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R5c...oversampled 4K/60p? Nikon Z8/Z9...oversampled 4K/60p?? I think those earlier High Rez sensor releases all record oversampled 4k/60p
Nice video thanks. I wanted to mention i doubt very seriously that those vents help blocked or unblocked, so the bracket you use want matter. There is no fan! Those vents will most likely only matter much when you use the grip with a fan. Then your bracket is on the bottom of that grip and the fan is working with those vents. 😊
thank you Dan !
.I hope canon will figure out a way to make the camera more efficient ( overheating) and make 4k 60 oversampled available.
and some upgrades in crop mode like higher fps....would also come handy
how is the banding in ES mode ?
Hey Dan, I think you made a little bit of a mistake there the original R5 does have the high overheating settings. I’ve got it on mines and it’s practically made the R5 not overheat anymore.
I have had my R5II since Friday. I can confirm the Peak Design plate does not block the bottom vent.
@@Zodacknight yeah but most videographers will be using larger tripod plates. I do for interviews, weddings, and pretty much everything I shoot that demands long record times
@@learningcameras I'm a videographer and I use a quick release plate to switch between tripods/gimbals quickly. I leave the receiver on the tripod plate attached to the tripod and on the gimbal plate. Makes a much smaller footprint . I highly recommend it.
how do you find the dynamic range? seems to be the biggest hot topic right now as it seems to be slightly worse than r5 mk i😢
@@TheBrancos I have not noticed any noticeable difference in dynamic range, but I am not qualified to really give a professional opinion. I would imagine actual tests will be up soon enough.
@@TheBrancos 2 ways. There are test chart ways and there are real life ways. I prefer the real life ways where we shoot both cameras side by side and see if we can notice a difference (which I will be doing), but there are test chart ways that I'm sure will be tested over the next week. Typically stacked cmos sensors don't help dynamic range so I wouldn't be surprised if the extra speed comes with a DR cost
DYNAMIC RANGE is the most important thing i need to know about the R5ii? Compared to Sony A7siii and R5c.
@@presise I saw tests against the R5C and the R5ii is not as good. 🤔 no clog2 on the R5C?
@@heynow2880 where did you see that test?
@@heynow2880also saw it.. was hoping it was due to preproduction unit
@@heynow2880 wtf
@@heynow2880 There is a review from a cinematographer who says he thinks the r5ii beats the c70 and c500 mark ii in dynamic range.
I am still waiting on your thoughts about the z8. Would love to see a video on you and your experience throughout the year.
Had the Z8 for a year and see nothing here more exciting.
@@bidconapa me either, maybe the z6iii is what I really wanted. I would love to see what his feelings were with the z8.
Many thanks Dan, really informative and useful. And thanks for answering my question regarding the oversampling at 4K. Greetings from Wales.
@@EmyrEvans1 Thanks so much! Appreciate you hanging out for it
hey Dan ...
one more question....
I own a r6 mkii ...how good/bad is the r5 mkii 4k 60 oversampled in crop mode compared to the 4k 60 oversampled from the r6 mk ii ?
i was looking forward to using all the new AI autofocus features while filming...I hope the r5 4k holds up....
Main thing I want to know is Dynamic range difference with SRAW VS RAW
😮 think SRAW is lineSkipped.
me and you have been hunting for info on this haha in all the different videos we can see of r5 mk ii
And sharpness compared to mp4 fine vs SRAW
Don't you think the vents might be more to facilitate the cooling grip, rather than to vent unaided? It would be a little tricky for the grip to cool the internals, without any access for air.
Thank you for showing this off!
Guess I’m keeping my r3.. the oversampled 4k60 is a must have for me.
Does the New battery for the R5 Mii. Unlock the higher video modes in the R5C when using battery only mode?
Probably not, I think one of the preview reviews said the new battery was not backwards comparable
Nah.. r5c needs more power.
😊Hi, why can't it do 4k oversampled but can do FHD oversampled? Is the FHD oversampling from the 4k line skipped readout rather than the 8K. Seems a drawback not having oversampled 4k60 as iy complicates the workflow.
Thanks
I believe you have not installed the latest firmware in your original Canon R5 cause if you did, you should be able to set the Temp to high in R5 after the firmware 1.6 that allows R5 to record hours of 8K in non-raw format and 4K fine basically unlimited. Of course except the 30 minutes recording time limit.
Depends on your room temp. Mine was updated to 1.8 before I sold it because of that reason, it would still overheat outdoors
@@tonygerassi1502I used a whole variety of resolutions and frame rates including 4K120, 8K, 4K fine in South Africa for two weeks in 42C heat for extensive periods and literally only had one overheat warning when using 4K120 (I was recording for 8 minutes straight waiting for the moment a bird was going to land back on a perch that it kept returning to)
Amazing how most of these comments are with regard to video… A lot expressing discontent with the video features… yet this is a STILLS FIRST camera… Why are you guys not looking towards a dedicated video camera instead of bashing a photo first camera for what it CAN’T do in video? 🙄 I preordered this for the photo capabilities and can’t WAIT to get mine in…
@@markdbey yeah, it's because most of the exiting features are on the video side as is most of the competition. Photo image quality has stagnated so it's really just extra speed and some AF improvements and most photographers would be fine with the capabilities of the original R5
@@learningcameras Agreed… I have the R5 but I’m looking forward to the new stacked sensor. Maybe its just me… and Maybe I won’t see a real difference in image quality until I get the GFX 100 II. 😎
Hello, sony says the same about temp high on there camera and yes it gets very hot to the touxh so same on canon da, and the vents are for the grip which put the air out from the vent under the camera to the vent on the ports side of the r5ii, normally the vent under serve nothing as if you understand heat it will go on top on everything so without the grip the hot air will go out by the vent which face the ports, don't seems the best but I will see on my TESTS
Also the fan grip has two batteries ports plus the ethernet port, but no vertical control, and the port just under the battery is for the grip only for this, but dummiy option exists and canon has one but a dummy to usb-c should do it anyway
Much appreciated for this QA session! Wondering if you could comment on the dynamic range , as there has been some preproduction comparison of R5 mk ii with R5C and the dynamic range seems to be much poorer on the R5 Mk ii .
Are the batteries in the cooling grip hot swappable?
What exactly does the option of recording video and taking photos at the same time look like?
Why can’t you shoot 24p and 4k 60p with the older battery? I thought the limitation is only 8k 60p? Even the original r5 could do it so why did they cripple the camera just so we buy those new batteries??
@@MrMolotov69 no clue why 24 was disabled but 60 makes sense because the camera needs to draw more power than the old battery can supply
The camera comes with the new battery. So you don’t have to buy one unless you want to have an extra pair.
@@Davitor1well technically if you’re using the camera for video, you need more than 1 battery cause after 40 min, you’ll have to wait to charge the battery lol
R5 II is powering an additional chip and more circuitry for the faster sensor so it's going to have a higher power draw doing the same thing as R5.
@@Davitor1 Nothing I shoot can be shot with 1 battery so 3 is my minimum. 2 are 100% needed and 1 as a backup in case 1 wasn't charged fully or you get a battery error. Tried to buy more and they don't come out for another couple of weeks so that sucks
If you are used to view 4k footage from a7IV. Then the 4k from fx3/a7sIII is like an upscaled 1080p compare to a7IV. The detail difference is quite huge.
So only for things like interviews or talking head. The thing with video is usually either the camera or subject is in motion so once you have motion blur, the difference between a full sensor readout (FX3) and oversampled (A7IV) is minimal. But I fully expect the FX4 to go slightly higher resolution for oversampling. But once you get to higher frame rates and low light, that's where the FX3 wins because that lower MP sensor that doesn't allow oversampling does allow for full sensor readouts at 4k60 and 4k120 which no other camera does
Still no in depth ibis tests from anyone, unbelievable
Dude...it's been a couple days since we got the camera lol...and what do you want to know from these ibis tests anyway?
@@learningcameras just wondering what types of improvements it has, is there wobble in the corners like the other canon mirrorless cameras, what about the wide angle wobbles? wondering if its at least as good as my Panasonic GH5, thanks
Hi Dan, thanks for this in-depth look at Canon’s new R5 mkii. As always, it is very helpful. My question is off the beaten path a bit, but on the R5C under “good” studio lighting, is the autofocus when shooting 4K60 fairly responsive or is it prohibitively sluggish and too much of a struggle for practical use? In other words, is the the R5C’s autofocus terrible compared to that of the eos R5 or R5 mkii? Thank you.
I found the R5C autofocus in the eos cinema OS to not be as good as the R5.
Good to know. Thanks Anthony. 😁👍
Thank you for sharing all this information. Can you explain the difference between 2k and 2k Fine, please and if crop mode and recording at 120 fps are available in both modes.
Fine mode is oversampled so the video quality in fine mode is significantly better although it could overheat the camera faster. Crop mode is NOT available with 120fps
question on the photography part. How is the Dynamic range from R5 to the R5ii is there much difference thanks
Does the new battery have enough power to power both linear focusing motors in the lenses that have them like the R1, R3, and 1Dx series cameras ? Thanks 😊
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R5c does 4k oversampled 60p.
@@csound55 yeah but technically it's not a photo centric camera so it's in the cinema space and not really a hybrid photo camera. My guess is it was an overheating decision which is why the R5c got it
What is the fastest write speed in both video and photos. Looking to figure out truly how fast of a card I need.
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This r5 2 has some new cripple hammers that the old one didnt have. Cant shoot 4k60 on an older battery? Wow
HDMI and lcd is possible without clean feed. Just have to change it in the menu.
I think what you noticed is that the menu doesn’t display on both the lcd and hdmi monitor at the same time but the image does.
Yep, that's what I said. But I typically like a monitor to not show a clean feed so I can use the secondary monitor to see my settings and what the autofocus system is locked on to so this is an issue because it disables the camera screen so you can't do touch autofocus or use the camera monitor at all. I only use the clean feed for a directors monitor or for external recording.
@@learningcameras so you can’t touch focus with an hdmi monitor connected? Even if you enable both devices displaying in the menu?
@@learningcameras I just looked back on the release promo “making a film with the R5 mk ii” by Sam Newton and at 1:50 you can clearly see the lcd with info and an hdmi monitor active so I’m really confused. The manual says “menu and playback are only displayed on hdmi device” but I interpreted that to mean when the menu was open, not the shooting information and touch to focus controls.
@@davidells8146 So I checked that out and in that scene the camera LCD is displaying the info but the monitor is a clean HDMI signal. That is correct... but you can't display your settings on the external monitor while also having your settings on the screen. So the monitor can't display your settings or autofocus tools.
In my case during this live I needed the external HDMI so show the settings/menu so that disabled the built in screen.
I thought the battery difference was common knowledge... Pretty much every video I watched about this camera touched on this and not to even try old batteries because the cripple hammer is strong with this one. At least as far as powering goes. Not hating at all, I love me some Dan Watson.
We had 1 day with the R5II and R1 at the press event so that was something I didn't get around to testing until now. Appreciate that haha
Does anyone know if the R5/r6ii cages will fit this new R5ii body? Its hard to find a cage that plays nice with the Mofage Poco PL to RF adaptor!
No they do not. I tried my R5 cage and it definitely doesn't fit. The bodies are different by a decent amount so I highly doubt any will work
@@learningcameras - that’s a shame!
Bro you not review nikon z6iii 🤔🤔🤔🤔
working on it
Pretty sure it goes down to 12 bit raw on any electronic shutter speed.
Doesn't seem like it. I'm testing now and file sizes and IQ seem to be the same for mechanical and ES at all speeds
14 bit in all shutter modes... early tests indicate noise does increase in electronic shutter.
@@ericmcleod7825 The noise increase is incredibly small. I highly doubt you would ever perceive that in any real way in a typical image
Welcome to the highly anticipated crippled r5m2 live show! Let's hail to our lord Canon, so that they will keep providing us crippled cameras! Also praise our lord Canon, thank Canon for not allowing us to have all those third-party lenses :D
comparing a cinema camera with a hybrid like r5ii...how stupid hahahaha
what?? What kind of imaginary world do you live in and what on earth are you talking about
Wow what a disappointment that you can do 4k 60 in fine. What is the point of even upgrading besides the Clog2? When the R5 came out they claimed 16 stops and they are claiming it on the R5II. If Gerald Undone does tests and it comes back with 12-13 stops I am done with Canon. They lie about there specs.
By your standard every single manufacturer lies about their specs. Manufacturers claims are not real tests, but theoretical limits under specific conditions, and measurements.
@@pgsanta the R5 got 11.5 stops with Gerald Undone. That is way under 16 stops
@@heynow2880 the original R5 has only like 10.8-11.4 stops of DR. So I hope they didn’t claim 16. lol. Potato Jet test shows the R5ii has similar stops of DR to the A7siii around 12.4
@@heynow2880 Woosh... the sound of the point going straight over your head. Now go look at what Gerald got with any other Camera (including the Sony A7S3) compared to what Sony claims its DR is. We'll all wait for you. Maybe it'll click.
@@pgsanta I have watched it. The A7SII claims 14 stops and is getting around 12.5 stops, Do you even own the R5 or A7SIII? Well I do and I know what they are capable of. I have had the R5 for 2 years and the A7SIII for 3.5 years. I know how far you can push them and the R5 is now where near what the A7SIII can do.