Taylor is somehow only getting MORE famous. I dont think anyone expected that to even be possible 5 years ago when she was already one of the biggest celebs in the world.
Back then Eminem told MGK he would never make a best hip hop list he can only make a list next to Iggy azalea and Taylor swift Turns out Mgk will never have a percentage of even Taylor's fame 😂
i dont think even she expected it. not enough people give her credit. is she an unapologetic capitalist who will bleed her fan base dry? yes. is she also a very savvy business woman and great song writer that has navigated her career very well and established and maintains her relationship with her listeners through relatability and strategic vulnerability? also yes
@@AllTheArtsy god i love ur comment sm. agree with every single word. its crazy how folklore/evermore completely changed the trajectory of her career. like i was scared how she would turn things around after lover but the sharp turn right into folk/indie really changed her songwriting approach which in turn changed her career overall for the better
She isnt more famous now, you couldnt escape Taylor Swift in the Red and 1989 Eras, i havent heard any of her newer music in clubs, playlists, or public places post Rep Era, only Swifties listen to Swift, shes the Female Chris Brown except Chris Brown is far more talented and taylor's not an abuser
I had a buddy at work known for shitting on The Cure, so i'd often sneak in Cure songs onto the playlists at work and ask his opinion, always a positive reaction
@@salt3685 Yeah, I feel like they'd recognise them lol. But you know I feel them, besides Boys Don't Cry which I only kinda like I don't vibe with much of their most popular songs according to Spotify. But they got some bangers in their catalogie
Back before poptismism won so hard we forgot what electric guitars do I was surrounded by music snobs who could shit on pop music for hours, the types who wouldn't get out of bed for anyone who had sold more than fifteen CDs they burned on their broken laptop. Lots of sexist vitriol about pop tarts and booty shaking, you know how it was. So I showed them this video of a scrappy but talented soulful singer-songwriter called Stefani Germanotta and they lost their fucking minds gushing over her. Still one of the best moments of my life.
I was in a rock bar in Nashville recently and the band decided to play "Our Song", a song almost old enough to vote, and most people there knew the lyrics. And that wasn't even one of her big hits
To be fair I think that's just a TN thing. We fucking love that song for some reason. Must be the vibes with the whole screen door and saying amen lines
On the first tswift argument, I think it's impossible to compare with Beatles and MJ. Simply because she's not posthumous or retired, we have no frame of reference on how big Tswift fandom will be for people who grew up never experiencing a Tswift release
@@mystic5663 yeah but she’s pretending that the Beatles are just as good as Michael Jackson. if you’re gonna be real they’re not that’s why I said that Taylor can be in the Beatles area. They both make the same generic pop music. Michael Jackson is just on a different level than any artist, including the Beatles
@@foreverantistudio To say michael jackson "is better than the beatles" is a matter of taste not objective fact as you present it. If you think that the beatles' work is merely generic pop akin to taylor swift's work i urge you to actually listen to them because to call them merely pop is not only wrong but exceedingly ignorant and clearly the kind of opinion posited by those that have only given their work a cursory appraisal. The beatles' early work can definitely be categorised as more pop-esque but as they grew and developed as a band into the mid and late 60's pop was only one of arguably hundreds of different genres they experimented with. They certainly experimented with more with different genre's than michael jackson ever did, and i say that as a fan of his.
Taylor Swift already has had staying power. She went big in like 2008 or 9 and she's STILL around. People who say she won't have staying power don't know that there are already young artists inspired by her in the industry now like Olivia Rodrigo.
I’m not a Taylor Swift fan at all, but to think she doesn’t have staying power is just patently false. Her first album came out almost 20 years ago and she’s only been getting more popular, without ever going on a hiatus. That’s a consistent track record and itself indicative of staying power. For an artist to be able to perform songs from 18 years ago AND their newest stuff and have fans get equally hyped for both is honestly quite rare.
@@E1ucidateNah that's literally cap. Swift sees K Dot as her favorite rapper and this is one of if not the biggest rap song ever made. We would get a Macklemore part 2 with her apologizing for winning the grammy instead of him.
@bigchilling420 (1) this song being big and Taylor apparently liking Kendrick are not going to make the American entertainment industry not...what it is. (2) Not like us is dissing the industry's main "guy" for over a decade. Plenty of execs you and I don't know are definitely hating rn (3) Taylor having a favorite rapper doesn't mean she actually likes or respects rappers in general
He’s not winning that shit they keeping is midjit ass in the urban category. Especially a song talking about pedo and a lot of Hollywood are that. Same way how Beyoncé ain’t gonna win in main category keep her ass in urban category
People forget Taylor Swift has already been releasing music for almost 20 years already. She's already a classic. The Beatles is an awful comparison too considering how much you get of "THE BEATLES SUCK 🤓" because of whatever biases people have against older music icons that people of a period hold deeply, if anything experiencing that only further cements that someone has the staying power.
The fact that artists can be as popular as Swift is these days is astonishing. There are many more artists now so it's much harder to rise to the top, plus trend durations are much shorter than they used to be.
Taylor Swift has already demonstrated staying power. Her first album release was 2006 and she has had increasing success for the last 18 years. She’s only 34 years old and might well be recording and performing 30+ years from now. And she has developed a cult-like following of young, dedicated followers. I think she will be influential for a long time.
Disagree. She is the paradigm of the inevitable capitalistic destruction of all art in pursuit of profits. Most of her music is a generic imitation of other, more stylized/original artists. Her success is manufactured.
My niece is gen alpha and she loves taylor swift. My brother is a millenial, he was the first person I knew to like her and he doesn't anymore 20 years on but his daughter does now. She will be popular for generations to come.
People forget that pop culture is what often becomes elevated and revered in future generations. People were having the same conversations about Madonna and The Beatles when they were in their prime. Taylor has cemented herself into icon status
Nah those times were different compared to today not possible wht currently happening and most todays kids don't know Beatles or Madonna even as millenium 90s kid I didn't knew them either until 2015 The technology the way moving forward it's hard to stay relevant ppl moving faster from one thing to next Beiber might reach on tht level i don't like him tho but swift i doubt
@@Gokusaiyan. Thats def true because five years from now, people called her irrelevant like Katy Perry when she released Lover and it didn't become the biggest album. Beatles, MJ, Prince etc were able to move past their commerciality and their music lived on. Madonna is remembered for advocating rights and bold style, Britney for the nostalgia. Taylor can be remembered for nostalgia but if she becomes consistent with her music like she did with her slightly older albums then she can live on through generations, just needs to take more risks but it'll cost her to loose her commercial appeal.
@@gia42472 I definitely agree she needs to take more risks again. I think she has enough of a great catalogue to make her last, especially with Folklore dropping that gave her a lot of critically claim/artistic credibility she didn’t have before. I think the success of folklore made her realize she wants to be a chart topper so she went back to pop and has just been churning everything out to be the biggest artist alive. This will damage her if she doesn’t get her head back on straight soon
@@Gokusaiyan.I'm kinda curious how you're defining "'90s kid." If you mean "born in the '90s," I can get how you wouldn't know Madonna. But if you mean "grew up in the '90s," she was completely ubiquitous, especially since "Ray of Light" was one of her biggest albums and her '80s stuff still got regular airplay. And "The Immaculate Collection" was one of THE main CDs everyone bought when getting their first CD player. No judgment meant, I'm just kinda fascinated if someone who grew up in that era missed out on her. :)
@@gia42472 lover is actually taylor most stable album on the charts and has suprassed other 2019 album (thank u next, wwafawdwg) its actually one of her biggest album now
I think she will. I remember how big she was when RED was released. Everybody was dressing like she did in the 22 video. And now she’s more famous than she previously was. She’s only going to get bigger. The newest album wasn’t as good as her previous ones but I’m sure she’ll make another one that’s more commercial. She has a very strong fan base too, that’s not going away lol
At the Eras Tour movie, here in a mid size town in Oregon, I ran into a pair of women in their late 60’s/ early 70’s who first saw Taylor live when she was a teenager. My friend and I, both in our 50’s, went loaded with friendship bracelets. It was so much fun. Every single night of her concerts generated more money for the town than the Super Bowl.(I don’t remember which one but they recently hosted the Super Bowl). Every night for 3 or 4 nights. I’m not sure how you can generate more staying power than that.
Tbh I think an awful lot of the "nobody will listen to Taylor Swift in 20 years" comments are just wishful thinking from people who hope they won't have to still hear these in 20 years. Tbh it's an impossible thing to predict, and there's no objective criteria for it. Whatever classic rock or pop song or musician you want to think of that everyone still knows now, when it was new there was definitely not a consensus that this would be music that would last through generations. I remember one of my dads friends telling me that he felt sick seeing the queues on an album release date for this shitty manufactured pop band called ABBA, but we all still know Dancing Queen and Mamma Mia. You really only need 4 or 5 songs to stick around to become one of those lasting acts. The reality is that Taylor Swift fans are going to have kids and probably play her music for them, and their kids are probably going to grow up with fond memories of Love Story, or We Are Never Getting Back Together too. Same as I grew up liking ABBA, or Madonna, or David Bowie, or Cat Stevens, or Queen, or whatever else stuff my parents liked to play when I was a kid. If it just comes down to you personally disliking the music, then that's a pretty bad yardstick for cultural staying power. You need to realise that there are literally millions of people who think it's amazing and will listen to it on repeat for years. Or put it another way, what artist or songs do you think are mid or just plain bad, but WILL have a lot of staying power and will be still getting played in 20 or 30 years by people who weren't there at the time?
That’s not the definition of staying power that the OP means. I agree that TS will kind of disappear from relevance within 10 years, with nobody listening after that.
Taylor has been writing songs about girlhood and womanhood that I'm sure girls in the future are still going to relate to, which is why girls of all ages listen to her music. People are saying her music isn't revolutionary for their sound, but her brilliance is in her lyrics. She's been a big name for nearly 20 years, and I'm sure she'll be remembered long after that. There's a reason people still listen to her old music to this day.
So we are asked to beleive that young people listening to her now will, in 20 or 30 years, ditch her to go listen to older things they aren't into now at all and find it more appealing? They will be the first generation for whom the music most cherished by them is NOT the music of their youth? This belief requires the complete inability to put oneself into historical context.
there was an interview with a black sabbath guy and musicians like that are talking about taking they're grand children to a taylor swift concert, it is what it is nowadays....
Context: During my teen years, when Taylor Swift was first gaining popularity, I was part of the "Taylor Swift is for girls, cringe" camp (I'm a straight cis male, I'm like 14 at this point) and I automatically assumed that her music was garbage because of how popular it was. This changed in 2020, when "Welcome to New York" just queued up on my Spotify without me knowing and having just moved countries at the time, that song really connected with me. That's when I became a fan of hers, and in a rare instance, I became a fan of hers organically through her music. With that out of the way, I'm very conflicted about being a Swiftie. On the one hand, a lot of her music really resonates with me at a personal level. On the other, I don't think she's immortal or bulletproof. I did not like Midnights. I did not like Tortured Poets Department. The way she released multiple version of an album or song just to put out another vinyl or get more streams feels unnecessary and manipulative of her audience. Yet I think that albums like Red, 1989 and Speak Now will be played decades from now. It just feels like conversation around Taylor Swift at the moment is just about identity politics more than anything. There are the extreme fans of hers who will defend a billionaire while claiming to support all these righteous causes. There is a section of society who views anyone who likes Taylor Swift's music as lame or dumb or in some cases, corporate capitalist fascists. Can't it just be that music is subjective? Her music is more influential than almost anyone else and that makes it a different conversation, of course, but I don't really think this conversation is about music anymore. It feels like we're past "if you like it, listen to it and if you don't, don't" and that just feels wrong to me.
Eddy Vedder sounds very weird on some tracks where it is not apparent if the band wants the lyrics to be heard. There is something truly exceptional about Taylor. Last year I respected her, but didn't listen. This year, I would gladly march into battle for her.
@@samsprague2846ain’t no way you used an MLK quote to describe being a swiftie, that’s just wrong. Also the people who criticize Taylor swift are no “jealous” that’s just trying to downplay legitimate criticisms people may have because you disagree with them
I loved the part of this video where melon expresses his deepest love for Taylor swift, and admitting he will listen to her as he ages in his mid 60s❤️
I wasn't interested in Taylor Swift until the Eras tour videos, started showing up, on YT. She started pulling me in, like a rip current,as I found out about " folklore" and " evermore". The Taylor vortex has taken over;( but, I still like Van Halen and Anthrax).💛
Haven't watched the full video yet but Swifts debut came out almost 20 years ago. Since then she's only been getting bigger. Most acts seem to hit their peak within 5 years of their debut.
No. She peaked about ten years ago, but she started young. Our decaying society focuses culture backwards into remakes and redos for horrifying dystopian capitalistic reasons. She has managed to ride the nostalgia wave sooner and longer than some others. Most of her success is manufactured though. She is cynical enough to be the perfect avatar of the modern capitalist nightmare.
@@kdc3065 Lol, your statement doesn't even make sense regarding the original comment you're responding to. Her most streamed song on Spotify is Cruel Summer which came out 5 years ago, 13 years after her debut. She's more than proven her staying power.
“Doesn’t have Staying Power.” She’s been around since 2006 and is bigger than ever almost 20 years later. That alone is staying power. There are artists who disappear from relevancy as quickly as they’re introduced. Taylor Swift is not a “new” sensation. She’s been famous for over 10 years. And the fact that she hasn’t faded already is a sign of some kind of staying power.
@@ECKohns , no one will care about Taylor Swift in 30 years. People still care about Madonna, Michael Jackson, Britney Spears, etc. after more than 30 years.
Dawg I learned about Taylor Swift in class when I was in 1st grade 18 YEARS ago. She’s had staying power and is somehow only getting more and more famous
She’s way overexposed right now. But knowing her, this could be a whole part of the performance? I’ve been a fan of hers for 18 years and I’ve never seen anything like what is currently going on and it’s so offputting. I still do, and will always love her music. I think she has staying power though! 18 years in.
She is gonna have even more power in some months, the fact that she is this big and massive and collecting douche bag haters and stuff and people are starting to turn on her for her amount of success will only make her release of reputation later this year even more iconic, she is already inescapable but people hating her and bringing her name into everything are just unkwnowingly preparing the ground for her to launch her biggest re recording ever it’s so sick yet entertaining to watch it unfold
@@PhillyDove older audience and by old I mean above 40 is not listening to billie eilish katy perry taylor swift or any mainstream rappers today The old white demog is listening to rock metal or have stopped consuming music while the old black ones are listening to soul r&b from 70s or 90s hip hop music or likewise have stopped.
Anyone who makes the statement that Taylor Swift "has no staying power" as an artist is on the most powerful copium known to mankind. She's been a huge star for the better part of 20 years and she's bigger than ever now.
The gift for a music fan is a tough one... -If the person bought me an album that was the WORST in an artist's catalog, BUT it was from an artist I like then I'd be happy. Why? Well, the person buying the album for me at least knew I enjoyed that particular artist even if they didn't know the album that bought me was trash. Key example of 'it's the thought that counts!' -Buying a shirt in the wrong size is only frustrating if the shirt has a dope color/design but it doesn't fit. Although, it is flattering if the person guesses my shirt size is 1 or 2 sizes smaller than I actually am 😂
While thats the argument that her haters love putting on i couldn’t disagree more idk if they have been living under a giant rock cuz people think its a trend for now when shes been famous for now 18 years and anytime u think this is it thats how much one can peak she comes back stronger as for future by this time around Taylor has already catered not to one but now two different generations if Taylor might lose audience is if she fails to make good quality music but still she has plenty of records that people will go back for nostalgia
Taylor has already proven that she has staying power. I’ve been listening to her since high school and now I’m nearly 30, married and have a kid like… she’s already proven her staying power
I don’t think people understand that even outside of the US (I’m from Malaysia btw) there’s tons of people who are & aren’t Swifties that listens to her songs ON A DAILY BASIS. All of her songs (TTPD included) are played literally EVERYWHERE. She’s been doing this for 10+ years & I believe that she’ll only become bigger & consistently stay that way
It's been 15 years since Kanye interrupted Taylor Swift at the VMAs. In that time her popularity somehow increased - in most music careers since the 60's a singer or group will have been discovered, peaked, and transitioned to touring on nostalgia in that time frame. She has switched genres successfully and only gained more fans.
@@brentoncarter4275 I think you'll find yours is the stupid comment my friend! As was discussed in the video, older fans are solidified and are a dead cert to keep listening to her even if mainly for nostalgia reasons. The question then would be if younger generations would carry the swift torch too, which evidently they will. I don't like her music at all, but thinking it's ever going away is foolish
yea my mom is almost 60 and she *freaked out* when duran duran came around for a single show a few years back. her and all her friends went. i hated the music but that’s her taylor swift so i dealt with it. i think swifties will be the same. their kids might not get it and she’ll be more “old person music”. or she will be like the fleetwood mac’s of the world and all the kids will love her too. either way, people will not just magically *forget* about her. she will probably still be selling oogles of records even after she’s gone. i bet kids today will be playing her record in retirement homes 80 years from now 😂😂
Taylor’s first single was released in 2006…name another artist who was 18 years into their career and has an album currently spending its 11th straight week at no.1?
Olivia Rodrigo the biggest future star was a Swiftie and influenced by Taylor. Sabrina Carpenter, biggest star of 2024 , also swiftie and influenced by Taylor. Taylor has already influenced the next generation of popstars and she will be remembered and her career will be studied for years.Of course she is at peak and she will start declining, thats normal after 18 years, but she will be remembered!
@@Keithjames153 unless she's able to change up her sound idk if she will last. Her 3rd album was just a bunch of the same and has had little to no impact.
@@jchamp00 With all due respect I think you might be a little disconnected from the zeitgeist… and im suspicious as to if you’ve actually listened to her most recent album🤨 because it’s WILDLY different from anything she’s ever made, vocally, production wise and song composition wise. The first thing people noticed when her album came out was how different it was from her other projects. Her most recent album had by faaaaar and away the biggest debut of any album she’s ever released (72mil streams compared to her previous high of 45mil) and shes sold about 20k more copies her opening week than her debut album. And was also the biggest album debut of any artist born past 2000 (Olivia had the previous record at 60mil) AND received the most critical acclaim of any album she’s ever made (it got a metacritic score of 89) … As it stands today her single Birds Of A Feather is ranked #1 in the world (2 months after it was released) and she has recently PEAKED on Spotify with the 2nd most monthly listeners of any artist. (much to the credit of her new album) and has the most monthly listeners of any female artist (yes even more than Taylor). Just THIS WEEK she reached her ALL TIME peak in monthly listeners with 104,000,000… Just for comparison Olivia Rodrigo’s all time peak is 64,000,000 (not trying to shit on her, I just think it’s a good comp to help paint the picture) Her album has been probably the most well received album of the year from a mainstream artist this year and from the conversations I’ve had with music fans people consider it to be her best work… I personally think she’s really cemented herself this year. ***dnt ask why I know all of these numbers 😂***
Music is about escapism and most people turn towards the familiar sounds that they grew up on, that take them to a comforting place. So yea, ofcourse people are gonna be bumpin Swift well into their geriatric diaper days.
Taylor's career longevity is insane, almost 20 years in the music industry still has a rapidly growing fanbase, that's a mastermind power indeed, but she's getting irrelevant and hateable lately with that capitalism crap, second rate pop songs and overexposure to everything. Despite all of those, her magnanimity is unmatched.
I'd argue Paul McCartney has the longest career by far, he had 2 successful bands from the 60s and 70s and a successful solo career in the 80s, and even recently with all the Beatles and his Wings album remixes he's still somewhat in the limelight, even funnier is that he's more subtle about the capitalism than Swift lol
She's peaking almost 2 decades into her career, she displayed her staying power several years ago and is now in the process of running victory laps around other artists while at the top of the charts
Taylor has already passed the test of time. I remember circa 2008 driving around with my then GF and she was obsessed with Fearless and we were going places blasting Love Story and You Belong With Me. Haven’t spoken to her since we split in 2009, but I’d bet dollars to donuts she’s still a fan. I got sold on her with Folklore and Evermore and grew to like the older stuff (including Fearless) and it hit me when I went to the Eras tour here and she was doing the old stuff and thinking back to that ex. If we’d had a kid they’d be one of the high schoolers in that crowd. We aren’t even 40 yet, and she’s been a huge deal so long that fans that were 20 when she hit it big are producing the next generation of fans, and it’s hard to imagine today’s college aged girls having kids won’t be seeing Taylor with their kids when they’re 15.
I mean you can see footage of her crowds or just people going to the shows if she's playing in your city. My wife is an OG fan and I took her to see the movie version for her birthday last year because she couldn't get tickets to the show, and like 30% of the audience were girls under 12 years old who were going wild for it, including the stuff that was released before they were even born. You see stuff like that and it's very hard to imagine that she's never going to appeal to anyone who wasn't there when she was at her peak fame.
@@krombopulos_michaelI think what draws young fans to her is that there's rarely aongs out there that are about the authentic teenage experience, it's rare for a teenager to be writing their own songs and making it big, her earlier songs are really magical and sweet to listen to, and when you listen back when you're older it doesn't feel cringe at all, unlike songs written for teenagers by adults which can end up aging awfully
She is multigenerational. My mom showed me her when I was 16. Then I grew up with Taylor.'s music....Now my kids LOVE Taylor whilst my mom and I STILL enjoy her like we were their age still.. I am not sure how you could secure more "staying power" than that? Her first album debut in 2006. It's 2024 and she is 34 years old with the highest grossing tour of all time. Never has happened and probably won't again. I am not sure what the argument is at this point...how are people still denying her talent (I dont care if you like her music/talent or you think she deserves success-its literally irrelevant). I think part of the problem might be that people don't know her like before she was "mega famous" or even after the reputation era happened. She comes across now like this machine, but if you knew her before OR take the time to figure her out you would know how insanely untrue that is. For example, for every album release she invited fans to her homes in different cities. Home baked them cookies with her family and surprised them with an album listening party, took pictures with all of them, and made genuine connections. She did that all the way up until the fans ruined that/pandemic. She has done things like this since 2007...She has done so much with her community over the years, even when she had to pull away from that, the north remembers. I can totally see how if you don't get it, or you weren't around then its probably very annoying...although I often ask myself if people are so annoyed by Taylor Swift why do they keep engaging or creating content around her ( like this video and all the daily hate tweets about her that go viral, etc)?? $$$$$$$$$$$
If you're not dropping new Lets Argues once a month anymore you no longer can call yourself the internet's busiest music nerd :( the title has been given to Brad
Look, I understand both sides of the discourse surrounding Taylor Swift - Swifties are immensely rabid about pretty much anything surrounding her, they can be really annoying, and they often seem to lack historical and cultural perspective and context especially when it comes to music. Also, Swift herself does not seem to truly give a fuck about the environment, and she can come off as someone who is in an immense position of power and still playing the victim, AND I EVEN AGREE that some of her latest albums are simply not that exciting apart from a select few songs. HOWEVER. In May of this year I went to Stockholm to see Swift in concert. I've been a Swiftie for a decade now, but realistically I'm not the typical Swiftie - I'm just a straight, 24-year old dude. Still love her music. What I encountered on that trip was something that simply could not be brushed away by deeming it a "fad" or "the trend of the moment". The community that has formed around Swift's music is simply incredible, I don't know how else to put it. There's a level of participation by the fans that will create moments that mean Swift's music will be played decades from now. She herself will eventually fade out from the limelight, but the memories her fans create with her music will stay, and they will be lived again and again by the fans by listening to her music. I was sitting in the arena and in the seat row in front of me were 2 girls who were at most like 13 or 14, likely even a bit younger. They literally danced for like 90% of the songs (mind you, the show lasts about 3 FUCKING HOURS), and they sang their hearts out, even got each other water when they needed it just so they could keep living in the moment, and frankly the whole scene looked like something out of a movie. These 2 kids just... it genuinely looked like they were experiencing the very best day of their lives right in front of me, and I truly don't think it's possible to discount that as merely a fad. As a whole, the atmosphere in the arena just felt... amazing. People were exchanging bracelets, complimenting each other's outfits, taking group selfies with basically total strangers, just having a great time. I mean even the damn hotel that I stayed in played Swift FOR THE WHOLE TIME I was there! Every single time I was in the lobby or getting breakfast, Swift was playing through the speakers and that to me speaks of a phenomenon that has created such a strong community of fans that the music will be played decades from now. No artist stays on the charts forever, but music does have the ability to stay in a person's memories for their whole lifetime.
I'm not a swiftie and haven't seen her live, but my wife is and even just from taking her to see the Eras movie last year I felt the same thing. I've rarely seen actual concerts with crowds that wild. And so many of the fans were little kids who couldn't have even been around when half of the songs were being released. You see something like that and it's very hard to see that this is just going to fade away or be one of those things with extremely broad but shallow appeal
Let's name female artists that male critics say don't have staying power: Cher Madonna Mariah Carey Dolly Parton Taylor Swift Katy Perry Miley Cyrus Insert all other female artists who have any fame. Let's list all male artists that male critics say don't have staying power: Maroon 5.
Uh I am a metal head like TO THE CORE. But come on. Taylor has been one of the most popular artists since like 2006 and her popularity and accolades have only grown. The idea that people, regardless of whether you enjoy her music or not, are still claiming or arguing about her "staying power" are just being ridiculous. Again, you dont have to enjoy her or her music. But if you are still calling her a "flavor of the month" youre letting your personal music taste dictate your intelligence level. Shes talented, a great business woman and artist. And shes made music history a thousand times over at this point, to the point where her place in music history as one of the top artists of our generation is already cemented in. Shes up there with Elton John, Elvis ect ect ect. She could quit making music tomorrow and disappear forever and that would still be the case.
I may have mixed feelings about Taylor, but I won't deny that she has some fucking BANGERS! "Wildest Dreams", "Love Story", "22" are some songs that I can bump to.
@@zairnermuller4960 Swifities are mentally ill and scourge the Internet for any mention of her name so they can express their disgusting obsession of course they didn't watch the video
Video posted 27 Seconds ago. Knowing the average rabid Swifty, Melon has about 3 more minutes before he has to move. EDIT: Guys, this is my most liked comment, am I in danger?
I wouldn't be surprised if Taylor Swift believes she doesn't have staying power. It would explain why she'd so eager to be top of the streaming charts when she's probably on that Beyonce level where she doesn't even need them.
Some of us in our 50s are using Taylor’s early work to process traumas from our teens and 20s. We listen and realize buried hurt from our past. I think she did a lot of that herself during her re-record process and perhaps inspired some of the TTPD…so much Red in it.
@@bp717 I see. This is going to shock you but I’ve never listened to her. I am autistic and until recently didn’t listen to music at all until 2 years ago. Now I am going to give her a listen when I wake up a little more!
Nothing worse than receiving a bad album from a good artist: I received Sufjan Steven's "Enjoy Your Rabbit" on vinyl, omg, it was atrocious and grating. I was so excited to listen to it, assuming it was gonna be great like his other work. I wanted to stab my ears lol.
To each their own. They’re definitely mellower than her usual pop material, but the understated production and cathartic songwriting are what really make them stand out for me
Why does everyone talk like the only people who don’t hate Taylor Swifts music are swifties? A lot of people will hear a Taylor Swift song on the radio and passively enjoy it, with out thinking much about it after that. She’s still a pop artists, it’s appealing to the general public’s ears
I don’t appreciate what Taylor has been doing recently, but Speak Now and 1989 are core parts of my memory and personhood. Absolutely despise what she’s doing currently with the industry, but those albums my dude. Phenomenal.
I remember first listening to her music in seventh grade, and now I’m old enough that my best friend has a seventh grader who became a huge swiftie during the eras tour. It’s been really cool to watch the same artist cycle through multiple generations effectively enough that we can have a shared cultural touchstone.
I think Taylor Swift’s long term staying power might be constrained by the fact that her demographic is so strictly geared towards white women and the music reflects that. I think it might put a bit of a boundary on how widespread her music is for the general public decades from now. Old pop legends like MJ or Beatles had incredible widespread appeal pushing musical boundaries which helps contribute to their still strong appeal even decades later EDIT: Oh god, enter the replies at your own peril
Im a 20 year old asian male and I like some taylor swift. Sure, swifties are mainly white woman, but her music is not only enjoyed by her most devout fans. I don’t listen to michael jackson or the beatles every day. I don’t listen to taylor swift every day. I still appreciate both.
Yeah even with all her immense fame I still don't feel comfortable when I think about her name appearing next to the likes of MJ, The Beatles, Elvis and/or Queen. She could very well prove me wrong, and I wouldn't be that surprised given her current numbers, but it probably won't ever feel right.
I was literally saying this exact thing in my head lol.. Taylor has a very SPECIFIC person she appeals to and it so happens to be that her demographic (youngish white women) make up the largest segment of mainstream music listeners but still it oddly feels like she’s a niche artist (despite the size of her fanbase). I feel like when our kids ask us how crazy Taylor Mania was back in our day many of us won’t be able to give a satisfying answer because we only heard about her through proxy. She hasn’t really played much of a role in a lot of people music listening journey. And in contrast MJ and the Beatles defined the ethos of a decade to where it was hard to be alive during that time period and not have been impacted in some way.
I dunno, man - I'm from Japan and there are a lot of Swifties here (at least from what I've seen). I believe she sold out her Tokyo Dome show during her Eras Tour, as well.
U must be absolutely oblivious how insanely popular Taylor is in Asia, especially in countries like Indonesia Philippines. Actually probably every country on Asia has huge swifties fanbases
3:29 I actually got my friend an extremely oversized Arctic Monkeys shirt for Christmas because he’s a big fan but doesn’t like their newest album, and it was the only merch on their site that didn’t have the name of that album on it
THIS WOMAN knows EXACTLY how to reinvent herself and besides, the fact that cruel summer a song from her lover album went to number 1 last year says ALOT, even with her Taylor's version went to number 1, she's literally competing with HERSELF on the charts....Never underestimate taylor
She’s competing with herself because she intentionally games the charts (and prevents other artists from the number one) by releasing three or four different versions of the same song. Because she’s greedy.
At this point, I'm just tired of hearing about Taylor. She was already huge in the 2010s, but at this point, she's completely unavoidable -- offline or online. And it doesn't help that her last few albums have been mid as hell... she's at a point where she's too big to try anymore (musically speaking)
@@HYBRIDZHQIncluding dating questionably young people. Dating a 17yr old while your 22 is pretty questionable to me, not to mention her fame and power over said 17yr old
bold of you to assume swifties wouldn’t go into debt for her
I thought one direction fans were bad back in the days 😂
@@BrandonAyong I honestly thought no one would beat KPOP stans or directioners
@@YourFriendlyNeighborhoodTaxColThat one D fanbase was taking over a decade ago man I thought no one will have a fanbase that dedicated again
@@YourFriendlyNeighborhoodTaxColBTS fans, 1D fans, and Swifties are like the big three of batshit crazy stans 😭
@@cosas_de_gatos dont forget the barbz
Taylor is somehow only getting MORE famous. I dont think anyone expected that to even be possible 5 years ago when she was already one of the biggest celebs in the world.
Back then Eminem told MGK he would never make a best hip hop list he can only make a list next to Iggy azalea and Taylor swift
Turns out Mgk will never have a percentage of even Taylor's fame 😂
i dont think even she expected it. not enough people give her credit. is she an unapologetic capitalist who will bleed her fan base dry? yes. is she also a very savvy business woman and great song writer that has navigated her career very well and established and maintains her relationship with her listeners through relatability and strategic vulnerability? also yes
Sad thing is unlike Madonna and Kylie Minogue, she's getting WORSE.
@@AllTheArtsy god i love ur comment sm. agree with every single word. its crazy how folklore/evermore completely changed the trajectory of her career. like i was scared how she would turn things around after lover but the sharp turn right into folk/indie really changed her songwriting approach which in turn changed her career overall for the better
She isnt more famous now, you couldnt escape Taylor Swift in the Red and 1989 Eras, i havent heard any of her newer music in clubs, playlists, or public places post Rep Era, only Swifties listen to Swift, shes the Female Chris Brown except Chris Brown is far more talented and taylor's not an abuser
I had a buddy at work known for shitting on The Cure, so i'd often sneak in Cure songs onto the playlists at work and ask his opinion, always a positive reaction
Bro how does he even shit on The Cure if he can't even recognize Robert Smith's voice
@@cowboyw520 play the stuff that don't get radio play
@@Kino_the_Crusty i feel like his voice is still pretty distinct though lol
@@salt3685 Yeah, I feel like they'd recognise them lol. But you know I feel them, besides Boys Don't Cry which I only kinda like I don't vibe with much of their most popular songs according to Spotify. But they got some bangers in their catalogie
Back before poptismism won so hard we forgot what electric guitars do I was surrounded by music snobs who could shit on pop music for hours, the types who wouldn't get out of bed for anyone who had sold more than fifteen CDs they burned on their broken laptop. Lots of sexist vitriol about pop tarts and booty shaking, you know how it was. So I showed them this video of a scrappy but talented soulful singer-songwriter called Stefani Germanotta and they lost their fucking minds gushing over her. Still one of the best moments of my life.
Metal elitists and swifties are fighting a gladiatorial death match to determine who is more obnoxious.
Their per capita obnoxiousness is probably pretty similar, but there are way more Swifties than metal elitists in 2024 so I'd give it to the Swifties.
Also some metal elitists actually have good music tatse (which is subjective)@@Evan_Schaefering
They will never beat the barbz
Is there even any good metal anymore? Put me on cus it all sounds generic now
Carti fans still reign supreme
I was in a rock bar in Nashville recently and the band decided to play "Our Song", a song almost old enough to vote, and most people there knew the lyrics. And that wasn't even one of her big hits
@@exactemphasis, are you sure you were in a rock bar? Also, imagine considering such an infantile song to be good. 🤣🤣
To be fair I think that's just a TN thing. We fucking love that song for some reason. Must be the vibes with the whole screen door and saying amen lines
@@SamBrockmannhomie they didn’t mention it being good or not, just that people recognize even her less commercially successful songs widely
@@sydneyprather8668 , sure, buddy.
@@SamBrockmannyou seem bitter, hope you lighten up a little
On the first tswift argument, I think it's impossible to compare with Beatles and MJ. Simply because she's not posthumous or retired, we have no frame of reference on how big Tswift fandom will be for people who grew up never experiencing a Tswift release
You could be compared to the Beatles, but not Michael Jackson no artist, but Beyoncé can be compared to Michael Jackson. Hate when you folks do this.😂
@@foreverantistudio she agreed with you...
@@mystic5663 yeah but she’s pretending that the Beatles are just as good as Michael Jackson. if you’re gonna be real they’re not that’s why I said that Taylor can be in the Beatles area. They both make the same generic pop music. Michael Jackson is just on a different level than any artist, including the Beatles
@@foreverantistudioMJ has a lot of mid songs and he diddled children. Stop defending him so hard.
@@foreverantistudio To say michael jackson "is better than the beatles" is a matter of taste not objective fact as you present it. If you think that the beatles' work is merely generic pop akin to taylor swift's work i urge you to actually listen to them because to call them merely pop is not only wrong but exceedingly ignorant and clearly the kind of opinion posited by those that have only given their work a cursory appraisal. The beatles' early work can definitely be categorised as more pop-esque but as they grew and developed as a band into the mid and late 60's pop was only one of arguably hundreds of different genres they experimented with. They certainly experimented with more with different genre's than michael jackson ever did, and i say that as a fan of his.
That Cure take is nuts😭, "when he sounds like that" you mean his iconic voice???
it’s a lil gay and british but it’s good
I think Americans are just so used to hearing American accents that anything else freaks them out
@@camannwordsmith that’s what I say to them! It’s ok to experience other cultures! It won’t kill you.
@@camannwordsmithwoah
Taylor Swift already has had staying power. She went big in like 2008 or 9 and she's STILL around. People who say she won't have staying power don't know that there are already young artists inspired by her in the industry now like Olivia Rodrigo.
I’m not a Taylor Swift fan at all, but to think she doesn’t have staying power is just patently false. Her first album came out almost 20 years ago and she’s only been getting more popular, without ever going on a hiatus. That’s a consistent track record and itself indicative of staying power. For an artist to be able to perform songs from 18 years ago AND their newest stuff and have fans get equally hyped for both is honestly quite rare.
I had to explain to my mom and sister why Kendrick was way more likely to win song of the year with Not Like Us and it left them genuinely baffled
Because he isn't. Taylor's dad is a record executive and the Grammys would be loathe to recognize/credit hip hop over a white female popstar
@@E1ucidateNah that's literally cap. Swift sees K Dot as her favorite rapper and this is one of if not the biggest rap song ever made.
We would get a Macklemore part 2 with her apologizing for winning the grammy instead of him.
@bigchilling420 (1) this song being big and Taylor apparently liking Kendrick are not going to make the American entertainment industry not...what it is.
(2) Not like us is dissing the industry's main "guy" for over a decade. Plenty of execs you and I don't know are definitely hating rn
(3) Taylor having a favorite rapper doesn't mean she actually likes or respects rappers in general
He’s not winning that shit they keeping is midjit ass in the urban category. Especially a song talking about pedo and a lot of Hollywood are that. Same way how Beyoncé ain’t gonna win in main category keep her ass in urban category
Kendrick losing song of the year would just be another in his long list of snubs
People forget Taylor Swift has already been releasing music for almost 20 years already. She's already a classic. The Beatles is an awful comparison too considering how much you get of "THE BEATLES SUCK 🤓" because of whatever biases people have against older music icons that people of a period hold deeply, if anything experiencing that only further cements that someone has the staying power.
"He's bald, he's bald and he's torturing people who have hair"
Not a TS fan but she has been here for almost 20 years and is still going strong she's definitely here to stay
The fact that artists can be as popular as Swift is these days is astonishing. There are many more artists now so it's much harder to rise to the top, plus trend durations are much shorter than they used to be.
It goes to show how quickly the music industry found a way to dominate the internet
@@soaribb32Quickly? It's been 33 years
Being the biggest artist in the world at just 18 years old of her career is mind-blowing and unprecedented.
Taylor Swift has already demonstrated staying power. Her first album release was 2006 and she has had increasing success for the last 18 years. She’s only 34 years old and might well be recording and performing 30+ years from now. And she has developed a cult-like following of young, dedicated followers. I think she will be influential for a long time.
Disagree. She is the paradigm of the inevitable capitalistic destruction of all art in pursuit of profits. Most of her music is a generic imitation of other, more stylized/original artists. Her success is manufactured.
My niece is gen alpha and she loves taylor swift. My brother is a millenial, he was the first person I knew to like her and he doesn't anymore 20 years on but his daughter does now. She will be popular for generations to come.
People forget that pop culture is what often becomes elevated and revered in future generations. People were having the same conversations about Madonna and The Beatles when they were in their prime. Taylor has cemented herself into icon status
Nah those times were different compared to today not possible wht currently happening and most todays kids don't know Beatles or Madonna even as millenium 90s kid I didn't knew them either until 2015
The technology the way moving forward it's hard to stay relevant ppl moving faster from one thing to next Beiber might reach on tht level i don't like him tho but swift i doubt
@@Gokusaiyan. Thats def true because five years from now, people called her irrelevant like Katy Perry when she released Lover and it didn't become the biggest album. Beatles, MJ, Prince etc were able to move past their commerciality and their music lived on. Madonna is remembered for advocating rights and bold style, Britney for the nostalgia. Taylor can be remembered for nostalgia but if she becomes consistent with her music like she did with her slightly older albums then she can live on through generations, just needs to take more risks but it'll cost her to loose her commercial appeal.
@@gia42472 I definitely agree she needs to take more risks again. I think she has enough of a great catalogue to make her last, especially with Folklore dropping that gave her a lot of critically claim/artistic credibility she didn’t have before. I think the success of folklore made her realize she wants to be a chart topper so she went back to pop and has just been churning everything out to be the biggest artist alive. This will damage her if she doesn’t get her head back on straight soon
@@Gokusaiyan.I'm kinda curious how you're defining "'90s kid." If you mean "born in the '90s," I can get how you wouldn't know Madonna. But if you mean "grew up in the '90s," she was completely ubiquitous, especially since "Ray of Light" was one of her biggest albums and her '80s stuff still got regular airplay. And "The Immaculate Collection" was one of THE main CDs everyone bought when getting their first CD player.
No judgment meant, I'm just kinda fascinated if someone who grew up in that era missed out on her. :)
@@gia42472 lover is actually taylor most stable album on the charts and has suprassed other 2019 album (thank u next, wwafawdwg) its actually one of her biggest album now
I think she will. I remember how big she was when RED was released. Everybody was dressing like she did in the 22 video. And now she’s more famous than she previously was. She’s only going to get bigger. The newest album wasn’t as good as her previous ones but I’m sure she’ll make another one that’s more commercial. She has a very strong fan base too, that’s not going away lol
At the Eras Tour movie, here in a mid size town in Oregon, I ran into a pair of women in their late 60’s/ early 70’s who first saw Taylor live when she was a teenager. My friend and I, both in our 50’s, went loaded with friendship bracelets. It was so much fun.
Every single night of her concerts generated more money for the town than the Super Bowl.(I don’t remember which one but they recently hosted the Super Bowl). Every night for 3 or 4 nights. I’m not sure how you can generate more staying power than that.
Tbh I think an awful lot of the "nobody will listen to Taylor Swift in 20 years" comments are just wishful thinking from people who hope they won't have to still hear these in 20 years.
Tbh it's an impossible thing to predict, and there's no objective criteria for it. Whatever classic rock or pop song or musician you want to think of that everyone still knows now, when it was new there was definitely not a consensus that this would be music that would last through generations. I remember one of my dads friends telling me that he felt sick seeing the queues on an album release date for this shitty manufactured pop band called ABBA, but we all still know Dancing Queen and Mamma Mia. You really only need 4 or 5 songs to stick around to become one of those lasting acts.
The reality is that Taylor Swift fans are going to have kids and probably play her music for them, and their kids are probably going to grow up with fond memories of Love Story, or We Are Never Getting Back Together too. Same as I grew up liking ABBA, or Madonna, or David Bowie, or Cat Stevens, or Queen, or whatever else stuff my parents liked to play when I was a kid.
If it just comes down to you personally disliking the music, then that's a pretty bad yardstick for cultural staying power. You need to realise that there are literally millions of people who think it's amazing and will listen to it on repeat for years. Or put it another way, what artist or songs do you think are mid or just plain bad, but WILL have a lot of staying power and will be still getting played in 20 or 30 years by people who weren't there at the time?
She’s hitting the peak of her fame 18 years into her career. Nobody without staying power lasts that long.
@@mutantsong , she'll just go downhill from here. Other than idiots, no one will be listening to Taytay in 30 years.
That’s not the definition of staying power that the OP means. I agree that TS will kind of disappear from relevance within 10 years, with nobody listening after that.
@@happymaskedguy1943 , bingo.
@@happymaskedguy1943 I guess time will tell.
@@happymaskedguy1943that’s crazy. Did Fleetwood Mac disappear?
Taylor has been writing songs about girlhood and womanhood that I'm sure girls in the future are still going to relate to, which is why girls of all ages listen to her music. People are saying her music isn't revolutionary for their sound, but her brilliance is in her lyrics. She's been a big name for nearly 20 years, and I'm sure she'll be remembered long after that. There's a reason people still listen to her old music to this day.
@@delfi__arts , here's the reality: no one will even remember her infantile lyrics in 30 years. Society tends to outgrow such nonsense.
Infantile 😂 okay, man.
@@delfi__arts , I know. Words are hard for Swift fans. Go look that one up in the dictionary.
@@SamBrockmann incel alert
@@MS-di1rw , I have 3 daughters and a wife. Try again. I am against misandry. Taylor Swift epitomizes misandry. Quit being a f***wit.
So we are asked to beleive that young people listening to her now will, in 20 or 30 years, ditch her to go listen to older things they aren't into now at all and find it more appealing? They will be the first generation for whom the music most cherished by them is NOT the music of their youth?
This belief requires the complete inability to put oneself into historical context.
there was an interview with a black sabbath guy and musicians like that are talking about taking they're grand children to a taylor swift concert, it is what it is nowadays....
Context: During my teen years, when Taylor Swift was first gaining popularity, I was part of the "Taylor Swift is for girls, cringe" camp (I'm a straight cis male, I'm like 14 at this point) and I automatically assumed that her music was garbage because of how popular it was. This changed in 2020, when "Welcome to New York" just queued up on my Spotify without me knowing and having just moved countries at the time, that song really connected with me. That's when I became a fan of hers, and in a rare instance, I became a fan of hers organically through her music.
With that out of the way, I'm very conflicted about being a Swiftie. On the one hand, a lot of her music really resonates with me at a personal level. On the other, I don't think she's immortal or bulletproof. I did not like Midnights. I did not like Tortured Poets Department. The way she released multiple version of an album or song just to put out another vinyl or get more streams feels unnecessary and manipulative of her audience. Yet I think that albums like Red, 1989 and Speak Now will be played decades from now. It just feels like conversation around Taylor Swift at the moment is just about identity politics more than anything. There are the extreme fans of hers who will defend a billionaire while claiming to support all these righteous causes. There is a section of society who views anyone who likes Taylor Swift's music as lame or dumb or in some cases, corporate capitalist fascists. Can't it just be that music is subjective? Her music is more influential than almost anyone else and that makes it a different conversation, of course, but I don't really think this conversation is about music anymore. It feels like we're past "if you like it, listen to it and if you don't, don't" and that just feels wrong to me.
Eddy Vedder sounds very weird on some tracks where it is not apparent if the band wants the lyrics to be heard. There is something truly exceptional about Taylor. Last year I respected her, but didn't listen. This year, I would gladly march into battle for her.
@@samsprague2846ain’t no way you used an MLK quote to describe being a swiftie, that’s just wrong. Also the people who criticize Taylor swift are no “jealous” that’s just trying to downplay legitimate criticisms people may have because you disagree with them
Music is not subjective. Blank Space one of the best songs ever written.
@@oophorror2251music is absolutely subjective, and different people have different criteria for “best”
@@samsprague2846 Bait used to be believable 😒
I loved the part of this video where melon expresses his deepest love for Taylor swift, and admitting he will listen to her as he ages in his mid 60s❤️
I wasn't interested in Taylor Swift until the Eras tour videos, started showing up, on YT. She started pulling me in, like a rip current,as I found out about " folklore" and " evermore". The Taylor vortex has taken over;( but, I still like Van Halen and Anthrax).💛
Haven't watched the full video yet but Swifts debut came out almost 20 years ago. Since then she's only been getting bigger. Most acts seem to hit their peak within 5 years of their debut.
No. She peaked about ten years ago, but she started young. Our decaying society focuses culture backwards into remakes and redos for horrifying dystopian capitalistic reasons. She has managed to ride the nostalgia wave sooner and longer than some others. Most of her success is manufactured though. She is cynical enough to be the perfect avatar of the modern capitalist nightmare.
@@kdc3065 Lol, your statement doesn't even make sense regarding the original comment you're responding to. Her most streamed song on Spotify is Cruel Summer which came out 5 years ago, 13 years after her debut. She's more than proven her staying power.
Been a Swiftie for almost 13+ years and will continue to be a Swiftie now, she's apart of my childhood
“Doesn’t have Staying Power.”
She’s been around since 2006 and is bigger than ever almost 20 years later. That alone is staying power.
There are artists who disappear from relevancy as quickly as they’re introduced. Taylor Swift is not a “new” sensation. She’s been famous for over 10 years. And the fact that she hasn’t faded already is a sign of some kind of staying power.
@@ECKohns , no one will care about Taylor Swift in 30 years. People still care about Madonna, Michael Jackson, Britney Spears, etc. after more than 30 years.
@@SamBrockmann yeah but... you're wrong so...
@@SamBrockmann blud Britney does not belong that list
@@user-br3fk8dx8o , sure she doesn't. Go cope.
@@deathwishplaylists , we'll see in 30 years if I am wrong. 🤣🤣
She literally has been at the top for 15 years at least lol. I think she’s already stayed.
Dawg I learned about Taylor Swift in class when I was in 1st grade 18 YEARS ago. She’s had staying power and is somehow only getting more and more famous
aye...that's me at the end!
She’s way overexposed right now. But knowing her, this could be a whole part of the performance? I’ve been a fan of hers for 18 years and I’ve never seen anything like what is currently going on and it’s so offputting. I still do, and will always love her music. I think she has staying power though! 18 years in.
Only bruno mars has staying power
Rest all artists are just PR built pack of cards.
She is gonna have even more power in some months, the fact that she is this big and massive and collecting douche bag haters and stuff and people are starting to turn on her for her amount of success will only make her release of reputation later this year even more iconic, she is already inescapable but people hating her and bringing her name into everything are just unkwnowingly preparing the ground for her to launch her biggest re recording ever it’s so sick yet entertaining to watch it unfold
@@sirensvibes222 not really
It comes down to album and ticket sales
If the product is not good all the older audience will move away
@@shashwatmishraalumni4918 when is that going to happen?
@@PhillyDove older audience and by old I mean above 40 is not listening to billie eilish katy perry taylor swift or any mainstream rappers today
The old white demog is listening to rock metal or have stopped consuming music while the old black ones are listening to soul r&b from 70s or 90s hip hop music or likewise have stopped.
Anyone who makes the statement that Taylor Swift "has no staying power" as an artist is on the most powerful copium known to mankind. She's been a huge star for the better part of 20 years and she's bigger than ever now.
I've been putting on a swift track for 18 years so far. I first saw her when she was 16 and opening for brad paisley. I was 17.
Me & 6 of my friends / family members listen to her since 2008 and yes we still go hard and we have a favorite song that will listen to it FOREVER.
The gift for a music fan is a tough one...
-If the person bought me an album that was the WORST in an artist's catalog, BUT it was from an artist I like then I'd be happy. Why? Well, the person buying the album for me at least knew I enjoyed that particular artist even if they didn't know the album that bought me was trash. Key example of 'it's the thought that counts!'
-Buying a shirt in the wrong size is only frustrating if the shirt has a dope color/design but it doesn't fit. Although, it is flattering if the person guesses my shirt size is 1 or 2 sizes smaller than I actually am 😂
My aunt bought me a Metallica album.
It was st. Anger. I don't love the album but I love my aunt for being so thoughtful and present in my life.
a lot of the current Gen Z are not even listening to Madonna, let alone The Beatles or Elvis.
The Beatles definitely have more staying power than Madonna. They’re teaching The Beatles’ experimental work in music conservatories these days.
While thats the argument that her haters love putting on i couldn’t disagree more idk if they have been living under a giant rock cuz people think its a trend for now when shes been famous for now 18 years and anytime u think this is it thats how much one can peak she comes back stronger as for future by this time around Taylor has already catered not to one but now two different generations if Taylor might lose audience is if she fails to make good quality music but still she has plenty of records that people will go back for nostalgia
Taylor has already proven that she has staying power. I’ve been listening to her since high school and now I’m nearly 30, married and have a kid like… she’s already proven her staying power
I don’t think people understand that even outside of the US (I’m from Malaysia btw) there’s tons of people who are & aren’t Swifties that listens to her songs ON A DAILY BASIS. All of her songs (TTPD included) are played literally EVERYWHERE. She’s been doing this for 10+ years & I believe that she’ll only become bigger & consistently stay that way
Fans would even start their own events just to celebrate her upcoming releases & etc, I’m pretty sure she’ll be remembered for a long time
We are about 2 years shy of the 20 year anniversary of Taylor Swifts first album. Wild to think about
People forget that she has fans that are NOW 6 years old, the next generation most certainly WILL care about her
It's been 15 years since Kanye interrupted Taylor Swift at the VMAs. In that time her popularity somehow increased - in most music careers since the 60's a singer or group will have been discovered, peaked, and transitioned to touring on nostalgia in that time frame.
She has switched genres successfully and only gained more fans.
I stopped listening to vanilla ice after I turned 6 because of the TMNT movie. This is a stupid comment.
@@recoil53because our society hasn’t created anything new in decades. Swift and Kanye are just mediocre people and grifters
@@brentoncarter4275 I think you'll find yours is the stupid comment my friend!
As was discussed in the video, older fans are solidified and are a dead cert to keep listening to her even if mainly for nostalgia reasons. The question then would be if younger generations would carry the swift torch too, which evidently they will.
I don't like her music at all, but thinking it's ever going away is foolish
yea my mom is almost 60 and she *freaked out* when duran duran came around for a single show a few years back. her and all her friends went. i hated the music but that’s her taylor swift so i dealt with it. i think swifties will be the same. their kids might not get it and she’ll be more “old person music”. or she will be like the fleetwood mac’s of the world and all the kids will love her too. either way, people will not just magically *forget* about her. she will probably still be selling oogles of records even after she’s gone. i bet kids today will be playing her record in retirement homes 80 years from now 😂😂
Taylor’s first single was released in 2006…name another artist who was 18 years into their career and has an album currently spending its 11th straight week at no.1?
Wouldn't doubt Beyonce albums do that and she been in the game since the mid 90s
Kanye West ☝️🤓
She’s been around for 18 years, and is currently more popular than ever. How the fuck is that not staying power? Lol
Olivia Rodrigo the biggest future star was a Swiftie and influenced by Taylor. Sabrina Carpenter, biggest star of 2024 , also swiftie and influenced by Taylor. Taylor has already influenced the next generation of popstars and she will be remembered and her career will be studied for years.Of course she is at peak and she will start declining, thats normal after 18 years, but she will be remembered!
Say it!!!!!
Ehh, Billie is the biggest future star.. Unless you consider her already too established
@@Keithjames153 unless she's able to change up her sound idk if she will last. Her 3rd album was just a bunch of the same and has had little to no impact.
@@jchamp00 With all due respect I think you might be a little disconnected from the zeitgeist… and im suspicious as to if you’ve actually listened to her most recent album🤨 because it’s WILDLY different from anything she’s ever made, vocally, production wise and song composition wise. The first thing people noticed when her album came out was how different it was from her other projects.
Her most recent album had by faaaaar and away the biggest debut of any album she’s ever released (72mil streams compared to her previous high of 45mil) and shes sold about 20k more copies her opening week than her debut album. And was also the biggest album debut of any artist born past 2000 (Olivia had the previous record at 60mil) AND received the most critical acclaim of any album she’s ever made (it got a metacritic score of 89)
… As it stands today her single Birds Of A Feather is ranked #1 in the world (2 months after it was released) and she has recently PEAKED on Spotify with the 2nd most monthly listeners of any artist. (much to the credit of her new album) and has the most monthly listeners of any female artist (yes even more than Taylor).
Just THIS WEEK she reached her ALL TIME peak in monthly listeners with 104,000,000… Just for comparison Olivia Rodrigo’s all time peak is 64,000,000 (not trying to shit on her, I just think it’s a good comp to help paint the picture)
Her album has been probably the most well received album of the year from a mainstream artist this year and from the conversations I’ve had with music fans people consider it to be her best work… I personally think she’s really cemented herself this year.
***dnt ask why I know all of these numbers 😂***
Music is about escapism and most people turn towards the familiar sounds that they grew up on, that take them to a comforting place. So yea, ofcourse people are gonna be bumpin Swift well into their geriatric diaper days.
Taylor's career longevity is insane, almost 20 years in the music industry still has a rapidly growing fanbase, that's a mastermind power indeed, but she's getting irrelevant and hateable lately with that capitalism crap, second rate pop songs and overexposure to everything. Despite all of those, her magnanimity is unmatched.
Bono had an even longer career, but one day the world got fed up with his demagoguery and megalomania.
I'd argue Paul McCartney has the longest career by far, he had 2 successful bands from the 60s and 70s and a successful solo career in the 80s, and even recently with all the Beatles and his Wings album remixes he's still somewhat in the limelight, even funnier is that he's more subtle about the capitalism than Swift lol
istg Taylor swift is over party part 2 is gonna drop any day now
"woman who has made over a billion dollars from concert tours does not have staying power"
I do think she will be the future’s equivalent of Bono. Most U2 fans have gone a bit underground in their public admiration of the band
And made over a Billion dollars in tours in the 18th year of her career.
"Woman in the 18th year of her career does not have staying power"
She's peaking almost 2 decades into her career, she displayed her staying power several years ago and is now in the process of running victory laps around other artists while at the top of the charts
Taylor Swift has been a big deal since I was a young girl. It's been 14 years, I think she has staying power.
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Last night I had a nightmare that melon grew a full beard
Taylor has already passed the test of time.
I remember circa 2008 driving around with my then GF and she was obsessed with Fearless and we were going places blasting Love Story and You Belong With Me. Haven’t spoken to her since we split in 2009, but I’d bet dollars to donuts she’s still a fan.
I got sold on her with Folklore and Evermore and grew to like the older stuff (including Fearless) and it hit me when I went to the Eras tour here and she was doing the old stuff and thinking back to that ex. If we’d had a kid they’d be one of the high schoolers in that crowd. We aren’t even 40 yet, and she’s been a huge deal so long that fans that were 20 when she hit it big are producing the next generation of fans, and it’s hard to imagine today’s college aged girls having kids won’t be seeing Taylor with their kids when they’re 15.
I mean you can see footage of her crowds or just people going to the shows if she's playing in your city. My wife is an OG fan and I took her to see the movie version for her birthday last year because she couldn't get tickets to the show, and like 30% of the audience were girls under 12 years old who were going wild for it, including the stuff that was released before they were even born. You see stuff like that and it's very hard to imagine that she's never going to appeal to anyone who wasn't there when she was at her peak fame.
@@krombopulos_michaelI think what draws young fans to her is that there's rarely aongs out there that are about the authentic teenage experience, it's rare for a teenager to be writing their own songs and making it big, her earlier songs are really magical and sweet to listen to, and when you listen back when you're older it doesn't feel cringe at all, unlike songs written for teenagers by adults which can end up aging awfully
She has staying power. She is like the herpes of music, you think she is gone but she keeps coming back more vicious than the last 😂.
She is multigenerational. My mom showed me her when I was 16. Then I grew up with Taylor.'s music....Now my kids LOVE Taylor whilst my mom and I STILL enjoy her like we were their age still.. I am not sure how you could secure more "staying power" than that?
Her first album debut in 2006. It's 2024 and she is 34 years old with the highest grossing tour of all time. Never has happened and probably won't again. I am not sure what the argument is at this point...how are people still denying her talent (I dont care if you like her music/talent or you think she deserves success-its literally irrelevant).
I think part of the problem might be that people don't know her like before she was "mega famous" or even after the reputation era happened. She comes across now like this machine, but if you knew her before OR take the time to figure her out you would know how insanely untrue that is. For example, for every album release she invited fans to her homes in different cities. Home baked them cookies with her family and surprised them with an album listening party, took pictures with all of them, and made genuine connections. She did that all the way up until the fans ruined that/pandemic. She has done things like this since 2007...She has done so much with her community over the years, even when she had to pull away from that, the north remembers. I can totally see how if you don't get it, or you weren't around then its probably very annoying...although I often ask myself if people are so annoyed by Taylor Swift why do they keep engaging or creating content around her ( like this video and all the daily hate tweets about her that go viral, etc)?? $$$$$$$$$$$
It's crazy saying that considering we are currently in a swiftie mania
If you don’t like Robert Smith’s voice, then Ian Curtis and Morrissey would make you Clockwork Orange jump out a window
Smith's not my favorite, but damn his voice is iconic!
I love each man's voice
Cool bands
If you're not dropping new Lets Argues once a month anymore you no longer can call yourself the internet's busiest music nerd :( the title has been given to Brad
Look, I understand both sides of the discourse surrounding Taylor Swift - Swifties are immensely rabid about pretty much anything surrounding her, they can be really annoying, and they often seem to lack historical and cultural perspective and context especially when it comes to music.
Also, Swift herself does not seem to truly give a fuck about the environment, and she can come off as someone who is in an immense position of power and still playing the victim, AND I EVEN AGREE that some of her latest albums are simply not that exciting apart from a select few songs.
HOWEVER.
In May of this year I went to Stockholm to see Swift in concert. I've been a Swiftie for a decade now, but realistically I'm not the typical Swiftie - I'm just a straight, 24-year old dude. Still love her music.
What I encountered on that trip was something that simply could not be brushed away by deeming it a "fad" or "the trend of the moment". The community that has formed around Swift's music is simply incredible, I don't know how else to put it. There's a level of participation by the fans that will create moments that mean Swift's music will be played decades from now. She herself will eventually fade out from the limelight, but the memories her fans create with her music will stay, and they will be lived again and again by the fans by listening to her music.
I was sitting in the arena and in the seat row in front of me were 2 girls who were at most like 13 or 14, likely even a bit younger. They literally danced for like 90% of the songs (mind you, the show lasts about 3 FUCKING HOURS), and they sang their hearts out, even got each other water when they needed it just so they could keep living in the moment, and frankly the whole scene looked like something out of a movie. These 2 kids just... it genuinely looked like they were experiencing the very best day of their lives right in front of me, and I truly don't think it's possible to discount that as merely a fad.
As a whole, the atmosphere in the arena just felt... amazing. People were exchanging bracelets, complimenting each other's outfits, taking group selfies with basically total strangers, just having a great time. I mean even the damn hotel that I stayed in played Swift FOR THE WHOLE TIME I was there! Every single time I was in the lobby or getting breakfast, Swift was playing through the speakers and that to me speaks of a phenomenon that has created such a strong community of fans that the music will be played decades from now.
No artist stays on the charts forever, but music does have the ability to stay in a person's memories for their whole lifetime.
I'm not a swiftie and haven't seen her live, but my wife is and even just from taking her to see the Eras movie last year I felt the same thing. I've rarely seen actual concerts with crowds that wild. And so many of the fans were little kids who couldn't have even been around when half of the songs were being released. You see something like that and it's very hard to see that this is just going to fade away or be one of those things with extremely broad but shallow appeal
Let's name female artists that male critics say don't have staying power:
Cher
Madonna
Mariah Carey
Dolly Parton
Taylor Swift
Katy Perry
Miley Cyrus
Insert all other female artists who have any fame.
Let's list all male artists that male critics say don't have staying power:
Maroon 5.
She’s been on top for like 15 years how could you argue that she doesn’t have “staying power” lol
Uh I am a metal head like TO THE CORE.
But come on. Taylor has been one of the most popular artists since like 2006 and her popularity and accolades have only grown. The idea that people, regardless of whether you enjoy her music or not, are still claiming or arguing about her "staying power" are just being ridiculous.
Again, you dont have to enjoy her or her music.
But if you are still calling her a "flavor of the month" youre letting your personal music taste dictate your intelligence level.
Shes talented, a great business woman and artist.
And shes made music history a thousand times over at this point, to the point where her place in music history as one of the top artists of our generation is already cemented in.
Shes up there with Elton John, Elvis ect ect ect.
She could quit making music tomorrow and disappear forever and that would still be the case.
I didn't think she'd get more famous than 1989 era but here we are
The downfall from 2016 skyrocketed her career with reputation. After that she proved she still had more to do
I may have mixed feelings about Taylor, but I won't deny that she has some fucking BANGERS! "Wildest Dreams", "Love Story", "22" are some songs that I can bump to.
Enchanted is gonna be THE wedding song soon enough
Leaving out Styles is crazy
@@Blewishthegreat frfr certified hood classic
The stories about Taylor Swift really does give me modern day Beatlemania vibes
he ate the bass
Thats exactly what they said about Milli Vanilli and now look at us in a Milli and Vanilliless world
She’s spent 20 years in the industry growing stronger with each release but she has no staying power? Are you dense or just obtuse?
Did you even watch the video?
@@zairnermuller4960 Swifities are mentally ill and scourge the Internet for any mention of her name so they can express their disgusting obsession of course they didn't watch the video
Video posted 27 Seconds ago. Knowing the average rabid Swifty, Melon has about 3 more minutes before he has to move.
EDIT: Guys, this is my most liked comment, am I in danger?
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@@maroonvfx Thats such a swifty thing to say 🤣
@@youtubeyolk that’s the joke ♥️ hope this helps
We’ve arrived
@@maroonvfx that was my joke too 🤣🤣❤️
Love that bad album or shirt question while melon is wearing a hoodie of the worst lcd soundsystem album
God I hate it when Melon says that there is other/better/more interesting stuff in a category AND DOESN‘T NAME ANY EXAMPLES!!!
I wouldn't be surprised if Taylor Swift believes she doesn't have staying power. It would explain why she'd so eager to be top of the streaming charts when she's probably on that Beyonce level where she doesn't even need them.
Let's argue, that beanie doesn't have staying power on your cueball dome.
A lot of the songs (I mostly know the more country stuff) are really well written, so I think they will get covered for a long time.
Some of us in our 50s are using Taylor’s early work to process traumas from our teens and 20s. We listen and realize buried hurt from our past. I think she did a lot of that herself during her re-record process and perhaps inspired some of the TTPD…so much Red in it.
THE TTPD? what is TTPD? Sorry I don't know what it means, thank you in advance.
@@indigorecluseThe Tortured Poets Department. Her most recent album release.
@@bp717 I see. This is going to shock you but I’ve never listened to her. I am autistic and until recently didn’t listen to music at all until 2 years ago. Now I am going to give her a listen when I wake up a little more!
I think Taylor being the most successful right now that she’s been in her 18 year career proves that she does indeed have longevity lol
nooone i know knows a song of hers other than shake it off, she has no classics
She has already stayed, lol. How do you say someone doesn't have staying power when they have been on top for over a decade? lol.
As a collector, the "worst album in the catalogue" is actually an excellent gift, because that means I didn't need to buy it myself XD XD XD
You must be 30+ like me. Rarely see the famous XD XD XD
I respect it
@@MrPek-fe9fp hitting the big four-oh this year. Ready to become ancient.
Mann the hate just make us Swifties shy at this point. Yes yall want our attention.... we appreciate it lmfao
Good you do not need to bring up taylore swift in any normal setting
Nothing worse than receiving a bad album from a good artist: I received Sufjan Steven's "Enjoy Your Rabbit" on vinyl, omg, it was atrocious and grating. I was so excited to listen to it, assuming it was gonna be great like his other work. I wanted to stab my ears lol.
I’m terrible at catching lyrics even if I’ve heard it a thousand times. I guess that means I usually take in music for its aesthetic first.
taylor's mouth is open to quickly and effortlessly consume flies with her snek tongue
She hasn’t even put out her greatest hits albums yet. 🤣🤣🤣
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Flopano
You’re just as gay as he is
I hope you do more of these compilations!
Even if she fell off next year it would be considered “a good run” already by industry standards.
People will definitely still be listening to Folklore and Evermore in 30 years. Those albums have undeniable longevity
I honestly cannot recall a single song off of either of those albums lol and I used to live with swifties. I found them both boring.
To each their own. They’re definitely mellower than her usual pop material, but the understated production and cathartic songwriting are what really make them stand out for me
I love how as he hits that note at 3:15 his eye gets greenscreened and becomes maroon
Why does everyone talk like the only people who don’t hate Taylor Swifts music are swifties? A lot of people will hear a Taylor Swift song on the radio and passively enjoy it, with out thinking much about it after that. She’s still a pop artists, it’s appealing to the general public’s ears
I would be in the second category. Not a “swiftie” but Swift has made some tracks I’ve enjoyed
I don’t appreciate what Taylor has been doing recently, but Speak Now and 1989 are core parts of my memory and personhood. Absolutely despise what she’s doing currently with the industry, but those albums my dude. Phenomenal.
@alenemarie1726 what is she doing
Came here to see your response to this and the claws have been put away
I remember first listening to her music in seventh grade, and now I’m old enough that my best friend has a seventh grader who became a huge swiftie during the eras tour. It’s been really cool to watch the same artist cycle through multiple generations effectively enough that we can have a shared cultural touchstone.
I think Taylor Swift’s long term staying power might be constrained by the fact that her demographic is so strictly geared towards white women and the music reflects that. I think it might put a bit of a boundary on how widespread her music is for the general public decades from now.
Old pop legends like MJ or Beatles had incredible widespread appeal pushing musical boundaries which helps contribute to their still strong appeal even decades later
EDIT: Oh god, enter the replies at your own peril
Im a 20 year old asian male and I like some taylor swift. Sure, swifties are mainly white woman, but her music is not only enjoyed by her most devout fans.
I don’t listen to michael jackson or the beatles every day. I don’t listen to taylor swift every day. I still appreciate both.
Yeah even with all her immense fame I still don't feel comfortable when I think about her name appearing next to the likes of MJ, The Beatles, Elvis and/or Queen. She could very well prove me wrong, and I wouldn't be that surprised given her current numbers, but it probably won't ever feel right.
I was literally saying this exact thing in my head lol.. Taylor has a very SPECIFIC person she appeals to and it so happens to be that her demographic (youngish white women) make up the largest segment of mainstream music listeners but still it oddly feels like she’s a niche artist (despite the size of her fanbase).
I feel like when our kids ask us how crazy Taylor Mania was back in our day many of us won’t be able to give a satisfying answer because we only heard about her through proxy. She hasn’t really played much of a role in a lot of people music listening journey. And in contrast MJ and the Beatles defined the ethos of a decade to where it was hard to be alive during that time period and not have been impacted in some way.
I dunno, man - I'm from Japan and there are a lot of Swifties here (at least from what I've seen). I believe she sold out her Tokyo Dome show during her Eras Tour, as well.
U must be absolutely oblivious how insanely popular Taylor is in Asia, especially in countries like Indonesia Philippines. Actually probably every country on Asia has huge swifties fanbases
3:29 I actually got my friend an extremely oversized Arctic Monkeys shirt for Christmas because he’s a big fan but doesn’t like their newest album, and it was the only merch on their site that didn’t have the name of that album on it
I had a very similar experience buying merch at their concert actually
Tell him to turn it into a muscle tee, apparently it's pretty simple to do
THIS WOMAN knows EXACTLY how to reinvent herself and besides, the fact that cruel summer a song from her lover album went to number 1 last year says ALOT, even with her Taylor's version went to number 1, she's literally competing with HERSELF on the charts....Never underestimate taylor
She’s competing with herself because she intentionally games the charts (and prevents other artists from the number one) by releasing three or four different versions of the same song. Because she’s greedy.
Blank Space is one of goat pop songs.
Sir the hell r u doing when kendrick released his video on July 4th
At this point, I'm just tired of hearing about Taylor. She was already huge in the 2010s, but at this point, she's completely unavoidable -- offline or online. And it doesn't help that her last few albums have been mid as hell... she's at a point where she's too big to try anymore (musically speaking)
100%
Drake 2 lmao
@@HYBRIDZHQ at least she’s not a pedo and has secret kids
@@HYBRIDZHQIncluding dating questionably young people. Dating a 17yr old while your 22 is pretty questionable to me, not to mention her fame and power over said 17yr old
@@HYBRIDZHQat least Drake made her loss and he has some decent songs here and there. All Taylor swift music sounds the same at this point