@@badbooking3221 should be good enough for ovals 1.5 miles long and shorter, not for ovals over that length especially with Daytona and Dega. Rovals should be ok under the rain.
It’s worth pointing out that the only reason Andretti had to pit was because of a rule CART implemented that year dictating how many laps they could go between stops. Andretti seemingly had it made, as the mandatory window meant he would have to pit on lap 36, meaning he could win the race in the pitlane.
@@DepravedCoTApologist I doubt it was favouritism against Michael & Team Green. CART made a pit window rule for 2002 to discourage fuel economy races, and unfortunately CART whimsically decided to extend the race distance.
@@DepravedCoTApologist talk on the broadcast was that they were trying to choose a lap that had the least championship implications possible and that just happened to be the scenario where Dominiguez won but that could be wrong. The impact it did have was that it locked up Rookie of the Year for him since until that point he was behind Townsend Bell who had ran out of funding mid-season.
That race was also in the rain (a race that also should not have taken place), required a full race restart, with an unlikely winner. Not all the drivers in that crash managed to restart because of only having backup car per team, and both drivers crashing out in some cases. Also, there was almost a first time winner but Ralf was told to hold position. And speaking of Takagi, his teammate was the infamous Ricardo 'Tosser' Rosset, who went full send into that crash.
@@rotary_7812 He should've never even been in F1. He was slow, dangerous and consistently just bad. It's a miracle he got a couple of seasons under his belt. All the extremely bad drivers have lost their seat quite soon. Taki Inoue and Nikita Mazepin after one season, Yuji Ide after 4 races due to losing his license and Deletraz (What is Deletraz doing?) after only three races.
@@ic3man No, he was on the world feed for Formula E. He stepped back because he was undergoing cancer treatment, and then I'm not sure what went down from there, whether he couldn't travel because of the pandemic or FE just deciding not to renew him or what.
Poor Adrian Fernandez man, guy just keeps getting caught up in so many incidents involved with tragedy and injury. On the other hand, he has gotten a ton of screen time on BFM videos, so I guess that's something positive!
Ally that to the fact that whenever something good happened to him, it was on a bad timing. Such as his first win in Molson Indy 1996... But at the same race, we had the accident that killed rookie Jeff Krosnoff and track marshal Gary Avrin.
What really adds to this is that this was the third event in two years where a race should have been altered or postponed due to rain for CART. 2001 at Portland had so much weather drivers reportedly couldn't see and on the pace laps cars were sliding off circuit. They muscled that race through to its' two-hour distance and to be fair, the weather cleared up by the last 30 minutes. But it was still a cluster f* of a race. Then at Road America the same year there was a drainrage problem on the straight between the Kink and Canada Corner, leading to a virtual river going across the track at one of the fastest parts, while the rest of the circuit was either dry or nearly dry. CART didn't care, they had a TV schedule to stick to and they attempted twice to get the race going, leading to numerous crashed cars in two separate incidents that could have claimed lives. The entirety of 2001 has so many incidents like drivers getting burned from turning the cars into virtual pressure cookers at Michigan, the Texas debacle, numerous times where safety workers were working just inches away from a track while the green was out, and other stupid stuff. I fucking love CART, but something happened between 2000 and 2001 that totally changed how the series was ran. My guess is that after getting a good influx of money from going on the stock exchange shortly after the split started, the investors had ended up with enough power to hold final say on decisions regardless of safety. Danm shame because CART 2001 is a fucking fantastic season and 2002 is good in its' own right but incompetence led to it's downfall. There's also still the theory that CART arbitrarily extended the race distance to spite Michael Andretti because Michael and nearly that entire team were going to the IRL in 2003 while Mario Dominguez was a loyalist, but **shrug** make of it what you will.
i liked the video but a couple things were wrong, like cristiano da matta was already champion (he confirmed it by winning at miami) when he got to australia that year (hence using the number 1 instead of the number 6 he had used until then) also in 2002 there was a rule where you had to pit every x ammount of laps (aka have to do a 3 stopper assuming the race went full distance)
There was a race worse then this in the rain in the 1970's at nurburgring and Jackie Stewart mentioned that during an irl race during his announcing years
The fact that no driver got killed is amazing. Carrs under the other at full speed, t-bones at full speed, cars flying on top of each other and thankfully no driver got killed or serious injured. When the business/money make the calls on racing, we are going to have a bad time.
They should have either called the race at the original supposed end distance (36 laps in this case) instead of changing it during the race just so you get an feel good story with an first time winner. Terrible move there Cart.
I thought this race was unsafe & butchered…..until I saw the IRL race in 2011 at Las Vegas on a absolutely beautiful day. That made Surfers Paradise look like, well, PARADISE!!!
I'd argue that the cancelled Texas race in 2001 is worse, duw to how poorly organised and prepared everyone was. With the '96 US 500 a close third on the basis of sheer embarrassment.
The Gold Coast track is one of the best street circuits you can ever watch Edit, thinking about it, this isn't the worst wet weather race ever. The Darwin Supersprint back in 2003 (or 2005) for the Australian touring cars was the worst wet weather race ever. It hailed for most of the race and they drove through it until the end where it became an ice skating rink. Too many cars crashed.
Are you sure this was Darwin? Don’t recall a wet race here, but can vouch for it being a mess if it rained, the seal on the track is insanely slick when it’s wet.
During a Nascar Cup race in 1969 Don Mactavish had his entire front of his car ripped apart up to the driver seat. He was facing traffic as he spun around and was hit literally head on by another driver; severing his legs and killing him instantly. Dude had a massive 69' metal monster of a car hit his body face first at like 160-170MPH. Thats the hardest hit I've seen.
Alex Zanardi at the Lausitzring would like to have a word with you. Whatever you do, do not watch the clips online or look at the photographs, unless you're one of those people who like horrific crash porn
It was a combination of bad move. The US 500 alone wouldn't have killed Cart. But the US 500 and the death of Greg Moore and this Australian race and this Hawaiian super prix and that engine stuff and all these injuries...
Came back here to say that the 2021 Belgian GP just ran off with the title. It makes Surfers look at least....somewhat competent and CART in its death throes like they were on top of their game
not sure about that . 1991 Australian Grand Prix . massive pile up , keep on driving full speed through all the debris because f1 doesn't like to use safety cars in the 90s and the whole thing ends after 16 laps when Senna tells them to stop .
Just to add some information: 1. The championship had already been decided. THANK GOD. 2. The official reason given for the 41 lap length was so everyone would have to make 2 mandatory pit stops. The unofficial reason was to have Dominguez win to minimize the impact on the points, which almost makes sense.
And I thought 2001 Laguna Seca was them going for a sequel to Driven... There's a fantastic quote from Bob Varsha about how CART could put the drivers in a lottery machine and pull out a lottery ball and pick the winner, because of the mandatory pit window rules they had in 2002. I'm still angry about this race, but 2003 more than made up for it in my opinion. Being unbiased, this race should never have happened, they should have run it when they ran the then V8 Supercar races and shifted those to after the CART race.
The better quote is the one where Tommy Kendall says the race director can play God and pick his favorite driver to win based on whichever lap he decided to call it on.
That crash on the front stretch reminds me of one of the start of race 1 of the Gold Coast 600 for V8 Supercars and those were in sunny conditions. There's no room for error even in the best of conditions and a crash like that simply becomes an inevitability as conditions deteriorate.
I would say the worst Wet Weather Race in Motorsports History is the 2014 Japanese Grand Prix because Jules Bianchi Died, and the 2003 Brazilian GP because of the Crash Filled Race that happened with Mark Weber and Fernando Alonso, Michael Schumacher, Oliver Panis, and many more
1998 JGTC , Round 2 at the old Fuji Speedway was a little more out of hand than this , I think. The mist in Fuji was always beyond bad and it was pretty wet back then... Just before the race even started there's a fiery accident in the parade lap session involving GT300 Cars and hospitalizing a driver by the name of Tetsuya Ota. The race was suspended and discontinued afterwards, and Tetsuya Ota sued the organizers, including Fuji Speedway's management.
Tagajee? No.It's Takagi... And on a related note, Fernandez went after Dominguez saying he had nothing to celebrate. yeah, Adrian. Your first win in 96 at Toronto was not one you should have been celebrating either, but you'll get a slight pass for never being told what happened...
@@justinkrizenesky No they didn't, but it's assumed they did. I need to find the Marshall Pruit (I think it was him or Robin Miller) article on that day.
Always money before drivers safety, that's why not every series and track uses saferbarrier, too expensive to switch and drivers lives not worth that much.
Some have claimed CART fixed this race for Mario Dominguez to win. CART had mandatory pitstop rule which teams can pit after driving certain amount of laps. I believe it was 25-30 laps in this race. The drivers and teams ahead of Dominguez are either going to IRL or NASCAR the following year. CART officials orchestrated a way for Dominguez to win in loyalty because he's one of few drivers and teams to remain in CART the next season.
Another point is despite the race taking place outside the United States, the race was still run to US specs which of course states a race is official when half the laps plus one lap is complete. International standards, which of course Formula 1 runs to state once a race reaches 4 laps it is official and anything under that, the race is cancelled and not made up. International rules also make it where drivers are only awarded half points unless 75% of the race is complete. Ironically, Formula 1 had a race in Australia once that was run in the wet and proved to be disaster also.
As bad as this race is, I still consider the 1991 F1 Australian GP a worse wet weather race overall. Sure, this one had more controversy and worse crashes, but the fact the 91 Australian GP was stopped after 16 laps due to how undrivable the track was I think speaks volumes. Heck, even Senna, the leader of the race, was waving vehemently for it to be called. Considering he was known as a master of racing in the rain, that's pretty bad if you ask me.
This video reminds me of the current state of Nascar, when they first made changes to the schedule for the 2020 season in 2019 from moving Daytona from July to August for which the city of Daytona will get extra profit from that, Indy being on July 4th to now being on the road course. The other would be going to a street race in Chicago for next year. Also they’re putting entertainment over tradition, sport, and safety especially with how stiff the Next Gen cars are, to Kurt Busch being out with a concussion. I can also relate that this is a case of very poor management and incompetent people who are leading it. This could potentially turn into another CART situation with all the things that happened from 2001-2002 for CART. CART by then was at the bottom of the barrel by then and that’s what lead to the current Indycar series as we know today. It was all of these bad decisions by the management team which lead to the downfall of the popularity of CART.
There is fan footage from the stands of that start crash on RUclips, from there you can see and hear how hard some of those hits were: ruclips.net/video/BS5Y-vkn1DI/видео.html
I remember this race. In fact I live not far from there, albeit in Brisbane. I remember watching the crash and hoping nobody had died. Good to see this again, nonetheless.
This is probably the most bizarre race I've ever watched, in any series. There was something fascinating about watching strategies being played out at 80mph rather than 180 though!
This is not just the worst wet weather race in American open wheel racing history but the worst wet weather open wheel race of all time across Formula E, F1, CART, IRL and Indycar. I actually watched this race live as a kid and could not believe how bad it was. In fact this race prompted me to switch to IRL afterwards because I was so upset with the incompetence of CART to run this race in appalling and quite frankly dangerous conditions.
0:42 Just a quick note: they did some tests at TMS before the race. The problem was that the track was dirtier and colder than what was presented in the actual race weekend. They could've slowed down the cars for the race, but the management was so confused they ultimately decided to cancel the race.
CART clearly didn't learn from the 1998 F1 Belgian Grand Prix where over half the field crashed out on the run down to Eau Rouge and Radion, causing a red flag. At least the entire field made it around the first corner in Belgium... here, they were crashing on the start/finish straight with some really scary hits.
This is why f1 has a 2 hour race time limit with an outer 4 hour “event” limit if you include red flag time …… it also has a decent 75% minimum race distance rule for full points to be awarded I would only change/edit there half points rule to go further down to 25% race distance all the way up to 74% …f1 rules state a race has to be at least 3 laps otherwise it’s automatically void and I personally would give teams a vote if race is More than 3 laps but less then 25% race distance as to weather you give no points/ quarter points/ or half points depending on what caused ( a wet race red flag is completely different to a really serious accident red flag for example) …the race not to make 25% race distance.
@@ZontarDow Not exactly, the 2 hour race time limit was in place well before then; F1 Monaco 1996 went to the 2 hour limit. It was the reason why Panis won that race as had it gone to race distance he would had to have pitted for fuel.
I always felt like CART deliberately arbitrarily changed the number of laps to screw over Michael Andretti and Team Green because they were departing CART for the IRL after 2002.
Thank you for this video! As a young nascar fan in the 90s I also taken a liking to CART around 00-02. This was the last race I ever watched from that series. I believe I woke up at 5am to watch this as well
Aaaaaay Paul Tracy is in SRX. Anyways, I wish racing leagues that host rain races knew exactly what they were doing in every instance for the sake of authenticity and safety. In NASCAR's case they showed up with twigs on the windshield, no headlights and taillights, and let it go on despite no visibility. Meanwhile they frequently throw "competition cautions" for nothing everywhere else.
Love the video, and yes it was by far the worst wet weather race ever. But dear god man, you butchered so many of their names after the announcers said them seconds before lol
I would say that the 2021 Belgium Grand Prix was as bad as this, but not really, at least there the FIA cared about driver safety first, CART just ran in the rain like it was nothing initially, and that makes it worse IMO
Can Indycar please go back to this circuit(after the pandemic is all cleared up worldwide of course)?! I think it would be a great idea since they need more foreign races on the schedule. I would love to see Surfers Paradise, Monterey, and Sao Paulo back on the schedule as I loved those circuits.
I always loved CART and the CCWS so much. The cars were just simply beautiful and brutal looking with those massive tyres and wings. Never understood why people were favoring Indycar at that time, especially since most races back then were on ovals.
Forgive me for butchering some names. Thought I could say them lmao.
it's all good. great video either way.
I’ll let it slide this time, don’t let it happen again
You’ve tried your best, Portuguese is a damn language to learn
Its ok mate
wat yk bout future
This race makes NASCAR's management of rain racing look competent.
Not exactly. They only begin to run wet weather races in the last few years. NASCAR used to delay/cancel racedays when the heaven opens.
@@RazorSharp75426 Still can't run in the rain on ovals, same goes for Indycar.
Nascar management (although it is bad) still has a way to go to get CART level at that time.
NASCAR and rain races have usually gone well, especially in Xfinity.
@@badbooking3221 should be good enough for ovals 1.5 miles long and shorter, not for ovals over that length especially with Daytona and Dega. Rovals should be ok under the rain.
NR2003 madness: 5 laps needed to make a race official.
CART: Just crossing the starting line to make a race official.
Kevin Harvick: _COTA was extremely unsafe..._
Well then... *you clearly haven’t seen this CART race...*
CART: No one can fuck up more than us in the rain
F1 at Spa: "Hold my beer"
At least CART had a race, can you really call that a race?
@@silkychris999 what's really upsetting is that "race" at Spa will count as George Russel's first podium.
@@EricBurns1 yeah, and if he had qualified slightly better it would’ve been his first win
Watch the F1 race at Spa in 1998. That's what a good race in the rain looks like.
@@EricBurns1 his true first podium was Australia 2022
It’s worth pointing out that the only reason Andretti had to pit was because of a rule CART implemented that year dictating how many laps they could go between stops. Andretti seemingly had it made, as the mandatory window meant he would have to pit on lap 36, meaning he could win the race in the pitlane.
So, CART basically didn't want Andretti to win for some reason, and extended the race to make sure someone else won
@@DepravedCoTApologist I doubt it was favouritism against Michael & Team Green. CART made a pit window rule for 2002 to discourage fuel economy races, and unfortunately CART whimsically decided to extend the race distance.
@@DepravedCoTApologist talk on the broadcast was that they were trying to choose a lap that had the least championship implications possible and that just happened to be the scenario where Dominiguez won but that could be wrong. The impact it did have was that it locked up Rookie of the Year for him since until that point he was behind Townsend Bell who had ran out of funding mid-season.
they brought that rule in to stop people saving fuel
@@AlonsoRules Yeah, terrible as it was, as a rule there was far too many fuel wins in CART around the turn of the millennium.
The crash at the first start reminds me of the 1998 Spa start crash in F1. Ironically, Tora Takagi was involved in that one too.
That race was also in the rain (a race that also should not have taken place), required a full race restart, with an unlikely winner. Not all the drivers in that crash managed to restart because of only having backup car per team, and both drivers crashing out in some cases. Also, there was almost a first time winner but Ralf was told to hold position. And speaking of Takagi, his teammate was the infamous Ricardo 'Tosser' Rosset, who went full send into that crash.
I also just remembered, that in that massive crash in the 98 Belgian GP, there were no injuries.
Dominguez went full Ricardo Rosset in that crash
@@KayDizzelVids it was supposed to be 12 drivers who crashed, but the tosser just went full send and bam
@@rotary_7812 He should've never even been in F1. He was slow, dangerous and consistently just bad. It's a miracle he got a couple of seasons under his belt. All the extremely bad drivers have lost their seat quite soon. Taki Inoue and Nikita Mazepin after one season, Yuji Ide after 4 races due to losing his license and Deletraz (What is Deletraz doing?) after only three races.
The 2015 Grand Prix of Louisiana was a worthy sequel to this race
Domínguez going full Rosset at Spa 98 3:20
Yet he still managed to win* the race
Oh you mean "Tosser" 😅
@Riley Kirk yep he is
Cut to the Belgian Grand Prix of 2021, a two lap parade that counted so they didn’t have to give refunds.
Here during the Belgian Grand Prix mess in F1
I miss Bob Varsha’s commentating
@@ic3man Not in formula E anymore..
@@ic3man No, he was on the world feed for Formula E. He stepped back because he was undergoing cancer treatment, and then I'm not sure what went down from there, whether he couldn't travel because of the pandemic or FE just deciding not to renew him or what.
Translation bug that is funny
Kevin harvick: this race has the worst wet weather race ever
Cart: *oh I don’t think so*
2005 US Grand Prix: **drops from the ceiling** Hello there!
@@kevinramsey417 can you read?
LoL
1976 Japan GP : I'm still worthy!
All of these botched rain races: Well now, we wouldn't say that.
9:22 "YEAH MOTHERFUCKAH"
Bob Varsha: ".......Indeed"
Poor Adrian Fernandez man, guy just keeps getting caught up in so many incidents involved with tragedy and injury.
On the other hand, he has gotten a ton of screen time on BFM videos, so I guess that's something positive!
not a bad driver eather
@@nate567987 ah yes the eather I do the eather all the time.
Ally that to the fact that whenever something good happened to him, it was on a bad timing.
Such as his first win in Molson Indy 1996... But at the same race, we had the accident that killed rookie Jeff Krosnoff and track marshal Gary Avrin.
Kevin Harvick: "we don't belong in the wet"
CART: "HOLD MY MF BEER!"
What really adds to this is that this was the third event in two years where a race should have been altered or postponed due to rain for CART. 2001 at Portland had so much weather drivers reportedly couldn't see and on the pace laps cars were sliding off circuit. They muscled that race through to its' two-hour distance and to be fair, the weather cleared up by the last 30 minutes. But it was still a cluster f* of a race. Then at Road America the same year there was a drainrage problem on the straight between the Kink and Canada Corner, leading to a virtual river going across the track at one of the fastest parts, while the rest of the circuit was either dry or nearly dry. CART didn't care, they had a TV schedule to stick to and they attempted twice to get the race going, leading to numerous crashed cars in two separate incidents that could have claimed lives. The entirety of 2001 has so many incidents like drivers getting burned from turning the cars into virtual pressure cookers at Michigan, the Texas debacle, numerous times where safety workers were working just inches away from a track while the green was out, and other stupid stuff.
I fucking love CART, but something happened between 2000 and 2001 that totally changed how the series was ran. My guess is that after getting a good influx of money from going on the stock exchange shortly after the split started, the investors had ended up with enough power to hold final say on decisions regardless of safety. Danm shame because CART 2001 is a fucking fantastic season and 2002 is good in its' own right but incompetence led to it's downfall.
There's also still the theory that CART arbitrarily extended the race distance to spite Michael Andretti because Michael and nearly that entire team were going to the IRL in 2003 while Mario Dominguez was a loyalist, but **shrug** make of it what you will.
The 2021 Belgian Grand Prix makes this race look good in comparison. At least in this race, CART raced at all.
i liked the video but a couple things were wrong, like cristiano da matta was already champion (he confirmed it by winning at miami) when he got to australia that year (hence using the number 1 instead of the number 6 he had used until then) also in 2002 there was a rule where you had to pit every x ammount of laps (aka have to do a 3 stopper assuming the race went full distance)
The butchering of these names is top tier
Cristino 🤣🤣🤣
"Bruno Hoonqueera"
The best part is they're nearly always said correctly at some point in the race footage clips he uses for his videos.
There was a race worse then this in the rain in the 1970's at nurburgring and Jackie Stewart mentioned that during an irl race during his announcing years
You mean the '68 one?
@@RazorSharp75426 no in the 1970's
@@troygroomes104 you mean the '68' race?
@@aydankhaliq2967 nope 1970's
@@troygroomes104 1968 he described as the green hell hence the name stuck he was forced to drive by team owner Ken Tyrrell
The fact that no driver got killed is amazing. Carrs under the other at full speed, t-bones at full speed, cars flying on top of each other and thankfully no driver got killed or serious injured. When the business/money make the calls on racing, we are going to have a bad time.
They should have either called the race at the original supposed end distance (36 laps in this case) instead of changing it during the race just so you get an feel good story with an first time winner. Terrible move there Cart.
Christine Dematta? No. CHRISTIAN DAMATTA. HOLY CRAP!!!!!!!
I think the 2021 Belgian Grand Prix is a viable contender for this title
yep, let F1 never forget what a shitshow they put oin that day
And 2007 Japanese Grand Prix. Almost first half of the race under safety car.
Cup at COTA and 2016 Xfinity at Mid Ohio can eat their heart out
Al they need are flaps to prevent Jet stream to blind the Cars
Don’t forget the 2009 CC 600. Not a road course but a never ending rain shortened.
And don’t forget xfinity roval last year
@@HHPYE42 nah, that race was legendary
@@HHPYE42 people loved that race.
One thing that should always be known if it rains in south east queensland it is always torrential rain never slightly rainy weather
I thought this race was unsafe & butchered…..until I saw the IRL race in 2011 at Las Vegas on a absolutely beautiful day. That made Surfers Paradise look like, well, PARADISE!!!
That Vegas race in 2011 was a disaster waiting to happen...
Good video as always!
This isn't just the worst wet weather race ever, it's also the worst CART race in its history.
I'd take it a step further. This is the worst modern race.
@@danielb.burnham2382 There's no denying that the 2002 Honda Indy 300 is the worst modern race ever! 🤣
I'd argue that the cancelled Texas race in 2001 is worse, duw to how poorly organised and prepared everyone was. With the '96 US 500 a close third on the basis of sheer embarrassment.
@@DR3ADER1 *2005 F1 US GP has entered the chat.*
@@Caleferink1 That race pales in comparison to the 1975 Spanish Grand Prix.
4:20 Tora Takaji
The guy that had commentator screams "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA TAKAGI TORANUSKEHHHHHHHH!"
When The Iceberg and BFM Upload a minute apart
The Gold Coast track is one of the best street circuits you can ever watch
Edit, thinking about it, this isn't the worst wet weather race ever. The Darwin Supersprint back in 2003 (or 2005) for the Australian touring cars was the worst wet weather race ever. It hailed for most of the race and they drove through it until the end where it became an ice skating rink. Too many cars crashed.
Are you sure this was Darwin? Don’t recall a wet race here, but can vouch for it being a mess if it rained, the seal on the track is insanely slick when it’s wet.
3:19 is the hardest hit I've ever seen
During a Nascar Cup race in 1969 Don Mactavish had his entire front of his car ripped apart up to the driver seat. He was facing traffic as he spun around and was hit literally head on by another driver; severing his legs and killing him instantly.
Dude had a massive 69' metal monster of a car hit his body face first at like 160-170MPH. Thats the hardest hit I've seen.
@@JackTheripper911 that was horrible i have seen that wreck RIP MacTavish
Very hard hit, then he gets in a backup car and comes back to win the race. Crazy!
Anthoine Hubert was a hard hit too. RIP, he was way too young.
Alex Zanardi at the Lausitzring would like to have a word with you. Whatever you do, do not watch the clips online or look at the photographs, unless you're one of those people who like horrific crash porn
This didn’t kill CART. The US 500 and 2001 Texas situation did wayyy more harm to the series.
Hang on, what about the Driven movie?
Yeah but this race was the second to last nail in the coffin of CART.
It was a combination of bad move.
The US 500 alone wouldn't have killed Cart. But the US 500 and the death of Greg Moore and this Australian race and this Hawaiian super prix and that engine stuff and all these injuries...
Ultimately, what truly killed the series, was losing Honda and Toyota.
Came back here to say that the 2021 Belgian GP just ran off with the title. It makes Surfers look at least....somewhat competent and CART in its death throes like they were on top of their game
9:21 NASCAR would of had a field day if that happen on air 😂
Did he just swear?
I love the “........indeed” from the announcer xD
They'd be like "WE APOLOGIZE FOR THE EXTRA GRAPHIC CONTENT HERE, WE WILL NEVER SHOW TEAM RADIOS AT AUSTRALIA AGAIN"
Unless Dale Jr. is on the booth
@@RandomCarl05 Oh No, What about Dale Jr swearing at the Talladega Race in 2004 after winning.
@@NickSamon and that's why i said Jr lol (actually due to the "Giant as$ spoilers" if 2019 but that still counts lol)
2001 was such a disaster for CART (2 races were cancelled that season) that ESPN decided to abandon ship.
1984 Monaco Grand Prix, but more disastrously slow.
And who shined in that race? Stefan Bellof.
Well, 1996 Monaco GP was worse imo.
2007 Fuji GP
Every damn race in fuji
@@GarkKahn only when fog and rain joins the party though
not sure about that . 1991 Australian Grand Prix . massive pile up , keep on driving full speed through all the debris because f1 doesn't like to use safety cars in the 90s and the whole thing ends after 16 laps when Senna tells them to stop .
Just to add some information:
1. The championship had already been decided. THANK GOD.
2. The official reason given for the 41 lap length was so everyone would have to make 2 mandatory pit stops. The unofficial reason was to have Dominguez win to minimize the impact on the points, which almost makes sense.
2013 6 hours of Fuji was quite like that, but they ran only 16 laps under yellow before calling the day and giving half points to everyone
And I thought 2001 Laguna Seca was them going for a sequel to Driven...
There's a fantastic quote from Bob Varsha about how CART could put the drivers in a lottery machine and pull out a lottery ball and pick the winner, because of the mandatory pit window rules they had in 2002. I'm still angry about this race, but 2003 more than made up for it in my opinion. Being unbiased, this race should never have happened, they should have run it when they ran the then V8 Supercar races and shifted those to after the CART race.
The better quote is the one where Tommy Kendall says the race director can play God and pick his favorite driver to win based on whichever lap he decided to call it on.
That crash on the front stretch reminds me of one of the start of race 1 of the Gold Coast 600 for V8 Supercars and those were in sunny conditions. There's no room for error even in the best of conditions and a crash like that simply becomes an inevitability as conditions deteriorate.
One of my favorite episodes of Dave Despain on Wind Tunnel was after this event. He said " I will state the obvious even though CART won't get it ".
I would say the worst Wet Weather Race in Motorsports History is the 2014 Japanese Grand Prix because Jules Bianchi Died, and the 2003 Brazilian GP because of the Crash Filled Race that happened with Mark Weber and Fernando Alonso, Michael Schumacher, Oliver Panis, and many more
For 2003 Brazilian GP, it also ends with a confusing scoring/finish that led to Fisichella not declared winner until a day later.
@1:29 Christine DaMatta
@5:28 Christino DaMana
@6:58 Bruno Onquaira
LMAO!!!
1998 JGTC , Round 2 at the old Fuji Speedway was a little more out of hand than this , I think. The mist in Fuji was always beyond bad and it was pretty wet back then... Just before the race even started there's a fiery accident in the parade lap session involving GT300 Cars and hospitalizing a driver by the name of Tetsuya Ota. The race was suspended and discontinued afterwards, and Tetsuya Ota sued the organizers, including Fuji Speedway's management.
Some interesting attempts at pronouncing driver names here lol
Tora Tagaji
This makes COTA look like nothing 😂😂😂
Lol f1 race in worse condition than that lol
Brazil 2003 was worse than cota just to name one
@@danielpooley7148
Even FIA has standards.
Tagajee?
No.It's Takagi...
And on a related note, Fernandez went after Dominguez saying he had nothing to celebrate. yeah, Adrian. Your first win in 96 at Toronto was not one you should have been celebrating either, but you'll get a slight pass for never being told what happened...
I don't think their is any saving the name pronunciation through this video XD
The didn't tell Adrian about Jeff in 96 tho
@@justinkrizenesky No they didn't, but it's assumed they did. I need to find the Marshall Pruit (I think it was him or Robin Miller) article on that day.
Always money before drivers safety, that's why not every series and track uses saferbarrier, too expensive to switch and drivers lives not worth that much.
Better than 2 saftey cars laps at Spa which F1 gave us...
Some have claimed CART fixed this race for Mario Dominguez to win. CART had mandatory pitstop rule which teams can pit after driving certain amount of laps. I believe it was 25-30 laps in this race. The drivers and teams ahead of Dominguez are either going to IRL or NASCAR the following year. CART officials orchestrated a way for Dominguez to win in loyalty because he's one of few drivers and teams to remain in CART the next season.
Another point is despite the race taking place outside the United States, the race was still run to US specs which of course states a race is official when half the laps plus one lap is complete. International standards, which of course Formula 1 runs to state once a race reaches 4 laps it is official and anything under that, the race is cancelled and not made up. International rules also make it where drivers are only awarded half points unless 75% of the race is complete. Ironically, Formula 1 had a race in Australia once that was run in the wet and proved to be disaster also.
As bad as this race is, I still consider the 1991 F1 Australian GP a worse wet weather race overall. Sure, this one had more controversy and worse crashes, but the fact the 91 Australian GP was stopped after 16 laps due to how undrivable the track was I think speaks volumes. Heck, even Senna, the leader of the race, was waving vehemently for it to be called. Considering he was known as a master of racing in the rain, that's pretty bad if you ask me.
This video reminds me of the current state of Nascar, when they first made changes to the schedule for the 2020 season in 2019 from moving Daytona from July to August for which the city of Daytona will get extra profit from that, Indy being on July 4th to now being on the road course. The other would be going to a street race in Chicago for next year. Also they’re putting entertainment over tradition, sport, and safety especially with how stiff the Next Gen cars are, to Kurt Busch being out with a concussion. I can also relate that this is a case of very poor management and incompetent people who are leading it. This could potentially turn into another CART situation with all the things that happened from 2001-2002 for CART. CART by then was at the bottom of the barrel by then and that’s what lead to the current Indycar series as we know today. It was all of these bad decisions by the management team which lead to the downfall of the popularity of CART.
There is fan footage from the stands of that start crash on RUclips, from there you can see and hear how hard some of those hits were:
ruclips.net/video/BS5Y-vkn1DI/видео.html
7:00 i don't know if you can say it, since portuguese is not your native language, but we actually spell the "J" in "Junqueira"
I remember being there and being pissed off like most fans, but eventually understood why it was canned.
I remember this race. In fact I live not far from there, albeit in Brisbane. I remember watching the crash and hoping nobody had died. Good to see this again, nonetheless.
This is probably the most bizarre race I've ever watched, in any series. There was something fascinating about watching strategies being played out at 80mph rather than 180 though!
Holy shit I never put two and two together that Driven was released the same weekend as the abandoned Texas race.
5:51 that inner helmet camera view looks awesome.
Yup the surfers Paradise Race ended Cart and it was so sad because Cart was a no rules no no barge fest and for me IRL was garbage.
these cars were so beautiful and sounded so good
Surfers Paradise 2002.
I wish IndyCar would return here though.
Ask the V8 Supercars! This weather is pretty much normal for them
This is not just the worst wet weather race in American open wheel racing history but the worst wet weather open wheel race of all time across Formula E, F1, CART, IRL and Indycar. I actually watched this race live as a kid and could not believe how bad it was. In fact this race prompted me to switch to IRL afterwards because I was so upset with the incompetence of CART to run this race in appalling and quite frankly dangerous conditions.
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Just a quick note: they did some tests at TMS before the race. The problem was that the track was dirtier and colder than what was presented in the actual race weekend. They could've slowed down the cars for the race, but the management was so confused they ultimately decided to cancel the race.
CART clearly didn't learn from the 1998 F1 Belgian Grand Prix where over half the field crashed out on the run down to Eau Rouge and Radion, causing a red flag. At least the entire field made it around the first corner in Belgium... here, they were crashing on the start/finish straight with some really scary hits.
And then there were two scary rear-enders. Michael Schumacher into David Coulthard, and Giancarlo Fisichella into Shinji Nakano.
This is why f1 has a 2 hour race time limit with an outer 4 hour “event” limit if you include red flag time …… it also has a decent 75% minimum race distance rule for full points to be awarded I would only change/edit there half points rule to go further down to 25% race distance all the way up to 74% …f1 rules state a race has to be at least 3 laps otherwise it’s automatically void and I personally would give teams a vote if race is More than 3 laps but less then 25% race distance as to weather you give no points/ quarter points/ or half points depending on what caused ( a wet race red flag is completely different to a really serious accident red flag for example) …the race not to make 25% race distance.
F1 wouldn't implement that rule until a decade after this race in light of the 2011 Canadian Grand Prix
@@ZontarDow Not exactly, the 2 hour race time limit was in place well before then; F1 Monaco 1996 went to the 2 hour limit. It was the reason why Panis won that race as had it gone to race distance he would had to have pitted for fuel.
F1: wet races are always exciting
CART: Are you sure about that
I always felt like CART deliberately arbitrarily changed the number of laps to screw over Michael Andretti and Team Green because they were departing CART for the IRL after 2002.
There’s a new contender.....
The strangest thing in this race was a car catching on fire, in the rain.
Is there some kind of video explaining the CART series and the events that lead to less attraction than indycar and then finally the downfall?
The downfall basically had to do with incompetent upper management who had no business anywhere near a race track.
Running a race in the rain that shouldn't be run. Well, at least CART and Indycar agreed on something.
Yet another instance of CART's incompetence.
Thank you for this video! As a young nascar fan in the 90s I also taken a liking to CART around 00-02. This was the last race I ever watched from that series. I believe I woke up at 5am to watch this as well
Nascar COTA 2021 race: we have the worst rain race
Cart australian honda indy 2002 race: hold our rain
F1 belgian gp 1998 race: that's cute, kid
A brand new contender has shown up. (2021 Belgian GP)
Aaaaaay Paul Tracy is in SRX. Anyways, I wish racing leagues that host rain races knew exactly what they were doing in every instance for the sake of authenticity and safety.
In NASCAR's case they showed up with twigs on the windshield, no headlights and taillights, and let it go on despite no visibility. Meanwhile they frequently throw "competition cautions" for nothing everywhere else.
I knew exactly what this race would be by the title. Coincidentally I went to F1's worst wet race which was also in Australia
This comment aged well.
IMSA GTP ran a wet race on the streets of New Orleans, a city notorious for flooding, but nothing will ever top the 1965 Sebring 12 Hours.
I read the title and immediately knew it was gonna be the surfers paradise race
I was guessing either that or Canada 2011 and wondering htf he was going to not get struck down by FOM
Love the video, and yes it was by far the worst wet weather race ever. But dear god man, you butchered so many of their names after the announcers said them seconds before lol
I would say that the 2021 Belgium Grand Prix was as bad as this, but not really, at least there the FIA cared about driver safety first, CART just ran in the rain like it was nothing initially, and that makes it worse IMO
This is god and I was the one that tweeted the top ten RUclipsrs
I vividly remember staying up all night watching this
It pre-empted SPEED News that night.
That was before Wind Tunnel Era with Despain.
Iceberg or BFM....Iceberg or BFM...Ah I gotta go with BFM!
Iceberg: _furiously typing_
BFM should make a video about the 1973 Indianapolis 500.
That was a tragedy race.
You need to check out the spectator footage of the original start, cars go flying 5 meters in the air
3:54 Spa 1998 says Hi...
You could have also made a Video about the 1991 Formula One Australian GP which has been run in similar conditions
Or Monaco ‘96 or Belgium ‘98
1:37 Sean Gelael must’ve been watching this race....
O the good old days of cart/lndycar and the Gold Coast
Can Indycar please go back to this circuit(after the pandemic is all cleared up worldwide of course)?! I think it would be a great idea since they need more foreign races on the schedule. I would love to see Surfers Paradise, Monterey, and Sao Paulo back on the schedule as I loved those circuits.
I'd love a return to this circuit, but construction since 2009 has the streets south of the Esplanade no longer available.
@@NotSteveCook for context, a tram line now runs across it and has now split the track in two.
I miss CART so much. At this time, CART was very much on their last legs.
A nice, entertaining video by BFM.
Also, today’s my birthday! :D
I always loved CART and the CCWS so much. The cars were just simply beautiful and brutal looking with those massive tyres and wings. Never understood why people were favoring Indycar at that time, especially since most races back then were on ovals.