Thanks! It’s been a long time since we did a FaceTime and you showed me how to shoot birds in my backyard in San Diego. High time I bought you a beer again, since I always profit from your videos. My R7 arrives tomorrow and now I won’t expect it to be quite like my R5. Thanks.
Bird shooter here got my R7 yesterday (UK) Have been using a 7DII and never touched a mirrorless before, for me the R7 has been a revelation and a massive improvement on 7DII. Obviously its early days but I'm already thinking of selling my 7DII and EF telephoto lenses with a view to buying RF 100-500 ..... that's how quickly the R7 has changed my world!
EXACTLY what I did! I had a 7D MKII and a Sigma 150-600mm... trade the 7D MKII for a $550 discount and tried it with the Sigma. It didn't perform as well as I had hoped, so I traded it in on the 100-500mm.. .i LOVE it!!!
@@matthewbrookes8561 yes, the 100-500mm is much sharper to my eye and focuses better... fantastic lens!!!..... I'm VERY happy with the combo!.... which EF lenses do you have?
@@matthewbrookes8561 Why would you even do that when the Sigma has never been marketed for Mirrorless nor is it one ...... You would have greater chance of screwing your warranty if something went fubar . I have the Sigma .. I wouldn't even use it with a mirrorless Camera .
Thanks Jan for this great review! For me all together the R7 seems to be a very capable camera that will handle every situation well as long as you don't go to the extremes. For me it's no surprise that the full frame competitors work better at low light - that's to be expected as it is simple physics :) I also don't think it's correct that the camera is always said to be a "sports and wildlife camera". In my opinion it's a perfect allround camera which also will produce great results as a travel camera, for landscapes, and all other purposes. I don't understand all these guys complaining "the R3/R5 is better". Of course this is true but look at the price difference! You can buy three R7s for one R3! I'm looking forward to get my new R7.
Extremes? You mean a bit of dust or rain? After all, it hasn't got proper weather proffing. Which is a bit dumb for a wildlife camera but then there are plenty of people who don't do their research so I am sure plenty will sell.
@@doghouseriley4732 You are massively incorrect, It actually has weather sealing throughout the whole camera.... Therefore your statement is void, Good day mate.
Great review, thank for the work. Some people's comments though...... - Struggles in low light ? Well, its an APS-C so yeah. My 7D2 struggled in low light too. Since we are comparing things to the 7D2..... - I'm glad to hear your comments about the EVF. Lots of griping about that before the cameras release. As if your photo quality is generated by the EVF........It's a "view finder". It finds the view.. - I'm happy it has 2 SD cards. I always hated how canon mixes card types in 2-card slot cameras. If canon had put in 2 CFXB cards, people would be complaining they have to buy the more expensive cards........ - Buffer is small. The camera is US$1500. Were you expecting an R3 ? Like Jan said, use CRAW, you get some extra frames and no one will look at your photos and say "i don't like it, you shot that in CRAW". I shoot airshows, 30 FPS for a second or two on a $1500 camera is like a dream. Even at 15FPS, it beats my 7D2. Since we're comparing everything to the 7D2. - No battery grip. At first that really disappointed me. Then i remembered i carry 6 spare batteries in my bag now anyway. I can also place the R7 in my gear bag short-side down and now i have room for one more lens. Much more travel-friendly than my bulky, yet amazing, 7D2. - Trying to decide between the R3, R5 and R7 ?? 3 cameras with very different prices.Its not even a sensical comparison. If you have R3 money, you aren't seriously considering the R7 anyway. - I love my 7D2. Love it. What it wasn't though, is this mythical super-performer some people make it out to be. In summary, go ahead and cancel all those pre-orders. It just means i'll get mine faster.
Hi Jan, great video as always with attention to details and very informative. I'm using the r7 with the rf 100 to 500 for about two weeks now and I'm very pleased with the performance of this combo. I find the ergonomics of the camera actually to be quite good. The two wheels are enough for me one set for shutters speed and one for the iso is all I need as the aperture is constant on 7.1 It works well for me. Remember no camera is perfect and no camera will perform perfectly in every situation. R5 paired with a 600 f4 will produce better images especially in low light conditions but having the r7 with the rf 100 to 500 as a light weight combo that you can handheld for hours and also having that nice 800mm focal length reach is definitely a wonderful option.
Really nice review of the camera. Though I still miss out a real comparison between the 7Dii and the R7, that for me is the more natural step. Also interesting to hear that a lot of ppl made the expectations that R7 should be a R5 with crop sensor? For me it was clearly that it would be a mirrorless 7D, since R5 is a mirrorless 5D and the R6 is a mirrorless 6D...
This video is one year old but i had to said thank you. Unfortunately my 70D is broken. I am a hobbyphotographer and shoot voluntarily for our firefighters, school but also two weddings in the last 2 years and so i look for a replacement. Struggle between R10 or R7. Now this video brings me to the final think: R7. Thanks a lot from germany. Now i have to look for a R7. ;)
So if you use Electronic shutter, you get rolling shutter and buffer issues; and if you use Mechanical, then you get a loud shutter noise, shutter shock and lose the pre-capture feature, eh? Oh, for Pete's sake. Thanks for pointing all this out.
Not so long ago, a couple of years actually, everybody was happy with 7-8 fps. Have the birds become so much faster lately, that now not having more than 1s at 30 fps is an issue?
@@Auracanal😂 faster birds! But seriously ppl forget these are imperfect tools. That’s just reality. Marketing seems to taunt the idea that a perfect tool will bring happiness.
Jan, great recap of the pros and cons of the R7 in the real world. Coming from the 7d ii, there is no comparison - this camera is a amazing. Even my EF 100-100l ii with a 1.4 extender works far better than on my 7D ii. I agree the ergonomic change takes some getting used to, but generally works pretty well. I’ve noticed the noise in Lightroom, using Topaz Denoise gives me a very clean file. I hope Adobe improve noise handling, because running the files through DPP seems a bit slow ( it may be me, as ai don’t generally use it) and Topaz Denoise files are pretty large.
Great, this is exactly what I was looking for. Still no one have done a real comparison between the 7D ii and R7! So if the ISO and image quality is better then the 7D ii it's just the handling and autofocus left to compare, and hearing this is really what I needed :) Tnx!
Great review, I have the R7 and coming from a 90D it feels like a massive upgrade especially with birds. My question is does the eye tracking work in slo-mo video?
I found a gamechanger with the 800 f11 and R7 the silent shutter allow a much slower speed of 50 instead of 400 when resting the camera on something which does not apply to other lenses apparently
This video is packed with useful information. It is also the first video I've watched of yours and I've already subscribed because of this high density content. Cheers! And thank you.
We got this unit as a Xmas gift. It seems to be very complicated. Is there a setting where we can just set it to point and shoot, and it does everything for me like using the camera on my iPhone?
Superb video. Many of us are still waiting in the UK for the camera to arrive here and there are still very large waiting lists for it here...even Canon UK have no idea when these cameras will arrive
Probably the best review of the R7. Not only is it not an R5 with crop factor, it's not even an R6 with crop factor. I'm dissatisfied with it because I have an R6 Ii, which is on another level, but will keep the R7 for the extra focal length.
I got some fantastic shot with the R7 and the RF 800mm f11 in good light as well as low light portrait shot with a shutter speed of 1/200 seconds handheld. I love that a can handhold this combo forever in any shooting position, especially at ground level to get eye level with your subject and creating background separation! 😊💕
Thanks for the great review Jan. I currently use a 90D and have an R7 on order. I was a little concerned about the R7, but this has made me feel more comfortable about the change.
Cheers Jan. Great review thanks. I really don’t know whether to keep my R7 or just be happy with the focal length of the R5/100-500 combo. Time will tell. The shutter noise is hideous but the electronic shutter has all the issues you speak of. I have a little hope in the back of my mind that Canon will release an “R7Pro”, with a new backlit sensor, bigger buffer and quieter shutter mechanism…..oh, and three wheels too 🤔🤔🤔. We can hope 😊
Don't hold your breath waiting for a pro version. I can't see that happening. It's Canon. They just give you enough to keep you hanging on and hoping....
They better move it. The others are all over this. I have just seen the ef100-400 mk2 on a new X-H2S. It was awesome, 40fps, no rolling shutter, CF acrd slot and 120 RAW files shots before ou hit the buffer, no 30 shots like the R7. Weather sealed too!
I’m running the R7 alongside an R6. When shooting wildlife I’m shooting BIF 90% of the time. I did use the RF 800mm f11 with the R6 and it works well. I personally find that shooting that lens with the R7 is a little long for me for BIF at 1280mm. Works great for stationary birds. Lately I’ve actually been shooting mainly with the Canon 100-400 MKII and with the crop factor the 640mm is a sweet spot at a f5.6 aperture. On top of that the extra megapixels on the subject easily allows for up to a 200+% crop in post with a lot of detaiI should I need it. I don’t get that with my R6. The lens also works very well with the Canon 1.4xiii at f8 although I find it sharper at f10. So, in early morning and late in the day when I need a bright aperture I shoot at the effective 640mm wide open at f5.6. Midday I sometimes use the 1.4x. Nothing scientific but I feel that with the 32.5 megapixels I get better results cropping to 800mm in post. Very nice video Jan! Thank you.
I have a R7 on pre-order, this is the most useful review I have seen for this camera. Can't wait to the email from the camera shop saying it's arrived. Thanks for this review.
Outstanding review as always Jan. I would like to see more about the usuability of the electronic shutter for fast action for panning bird in flight shots. Also a separate video on on image quality compared to R5, specially using the files with DXO Pureraw and or Topaz Denoize to understand if there a significant advantage to R5 for files between ISO 800-3200. Thanks
Thanks for your detail review and presentation. I received my preordered R7 two days ago and unboxed it while waiting for yours and Duane’s R7 detailed reviews before I will set things up. Thank you again.
Jan, I have my brand new R7 and Canon 100-500 as an upgrade from Canon 90D and Sigma 150-600C. What a massive upgrade. I have Aperture set up on the ring on the camera shutter speed on the front wheel and ISO on the rear wheel. I don't have or likely to have one of the big brothers R3,5 or 6.
How are you finding it 3 months later? I am also moving from a 90D & Sigma 150-600C and encouraged to hear about the differences. I feel the eye AF features particularly will be a a pretty jaw dropping difference.
@@RB-rf8rf I love the camera, I have now set the rear wheel to exposure adjustment, but I am still getting the hang of that. The AF eye detect is fantastic upgrade from the 90D, but also the 100-500 lens has been brilliant. That lens will be a forever lens.. One of the early big criticisms about the R7 was that it only has 2 SD card slots and that the buffer will fill really quickly. I shoot in CRAW plus JPeg and rarely in electronic shutter mode because of potential rolling shutter issues. By shooting in bursts I have only maxed out the buffer a couple of times. So... in summary, very happy, I am sure the R6 and R5 are better cameras, but they are significantly more expensive and the crop sensor on the R7 gives me more reach and is what I am used to coming from a 90D. I love ❤️ it.
@@andrewkeir2282 Thanks for the reply, that's great to hear! Have you seen much of an issue with the supposed "shutter shock" when shooting in slower conditions? It looks like you can clean up noise so well these days that you could just bump ISO instead of reducing shutter speed where it would become an issue.
after watching many videos on the R7 yours was by far the best, and backed up what you were talking about with images and explanations. Very well done. You have helped me make my decision that I think the r7 will work just fine for me. thank you.
Really like my R7.... great camera for stills and 4k fine video. I've been using it with my canon rf 100-400mm f/5.6-8 lens and getting some really good results.
The RUclips content creators seem to be deliberately forgetting the whole M series, as no one mentions them when reviewing R7 or other R series cameras. They talk about R7 being Canon's first crop-sensor mirrorless camera. Makes me think they have been paid by Canon to dig the M series into the graveyard.
Off topic but I finally got to use my R5 on birds at a state park. They set up a blind with feeders and water so it was quite active. The eye auto focus amazed me. And the IBIS and IS was also amazing. Shooting 500mm hand held and I neglected to bump up my shutter speed but still got crystal clear images of the birds feathers. It was my first experience of taking such clear images that got all the feature detail that I've gawked at in other's images for a some time. I am still somewhat confused about the video mode. It appears as soon as the video is rolling, the buttons on the back become mute. For example, the back button focus or the eye focus button I have connected to the star (*) button do nothing at all if I have already started capturing video. Maybe I have something misconfigured. I with the auto focus in video mode more closely matched the auto focus in photo mode. And then when I pick up the R5C, it is yet a whole other game but that I can understand. That camera has a different target market. Anyhow... I enjoy your videos. I am curious if you ever shot film. I came from film to digital back in 2002. So most of your comments about buffer filling up cause a gentle smile to come across my face. In the old days, you had 36 frames TOTAL! 😜 Oh!!! I did have one question / comment: my R5 frequently gets "stuck" focused at infinity and hitting the back button focus doesn't unstick it. For example if the bird is in the brush and the camera decides to focus on the brush in the back ground, I can't force it to focus on the bird. I believe I have the back button focus set up like you suggest. Currently, I have to adjust the focus manually and then re-focus with the back button. Do you have that issue? Do you have a work around to avoid it?
12:53 DPP actually applies a lot of noise reduction to the files, even if you "turn off" the noise reduction. It applies a lot of color noise reduction (this reduces the color resolution). When Dpp needs to load parts of the image, one can actually see the true noise for a short time and then it is suddenly reduced.
@@PhilThach Though I noticed that converting the files with the Adobe dng converter leads to more noise (and probably worse signal to noise ratio) when opening the dng files in Affinity Photo (in comparison to Cr3 files in Affinity Photo) (but I guess this might be the case with all cameras and could be an incompatibility of Affinity Photo and the dng format, though I need to test whether other raw converters have the same issue).
In DPP, I always leave the default chrominance denoise setting as chosen by the camera. This removes the colour blotches. The detail you refer to is the luminance detail. I set luminance denoise off for iso6400 and below, and half the camera luminance denoise for iso12800 ajd above - this presrves detail. The image 'perceived' detail is not in the chrominance channel. Fyi, DPP also has superior lens correction profiles as compared to lightroom, and makes for sharper images. Ca is perfectly corrected in the way canon engineers intended.
Thanks Jan, just what I was waiting for, I think this review has swayed be towards getting it. My dilemma is do I get rid of the R in trade or hang onto it (I have the R5 too) One question about DPP, do you process the RAW file completely in DPP then skip ACR and finish up the editing in PS. Thanks Jan for this real world review, much appreciated.
I just got the camera, actually it is much better than I thought for it’s price point, R7 cost $1500 , while R5 cost $4200 so it is almost 1/3 if its price , and can deliver around 80% , I believe and and it is my personal opinion, if the issues you addressed where to be fixed, non of the professional sports/wildlife photographers will buy more expensive camera than R7, it would be “ R3 lite “
Think you, good and reliable report as always. I think, for this price point it’s unbeatible. I ordered one to retire my RP for escursions with few weight. I eagerly await it.
Thanks again for sharing your helpful advice on R7. I waited for your deep review of R7. I have been using R6 with some RF lenses. I guess it would be nice to buy R7 for a second camera of R6.
Thank you for honest review. I have clearly visible shutter shock blur on the R10, often in the range of 1/160 sec.. With the 1. electronic shutter curtain, the problem mostlly disappeared. I considered switching to the R7, but it doesn't seem to be any better. It's incomprehensible that cameras with such loud, poorly damped shutters are still being built today. Since I want to shoot sports with the camera, the electronic shutter is probably ruled out because of rolling shutter.
The R7 and most cameras are built to a price and compromises are made as a result. Had Canon used a BSI stacked sensor the problem wouldn't exist but this probably would have added $500 to the price and the camera would be in the R6 / R5 performance bracket. It's not in Canon's financial interest to allow that.
@@stevemurnan1702 Fujifilm, Lumix and Olympus offer much cheaper cameras than the Canon R7 without shutter shock problems and with well-damped shutters.
@@christianmayrhofer4178 I don't think any manufacturer offers the AF capability of the R7 at a lower price. However, Canon have cut corners to achieve a price point. Anything better than the current R7 spec would start eating into sales of their other cameras I suspect.
Thanks Jan.. Im waiting for my R7. I will be watching for your final settings when I receive delivery. Picked up many pointers for my R5 from you and will be looking forward for more tips. All the rumors about this camera has fueled my fire, have hand problems so the grip seems like it will help as well as the rear button arrangement. Thanks for your advice!!
Another great video. I'm using my R7 with the Sigma 150-600mm C lens. Initially it was great but then I optimised (with the USB DOCK UD-01 & Sigma Optimization Pro) the lens and now autofocus is not working. Do you have any thoughts on what might be going on? Has anyone else encountered this issue?
Good Video - For me the crop sensor and the ability to get the ability to get the 1.6 crop factor overwhelms any drawbacks - there are solutions if you are careful to minimize rolling shutter - thats the major drawback … using it with the 100-500 or the 200-8- and getting 800mm or 1280 is great … yes I would;d ;pve a battery grip and a dedicated ISO button similar to R6 Mk2 would be great … also I would like the button layout of R6 2 with on off lock on one side and video on off other side …. Within the 100-500 and 200-800 I am shooting in good light anyway so low light is not as much an issue for me … once again thanks for videos and excellent setup guides for R6Mk2 and R7 terry donofrio
fantastic review. But a question : at 8:30 you state that in dark conditions , so slow shutter speed , you get the most wobbles from the electronic shutter. I would expect the wobbles to be independent from the shutter speed, and are only related to the slow readout of the sensor. That readout speed is always the same. I switched from 90d to R7.
I've been using my R7 since early August, coming from an 80D. I used a Canon FT-QL film SLR from 1968 to 2004 when I got my first Digital Rebel, and worked my way up to the 80D over several cameras. As an old film SLR shooter, I immediately set the Control Ring on the lens to control aperture, and the main dial up top for shutter speed. I put ISO on the ring around the joystick - there are the three dials everyone has been complaining it doesn't have! I run in full-time Manual with the RGB histogram and shoot RAW. I've switched over to full-time electronic shutter with a very quiet shutter sound so I have audible confirmation that I've actually taken a picture. I don't need 30 fps most of the time, or even 15 fps, so I run at 3 fps for candids of people. My question is: Wouldn't electronic shutter set to 15 fps avoid rolling shutter as well as shutter shock? Is the sensor read in a different way when the mechanical shutter is used?
@@collinsal1433 I would never go back to my 80D or any DSLR now that I have the R7. Its electronic viewfinder that shows the effect of your exposure settings and can also be set to show depth of field at the same time. The live RGB histogram lets me set the exposure to avoid over or under exposure. I run in Manual and shoot RAW. This camera is a joy to use.
I will be renting an R7, and an 800mm F11, hoping to better inform my online friend about the features. I did the same for the R5 and instantly fell in love with it. Canon finally got this long time Nikon shooter to switch.
I managed to borrow an R7 over the weekend, I too experienced what I could describe as "hunting" on the AF, more pronounced in low light/less bright len's as you mention. I would say hit rate for sharp images is around 25 to 33% in these conditions (but of course my poor light may vary to anyone else's), using tracking AF (Spot AF hit rate seems to be a lot higher). On the face of it, disappointing/frustrating, however, those that are sharp ...oh my word ...what wonderful images....so the real issue here is how to manage and cull so many images efficiently whilst in the field (using the camera to do this isn't going too work too well). I tried out the video FHD - slo mo function, using the lower end 100 to 400 RF on a bee hunting for pollen on a Verbena zoomed well in, I don't do much video ordinarily. the result was fantastic, and I believe eye AF seems to work here. So yes, some areas to disappoint, but with huge potential to produce superb images.
Thanks for the hint to use DPP for the RAWs! I think many people believe the R7 has poor high iso performance because they only use lightroom and/or photoshop. You are the first, as far as I know, who mentions shutter-shock. And you are absolutely right! I recognized it with the adapted Canon 15-85mm @15mm with slow (mechanical!) shutter speed. All pictures were unusable. At first I thought it was only a problem with this specific adapted lens. After testing I found out the problem is definitely shutter-shock and not the lens. Overall electr. 1. curtain shutter and cRAW works quite well for me.
I guess going from a 1200D to the R7 is a massive jump, and one which I’ll be very happy with. I’ve decided I’m going to have to try to start selling some of my portrait bird images in order to earn some money to buy the RF lenses and maybe eventually a full frame R5 to cope with low light. I’ll wait till the Black Friday sales to obtain the most for my limited money. Thanks so much for the reviews to date on this camera and I look forward to more from you Jan. Much appreciated. Enjoy your day. 😀
I've found the R6 handles low light better than the R5 if you want to save some money! Less megapixels but you'd have to be printing HUGE to notice a quality drop off. Something to think about I guess :)
I'm coming from a 1300d. Buying the R7 soon along with the sigma 150-600. I know the professionals are complaining about a few things but for us this is like upgrading from a Cessna to a f22 raptor. Did you manage to buy one and if so how are you liking it compared to the 1200d.
Very helpful review, thank you. One question, any idea when Canon might open their mirror less mount to 3rd party lens makers? Why can’t Sigma etc just reverse engineer it ?
Great review! Have been using the 7DII since they came out. Almost got the R6 last year when it was looking like no crop body was coming up. Glad I waited and now have an R7 on order. Looking forward to the mirrorless crop body.
I was in the same boat as you. Was about to order the R6 but then pre orders opened for the R7. I miss the buttons and the battery grip but the eye AF is perfect to capture the kids now. Even the kit lens is good fun. Adapts EF perfectly. I’m just waiting for the 17-55 successor and maybe a super zoom faster than the 100-500
Hi Jan, I am really confuse about the mirrorless camera which one should I buy is it Canon EOS R7 or Canon EOS R6 or Canon EOS R Would you please suggest thanks in advance
Second comments ... I usually shoot in Aperature or Manual. I change SS and ISO more than Aperature. I use aperature mainly for DoF . So I mayuse the lens contol ntrol ring for Aperature. The two main dials are then SS and ISO. PS ....Using CRAW and 15FPS sounds a great way to achieve over 100 shots in the buffer ... thanks for the tip.
How loud is the mechanical shutter sound compared to other cameras? I don't know if you had experience with Panasonic GH6, Olympus E-M1 III or OM1, Sony a6600. How it is compared to R5? Is it a problem in wildlife photography?
Hello Jan; wondering if you can comment on Fujifilm XH2 vsR7 on autofocus for wildlife . I have Fujifilm XT3 and not happy with autofocus. I am planning to switch and leaning towards R7. Though I like to know if you have experience on Fujifilm systems and your opinion on comparison between two cameras.
Hi Jan good review...I am still looking between 90D and R7 as a hobby wildlife phototherapy can you suggest which one should i get considering i have a Sigma 150-600mm
Thanks for the detailed reviews, all of yours. I’m about to get one of the R’s but I’m totally struggling to make a decision between R3, R5 and R7. It’s exclusively for bifs, birds, wildlife and should fit that purpose best. I’m not a cropper and try to fill the frame as good as possible by trying to get as close as possible. Of course higher resolution has a lot of benefits if it comes to details. But the stacked BSI sensor of the R3 offers a lot of other benefits and as I see it, 24 megapixel are sufficient. If Sony had put a stacked 33 megapixel BSI sensor in the 7M4 instead of a not stacked, the decision would have been easy, because of the ideal megapixel count and of course the FE 200-600 5.6-6.3 G OSS, as I see it the probably best and most versatile lens for the purpose bifs, birds, wildlife at an awesome good price. It’s a pity, Canon and Nikon don’t have a competitive lens, because I’d preferred Canon for a lot of other reasons over Sony and even Nikon. What I hate is that flippy screen thing, prone to break off. The Z9 and Fuji on e.g. the X-T2, X-T3 and some GFX have the perfect solution, flip-out, also in portrait position, much more rugged, always in lens axis and I am always behind the camera, this “you can film yourself” argument is total nonsense on that tiny screens. The Camera Conspiracy channel is right, there is no such thing like the perfect camera…
It seems shutter shock is worse, if a camera has IBIS, as the sensor is "floating". Not sure if Lightroom adds noise or if Canon DPP secretly applies noise reduction to make the Canon camera look better. I thought that the R7 was meant to be the flagship crop camera, but it seems that is not the case. Maybe there will still come a higher end crop camera.
Thanks for this field review Jan. I agree with all that you've said. I've had my R7 since June 23rd but have only taken about 600 shots. The "good" birds to photograph are few and far between right now at the Jersey Shore, USA. I'm using it with the RF 100-500mm. I also have an R5. I purchased Topaz DeNoise after seeing Duade's use of it. Overall, I am happy with my R7. Once I got past the expectations, as you said (future camera hopefully), for the money, it's a fine camera.
Hello. I already have a Canon R. Do you think canon r7 is a good option as a complement to don full frame??? I mainly shoot landscapes, macro and animals. maybe sports and video??? in the future I think canon R to replace with something better.
Not only can you turn the shutter volume down but you can turn it off while keeping a mechanical/Elec 1st Curtain shutter at 15fps and not get the rolling shutter that you get shooting in Silent Mode (which switches the camera to electronic shutter). I'd love to not get the rolling shutter at 30fps, but more than that I'd love to have a buffer that can handle 30fps for more than 2 seconds. Still, I'm very happy with the R7 as a companion to my R5. I'm hoping a lot of the IS and Focus issues will get fixed in later firmware updates as they were in the R5 & R6.
Hi! Fantastic review! Very helpful. I have one question. Is the shutter shock a problem at shutter speeds faster that 1/200s? When does it disappear? What setting should I avoid when I would like to avoid both rolling shutter AND shutter-shock?
Why not just use the RF lens programmable ring for the 'third' control dial? Map shutter speed and aperture to the camera dials and the iso to the lens dial.
My R7 and 100-500 arrived this week. I am fairly new to wildlife photography and have been using a D500 and a Tamron 150-600 G2. On my first trip on a nearby lake and marshes in my kayak I got way more keepers in just a couple of hours than I would with my previous setup in a day of shooting, despite fumbling with the controls and pressing the wrong buttons. The AF is a huge advance and the light weight of the body+lens greatly helped my acquisition and tracking. However it is not the high-end APS-C camera I really wanted. The incredible high-speed processor writes checks that the slow sensor and small buffer can't cash. The rolling shutter limits the applications of the high frame rate and pre-capture, and the viewfinder turns into a slideshow @ 15fps with the mechanical shutter. The lack of rubber seals around the battery and card doors is also concerning for use from a kayak, where splashes do happen. So I will enjoy using the R7, while hoping Canon (or Nikon) develops a high end stacked sensor APS-C body like the Fuji X-H2S.
Hi Ciaran, I enjoyed your post and I am coming from a D90 with the Tamron 150-600 G2 but mainly for wildlife video. I had my first quick go, and didn't have a lot of joy with the AF or the stabilisation. I just wanted to ask if you did a firmware update on the G2, and the AF settings that you have been using. Many thanks. Matt
Hi Jan, such a great review, giving heaps of info, congratulations! I am using my R7 in combination with my old but trusted EF300L f2.8 IS lens. With my previous camera 5DMk IV I used 1.4 all the time with this lens, now I find out i don't need an extender in most situations. I was in panic mode a little bit when receiving my R7 and testing it. My stabilization on the mentioned lens was working all the time. By researching a little bit I find out that many people have similar problems when pairing older EF telephoto with mirrorless cameras. By experimenting, I learn that I have to switch off IS on the lens when not using it, and that sorted my problem. It is one more button to touch but having this kind of glass on my camera is priceless. Here in Victoria is miserable weather lately and I can't wait to go out in the rainforest to test my R7 on a Lyrebirds. I am hoping to get great results with this combination despite the very low light out there in Dandenong Ranges. Great job mate! Cheers
With all EF and Rf lenses on mirrorless cameras, the stabilisation always runs. Not really a problem, just the design of the cameras with the evf. I let it run
Thanks for putting together this comprehensive review for us Jan! 👏🏻 Do you think Canon will ever make a more professional orientated crop sensor body?
I don't know if you still reply Jan , But just recently I was bought the Canon R7, it looked liked a very good option for me since it was on a sale for only $2000 AUD at Camera House. I knew about rolling shutter with the R7 and still thought "Its alright I will just deal with it". I don't think I will upgrade to a better camera and the R7 name will stay with me for a life time.😊 I want to do Wildlife and Macro photography one day.
Hi,I have an R3 and R5 and do a lot of sport so I got the R7 as a back up because the specs looked good, my opinion is similar to yours and if you are coming from a 7dii or 90d it is definitely an upgrade, but the shutter sound is not pleasant and auto focus no where near as accurate or fast as R3 but at its price point it is a phenomenal camera and the crop factor helps for both sport and wildlife. After using it for a few matches I will keep it for wildlife and use my 1dxii as backup to the R3,but it is still a great camera for the money.
Thanks for the review Jan. I was set to buy the R5 then the R7 was released. I currently have the 7D2. I love the crop of the 7D2 for wildlife, my primary subject, but sounds like the issues with the R7 may push me to the R5. I would love to see a review of the R5 in crop mode compared to the R7.
I'm an amateur, but I've had many mirrorless bodies, Sony A7III, Sony A7RII, Fuji XT3, Sony A7C, but I can't get used to the EVF, no matter how good they are. Eventually, I sold all my new gear (I'm not into video) and went back to using my trusty 6D and 7DmKII. I'm way older than you, and that's maybe the reason. Strangely enough, never updated my Canon bodies to Canon mirrorless (except the M50 that I had for a while). Now I have more money in my pockets and I'm a happy shooter.
@WhistleBit Nope, only when I shot film (30 years ago); I still have one of my Pentax Lenses. The brand is pretty much gone where I live. No knows that it even exists or existed. There isn't a single dealer or shop selling Pentax here. Sad.
I am planning to buy my first camera and I have shortlisted R7 infact I am pushing my budget little extra. I was thinking of Canon R10 or Sony A6400 before but my friend who is professional photographer recomend to go for R7. I want to develop my photography skills in landscape, some potrait and events occassionally some wildlife and birds he said it is good all rounder camera for the bigginer. The best part it has IBIS at this budget that many full frame entry level camera doesn't have.
It’s been stated that the R7 may not be a good 2nd body with R5 or R6, what about an R7 being the primary and my R becomes the second body? I’ve been using the R for 4 years with the EF 100-400 II for outdoor sports and would really like more reach and shutter speed. In Canada I can add an R7 to my kit for approximately what an RF 100-500 would cost after selling the EF 100-400 and 1.4x III that never gets used. The lens upgrade only solves one of my problems. It would be my first time having two bodies, is the R still worth keeping for low light and interior wider angles, or will I not want to use it after experiencing the R7 auto focus?
Thanks! It’s been a long time since we did a FaceTime and you showed me how to shoot birds in my backyard in San Diego. High time I bought you a beer again, since I always profit from your videos. My R7 arrives tomorrow and now I won’t expect it to be quite like my R5. Thanks.
Awesome! Enjoy it
Oh and thanks!
Bird shooter here got my R7 yesterday (UK) Have been using a 7DII and never touched a mirrorless before, for me the R7 has been a revelation and a massive improvement on 7DII. Obviously its early days but I'm already thinking of selling my 7DII and EF telephoto lenses with a view to buying RF 100-500 ..... that's how quickly the R7 has changed my world!
EXACTLY what I did! I had a 7D MKII and a Sigma 150-600mm... trade the 7D MKII for a $550 discount and tried it with the Sigma. It didn't perform as well as I had hoped, so I traded it in on the 100-500mm.. .i LOVE it!!!
@@mattbrash great minds think alike Matt .... think I'm going to do what you did. Do you prefer the 100-500 tp the Sigma?
@@matthewbrookes8561 Duade Paton just came out with a R7 and sigma 150-600 review today on the issue of pulsing.
@@matthewbrookes8561 yes, the 100-500mm is much sharper to my eye and focuses better... fantastic lens!!!..... I'm VERY happy with the combo!.... which EF lenses do you have?
@@matthewbrookes8561 Why would you even do that when the Sigma has never been marketed for Mirrorless nor is it one ...... You would have greater chance of screwing your warranty if something went fubar .
I have the Sigma .. I wouldn't even use it with a mirrorless Camera .
Great review mate, you covered everything well and for its price it performs very well. Cheers, Duade
Thanks Jan for this great review! For me all together the R7 seems to be a very capable camera that will handle every situation well as long as you don't go to the extremes.
For me it's no surprise that the full frame competitors work better at low light - that's to be expected as it is simple physics :)
I also don't think it's correct that the camera is always said to be a "sports and wildlife camera". In my opinion it's a perfect allround camera which also will produce great results as a travel camera, for landscapes, and all other purposes.
I don't understand all these guys complaining "the R3/R5 is better". Of course this is true but look at the price difference! You can buy three R7s for one R3!
I'm looking forward to get my new R7.
Yeah! 6,000 dollars, 4,000 dollars or 1,500 dollars!!
Extremes? You mean a bit of dust or rain? After all, it hasn't got proper weather proffing. Which is a bit dumb for a wildlife camera but then there are plenty of people who don't do their research so I am sure plenty will sell.
@@doghouseriley4732 Wym? It says that it's weather proofed everywhere.
@@doghouseriley4732 You are massively incorrect, It actually has weather sealing throughout the whole camera.... Therefore your statement is void, Good day mate.
14:49 geezz look at the details on the beak the cracks
Great review, thank for the work. Some people's comments though......
- Struggles in low light ? Well, its an APS-C so yeah. My 7D2 struggled in low light too. Since we are comparing things to the 7D2.....
- I'm glad to hear your comments about the EVF. Lots of griping about that before the cameras release. As if your photo quality is generated by the EVF........It's a "view finder". It finds the view..
- I'm happy it has 2 SD cards. I always hated how canon mixes card types in 2-card slot cameras. If canon had put in 2 CFXB cards, people would be complaining they have to buy the more expensive cards........
- Buffer is small. The camera is US$1500. Were you expecting an R3 ? Like Jan said, use CRAW, you get some extra frames and no one will look at your photos and say "i don't like it, you shot that in CRAW". I shoot airshows, 30 FPS for a second or two on a $1500 camera is like a dream. Even at 15FPS, it beats my 7D2. Since we're comparing everything to the 7D2.
- No battery grip. At first that really disappointed me. Then i remembered i carry 6 spare batteries in my bag now anyway. I can also place the R7 in my gear bag short-side down and now i have room for one more lens. Much more travel-friendly than my bulky, yet amazing, 7D2.
- Trying to decide between the R3, R5 and R7 ?? 3 cameras with very different prices.Its not even a sensical comparison. If you have R3 money, you aren't seriously considering the R7 anyway.
- I love my 7D2. Love it. What it wasn't though, is this mythical super-performer some people make it out to be.
In summary, go ahead and cancel all those pre-orders. It just means i'll get mine faster.
Best comment I've seen!
Hi Jan, great video as always with attention to details and very informative. I'm using the r7 with the rf 100 to 500 for about two weeks now and I'm very pleased with the performance of this combo. I find the ergonomics of the camera actually to be quite good. The two wheels are enough for me one set for shutters speed and one for the iso is all I need as the aperture is constant on 7.1
It works well for me. Remember no camera is perfect and no camera will perform perfectly in every situation. R5 paired with a 600 f4 will produce better images especially in low light conditions but having the r7 with the rf 100 to 500 as a light weight combo that you can handheld for hours and also having that nice 800mm focal length reach is definitely a wonderful option.
Really nice review of the camera. Though I still miss out a real comparison between the 7Dii and the R7, that for me is the more natural step.
Also interesting to hear that a lot of ppl made the expectations that R7 should be a R5 with crop sensor? For me it was clearly that it would be a mirrorless 7D, since R5 is a mirrorless 5D and the R6 is a mirrorless 6D...
This video is one year old but i had to said thank you. Unfortunately my 70D is broken. I am a hobbyphotographer and shoot voluntarily for our firefighters, school but also two weddings in the last 2 years and so i look for a replacement. Struggle between R10 or R7.
Now this video brings me to the final think: R7. Thanks a lot from germany. Now i have to look for a R7. ;)
So if you use Electronic shutter, you get rolling shutter and buffer issues; and if you use Mechanical, then you get a loud shutter noise, shutter shock and lose the pre-capture feature, eh? Oh, for Pete's sake. Thanks for pointing all this out.
That sums it up hehe
You are gonna have Rolling shutter also in the R5 or any other camera without an stacked sensor. Those which typically start at 8000 Eur.
Not so long ago, a couple of years actually, everybody was happy with 7-8 fps. Have the birds become so much faster lately, that now not having more than 1s at 30 fps is an issue?
@@Auracanal😂 faster birds! But seriously ppl forget these are imperfect tools. That’s just reality. Marketing seems to taunt the idea that a perfect tool will bring happiness.
Thanks for the video. Had been waiting for the mkii to come out, but with potential tariffs coming to the US, figured it was time to replace my 90D.
Thanks!
Thank You!!
Jan, great recap of the pros and cons of the R7 in the real world. Coming from the 7d ii, there is no comparison - this camera is a
amazing. Even my EF 100-100l ii with a 1.4 extender works far better than on my 7D ii. I agree the ergonomic change takes some getting used to, but generally works pretty well. I’ve noticed the noise in Lightroom, using Topaz Denoise gives me a very clean file. I hope Adobe improve noise handling, because running the files through DPP seems a bit slow ( it may be me, as ai don’t generally use it) and Topaz Denoise files are pretty large.
Dxo pureraw2 is also a good alternative
Great, this is exactly what I was looking for. Still no one have done a real comparison between the 7D ii and R7! So if the ISO and image quality is better then the 7D ii it's just the handling and autofocus left to compare, and hearing this is really what I needed :)
Tnx!
Great review Jan, very comprehensive, honest and informative.
Great review, I have the R7 and coming from a 90D it feels like a massive upgrade especially with birds. My question is does the eye tracking work in slo-mo video?
@dan i have the same query?
I didn’t try it, since it’s only 1080p, but I would think it does
I found a gamechanger with the 800 f11 and R7 the silent shutter allow a much slower speed of 50 instead of 400 when resting the camera on something which does not apply to other lenses apparently
Thank you so much Jan for the very detailed and informative review of R7! Very informative and helpful for me! God bless you and good luck!
Glad it was helpful!
This video is packed with useful information. It is also the first video I've watched of yours and I've already subscribed because of this high density content.
Cheers! And thank you.
Awesome, thank you!
Happy I watched this. Torn between R6ii and the R7. I think the extra reach wins but I am a hobbyist so my livelihood won’t depend on it!
We got this unit as a Xmas gift. It seems to be very complicated. Is there a setting where we can just set it to point and shoot, and it does everything for me like using the camera on my iPhone?
Superb video. Many of us are still waiting in the UK for the camera to arrive here and there are still very large waiting lists for it here...even Canon UK have no idea when these cameras will arrive
9:53 My hat off. He is so extraordinary!
Probably the best review of the R7. Not only is it not an R5 with crop factor, it's not even an R6 with crop factor. I'm dissatisfied with it because I have an R6 Ii, which is on another level, but will keep the R7 for the extra focal length.
Great to see Jan. I appreciate your autofocus setting tips. Picked up my R7 yesterday. Sold my 5DIV and 100-400 mk 1 to get this
I got some fantastic shot with the R7 and the RF 800mm f11 in good light as well as low light portrait shot with a shutter speed of 1/200 seconds handheld. I love that a can handhold this combo forever in any shooting position, especially at ground level to get eye level with your subject and creating background separation! 😊💕
Thanks for the great review Jan. I currently use a 90D and have an R7 on order. I was a little concerned about the R7, but this has made me feel more comfortable about the change.
You will be happy with it. The AF and video features on the mirrorless bodies are quite a step up.
Cheers Jan. Great review thanks. I really don’t know whether to keep my R7 or just be happy with the focal length of the R5/100-500 combo. Time will tell. The shutter noise is hideous but the electronic shutter has all the issues you speak of. I have a little hope in the back of my mind that Canon will release an “R7Pro”, with a new backlit sensor, bigger buffer and quieter shutter mechanism…..oh, and three wheels too 🤔🤔🤔. We can hope 😊
The shutter noise is abysmal! Like coin change dropping into a can. I'm with you on a pro version to get the missing specs we were all hoping for.
Don't hold your breath waiting for a pro version. I can't see that happening. It's Canon. They just give you enough to keep you hanging on and hoping....
Electric shutter is just fine , and I just turn the volume down ☺️
They better move it. The others are all over this. I have just seen the ef100-400 mk2 on a new X-H2S. It was awesome, 40fps, no rolling shutter, CF acrd slot and 120 RAW files shots before ou hit the buffer, no 30 shots like the R7. Weather sealed too!
@@doghouseriley4732 It's $1000 more. What do you expect?
Thanks for this great review. I already saw a lot of reviews of the R7, but your video was the one with the best information for me.
Awesome! Thank you!
I’m running the R7 alongside an R6. When shooting wildlife I’m shooting BIF 90% of the time. I did use the RF 800mm f11 with the R6 and it works well. I personally find that shooting that lens with the R7 is a little long for me for BIF at 1280mm. Works great for stationary birds. Lately I’ve actually been shooting mainly with the Canon 100-400 MKII and with the crop factor the 640mm is a sweet spot at a f5.6 aperture. On top of that the extra megapixels on the subject easily allows for up to a 200+% crop in post with a lot of detaiI should I need it. I don’t get that with my R6. The lens also works very well with the Canon 1.4xiii at f8 although I find it sharper at f10. So, in early morning and late in the day when I need a bright aperture I shoot at the effective 640mm wide open at f5.6. Midday I sometimes use the 1.4x. Nothing scientific but I feel that with the 32.5 megapixels I get better results cropping to 800mm in post. Very nice video Jan! Thank you.
I have a R7 on pre-order, this is the most useful review I have seen for this camera. Can't wait to the email from the camera shop saying it's arrived. Thanks for this review.
Outstanding review as always Jan. I would like to see more about the usuability of the electronic shutter for fast action for panning bird in flight shots. Also a separate video on on image quality compared to R5, specially using the files with DXO Pureraw and or Topaz Denoize to understand if there a significant advantage to R5 for files between ISO 800-3200. Thanks
Thanks for your detail review and presentation. I received my preordered R7 two days ago and unboxed it while waiting for yours and Duane’s R7 detailed reviews before I will set things up. Thank you again.
Jan, I have my brand new R7 and Canon 100-500 as an upgrade from Canon 90D and Sigma 150-600C. What a massive upgrade. I have Aperture set up on the ring on the camera shutter speed on the front wheel and ISO on the rear wheel.
I don't have or likely to have one of the big brothers R3,5 or 6.
I used the same setup with aperture on the ring. Came from the 80D and sigma and agree on the massive upgrade.
How are you finding it 3 months later? I am also moving from a 90D & Sigma 150-600C and encouraged to hear about the differences. I feel the eye AF features particularly will be a a pretty jaw dropping difference.
@@RB-rf8rf I love the camera, I have now set the rear wheel to exposure adjustment, but I am still getting the hang of that. The AF eye detect is fantastic upgrade from the 90D, but also the 100-500 lens has been brilliant. That lens will be a forever lens.. One of the early big criticisms about the R7 was that it only has 2 SD card slots and that the buffer will fill really quickly. I shoot in CRAW plus JPeg and rarely in electronic shutter mode because of potential rolling shutter issues. By shooting in bursts I have only maxed out the buffer a couple of times. So... in summary, very happy, I am sure the R6 and R5 are better cameras, but they are significantly more expensive and the crop sensor on the R7 gives me more reach and is what I am used to coming from a 90D. I love ❤️ it.
@@andrewkeir2282 Thanks for the reply, that's great to hear! Have you seen much of an issue with the supposed "shutter shock" when shooting in slower conditions? It looks like you can clean up noise so well these days that you could just bump ISO instead of reducing shutter speed where it would become an issue.
after watching many videos on the R7 yours was by far the best, and backed up what you were talking about with images and explanations. Very well done. You have helped me make my decision that I think the r7 will work just fine for me. thank you.
Awesome, thank you!
Really like my R7.... great camera for stills and 4k fine video. I've been using it with my canon rf 100-400mm f/5.6-8 lens and getting some really good results.
Great review Jan! Just a small correction, the EOS M6 Mark II was Canon's first camera to feature a raw burst mode with half a second of precapture.
Thanks for the info!
The RUclips content creators seem to be deliberately forgetting the whole M series, as no one mentions them when reviewing R7 or other R series cameras. They talk about R7 being Canon's first crop-sensor mirrorless camera. Makes me think they have been paid by Canon to dig the M series into the graveyard.
Off topic but I finally got to use my R5 on birds at a state park. They set up a blind with feeders and water so it was quite active. The eye auto focus amazed me. And the IBIS and IS was also amazing. Shooting 500mm hand held and I neglected to bump up my shutter speed but still got crystal clear images of the birds feathers. It was my first experience of taking such clear images that got all the feature detail that I've gawked at in other's images for a some time.
I am still somewhat confused about the video mode. It appears as soon as the video is rolling, the buttons on the back become mute. For example, the back button focus or the eye focus button I have connected to the star (*) button do nothing at all if I have already started capturing video. Maybe I have something misconfigured. I with the auto focus in video mode more closely matched the auto focus in photo mode. And then when I pick up the R5C, it is yet a whole other game but that I can understand. That camera has a different target market.
Anyhow... I enjoy your videos. I am curious if you ever shot film. I came from film to digital back in 2002. So most of your comments about buffer filling up cause a gentle smile to come across my face. In the old days, you had 36 frames TOTAL! 😜
Oh!!! I did have one question / comment: my R5 frequently gets "stuck" focused at infinity and hitting the back button focus doesn't unstick it. For example if the bird is in the brush and the camera decides to focus on the brush in the back ground, I can't force it to focus on the bird. I believe I have the back button focus set up like you suggest. Currently, I have to adjust the focus manually and then re-focus with the back button. Do you have that issue? Do you have a work around to avoid it?
12:53 DPP actually applies a lot of noise reduction to the files, even if you "turn off" the noise reduction. It applies a lot of color noise reduction (this reduces the color resolution). When Dpp needs to load parts of the image, one can actually see the true noise for a short time and then it is suddenly reduced.
Very interesting, thank you so much for this comment. I was worried I was going to have to change my workflow. LOL
@@PhilThach Though I noticed that converting the files with the Adobe dng converter leads to more noise (and probably worse signal to noise ratio) when opening the dng files in Affinity Photo (in comparison to Cr3 files in Affinity Photo) (but I guess this might be the case with all cameras and could be an incompatibility of Affinity Photo and the dng format, though I need to test whether other raw converters have the same issue).
In DPP, I always leave the default chrominance denoise setting as chosen by the camera. This removes the colour blotches.
The detail you refer to is the luminance detail. I set luminance denoise off for iso6400 and below, and half the camera luminance denoise for iso12800 ajd above - this presrves detail. The image 'perceived' detail is not in the chrominance channel.
Fyi, DPP also has superior lens correction profiles as compared to lightroom, and makes for sharper images. Ca is perfectly corrected in the way canon engineers intended.
ultimately, every software applies something, we never really see a true RAW file. Yet what matters the most is where we get the best final result
Thanks Jan, just what I was waiting for, I think this review has swayed be towards getting it. My dilemma is do I get rid of the R in trade or hang onto it (I have the R5 too) One question about DPP, do you process the RAW file completely in DPP then skip ACR and finish up the editing in PS. Thanks Jan for this real world review, much appreciated.
Wow. That was a very rapid fire description of the R7. I’ll definitely have to watch this one a few more times to get it all. Thanks for the info!
Can you please use tamron 150-600mm G2 on R7 and make a video on the experience!
I just got the camera, actually it is much better than I thought for it’s price point, R7 cost $1500 , while R5 cost $4200 so it is almost 1/3 if its price , and can deliver around 80% , I believe and and it is my personal opinion, if the issues you addressed where to be fixed, non of the professional sports/wildlife photographers will buy more expensive camera than R7, it would be “ R3 lite “
Think you, good and reliable report as always. I think, for this price point it’s unbeatible. I ordered one to retire my RP for escursions with few weight. I eagerly await it.
Thanks again for sharing your helpful advice on R7. I waited for your deep review of R7. I have been using R6 with some RF lenses. I guess it would be nice to buy R7 for a second camera of R6.
Thank you for honest review. I have clearly visible shutter shock blur on the R10, often in the range of 1/160 sec.. With the 1. electronic shutter curtain, the problem mostlly disappeared. I considered switching to the R7, but it doesn't seem to be any better. It's incomprehensible that cameras with such loud, poorly damped shutters are still being built today. Since I want to shoot sports with the camera, the electronic shutter is probably ruled out because of rolling shutter.
The R7 and most cameras are built to a price and compromises are made as a result. Had Canon used a BSI stacked sensor the problem wouldn't exist but this probably would have added $500 to the price and the camera would be in the R6 / R5 performance bracket. It's not in Canon's financial interest to allow that.
@@stevemurnan1702 Fujifilm, Lumix and Olympus offer much cheaper cameras than the Canon R7 without shutter shock problems and with well-damped shutters.
@@christianmayrhofer4178 I don't think any manufacturer offers the AF capability of the R7 at a lower price. However, Canon have cut corners to achieve a price point. Anything better than the current R7 spec would start eating into sales of their other cameras I suspect.
Thank Jan. A very thorough review. I'm looking forward to playing with the RAW files. Cheers
Thanks Jan.. Im waiting for my R7. I will be watching for your final settings when I receive delivery. Picked up many pointers for my R5 from you and will be looking forward for more tips. All the rumors about this camera has fueled my fire, have hand problems so the grip seems like it will help as well as the rear button arrangement. Thanks for your advice!!
Another great video. I'm using my R7 with the Sigma 150-600mm C lens. Initially it was great but then I optimised (with the USB DOCK UD-01 & Sigma Optimization Pro) the lens and now autofocus is not working. Do you have any thoughts on what might be going on? Has anyone else encountered this issue?
Good Video - For me the crop sensor and the ability to get the ability to get the 1.6 crop factor overwhelms any drawbacks - there are solutions if you are careful to minimize rolling shutter - thats the major drawback … using it with the 100-500 or the 200-8- and getting 800mm or 1280 is great … yes I would;d ;pve a battery grip and a dedicated ISO button similar to R6 Mk2 would be great … also I would like the button layout of R6 2 with on off lock on one side and video on off other side …. Within the 100-500 and 200-800 I am shooting in good light anyway so low light is not as much an issue for me … once again thanks for videos and excellent setup guides for R6Mk2 and R7 terry donofrio
Canon just shipped my R7 yesterday. Looking forward to testing it myself next week.
Do you plan to compare with the Fuji X-H2S?
Great balance in this review! Good work!
Glad you liked it!
fantastic review. But a question : at 8:30 you state that in dark conditions , so slow shutter speed , you get the most wobbles from the electronic shutter. I would expect the wobbles to be independent from the shutter speed, and are only related to the slow readout of the sensor. That readout speed is always the same. I switched from 90d to R7.
at low shutter speed, any movement seems to increase the wobbles, maybe due to the IS/IBIS working harder?
I've been using my R7 since early August, coming from an 80D. I used a Canon FT-QL film SLR from 1968 to 2004 when I got my first Digital Rebel, and worked my way up to the 80D over several cameras. As an old film SLR shooter, I immediately set the Control Ring on the lens to control aperture, and the main dial up top for shutter speed. I put ISO on the ring around the joystick - there are the three dials everyone has been complaining it doesn't have! I run in full-time Manual with the RGB histogram and shoot RAW.
I've switched over to full-time electronic shutter with a very quiet shutter sound so I have audible confirmation that I've actually taken a picture. I don't need 30 fps most of the time, or even 15 fps, so I run at 3 fps for candids of people. My question is: Wouldn't electronic shutter set to 15 fps avoid rolling shutter as well as shutter shock? Is the sensor read in a different way when the mechanical shutter is used?
I’m using an 80D right now, looking to upstage. Do you think the R7 is worth it coming form that? I do mostly products and studio work
@@collinsal1433 I would never go back to my 80D or any DSLR now that I have the R7. Its electronic viewfinder that shows the effect of your exposure settings and can also be set to show depth of field at the same time. The live RGB histogram lets me set the exposure to avoid over or under exposure. I run in Manual and shoot RAW. This camera is a joy to use.
I will be renting an R7, and an 800mm F11, hoping to better inform my online friend about the features. I did the same for the R5 and instantly fell in love with it. Canon finally got this long time Nikon shooter to switch.
I managed to borrow an R7 over the weekend, I too experienced what I could describe as "hunting" on the AF, more pronounced in low light/less bright len's as you mention. I would say hit rate for sharp images is around 25 to 33% in these conditions (but of course my poor light may vary to anyone else's), using tracking AF (Spot AF hit rate seems to be a lot higher). On the face of it, disappointing/frustrating, however, those that are sharp ...oh my word ...what wonderful images....so the real issue here is how to manage and cull so many images efficiently whilst in the field (using the camera to do this isn't going too work too well). I tried out the video FHD - slo mo function, using the lower end 100 to 400 RF on a bee hunting for pollen on a Verbena zoomed well in, I don't do much video ordinarily. the result was fantastic, and I believe eye AF seems to work here. So yes, some areas to disappoint, but with huge potential to produce superb images.
Thanks for the hint to use DPP for the RAWs! I think many people believe the R7 has poor high iso performance because they only use lightroom and/or photoshop.
You are the first, as far as I know, who mentions shutter-shock. And you are absolutely right!
I recognized it with the adapted Canon 15-85mm @15mm with slow (mechanical!) shutter speed. All pictures were unusable. At first I thought it was only a problem with this specific adapted lens. After testing I found out the problem is definitely shutter-shock and not the lens.
Overall electr. 1. curtain shutter and cRAW works quite well for me.
I guess going from a 1200D to the R7 is a massive jump, and one which I’ll be very happy with. I’ve decided I’m going to have to try to start selling some of my portrait bird images in order to earn some money to buy the RF lenses and maybe eventually a full frame R5 to cope with low light. I’ll wait till the Black Friday sales to obtain the most for my limited money. Thanks so much for the reviews to date on this camera and I look forward to more from you Jan. Much appreciated. Enjoy your day. 😀
I've found the R6 handles low light better than the R5 if you want to save some money! Less megapixels but you'd have to be printing HUGE to notice a quality drop off. Something to think about I guess :)
I'm coming from a 1300d. Buying the R7 soon along with the sigma 150-600. I know the professionals are complaining about a few things but for us this is like upgrading from a Cessna to a f22 raptor. Did you manage to buy one and if so how are you liking it compared to the 1200d.
Very helpful review, thank you. One question, any idea when Canon might open their mirror less mount to 3rd party lens makers? Why can’t Sigma etc just reverse engineer it ?
possibly never. Not much of an incentive for them
Great video and pertinent info thanks!! What is the buffer like when shooting high speed in JPEG?
Great review! Have been using the 7DII since they came out. Almost got the R6 last year when it was looking like no crop body was coming up. Glad I waited and now have an R7 on order. Looking forward to the mirrorless crop body.
I was in the same boat as you. Was about to order the R6 but then pre orders opened for the R7. I miss the buttons and the battery grip but the eye AF is perfect to capture the kids now. Even the kit lens is good fun. Adapts EF perfectly. I’m just waiting for the 17-55 successor and maybe a super zoom faster than the 100-500
Hi Jan,
I am really confuse about the mirrorless camera
which one should I buy is it Canon EOS R7 or Canon EOS R6 or Canon EOS R
Would you please suggest
thanks in advance
Second comments ... I usually shoot in Aperature or Manual. I change SS and ISO more than Aperature. I use aperature mainly for DoF . So I mayuse the lens contol ntrol ring for Aperature. The two main dials are then SS and ISO.
PS ....Using CRAW and 15FPS sounds a great way to achieve over 100 shots in the buffer ... thanks for the tip.
Changing aperture is pretty rare so I have it on the control ring like you said. Works great with ISO on the thumb wheel.
How loud is the mechanical shutter sound compared to other cameras? I don't know if you had experience with Panasonic GH6, Olympus E-M1 III or OM1, Sony a6600. How it is compared to R5? Is it a problem in wildlife photography?
Hello Jan; wondering if you can comment on Fujifilm XH2 vsR7 on autofocus for wildlife . I have Fujifilm XT3 and not happy with autofocus. I am planning to switch and leaning towards R7. Though I like to know if you have experience on Fujifilm systems and your opinion on comparison between two cameras.
You will find my next video interesting 😁
Would you recommend this camera as second body for Nikon users.?
Hi Jan good review...I am still looking between 90D and R7 as a hobby wildlife phototherapy can you suggest which one should i get considering i have a Sigma 150-600mm
Thanks for the detailed reviews, all of yours. I’m about to get one of the R’s but I’m totally struggling to make a decision between R3, R5 and R7. It’s exclusively for bifs, birds, wildlife and should fit that purpose best. I’m not a cropper and try to fill the frame as good as possible by trying to get as close as possible. Of course higher resolution has a lot of benefits if it comes to details. But the stacked BSI sensor of the R3 offers a lot of other benefits and as I see it, 24 megapixel are sufficient. If Sony had put a stacked 33 megapixel BSI sensor in the 7M4 instead of a not stacked, the decision would have been easy, because of the ideal megapixel count and of course the FE 200-600 5.6-6.3 G OSS, as I see it the probably best and most versatile lens for the purpose bifs, birds, wildlife at an awesome good price. It’s a pity, Canon and Nikon don’t have a competitive lens, because I’d preferred Canon for a lot of other reasons over Sony and even Nikon. What I hate is that flippy screen thing, prone to break off. The Z9 and Fuji on e.g. the X-T2, X-T3 and some GFX have the perfect solution, flip-out, also in portrait position, much more rugged, always in lens axis and I am always behind the camera, this “you can film yourself” argument is total nonsense on that tiny screens. The Camera Conspiracy channel is right, there is no such thing like the perfect camera…
For me, having the screen flip forward is extremely helpful when filming.
If you don't mind the pixel count, the R3 is by far the best camera.
thanks you !Jan but now ... did i keep my 90D or i seel t and buy this R7
Watching reviews this would be a huge upgrade for someone like me coming from a Canon T7.
It seems shutter shock is worse, if a camera has IBIS, as the sensor is "floating".
Not sure if Lightroom adds noise or if Canon DPP secretly applies noise reduction to make the Canon camera look better.
I thought that the R7 was meant to be the flagship crop camera, but it seems that is not the case. Maybe there will still come a higher end crop camera.
Excellent review, thinking of getting one of these. Anything is an improvement on my lumix G9. Thanks
Thanks for this field review Jan. I agree with all that you've said. I've had my R7 since June 23rd but have only taken about 600 shots. The "good" birds to photograph are few and far between right now at the Jersey Shore, USA. I'm using it with the RF 100-500mm. I also have an R5. I purchased Topaz DeNoise after seeing Duade's use of it. Overall, I am happy with my R7. Once I got past the expectations, as you said (future camera hopefully), for the money, it's a fine camera.
so AF pulsation also occurs with canon lens, not just the sigma.
BUT with less extreme.
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Excellent review. Just ordered mine from China as they no longer supply the UK, so really looking forward to it.
Hello. I already have a Canon R. Do you think canon r7 is a good option as a complement to don full frame???
I mainly shoot landscapes, macro and animals. maybe sports and video??? in the future I think canon R to replace with something better.
Thank you for this review Jan.
Awesome video like always, thanks for sharing all the useful information 👍👌
Not only can you turn the shutter volume down but you can turn it off while keeping a mechanical/Elec 1st Curtain shutter at 15fps and not get the rolling shutter that you get shooting in Silent Mode (which switches the camera to electronic shutter). I'd love to not get the rolling shutter at 30fps, but more than that I'd love to have a buffer that can handle 30fps for more than 2 seconds. Still, I'm very happy with the R7 as a companion to my R5. I'm hoping a lot of the IS and Focus issues will get fixed in later firmware updates as they were in the R5 & R6.
It’s not possible to turn off the mechanical shutter sound
Thank you so much … this was the perfect video for me concerning the R7. It is time to switch from Fuji to Canon.
Hi! Fantastic review! Very helpful. I have one question. Is the shutter shock a problem at shutter speeds faster that 1/200s? When does it disappear? What setting should I avoid when I would like to avoid both rolling shutter AND shutter-shock?
Why not just use the RF lens programmable ring for the 'third' control dial? Map shutter speed and aperture to the camera dials and the iso to the lens dial.
600 doesn't have one on R7 and on 100-500 it's too far back towards the camera
My R7 and 100-500 arrived this week. I am fairly new to wildlife photography and have been using a D500 and a Tamron 150-600 G2. On my first trip on a nearby lake and marshes in my kayak I got way more keepers in just a couple of hours than I would with my previous setup in a day of shooting, despite fumbling with the controls and pressing the wrong buttons. The AF is a huge advance and the light weight of the body+lens greatly helped my acquisition and tracking.
However it is not the high-end APS-C camera I really wanted. The incredible high-speed processor writes checks that the slow sensor and small buffer can't cash. The rolling shutter limits the applications of the high frame rate and pre-capture, and the viewfinder turns into a slideshow @ 15fps with the mechanical shutter. The lack of rubber seals around the battery and card doors is also concerning for use from a kayak, where splashes do happen. So I will enjoy using the R7, while hoping Canon (or Nikon) develops a high end stacked sensor APS-C body like the Fuji X-H2S.
Hi Ciaran, I enjoyed your post and I am coming from a D90 with the Tamron 150-600 G2 but mainly for wildlife video. I had my first quick go, and didn't have a lot of joy with the AF or the stabilisation. I just wanted to ask if you did a firmware update on the G2, and the AF settings that you have been using. Many thanks. Matt
If my backorder ever comes in I’ll let you know what I think of it have the RP right now.
Hi Jan, such a great review, giving heaps of info, congratulations! I am using my R7 in combination with my old but trusted EF300L f2.8 IS lens. With my previous camera 5DMk IV I used 1.4 all the time with this lens, now I find out i don't need an extender in most situations. I was in panic mode a little bit when receiving my R7 and testing it. My stabilization on the mentioned lens was working all the time. By researching a little bit I find out that many people have similar problems when pairing older EF telephoto with mirrorless cameras. By experimenting, I learn that I have to switch off IS on the lens when not using it, and that sorted my problem. It is one more button to touch but having this kind of glass on my camera is priceless. Here in Victoria is miserable weather lately and I can't wait to go out in the rainforest to test my R7 on a Lyrebirds. I am hoping to get great results with this combination despite the very low light out there in Dandenong Ranges. Great job mate! Cheers
With all EF and Rf lenses on mirrorless cameras, the stabilisation always runs. Not really a problem, just the design of the cameras with the evf. I let it run
Thanks for putting together this comprehensive review for us Jan! 👏🏻
Do you think Canon will ever make a more professional orientated crop sensor body?
They didn’t leave much room by naming this one R7
super would like to see it with 0.71 speed booster and is the 800 rf soft with the crop factor?
Excellent review, Jan!
I don't know if you still reply Jan , But just recently I was bought the Canon R7, it looked liked a very good option for me since it was on a sale for only $2000 AUD at Camera House. I knew about rolling shutter with the R7 and still thought "Its alright I will just deal with it". I don't think I will upgrade to a better camera and the R7 name will stay with me for a life time.😊 I want to do Wildlife and Macro photography one day.
Great to hear
Hi,I have an R3 and R5 and do a lot of sport so I got the R7 as a back up because the specs looked good, my opinion is similar to yours and if you are coming from a 7dii or 90d it is definitely an upgrade, but the shutter sound is not pleasant and auto focus no where near as accurate or fast as R3 but at its price point it is a phenomenal camera and the crop factor helps for both sport and wildlife. After using it for a few matches I will keep it for wildlife and use my 1dxii as backup to the R3,but it is still a great camera for the money.
Assign the ISO to the lens control ring.
hello, is it possible to save a still image from the r7 4k video in the camera?
Thanks for the review Jan. I was set to buy the R5 then the R7 was released. I currently have the 7D2. I love the crop of the 7D2 for wildlife, my primary subject, but sounds like the issues with the R7 may push me to the R5. I would love to see a review of the R5 in crop mode compared to the R7.
R5 is crop mode is just the camera cropping for you. So there's no real advantage to just shooting wide and cropping later
I'm getting the R7 soon and I might mainly be using it as for portrait and side nature what would you think about it
I'm an amateur, but I've had many mirrorless bodies, Sony A7III, Sony A7RII, Fuji XT3, Sony A7C, but I can't get used to the EVF, no matter how good they are. Eventually, I sold all my new gear (I'm not into video) and went back to using my trusty 6D and 7DmKII. I'm way older than you, and that's maybe the reason. Strangely enough, never updated my Canon bodies to Canon mirrorless (except the M50 that I had for a while). Now I have more money in my pockets and I'm a happy shooter.
@WhistleBit Nope, only when I shot film (30 years ago); I still have one of my Pentax Lenses. The brand is pretty much gone where I live. No knows that it even exists or existed. There isn't a single dealer or shop selling Pentax here. Sad.
How does it work with EF lenses with adapter? Especially faster EF glass
How does it work with canon EF 400mm f/5.6 non IS Lens with EF to RF mount converter.
I am planning to buy my first camera and I have shortlisted R7 infact I am pushing my budget little extra.
I was thinking of Canon R10 or Sony A6400 before but my friend who is professional photographer recomend to go for R7.
I want to develop my photography skills in landscape, some potrait and events occassionally some wildlife and birds he said it is good all rounder camera for the bigginer. The best part it has IBIS at this budget that many full frame entry level camera doesn't have.
It’s been stated that the R7 may not be a good 2nd body with R5 or R6, what about an R7 being the primary and my R becomes the second body? I’ve been using the R for 4 years with the EF 100-400 II for outdoor sports and would really like more reach and shutter speed. In Canada I can add an R7 to my kit for approximately what an RF 100-500 would cost after selling the EF 100-400 and 1.4x III that never gets used. The lens upgrade only solves one of my problems. It would be my first time having two bodies, is the R still worth keeping for low light and interior wider angles, or will I not want to use it after experiencing the R7 auto focus?
Nice review will provide my thoughts once I get the camera, take care!!