You had / have it correct. Some are just very delusional and have self-inserted and identified so much with a certain “ship” for years that it’s difficult to accept being wrong to the point they’d swoop so low. Your POV is the main and intended POV, it is in fact canon. I loved the video essay you did, learned some things! I did not find it cringy at all 😂 I was the same as you - a casual FF7 fan who felt that Tifa and Cloud were the couple until these Cleriths started gaslighting me that I had it all wrong. Meanwhile this is literally my favorite Final Fantasy 7, and Advent Children has been my favorite movie since I was 10 years old. I must’ve watched it over a hundred times since. And I could not stand someone telling me I had the damn story wrong. I’m sorrry but some in that camp are unhinged.
Even if they did nothing they slept together. Aerith holds hands woth Cloud and they claim they are married, Cloud sleeps with Tifa and in this case they claim there is nothing going on. Make that make sense.
The stargazer is a typical lying Aerith stan, jumping from one point to another, does not pay attention to ultimanias when it does not suit her and she pretends to know when she clearly has missed the whole plot. FF VII is Cloud's story and it revolves around Tifa ans his relationship with him. It is not our bad she picked a support character to be a fan of.
@Rusalo4ka-ue1mt She is a support character, semi lead, semi support, just there to trigger player's emotions with her loss. More than half of the game is played without her while the hero and the heroine, Cloud and Tifa continue until the end.
@Rusalo4ka-ue1mt The way the retrilogy goes Yuffie may as well end up having more playtime than her. I guess she will end up being more of a heroine than Aerith. She leaves the game mid game, she is there for a reason, definition of support character.
I'm so sorry you're experiencing this. Please do not be disheartened. Also, that Mlmwjrpg guy is definitely not a good-faith debater and never wanted an actual debate with you. He's very well known for writing horrible threads about Tifa on Twitter and attacking her and many CloTi fans. Additionally, Stargazer Spirits, who goes by a somewhat different name on Twitter is trying to sway you into having negative opinions about people she doesn't like in order to discredit them. She tries to play neutral but she's one of the more vocal Cleriths on Twitter and has attacked multiple people because of their preference for CloTi. Nobody other than Cleriths uses mistranslations and doctored footage. In fact, the Mlmwjrpg guy recently posted a reversed clip to make Cloud and Aerith look like they are leaning in. In regards to the frame you got attacked over a lot in your comments. The EN version of the OG is full of mistranslations, and this is one of the most egregious. The text has since been clarified in the Final Fantasy Complete works by SE. Because the original text is “そしてティファとふたり懐かしい人たちに、いつの日か会いに行こうと約束する”. -> 人たち which means “people”. 人 (hito) for person, 人たち(hito-tachi) for people. There is no “her” in there. Him and Tifa promise to meet those loved ones they miss one day."
First I just wanna say I'm sorry you are getting attack by that side of the fandom. There are some cool, calm and level-headed cloud and aerith lovers but they don't engage in the shipping war that's going on in the fandom now because they would rather accept the story as it is then twist the story to something else that it isn't. The ones you are getting under your tweets are the loud minority ones who people call the extremes lol Even if your tweet or you make an innocent tweet that has nothing to do with shipping they will still come attack you like its a shipping tweet, ex. during mother's day some of the Cloud and Tifa lovers celebrate mother's day for Tifa, you are probably wondering why they will celebrate Tifa on mother's day when she isn't a mother you should watch advent children complete hahaha, and the extremes came to attack the owner/post like your Cloud and Tifa tweet which has nothing to do with shipping 😆 As for Cloud and Tifa's couple name it's usually the guys name first because the couple name in Japan is call Kurati, Kurado (Cloud) and Ti for Tifa Again sorry about people attacking you with the translation. You probably don't know this but the ps1 game had a lot of mistranslation because during that time only one guy did the whole translation himself so there are errors. And the ones attacking you they love using the mistranslation when talking about FFVII. Just like how they attack you because of what Cloud said to Tifa while they are hanging off the edge of a cliff, they also love using a mistranslation from FFVII where Cloud said he wanted to join the group (Tifa's group of friends) but she wouldn't let him in which gave Tifa the name the bully of Nibelheim, I'm not sure if it was in the pc version you play, but the original line was how Cloud was too weak to ask to join Tifa's group And yes, there is actual drama in the ffvii fandom lol. One side will actually uses quotes from the game, devs, ultimania, etc while the other side will use cherry pick lines and mistranslation, wouldn't even believe the original writers words and think he's lying, etc 😅 That passage you are reading from is Nojima's new book that came out before rebirth. Its call Traces of Two Pasts which talks about Tifa and Aerith Yeah, they are. The extremes doesn't like Tifa because they want Aerith to have her role. As for the Gongaga scene, they think Cloud doesn't want to kiss Tifa its all Tifa's doing lol. Luckily you haven't seen much of what Aerith's side of the fandom has said about Tifa and Cloud's romance scene so bless you, keep it that way because once you see it there's no turning back lol. Sometimes it makes you think if they even play the game or just watch clips here and there 😆 You see what I meant when I say they cherry pick lines. The others were also talking about Aerith during those two sceneshots of the OG but why leave them out and only uses what Cloud says. Its almost like what the others say doesn't matter 🤷♀️ If its Tifa then everything is wrong. Everything she does or doesn't do is wrong but when its Aerith, everything is right. I'm not dissing Aerith lol. She may not be my favorite but I still appreciate what she bought to the game That's what the Cloud and Tifa lovers always say, if Tifa wanted a soldier why didn't she go for Zack or Sephiroth when they came to Nibelheim, why ask for hints of Cloud in her emails to Zack 🤦♀️ smh lol Lmao I'm sorry I just laugh out loud when you said it doesn't prove anything about the 3 sceneshots that are completely different scenes 🤣 When its Tifa and Cloud, they are not interested in the videos unless its talking about Aerith and Cloud lol From the looks of it, after rebirth came out the extremes have been attacking a lot of people who don't see or agree to what they think or say If you want to know more info you should go check out ShinraArch where they translate stuff or if you actually want to have a civil talk about some cool level-headed Cloud and Aerith's lovers you should check out thelifestream.net Hopefully this doesn't discouraged you from doing what you love doing ❤
OML. Why is StygianSis constantly talking and cutting others off? It's one thing to cut off your "opponent" in this stupid love triangle... but why cut off the host? That's so rude and disrespectful. LET OTHER PEOPLE TALK FFS
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You had / have it correct. Some are just very delusional and have self-inserted and identified so much with a certain “ship” for years that it’s difficult to accept being wrong to the point they’d swoop so low. Your POV is the main and intended POV, it is in fact canon. I loved the video essay you did, learned some things! I did not find it cringy at all 😂
I was the same as you - a casual FF7 fan who felt that Tifa and Cloud were the couple until these Cleriths started gaslighting me that I had it all wrong. Meanwhile this is literally my favorite Final Fantasy 7, and Advent Children has been my favorite movie since I was 10 years old. I must’ve watched it over a hundred times since. And I could not stand someone telling me I had the damn story wrong.
I’m sorrry but some in that camp are unhinged.
Even if they did nothing they slept together. Aerith holds hands woth Cloud and they claim they are married, Cloud sleeps with Tifa and in this case they claim there is nothing going on.
Make that make sense.
The stargazer is a typical lying Aerith stan, jumping from one point to another, does not pay attention to ultimanias when it does not suit her and she pretends to know when she clearly has missed the whole plot.
FF VII is Cloud's story and it revolves around Tifa ans his relationship with him.
It is not our bad she picked a support character to be a fan of.
@Rusalo4ka-ue1mt She is a support character, semi lead, semi support, just there to trigger player's emotions with her loss.
More than half of the game is played without her while the hero and the heroine, Cloud and Tifa continue until the end.
@Rusalo4ka-ue1mt The way the retrilogy goes Yuffie may as well end up having more playtime than her. I guess she will end up being more of a heroine than Aerith.
She leaves the game mid game, she is there for a reason, definition of support character.
That Stargazer girl keeps interrupting. Let people talk.
I'm so sorry you're experiencing this. Please do not be disheartened. Also, that Mlmwjrpg guy is definitely not a good-faith debater and never wanted an actual debate with you. He's very well known for writing horrible threads about Tifa on Twitter and attacking her and many CloTi fans. Additionally, Stargazer Spirits, who goes by a somewhat different name on Twitter is trying to sway you into having negative opinions about people she doesn't like in order to discredit them. She tries to play neutral but she's one of the more vocal Cleriths on Twitter and has attacked multiple people because of their preference for CloTi. Nobody other than Cleriths uses mistranslations and doctored footage. In fact, the Mlmwjrpg guy recently posted a reversed clip to make Cloud and Aerith look like they are leaning in.
In regards to the frame you got attacked over a lot in your comments. The EN version of the OG is full of mistranslations, and this is one of the most egregious. The text has since been clarified in the Final Fantasy Complete works by SE. Because the original text is “そしてティファとふたり懐かしい人たちに、いつの日か会いに行こうと約束する”. -> 人たち which means “people”. 人 (hito) for person, 人たち(hito-tachi) for people. There is no “her” in there. Him and Tifa promise to meet those loved ones they miss one day."
First I just wanna say I'm sorry you are getting attack by that side of the fandom.
There are some cool, calm and level-headed cloud and aerith lovers but they don't engage in the shipping war that's going on in the fandom now because they would rather accept the story as it is then twist the story to something else that it isn't. The ones you are getting under your tweets are the loud minority ones who people call the extremes lol
Even if your tweet or you make an innocent tweet that has nothing to do with shipping they will still come attack you like its a shipping tweet, ex. during mother's day some of the Cloud and Tifa lovers celebrate mother's day for Tifa, you are probably wondering why they will celebrate Tifa on mother's day when she isn't a mother you should watch advent children complete hahaha, and the extremes came to attack the owner/post like your Cloud and Tifa tweet which has nothing to do with shipping 😆
As for Cloud and Tifa's couple name it's usually the guys name first because the couple name in Japan is call Kurati, Kurado (Cloud) and Ti for Tifa
Again sorry about people attacking you with the translation. You probably don't know this but the ps1 game had a lot of mistranslation because during that time only one guy did the whole translation himself so there are errors. And the ones attacking you they love using the mistranslation when talking about FFVII. Just like how they attack you because of what Cloud said to Tifa while they are hanging off the edge of a cliff, they also love using a mistranslation from FFVII where Cloud said he wanted to join the group (Tifa's group of friends) but she wouldn't let him in which gave Tifa the name the bully of Nibelheim, I'm not sure if it was in the pc version you play, but the original line was how Cloud was too weak to ask to join Tifa's group
And yes, there is actual drama in the ffvii fandom lol. One side will actually uses quotes from the game, devs, ultimania, etc while the other side will use cherry pick lines and mistranslation, wouldn't even believe the original writers words and think he's lying, etc 😅
That passage you are reading from is Nojima's new book that came out before rebirth. Its call Traces of Two Pasts which talks about Tifa and Aerith
Yeah, they are. The extremes doesn't like Tifa because they want Aerith to have her role. As for the Gongaga scene, they think Cloud doesn't want to kiss Tifa its all Tifa's doing lol. Luckily you haven't seen much of what Aerith's side of the fandom has said about Tifa and Cloud's romance scene so bless you, keep it that way because once you see it there's no turning back lol. Sometimes it makes you think if they even play the game or just watch clips here and there 😆
You see what I meant when I say they cherry pick lines. The others were also talking about Aerith during those two sceneshots of the OG but why leave them out and only uses what Cloud says. Its almost like what the others say doesn't matter 🤷♀️
If its Tifa then everything is wrong. Everything she does or doesn't do is wrong but when its Aerith, everything is right. I'm not dissing Aerith lol. She may not be my favorite but I still appreciate what she bought to the game
That's what the Cloud and Tifa lovers always say, if Tifa wanted a soldier why didn't she go for Zack or Sephiroth when they came to Nibelheim, why ask for hints of Cloud in her emails to Zack 🤦♀️ smh lol
Lmao I'm sorry I just laugh out loud when you said it doesn't prove anything about the 3 sceneshots that are completely different scenes 🤣
When its Tifa and Cloud, they are not interested in the videos unless its talking about Aerith and Cloud lol
From the looks of it, after rebirth came out the extremes have been attacking a lot of people who don't see or agree to what they think or say
If you want to know more info you should go check out ShinraArch where they translate stuff or if you actually want to have a civil talk about some cool level-headed Cloud and Aerith's lovers you should check out thelifestream.net
Hopefully this doesn't discouraged you from doing what you love doing ❤
I was expecting the discussion to be more heated tbh, but it was pretty civil. Great stuff!
Lies and personal interpretation, mental gymnastics and total irrelevance to the game and its world.
I enjoyed the discussion but stargazer needs to let ppl finish before rudely interrupting
Pathological liars like her do that.
OML. Why is StygianSis constantly talking and cutting others off? It's one thing to cut off your "opponent" in this stupid love triangle... but why cut off the host? That's so rude and disrespectful. LET OTHER PEOPLE TALK FFS