That's possibly the best breakdown of the advantages and disadvantages of shutter modes I've seen. As always provided by you a great video - many thanks matey
You are without any doubt, the nicest birdwatcher I have seen. Almost every other birdwatcher I see doesn’t seem to reveal they make mistakes too and have lots of bad shots. You make us seem like any camera is welcome in terms of taking good bird photos. Hats off to you!
Thanks, you are too kind, we are all human and make mistakes all the time. It is trying to enjoy the process and accept the mistakes as part of the journey. Have fun, Cheers, Duade 👍
To me you're the definition of the word "Teacher". Whenever I need to refresh my memory or learn new things, your channel is the first place to visit. Thank you for doing these videos.
When I saw the title, I thought the video might just be a rant (which would be out of character). Instead, that was a balanced and really informative discussion of the shutter modes. Thanks and well done.
Thanks Andy, I must admit thumbnails and titles are the hardest part of RUclips, it really is an artform to itself on what people click on and what they don't. Cheers, Duade
"I'm not an expert"...after he documents and analyzes every combination and known issues with EVERYTHING. Ya, new sub here, and maybe a member soon. Thank you Duade.
My word, you've nailed it in this video. A briefing sections for someone who don't understand the concept yet, to the full explanation in one single video. Well done 👏👏👏 Edit: 7:29 is so bizarre yet a perfect example for rolling shutter in a still shoot.
This video is, without a doubt, the most comprehensive and enjoyable tutorial on the subject I've seen to date. And actually, I don't believe there is anyone out there who will challenge making a better one. Yours is one of my favorite channels. Anyhow, as a sport photographer, I still find it gratifying to aim that long lens at an athlete, press the shutter release, and hear that loud machine gun sound. The Nikon camera I use makes no sound except for synthesized sound, if the user chooses. With that turned off, one would have no audible feedback so the company has implemented a thin red line on the boarder of the EVF to indicate you are shooting. Thanks again Duade , Ted in Sebastian, Fl.
Wow! You put a LOT into this presentation!! Thanks for everything you do for the benefit of others!!! The chart was most informative across the board for everyone watching and your condensed yet thorough explanation of the different aspects related to shutter operations is a must see for every photographer!! (I know...the exclamation marks are getting redundant, but you really knocked this one out-of-the-park!) Thanks, Duade!!!
Thanks Chris, you are too kind, I am happy to hear it was helpful and will be to others going forward, I learnt a lot too which is great. Cheers, Duade
Fantastically well researched and presented video Duade, I can absolutely see it becoming a resource for the wildlife photographer community long into the future whenever someone has questions about this topic. Cheers!
Thank you Duade! This is by far the best breakdown video of various shutter modes. And also love the way you include us subscribers as well. Looking forward to more videos!
Hi Duade! You have an excellent channel and did a great overview of the R7 rolling shutter issue. I have an R7 and use the100-500RF. However I don't find the rolling shutter as much of a problem and even prefer to shoot on ES with slower flying birds like ducks, herons, cormorants, pelicans, gulls, skimmers, even some shorebirds, turn off the IS on the lens (is not needed at shutter speeds of 3200 or more anyway, IBIS distortion gone) and shoot in H+ mode for 30fps just shoot until the buffer is full. More photos = more keepers. I use a fast kensington SDXC UHS-II card so the buffer is cleared fast. With hummingbirds that's another story, horrible rolling shutter with the r7, EFCS there is needed absolutely, in that mode H+ gets 15fps and that is fast too anyway. So I have Custom mode 1 with ES for slow birds and Custom mode 2 with EFCS for hummingbirds. My two cents!! Keep the good work!!! - Greetings from Panama!!!
Great explanation. I had all the problems you described and decided on electronic first curtain without knowing why. Now I have a reason. I got drastic and interesting rolling shutter photographing a hummingbird with full electronic and this caused me to see if I could capture the action with less problem. With a cooperative hummingbird I was able to experiment and found the same results you described. Now I know what to do, when, and why and use the rolling shutter for its artistic effects when I want to. Thanks again😊
I loved seeing a 40D. That's still my daily driver. Currently torn between upgrading to a 90D or an R7. Your videos have been very helpful and informative
I was going to upgrade from my 7d mk2 for a R7 but I think I will wait until these mirror less cameras come up to speed and sort out these issues, there a bit like electric cars they are new kids on the block and need time to sort out . Very good video well explained.
I bought the R7 + RF 100-500 six months ago as my first serious wildlife photography camera. As a beginner, it has been an amazing combo. However, as I have learned more and improved my skills, I have become frustrated with the low-light performance, shutter shock, and rolling shutter. I've decided to buy a R5, but wanted to go back and look at R7 reviews as well to confirm that I was making the right choice. This video definitely helped me confirm my decision, yet I cannot stress enough that the R7 is amazing for the price. Fun Fact: I just noticed that I'm using the same lens skin on the 100-500! 😆
Thanks for the feedback and great to hear you are enjoying the videos. The R5 is a wonderful camera and a nice upgrade from the R7. Have fun with it, yes the camo is great. Cheers, Duade
Nice video. I had discussed this subject I a few videos about how the sensor readout speed on many cameras is the root of the rolling shutter issue. And you drove that point home in a video of its own. Glad you made this video. Personal shake and the IBIS are very important to remember as you stated. My non RS keeper is closer to 70% vs your 40+% and you described that well by being shakier with the long lenses plus using the EF 500 for less IS wobble. Thanks again for a detailed video.
My pleasure mate, yep, I suspect the slow readout impacts the AF of the R7 also. Yeah, I shake a lot which does impact shots, my keeper rate on the R5 is much higher which is interesting. Cheers, Duade
R7 here from Austria. The shutter broke after 1 Month of mechanical usage, was repaired on warranty. So now I'm shooting electronically :-) . Works great for me. Great video Duade!
Awesome presentation Duade. You have obviously put a great deal of work into this. Your research and presentation are very impressive. I actually understood what you were talking about and for an old dinosaur (me) I learnt a lot. Thank you.
Great Job Duade. Your videos have so much educational value. Topics are well explained, wonderfully illustrated. Always a joy to look at, each time I learn something. Thank you 😀
I just wanted to echo others in saying thanks for efforts and time you go to to illustrate the many variables associated with wildlife photography. You are out there on your own with the quality and depth you present to help us with out techniques and decision making. Thank you.
@@Duade well deserved feedback Duade. My concerns about the r7 at release made me jump to the xh2s and adapted sigma 150-600mm. I havnt seen any noticeable warping yet thanks to the stacked sensor. V sharp too as no AA filter unlike the R7. Thanks again for your help in deciding.
I only have one word for this video... "FANTASTIC!!!!" Very nicely done and extremely informative. I take a lot of photos of race cars (while racing) and propeller planes (in flight)... So glad I watched this video before making a final decision on my next body acquisition... Thank you!
thanks Duade, i now know all about rolling shutter. what a mine of useful info, your videos are very watchable, i know all sorts of useful stuff, mainly from watching your channel, one of the best photo channels on the tube.. thanks again 😎
I really enjoyed this video. The breakdown between explanation, examples and comparisons between multiple cameras and their samples really helped explain this complicated issue.
You can have audible feedback for electronic shooting on the R7! I really did not like the complete silence when shooting but I came across another RUclipsr (Wild Alaska) who mentioned that changing the "silent shooting off" and changing the volume of the sound does apply to electronic. I set the volume to 1 so it was still low enough to hopefully not disturb wildlife yet I could hear it when the camera was at my face. I was so much more comfortable with electronic after that!
This was really helpful, I knew not to use my electronic shutter on my R10, but I didn’t know why. This explains it really well and I fully understand it now
Thanks for all the great videos. New to shooting and recently got an R7. You're videos have taught me a lot, from gear and software reviews to the technical and mechanical side of photography. Thanks 👍
I am thinking of going Canon mirrorless and this is the first video I have found which clearly explains the different shutter modes, the differences between them and the advantages and disadvantages of each. Thank you very much.
Geez..Thanks so much Duade.. You made a great argument for sticking with my DSLR for birds and action! Thanks for the incredible work and detail you put into these videos!
Thanks Daniela, I think they have the best system of all, that it starts in EFCS and switches to mechanical at high SS. They should all have that option. Cheers, Duade
Excellent, excellent, excellent! This was your most substantive technology review yet that I have seen and answered many questions for me that I have had for a long time. Thanks for your time and effort!
Wonderfully well presented Duade! In an earlier lifetime I was a trainer and I'm jealous that you turned a potentially dull and complex subject into one that I was happy to spend time on. Not only that, but I came away with comprehensive and usable knowledge. Great examples and well researched! It's obvious from the comments that you've helped lots of photographers with a topic that was needing just this sort of explanation! Thank you!
Thanks for this excellent discussion of the shutter modes. I wish I knew these differences and their effects much sooner, it explains many of the issues I’ve experienced with my R5. The chart you made is most helpful in understanding the differences in the various camera models and their sensor technology. I wish this was more readily available. Great job Duade!
I fist met you on your video about you and are similar to you in that in 2001 I too ended up with a pacemaker and thought my life is over but when seeing your storie you are so inspiring and I'm ready too take on this birding thing
Very good video Duade! One thing to keep in mind about the 14bits advantage of MS, is that this benefit only applies to picture taken under ISO800, because 14bits DR is only achievable at base ISO. By the time you cross ISO800 you will get about 12bits of DR, at ISO3200 around 10bits and at 6400 around 9bits.. Important point since most wildlife pictures are usually shot at over ISO800. (Look the dynamic range chart of the R5 for example)
Fantastic video Duade, it answered a few nagging questions I had and provided me with a lot of helpful information. I have an R5 with RF lens, and I shoot mainly birds. I stopped using electronic shutter, and only shoot mechanical now, as I took one shot of an Osprey that had a teensy bit of rolling shutter on its wing tips, and I was worried if I get an absolute cracking shot that it may be ruined by the rolling effect. One thing I wanted to mention is; for me, the noise of the mechanical shutter is a bonus. I find the birds I shoot seem curious about the noise and they give me some unusual poses as they turn their heads on their side, almost as of they are saying "whats that noise?". I couldn't say the noise of the shutter has ever scared birds I am photographing, the noise from the photographer is another thing entirely. 😁 I appreciate your work doing these videos and helping us all out.
Thanks Craig and great point re the eye contact and pose from the noise. I have the same experience, only a few get scared by the shutter. Cheers, Duade 👍
Hi Chan, it was shot with the eye tracking of the R5 which is very impressive, I did you manual focus first to get it in the right plane and the dragonfly was hovering in the same spot which made it easier. Cheers, Duade
Great video , I will be using my R7 in first curtain , I am going on a safary soon and I move from a 90d to the R7 ( 90d will be my back up) using a Tamron 100-400
Thanks for your great video. You have always something useful info. I am an owner of R6. I can see many times rolling shutter issues with moving subjects. Thanks again for your helpful content.🙏
Great video! This is one of the reasons the R7 missed the mark for me - the worse ergonomics and lacking a third exposure dial, not as many customisable buttons (a problem I had with the original R), and severe rolling shutter in electronic shutter mode. I still have a glimmer of hope that Canon have something higher end up their sleeve - with the control layout of the R5 or R6 and a backside illuminated APSC sensor with very fast readout speeds. I just don’t know why they didn’t call this an R70, to leave room for a ‘true’ R7.
Thanks William, totally agree, if they had named it the R70 we would likely have been less harsh and left space for a true 7D replacement. Cheers, Duade
Always interested in your comments about the R7 as I have one, and reassured by your balanced presentation on other camera performance. I realized the specs on the R7 would be less than the significantly more expensive R5 or R3, so accept that the performance would be lower in comparison. But also feel better knowing that all mirrorless cameras currently suffer some issues. Looking forward to your thoughts about optimizing the R7 within its limitations. Your videos are really helpful.
Great video! You do a great job of explaining the different shutter modes and pros & cons of each. I particularly liked the chart comparing different camera readout speeds. Very helpful as I shop for a new body. Thank you for the great content!
You did a great job, thank you very much. I use a z9 so always in electronic, and for what I photo (wildlife) I have not noticed any rolling shutter - but I have not tried to photo things like a plane or drone blade in motion. I think for anyone having any of the newer models from any of the manufactures there has never been a better time to be someone who enjoys wildlife photography.
Great video Duade, thank you 👍🏻 like you, I almost exclusively use electronic shutter with my R5 and RF1-5. The only issue I have really noticed is the occasional first frame in a sequence being slightly warped which you have explained perfectly. Appreciate you doing all the research for everyone 🙏 all the best Doug
Very informative video. Thanks for doing it. I've seen very few issues with rolling shutter on my Olympus EM-1 Mark III. With a very few exceptions, including my photo that you used in the video, the rolling shutter issues haven't caused any really strange abstracts. From what I understand, the new OM1 with its stacked sensor is even better. I'd guess within a few years rolling shutter will be a thing of the past in new mirrorless cameras. I love the ability to shoot silently.
Really good video Duade. Thanks for doing the research and giving such good examples. I shoot with a Z9 and a Z6. The difference is more noticeable during whip panning. I can confirm that the Z9 has no perceptible rolling shutter in every situation I have shot. Keep up the great work. 👍🏻
@@Duade cheers. I hope the R1 is a great camera too. In the past Canon have been great innovators. It would be good to see them at the very pointy end again. All the best.
Thanks so much for this amazing demonstration and explanation of rolling shutter this is by far and away the best I have seen. The practical explanation and the video footage was great! Cheers
Fantastic explanations. Clear, precise and understandable. This will help a lot of people starting photography. Thank you for all your efforts in putting this together.
That was very informative and I’m going to have to watch again because there’s so much information to take in. It goes along way to explain why only yesterday I was photographing Grebes and the blue square was on the eye but the image was slightly soft due to pointing down to a dark water and the shutter speed crashed. Mick .G uk.
Hi Duade, I love the work that you are doing. There was an incident in San Francisco, where a photographer while working on a wedding was beaten by two-armed gunmen and pistol-whipped. This photographer never let go of his camera gear and unfortunately, he took a beating. Two photography channels offered up a challenge for the Community with Channels to speak up on the safety and awareness of photographers and videographers alike. You are such a Photographer. The two channels that are talking about this and offering this challenge are Vahagraphy and 247 Media Group. If you get time out of your busy schedule, check this out starting with Vahagraphy, who brought this out to the community on his channel and please make some noise about this on your channel as well as it threatens our art and it is often forgotten!!!
Thanks so much Duade. I learned a lot too. You made this easy to understand. A must watch video for anyone shooting mirrorless without a BSI Stacked sensor.
@@doghouseriley4732 No camera is perfect. I have researched the R7 thoroughly since its announcement and believe the pros outweigh the cons for what I want to use it for. It will be far from a waste of money for me and I'm looking forward to getting my hands on one.
Thanks Panop, they are saying 40% faster than the R6 so in theory it must be around 12.4ms or 1/80 which seems very fast for a FSI, I look forward to seeing what it actually is. Cheers, Duade
Very well done video! I find that I’m not using my R7 as much as I could be because of the rolling shutter. If the mechanical shutter was a bit quieter (like my R6) I would use it. But it’s not, so I won’t. I have mostly been using my OM-1 lately because of that. I haven’t decided if I’m going to keep the R7. It can produce amazing images for the price. Personally I would love for someone to come out with a “flagship” APS-C body for wildlife. I find myself needing the extra reach more than I need the ISO performance of full frame.
Thanks for sharing Rod, I guess the Fuji XH2S is the front runner at the moment or the OM1 in m4/3rds. I look forward to seeing what Nikon and Sony do in response to the R7. I do hope the D500 mirrorless is a beast. Cheers, Duade
Outstanding work here, Duade! This is the best rolling shutter breakdown video I've seen by far. I'm interested in the electronic shutter speed on the new R6 mark ii sensor. I have the occasional jello wobble shot with electronic on both my R7 and my R6 which I just sold and ordered an R6ii. I think it's supposed to be faster but obviously not as fast as a stacked sensor. Thanks for this great video!
Thanks Phil, my pleasure, I have my fingers crossed for 12.8ms 1/80 which will be faster than the R5 and very close to stacked sensor speeds which is impressive. Have fun with it when it arrives. Cheers, Duade
ahhh you learned alot as you say... well you also thaught a lot... so that made me learn a lot... more detailed than I knew... well than I thought I knew! Thank you for this great work from the Netherlands! Cheerio!
Thanks Larry, I believe EFCS is better due to the reduced shutter shock, if you are using a lens with an aperture greater than f4 we really should not encounter those background issues. Cheers, Duade
Thank you for this video ! I didn't know about the readout speeds values. There are still some questions in my mind, but I'll go research further on the geeky technical bits.
@@Duade It definitely is ! Now I'd like to know what is the reason why the mechanical shutter does have a faster readout speed than the electronic, considering that it is the same sensor behind that. I'm clearly missing something and that tickles my brain haha!
@@bricoschmoo1897 My understanding is the readout speed of the sensor is the same either in mechanical or electronic which is confusing. The speed of the mechanical shutter is how quickly the shutter moves across the sensor exposing the light to the sensor not how fast the sensor reads that light. So in ES the shutter is exposed to light constantly and turns off and then on each line of the sensor sequentially and reads it. With MS the sensor actually starts with no light at all (the shutter curtain is blocking the light) so all of the pixels are reset at once. They then all turn on as you take the photo and the mechanical shutters work letting a certain amount of light to hit the sensor. The pixels then wait to be read (no light is hitting the sensor as the curtain is blocking the light) in a rolling fashion but the data captured was faster than the read out if that makes sense. I am not 100% on that but I believe that is roughly how it works. Cheers, Duade
@@Duade Thank you so much for this explanation! That's what I read elswere also, and it's very logical. For the electronic shutter, as there is a need to reset each line before its values are stored in memory, the exposure of the last line is read "much" later than the first line.
Duane, thank you thank you thank you for this explanation of rolling shutter. As others have said yours is among the best explanations! I shoot Sony cameras, and my first experience with rolling shutter was an s-shaped hummingbird wing, then the leaning vertical trees and fences. Most of my mirrorless experience is with the sony a7r and a7 series, also the crop sensor cameras - all of which have pretty bad rolling shutter. I shoot electronic shutter most of the time because it is quiet and there is obviously no wear and tear on the shutter. I spend a lot of time shooting large soaring or “slow wing speed” birds, herons, cranes and raptors, also perched birds, so it’s not always an issue. I have a newer A7riv, which has terrible rolling shutter, about as bad as a cropped sensor camera I used to own, the a6500. I also have an A9 and pick that up almost exclusively when shooting BIF. I’m using the mechanical shutter more with the a7riv. I still have my old a7riii as a backup - I’ll have to compare the two a7r cameras. I suspect the riv is worse - but not sure now. I have a question for you: I really like that thin cover on your lens - what is it? Do you have an affiliate link to it? Thank you again, keep up the great work!
Thanks for the input Karn, always good to hear from Sony users, yes I have heard those cameras have slow read out also. If you google 3M Lens Cover and your lens you should get a few options. Just be aware it is a jigsaw to apply and took me close to 3 hours to apply. Cheers, Duade
really informative! Thanks for adding the feedback issue as a disadvantage to electronic mode. I always end up with way too many pictures in electronic mode, so almost never use it on my R5. Just when talking pictures in concerts. Then I set the camera to single picture mode :-)
thanks so much Duade, very helpful video indeed. for the past year i use electronic shutter, did not notice any rolling shutter or anything weird in my shots. maybe because of the little sensor of the m4/3. thanks again, enjoyed the video so much.
Great video..... Extremely well-explained. The more I watch you (and others) talking about "issues to be aware of" when using mirrorless cameras, the more I am convinced that sticking to my "old" Nikon D500 with the Nikkor 200-500 for my wildlife photography is not a bad idea (at least for the moment being).
Excellent presentation. With my R5 I tend to default to EFS since I have had problems with rolling shutter with small birds in flight and ES. However, I will move to ES often with larger, somewhat slower moving birds where rolling shutter is not noticeable. It is ironic that the primary situation where I need the high FPS available with ES, small, quick birds in flight, is also the most susceptible to rolling shutter, which is a bit irritating. For me, EFS offers the best compromise, though I go back and forth a lot. But then I see C shaped wing. Ha!
I tend to think of ES as something to be reserved for very skittish birds and animals, where silence is the most important thing. Though more is always better, of course, 15 fps is still blazing fast for the vast majority of action. Of course I can remember when we thought a "power winder" cranking out 5 fps was lightning quick!
this is a very good video, explaining rolling shutter and the effects of slow readout electronic shutters. Here is some more information on Stacked Sensors. In a regular sensor the image is recorded and then transferred off the sensor to the co-processor. In a stacked sensor starting in 2017 with the A9, there are three layers to the sensor. The top layer works just like the regular sensor, the second layer is just a layer of ram, it just temporarily holds the image, the third layer is where image manipulation begins (This is important because the main sensor is by far the fastest chip on the camera). The design of the stacked sensor is 10-20 times the speed of a traditional sensor. The fantastic speed also allows for several other advantages. 1. the incredible speed allows cameras with Stacked sensors to have much faster shutter speeds most have 1/32,000 which is 4x a regular top speed of 1/8000. 2. the much faster readout allow your AF system to function much faster than the 10-20 times a second that most cameras calculate AF, the Sony A9, Sony A9II and Canon R3 all have the ability to adjust AF and AE at 60 times a second. The Sony A1 doubles that to an amazing 120 times a second. 3. the Stacked sensor cameras have a true blackout free view in the viewfinder. 4. Most stacked sensor camera have a higher frame rate available for the electronic viewfinder which also leads to better and sharper images in the viewfinder. I have had a stacked sensor camera since 2017 and even though I currently own three full frame cameras with traditional BSI sensors, if I want to shoot anything moving fast I take my A1, it is just so far above all the regular sensor cameras (and even far above the other Stacked sensor cameras available today). Here is a video from Sony that shows how it works. This the original A9 from the fall of 2017. ruclips.net/video/6Q-nzcf8Pkw/видео.html
Thanks for the explanation Roger, very helpful, this helps to explain why the AF on the R7 feels so different to the R5/R3, the sensor is just a little slow to handle all the AF data. I do look forward to getting a stacked sensor one day. Thanks again, Cheers, Duade
That's possibly the best breakdown of the advantages and disadvantages of shutter modes I've seen. As always provided by you a great video - many thanks matey
Thanks Kevin, Cheers, Duade
Absolutely brilliant I have to say
wow! First time I really understood shutters
Can’t agree more 😊
Agreed. Great video
You are without any doubt, the nicest birdwatcher I have seen. Almost every other birdwatcher I see doesn’t seem to reveal they make mistakes too and have lots of bad shots. You make us seem like any camera is welcome in terms of taking good bird photos. Hats off to you!
Thanks, you are too kind, we are all human and make mistakes all the time. It is trying to enjoy the process and accept the mistakes as part of the journey. Have fun, Cheers, Duade 👍
To me you're the definition of the word "Teacher". Whenever I need to refresh my memory or learn new things, your channel is the first place to visit.
Thank you for doing these videos.
Wow, thank you!
When I saw the title, I thought the video might just be a rant (which would be out of character). Instead, that was a balanced and really informative discussion of the shutter modes. Thanks and well done.
Thanks Andy, I must admit thumbnails and titles are the hardest part of RUclips, it really is an artform to itself on what people click on and what they don't. Cheers, Duade
"I'm not an expert"...after he documents and analyzes every combination and known issues with EVERYTHING. Ya, new sub here, and maybe a member soon. Thank you Duade.
Much appreciated!
That shot above the little puddle with the different wing positions is so incredibly cool.
Thanks , yes it is very unusual. Cheers, Duade 👍
My word, you've nailed it in this video. A briefing sections for someone who don't understand the concept yet, to the full explanation in one single video.
Well done 👏👏👏
Edit: 7:29 is so bizarre yet a perfect example for rolling shutter in a still shoot.
and out of focus as well!
This video is, without a doubt, the most comprehensive and enjoyable tutorial on the subject I've seen to date. And actually, I don't believe there is anyone out there who will challenge making a better one. Yours is one of my favorite channels. Anyhow, as a sport photographer, I still find it gratifying to aim that long lens at an athlete, press the shutter release, and hear that loud machine gun sound. The Nikon camera I use makes no sound except for synthesized sound, if the user chooses. With that turned off, one would have no audible feedback so the company has implemented a thin red line on the boarder of the EVF to indicate you are shooting. Thanks again Duade , Ted in Sebastian, Fl.
Extremely well explained and thoughtfully laid out for R7 noobs like myself. Thank you.
Wow! You put a LOT into this presentation!! Thanks for everything you do for the benefit of others!!! The chart was most informative across the board for everyone watching and your condensed yet thorough explanation of the different aspects related to shutter operations is a must see for every photographer!! (I know...the exclamation marks are getting redundant, but you really knocked this one out-of-the-park!) Thanks, Duade!!!
Thanks Chris, you are too kind, I am happy to hear it was helpful and will be to others going forward, I learnt a lot too which is great. Cheers, Duade
Fantastically well researched and presented video Duade, I can absolutely see it becoming a resource for the wildlife photographer community long into the future whenever someone has questions about this topic. Cheers!
Thanks Will, glad to hear it is helpful, Cheers, Duade
@Photogopinion Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated, Cheers, Duade
Thank you Duade!
This is by far the best breakdown video of various shutter modes. And also love the way you include us subscribers as well.
Looking forward to more videos!
Thanks Aadithyan, it is my pleasure, Cheers, Duade
Hi Duade! You have an excellent channel and did a great overview of the R7 rolling shutter issue. I have an R7 and use the100-500RF. However I don't find the rolling shutter as much of a problem and even prefer to shoot on ES with slower flying birds like ducks, herons, cormorants, pelicans, gulls, skimmers, even some shorebirds, turn off the IS on the lens (is not needed at shutter speeds of 3200 or more anyway, IBIS distortion gone) and shoot in H+ mode for 30fps just shoot until the buffer is full. More photos = more keepers. I use a fast kensington SDXC UHS-II card so the buffer is cleared fast. With hummingbirds that's another story, horrible rolling shutter with the r7, EFCS there is needed absolutely, in that mode H+ gets 15fps and that is fast too anyway. So I have Custom mode 1 with ES for slow birds and Custom mode 2 with EFCS for hummingbirds. My two cents!! Keep the good work!!! - Greetings from Panama!!!
Thanks for the feedback Osvaldo, that is good to know it is working well for you, having the custom functions is a good idea. Cheers, Duade
The R7 in Electronic makes for some hilarious hummingbird photos.
Great explanation. I had all the problems you described and decided on electronic first curtain without knowing why. Now I have a reason. I got drastic and interesting rolling shutter photographing a hummingbird with full electronic and this caused me to see if I could capture the action with less problem. With a cooperative hummingbird I was able to experiment and found the same results you described. Now I know what to do, when, and why and use the rolling shutter for its artistic effects when I want to.
Thanks again😊
Thanks for the feedback Rick, good to know, Cheers, Duade
I loved seeing a 40D.
That's still my daily driver.
Currently torn between upgrading to a 90D or an R7. Your videos have been very helpful and informative
R7
R7. Are you kidding me? Once you test drive all the features of mirrorless you will never go back.
I was going to upgrade from my 7d mk2 for a R7 but I think I will wait until these mirror less cameras come up to speed and sort out these issues, there a bit like electric cars they are new kids on the block and need time to sort out . Very good video well explained.
Exactly my thoughts 😊
I was also about to upgrade to the R7 but think I will upgrade to the Canon 90D first. I already have the 70D.
@@lynetterudmanthe 90d sucks compared to the r7. Owned both.
@@lynetterudman90d is a great camera
I bought the R7 + RF 100-500 six months ago as my first serious wildlife photography camera. As a beginner, it has been an amazing combo. However, as I have learned more and improved my skills, I have become frustrated with the low-light performance, shutter shock, and rolling shutter.
I've decided to buy a R5, but wanted to go back and look at R7 reviews as well to confirm that I was making the right choice. This video definitely helped me confirm my decision, yet I cannot stress enough that the R7 is amazing for the price.
Fun Fact: I just noticed that I'm using the same lens skin on the 100-500! 😆
Thanks for the feedback and great to hear you are enjoying the videos. The R5 is a wonderful camera and a nice upgrade from the R7. Have fun with it, yes the camo is great. Cheers, Duade
Nice video. I had discussed this subject I a few videos about how the sensor readout speed on many cameras is the root of the rolling shutter issue. And you drove that point home in a video of its own. Glad you made this video.
Personal shake and the IBIS are very important to remember as you stated. My non RS keeper is closer to 70% vs your 40+% and you described that well by being shakier with the long lenses plus using the EF 500 for less IS wobble.
Thanks again for a detailed video.
My pleasure mate, yep, I suspect the slow readout impacts the AF of the R7 also. Yeah, I shake a lot which does impact shots, my keeper rate on the R5 is much higher which is interesting. Cheers, Duade
R7 here from Austria. The shutter broke after 1 Month of mechanical usage, was repaired on warranty. So now I'm shooting electronically :-) . Works great for me. Great video Duade!
Thanks for sharing, sorry to hear about the shutter, Cheers, Duade
Excellent Duade! Lots of information and zero rambling, I'm amazed at the speed you could deliver all this stuff 👍👍
Thanks Federico, it was a lot and can be difficult to follow at times but I'm glad it was helpful. Cheers, Duade 👍
Awesome presentation Duade. You have obviously put a great deal of work into this. Your research and presentation are very impressive. I actually understood what you were talking about and for an old dinosaur (me) I learnt a lot. Thank you.
Thanks for the feedback Zsolt, it was a fun video to do and I learnt plenty. Cheers, Duade
Excellent education on rolling shutter. I’m well aware of it but to have it explained so clearly really helps to understand how best to minimise it.
Thanks Phil, glad it was helpful, Cheers, Duade
Extremely useful video for all mirrorless users. No words to thank you.
Great Job Duade. Your videos have so much educational value. Topics are well explained, wonderfully illustrated. Always a joy to look at, each time I learn something. Thank you 😀
Thanks Jean-Michel, you are too kind, Cheers, Duade
I just wanted to echo others in saying thanks for efforts and time you go to to illustrate the many variables associated with wildlife photography. You are out there on your own with the quality and depth you present to help us with out techniques and decision making. Thank you.
Thanks for the feedback Craig, I appreciate it, I just enjoy sharing and helping others as we all have something to learn, including me. Cheers, Duade
@@Duade well deserved feedback Duade. My concerns about the r7 at release made me jump to the xh2s and adapted sigma 150-600mm. I havnt seen any noticeable warping yet thanks to the stacked sensor. V sharp too as no AA filter unlike the R7. Thanks again for your help in deciding.
Yes even the scanner footage was shot and not sourced from stock I guess. Which is insane really :D coherent to the last detail
Thanks a lot for all these informations. I just received my R7 and your video will help me a lot ! Thank you so much ! Take care.
Congrats on the R7 Joel, have fun ,Cheers, Duade
Wow Duade! Superb presentation! Perhaps the best one on the advantages and disadvantages of using different modes of shutter. ❤️👌👍👏👏👏
Fascinating. Issues I wouldn’t normally be aware of if it wasn’t for your videos
Thanks Stephen, it is my pleasure, Cheers, Duade
I only have one word for this video... "FANTASTIC!!!!" Very nicely done and extremely informative. I take a lot of photos of race cars (while racing) and propeller planes (in flight)... So glad I watched this video before making a final decision on my next body acquisition... Thank you!
it is my pleasure, Cheers, Duade
thanks Duade, i now know all about rolling shutter. what a mine of useful info, your videos are very watchable, i know all sorts of useful stuff, mainly from watching your channel, one of the best photo channels on the tube.. thanks again 😎
Thanks, you are too kind, Cheers, Duade
I really enjoyed this video. The breakdown between explanation, examples and comparisons between multiple cameras and their samples really helped explain this complicated issue.
Thanks Salman, great to hear it was helpful, Cheers, Duade
This is probably one of the best clips about photography gear and features I ever seen. Well done Duade!
Wow, thanks!
You can have audible feedback for electronic shooting on the R7! I really did not like the complete silence when shooting but I came across another RUclipsr (Wild Alaska) who mentioned that changing the "silent shooting off" and changing the volume of the sound does apply to electronic. I set the volume to 1 so it was still low enough to hopefully not disturb wildlife yet I could hear it when the camera was at my face. I was so much more comfortable with electronic after that!
This is very useful, even for us non-bird photographers. Thank you for doing such an in-depth job!
Thanks Creighton, it is my pleasure, Cheers, Duade 👍
This was really helpful, I knew not to use my electronic shutter on my R10, but I didn’t know why. This explains it really well and I fully understand it now
Thanks for all the great videos. New to shooting and recently got an R7. You're videos have taught me a lot, from gear and software reviews to the technical and mechanical side of photography. Thanks 👍
I am thinking of going Canon mirrorless and this is the first video I have found which clearly explains the different shutter modes, the differences between them and the advantages and disadvantages of each. Thank you very much.
Thanks tristanba, it is my pleasure ,Cheers, Duade
Geez..Thanks so much Duade.. You made a great argument for sticking with my DSLR for birds and action! Thanks for the incredible work and detail you put into these videos!
Just found this video....a bit late. Thanks so much for these comparisons. Really helps me with some issues I'm having with the R7.
Hi Duade! Excellent clarifying video! Fuji has 2, and you can choose them both or one at a time :) Hugs!
Thanks Daniela, I think they have the best system of all, that it starts in EFCS and switches to mechanical at high SS. They should all have that option. Cheers, Duade
Excellent, excellent, excellent! This was your most substantive technology review yet that I have seen and answered many questions for me that I have had for a long time. Thanks for your time and effort!
Thanks Brent, you are too kind, Cheers, Duade 👍
Good job! I've always used electronic first curtain. I don't know why, but I'm going to keep doing that mostly
Wonderfully well presented Duade! In an earlier lifetime I was a trainer and I'm jealous that you turned a potentially dull and complex subject into one that I was happy to spend time on. Not only that, but I came away with comprehensive and usable knowledge. Great examples and well researched! It's obvious from the comments that you've helped lots of photographers with a topic that was needing just this sort of explanation! Thank you!
Thanks for the feedback Thomas, I currently work as a facilitator in my day job so it helps for sure. Glad you learnt a few things, Cheers, Duade 👍
Thanks for this excellent discussion of the shutter modes. I wish I knew these differences and their effects much sooner, it explains many of the issues I’ve experienced with my R5. The chart you made is most helpful in understanding the differences in the various camera models and their sensor technology. I wish this was more readily available. Great job Duade!
It is my pleasure, I am happy to hear it was helpful, Cheers, Duade
I fist met you on your video about you and are similar to you in that in 2001 I too ended up with a pacemaker and thought my life is over but when seeing your storie you are so inspiring and I'm ready too take on this birding thing
Thanks, sorry to hear about your heart, if you are in Australia we are lucky to have the birds we have. Cheers, Duade
@@Duade yes I'm in aus qld
Clearly you have a gift for teaching. Brilliant content. I actually understand these concepts now.
Very good video Duade! One thing to keep in mind about the 14bits advantage of MS, is that this benefit only applies to picture taken under ISO800, because 14bits DR is only achievable at base ISO. By the time you cross ISO800 you will get about 12bits of DR, at ISO3200 around 10bits and at 6400 around 9bits.. Important point since most wildlife pictures are usually shot at over ISO800. (Look the dynamic range chart of the R5 for example)
Even more reason to start with the maximum bit depth!
At over iso 1600 I don’t there’s a measurable difference at all
This covers a tricky subject in the best way I have seen. Nice one!
This was an excellent overview on the shutter modes! Thanks for posting.
My pleasure Arvindh, Cheers, Duade 👍
Beware lest your finger slips on the old “shutton butter” 😂 (1:59). Great video, thx! 😀
Lol, I was wondering if anyone would notice my little jump when I first hit it. Cheers, Duade
Fantastic video Duade, it answered a few nagging questions I had and provided me with a lot of helpful information. I have an R5 with RF lens, and I shoot mainly birds. I stopped using electronic shutter, and only shoot mechanical now, as I took one shot of an Osprey that had a teensy bit of rolling shutter on its wing tips, and I was worried if I get an absolute cracking shot that it may be ruined by the rolling effect. One thing I wanted to mention is; for me, the noise of the mechanical shutter is a bonus. I find the birds I shoot seem curious about the noise and they give me some unusual poses as they turn their heads on their side, almost as of they are saying "whats that noise?". I couldn't say the noise of the shutter has ever scared birds I am photographing, the noise from the photographer is another thing entirely. 😁 I appreciate your work doing these videos and helping us all out.
Thanks Craig and great point re the eye contact and pose from the noise. I have the same experience, only a few get scared by the shutter. Cheers, Duade 👍
This was a terrific breakdown of rolling shutter and the three shutter modes in most modern cameras. Bravo!
Outstanding analysis, thank you for sharing Duade! I'm a Sony A9 owner so rolling shutter is only rarely an issue with the electronic shutter.
Another useful video! On the introductory preface of yr video - how do one shoot a dragonfly-in-flight!? Wow!
Hi Chan, it was shot with the eye tracking of the R5 which is very impressive, I did you manual focus first to get it in the right plane and the dragonfly was hovering in the same spot which made it easier. Cheers, Duade
@@Duade thanks Duade, that was helpful!
Great video , I will be using my R7 in first curtain , I am going on a safary soon and I move from a 90d to the R7 ( 90d will be my back up) using a Tamron 100-400
Nice video Duane and very educational. Nikon Z9 has 3.7 millisecond which is mean 1/270 second.
Thanks for your great video. You have always something useful info. I am an owner of R6. I can see many times rolling shutter issues with moving subjects. Thanks again for your helpful content.🙏
Thanks for the comment, glad it was helpful, Cheers, Duade
Great video!
This is one of the reasons the R7 missed the mark for me - the worse ergonomics and lacking a third exposure dial, not as many customisable buttons (a problem I had with the original R), and severe rolling shutter in electronic shutter mode.
I still have a glimmer of hope that Canon have something higher end up their sleeve - with the control layout of the R5 or R6 and a backside illuminated APSC sensor with very fast readout speeds. I just don’t know why they didn’t call this an R70, to leave room for a ‘true’ R7.
Thanks William, totally agree, if they had named it the R70 we would likely have been less harsh and left space for a true 7D replacement. Cheers, Duade
Completely agree. I was so looking forward to this and so disappointed in the R7. I passed on this one.
Always interested in your comments about the R7 as I have one, and reassured by your balanced presentation on other camera performance. I realized the specs on the R7 would be less than the significantly more expensive R5 or R3, so accept that the performance would be lower in comparison. But also feel better knowing that all mirrorless cameras currently suffer some issues. Looking forward to your thoughts about optimizing the R7 within its limitations. Your videos are really helpful.
Thanks Ted, for its price it offers excellent value. I'm working on the review now. Cheers, Duade 👍
maybe the best technical video ever!!!!
Thanks Scott, you are too kind, Cheers, Duade
Great video! You do a great job of explaining the different shutter modes and pros & cons of each. I particularly liked the chart comparing different camera readout speeds. Very helpful as I shop for a new body. Thank you for the great content!
You did a great job, thank you very much. I use a z9 so always in electronic, and for what I photo (wildlife) I have not noticed any rolling shutter - but I have not tried to photo things like a plane or drone blade in motion. I think for anyone having any of the newer models from any of the manufactures there has never been a better time to be someone who enjoys wildlife photography.
So at last I am understanding the differences ! Thanks a ton
Great video Duade, thank you 👍🏻 like you, I almost exclusively use electronic shutter with my R5 and RF1-5. The only issue I have really noticed is the occasional first frame in a sequence being slightly warped which you have explained perfectly. Appreciate you doing all the research for everyone 🙏 all the best Doug
Thanks Doug, it is my pleasure, Cheers, Duade 👍
Great content Duade, and invaluable for someone looking into either a first system, an upgrade or perhaps considering jumping brands.
Very informative video. Thanks for doing it. I've seen very few issues with rolling shutter on my Olympus EM-1 Mark III. With a very few exceptions, including my photo that you used in the video, the rolling shutter issues haven't caused any really strange abstracts. From what I understand, the new OM1 with its stacked sensor is even better. I'd guess within a few years rolling shutter will be a thing of the past in new mirrorless cameras. I love the ability to shoot silently.
Super helpful as usual. Really want this camera for the bird tracking and weight but had concerns about the rolling shutter.
Thanks Marisa, it is fine in EFCS or mechanical, but the shutter is very loud. Cheers, Duade
Nice summary, thanks... I use EFSC on the R5
Thanks for sharing, it does work well, Cheers, Duade
Really good video Duade. Thanks for doing the research and giving such good examples. I shoot with a Z9 and a Z6. The difference is more noticeable during whip panning. I can confirm that the Z9 has no perceptible rolling shutter in every situation I have shot.
Keep up the great work. 👍🏻
Thanks Joseph, great to hear, the Z9 has been an incredible hit for Nikon, I can only hope the R1 is as good. Cheers, Duade
@@Duade cheers. I hope the R1 is a great camera too. In the past Canon have been great innovators. It would be good to see them at the very pointy end again. All the best.
Thanks so much for this amazing demonstration and explanation of rolling shutter this is by far and away the best I have seen. The practical explanation and the video footage was great! Cheers
It is my pleasure, I learnt a lot also which was fun, Cheers, Duade
Fantastic explanations.
Clear, precise and understandable.
This will help a lot of people starting photography.
Thank you for all your efforts in putting this together.
That first example looked really cool!
That was very informative and I’m going to have to watch again because there’s so much information to take in. It goes along way to explain why only yesterday I was photographing Grebes and the blue square was on the eye but the image was slightly soft due to pointing down to a dark water and the shutter speed crashed. Mick .G uk.
Hi Duade, I love the work that you are doing. There was an incident in San Francisco, where a photographer while working on a wedding was beaten by two-armed gunmen and pistol-whipped. This photographer never let go of his camera gear and unfortunately, he took a beating. Two photography channels offered up a challenge for the Community with Channels to speak up on the safety and awareness of photographers and videographers alike.
You are such a Photographer. The two channels that are talking about this and offering this challenge are Vahagraphy and 247 Media Group. If you get time out of your busy schedule, check this out starting with Vahagraphy, who brought this out to the community on his channel and please make some noise about this on your channel as well as it threatens our art and it is often forgotten!!!
Thanks sid, sorry to hear what happened, that is terrible, glad to hear those channels are raising awareness. Cheers, Duade
Thanks so much Duade. I learned a lot too. You made this easy to understand. A must watch video for anyone shooting mirrorless without a BSI Stacked sensor.
thanks for explaining this for us! very helpfull in depth info ! many thanks.
It is my pleasure, Cheers, Duade
Thanks for these examples. The explanation animation was excellent for me to see how it works.
Hi Daude, this video deserves 10 thumbs up. Great info!
Thanks Pieter, you are too kind, Cheers, Duade
Great video duade! I am 12, and you have helped me learn so much!
That is fantastic Clayton, have fun with your photography. Cheers, Duade
Excellent video Duade, very educational! I feel well prepared for when I upgrade from the 90D to the R7 next year.
@@doghouseriley4732 No camera is perfect. I have researched the R7 thoroughly since its announcement and believe the pros outweigh the cons for what I want to use it for. It will be far from a waste of money for me and I'm looking forward to getting my hands on one.
Thanks James, I am doing my full review now which will hopefully be helpful, Cheers, Duade
Nice video, Looking forward how well the R6II electronic shutter will perform.
Thanks Panop, they are saying 40% faster than the R6 so in theory it must be around 12.4ms or 1/80 which seems very fast for a FSI, I look forward to seeing what it actually is. Cheers, Duade
Very well done video! I find that I’m not using my R7 as much as I could be because of the rolling shutter. If the mechanical shutter was a bit quieter (like my R6) I would use it. But it’s not, so I won’t. I have mostly been using my OM-1 lately because of that. I haven’t decided if I’m going to keep the R7. It can produce amazing images for the price. Personally I would love for someone to come out with a “flagship” APS-C body for wildlife. I find myself needing the extra reach more than I need the ISO performance of full frame.
Thanks for sharing Rod, I guess the Fuji XH2S is the front runner at the moment or the OM1 in m4/3rds. I look forward to seeing what Nikon and Sony do in response to the R7. I do hope the D500 mirrorless is a beast. Cheers, Duade
Outstanding work here, Duade! This is the best rolling shutter breakdown video I've seen by far. I'm interested in the electronic shutter speed on the new R6 mark ii sensor. I have the occasional jello wobble shot with electronic on both my R7 and my R6 which I just sold and ordered an R6ii. I think it's supposed to be faster but obviously not as fast as a stacked sensor. Thanks for this great video!
Thanks Phil, my pleasure, I have my fingers crossed for 12.8ms 1/80 which will be faster than the R5 and very close to stacked sensor speeds which is impressive. Have fun with it when it arrives. Cheers, Duade
Phil, I look forward to your R6 II experiences. I'm also interested in how good this R6 II might be, but probably will wait for a Sony A7V and switch.
ahhh you learned alot as you say... well you also thaught a lot... so that made me learn a lot... more detailed than I knew... well than I thought I knew! Thank you for this great work from the Netherlands! Cheerio!
Thanks Max, yes, it was fun all around, Cheers, Duade
Wow. That was the breakdown and explination I was looking for. I've recently purchased an R7 and have been using MS but will be switching to EFCS.
Thanks Larry, I believe EFCS is better due to the reduced shutter shock, if you are using a lens with an aperture greater than f4 we really should not encounter those background issues. Cheers, Duade
Thank you for this video ! I didn't know about the readout speeds values. There are still some questions in my mind, but I'll go research further on the geeky technical bits.
Have fun, it is a bit above my head but there does appear to be a direct correlation between readout and rolling shutter, Cheers, Duade
@@Duade It definitely is ! Now I'd like to know what is the reason why the mechanical shutter does have a faster readout speed than the electronic, considering that it is the same sensor behind that.
I'm clearly missing something and that tickles my brain haha!
@@bricoschmoo1897 My understanding is the readout speed of the sensor is the same either in mechanical or electronic which is confusing.
The speed of the mechanical shutter is how quickly the shutter moves across the sensor exposing the light to the sensor not how fast the sensor reads that light.
So in ES the shutter is exposed to light constantly and turns off and then on each line of the sensor sequentially and reads it.
With MS the sensor actually starts with no light at all (the shutter curtain is blocking the light) so all of the pixels are reset at once. They then all turn on as you take the photo and the mechanical shutters work letting a certain amount of light to hit the sensor. The pixels then wait to be read (no light is hitting the sensor as the curtain is blocking the light) in a rolling fashion but the data captured was faster than the read out if that makes sense.
I am not 100% on that but I believe that is roughly how it works. Cheers, Duade
@@Duade Thank you so much for this explanation! That's what I read elswere also, and it's very logical.
For the electronic shutter, as there is a need to reset each line before its values are stored in memory, the exposure of the last line is read "much" later than the first line.
@@bricoschmoo1897 Yes, this is my understanding also. Cheers, DUade
As usual, so clear & precise, well done & thankyou Duade.
Thanks George, my pleasure ,Cheers, Duade
Really fantastic explanation about rolling shutter.. 👏👏
Very informative, finally a video that I can understand, thank you Duade, brilliant!!
My pleasure Ian, glad to hear it was informative, Cheers, Duade
That R10 shot of the drone blades actually looks really cool! Sure, more moden art than photography, but still cool
Thanks, yes it does create some interesting shapes. Cheers, Duade 👍
Duane, thank you thank you thank you for this explanation of rolling shutter. As others have said yours is among the best explanations! I shoot Sony cameras, and my first experience with rolling shutter was an s-shaped hummingbird wing, then the leaning vertical trees and fences. Most of my mirrorless experience is with the sony a7r and a7 series, also the crop sensor cameras - all of which have pretty bad rolling shutter. I shoot electronic shutter most of the time because it is quiet and there is obviously no wear and tear on the shutter. I spend a lot of time shooting large soaring or “slow wing speed” birds, herons, cranes and raptors, also perched birds, so it’s not always an issue. I have a newer A7riv, which has terrible rolling shutter, about as bad as a cropped sensor camera I used to own, the a6500. I also have an A9 and pick that up almost exclusively when shooting BIF. I’m using the mechanical shutter more with the a7riv. I still have my old a7riii as a backup - I’ll have to compare the two a7r cameras. I suspect the riv is worse - but not sure now. I have a question for you: I really like that thin cover on your lens - what is it? Do you have an affiliate link to it? Thank you again, keep up the great work!
Thanks for the input Karn, always good to hear from Sony users, yes I have heard those cameras have slow read out also. If you google 3M Lens Cover and your lens you should get a few options. Just be aware it is a jigsaw to apply and took me close to 3 hours to apply. Cheers, Duade
Great video, Duade - very interesting…. I will definitely set a custom function to utilise electronic first curtain 😊
Thanks Steve, good luck, Cheers, Duade
Thanks you. Finally I undestand the problem .
It is my pleasure Alberto, Cheers, Duade
really informative! Thanks for adding the feedback issue as a disadvantage to electronic mode. I always end up with way too many pictures in electronic mode, so almost never use it on my R5. Just when talking pictures in concerts. Then I set the camera to single picture mode :-)
Thanks Andreas, yes, I too end up with a lot of photos, Cheers, Duade
thanks so much Duade, very helpful video indeed.
for the past year i use electronic shutter, did not notice any rolling shutter or anything weird in my shots. maybe because of the little sensor of the m4/3.
thanks again, enjoyed the video so much.
Great to hear you are not having any issues which is great. Cheers, Duade
Hey Duade i love my R7 ,the focus on mine works great on my sigma 150 x 600 ..........
Great to hear skip, Cheers, Duade
Great video..... Extremely well-explained. The more I watch you (and others) talking about "issues to be aware of" when using mirrorless cameras, the more I am convinced that sticking to my "old" Nikon D500 with the Nikkor 200-500 for my wildlife photography is not a bad idea (at least for the moment being).
Excellent presentation. With my R5 I tend to default to EFS since I have had problems with rolling shutter with small birds in flight and ES. However, I will move to ES often with larger, somewhat slower moving birds where rolling shutter is not noticeable. It is ironic that the primary situation where I need the high FPS available with ES, small, quick birds in flight, is also the most susceptible to rolling shutter, which is a bit irritating. For me, EFS offers the best compromise, though I go back and forth a lot. But then I see C shaped wing. Ha!
Thanks Ben I am similar, ES the majority of the time but EFCS if I want to avoid RS. Cheers, Duade 👍
I tend to think of ES as something to be reserved for very skittish birds and animals, where silence is the most important thing. Though more is always better, of course, 15 fps is still blazing fast for the vast majority of action. Of course I can remember when we thought a "power winder" cranking out 5 fps was lightning quick!
this is a very good video, explaining rolling shutter and the effects of slow readout electronic shutters. Here is some more information on Stacked Sensors. In a regular sensor the image is recorded and then transferred off the sensor to the co-processor. In a stacked sensor starting in 2017 with the A9, there are three layers to the sensor. The top layer works just like the regular sensor, the second layer is just a layer of ram, it just temporarily holds the image, the third layer is where image manipulation begins (This is important because the main sensor is by far the fastest chip on the camera). The design of the stacked sensor is 10-20 times the speed of a traditional sensor. The fantastic speed also allows for several other advantages. 1. the incredible speed allows cameras with Stacked sensors to have much faster shutter speeds most have 1/32,000 which is 4x a regular top speed of 1/8000. 2. the much faster readout allow your AF system to function much faster than the 10-20 times a second that most cameras calculate AF, the Sony A9, Sony A9II and Canon R3 all have the ability to adjust AF and AE at 60 times a second. The Sony A1 doubles that to an amazing 120 times a second. 3. the Stacked sensor cameras have a true blackout free view in the viewfinder. 4. Most stacked sensor camera have a higher frame rate available for the electronic viewfinder which also leads to better and sharper images in the viewfinder. I have had a stacked sensor camera since 2017 and even though I currently own three full frame cameras with traditional BSI sensors, if I want to shoot anything moving fast I take my A1, it is just so far above all the regular sensor cameras (and even far above the other Stacked sensor cameras available today). Here is a video from Sony that shows how it works. This the original A9 from the fall of 2017. ruclips.net/video/6Q-nzcf8Pkw/видео.html
Thanks for the explanation Roger, very helpful, this helps to explain why the AF on the R7 feels so different to the R5/R3, the sensor is just a little slow to handle all the AF data. I do look forward to getting a stacked sensor one day. Thanks again, Cheers, Duade
Great explanation Duade, thanks for all of your research.🇨🇦
My pleasure Larry, Cheers, Duade 👍