I got the R6 II when it came out and it's the best camera I've owned in 18 years as a pro and I shot for 12 years with the best 1D cams. R6 II blows the 1D cameras I used in terms of image quality and autofocus speed/accuracy which is saying a lot. I also used to print huge prints - even billboards - from the 8 - 10 MP cameras and they looked awesome. 24 MP will allow any size print and they will look awesome. I've had 2ft x 3ft posters made and the detail even up close is incredible. I've also compared images with the R5 and found that af accuracy and lens sharpness makes a bigger difference when it comes to image detail. I can upscale R6 II files to 45 MP output in Adobe Camera Raw and usually compared the R5 files it's VERY difficult to see any difference. If I use something like Adobe's built in Superscale, R6 II files actually give the perception of being more detailed. But what is nice is that the 24 MP files are so much easier to work with and store. I think MP is mostly marketing hype now that creates FOMO. I think the saturation point for MP on a full frame sensor was reached at about 30 MP, though I also find my R6 II files to be sharper than when I had the R. I shoot hockey and the R6 II has about a 95% perfect hit rate which destroys any 1 Series camera I had and those were top of the line pro sports bodies used by Sports Illustrated etc, for years. 10 fps on those cams was considered so fast they sounded like machine guns. Now with 12 fps on the R6 II, I just don't miss shots. Electronic shutter is way too fast and also degrades IQ (noise, dynamic range, bowing) for most cameras and culling shots from 40 fps bursts is not fun. In fact, even 12 fps bursts can be a lot after a few hours of shooting. The only thing I miss is having 4k120 for video. But man, the R5 and the R5 II here in Canada were almost 2x as much as the R6 II so with all the money I saved I got a 70-200 2.8 instead. Also the R6 II has significantly better battery life than the R5 and R5 II.
Thanks so much for sharing! Great insights and glad to hear you’re also loving your R6 Mark II. It really is such a great camera and the cost differential between it and the R5 line is so substantial. Definitely think it was a smart choice to invest that into the lens as you did! 😊
I am still sitting with my 5DSR as i am primary real estate and virtual tour photorapher, but waiting for some price drops on R6 mark ii and R5 mi, to move on. So hope this will be in near future :)
The problem is with the lenses and the reach. Specially with wlidlife photography. Shooting with 400 mm and little space for crop. Not everyone can afford the 600 f4. I actually switch to sony some years ago, and the mega pixels is something you neeed to get more reach or simply because you cannot compose perfectly with unpredictable moving subjects. We are blessed with options now, in all the brands, but the problem is they are way too expensive!
Clog2, 4k120, AF lock with foreground interference, 1080p 240 for social media slow-mo, 45 megapixel with 30 fps bursts and 8K video for big client contracts. It’s a no brainer. R5ii - A Cam R6ii - B Cam
Agreed! R5ii for A Cam is a great option with the R6ii B Cam as an amazing second. Having the different options between the two cameras is also really useful, but sometimes when you don’t have certain things 100% consistent between both cameras it can throw you off. At least they changed the buttons to be more in line now 😊
@@messengerbagmedia Agreed. I feel like they will be close enough. And when I need to pair them I will just shoot Clog3 on both. Ps- 4k120 has “Audio” too…game changer for what I do!
For sports photos? I shoot hockey and the R6 II never misses AF. It even nails eye AF through visors and cages with 95% accuracy. And it's probably better in low light than the R5 II. I shoot 12 fps though and never use electronic shutter as it degrades image quality for most cams (even the R5 II). I used to shoot as a pro with the best 1 Series cams that were 10 fps which was insanely fast, so 12 fps is even better. 40 fps is overkill imho. For video though, the 4k120 on the R5 II is great.
r6 mk ii owner...when I shoot sports indoors, I have to use the first curtain shutter in order to get rid of banding. so ..far from 40 fps. the r5 mkii solves this issue with anti flicker option available even in ES mode ( not even mentioning the 14 bit )
Thank you for your great considerations. I own the r6ii and I am very happy with it. Anyway I preordered the R5ii and wonder if the linescipped 4k 50p of the R5ii can compete with the oversampled 4k 50p of the R6ii. And: the 4k 120p of the R5ii is linescipped too. What do you think?
Thanks for the comment! Glad you enjoyed the video. That’s a really great question, too! I remember when the original R6 came out that was also a question people were asking. The oversampling on the R6 definitely provides a great quality video, but while the lineskipping may be/sound annoying or a drawback, it is only when you zoom in very close that you notice whatever small difference there may be. Maybe we’ll try to make a video addressing this question in future and show some comparisons! 😊
I have the Canon 5D Mark 4 and the R6 Mark 2. I have the R5 Mark 2 on preorder and trying to decide if I want to keep the order. I would at least get rid of the 5D and possibly the R6. I photograph sports and like the improved focusing and stack sensor primarily.
Upgrading from the 5D Mark IV to the R5 Mark II would be a big upgrade and having both your cameras be mirrorless may also be nice for you (especially if you do any video). If you’re unsure and are primarily doing photos, you could perhaps think about buying an original R5 secondhand, as that price will drop as people trade in to upgrade. I know you mentioned sports, so that stacked sensor would definitely be good, but just depends if it’s worth the money to you.
I had two r5m1 and an r7. Sold one r5m1 and have a preorder in to the r5m2. I shoot wildlife and primarily birds, so I find the 45 MP perfect for me. I do shoot video so I can use all three cameras for that but the r7 will be my primary video camera as I need to reach of the crop sensor then.
The reach of the crop is definitely useful! When we first bought the R the crop was helpful for the extra reach if you didn’t want to buy the lens for that purpose. That said, if you’re upgrading from the R5 Mark I the new sensor could be a nice bonus!
I got the old R5 and I'm a sport shooter (Aviation), and I always using ES electronic first curtain the price is too high!!!, and I have no other way but to stay with the old one, the price outside of US/EU, is 19K...
Thanks, never thought that somebnody upgrade from R6 mii to R5 mii :) please dont use music in videos in this video, even you think its good background its very disturbing (on headphones even on normal output).
I want one for mostly portraits. I hate the video/photo switch being on the left though. It should be where the power switch is instead so you can easily flick it with your thumb instead of moving your left hand back and forth from the lense. Especially cumbersome if you have a heavy lens.
If you’re mainly shooting portraits you may not be switching back and forth between photo and video all the time. When we switched from the original R6 to the Mark II I found the change odd for a couple of days and then grew to feel that the buttons were exactly where I wanted them to be
@@messengerbagmedia I went from R6 to R6ii as well. But still think it's not the best location for the switch. Thumb reach is more practical and efficient in my opinion. :)
Tnx for this review. When one upgrades from R6M2 to R5M2 yoy needs also the new battery. They give extra power for the functions in the R5M2. Also the new batteryholder with the fan. R5M2 use also the expensive CF-Express card and 1 one SD- card. WHile the R6M2 use SD-cards in both slots.
@@lengt001 Yep, all good points. The existing batteries also work, but the new battery in the R5 Mark II last for longer, particularly when doing anything in 8K. Thanks for watching and commenting 😊
Thanks for the feedback! Definitely something we’re considering. We also wanted to offer our opinion based on the specs in advance of the release, for people making day one decisions. Thanks again 😊
Its 45mpx (yeah more cpu power and disc needed too) but i want better af, clog2 (wouldn't move to it if they open clog2 on R6mkii) and more or less thats it.. all good on R6mkii
C-Log 2 on the R6 Mark II would be amazing to have! The better AF plus that are definitely making us think about it, but the cost versus what we have with the R6MKii isn’t enough at this point
@@messengerbagmedia i dp agree, and you can film 6k raw externally so you can achieve even better quality picture. But best part is that R6 is now on sale, its so cheap that its a no brainer!
@@Man_Cave Fair point in terms of pricing, but it can definitely be difficult to switch between manufacturers, especially if you have a lot invested in lenses. Thanks for your comment!
They’re definitely different but I know when we were deciding to upgrade that I found it helpful to see very specific comparisons between two models, even if they were for different markets/classes.
We’d love to give the R5 Mark II a try for sure! That said, we wanted to offer our opinions on the specs in relation to our uses as media professionals at this point as people consider buying it
You don't need to spend thousands of dollars for the R5II. You just build your own R5II camera at home using Canon's R5II blueprint that you can get from the black market.
I got the R6 II when it came out and it's the best camera I've owned in 18 years as a pro and I shot for 12 years with the best 1D cams. R6 II blows the 1D cameras I used in terms of image quality and autofocus speed/accuracy which is saying a lot. I also used to print huge prints - even billboards - from the 8 - 10 MP cameras and they looked awesome. 24 MP will allow any size print and they will look awesome. I've had 2ft x 3ft posters made and the detail even up close is incredible.
I've also compared images with the R5 and found that af accuracy and lens sharpness makes a bigger difference when it comes to image detail. I can upscale R6 II files to 45 MP output in Adobe Camera Raw and usually compared the R5 files it's VERY difficult to see any difference. If I use something like Adobe's built in Superscale, R6 II files actually give the perception of being more detailed. But what is nice is that the 24 MP files are so much easier to work with and store.
I think MP is mostly marketing hype now that creates FOMO. I think the saturation point for MP on a full frame sensor was reached at about 30 MP, though I also find my R6 II files to be sharper than when I had the R.
I shoot hockey and the R6 II has about a 95% perfect hit rate which destroys any 1 Series camera I had and those were top of the line pro sports bodies used by Sports Illustrated etc, for years. 10 fps on those cams was considered so fast they sounded like machine guns. Now with 12 fps on the R6 II, I just don't miss shots. Electronic shutter is way too fast and also degrades IQ (noise, dynamic range, bowing) for most cameras and culling shots from 40 fps bursts is not fun. In fact, even 12 fps bursts can be a lot after a few hours of shooting.
The only thing I miss is having 4k120 for video. But man, the R5 and the R5 II here in Canada were almost 2x as much as the R6 II so with all the money I saved I got a 70-200 2.8 instead.
Also the R6 II has significantly better battery life than the R5 and R5 II.
Thanks so much for sharing! Great insights and glad to hear you’re also loving your R6 Mark II. It really is such a great camera and the cost differential between it and the R5 line is so substantial. Definitely think it was a smart choice to invest that into the lens as you did! 😊
Hi----interested in R6ii--are your hockey shots on a website? If so, can you give me the link? Thanks
I am still sitting with my 5DSR as i am primary real estate and virtual tour photorapher, but waiting for some price drops on R6 mark ii and R5 mi, to move on. So hope this will be in near future :)
The problem is with the lenses and the reach. Specially with wlidlife photography. Shooting with 400 mm and little space for crop. Not everyone can afford the 600 f4. I actually switch to sony some years ago, and the mega pixels is something you neeed to get more reach or simply because you cannot compose perfectly with unpredictable moving subjects. We are blessed with options now, in all the brands, but the problem is they are way too expensive!
@@luispiovani9542 Great point! There are lots of options and being able to make up for a lack of reach with the megapixels certainly helps!
Clog2, 4k120, AF lock with foreground interference, 1080p 240 for social media slow-mo, 45 megapixel with 30 fps bursts and 8K video for big client contracts. It’s a no brainer.
R5ii - A Cam
R6ii - B Cam
Agreed! R5ii for A Cam is a great option with the R6ii B Cam as an amazing second. Having the different options between the two cameras is also really useful, but sometimes when you don’t have certain things 100% consistent between both cameras it can throw you off. At least they changed the buttons to be more in line now 😊
@@messengerbagmedia Agreed. I feel like they will be close enough. And when I need to pair them I will just shoot Clog3 on both. Ps- 4k120 has “Audio” too…game changer for what I do!
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I am upgrading to the R5 II but I primarily shoot sports so it just makes sense for me to upgrade.
Awesome! Seems like a great choice, particularly with the focus on sports photography!
For sports photos? I shoot hockey and the R6 II never misses AF. It even nails eye AF through visors and cages with 95% accuracy. And it's probably better in low light than the R5 II. I shoot 12 fps though and never use electronic shutter as it degrades image quality for most cams (even the R5 II). I used to shoot as a pro with the best 1 Series cams that were 10 fps which was insanely fast, so 12 fps is even better. 40 fps is overkill imho. For video though, the 4k120 on the R5 II is great.
Same
r6 mk ii owner...when I shoot sports indoors, I have to use the first curtain shutter in order to get rid of banding. so ..far from 40 fps.
the r5 mkii solves this issue with anti flicker option available even in ES mode ( not even mentioning the 14 bit )
Actually I am thinking upgrade to R3 for 4k 120, but keeping 24MP
The extra frame rate may definitely be worth it! Depends on how big you may blow up/zoom in your photos for the megapixels
Thank you for your great considerations. I own the r6ii and I am very happy with it. Anyway I preordered the R5ii and wonder if the linescipped 4k 50p of the R5ii can compete with the oversampled 4k 50p of the R6ii. And: the 4k 120p of the R5ii is linescipped too. What do you think?
Thanks for the comment! Glad you enjoyed the video. That’s a really great question, too! I remember when the original R6 came out that was also a question people were asking. The oversampling on the R6 definitely provides a great quality video, but while the lineskipping may be/sound annoying or a drawback, it is only when you zoom in very close that you notice whatever small difference there may be. Maybe we’ll try to make a video addressing this question in future and show some comparisons! 😊
Great video
Thanks for sharing
And for the practical perspective
@@aaronm5149 Thanks for the comment! Glad you enjoyed. Let us know if there are any other topics you’d like to see us cover in future!
I have the Canon 5D Mark 4 and the R6 Mark 2. I have the R5 Mark 2 on preorder and trying to decide if I want to keep the order. I would at least get rid of the 5D and possibly the R6. I photograph sports and like the improved focusing and stack sensor primarily.
Upgrading from the 5D Mark IV to the R5 Mark II would be a big upgrade and having both your cameras be mirrorless may also be nice for you (especially if you do any video). If you’re unsure and are primarily doing photos, you could perhaps think about buying an original R5 secondhand, as that price will drop as people trade in to upgrade. I know you mentioned sports, so that stacked sensor would definitely be good, but just depends if it’s worth the money to you.
I had two r5m1 and an r7. Sold one r5m1 and have a preorder in to the r5m2. I shoot wildlife and primarily birds, so I find the 45 MP perfect for me. I do shoot video so I can use all three cameras for that but the r7 will be my primary video camera as I need to reach of the crop sensor then.
The reach of the crop is definitely useful! When we first bought the R the crop was helpful for the extra reach if you didn’t want to buy the lens for that purpose. That said, if you’re upgrading from the R5 Mark I the new sensor could be a nice bonus!
The best camera is the one that just comes out.
Thank you for excellent review🙏👍
I'll stick with r6 mk ii too👍
Thanks so much! Glad you enjoyed the video 😊
I got the old R5 and I'm a sport shooter (Aviation), and I always using ES electronic first curtain
the price is too high!!!, and I have no other way but to stay with the old one,
the price outside of US/EU, is 19K...
@@anthonyhershko Yikes! And we thought it was expensive in Canada. Seems like a smart decision to stick with your original R5. Thanks for watching 😊
@@messengerbagmedia My pleasure!! Great channel!!
Thanks, never thought that somebnody upgrade from R6 mii to R5 mii :) please dont use music in videos in this video, even you think its good background its very disturbing (on headphones even on normal output).
Thanks for the feedback!
I want one for mostly portraits.
I hate the video/photo switch being on the left though.
It should be where the power switch is instead so you can easily flick it with your thumb instead of moving your left hand back and forth from the lense. Especially cumbersome if you have a heavy lens.
Just buy the r5
@@Yupthereitism that doesn't change my criticisms
@@BrianHallmond you’re buying the wrong camera for the job
If you’re mainly shooting portraits you may not be switching back and forth between photo and video all the time. When we switched from the original R6 to the Mark II I found the change odd for a couple of days and then grew to feel that the buttons were exactly where I wanted them to be
@@messengerbagmedia I went from R6 to R6ii as well. But still think it's not the best location for the switch. Thumb reach is more practical and efficient in my opinion. :)
Tnx for this review. When one upgrades from R6M2 to R5M2 yoy needs also the new battery. They give extra power for the functions in the R5M2. Also the new batteryholder with the fan. R5M2 use also the expensive CF-Express card and 1 one SD- card. WHile the R6M2 use SD-cards in both slots.
@@lengt001 Yep, all good points. The existing batteries also work, but the new battery in the R5 Mark II last for longer, particularly when doing anything in 8K. Thanks for watching and commenting 😊
You could rent these cameras before buying and check them out!
Thanks for the feedback! Definitely something we’re considering. We also wanted to offer our opinion based on the specs in advance of the release, for people making day one decisions. Thanks again 😊
I have an OG R6 and just bought a used R5 MK I now that the price has come down so much. I paid 1850 before tax and shipping.
sadly in my country the price of the new Canon R5 is still almost the same as the price when it was first launched 😔
The price is definitely dropping. Seems like a good combo!
@@dimaskresna2079The R5 Mark II comes out next week technically, so you may find the price on the original R5 has dropped substantially by next month
Its 45mpx (yeah more cpu power and disc needed too) but i want better af, clog2 (wouldn't move to it if they open clog2 on R6mkii) and more or less thats it.. all good on R6mkii
C-Log 2 on the R6 Mark II would be amazing to have! The better AF plus that are definitely making us think about it, but the cost versus what we have with the R6MKii isn’t enough at this point
@@messengerbagmedia i dp agree, and you can film 6k raw externally so you can achieve even better quality picture. But best part is that R6 is now on sale, its so cheap that its a no brainer!
It's not worth it. Especially when you consider the Nikon Z9 is basically the same price.
@@Man_Cave Fair point in terms of pricing, but it can definitely be difficult to switch between manufacturers, especially if you have a lot invested in lenses. Thanks for your comment!
Two different classes, comparing the two seems odd
They’re definitely different but I know when we were deciding to upgrade that I found it helpful to see very specific comparisons between two models, even if they were for different markets/classes.
If you don’t have it what are we doing
Buy camera first. Theoretical expert😂
We’d love to give the R5 Mark II a try for sure! That said, we wanted to offer our opinions on the specs in relation to our uses as media professionals at this point as people consider buying it
I am going to skip the R5II and wait until the R5 XXIII comes out.
You don't need to spend thousands of dollars for the R5II. You just build your own R5II camera at home using Canon's R5II blueprint that you can get from the black market.
I did that but the pages were stuck together so I accidentally made half an R5 Mark II and half a shepherd’s pie. 😩
@@coasterodyssey That is even better because now you are able to eat your pie and have your camera too.