest surviving blood relative, which if you go by the hints, was also possibly Voldemort; Gaunts being a descended, because of the Ring being in the family for centuries, of Cadmus, who was one of the brothers, same bloodline (familial). So that would mean every person who had the wand, was never TRULY the Master of the Wand, which explains why it changed hands so much.
Now, why did the wand resist Voldemort if he was supposed to be the Master of the Wand as the oldest, Peverell bloodline relative? Well, I think it more had to do with genetics. The Potters had a fairly clean family tree, meaning, no inbreeding. So the bloodline, in that aspect was Pure. Peverell blood down through each generation. By the time the Gaunts come around, we don't know how many...bends back in the tree those branches go, which while it seems like it should make the bloodline stronger, I would think thins it out more. I'm not a Biology expert by any means, but we are also dealing with magic; it's shown that the Purebloods (i.e. no Muggle blood) are weaker magically....and in some cases IQ....because of inbreeding. If Magic is somehow tied to genetics, then as the blood thins, the magic weakens. Add in the whole bit of Voldemort splitting his soul, and he has less chance of being a Peverell relation now, and the wand, sensing a stronger connection to the bloodline it was GIVEN to, aligned with that individual. Which is why Harry was Master of the Wand.
^.^ Of course, as with any thought, it's all speculation, theories, and guesses, but I hope you enjoyed my little walk through the how. I wouldn't mind feedback.
S. LaPrad well
I'm too lazy to read all of that xD
I think it is a good theory. It certain pulls in a lot of information we have on genetics and bloodlines. I think the only thing you have to keep in mind is that many believe death never actually gave the brothers anything, that the myth was created after the great magic the brothers had done (like Johny Appleseed) although a genetic argument could still be made because another of the hallows is passed on threw the family, the cloak. And if I remember reading somewhere the resurrection stone was actually the stone in tom riddle's ring that was passed down in his mother's family (that he got from killing them) that would make 2 out of 3 family heirlooms which would make a strong case for the 3rd being one as well
Emily Nitschke thanks, I was thinking of doing a fanfic with this in it, as there are so many different paths that could've been.
Dude, Voldemor was also a descendent of the Prevell family.
Bedrock and MasterMasterGaming Yes as I said the Gaunts in my message, were a descendant. Dude. >.
I think that whole Elder Wand path is just sloppy writing...
Sloppy writing leading to even worse fan theories.
Yes Dumbledore planned on losing to Malfoy so that Malfoy wouldn't have to kill him BUT Dumbledore DIDN'T plan on Malfoy disarming him. Hence why the eldar wand switched allegiance to Malfoy the last minute.
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I think The reason that the elder wand didn’t work is because at that point, both with the horcrux and with the blood Voldemort took from Harry, it’d make them the same person pretty much. So they both technically own the elder wand.
You could argue that Voldemort defeated and killed Dumbledore. Dumbledore was slowly dying from the curse Voldemort placed on the Ressurection Stone. He would not have committed assisted suicide otherwise.
I think that the elder wand doesn't belong to anyone because the stories tell that the elder brother was murdered while sleeping and not in a fight so the man who stole the wand didn't get his full power as well
maybe the wand doesnt care. maybe it has no sense of honor and doesnt care that it was a sneak attack in his sleep, just that "yup, you killed my master. you are now my master"
or maybe you are right BUT the wand clearly has at least some power left bcause harry used it to repair his own wand. maybe it recharged because it was in the hands of someone who conquered death? maybe if it becomes "masterless" it becomes owned by the next person who owns it but watered down tot he point that when harry got it, it was abnormally powerful but wasn't the invincible juggernaut it was centuries ago? a sword that hasn't bee honed and sharpened over the years. no upkeep. rusted. but still the finest quality piece of rust on the planet.
I know this is late but actually in the story the elder brother is disarmed in his sleep and THEN murdered:)
lmao "recharged" i died
tbh I think this is much more likely to be it. The extraordinary power of the wand isn't really given over.
Maybe the wand in fact isn't that great of a wand, just a pretty good one, but nowhere near what it is described at, which would make even more sense. Like mentioned in HP all the time, the Wand chooses the wizard, it's not really won over, and even if you lose a battle you don't nessecarily lose the alliegance of the wand, because as we know e.g. Snapes wand isn't suddenly owned by Harry, even though he disarmed Snape in the Shrieking hut in the 3rd movie, at least nothing indicates it. Considering they do fight in the 6th book/movie, if harry actually was the master of snapes wand, wouldn't he have won there?
Harry never tries to repair his wand eather, since Hermine already said she tried and it's impossible, so maybe he could have done it, if he actually believed it to be possible.
Death *GAVE* the elder brother the wand, and if we learned anything from the resurrection stone, Death would not just hand over the most powerful wand. Well, technically he did, but as it would be safe to assume that Death did not hand over all the power. All along, the power could've been holding back until the next Master of Death, in which it would actually be stolen or won, and, as it is a common tale in the wizarding world, the whole thing is probably going to have some exaggeration, at the least. But hey, that's just a theory!
These theories get better and better. I'm accepting this one as canon.
Interesting. I've always had an issue with that whole Harry-disarmed-Malfoy-so now-he's-the master-of-the-elder-wand thing. At hogwarts, students are disarming each other left, right and center. By that logic, wands are always changing their allegiance. Which then raises the question 'Is any one actually the true owner of their original wand?' But this theory makes a lot more sense.
aronoel25 the elder wand is different u dumbass
Theory: The wand passed to Dumbledore and then he was defeated by the magical defense of the Gaunt ring. He was going to die. Voldemort's magic killed him. Then when Harry destroyed a horcrux. He dealt a mortal blow to Voldemort. And thus won the wand.
yeah, but the wands would not change allegiance through some weak "capitulatuses" that students practice on each other... thats not real dueling. When you actually mean it, then it is possible, but actually im sure there has to happen more to it, to change its owner...
The student dueling is mock combat and after being disarmed the student simply picks it up again. Also, a borrowed wand (or stolen) is never as effective as one that picked its owner (or owns its picker, lol) which is repeated time and again in the series.
Before his death Dumbledore was weak and the elder wand change legions to Draco(overpowering Dumbledore). Draco wand change legions because Draco already have more powerful wand(the elder one). After Harry repair his wand and destroy the elder one again Draco origilan wand change legions back to Draco because Harry's wand is more powerful.
Technically he defeated Death in Chamber of Secrets with the help of Fawkes.
And in the Forbidden Forest with the help of Voldemort.
i think their were only 3 masters of the Elder wand. The oldest brother who create them. Death who the oldest brother utimately demands. And Harry who defeated death by arises from the dead.
But Dumbledore did wield it. Theory: The wand passed to Dumbledore and then he was defeated by the magical defense of the Gaunt ring. He was going to die. Voldemort's magic killed him. Then when Harry destroyed a horcrux. He dealt a mortal blow to Voldemort. And thus won the wand.
yeah but if we're accepting theories, there also the theory that dumbledore was/represents death, in which case the statement that only harry, death, and the brother are the only owners since dumbledore is death.
but theories aside, this video is assuming dumbledore was just awesome, which he was, elder wand or no. he did OWN the want, but that doesn't make him the master, similar to how voldemort owned it but wasnt the master.
Which would make sense, since he won against grindlewald when he was supposed to be the master of that wand.
Actually smart thought, makes sense
The elder wand has been written as a strong wand; not an unbeatable one. Not to even mention that there is a hint that Grindelwald might have surrendered.
Well it's a good thing that the wand doesn't change allegiance simply by being disarmed. Imagine being in a mock duel and losing the wand over it ?
Wait... if you're the master of the Elder wand then you actually wouldn't lose ?
ikr, harry actually disarms snape in 3rd movie and it's not even a mock battle, woulda be pretty depressing if he had it. And wouldn't Lockhard have lost his wand to snape too. And do you win over all the wands they had? I bet Snape won quiet some fights too, so all of those are now harrys wands? :D Sounds ishy.. In the end I think "The wand chooses the wizard Harry" is the most true phrase on that topic. It's not about you winning or not, rather about the wand considering you unworthy of wielding it and considering the other worthy.
LunnarisLP Rowling actually clears that up. Intent matters, you have to intend to win the wand in order for it to let you, mock duels aren’t real, therefore the wand doesn’t care about who overpowers who, unless they intend to take the other person’s wand.
A lot of wands change allegiance like that. It depens on the wand, remember that they're semi-sentient and have all different "personalities".
I think this is the intention of Death to be able to take the ownership of the EW easily so that it will be taken away from the Peverell brother ASAP as his real intention is to collect their souls ASAP since they were not supposed to be living after they avoided death and that I think is the nature of Death to seek death to those whose time is up in the mortal world. Remember how he also tricked the other peverell with the resurrection stone.
Yet Draco's wand, Bellitrix's wand, Wormtail's Wand do change allegiance in the battle at Maloy Manor
the wand chooses the wizard ya know
THIS ^ !!!!
When my family went to universal a wand fell on my mom's head but she decided to get another one 😂😂😂
Mandy Mckennah lol noooooo! It CHOSE you!!!
Mandy Mckennnah It was a sign. You might be the child of a witch.
Yes!!!!
I have had this theory for years and even though I agree that the elder wand was transferred from Gregorovitch to Voldemort, I don't think the reason Harry defeated Voldemort was that the horcruxes were destroyed. The thing is that Voldemort is not undefeated, in fact Harry defeats him several times through the years (for an example when Lily and James dies), meaning Harry have been the master of the elder wand ever since he was one year old.
Except Voldemort didn't kill Gregorovitch until Deathly Hallows.
no offense, but I don't like this theory. The entire point of the elder wand is that it cannot be beaten, so yeah, Harry would've lost that final duel, even if they had been dueling on skill alone as Voldemort suggests I think he still would've lost, Voldemort is just way to powerful. I do agree that it's weird that Dumbledore was able to beat Grindelwald when he was the master of the wand, but we have literally NO idea what happened in that fight, maybe Dumbledore knew that he had the elder wand and tricked him, beat him without magic, took away the wand somehow, we don't know, so we can't make assumptions. It is a little shady that Grindelwald got the power from stealing the wand, but the point is you have to best them or beat them, it never says in combat, by taking it against his will he effectively bested Gregorovitch, thereby getting it.
if point of that wand is it can't be beaten is how oldest peverell lose it`? or just no one was master of it until harry
He was killed while sleeping if I remember correctly. Your wand kinda doesn't help against a knife cutting your neck while you sleep, does it?
Grinder wall let dbledore win they were emotionally tied...lol?
BAD W0LF CORPORATION well in the book, Grindelwald tells Voldemort that “I never had it” maybe he was telling the truth and he never actually was in control of the elder wand!
I completely agree
the wand chooses the wizard remembe, you can't just rely on technicalities....
remember *
Yes, that is exactly my take on it!
This theory was awesome, but that sentence you typed makes even more sense to me.
I'm still convinced the original path was the way it went. Though, I believe I recall Harry magically disarming Draco at some point after Draco disarmed Dumbledore, which is why Harry is the master of the elder wand in the end.
Consider this. What if the elder wand lies outside wand lore? What if the elder wand shows loyalty to those who possess Peverall blood? The wand may have betrayed Grindelwald because Dumbledore may be more closely related to the Peverell family than Grindelwald. If the elder wand is a family heirloom and shows more loyalty to someone who possesses more family blood, then maybe it never bonded to Voldemort because he had so very little of his soul left. In addition Harry possessed two other deathly hallows which are also inheritances from the Peverell family. This would mark him and prove to the wand that he has a stronger blood bond to the magical item and therefore the wand would obey Harry over Voldemort
It was well reasoned on the whole, but it is disconsidering 2 main points, you might find that my reasoning is flawed, so if you want to contact me and discuss about it I would very much like it.
The first one is that the powers of the deathly hallows are greatly exagerated with the exception of the cloak, with some limitations, and thinking about it, even the sorcerer's stone was exagerated.
Let's start with the sorcerer's stone just to set a precedent. "The ancient study of alchemy is concerned with making the Sorcerer’s Stone, a legendary substance with astonishing powers. The stone will transform any metal into pure gold. It also produces the Elixir of Life, which will make the drinker immortal."[Extract from Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone, Chapter 13: Nicholas Flamel] there is the first exageration, and from a library book that is used for academic purposes, if the elixir of life makes someone inmortal that would mean that you would only have to drink it once, what it really does is extend life, and if the drinker keep drinking it forever it could be said that the drinker is immortal, but more than once in the series it is stated that if you stop drinking it, you would eventually die, so its powers are overstated from that point.
Let's continue with the resurrection stone, because even in the tales of Beedle the Bard there is evidence of its flaws "Though she had returned to the mortal world, she did not truly belong there and suffered." [Harry Potter and the deathly Hallows, chapter 21: The Tale of The Three Brothers] and later on when Harry and Hermione argue about the power of the stone, he mentions what happened in the graveyard of Little Hangleton when his and Voldemort's Wands connect and the latter starts regurgitating it's spells in last to previous order, resurecting the victims of Avada Kedrava among other things, he theorizes that the power of the stone might do something simillar, let's compare how it is described with when Harry calls his parents, Sirius and Lupin back to life using the powers of the stone "... and then something much larger began to blossom from Voldemorts wand tip, a great, grayish something, that looked as though it were made of the solidest, densest smoke… was it a ghost? it looked so solid..." [Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, Chapter 33: The Death Eaters]; "They were neither ghost nor truly flesh, he could see that. They resembled most closely the Riddle that had escaped from the diary so long ago, and he had been memory made nearly solid. Less substantial than living bodies, but much more than ghosts,..." [Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Chapter 34: The Forest again] the first case was much less intense, but we can´t forget that it was just accidental magic, so the effects could not be as strong, but in both cases there was a way to bring back shadows or memories of the dead but it wasn't really bringing people back from the dead, as the name states
Now let´s see how Xenophillius Lovegood describes the cloak: "We are talking about a cloak that really and truly renders the wearer completely invisible, and endures eternally, giving constant and impenetrable concealment, no matter what spells are cast at it." [ Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Chapter 21: The Tale of he Three Brothers]. Endures eternally, check, even Ron Realises that stopping to think about it as the cloak wasn't new, as invisibility cloaks normally go it should really be opaque by now, and the key point of the second part of the definition is "... no matter what spells are cast at it." part, because we can only see times that it fails by non-magical means, like when Harry is throwing mud on Crabbe, Goile and Malfoy outside the shrieking shack in Prisoner of Azkaban, when Harry Sneak in Malfoy's Cabin on the train in Half-blood Prince or in deathly Hallows when Peeves is throwing Snargaluff Pods in everyone and the cloak is covered by its juices, to mention some, and when Harry, Ron and Hermione get to Hogsmeade and the death Eaters try to summon the invisibility cloak and fail in Deathly Hallows was deliberately written that way to show us beyond any doubt that the cloak was really a Hallow and to prove that point. Obviously J. K. Rowling noticed the examples that I have just given and thought of a way to go around it.
So, I cannot recall any refferences that you haven't mentioned in the video of the flaws of the wand, but I am inclined to Dumbledore's point of view that the Hallows were really created by the Peverell Brothers and that the tale of them being given to them by death was just it, a tale revolving such wonderful magical artifacts (in the end of the day it's all fiction anyway), and let's remember how the tale of the 3 brothers describes them "... the oldest brother, who was a combative man... the second brother, who was an arrogant man... The youngest brother was the humblest and also the wisest of the brothers..." [Ibid]. So it shows that the 2 oldest brothers are actually the kind of people that would exagerate the power of their own creations, so saying that it was an unbeatable wand was just an exageration, and the powers of the cloak was just the closest to its description because the third brother was "the humblest" of the three, and even thinking about it, his better description would be the least arrogant because considering that the tale was partially true inside that universe and that there was really three brothers and that the two older brothers ultimately died because of their own creations, one being murdered for it and the other commiting suicide being driven mad by it, who spread the story that got into Beedle's ears all distorted? or even created the therm Deathly Hallows? the only person that was present and could account for all three objects, the third brother who died of old age.
ok, that is my first point, a little long, I know, but the second is way shorter. Going back to the point that the Elder Wand was actually a wand crafted by a really skillful wandmaker, so all the laws of wandlore would apply to it, so, the whole "the wand chooses the wizard" [Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Chapter 24: The Wandmaker et al] apply and as Olivander says, a wand's allegiance could shift if one wizard overpowers its current owner when he explains that Draco's Wand is now his and Harry even comments that the way that Ollivander talks about wands is like they are sentient (take note of this part), and Ollivander also says that in his opinion you don't have to kill the previous owner to gain true ownership of the Elder Wand, that it only has famously been done so because it is such a coveted object.
So, summarizing the path of the Elder Wand: it became to be owned by Gregorovich by unknown means, and then it was stolen by Grindewald, who loses the duel to Dumbledore, who is disarmed by Malfoy (the part of him being disarmed was never planned), and here is where the sentient part comes into play, when Harry told Voldemort that he overpowered Malfoy back in the manor wasn't for Voldemorts ears, but the wand's (ok, wands don't have ears, but my point is that he had to say it in front of the wand for it to work), upon "hearing" what happened and sensing the truth of it, is when the wand really becomes Harry's, let's remember that the wand sort of killed Harry shortly before.
OMG this fits perfectly! Although I think the Elder Wand's allegiance shift not through murder but when the owner is "defeated". I believe Grindlewald never was the true owner because he simply "stole" it from Gregorovich, and never "defeated" him.
Voldemort conquered death too. He kinda got hit by his own avada kedavra and lived sooo
Yes because he created the horcruxes. :)
thesonicecho That's cheating death not conquering it.
david martinez the eldest brother of the deathly hallows cheated death. He was the master of it to its full potential. So in my case cheated and conquer are the same, because harry cheated by using the resurrection stone
Jason Nolasco Harry didn't have the ressurection stone any more when Voldy tried to kill him. He survived because when Voldemort took his blood to get back his body, he literally tied Harry to life (with Lily's protection). I don't want to explain all of it in detail now but in the book it's explained very well, so read it and you'll know why he survived ^^
Itsirisia nvm wasnt it because voldemorts horcrux was in the way?
I don't remember if i saw this on one of your videos, or if it was just on reddit, but i once saw someone say that the elder wand was actually totally irrelevant to the ending, especially in the books.
Voldemort needed a different wand at first because the twin cores between his wands and Harry's seemingly kept him from harming Harry.
But then when he used someone else's wand Harry was still able to deflect his spell on instinct. This was when he began to search for the elder wand.
What Voldemort didnt know was that he was unable to harm Harry because the magic of the horcrux was preventing him from destroying a piece of his own soul.
And while the movie doesn't make this clear, you may recall that in the book the reason why Voldemort's army is so easily defeated after Harry willingly allows himself to be killed is due to the same mysterious magic that protected Harry from Quirrel in the first book.
The Elder Wand (and the Hallows in general) while interesting from a lore perspective were useless macguffins in the story.
I knew what happened right when he says dumbledore "took it" from grindewald
Bc Grendewald stole it and didnt kill the master (gregorovitch)
Hey, I'd take it from Grindewald too.
Just realized, Harry only came back because he was the Master of Death (Dumbledore). He may have dropped the Resurrection Stonel, but it was still his. He may not have had the Elder Wand, but he was still the Master of the Elder Wand. But that's just a theory, a Harry Potter theory.
kristopher barker He was also the owner of the invisibility cloak. I never realize he was the master of all 3 deadly hallow when he died.
i thought that was the only reason he came back.... i mean, what's the other option?
No that's not why... he came back because voldemort only killed the horcrux in Harry and not actual Harry... him being the master of death had nothing to do with it
Harry came back because Voldemort took Harry's blood. The protection that Lily Potter gave Harry lived in his blood, and when Voldemort took it, that protective enchantment was kept alive by Voldemort. Dumbledore says to Harry in Book 7 (Chapter 35, Godric's Hollow), "He took into his body a tiny part of the enchantment your mother laid upon you when she died for you. His body keeps her sacrifice alive, and while that enchantment survives, so do you". Harry does not die when Voldemort hits him with the killing curse this time for the same reason he didn't die as a baby: his mother died to save him and he is protected by her loving act of sacrifice (which is being kept alive in Voldemort).
But yes, Harry was the master of all three deathly hallows at the time of his 'death', making him the master of death. However, "the true master does not seek to run away from Death. He accepts that he must die, and understands that there are far, far worse things in the living world than dying" (Dumbledore, Ch 35, Bk 7). Uniting the hallows does not make you the master of death, being the master of death allows you to unite the hallows. Honestly, other than the title (which the true master could care less about), being the master of death gives you zero benefits. And it certainly doesn't give you the ability to come back from the dead.
kristopher barker that’s just a theory, a film theory.
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I lose sleep at night wondering just what they look like.
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Whenever I use subtitles, everything else is perfect but it writes Voldemort as Baltimore 😂😂😂
Dont u think Dumbledore would have noticed that the Elder Wand was resisting him? We all know he's not stupid... He obviously would have noticed that.
that's why I dont think your theory coudl be true.
I think he did know
He probably did know but wasnt going out of his way to kill anyone to obtain its true power, also I assume that if he is not using its full power it will act just like any other wand so why not keep it as is.
He did know, but knew it was best in his own hands. (Or just wanted it because it"s cool)
Likely also to keep voldamorte looking like a fool thinking that Dumbledore was it's master. but since by the time he even got the wand, most of his soul is basically gone and he can't use the wand to it's full potential either.
The theory isn't true. JO says harry got the wand to be his when he fought with Draco.
Oh almost forgot you have fallen into a mathematical fallacy, just like the wizards did. Considering how arcane the system of knuts, sickles, and galleons is their inability to do math is mind boggling. OK Voldemort created his first horcrux and split his soul in two leaving himself and the diary with half of his original soul. When he created the second he only had half a soul in him to split so each only had a quarter of his original soul while the diary had half. He created a total of 7 horcruxes (including Harry), so by the time of their final confrontation Voldemort only had 1/128 of his original soul not 1/8. This is why no one had created so many, because it would so diminish you.
This is why (in my personal head canon ) Voldemort had a nose in the first film and not in the later ones. He was made inhuman in appearance by the splitting of his soul, but as long as they were intact he and they shared a bond. As soon as the diary (which contained the largest part of his soul at 1/2) was destroyed he lost his nose.
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Darkamora I always assumed that killing ripped a small piece of it, its actual size depending on the evil performed, rather than splitting the soul in two mathematically perfect halves
what the fuck are you smoking mate?
actually 8, since u wld have to include voldermort himself
How did he not split his soul into two every time? The act of murder was not claimed to shave a fragment off of his soul, it says it splits it that it is shatterered. Very specific word split, the primary definition is "To break forcibly into parts, especially into halves", that's the verb, primary noun definition is "a tear, crack or fissure in something especially down the middle."
As a writer J.K. Rowling chooses words with a purpose. Split indicates that the divisions are equal each horcrux takes half of what is left. Her story was too involved for her to not have considered the implication of the language she used.
It would be more odd that the spell to encase the part of the wizard's soul specifically took 1/8 of the soul each time. In the explanation when Tom asks about the Horcruxes he says essentially if splitting your soul into two parts keeps you from dying wouldn't seven parts be even better since seven is a number of power. Slughorn says essentially Seven?!?!? Isn't splitting your soul even one time bad enough? No one had done what he did, they implied that the most anyone had created before was two. No the idea, and the deterioration into something less than human only work if it is half.
It is the creation of the horcruxes that causes his turn into the snake like creature he ended up as. Creating the first two made him paler but more handsome {Diary,Ring), much like a vampire in my opinion, the third, fourth, and fifth (Cup,Locket,Diadem) took it farther so that by the time he returns to Hogwarts he is already less than human looking more serpentine during his interview. The last two (Harry, Nagini) left him almost completely inhuman, especially compared to his 16 year old self from the diary.
It is only his first Horcrux, the diary, that created a physical copy of him from Ginny's life force. Voldemort's actual soul (that possessed Quirrel) couldn't do that, and Quirrel gave himself over more completely than she ever did. Ron was bound so tightly to the locket, gave it so much of his fear, that if it could have done the same it would have. This is because it is the most powerful part of his soul, being half of it. I know the nose in the first movie is because they did not have the visual concept from later in the series, that is why I say it is my headcanon (the mental gymnastics I perform to justify a niggling visual flaw in the movies) that it is the destruction of that largest part of his soul that made him lose his nose, not that I think it really matters.
Going by your theory, if the elder wand was never grindelwald’s that means it would be resisting him, right? So grindelwald was technically handicapped when fighting Dumbledore. Wouldn’t that mean grindelwald is more powerful? After all Dumbledore himself has stated he was only "a shade more skillful" than grindelwald, so what if the only reason Dumbledore was superior is that grindelwald power was being resisted by the elder wand.
The wand chooses the wizard. Wand change legions when the wizard gain more powerful wand, when wizard is dead or when the wizard is weak and it is overpowered.
no in the book it basically says that if the wands allegiance isn't with you it works like a normal wand that is yours would
Stefano S No. I don't think so. If you remember, Voldemort is still kicking ass while the wand is resisting him. I believe that the elder wand is just on the level of a normal wand, if you're not its master
Stefano S Just because someone loses with a handicap doesn't mean they would have won without it. That is if it was a handicap to him to begin with.
No! do not treat the ownership of the EW just like how wand chooses the wizard. actually the EW cannot choose it's owner, the trick is to trick the current owner into losing his wand or the ownership outside Magical Duels, It was not detailed how Dumbledore won that duel with Grindelwald, and we know how manipulative his words using his wisdom and compassion and intelligence. and conquering Death is not conquering death.
"Before you crucify me..." I was about ready to before I read the article 😂😂😂
This fixed so much! Deathly Hallows was always the most poorly written of the series, with camping, coincidences and parselmouth Ron.
Personally, I quite liked Parselmouth Ron. To me, "It's a skill Harry naturally has, but is possible to learn it" is more believable than "Only Harry and Voldemort can EVER speak this language."
Especially given the fact that ALL of the Gaunts could speak Parseltounge. Unlikely if it's purely genetic, perfectly sensible if they're learning it at the same age they're learning English.
cOmAtOrAn I agree I feel like we know that Dumbledore speaks parsletounge. I have always been under the impression that you can learn to speak it but not understand it.
+Lizzie Fleck other way around. dumbledore understood it but couldn't speak it i believe
I really don't see why people hate on the fact that Ron remembers what Harry "said" in parceltongue. It's not written that he now knows parceltongue, yet people write it in their rants about it as if it's stated that way!
Yes but he doesn't "know" parceltongue. He copies what Harry said and i understand the extract you have provided. So in the end he does not know parcel tongue. It's like me knowing how to say hello in multiple languages, doesn't mean I know those languages.
I know I'm late to this but what if the true path of the wand was;
Gregorovitch then Voldemort and then when Voldemort tries to kill baby Harry but instead Harry "defeats/kills" Voldemort that night. So the wand was Harry's since he was a child untill the end.
Except Voldemort didn't know to go after Gregorovitch until the end, after Dumbledore was already dead, and Harry was all grown-up... :-B
That wouldn't work because of Grindelwald and Dumbledore.
That sounds right
voldemort went after harry with his yew wand and not the elder wand
Seamus Mckee he didn't have the wand then
Gregorovic died before the battle of Hogwarts yet the wand was still defying him. It makes no sense at all, even if you take into account your horcrux theory. You don't have to be 100% alive to be the master. Even if Voldemort at that time was 7/8 dead, the body that held the wand was still very much alive.
Also, it was never mentioned anywhere that you have to kill the previous owner. You only have to DEFEAT them. Not even overpower, all it takes is simply disarming the witch or wizard in question and you've won the allegiance of the elder wand.
Apparently all it takes is snatching ANY old wand that belongs to the owner of the Elder Wand (see: Harry taking Draco's wand physically and somehow becoming the elder wands owner). Dont even need magic, just ounch that sucker in the face and snatch it from their hands!
Katie Doyle AMEN!
I think that if this is true and Voldemort was the true owner of the elder wand by killing Gregorovic then Harry wouldn't have become the master of the wand simply by coming back from the dead, I think it was the fact that he defeated and killed part of Voldemort with every piece of horcrux he destroyed. This, Harry killed Voldemort more than once, earning the allegiance of the wand
Ollivander once said to Harry in the filosofer that the wand chooses the wizard. What if the elder wand just chooses the wizard he wants to be the master of and chose harry in the end.
But actually, the REAL owner of the wand will always be Antioch Peverell because he possessed the wand until he died and the person who stole it from him didn't win any fight either but killed him instead. So actually the wand resisted all of the others because his true master has always been Antioch Peverell and no one else. A powerful wand like that can still survive and work for whoever uses it, but will never perform or belong to any of them~
I actually like you version of events of the path of the Elder Wand a lot better than how it played out.
For one, I thought too it was ridiculous how harry disarmed Dracos other wand and thus earned him the elder wand, your theory works a lot better.
Also Harry was foolish just to leave the wand in Dumbledore's tomb and claim if he dies a natural death than the wands power wont pass. However with Harry being an Auror he is very susceptible to being disarmed at some point and losing the aliegence of the Elder Wand.
5:39 Dumbledore fixed Hagrid's broken wand. Presumably by using the Elder Wand. So, unless Dumbledore is able to do that without being the True Master...
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Hey hey, wanna hear a story. so at some point i also realized it's kind of odd how Dumbledore could have won the duel against Grindelwald while Grindelwald was master of the Elder Wand at that time, so I decided to ask Rowling if I ever meet her. but now you cleared it up and get all the credit for finding the plothole and I have nothing left to talk about with Rowling. thanks a lot. (okay no i love you and ur videos are so good keep it up)
Hey here's another Theory. Arianna is an Obscurial
Not sure if that's related to the video, but it makes sense.
BrickAura nope Credence
Matt Shirley there are more than one obscurial.
BrickAura but she's not. She has no magical heritage
Matt Shirley She's the Sister of Albus, and Aberforth Dumbledore. She had magical heritage. Because of an incident with a few muggle boys, she suppressed her magic like how Credance did. She would also have random outbursts of emotion and magic which is how her mother died. This relates back to being a host for an obscurus.
Old voldy is the master of the elder wand because after Harry gains ownership of it by snatching Malfoys wand, then in the forbidden forest " Avada Kadavra" and Harry dies. So, oldy voldy is the master of the elder wand. Of course, Harry returns but "AVADA KADAVRA" so Harry technically DIES THEN RETURNS BUT DIES IS MORE IMPORTANT HERE.
Wait so almost everyone’s wand shifted allegiance when they were practicing Expelliarmus in the DA???
No, because regular wands don’t shift allegiance . That is something only the elder wand does.
Embereality oh ok
But olivander says that dracos wand shift allegiance to Harry 🤔
@@danielwatson3185 true
Its said that each wand temperament is different with some being very loyal while others change allegiance easily. It would also depend on the intentions of each combatant. Those training in the DA were only training thus not really fighting. Evil characters whose wands take after themselves would be more likely to change to a stronger wizard so a deatheater who lost a fight to another death eater would be more likely to lose their wands allegiance but if they kept it over time they would re-bond with the wand. A deatheater taking a random law abiding adult or Childs wand would be unlikely to gain the wands trust as they are the reason their previous master died and the loyal wand would not like that. Even lending people wands was not normal as the wand would not work properly for the new user.
To become the master of the Elder wand, one doesn't have the kill the current master, only best them in wand combat. Dumbledore bested Grindelwald in a duel, gaining mastery of the EW. Although Dumbledore knew Draco would try to kill him, Draco's disarming spell was still unexpected and took Dumbledore by surprise, qualifying as Draco besting Dumbledore. Harry disarmed Draco, which qualifies as besting him in wand combat which gave Harry mastery of the EW despite the fact that the EW itself wasn't part of the exchange.
The question we should be asking though is how the line of mastery of the EW began in the first place given that the brother it was given to by Death was killed in his sleep, and not bested in wand combat. Without properly besting him in combat his killer couldn't have inherited mastery of the EW, so where did the whole concept come from?
With due deference to "AquilaLiberum" & his applications of Rowling & mundane wandlore 'logic' & various circumstances, there is NO true master of the Elder Wand. NO one ever truly can be. Elder is the most fickle of woods, thus THE Elder Wand is the most fickle of all wands to ever exist. Some wizards think of wands as merely tools to be used, & inversely, this is exactly how the Elder Wand perceives all magi. Unlike most other wands, it cannot ever be mastered, nor won. It chooses it's magi wielder entirely by itself somehow, & then callously discards them (even unto willfully enticing them into battle & then betraying them unto death) whenever it has chosen some other more-preferred 'tool'. Such was seemingly the historical fate of all of its known wielders (& likely all those unknown as well): Antioch Peverell, Emeric the Evil, Egbert the Egregious, Godelot, (patricidal) Hereward Godelotson, Barnabas Deverill, Loxias, Arcus, Livius, Mykew Gregorovitch, Gellert Grindelwald, Albus Dumbledore, & lastly, Voldemort. The Elder Wand was said to be unbeatable, the most powerful wand in existence, yet Rowling also clearly stated it was "beaten hundreds of times". For any of this to be true, therefore ALL of it must be true. All those magi had held this wand, thinking they were its truest master (& were of sorts for a time), yet each in turn was defeated with the wand in their possession (often in duels), simply because the Elder Wand wanted it just so (for inexplicable 'reasons' only a wand could ever 'know'). The movies showed Harry Potter simply snapping it like a twig & discarding it, as it had itself done to so many magi before him. The (canon) books however have Albus Dumbledore insisting that it must be held inviolate, with the NEVER-defeated wielder eventually dying peacefully of natural causes in order to somehow destroy this penultimate wand's power. This had been his hopeful intention for decades. Being informed thus, Harry trusted this as well & thought himself the Elder Wand's master due to extraneous circumstances at Malfoy Manor (this belief explained for him his victory over the far more powerful archmage, Voldemort). Or so the Headmaster & Harry fervently (& wrongly) had hoped & believed. FACT: the ficklest of all elder freely chooses, period, & Voldemort was obviously NOT preferred (perhaps his lack of a complete spirit?). Most importantly however, Dumbledore's theory/hope (in the books) also inexorably makes implicit that, similar yet superior to horcruxes, the Elder Wand (& perhaps others unmentioned by name) are entirely indestructible by normal or even those magical means available to an archmage like himself; or Dumbledore would gladly have done so & rid the world of it long before Harry was ever born. (Sauron's One Ring of Power comes to mind here). Given that the One Ring's end was also its beginning, my spoiler educated-guess fan-theory is that indestructible penultimate wands began very long ago with an initial primogenitor, the very first of it's kind; perhaps it was the various "Axis Mundi" of ancient legends (aka: the World Tree, the Cosmic Tree, the Tree of Life, Yggdrasil, etc), & others like unto it followed in sequence, like chains stretching down thru time (each requiring another pre-existing penultimate in order for each in turn to be crafted, etc): Ningishzida, Wadjet, Kerykeion, Nehushtan, the Rod of Asclepius, Caduceus, the Elder Wand, etc (?), with all of them subject to that initial primogenitor for their unnatural indestructible existence. Its end must also be it's beginning as well; yet, who &/or what in all the world crafted such an impossibility & how (without another like unto it to do so)? How on earth can Harry (or anyone) ever destroy such utter indestructibility? I have given much thought to this & have an unpublished & extensive explanation for these questions (among others), but with apologies for those who've read this teaser thus far, I'll only disclose & discuss this & my Potterverse story idea(s) with J. K. Rowling herself, with Warner Bros Entertainment Inc, or their duly designated legal representative(s) .... or no one at all ....
I wanted to vote but... I'm only 14 and I'm in England but I still tried
Khrishan Solanki same bro same
Same here but i live in Denmark
How can you possibly still try?
BlinkO all you have to do is believe
i always thought the elder wand switched allegiances from the death of its last user, thats how the story makes it seem, but also a cool thought that the elder wand is simply a powerful wand, but its so old that dumbledore and voldy are actually being held back by it because their powers are so ridiculously strong
It's not stealing the wand that gives its allegiance to you, it's when someone disarms them - no matter what wand they're holding...
Hold on cause if you have a 357 at home but aproach me with a 9mm and i kill you and take the gun does that make the 357 mine or the 9mm. Im not threading Amy one just making a point
Hi super Carlin bros I love your videos and i have just been looking at the Black family tree (i.e Harry Potter's god father but you guy's a already know that) and I came across something odd. is Sirius Black related to Ignotus Peverell ? My source was from the harry potter wiki page so i cant tell if this is fact of fiction (considering it is fiction but that's beside the point). oh and one more thing is he also related to the Weasley's
And thank you for the great videos. keep up the good work :)
So basically the whole Harry Potter series is saying disarming is better than killing.
Since Harry was the boy who survived, maybe by resisting death, he became the master of the wand (which I assume old Vol owned at the time) as a baby, since he did not die. That would explain why Harry was still connected to his foe, and would serve as the basis for the prophesy about their ultimate battle.
I disagree with this theory. Mainly because you are basing it completely off of the fact that the wand owner must be killed in order for it to be defeated. But the books never said that. We can only assume that dying is NOT the only way to lose allegiance from the wand. We cannot ever confirm how or why the wands changes allegiance at all. We know very little itself about the wand and its' properties. Also, Dumbledore never did plan for Draco to disarm him. He only planned for Draco to completely fail his task.
how do we know Gregorovitch killed the person he got the wand from with this theory?
he could have killed one of the three brothers from the story
no, we know he didn't because they actually the path of the elder wand, while it was called something else (eg. the deathstick, the wand of destiny ect.), so we know that Gregorovitch didn't kill any of the brothers (that and he is not old enough, he isn't Nicolas Phlamel)...
exactly, there is no confirmation that Gregorovitch killed someone to get the wand as this theory would suggest, he could have found it for all we know
eric l thats what i was thinking the wand doesn't belong to anyone because the wand maker never killed anyone so there is no true master the wand was just really just a powerful wand after the wand maker got it
he gave $800 to death for making the elder wand
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@SuperCarlinBros, you have to look at the big picture that Harry has that colossal element of luck on his side. I mean he was the boy who lived, survived against Voldemort-possessed Professor Quirl by just touching him, miraculously survived a basalisk (IN HIS SECOND YEAR!), survived an encounter with Voldemort and a bunch of Death Eaters upon his return... etc. The list of luck goes on.
The story plays him out to be courageous with a lot of his actions, like taking action to find the philosopher's stone or saving Ginny, as well as hunting the Horcruxes; however, I feel it's just a ploy to hide the fact that he's overwhelmingly lucky lol. Lily and James potter rolled a solid 18:00 on Harry's LUCK stat upon birth. Just imagine how lucky he was with that luck potion he received from Slughorn lol.
Awesome...... completely different that the other theory's .... And the most awesome one
But completely wrong Dumbledore can beat Grindelwald because of Newt (and maybe Hagrid)'s magical beasts
It was Harry’s because he disarmed draco, not because he “overpowered him” in Malfoy manor
I am scared for the election of the elders ( did you get it)
Em Nakasuji no
Wow..
Em Nakasuji What?
Oliveshine in ThunderClan so I am not trying to say that they are old but I guess they are idk so what I am trying to say is that elders are mostly describe as smart and wise like Clinton and trump
Em Nakasuji XD Trump and Clinton? Wise? Ah, that's hilarious..
Perhaps the allure of the wand, being most powerful was the reason why it lost as the wand would choose the one with the most skill, that being the person who knows the wand wont enhance or diminish their magic in a dual with another wizard, therefore only those who understand this can win the wands true allegiance?
I liked your theory and I was even thinking about adopting it cause when I first read the book I found JK's explanation quite weak and had to read it several times to accept it.... but then I remembered that maybe the wand never even had a true master after the original owner. I mean, it was stolen! The brother was killed while sleeping and the wand was stolen. So there's that. He was murdered yeah, but the wand was never conquered, so maybe the true power of the wand died with him.
We know, that Harry need the elder wand to fix his own, as it is the only wand strong enough to do it, And we know he is able do so, so he most be the wands master in some way. As for true power, I dont know, if you mean with the part, that who ever is master of the wand, will always come out of the fight as a winner. Hmmm....on that part you may be right, as far as I know from the books, no one with the elder wand really win a fight with it, and the battle between Dumbledor and Voldmort in the ministry ends in a draw, and Harry bury if after he is done with it. So I guess that is a question we will never get answer.
Well, It's fun and everything but, in the end, JK knows best... It's a powerful wand that works in misterious ways and we'll have to settle for it. Still, I like the Horcrux theory and I'm adopting it with a few twists to make it work completely. It would be really fun if it were to be incorporated into the Fantastic Beasts series (or any other future series) even if JK didn't intend to originally. I mean, Dumbledore being in such a dark place in his life that he would have created a Horcrux and this being crucial for him to help understanding and finishing off Voldemort in the future just shows that it really is like Dumbledore said in the books: even the best of us can face darkness and even from darkness light can appear.... Man I really did get carried away now. I just came from the movies, I'm excited!
Some were Here I'm kinda responding to you and continuing the discussion in another post...
Being defeated by someone that comes back from the grave...hmm 😊
"It sounds like a lazy plot device. *Obviously* that's not what actually happened."
Are you sure you read this series before?
Great theory! The "wizard who has conquered death" technicality is completely reasonable! It may be that Death itself has set up the wand to resist anyone who does not fit this description as the wand has a long history of bringing death upon it's owner hence the name Death Stick. Harry may be the one and only true owner of the wand after a long history of the wands use. It makes complete sense now!