The Worst Weekend in CART History
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Honestly, you could make a whole video series on CART's 2001 season, and how much of a dumpster fire it was.
2001 was just a messy year for motorsports
@@ILikeRice88924 not to mention that the whole motorsport world lost 3 notable race drivers that year (Earnhardt Sr, Alboreto, and Bob Wollek), and CART starts to disembowl itself with this.
@@RazorSharp75426 2001 was just a messy year in general for obvious reasons
Despite the dumpster fire, the level of competition and parity CART had in 2001 was outstanding.
Not to mention 9/11
Make a video on the 2002 CART Surfers Paradise crash and how lucky we are that 3 or 4 guys weren’t killed in that wreck, specifically Adrian Fernandez, Tora Takagi, & Michael Andretti
he already did that. It was called "The Worst Weather Race" I think
@@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT my bad I forgot about that one
@@JHockeyFan you're good
Wow, I was there standing at the VB chicane….
@@Ofthe7thSon I don't know what's worse, the VB chicane or VB itself.
Stallone has one script. He's applied it to boxing, racing, policing, etc. . . and made a nice living doing it. Great video. Thanks!
Don't forget arm wrestling ("Over the Top").
He was also a goalkeeper (Escape To Victory)
Brock Beard's video on Driven is hilarious.
"Oh no, he has a boo-boo his foot! Man, this kid is such a FEEB!"
I’d love to see a video on how late 90s and early 2000s CART was insane, with the speeds and tracks
We need more of that.
Where _Driven_ fails is that it tries to be a romance movie centered around racing. Jimmy Bly, Beau Brandonberg & Sophia... Joe Tanto & the lady he was with... Memo Moreno & his overdefensive wife who clashes with Carl Henry... Jimmy Blye's brother & the lady he was with...
It was like a better version of those stupid NASCAR romance novels in the mid-2000's (& no I am not making that up).
Memo's "yandere wife" was named Cathy (played by Gina Gershon, can't really stand with her somewhat bitchy character in the film), she was formerly Joe's wife who cuts him off and goes with Memo Moreno
It failed in every aspect of anything.
@@hughanthony2001 I think the soundtrack was the only good thing coming out of that movie.
@@RazorSharp75426 And yet, she was mad, because Joe and Memo were best buds - there's nothing wrong with your ex and your current be friends. But out of all characters in the movie, the most irredeemable is Deville Bly (played by Robert Sean Leonard). I mean he was a total jerk to his brother and was ready to backstab him the first chance he got. Jimmy looked up to him (maybe because he was the only family he has as their parents were never mentioned) and how does this overbearing jackass repays him - by calling him a failure after being called out for his betrayal.
@@ivaneurope Demille? Not Carl (Burt Reynolds)?
Driven is a typical example of how tough it is for film makers, especially if they are ignorant of what can happen in motorsport, to make a convincing film with an engaging plot and eye catching action as well. For the record, although he played a bit fast and loose with some of the off track scenes, like punching a journalist to a pulp (which didn't happen in real life), Ron Howard did his homework properly when it came to Rush. Not only did he use contempory cars from the 1976 F1 season, but Daniel Bruhl and Chris Hemsworth pretty accurately portrayed the rivalry between James Hunt and Niki Lauda I feel. You can really feel the emotions they have when they're engaged in that epic battle for the championship that amazing year. Daniel Bruhl was superb as Niki Lauda, showing the private mental battle he had to overcome in order to beat the scars he picked up after his firey crash at the Nurburgring that year
I think now comparing Driven to Rush is like comparing 'Tokyo Drift' to 'Alive Hoon' (that new Japanese drifting movie). Driven is Tokyo Drift and Rush is Alive Hoon. From what I see, Alive Hoon has trumped FnF Tokyo Drift.
@@RazorSharp75426 Or comparing Mario Kart to Assetto Corsa.
The 2001 season was definitely the beginning of the end for CART. The movie Driven and the Firehawk 600 fiasco were just the sparks. Shame, as CART in the 90's up through 2000 was quite possibly the most exciting racing series at the time.
Yep, and after that, Penske jumped ship to the IRL, and it was a quick downward spiral from there.
Not to mention holding a race right after 9/11, when so many other sports didn't out of respect, and the result was one of their star drivers almost getting killed.
@@crystaljon CART was stuck with that one. If they were in the US, the race never would have happened. They were stuck in Germany, they had all of their equipment, and US Airspace was still closed so there was no chance of getting home. With all that factored in, you might as well race.
death, taxes, Texas Motor Speedway being a bad track for all forms of motorsports
I still remember Kenny Brack’s terrifying crash in 2003 at the IndyCar Season Finale.
Texas wasn't that bad before Nascar fucked up the reconfiguration.
with the next gen car texas might become good again
@@Whogrl16 Maybe, but nobody gives a shit about NASCAR anymore.
@@ninetailedfox579121 or at least everyone starts to give a shit about NASCAR again, partly because they're fed up with V6 turbos, hybrids and EV racecars.
5:00 Gives me bad flashbacks of The Final Destination where a Screwdriver on the back of a Late Model leads to the whole speedway to collapse
As a young open wheel fan in addition to NASCAR, the whole 2001 season for CART was one of the major reasons why I started watching the IRL & increasing the number of F1 races I watched. This weekend plus what happened in September of that year to my favorite driver at the time Alex Zarnardi at the LausitzRing in Germany made me stop watching CART entirely. The series basically became a shell of its former self after 2001 while IRL grew in popularity. As for Driven I agree with the view that it is one of the worst motorsports movies of all time and the video game that was released alongside it is one of the worst racing games of all time.
...there was a video game? *cringes*
@@justingingras5426 unfortunately yes
CART: "sorry that we couldn't figure out how to safely run at an oval... anyways go see Driven!"
Where _Driven_ excels the most is that is had 1 of the *BEST* soundtracks I have ever heard for any movie:
- "Out of Control" by The Chemical Brothers
- "I'm Not Driving Anymore" by Rob Dougal
- "Mother" by ERA
- "Right Here Right Now" by Fatboy Slim
- "Grey, Black, & White" by Grand Theft Audio
- "Fire" by Ohio Players
- "High Roller" by The Crystal Method
- "For the Love of Money" by Rare Blend
- "Gasoline" by MDFMK
- "Breakdown" by Tantric
- "Hey Man Nice Shot" by by Filter
- "Good Time" by Leroy (Which I believe is the official theme of the movie)
- "Poison Well" by Insolence
- As well as a lot of the instrumentals in the movie too _(EDIT: The artist of those instrumentals is BT)_
Yeah the music is good.
"I'm Not Driving Anymore" by Rob Dougall! I think it was pretty much decent that Top Gear UK uses the instrumental version of it as a background song for some of their performance car reviews and tests in the mid 00s.
"For the love of Money" was originally made and performed by The O'Jays, but for Driven it was covered by Rare Blend.
Was the only good thing about this crappy movie
Fun Fact: Driven is Denny Hamlin's favorite racing movie
Wonder how “Federal Express
Wonder if DennyDelivers has a different opinion
@@BigEOT3 Probably
Is it because CART was sponsored by FedEx at the time?
@@crystaljon seems like it
@@crystaljon yeah, that's right.
Let's not also forget, Driven is Denny Hamlin's favorite racing movie apparently.
The “Denny Hamlin” who espoused that opinion is clearly the director under a paper-thin disguise.
He's aware that there are other racing movies...right?
@@fishflake1209 you mean Renny Harlin? Their names sounds somewhat similar
Ironically or does he think it's actually a good film? Respect to him if it's the former.
@@hughanthony2001 he did point out its flaws though (stupid CGI and over-the-top crashes) so maybe it's the former.
Love the vid! Nice to see more content that isn’t just nascar
You should have touched on Indy coming as we all laughed at Cart. No one else had problems at Texas Motor Speedway! Yes, "they should have known".
The fact PacWest were championship Contenders, it is hillarious. Mark Blundell and Mauricio Gugelmin were as close to title gontenders as Andre Ribeiro and Late 90's Al Unser Jr. A.k.a. Not at all
Sly and Renny gave PacWest "plot armor" in that movie
But let's not forget Gugelmin won at least once in CART
@@RazorSharp75426 so did Blundell
@@Maverick33 they did it when they drove for PacWest, ain't it?
Maybe you should do Track Busts. I'll Start... Texas Motor Speedway lol
Driven is so stupid that its fun I like to re-watch it from time to time cuz it always makes me laugh. Though that wheel scene was a pretty bad idea ngl.
Unforseen issues which had never been encountered before... "But CART should have known." Give me a damn break
Eddie Gossage is such a clown
Yes they should've known. CART officials were playing fast and loose with safety for years and ignored Texas' request for a proper evaluation of car speeds in tests beforehand. The series was rightfully sued by the circuit and forced to make a multi-million dollar payout that ultimately bankrupted CART.
@@DepravedCoTApologist the same guy when cup guys raised concerns about safety there he told them to shut up and race
I was 7 years old when Driven came out and I loved it as a kid. I still enjoy watching it now as a 28 year old adult but everything wrong with the movie I notice now because I didn’t when I was 7. Another great video Black Flags Matter.
Did you ever play the PS2 game?
@@CoffeeFurret I never did. Wish I could find it though.
@@CoffeeFurret the Gameboy advance game was fun
The idea of Driven wasn't bad, but definitely it would work better as a series instead of a movie, that would allow to expand the Lore, have episodes focused on the races, other on Tanto and Brandenburg's past and develop better all the characters and show more things of them.
Had no idea "CART-Days Of Rocky" existed lol
Its god awful and embarrassing to watch.
@@JackTheripper911 even Rocky series itself aged poorly now, even with Creed installments. Boyka looks better than Rocky as of now.
As a Stallone fan he wanted Driven as an autobiography of Senna should've been a NASCAR Movie instead
Lets not forget the Midway CART arcade game
Paul Page's Dinner with Racers podcast episode had a few minutes about the movie. It was....a clusterfucking train wreck. Renny Harlin had some, let's just say, wild ideas. A nuclear explosion was thrown around, the SGA went after Paul, Paul had none of it and stood up to them, it was an unapproved film in their eyes.
Oh and it gave Parker Johnstone some great zinger material too. Driven was originally about F1, Bernie said no, Sly went to CART and....that is the resultka
I will never forget being on my way to the track coming from Dallas hearing that they had canceled the race on the radio. It happened right before we got there. Awful day for racing. It was truly the final nail in the coffin for Champ Car/CART after fighting with the IRL. All they had to do was lower the boost pressure on the cars, and this could have been avoided.
Fun fact: Stallone wanted to make a Formula One movie but Formula One was being secretive with their stuff so he decided to make it a movie about CART
Edit: the character of Jimmy Byle used Juan Pablo Montoya's helmet
Jimmy wore Mark Blundell's helmet btw. The one who wore Montoya's helmet was Beau Brandenburg.
@404 TV fun fact: I wrote the part about Stallone wanting to make the film about Formula One before Darian mentioned that
The only good thing about Driven movie, the soundtrack.
As if these events weren’t rough enough, an oft overlooked fact from this particular race weekend is that Paul Page and ESPN had US Navy Aviator and Flight Surgeon Dr. David Brown join the pre-race show (Or Pre-Race postponement show) to discuss what G-Forces are and what overloading on G’s could do to a Human. 22 months later Dr. David Brown would die aboard the shuttle Columbia when it broke up on reentry.
Definitely love this video bro,that movie was the worst didn't explain the plot storys it just like it was rushed didn't mind the action part of the race just the behind plot storys.
That's the thing, the on-track experience, thankfully as inauthentic as it is, was fun to watch when I saw this movie as a kid. The accident scene in Unknown 'Germany' was intense as well.
I definitely remember that, Texas is my home track and was looking forward to watching that race on TV. They made the right decision in not racing, as for the movie, let's not discuss that....
Not only that, but the night before the race was supposed to take place, IRL held their Atlanta race in which there was a huge crash early on that sent Dr. Jack Miller to the hospital. Looking at the replays, it's a wonder no one was killed in that accident.
Its like Stallone was watching a race and one day thought To himself "they drive because their driven" then decided to build an *entire movie* around a shitty One-liner he says later on in the garbage movie.
Its genuinely embarrassing
Stallone is basically the Andrea Sassetti of holywood producer and movie makers. No wonder he had most Razzies
Kinda wondered what would happen if Tarantino did the same, watching a race and thinking about making movies about it.
@@RazorSharp75426 the closest we got, was a chase sequence in a movie via Death Proof.
That is when Tarantino was watching "Bullit" and thought to himself "i can do this with way more damage and deaths!" And boom lol
I love Death proof though its a classic imo
And months before Alex Zanardi's near fatal crash at Lausitzring. It was a bad omen all around for CART in 2001.
The worst part is a race in Texas could have been possible.
Instead of the 800hp usual horsepower of that era, they could have raced at 500hp to 600hp... Maybe with more wings.
It's the 230 mph plus that is the issue.
How do you just cut 200-300 hp overnight?
How do you add wings without increasing cornering speed?
@@The52car
That story didn't happen overnight ;) So there is an assumption here that I feel is amiss.
Cart had data having run in Atlanta in the 1980s, run at Rafaela once before (in the USAC era), and had seen IRL&Nascar running in Texas for a few years. They should have known that this oval was a little bit of a different beast.
Furthermore, they did a bit of testing in the winter on December 18 and 19. So really, they were no excuses.
On paper, with these engines, with the parts available at that time you can decrease the turbo pressure (they had a valve just to control that) and change the rev limiter.
Now, they are limits to these engines and I don't know how much turbo pressure they need to run well. I know that the old offenhauser used at Indy in 1973 could run between 700 hp and 1300 hp depending of the turbo pressure, so there is a margin that exist with these engine.
So what I am saying would have needed testing. However, I'm not going completely blind.
Cart at that time were testing different pressure between 37 and 40 inHG, with a difference of about 60 HP. The count isn't there, but it gives indication.
In 2002, they started running the Ford at 34 inHG, with moving the rev limiter from 16,500 to 12,000 rpm which gave about 750 HP. Closer, still a bit much for that track.
So reducing the turbo pressure at 28 to 30 inHG and rev limits at 11,500 rpm and it might have worked. It would have needed testing, because I am not 100% sure if it would create problems with these engine. That kind of testing can be done on an engine bed, and these engines would have needed remapping as well for the injection.
If you ask me to do it overnight, I'm doing that and say "that's on you, boss, if we look dumb and the team are going to complain a lot about engine mapping."
As for wings and speed on the turn: this particular oval was pretty much flat out anyway, so having more wings would pretty much just create more drag. Which is good because that's what you want to slow down these cars. However, this too need testing because a Monaco configuration on an oval is stupid and could create problem with the suspensions because there would be too much pressure...
However, between these wings and the Monaco type configuration, there are many options that can be considered.
Basically, it came down to planning, testing, use of appropriate data, and critical thinking to give an appropriate package of rules for this track.
I'm certain that this track can be raced with Cart cars from that era, it just need the appropriate package.
1:15 I know it's part of the ad portion of the video, but I was working T2 at Long Beach this year and saw this moment unfold in real time.
4:05 if that was in real life no doubt serious injury or possibly death.
*physics left the chat
1:56 that guy behind the wall was lucky he didn't get hit by debris
this was a weekend I was looking forward to in sixth grade and was waiting weeks for... was incredibly excited to watch the movie in theater and comeback home and watch the race... feel like a small piece of my childhood and love for motorsports died that day...
If CART had tried to run at Charlotte Motor Speedway or Atlanta Motor Speedway that same year, they would’ve ended up with the same result as this track as the speeds would’ve been excessive.
Concerning the wheel incident in CART, the next year would see the same thing happen in the IRL at Charlotte.
Bad track, bad movie, bad everything
Nice. Well the Texas debacle 2001 pretty much sealed the fate of CART completely and to compound that with Driven being one of the worst racing movies on top along with many other issues which of course led CART gone bust in 2003 being replaced by Champcar until February 2008 when it merged with Indycar
If there were a list of ideas for videos got quite a lot of suggestions and yes I do apologise it's a lot.
Not a Bust
Kenny Brack (Career all but ended in a Crash at Texas in 2003)
Adrian Fernandez
Sam Hornish Jr
Cristano Da Matta
Ryan Briscoe
Sebastien Bourdais
Bruno Junquiera (Finished 2nd in CART 2002, 2003, Champcar 2004 championships before career got turned by injury at Indianapolis 500 in 2005)
Bad Seasons (Nascar)
Dale Earnhardt Jr (2007)
Kurt Busch (2003)
Greg Biffle (2004)
Kevin Harvick (2009)
Elliott Sadler (2003)
Kyle Busch (2009)
Matt Kenseth (2009)
Bad Season (Indycar)
Scott Dixon (2005)
Dan Wheldon (2007)
Sam Hornish Jr (2004)
Paul Tracy (CART 1998)
Kenny Brack (CART 2002)
Good Seasons
Carl Edwards (2005 both Busch and Cup)
Sam Hornish Jr (Nascar Nationwide Series 2013)
Jeff Gordon (2004 or 2007)
Denny Hamlin (2006)
Championship Hangover
Nigel Mansell (1994)
Al Unser JR (1995)
Matt Kenseth (2004)
Juan Montoya (CART 2000)
Scott Dixon (IRL 2004)
jimmie Johnson (2011 or 2014)
Gone Too Soon
Gonzalo Rodriguez (Laguna Seca 1999)
Dale Earnhardt (Daytona 500 2001)
Justin Wilson (Pocono August 2015)
Paul Dana (Homestead 2006)
Ayrton Senna (Imola 1994)
Tony Renna (Indianapolis Test - October 2003)
John Nemechek (Homestead - March 1997)
Clifford Allison (Michigan - August 1992)
Nascar Bust
Reed Sorensen
Mike Bliss
Bobby Hamilton Jr
Casey Mears
Jon Wood
Milka Duno (Both Nascar and IRL) (Including their altercation in Practice at Mid Ohio with none other than Danica Patrick)
David Ragan
Indycar Bust
J R Hilldebrand
Tora Takagi
Darren Manning
Richie Hearn
Championship Seasons
Gill De Ferran (CART 2000)
Scott Dixon (IRL 2003)
Tony Kanaan (IRL 2004)
Will Power (Indycar 2014)
Jeff Gordon (Nascar 1998)
Other Subjects
Penske's Worst Weekend (Indianapolis 1995)
CART''s Best Season before it's Demise (2000)
Indianapolis's Most Dramatic Finishes (2006 between Marco Andretti and Sam Hornish Jr) or (2011 when J R Hilledbrand hit the wall on the final turn of the final lap with Dan Wheldon's last win)
The Most Controversial Indianapolis 500 Finish (2002)
F1's most tragic Weekend (Imola 1994) (Loss of Roland Ratzeberger and Ayrton Senna)
The Race no driver wanted to lead (Chicagoland Tropicana Twister 300 - 2004)
Atlanta’s most unpredictable race (Fall 2004)
Keep it going with the great content dude. Apologies for the long list of ideas.
Tora Takagi and Alex Yoong should be "F1 and Indycar" busts.
@@mattiasgarbi9470 fair point well made although to my knowledge Yoong didn’t compete in indycar
@@RossBrutyPlane707 It was champ car, I thought he raced in the last season of CART. My bad 😞
This was the same day that my appendix burst. I watched the Spanish Grand Prix that morning, then found out the CART race was cancelled, then went to the hospital. I had to wait a week to go see Driven. It was awful. The movie was awful.
That was too funny.they just didn't really want to race .
Helped their series eventually go under
An IndyCar RUclipsr named Indy Fanatics did a video on this featuring Ianperez48
Absolutely love your videos,I just wish they were longer,that would be amazing but I understand if it's not possible. Your content is amazing ❤️
2001 was in my opinion the worst cart season, The Firestone 600 was a diaster and even worse during the race in germany alex zanardi lost both of his legs after getting clobbered by alex tagilani. It was only a matter of time before the series collapsed.
Won’t lie though Darian, Driven’s soundtrack was better than the film itself
I think the same thing too about the soundtrack.
Only the rock-oriented ones (The best things, Hey man nice shot, Grey Black & White, Green light girl and Poison well) and some of BT's scores were decent, though. BT really had a busy year back then, where the heck is he, I wonder?
@@RazorSharp75426 don't forget Mother by Era
Apparently the reason why an F1 Stallone movie never happened was because the F1 teams were against it due to the possibility of having to reveal classified information about their cars and operations.
At least over a decade later we got the much better Ron Howard directed Rush with Daniel Bruhl and Chris Hemsworth.
@@BigEOT3 Rush is what Driven wanted to be, but then Driven developed a heroin problem
@@JackTheripper911 I think Driven is more like James Garner's Grand Prix, but with less passionate effort and desperation-fueled undertaking.
@@BigEOT3 Ron Howard did a great job on Rush. But I think it could have been better if Howard did it with Martin Scorsese , since Rush 2013 takes place in the 70s for the most part. The 70s was also the golden era of porn and sexual revolution, so I think if Scorsese was tagging along in making Rush with Howard he would bring out to the audience , more honest and raw depiction about James Hunt, probably putting "Wolf of Wall Street" and "Boogie Nights"-esque element to Rush (even though WoWS timeline starts in the 80s).
@@RazorSharp75426 But James Garner's Grand Prix is still a good movie. You'd have to be Space Ice to like Driven...
BFM: The only thing that it did good is the coin flip scene
Buffalo Bills fans: The What???
I remember this vividly. We had season tickets and i grew up 3 miles from tms. Couldnt believe what was happening before my eyes as a youngster. My dad was a fire and rescue wrecker driver during this year.
I've seen Driven at so many yard sales and flea markets over the years and I ignore it every single time. There are movies that are so bad, they're good. Driven is not one of those movies.
This sadly was the nail in the coffin, followed by the lawsuits.
Whatever you guys do, get the Driven movie AWAY from me! I have never seen it, and I do not want to
I have seen Driven and Yeah I wouldn't recommend checking it out
I think the movie is driven away from the movie theatre.
@@NickSamon that “movie” should be driven away from our memories
@@NASCARFAN93100 get it away from me
@@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT With pleasure
Driven is to CART as Brink is to Rollerblading lmao
Or HIV to Eazy E and Freddie Mercury
Love these videos, because I always learn something new.... weirdly enough, I never did start watching open wheel racing (IRL, in particular), until like I was 6 or 7 years old.... and Driven, does, not seem very appealing, to me, whatsoever.... and weirdly enough, I might as well, take a gander here, and I think the dizziness, has concussion signs written all over it....
So the Joe Tanto/Beau Brandonberg thing in the movie as far as I know it:
The Detroit Grand Prix some years ago in movie lore, there was some wreck that probably Joe caused & it nearly resulted in both getting killed (Though this is debatable because of Beau's character before the movie). Beau continued racing while Joe retired.
As for Carl Henry being paralyzed, he was just upset that Jimmy Bly chose to save Memo Moreno instead of continue to race & said if he was in that car (Which he says he can't because of him being paralyzed) he would have continued racing. Honestly Carl Henry's was the only character in the entire movie that didn't have any sort of development.
Carl Henry was supposedly based on Frank Williams. This has the traces back to when Stallone wanted to make a F1 movie. And Til Schweiger’s character Beau Brandenburg is supposedly based on Michael Schumacher.
@@BigEOT3 Both make sense in theory & actually makes sense as a throwback to it's origin.
So from the bits and pieces I’ve put together to explain Drivel’s plot holes from various credible sources. There’s a montage of drivers dropping their kids off to day care, pre race rituals etc I believe that was meant to be the opening of the movie. The next action sequences was meant to have Sly “Joe” and the director of the movie Renny Harlin (giving himself a cameo appearance) racing each other. Which leads to a collision where Sky’s car jumps the fence and ends up in the Detroit river and Renny’s car spins off the track and through the day care centre injuring Burt’s character and killing a bunch of kids. You can thank Paul Page for digging in and forbidding that small scene in particular for not making into the movie
Remember at the time Texas had concrete barriers all the way around
I was a senior in high school when driven was released and saw it the day it came out with my girlfriend and friends. We laughed.
Driven is honestly one of my go to guilty pleasure movies. I know it is bad but God I just can't help myself
Not to mention that Driven was nominated 7 times at an awards show called the Golden Raspberry Awards, which cites the worst movies per year.
And how many times it won?
@@RazorSharp75426 none
@@NGPG Well Estella Warren won for it and Tim Burton’s Planet of the Apes remake for Worst Supporting Actress.
@@BigEOT3 so the whole Driven cast were full of bad actors/actresses bar Stallone, Reynolds and maybe Gershon, I guess. The rest were nobodies.
4:54 Final Destination 4 moment
No appropriate tests were conducted at Texas by CART. Nowhere near a full field of cars tested there prior to the race. No one lapped above 226 mph in testing, but that Friday Tony Kanaan topped the speed charts at over 233 mph. Paul Tracy would set the all time lap record at 22.542 (236.678mph); over a second faster than an IRL car had even run at TMS. High G-loadings were causing drivers like Gugelmin and da Matta to think they were crashing (when everything was actually fine), prompting them to correct their steering, and crash. Max Papis, when called back to his pit, could not discern the frontstretch from the backstretch. One unnamed driver blacked out in Turns 3 & 4. He was on the backstretch, lost consciousness, and had no idea how he got to the frontstretch.
Had the race gone on, it would've been Driven in real life.
I bet if the race goes on, at least 1 or 2 driver(s) would experience mindbreak mid-race. At those speeds , anyone won't be able to make clear judgements or think clearly, as far as I know.
@@RazorSharp75426 By Mid-Race everyone would have probably passed out.
There was also a DRIVEN video game for the PS2. It is somehow worse than the movie. In the same 2001 year CART Fury Racing Championship was release as well. Also not very good. No matter the form of media it seems that CART was constantly dropping the ball. The more i look back on CART, the less surprised i am that the series lost to the IRL.
I loved that movie, i was also a child but i loved it. I was just getting into motor sports and seeing a movie about it made me more passionate about it.
4:04 is my favorite part about this video like why does he sound so happy saying that
Not quite the analysis of the “Why DRIVEN Helped Kill the CART Series” suggestion of mine from last year but close enough. Good job anyhow BFM
"Driven: Kills CART Dead!"
Hell, even *Cars 2* is better than this Driven crap lmao 😂
What’s sad is that it’s true LOL
True
I don't get the hate for Cars 2
That movie was and is great
@@briangriffinfamilyguyfan81 I don’t mind Cars 2. Monsters University let me down more[especially since Monsters Inc was a favorite of mine as a kid] and Good Dinosaur sucked.
@UCAIdONwT9wVJCWyz6t2jSQg _Cars 2_ had a similar problem to _Driven_ but with a different genre.
_Cars 2_ was an attempt of a spy thriller disguised as a racing movie.
_Driven_ was a romance movie disguised as a racing movie.
Bad Seasons: Jeremy Mayfield 2002-2003
Bad Seasons: Ward Burton 2001-2002
Bad Seasons: Ward Burton 2004
Bad Seasons: John Andretti 2002-2003
Bad Seasons: John Andretti 2004
Bad Seasons: John Andretti 2007
Bad Seasons: John Andretti 2009
Bad Seasons: Ricky Craven 2001-2003
Bad Seasons: Robby Gordon 2005-2006
Bad Seasons: Robby Gordon 2009-2011
Bad Seasons: Chad Chaffin 2005 (Craftsman Truck Cup)
Bad Seasons: Kyle Petty 2001
Bad Seasons: Andy Houston 2001 (Winston Cup)
Bad Seasons: Dave Blaney 2001
Bad Seasons: Brian Vickers 2004-2005
Bad Seasons: Joe Nemechek 2003 (Winston Cup)
Bad Seasons: Elliott Sadler 2003
They were PROUD of the CGI BTW
This is Franchise Pictures, the auteurs behind Battlefield Earth, Ballistic Ecks vs Sever, 3000 Miles to Graceland, Half Past Dead, and on top of the crap cake A Sound of Thunder[which is an insult to Ray Bradbury].
For me it was bad. The worst one was the race in Montreal (I'm not sure which track it was supposed to be) but I think it's Roberto Moreno goes skyward and the car comes down into the water and just stops). The cap you see Stallone wearing is from Williams with it's cigarette sponser. I was at the Hungarian F1 race in 1996 and Stallone was in the grid walking around. I presume this was being done in preparation for the then F1 based movie.
@@simonkevnorris it was winfield, right? Williams team was sponsored by Winfield in '98. Sly was wearing a winfield cap at one scene where he came back to the paddock.
@@simonkevnorris and about cars being launched into the water, it actually from the finale at Detroit Belle Isle, but some parts of the Detroit race scene were filmed in Montreal circuit - that crash scene and Jimmy's visualisation when he remembered Joe Tanto's words of wisdom.
@@RazorSharp75426 Yes that is correct.
Actually: driven was the 2nd worst motorsports movie
what is #1?
@@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT A 1950's Belgium made film about the dangers of racing (bout 4 or 5 years before the Le Man's tragedy of 1955)
@@troygroomes104 how bad was it?
@@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT let's say it was so bad it was banned all over the world
@@troygroomes104 jeez
Kind of surprising that Sylvester Stallone and Burt Reynolds would actually agree to such an awful movie like this!!
Stallone was the one who wrote the script. So blame him.
This was the beginning of the end for CART.
Nice video covering an unfortunate chapter in CART Racing's checkered history. Also, Darian it was good to see you at IMS with David Land covering the "Spring Practice" IndyCar sessions. I must admit that the Cart Cars were really great looking. It's too bad that the current Formula for IndyCar isn't as cool looking as well, IMO only. Keep up the good work and I'm sure that your channel will continue to grow and prosper.
I saw driven in the theater, I regret nothing
Heck, journeyman IRL drivers were turning laps at 228 in race conditions there and their were no complaints! Not sure that 5 more miles per hour can be considered a tipping point for physiologic chaos...between the wreck at the US 500 and the Texas debacle, carts poor product was doomed a slow death.
Damn Daniel...
1:45
How dare you pan the GOAT of all racing flicks, the masterpiece of film, one might say 'the Citizen Kane' of the racetrack, Driven! :p
Best Racing Movies 1) LeMans 2) Rush, 3) Grand Prix 4) Greased Lightning, every other racing movie is garbage.
During the pre race tests the drivers were sandbagging and nobody knew the problems until PT did that crazy lap
I was a huge INDYCAR fan at the time and I couldn't wait for this movie to come out, BUT,. "DRIVEN" was the stinkiest piece of cheese I've ever seen! They should have made the movie about bicycle ice cream venders using the crash scenes, but with ice cream bikes, at least it would have been funny.
I was there that weekend with my dad. We saw the practice, and the qualifying on Saturday, and afterwards went to the garage to get Christian Fittipaldi's autograph. Right before the signings though, there was a team meeting, and that meeting ran pretty long. We stood out there for a minute waiting for them, and my dad even commented that "Something must be going on if they're taking this long." The funniest part of why I'm saying any of this is that we went to watch Driven right after that day at TMS. We talk about it every once in a while when we get to talking about good times when we were younger lol it was a good movie to watch that weekend though and got me more into racing. We brag that we were there when we saw the fastest lap at TMS, and they really were going fast af. Thanks for this video!
I was at the NTT Indy Car race at Texas this year. The cars only went a couple mph slower then these CART cars, and they were racing solid. Hell, Jimmy Johnson ran almost as fast! I know that Indy Car has been inching closer and closer to the CART design, but it seems drivers are getting more comfortable with the speed.
What do you all think about the cars getting close to the CART speeds.
4:05 That crash Remind me of Simon Pagenaud crash at mid-ohio
Fun fact: Sam Schmidt (Yes, THE Sam Schmidt who was a OG IRL driver before becoming paralyzed after a horse riding accident) became addicted to Reynolds' character and used it to motivate him to start his team again
Sam Schmidt was paralyzed in a testing accident, not a horse riding accident. The early IRL cars were terrible in rear impacts.....
Driven was so bad it hurt. Stick to cheesy one man army movies, Stallone.
Vin Diesel can do that better than Sly Stallone.
Just watch the first xXx and you'll see my point
@@RazorSharp75426 I did. It was...alright.
I like the PS1 Cart World Series soundtrack in this video.
If you get panned by movie critics, you know you messed up.
The sounds of that wreck alone are just absolutely wild.
That movie had two things going for it...Estella Warren.
I remember that weekend. I saw that movie ( the inside the helmet shots were the best) and was disappointed by the days of thunder crashes. I was looking forward to the race to compare speeds to between CART ,Indycar. and Nascar. Not a good weekend for CART.
Solid video, but I would add an * as worst non-fatal weekend. I understand that this might be the worst PR weekend, as death in motorsport usually results in safety upgrades, but not major dips in attention. However, IMO deaths always make a weekend worse than a bad PR weekend.
113.1 Gs lmao that's fucking insane
that cgi wheel going into the grandstands was in bad taste, especially given what happened in 1998
I'm just surprised no one makes a meme about Driven to make fun of that total mess of a racing film.
Especially on the scene where Sly pitched his Champ Car sideways on Toronto trying to pick 3 coins with left-rear tyre. That scene makes me laugh because Sly tries hard to be Fangio and DK Tsuchiya at the same time. That was totally cringeworthy scene, out of all cringeworthy scene from Driven.
Kinda wished to make a "Initial D Kansei Dorifto" meme with the Toronto scene
It’s so bad, there’s nothing meme-able
@@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT I kinda think there should be something memeable, look at some of the worst drivers like Mahaveer, Mazepin, people liked to meme them.
@@RazorSharp75426 thats because its *funny* watching garbage drivers fuck up.
Theres nothing *funny* in Driven, its just a pathetic embarrassment.
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