What SPIDER-VERSE Teaches Us About The 'Perfect' Spider-Man | Sam's Channel
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- Опубликовано: 31 май 2024
- Video Editorial breaking down Spider-Man: Into The Spider-Verse, and the ways in which its thematic emphasis of a 'perfect' Peter Parker impacts the journey of Miles Morales, the new Spider-Man.
Marvel's Spider-Man has arguably become one of the most acclaimed figures in popular culture, and his presence in media has grown completely out of proportion incredibly quickly, particularly within the last four or so years. With so many varying takes coming out so fast and such a headache-educing online fandom, audiences are practically tripping over themselves to keep up with the constantly evolving mythology. Who's to say what makes any Spider-Man adaptation necessarily 'faithful' anymore?
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The best thing about Peter B. is that his life is a MESS...but he’s still a great Spider-Man. Yeah, he’s rocking those depression sweats and having breakdowns in the shower, but he’s also like, “Yeah, this spider gig usually comes with world ending consequences, it’s fine, find the thing, do the thing, it’s whatever.” I guess you can interpret that a number of ways...he’s good at compartmentalizing, or the job has simply become rote and continuing on is just another way he’s spinning his wheels...maybe. But also, he’s a hero, and good at it, and his depression doesnt completely stand in the way of that.
I mean hey, he survived longer than the perfect spiderman.
I think of the Peter B. Parker as what would be Perfect Parker's future. Perfect Parker just did'nt live enough to see his life derail.
That's a good point. Part of the lesson he learned was that he was a better Spiderman than he gave himself credit for.
@@Rafaelrgm Maybe, but one could argue that May's influence in making his life easier would have allowed him to utilise the Spider-Cave (which Peter B. does not have in his world) to continue his crime fighting sans all the injuries that eventually wear down Peter B.
That said, it could also mean without Aunt May Perfect Parker's ability to fight crime would drop dramatically.
I really enjoy Peter B. I would like to see a stand alone where he is trying to get some of the facets of his life back together.
“Gwen Stacy can be a character” 😂
Yeah i think thats what he said
SINMON [TLM] thank you
with shots like these 5:35 why not
Big slap in the face to me.
"Spider-Man can be a woman" *Shows Gwen Stacy again*
It's a pretty good take on the story, but I feel like you missed one of the more interesting aspects of the "perfect" Spiderman of Mile's world. In the fight scene, he mentions how tired he is, and it isn't said in the "I can use a nap" sort of way. He really gives off the vibe of being emotionally tired, which points to a crack in the otherwise perfect facade.
Exactly! That's why he's so excited to have Miles. Another Spider-Man means he doesn't have to be the only thing keeping New York from total destruction. In fact, there's a good chance the Perfect Spidey was heading down a similar route to Peter B. Parker once the burnout finally overtook him.
Great point.
Well his life is complete shit at that point I think that’s be a great story if there ever was a raimi Spider-Man 4 tobey is tired old fat divorced aunt May dies
I think that scene was also an indicator that in a few years he grow tired of being Spider-Man and maybe a decade later would eventually grow to hate it. He would eventually end up at a point in life similar to Peter B. Parker. Everyone thought Peter Parker was perfect, you have to think that it must be exhausting to constantly try and live up to that. *Edit I just read the previous replies, 432neptune already made the points I just made. Sorry go read his comment instead.
@432neptune, maybe a burnout and retirement, though he wouldn't have broken down like Peter B., cause he'd struck a good balance in life and wasn't really having problems with MJ wanting kids as far as we know. He just seems to be a really well-balanced hero and great guy, but you're right, he's damn tired, and rightly so. He still fights out of obligation and compassion, but the only real option he sees is retiring at some point, and how can you do that while the city's still in danger? So he's tired as anything, with the only hope of retiring nowhere on the horizon yet. Which is why the discovery of Miles is a miracle to him.
He knows he can't keep going forever, but he's also firmly decided its not about him. The city needs the symbol and protection of 'Spiderman', in some sense. By passing on the mantle, he can make sure people stay safe- which seems to be the only thing keeping him from taking a well earned sleep for several years- whilst also finally getting to live a more peaceful and home-focused life.
Yeah, I think he would've burnt out... But in a longer, slower burn than Peter B., as the only thing weighing him down seems to be Spidermanning for longer than healthy. Probably just gradually driving himself further into exhaustion until he lost a fight and died anyway. The guy was stuck in a job only he could do for longer than he could reasonably be asked to do it... As perfect of a balance as he'd struck in life, and as perfect a spiderman he seems, he's only human, and there's only so long one can go on.
Honestly a better example for Aunt May knowing about his identity would be Spider-Man: the PlayStation exclusive (since it's no longer just for PS4) where Aunt May has always known but never told Peter that she did till the end. And it's a good example cuz it shows that although she always puts on a happy face she still worried every day but didn't want to stop him because she knew that telling him to would be a lost battle, and also telling your nephew that "even though you have these powers you shouldn't use them" is not a good lesson to teach him.
Small point of order: Spider-Man's been a pig longer than you've been alive.
Stephen Suggs lol it amazes me no one has heard of spiderham before into the spider verse lol
@@LogicbyDesign I grew up buying spider ham comics at the local grocery store lol. Good times. Glad I lived long enough to see something I really loved as a kid on the big screen :)
@@LogicbyDesign I only ever saw him in Ultimate Spider-Man before
But what amazes me now is that there is a Spider *CAT* ... I thought the pig was the only animal half- spider character....
@@XenoXerosiX_SpX there is infinite spider people
The way they introduced Peter Parker and Peter B. Parker is brilliant on the basis of names. The inclusion of B, which stand for Benjamin like Uncle Ben, actually serves to emphasize that this Peter Parker is imperfect-he is the B-man, the b-team's Peter. This also emphasizes that the previous Peter is the epitome of what a Spider-man should be as he is the A-man.
"Aunt May can be young." Marisa Tomei is in her mid 50's. While I wouldn't call that elderly, it is not "young" by any means.
Yes she is lmaooo
It doesn't matter what the actor's age is. The character my dude.
@@ethanjohnson3642 That’s true too
As someone who regularly has patients who are 70+, 50s is young (that’s still middle age)
Aunt may is in her mid 60s in the comics lol and age yes but her look is that of a 40 year old milf
For me Peter Parker of Miles' dimension represents all thing that the people thing that Spider-Man is but Peter B Parker who Spider-Man really is.
Another great way of looking at it!
I think the point about May knowing Pete’s identity is that we as an audience were denied May’s arc from being fiercely overprotective to accepting that Pete is going his own way - the problem with doing that arc is they would also have to acknowledge Uncle Ben, which they’ve apparently sworn never to do (despite Far From Home being a pretty perfect place to mull over how Pete keeps losing father figures) - so instead we get something that, while lighter and altogether breezier, also feels more shallow and sidesteps the psychodrama of a teenager being thrust into these adult situations and trying to do the right thing, something I think is essential to the character
@SpiritWolf2K Ned and the other girl that found out where in a bit of danger in far from home. Not enough for it to show the real consequences of people finding out your identity but it's a bit.
To be honest, In my opinion of someone that didn't watch fsr from home,If May wasn't snapped she would eventually discover his suit, and she would also be able to probably connect the dots I mean the old spider men suit (that in 5 years she could probably find,bcs u know people look at the things of those that are gone)he vanished and so did spiderman,the same day Peter is in X city Spiderman is also there... (if somone got an image of it),so just like MJ tought about it she could have figured it out
@SpiritWolf2K I don't think you and I watched the same movies. Or...maybe you were so upset with the Tont Atark connection that you missed what the movies were actually trying to accomplish.
In spiderman homecoming Tony Stark gave peter an awesome costume but that didn't help him be a better auper hero. He still flubbed things up to the point that Tomy took the suit away from him. He had to figure out who he is as a super hero all on his own. There was no Gary stu in that.
In far from home he seems essentially useless in those early battles. Yeah er figure out why later but geez the guy couldn't even keep a bell tower from collapsing. What Gary stu are you talking about? He had that Tony Stark suit on when he was battling Mysterio and still had his ass handed to him. He need to learn to trust his instincts. The suit never once helped him be a better super hero. Do you get what I am saying? Things were given to him that SEEMED like they would solve all his problems but they never did. His over-reliance on these giftd made him weaker. That's why he needed to make his own suit in the end. No one could make the prrfect suit but him.
So i totally disagree with you. I think the MCU knows Spider man better than all of us, but you missed what they were trying to show you. It's cool though. I was annoyed with homecoming too, until i realized what they were going for.
@SpiritWolf2K You know, I also forgot that pretty much EVERYONE ON THE PLANET found out Peter Parker's identity in Sam Raimi's Spiderman. Mary Jane found out (of course). His enemies always found out and that put his loved ones in danger anyway. Pretty much everyone on the train found out. I remember rolling my eyes towards the end of Spiderman 2 because his mask seem to come off every 5 minutes! That's just another reason not to buy this whole "the MCU doesn't get spider man because aunt may knows his identity." If you're going to critize one version for it then the other should as well.
@@melodramatic7904 He saved a train full of people, they'd better be grateful and keep his identity a secret. No social media or camera phones at that time. The danger they were in was a traumatic experience, half of the people who saw him would've forgotten his face anyways. So yeah, it makes perfect sense that he got away with it.
And did we watch the same movie? How the hell did you see his mask fall off every 5 minutes at the end?
Had you actually paid attention to the comic and movies, you'd find MCU Spider-Man is filled with sooo many problems. But that's how the MCU targets their audiences, people who don't have enough attention span.
Okay, but I love midlife crisis Spider-man. I'm so ready for 30 something, tired, snarky, done with this but keeps going Spider-man to get his movie moment. Loved dad/sad bod Spidey so much. Miles is great too. Really, all the Spider-characters were great in "Into the Spider-verse", even the perfect one, he's that one version where things worked out...well, until, you know (Peter, and us the audience who love him, deserves that version too). Wonderful video, by the way.
"Anyone can wear the mask, but its what you do once you put it on that defines the character"
I did pick on the whole idea of a "Perfect Spider-Man" in the film (and I thought it was more emphasised with the contrast of Peter B Parker and Peter Parker) with the contrast and I 100% agree with your point that a Perfect Spider-Man isn't Spider-Man in fact I'd argue a perfect *Spider-Man* (in terms of adapting the character well) is a flawed Spider-Man a person with character flaws and insecurities, who's life sucks, and is plagued by typical Parker luck. Blond Peter Parker is postioned as a "perfect" and idealized larger than life Spider-Man that Miles at first thinks he has to live up to but then learns that he has to be his own hero with his own identity becuase everybody can be Spider-Man or a hero in general (the main theme of the movie) in their own way instead of being restricted by living up to another hero.
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It's why I love Andrews' version I think; he's kind of unlikeable at first, and becomes a better guy as the movies continued.
Peter Parker (Blondie) is the prefect hero; he's struck a perfect balance, risen above the bad luck and struggles, and defined himself by who he has become through adversity. He's the ideal end of the hero's journey, a character who, while never perfect, has sort of become the larger than life, reassuring presence in the world that they once looked up to.
He's not the prefect representation of what Spiderman's journey symbolizes to us, like you said, because we are shown a man at the end of it. He doesn't really represent the same kind of teenage spiderman struggling through life and dealing with his flaws/their consequences that we're used to seeing, because he's been through all that, just like Miles does and will.
I guess what I mean is, while I get your point, Peter represents what Spiderman can become after all the major struggles they each go through- and in doing so, shows Miles the kind of hero he should aspire to become through hardship- rather than showing us the becoming-spiderman-esque stories. That's for his successor to go through now, and that's where what you describe as the perfect Spiderman kind of chracter lies in now, Miles journey. Peter's already been there. Its Miles' legend now.
Another one bites the dust
My simple (kinda) way of viewing it is Blond Peter Parker is living a perfect life as Spider-Man while Peter B Parker is living the life of a perfect Spider-Man.
Im almost completely sure that the oly difference between "perfect" peter parker, and Peter B Parker is simply that B is older and thus overburned himself at some point.
No I think Peter Perfect is deliberately an ideal nobody can live up to (it's why Miles thinks he's not worthy after meeting him), while Peter B shows that you don't have to BE the best, you just have to DO your best (which is when Miles gets it). The one detail that makes me think PB isn't just an older PP? The sweatpants. Bear with me! When PP meets Miles he mentions he doesn't have a problem with laces because he wears a onesie. Basically he's already thought of the optimal suit for what he's doing. However, when PB arrives through the portal, he loses the leg portions of his suit (you actually see them fall off as he hits the street). His outfit is not optimal, and because of this he ends up in sweatpants. If he had a onesie that wouldn't have happened. That's how we know PB isn't just PP + time. He's actually NEVER been as perfect as PP, even when he was at his prime. He's just doing his best to figure stuff out, and sometimes it's not quite right but mostly it's good enough.
Not really. Peter (Blondie) has struck a perfect balance between the different parts of his life. His problem stems from two different things from Peter B.
Peter B. overrelies on being spiderman to take the pain away from his life falling apart, so he kinda views being spiderman as a way to get away from it all.
Peter's struck the balance perfectly, but that requires him being able to quite reasonably be able to take a rest before he burns out, albeit differently. He's pretty much the prefect hero at the end of his journey, but he won't let his time as Spiderman end if it means leaving the city defenceless, even though he really needs to for his own sake. He's the only guy who can do the job, so even though he knows he can't hold out much longer, he refuses to stop while people needs his help.
Peter B. has a struggling personal life but fully embraces being spiderman. Peter Parker knows its not healthy to keep being spiderman much longer, but he's trapped in place because he knows the city needs him.
Also, if Peter had his way he would've trained Miles up, taken a well earned rest (though hung around looking after his protege while he could), and lived a happy life as Peter. He'd figured out his everyday life, and his relationships, and it seemed like his problems stemmed from being unallowed to move on from Spiderman. Rather than Peter B., who seems to kind of use Spiderman as a crutch to deal with problems in an almost opposite way.
Idk if I'm making sense... Peter B. had troubles with his personal life, and he used Spiderman to support him, but couldn't escape the issues altogether. Peter Parker had troubles with being spiderman for too long, and used his personal life as support, but couldn't bring himself to stop being spiderman... If that... Made any sense.
@Barry Hood and PP's never really been PERFECT perfect, he just struck the balance really well between his identity... He's kind of the ideal person end of the hero's journey. Not perfect, but they've risen out of their major trials and defined themselves through what they've learnt.
He's become the larger than life, reassuring mentor-type he used to look up to... Kind of in the same way a grandfather or uncle or older cousin or the like, where they have this larger than life personality, deeper outlook on life, and in a very human and imperfect way... A hero.
@@TheDelinear The sweatpants are also a good indicator of Peter's B. arc throughout the movie. The usuage of sweatpants represents the burnout and running on empty mentality he's had, and the later lack of them represent him being back to being Spidey in full.
The other Peter is also very overburned tho. He goes "I'm so tired" during the fight and in the "Spidey Bells" song he lowkey breaks down.
The two Peter Parkers make me think of the two alternate versions of the main characters in sliding doors, how one had a better life but ended up dead while the other was less successful but ended up surviving. And I only watched that film because it was what others had decided on.
I saw the length of the video and was like “oh cool he’s going in deep with this!” And then it ends and I’m like “NO KEEP TALKING “
Haha that's awesome, man. Thanks for such kind words!
Right, but in Spider-Verse there isn't a whole conversation about how Aunt May would freak out if she knew he was Spider-Man, which there is in Homecoming. That's the problem, the end credit scene was purely to set up the conflict between May and Peter and the result is... nothing.
In my mind, it’s more like the fear of the worst case scenario.
Plus, we may not have seen any conflict, but considering how much time passed between Homecoming and Infinity War (as well as Far From Home), there’s a good chance that there was some conflict that was worked out on screen. We can’t have a Spider-man story that ends with him being grounded from being Spider-man for good and the whole “rebelling against your family to do what’s right” has already been done in other stories and may need a whole movie to tell, which the MCU didn’t have
I never felt like anything was missing tbh, she was shocked and then they figured it out, the question (for me at least) becomes: do we want a movie where 1/5 of it goes to squabbeling between them where they reach this point anyway?
I know that I certainly do not want that.
Not every problem has to be shown in the movies, some can be left outside of it.
However, the reveal in Far From Home has to have impact that is shown, otherwhise I will agree that it would be really stupid.
Also important the perfect Peter was tired!!! In the middle of the fight he mentions how tired he is. But he was so focused on the perception of Spider-Man. It’s why he is the only Spidey that dies.
Their struggles keep them focused and getting better. Ideal isn’t learning anything and is getting tired of it.
What do you mean?
He's tired cause he struck the perfect balance between being spiderman and living his own life. But that balance requires him to take a well earned rest after all the years. The guys only human. He's still flawed and struggles, but he's the kind of at the end of the road Spiderman. He's had struggles, risen out of the worst of them, and become the larger than life person he is. Not struggling isn't why he's killed, this is:
So, to have the perfect balance in his life, it requires him to take a well-earned rest after all these years. He's still human. He's still gonna get tired, and he deserves to take a break and live his own life. But of course, he won't even consider retiring, because he's the only guy who can do the job. His body and mind won't hold out forever, but he's not gonna turn his back on the city.
Peter (Blondie)'s caught between saving people he won't ever turn his back on, but also having to face the fact that he can't hold out for said ever. He desperately wants to rest but refuses to while he can still help people, even if that means fighting till it gets him killed... Which is why he dies.
Peter needed an apprentice to pass the mantle on to before he burned out, but he'd resigned himself to the fact that he'd probably never find one. Think about it from his eyes. He's exhausted, and there's no prospect of being able to sleep properly anywhere on the horizon. But even so, he keeps getting up cause he's a damn hero.
He isn't the only Spidey who dies because he's too wrapped up in the perception of Spidey, he dies because he knew what Spiderman meant to the people he was protecting, and was willing to fight till he died knowing no one else could fight the fight he was takes with.
And I don't quite get what you mean, Ideal Peter's not learning anything? He's learned all there is to learn he's pretty much the perfect spiderman, that's not a flaw. He DID learn all of that stuff you're proposing keeps the Spiderpeople fresh. In his prime he's a beast. But even the best man in his position couldn't humanly hold out forever. Even absolutely exhausted he still holds off several supervillains and chooses to sacrifice his life for Miles' escape and the city's safety. But the job was demanding too much of him, and his only downfall was really that he was too selfless to turn away.
Idk, is that what you meant? I'm just confused that you thought Blondie died because he was... Too much of a good hero? His near perfection wasn't his flaw, and he wasn't too focused on Spiderman's perception. Rather, his near perfection was what kept him kicking even when he had every right to throw the mask away and sleep for two years straight, even till he died, and he was too focused on the people the Spiderman saves to care about himself. And yeah, that's why he dies.
Sorry that was so long :)
@@usualrain7082 not being the perfect spiderman but spiderman as a symbol. He wasn't hung up on it either, he was continuing because he knew if there was no spiderman, new york would be gone. he would love to have a break, but he knows he doesn't have a choice.
I prefer Miles Spiderman suit with the pants, shoes and that hoodie, looked so cool but no, he got rid of them T_T
That poster illistrates a Miles in his "normal clothes" with Spiderman inside of them. Its not really pratical to use while being Spiderman.
True, and people would recognize them at some point... But damn you're right, I much preferred it too. It looked so damn epic, and had a lot of his identity in it.
Ye I liked that suit to
@@usualrain7082 same like I don't want these clothes I just copped to get ripped up in a second
Same! It looks so good
IMO The Tom Holland Spider-Man movies aren’t ballsy and are just there for money. Tom Holland is a super good looking guy with a ton of natural charisma, and the side characters in the story don’t have much depth. There aren’t really consequences to Peters actions in the movie, and everything is just fluff and fun
It sells and people love it. I don’t think it’s a bad thing at all
I just think it’s a lot more ballsy for a director like Sam Raimi to cast Tobey Maguire, who’s ugly and socially awkward; and just shit all over him during the movie:. Really make it hard for him to be Soiderman. His worst problem isn’t getting a multi billion dollar suit taken away; it’s not being able to pay rent. It’s watching the girl of your dreams be swooped up by another man, it’s watching your best friend spiral into madness; it’s watching your broke and widowed Aunt May be stepped on by the world
It’s being seen as worthless by the rest of the world, shit on by your boss and coworkers, and feeling completely alone in that struggle
To me Tobey Maguire’s Spider-Man has so much inner strength because he chooses to be Spider-Man even though it sucks and makes his life as Peter Parker suck
I don’t see anything wrong with MCu spidey. He’s cool enough, I just don’t think it’s true to Stan Lee’s and Steve Ditkos original vision of taking a guy like Peter Parker; who is literally at the bottom of society, and making him a hero who has to deal with real life bull shit
Tobey Maguire wasn't really ugly tbh.
@@anjaneyasreetrout2444 Yes, but the filmmakers, and (to his great credit) Tobey himself was not afraid to make himself look "ugly" -- I mean with the realistic ugly crying face and stuff like that. They didn't try to make him too perfect.
@@dialecticsjunkie7653 that’s another reason why I can’t get down with the new Spider-Man PS5 face. He just looks too cute lol.
Ironic that the the animated Spider-Men and women feel more like real people than the live action MCU Spider-Man who's seen in flesh and blood on screen.
That’s the difference between Spider-Man and Iron Man Junior
not the case wit Andrew
Oh my gosh I just noticed that at 12:51 Peter.B.Parker is wearing two completely different shoes. This man is not okay! He needs a hug!
What I had not noticed five years ago but noticed before going to see Across the Spider-Verse is that despite his messy and depressed disposition, you see WHY he's Spider-Man and you still see how smart Peter B. Parker is. The way he remembers the password, quick on his feet, extremely competent in his fighting...
Anyone can wear the mask, but don't expect your shins to stay together one you jump off that building.
Stoopio's Productions or your back to remain intact if you fall and land on a car.
Ziggy Roman my back..my back!
My leg!
My.. my.. My Cabbages!!
@@jalite1991 made my day
I think the best description of Peter B. is that he's the Spencer to Carly from iCarly. It's a way better description than him than as a second dad/uncle.
I think this sums up why I like Andrews' version of the character; he's a flawed, bitter young man trying to be better despite how life keeps putting him down, just like so many of us.
Me to:)
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... and he has improved a lot. Not to say that he wasn't doing high-calibre reviews six years ago, but this is a whole new level. 👌🏿🕸
You do raise an interesting point in regards to the “Perfect Spider-Man.” However, I want to raise the additional point that Spider-Man is also not as interesting if his life sucks simply because it has to suck. At that point you’re plugging into a formula as opposed to telling a story that naturally makes problems for Peter’s life. It’s not interesting if all of the problems in someone’s life is simply because the story has to pile on problems and/or there’s no consistent drive to to try to fix or deal with any of the problems. Part of the reason I liked Spider-Verse’s take on the Peters is because it showed two different sides of Peter Parker. You have the Spider-Man who figured his life out and got to the point of balance, while the other Peter still found new problems to deal with even though he was approaching forty.
I feel a problem of Spider-Man in some stories is that he isn’t allowed to get a better handle of his life simply because it’s part of the DNA of the character to have a crappy life as opposed to having a crappy life because of the natural circumstances of his life. It’s why I’m not that big of a fan of traditional Aunt May as she’s (not always) used to contrive situations to make Peter’s life more difficult. Peter is best when he has ups and downs. Too much of one extreme ruins the appreciation of the other.
I don’t think it’s necessarily a bad call to have Aunt May supportive of Peter’s superheroic life. In the hands of a good writer, you should be able to close the door on one set of problems while opening the door to a new set of problems. Whether Far From Home successfully does this is up in the air, but Aunt May knowing his identity doesn’t automatically break Spider-Man.
A fair argument that I mostly agree with but I do have some thoughts; I'm not one of those people that thinks Spider-Man's life has to be constant misery, but there should certainly be a struggle of duality there. Peter Parker AND Spider-Man face an uphill battle in different ways, one fastical, one mundane, both very much human. If one side of him gets it right, the other has to lose. How one depicts that struggle, whether comedic, downbeat or fun, is entirely up to the storyteller. There are plenty of ways to keep Spider-Man's life an uphill battle without making it tediously depressing to watch. Peter B. Parker is the version of Spider-Man we recognise. He struggles and doesn't always get it right, but he'll always get back up and try again because there are things in life worth fighting for, like Mary Jane. He experiences happiness as much as he experiences hardship, it what makes him work so hard at it.
Also, I'm not saying that Aunt May knowing Peter's secret identity is an inherently bad idea, what I'm criticising is people citing the film that very much criticises that idea as a positive comparison.
It's more about the nuance of discussion than it is necessarily 'this idea can't work'.
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I agree. Peter’s stories are best when the writers can find ways to put both of his lives in conflict with each other. Not everybody agrees on the best take, but that’s usually the benchmark for a good Spider-Man story. I just find it a little off when people talk about the tragedy of Spider-Man without paying much attention to the fact that the tragedy works because we spend time with Peter when he’s happy. I felt like Spider-Verse was the film where I felt the best contrast of Spider-Man. The previous film incarnations all had aspects that they chose to emphasize for their stories, but Spider-Verse felt like it consolidated all of that into the quintessential Spider-Man film for me.
And I see what you’re saying with Aunt May. It’s not necessarily a criticism of the MCU’s decision so much as a criticism of the defenders’ arguments, and I think you explained your point very well.
@@Ren_Davis0531 Thanks for watching, dude!
This movie teaches us that we can’t always have a happily ever after but we can choose if it’s happy or not or if we can move on from the hardships life give up because even if one hero goes down there r more to stand up and the more who stand up mean the more people who will stand together and keep other people safe
9:28 This. This is the "blow my mind" moment and I couldn't even stop my own tears. So on point, you boiled the essence of Spiderman to this every fact: that he's flawed and human, that's what makes us love him as a character.
Wonderful video.
Thank you so much, man! That means a lot and I'm chuffed it resonated so much with you 😊
Just gonna say one thing:
Being A Spider-man is not the same as being THE Spider-Man.
Gwen is A Spider-man. Miles is A Spider-man, same for the pig, the asian girl and the others.
Peter Parker is THE Spider-man.
All those characters have different stories and circumstances but Peter Parker is the Spider-man that made the character famous and the one that is all-around loved.
I have no problem with the Spider Family that exist nowadays but no Spider can replace Peter Parker.
You bring up a good point. It's interesting to look at this property through the lens of other characters, Peter's lens is arguably the best and most fleshed out version of the character.
@@nerdstorma8427 isn't that just a function of time? Meaning with enough time any Spiderman can become THE Spiderman.
true line! Same goes for Barry Allen as the Flash! who ever wears the suit later on in other comics, the one that made the Flash big and loved is Barry Allen.
For me the most immersion breaking to be honest, is the "coloring" of long known charakters. In the new Flash universe, the Wests are black, in the MCU poor hot redhead MJ gets colored and slightly renamed, like aunt May is youngered and all the stuff. The arrow and Flash verse canon breaks i wont start mention...
But why is it, that the movie and show makers want to break all our favorite cultural treasures these days? Star wars is dead, spidey has his hard time on screen... the list starts to get long... and that makes me scared for the future.
sorry for that rambling, but i felt the need to let it out.
you forgot to mention how THE spider man is tobey maguire but agreed
@@ricwalker6600 yesss miles is a good example of how to do it properly but its different than making a female hulk or thor just cause wamen lmao
Spoilers for the game!!!
May always knew in the game verse, and she was always proud of him.
And his life still kinda sucks too
She always knew but he didn't know that she did. That's the key difference there.
I don't think the implication of Chris Pine's Spider-Man was that he was perfect and therefore isn't Spider-Man. I think it's a bit contradictory to agree with the film's own statement that anyone can wear the mask but then say well except for this version of Spider-Man who has everything going for him.
The film itself acknowledges Chris Pine's Spider-Man as an authentic version of Spider-Man. He's just one who's a bit more well off but that also doesn't mean he has no problems or personal conflicts. Even what little time he shared on screen he was still compelling an entertaining. This has also been touched on in the 90's animated series which also features an episode with alternate versions of Spider-Men, one who's basically a Tony Stark like Spider-Man.
The film isn't using "perfect" Spider-Man to invalidate that version. It's using it to validate Miles' through juxtaposition. It's like when PBP tells Miles that Spider-Man doesn't wear capes and then when they go into his lair Miles finds a suit with a cape and they have a little moment. See? That Spider-Man wasn't so perfect after all. His weakness was capes. Even through that little detail they are validating Chris Pine's Spider-Man and Miles as well.
I always thought Blonde Spiderman was different from Peter B. Parker because he had been Spiderman for less time and was only starting to feel the tiredness that comes with it.
The point being 'anyone' can wear the mask because *real* people are flawed, imperfect and capture the essence of that uphill battle in life to balance everything, the human battle that Spider-Man represents. The film is saying that while you can certainly infer a larger story onto Chris Pine's version from what we see, he is a purposely underwritten model of perfection. It's demonstrating how the storyteller would ultimately deal with a Spider-Man who has "come of age" in a coming-of-age story; kill him off. It's a characteristic cliche for Spider-Man to be knocked back down the moment after he's won, and this is the universe correcting itself. That is *this* Spider-Man's imperfection; he's the one that died because there was nowhere left to grow. Again, that's not to say he's not a relevant version, but something wasn't quite right there for a minute and his death is the film thematically acknowledging that.
I hope this makes sense. Thanks for watching!
@@SamsChannelOfficial Considering that film as an art form is interpretive, I respectfully disagree. I think you're assuming what the point of Pine's Peter's death is. It's obvious that his death was meant to be a catalyst for Miles' motivation but to infer that because he was seemingly perfect means there's nowhere to go with his character is reaching a bit too far. Even a character who has everything can still lose everything. Just because he seemingly has everything doesn't mean there's nowhere left to go with his character and therefor the only reasonable thing to do is kill them off. That's severely limiting your writing potential.
Wasn't this a particular plot point of Spider-Man 3? By Raimi's third film Peter basically has everything going for him. He's in a perfect position. He has a good job. Everyone loves Spider-Man. He's with the girl of his dreams. His life is considered perfect. As a result the struggle he ends up dealing with is his grandiose ego and eventually has it all stripped away from him. Having the perfect life doesn't mean you aren't subject to some kind of emotional struggle. Yes, the character of Peter is rooted in the every man struggle. But the idea of Spider-Man is that it can be anyone, even the person with the seemingly perfect life but as we all know, no one has the perfect life. Even those people just have different emotional struggles.
The same thing was done with Superman. Seemingly a perfect character who's too overpowered and as such some writers find it difficult to write for him. And when handed to Grant Morrison someone asked him how do you create struggles for someone so powerful and he responds by saying well you give him emotional struggles the same kind we all deal with. He's still just a man. And Grant ended up boosting his power even more and still wrote a compelling and arguably one of the best Superman stories ever told.
I just don't buy that the film was thematically stating that Pine's Parker was less relevant and therefor subject to be killed off because as I stated before, the film seems to be acknowledging and validating him through Miles as I explained through the discovery of the cape. It wasn't saying to be Spider-Man you have to be like Spider-Man. It was poking fun at what you think makes Spider-Man. "Spider-Man doesn't wear capes. It's insulting" *finds Spider-Man suit with a cape.* It was clear how that played out was a validation of both Miles and that version of Peter.
He's a lot different from a lot of jaded mentors because he never retired, Miles isn't getting him back to work he's helping him learn how to live again.
Spider-Verse was fucking brilliant I thought I was going to hate it before I watched it and ended up loving it.
9:51 I thought how weird it is seeing Peter use 1 finger for the Web shooter. Tried it. Ow my finger.
Wait, i just realized now that the two peter parkers in the movie are voiced by different guys??!
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I think you've got it in a slightly off perspective... Peter Parker Blondie wasn't truly perfect, but he was the end of the hero's journey... The reason you can't tell many stories with him is because he's been through them all already. This Spiderman is going through the happy little epilogue stage near the end of a comic, if that makes sense.
Heck, the only reason he's still Spiderman is cause no one else can be. He's really tired. He's reached the end of his road as Spidey, and his body and mind won't hold out forever, but he keeps going cause he's a damn hero and he refuses to turn his back on the city, even if it kills him.
But he shouldn't still have to be Spiderman... The only reason scenes with him as Spiderman wouldn't be too interesting is because he's been Spiderman all before, and he's reached the end. He honestly deserves to have a very long nap now... Cause now he's been through all the stories and overcome all the big struggles, he's reached a new chapter in his life.
Also, “perfect Peter Parker” is a 26 year old who’s Married. “Tom Holland Peter Parker” is a ~16 year old kid. Yeah perfect peters aunt may would be more comfortable with him being Spider-Man as he is an adult with adult responsibilities and isn’t in school. Tom Holland’s Peter Parker is still a teenager in highschool, so it would make sense if she was still super worried about him
"Perfect" Peter Parker also has a few flaws that are easy to miss because of how touch-and-go the film treats them. His intro blurb implies there are a few things he's done that he's not exactly thrilled about in hindsight, such as the Christmas album and the street-dancing thing ("We don't really talk about this..."). Not to mention a fairly lengthy montage of him getting beaten like a punching bag and used to break walls. Upon a second-watch, I got the impression that he's putting on the "stage face" and acting like he's having the time of his life because Spider-Man doesn't want people to see how badly this is wearing him down, because like he said, the only thing protecting his city is Spider-Man, and there's only one Spider-Man.
And that's the whole thing of it, we don't get to know this Parker because he's not our Spider-Man, Miles Morales is. And Miles only knows him as the perfect flawless hero, and doesn't even get to meet the guy until right before he's killed. The version of Peter Parker Miles does have time to get to know is Peter B. Parker, who has been through it. He's a deconstruction of the Spider-Man that Miles thought Spider-Man was.
I just love the sort of father-son relationship Peter B. and Miles develop
happy to see you making videos again.
I got to hang out with the concept artist, and Perfect Peter looks like a statue, apparently another team designed Peter B Parker. The Goblin design is RIDICULOUSLY AWESOME, Apparently he didn't know Spider Gwen's name and kept calling her "gwanda" I believe that's the file name on their digital files. We connected talking about samurai and spaghetti westerns films.
That's cool, man. Thanks for sharing! The entire film is a labour of love and the filmmaking talent across all departments is insane.
@@SamsChannelOfficial Most of the artists are on Social media, I highly recommend fallowing Patrick O'Keefe he will be teaching classes on since he's lead visual artists. The character designer I kinda stumbled into so I got to see a lot of the film months early, he did show me a failed Pixar project that he tried to sell to Laika "Shadow King", he was shocked at how much Spider-Man I knew. That project was Henry Selick and with lead pixar guys like Lou Romano and Tony Fucile. I was in awe to hold Tony Fucile line art since he animated Mufasa in the Lion King.
8:00 Thank goodness they didn't get him to voice Peter B, instead they saved him for a much better payoff return in No Way Home.
When I first saw the teaser, I was actually _hoping_ that Peter B. would be "Formerly Fit".
Aunt May knowing about Peter being Spider-Man in the MCU only clears the way for Spider-Man to shift his focus from local problems to global or even cosmic problems.
While I love the MCU spider-man, especially for live action. This is the best spider-man movie of all time. It perfectly encapsulates what Stan Lee and Ditko created and intended for the meaning of the character.
I think these cinematic universes mean that we can have our own preferences. This perfect Spiderman argument perfectly embodies this argument.
Aunt May was kinda like the Madame Web like character
@Jay Youngman what do u mean? I dont understand
Of course Aunt May is supportive, it makes no sense contextually in the MCU for her to be totally okay with Tony Stark, and with Peter interning for him, and then suddenly 180 when she finds out that he's saving the world. Superheros have been a thing for a good decade by the time Peter came onto the scene, so it's not like May would have been clueless. If she had problems with Tony Stark being Iron Man, that would have come up during the Intern push.
Also, I feel it's important to note that you may be thinking of things backwards in terms of the relation between Aunt May and the "perfect" Spiderman. You postulate that it is because that Peter was perfect and figured out life that he was able to bring balance to his personal relationships and integrate them into his superhero life, but I postulate the exact opposite; it's BECAUSE he had Aunt May supporting him, and because he didn't have to shoulder every burden alone that he was CAPABLE of becoming the perfect spiderman.
When you think about it, the entire movie is ultimately about how important it is to have support. Almost every scene in the movie revolved around those aspects in some way; Kingpin was willing to break reality to get his family back. The various villains were constantly NOT supporting each other, but only using each other for their own goals. Mile's Uncle had a falling out with Mile's father, and so he had no support of his own, even though he was acting as a support to Miles. The "perfect" spiderman was the one who had his Aunt May supporting him, the "failure" spiderman was the one who had lost everyone. Miles did not feel supported by his immediate family and turned to his uncle, and then he lost that support. While he was going through his own crisis from that loss, he had the other spidercrew to act as his support and shoulder that burden, and by having that time he was able to pull himself together in order to grow into someone who could return that support, even giving the "failure" spiderman the push he needed to pull his life together and seek out more support.
It isn't that Miles didn't feel he wouldn't have the support, per se--he knew that they'd probably freak out about what happened to him and would be too quick to be--well--parents. He knew that his Uncle Lorenzo would at least listen, and help him figure out how to do this (probably would've gone with him to talk to his folks and try to calm their fears). Miles didn't even know if he wanted to be a hero, he just felt that he at least owed it to P. Parker to try to see his request through.
@@lego4virgo when I say lack of support, I mean lack of support at BEING a hero. Yes, they're obviously very supportive parents, but that's towards being a good student and product member of society; not where he needed the support at that time.
@@GreyAcumen To be honest, Miles wasn't trying to be a hero--he was completely freaked out about what was happening to him, what he had seen with PP's death, and he did consider calling his parents when he hovered over his Dad's number, but he probably didn't know how to explain it without him and his Mom freaking out. Thus he went to his uncle.
Continue your amazing work Sam!
Spider verse is definitely the movie us spidey fans have been waiting for since spider-man 2.
It’s so nostalgic to hear “Cheers for Watching.” Was excited to see your videos back in middle school. Can’t wait for your opinions on non superhero films!!
You’re still the king of talking about Spider-Man. So great to have you back making videos, especially ones with as much insight as this. Good stuff!
I think the problem with the set-up for conflict between the Tom Holland Spider-Man and Aunt May is that the second of his solo movies is not a direct sequel to his first one. Infinity War and Endgame happen in between them and Spidey's involvement in them does not include his relationship with his aunt. He could have come to a compromise with Aunt May before Infinity War and we as the audience just weren't privy to that. So when Far From Home comes around and Aunt May is supportive and encouraging of his Spider-Man alter ego, we feel cheated that we missed any character development and instead are supposed to just accept that we will probably never know any repercussions of Aunt May finding out his identity the way she did. I personally don't mind the fact that his aunt knows his identity; Spider-Man stories at their core are about Peter's struggle to find balance between his life as "Peter Parker" and his life as "Spider-Man." If anything, not having to hide his identity from his aunt has the potential for Peter to have less of a reason to just be "Peter Parker" instead of a full-time "Spider-Man." (Disclaimer that I haven't actually gotten around to watching Far From Home yet; I'm speculating wildly about future-Spidey-character-development here) Awesome video, btw, Into the Spider-verse was a fantastic movie in general and a captivating Spider-Man story specifically!
Wow! " a perfect version of Spiderman is not Spiderman" I couldn't have put it better myself,and that is exactly what Marvel is not getting,peter Parker's life has to suck,thats why many loved Spiderman 2 in the first place,hollands version while visually appealing and has a great introduction in civil war and decent involvement in infinity war,he is just too perfect and life's too easy on him,thats why uncle Ben doesn't matter anymore,because he doesn't face any thing challenging.
Saad olowo I heard there is a possibility that The Perfect Spider-Man/Ultimate Spoderman of the Spiderverse will be brought back to life in sequels so I mean We May see him again, and I have to say I’ll be excited for it. His connection to Miles is one of the best character relationships I’ve seen in Spiderverse and all we got was miles meeting him before he died. But The Way Miles kept his promise to that “Perfect” Spider-Man spills so many layers of someone willing to do the right thing, which really works for me. Honestly if he does come back I’d like to see him meet the team we know in Spiderverse and thank Miles for keeping his side of the promise. Also to comfort his Aunt May and Mary Jane after we saw them grieve over his death.
@Dante Xojyn You're forgetting one key thing: consequences.
Yeah Peter screws up chasing bad guys and they blow up a store. What is the fallout? Nothing.
Peter ditches Ned at Liz's party and fails to "bring Spider-Man" as he promised Flash. Does Ned even get mad? No. Does Peter get made fun of by Flash or anyone for not showing up to the party with Spidey as they expected? No.
Peter has to ditch his science fair field trip to go be Spider-Man. Does his school team lose? No.
Does he even really get in trouble for leaving his class mid-trip? No.
Peter ditches his date for the dance. Is she mad the next day? Nope, its barely even on her radar, and there's another girl who's clearly more interested in him. (also that girl is freaking Zendaya)
Peter carelessly wears the Spidey costume with his door open and Aunt May sees him. Does she freak out or show any sign of disapproval? Nah, she's fine with it.
The only consequence Peter faces in the entirety of Homecoming is Tony taking his suit. You can't pretend like life isn't a little too easy on him in that movie.
Well here’s the thing. Spider-Man’s life DOES NOT need to suck, Uncle Ben shouldn’t HAVE TO matter anymore, we’ve seen him die 2-3 times already. So what’s the point? The director said that Uncle Ben does exist in the MCU we just doesn’t know if he’s dead or not, and if he is and we didn’t see it, it makes sense, because in the end, we all know how Spider-Man starts. It’s not that Peter’s life doesn’t suck, but it doesn’t have to all the time, Peter Parker is not ALONE anymore how he was before, he is with BIGGER and BETTER heroes. This is something shown in Spider-Man Far From Home, Peter has to come to be his OWN person, he has the gifts clearly, he just has to step up, he even deals with the deaths of his sergeant Father, it’s something that he has to deal with in a big way. The MCU Spidey even breaks down after he loses a SINGLE fight to someone he trusted, he almost causes the deaths of his friends and get’s his identity exposed. His life now ‘sucks’ but he is going to make the best of what he can, hopefully Sony just doesn’t use him to make a new movie, they haven’t been good at that LMAO
Once again redefining the term: schadenfreude.
yeah all that was just stupid. He shouldn't even be a kid at this point but oh plot convenience. Spider boy for the last 4 films is not ok guys wake up it's called spiderman.
And the motto for spiderman ps5 is BE YOURSELF because he is different
Spider-Verse has clearly inspired the new game expansion which is great to see.
Spider-Man Into The Spider-Verse is a movie I'm impressed by how did this masterpiece level of an animated movie come from Sony Animation Sony is known for making terrible cash grab movies more then making good ones but yet after Amazing Spider-Man 2 they temporarily redeemed themselves with this movie until Venom Let There be Carnage and Morbius broke that good job Sony.
Another thing to consider is that in the first universe, Peter is in his late 20s. We have no idea of the timeline that occurred. Just because May supported his alter ego by the time we were introduced to him, does NOT mean that she didn’t at some point in time. It’s a fundamental unknown, and is thus, incomparable to MCU Peter who to him, just dealt with the whole May finding out thing.
They did say in the film's background though that peter is our 616 peter, but it's not as important as establishing this film's Peter as recognizable!! It's such a good movie and I love your takes ^^
if you want to see what a perfect spiderman is like, i recommend you watch john semper junior's version of this in the final season of the 90s spiderman show with the metallic spiderman, it's true genius
An interesting conundrum...Wouldn't a "Perfect" version of Spider-Man technically still be alive at the end of the movie? A truly perfect version of Peter Parker would never have died at Kingpin's hands. He would've thrashed the bad guys, stopped the Evil Plan (TM), picked up Miles, and gone on to train him, and the two would've wound up protecting New York as some kind of...Dynamic Duo, I guess. If we're going by Batman comparisons, with May being Peter's Alfred, that would basically make Miles his Robin.
But he didn't. The "Perfect" Peter Parker lost, and wound up dead. And while this sounds like some just sophistry and mincing words, it actually plays to that Peter Parker's role in the story, as it shows the inherent risks that comes with that kind of lifestyle. Sure, he made all the right decisions in life, bonded with his family, balanced the different aspects of his world, and all that stuff. But, at the end of the day, there was still every chance that, one of these days, during one of these battles...it wouldn't be enough. He'd wind up in the fight he couldn't win, and wouldn't walk away from.
It's basically the ultimate manifestation of the demon that has dogged Spider-Man/Peter Parker's personal relationships in ALL of his incarnations, the terrifying notion of someone working a tremendously dangerous job, with the very real chance that it might one day lead to their death, and it's something that Miles gets slapped into the face with at pretty much the very beginning of his own career as Spider-Man. He's only just found out that he's got powers now, and he has to deal with the realization that what happened to a "Perfect" Peter Parker could easily happen to him, even more easily, considering his own inexperience. In many ways, that trauma becomes one of the reasons he has so much difficulty adjusting to his role as a new Spider-Man, and it takes the loss of his uncle to bring him back out of it. In other words, the "Perfect" Peter Parker dies to hit Miles with the gut-punch of the risks inherent to being Spider-Man, and the death of Miles' uncle, the Prowler, serves as the gut-punch as to why, despite that risk, he's still Spider-Man.
I for one think that the supportive May thing is ok. Whether she supports Peter or not is not going to change the fact that he will always have problems, mundane and super. I don't think he has to be completely overwhelmed from all sides at all times. I don't think I'd enjoy happy-go-lucky Tom turning into depression sweats Peter B., or something like anxty peter from the ultimate universe. He's already dealing with Tony's death and alternate dimension stuff and a new budding romance, so it's not like he's shooting the breeze. I will admit, though, that I would like Marissa Tomei's (sorry for spelling) portrayal to have more depth.
One of the things I disliked the most about Rameys spider man movies was how depressing they were. I understand they were meant to show the difficulty in managing two separate lives. But at the same time, for a person as smart as Peter, and how cool having super powers would be I feel a lighter version is just more fun to watch. It's the light at the end of the tunnel as opposed to genre's like grimdark where everything is depressing and bad all the time. Life is depressing enough already, and we as people focus so much more on the bad then the good. Portraying this in story telling is especially difficult and by having your character struggling at every turn may make them more easily relate-able, but I feel a more positive POV can also make sense as a viewer since we see outside looking in. (Also wish fulfillment is nice)
Love this man, works as a retrospective too, taking into account the history and context behind the movie too, keep it up pal ;)
Cheers, gorgeous ;P
Have you heard the news Spiderman is officially out of the MCU so we’re not gonna get another Tom Holland Spiderman movie that’s based on the MCU anymore. However marvel still keep the TV right to Spiderman So The Spiderman Cartoon on Disney XD it’s still going on but it’s so god awful and horribly and laziness written🤢🤢🤢! Without Spiderman we would never have had other teenage superheroes like Danny Phantom,Freakazoid(Dexter Douglas),Kamala Khan and Nova !
A new video from Sam's Channel? Awesome
The Video being about Spider-Man? Can't contain my excitement. I've said it before and I'll say it again. It's great to have you back, Sam.
Spiderman doesn’t have a spider-cave, it’s a spider’s web
Marvel fans, DC fans and star wars fans are getting bigger and bigger
Last I checked this had like 2000 views so I’m so glad this now has 100k+ views. I’ve been watching since your ‘Tobey Maguire - The Perfect Spider-Man’ video and been a massive fan since. Still an excellent video months later. Excellent work Sam! :)
Thank you so much, dude. Really lovely of you to say. Stay safe out there ✌
@@SamsChannelOfficial, you too man :)
A well conceived argument about this very important issue. Into the Spider-verse was easily the best film of last year (easily trumping Infinity War but hey, Spidey fanboy here ha ha). It was a beautiful character study of the character and is easily in league with the first two Raimi films.
Even though I still enjoy the MCU Spidey for different and probably for self defeating reasons as a Spidey fan, even I admit that I wasn't too happy with the Far from Home trailer and hope that the choices they're making with the character are for a good reason besides "eye candy" and "lol Spideys so funny lol" because I would hate for the film to be a disappointment after the amazing year we had for Spider-Man last year. Excluding Venom of course 😅
I wonder how the glitchy spider Tha bited miles, and how Gwen was already in miles universe before the figth of Peter Parker and kingpin
8:56 Just realized that this shot of May sitting in a chair right in front of a large web decoration sort of makes her THIS universe's version of Madame Web, informing Spiderman of the multitude of universes intersecting around his life.
Took you long enough ;)
@@SamsChannelOfficial I got there eventually! :D
Nice to revisit this video again. I honestly think this video deserves more attention not just from comic-book fans but from moviegoers in general.
I watched Spider-Man: Into The Spider-Verse so many times the movie is great
In defense of MCU Spider-Man, I feel people done realize the genius behind how the MCU are/were handling Spider-Man. The plan with MCU Spidey was to have a generational character who would be on board for two, possibly 3 trilogies, because he has the rogues gallery needed to do so. Tom Holland is only 23, and has done 2 Spider-Man movies, the world is his oyster. The way they wanted to do Spider-Man is by him having relatively an “easier” time dealing with villains in high school but the social factors and harsh reality of adulthood as well as the elevation of stakes cause for the character to be challenged far deeper than he thought he ever would. Which is very realistic as being a hero in high school the only consequence would be detention, suspension, expulsion, social isolation or losing a friend-girlfriend, which to us high schoolers is a BIG DEAL however in the broad reality of life it’s just a slap on the wrist. The consequences beyond high school are quite literally MORE REAL AND SIGNIFICANT and almost IRREVERSIBLE, giving real and significant problems at high school is incredibly unrealistic to society as coming from a senior and having an older sibling who graduated, there is a difference when you procrastinate for a test in high school and in college lol let’s just say in high school the effects are more easier to deal with as you can negotiate for “retakes” or you get other chances to fix the grade however in college it’s much more harder to deal with-and that’s only 1 of the many differences between the real world and the protective bubble that is high school(or rather youth). They literally wanted to make a coming of age story with the first trilogy which would be a prequel to the next trilogy where things would get dicey to say the least. If you think about it, MCU Spider-Man is actually on a way very real to the comics in the sense that, Peter’s problems gradually got significantly WORSE as the story progressed, which is what we are seeing right now. In Homecoming we see him trying to stop a thief who uses advanced theft, in FFH we see him trying to stop a manic on the quest for fame and world domination. The intricate way in which the MCU is building this is to perfection, the way they are handling his storyline is perfect. The detail they give in FFH astounded me, if you watch analysis videos(or even just pay close attention to the movie whistle rewatching it) you see that not only do they reference past Spider-Man comic lore on car number plates to give a broader context to that specific scene but they show how in the background Quentin Beck and his team were following Peter before the scene in Venice, showing how meticulously planned the entire ordeal was to get the EDITH glasses. One jarring thing I had with the Maguire Spider-Man(and Andrews...but we don’t talk about that lol) is how in 1 movie he automatically became the perfect Spider-Man in all facets, with the MCU they’re being more realistic in the sense that even after Far From Home Peter still isn’t the perfect Spider-Man but he’s well on his way to being there eventually (they’re waiting for the third movie to officially make him that way). MCU Spider-Man details how hard it is to ACTUALLY be a superhero...it’s not overnight. In Homecoming we learn Spider-Man is still quite afraid of heights during the Washington Monument scene(which could have already been inferred from seeing how throughout the movie he tried sticking close to the ground) and his web slinging needs a little working on as he often sticks low to the ground and still isn’t quite good at maneuvering...in FFH however we see him jump off a jet, and web sling higher and better(now do you see the attention to detail). This are just some of the many things the MCU have done right with the character.
Here’s the hardline question. Would you rather have
A. A Spider-Man more true to the comics but poorly written
Or
B. A Spider-Man that has some diversion to the comics but is written brilliantly.
In my opinion, the MCU’s diversion from the comics is done so brilliantly, that at times I even question the comics themselves. Honestly I just want a well written Spider-Man at this point and don’t mind that it diverts from the comics of DONE RIGHT...which is what the MCU is doing. MCU Spidey is essentially the best way one slightly diverts from the source material.
also I’ve enjoyed EVERY SINGLE SPIDER-MAN movie(yes even Venom lol) no matter where the character goes I’ll still enjoy it(sadly lol)because I LOVE Spider-Man. I’ve found joy and the good in every single Spider-Man adaptation (even that terrible almost unwatchable new Disney adaptation), however one must understand the difference between, a good adaptation and a bad one. As a fanboy, I’m going to enjoy almost every thing related to the thing I fuck with lol I enjoyed all the Transformers and Ninja Turtle movies...but they were ASS. Just because you enjoyed movies don’t mean they are good, but there is a good in every movie as there is bad.
Another great Sam Gavin video about Spider-Man? It's like I'm a teenager again!
Unrelated to the main message of the video, but it just dawned on me how strange it is that the "spider cave" is at Aunt May's house. Wouldn't it be wherever Peter and MJ live? Do they live with Aunt May? because that would be awkward.
Great video, though!
I've missed you old friend....how good it is to have you back
Wow that was super insightful. Keep it up, glad to see you're still creating new content.
I enjoy each of the live-action versions to different extents, but Spider-Man was born to thrive in animation.
peter b is a perfect spiderman he acts and sometimes respects other people his life is a mess but he kept his alternate versions promise to train miles
Peter Parker or miles’ universe was not a character, he was a symbol, he was put there to make the plot progress and make miles have a goal. Peter Parker overall had a better life and I always hear ppl say “Peter B is just Peter in the future”. Except even if Peter Parker did get tired he’s still got MJ, everyone loves him (not so much is Peter b’s universe) and aunt may.
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Great to have you back dude. Been a big fan for years now and glad to see you've matured and grown over that time.
I miss The Spectacular Spider-Man, Avenger Earth Mightiest Heroes and Wolverine and The X-men Because they were able to capitalize on the Marvel characters properly. Now that Spiderman is out of the MCU Marvel is going to need a new replacement I recommend Kamala Khan, The Sentry, Hercules, Jack of Hearts, Silver Surfer,Adam Warlock,Nova,Kamala Khan and Spider-Woman!
Glad to have you back, Sam! And with a Spider-Man video too!
I absolutely love this version of spider-man and probably the best version I found in a tough time I'm dealing with at the moment... currently I'm having trouble balancing 3 different lives I have.. School...Personal and a future job. I just recently been moody and tired mentally.
"Deep down, we are all Spider-Man." - the story of the everyperson. That's why the character endures time and time again. Hope you find that balance, dude. We're all looking to achieve it.
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Thanks my dude 🙂👍
I really like perfect Pete,he was really cool, it was nice to see everything go well for Spidey for once, also he was blonde lol
Damn this video was superb! I personally like the MCU Spiderman but you definitely make some great points here. Even made me rethink a lot about this "amazing" property. Great job dude!
Now I have an idea. What if there could be a spider-verse tv series. 12 episode season's 2 episodes per character and it's essentially a what if. What if peter b led a good life, what if blonde Peter never died and mentored miles, what if Gwen's peter died,what if peni's dad never died, what if may porker never bit spider-ham, and what if vulture never ate uncle ben in spider-man Niro's world. Ofcourse it wouldn't be in the style of ITSV but rather the spider-manshort
The most fascinating thing to me about spiderman is he is truly a superhero for every one some people prefer spidy to be serious others prefer him to be silly, while others want a middle ground.Theirs a take for every one you. Don't like this run of the character read this. Don't care for this movie version watch this version. In many ways across all media at this point he is a hero for every one.
Great video Sam you once again show your brilliant understanding of the Spider-Man characters in a thought out, coherent analysis.
I was sent by HiTop Films and I’m so glad I was!
This is fantastic analysis Sammy boy! You're an inspiration, and I will shove this in many people's faces. Looking forward to more of your content.
I'm sure kid before this movie know that Miles is Spider-Man because the Peter is dead. It's no surprise that Peter dies because the story is about Miles becoming Spider-Man. It's like saying it's a shock Uncle Ben died. It's been a thing for like ten years. No ultimate fan didn't talk about it or of that time when Doctor Octopus became Spider-Man for a while. Or when they brought Peter back to life in that universe. While Disney had only animated Miles like in one cartoon a few years prior, the only ways, aside from the obvious one, that peeps wouldn't know Peter has to die for Miles to be Spider-Man is that most people forgot, don't care to talk about it, or were the types who despite knowing how has to happen will still find Uncle Ben's death shocking because "Kid's film". It feels like the notion of "Kid's Films" these days are being conflated with babies and toddlers.
SO happy you did this
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Absolutely brilliant! Keep up the phenomenal work Sam :)
Quite funny actualy. While not seen in the movie itself. There is the christmas song single that the "perfect" peter parker made (like he said at the prologue) where after a minute or two of singing hes just having quite a mental breakdown about living the rest of his live crime fighting, not having a degree of sorts and just singing in a christmas "hit". Makes me wonder that maybe if that spiderman didnt die, he would eventually become like peter b and be weared out and depressed. Wich means alot about what is the lifestyle of being a Spiderman
That's a great observation! I love how they legitimately got Chris Pine in a sound booth to record five christmas jingles for the hell of it without those songs even appearing in the movie. It helps give dimension to that version of the character and more Pine voice work is never a bad thing. They went above and beyond for that movie.
So glad you're back Sam! You have no idea how I missed your content
Another great video Sam. Great to have you back!!!
Amazing video man. Into-The-Spider-verse is one of my favorite movies of 2018.
The decline of the comic book industry can be directly linked to the turning of our heros from characters to titles. Anyone can be spiderman, Thor, Captain America, etc and therefore It's no longer unique and therefore there is no longer any emotional involvement, it's slowly drained from the franchise.
Sometimes you need to retire the jersey, maybe not because the man was great but perhaps because it's time for a new legend to begin.
@@HazzronIV Sales numbers contradict your statement. Before they felt the need to replace legacy heroes or make their name a title so that anyone could be them. Or somehow tried to lessen their impact to because they sold the movie rights to another company. The comic book industry is diminished because the diminished their heroes, because they were too cis, too male, too white in their eyes
That's why you retire the jersey (costume) so you can make a new one for a new hero (originality). You might try brushing up on your vocab a little, your phrasing is a tad incoherent.
This is a great example because Spider-Man is always helping people but nobody helps him
Some good points. You missed a trick near the beginning, should have had an action shot of Peter jumping out a window when you say 'The Spiderman law has been thrown out the window'