Red Stars Over America: Exploring China's Shadowy Presence in Pre-War America

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  • @Vaultboy-ke2jj
    @Vaultboy-ke2jj Год назад +72

    There’s also the Chinese Stealth Armour found in Hoover Dam in New Vegas, which is from an attempted sabotage

    • @The_Lucent_Archangel
      @The_Lucent_Archangel Год назад +6

      Sadly the bit about that and the true origin of the New Plague as a US bio-weapon isn't fully considered official canon. About the closest thing to it is the Red Chinese bunker under the Whitespring in 76 in terms of a serious security breach.

    • @Vaultboy-ke2jj
      @Vaultboy-ke2jj Год назад +8

      @@The_Lucent_Archangel it doesn’t have to have anything to do with the new plague. It’s a nod to it but it’s just some captured stealth armour from a canon game.

  • @GSCBrowning
    @GSCBrowning 7 месяцев назад +12

    Hear me out:
    Any way you put it, USA Military and PRC Military aesthetics are terrific in Fallout. Even the propaganda versions are sick (looking at the Subjugator and Armor Ace). Operation Anchorage exemplifies the Chinese side and the Enclave exemplifies the American side. Either way, Fallout’s military art direction is spot on.

  • @drunkenmmamaster419
    @drunkenmmamaster419 Год назад +20

    Wish Fallout 4 dipped more into this lore with the hidden PLA broadcasts and bases

    • @devinmease
      @devinmease Месяц назад

      Yeah, it's weird they didn't include any Chinese bases in fallout 4, given how many locations held secrets that would be important to China.
      It would've been cool to find a Chinese intelligence bunker. Maybe close to fort strong, gathering intelligence on the development of the fat man.

  • @saturn12002
    @saturn12002 Год назад +168

    Im pretty mad about the captain zao cut content, taking a Chinese nuclear sub to an underwater vault sounds incredible. Then again, and underwater vault doesn't seem to make much sense

    • @markcarpenter6020
      @markcarpenter6020 Год назад +48

      Makes a good bit when you realize water is a natural radiation blocker.

    • @saturn12002
      @saturn12002 Год назад +13

      @@markcarpenter6020 but how would they get people there? Every vault was essentially built for human experimentation. Save for a few control vaults. We know that most prewar Americans were taken almost by complete surprise, and many didn't even think the bombs were actually falling. Even with vault tecs early warning, I don't see them successfully getting people to an underwater vault in the ocean, in a timely manor.

    • @markcarpenter6020
      @markcarpenter6020 Год назад +45

      @@saturn12002 just have it connected to land by a tunnel. You can even point out the tunnel was damaged or collapsed by the bombs in the game. It dosent have to be very far offshore to work as a vault. Just in maybe 100 -150 foot depth range.(that can be within half a mile of shore)

    • @evandaymon8303
      @evandaymon8303 Год назад +18

      That and you do remember there is such thing as rich people who could afford to get to that vault.
      There is also a mod that restore the underwater vault by simply putting a elevator that leads to a underground tunnel which you have to go through a port hole into the water to get to the vault. If i am correct there used to be a small submarine which will take people to vault.
      Also it’s fallout none of things they do make sense logically. You don’t necessarily turn to a ghoul when taking high radiation amounts you freaking die a slow painful death

    • @concept5631
      @concept5631 Год назад +1

      ​@@markcarpenter6020 Yeah that's what I was thinking as well

  • @MrAsianPie
    @MrAsianPie Год назад +118

    7:30 considering how powerful the family was, the Calvert mansion could be one in a mere string of mansions. The house could’ve laid empty with a skeleton crew most of the year and so was a great place for Chinese agents to squat.

    • @miguellimaverde4545
      @miguellimaverde4545 Год назад +3

      What a small world! I've actually watched some of your content before! Pretty neat 👍

    • @Marxist-Leninist_BellaLabDog
      @Marxist-Leninist_BellaLabDog 8 месяцев назад +1

      Honestly the idea that the Calvert Family played both the People's Republic of China and the USA during the Resource Wars isn't too big of a stretch to consider.

  • @Gadgetman1989
    @Gadgetman1989 Год назад +42

    1:24 not to mention how if you use resurrect command on these two, they will be hostile to each other and whoever wins, they will then go after the player...but generally it's a deathmatch as they are both about equal

    • @hotmailcompany52
      @hotmailcompany52 Год назад +9

      more than likely developer leftovers but I like to imagine they went crazy being locked down there together trying to survive the fallout from nukes they didn't expect

    • @Gadgetman1989
      @Gadgetman1989 Год назад +6

      @@hotmailcompany52 that's what I thought too when I first tested it, sure is a neat thing to stumble upon, as most bodies don't do anything when you do that else wise

  • @myschloss
    @myschloss Год назад +29

    Point Lookout’s Velvet Curtain was a perfect example (as mentioned in the video) of this. You find out about a Chinese Secret Agent-Dr. Jiang-finish her mission, and find out what would have awaited her.
    While minor, I think it’s worth mentioning the Little Yangtze Camp in the Big MT. Because it held Chinese prisoners, a good amount of them were probably spies.

    • @DiocletianLarius
      @DiocletianLarius Год назад

      I think Little Yangtze held mostly Chinese-American people, detained after the Executive Order 99066 (which is a reference to the real world Executive Order 9066 of Roosevelt, that put Japanese-American people in concentration camps)

  • @purplepioneer5644
    @purplepioneer5644 Год назад +43

    Nietzsche was right in our universe too, at least in part. When he said “god is dead, and we killed him” he was not boasting, he was talking about how advances in science and industrialization etc had “killed” the role the church/god held in western societies. He then went on to talk about how people will try to fill this void with many different things; a process still ongoing.

    • @MutantCyborg001
      @MutantCyborg001 Год назад

      Bruh Nietzsche is just another guy who shares his opinions, God doesn't exist neither Allah or Buddha, you people are just uneducated, that's all.

  • @f.7681
    @f.7681 Год назад +80

    N_orte is favoured, a bot comment chain! He can now say hes sucessful and support Fallout's work and the Church of Bethesda.

    • @alpha_9997
      @alpha_9997 Год назад +7

      Man versus machine, we must make sure the chain does not takeover

    • @NCRVeteranRanger
      @NCRVeteranRanger Год назад +8

      “The Church of Bethesda”
      Praise be to our lord & savior, Godd Howard. 🙏

    • @Ilikebugs2464
      @Ilikebugs2464 Год назад +7

      ​@@alpha_9997hope I get some australium

    • @alpha_9997
      @alpha_9997 Год назад +4

      @@Ilikebugs2464 better give me some

    • @istoleyunomilesbigmac
      @istoleyunomilesbigmac Год назад +1

      @@Ilikebugs2464 wuhuhu

  • @Hexoutdoors
    @Hexoutdoors Год назад +34

    Love your fallout lore videos man. I can’t get enough. I remember when I first played Fallout 3. It was such a mind f*ck. I was reading every terminal anything I could get my hands on to learn the history of what/why fallout happened. I didn’t know anything about the previous games.

    • @blackwaltz3135
      @blackwaltz3135 Год назад +1

      same here, my brain was a sponge, and fallout new vegas came...... then eventually fallout 4 lol it was a gold mine

  • @KaitoGillscale
    @KaitoGillscale Год назад +33

    I’ve always found it fun to get in-character playing an RPG, so with my Fallout 76 character I made up a story that my character was a Chinese double-agent infiltrating America to usher in communism, with my front being an Enclave agent. So “in public” I have the enclave officer uniform on with a normal home, but in a room locked off from the rest of my base it’s all red propaganda and a Red Shift power armor set I use for raids. Is it excessive? Sure. But if Bethesda isn’t gonna give me more content I’ll make my own!

    • @lazwardazure716
      @lazwardazure716 Год назад +1

      That Chinese Assault Rifle Skin Works as well. Also Gauss Weapons are apparently of Chinese origin (if the Gauss Minigun being the one from Fallout Tactics can still be believed)

    • @Supersonicspyro
      @Supersonicspyro 11 месяцев назад

      ​@@lazwardazure716wait there's a Chinese assault rifle skin?

  • @DiocletianLarius
    @DiocletianLarius Год назад +8

    I know it's probably a game thing, but I find weird that a lot of these Chinese remnants and troopers didn't attempt to take over the US after the bombs fell. I'm sure the Great War was unexpected for most of them (besides the Yangtze submarine), but what better opportunity to conquer an enemy country than during the chaos of a post-nuclear war? Even if there was no longer a country to conquer, the Chinese should've tried to secure government centers and military bases at least, that's how I imagine the origins of the Chinese/Shi's San Francisco.

    • @justinl4412
      @justinl4412 8 месяцев назад +6

      The chinese were only maintaining relatively small groups of spies in the states when the bombs fell. Even if they could still focus on the goal of conquering the US instead of trying to get home, they probably didnt have the numbers or the firepower to defeat the remnants of the US army or tame the general anarchy/violence of any areas of importance.

    • @DiocletianLarius
      @DiocletianLarius 8 месяцев назад

      @@justinl4412 oh yeah, it makes sense

  • @MarrockV
    @MarrockV Год назад +3

    Along with Piper and Nick, Zao is one of my favorite NPCs.

  • @kedarriussimpson1085
    @kedarriussimpson1085 Год назад +8

    Someone actually playing fallout in third person...
    Respect 🙏

    • @dudepool7530
      @dudepool7530 3 месяца назад

      I actually have an easier time in 3rd.
      I only go into 1st person for looting usually.
      I'm such a weird player, I've been playing since 3 came out, and just this year started using chems! No reason, just never bothers.
      Yes, us crazy people do exist.

  • @Dealerofdeath1998
    @Dealerofdeath1998 Год назад +5

    Keep making your wholesome content bro love it ❤

  • @DuneRunnerEnterprises
    @DuneRunnerEnterprises Год назад +4

    Excellent info gathering,and presentation!!

  • @korbens.8960
    @korbens.8960 Год назад +24

    You forgot about Mama Dolce factory in Fallout 3. There’s a few alive Chinese Remnants that are hostile in there. 9:29

    • @Vaultboy-ke2jj
      @Vaultboy-ke2jj Год назад +2

      Erm no he didn’t, you missed that part of the video?

    • @korbens.8960
      @korbens.8960 Год назад +6

      @@Vaultboy-ke2jj I thought he was doing it by game. Only watched until he started doing fallout 4. May bad! Thanks for letting me know. 12:53

  • @st.anselmsfire3547
    @st.anselmsfire3547 Год назад +4

    It's weird that the water is irradiated in Fallout. Water absorbs radiation pretty quick. The only thing radioactive enough that you'd still be getting rads from the shallows centuries later is ion exchanger resin. Even bombs wouldn't do that.

    • @lurkingone7079
      @lurkingone7079 Год назад +3

      Radiation in Fallout is a bit weird. Seeing how it may cause visions, immortality, psychic powers etc. Its easier to compare it to magic energy.

    • @jasperlazuly6623
      @jasperlazuly6623 Год назад

      ​@@lurkingone7079 or is explained for dunwich borers demon maeby?
      I dont talk very english, sorry my errors

    • @DiocletianLarius
      @DiocletianLarius Год назад

      Yeah I read somewhere that after 200 years the radiation should've disappeared from most of the Wasteland, considering what happened with Hiroshima and Nagasaki in our timeline, but I guess making the game "realistic" would kill most of the aesthetic and mechanics.
      The Mojave is pretty clean though, thanks to House's missile defense system.
      In the same sense, Fallout's radiation follows many old and incorrect beliefs we always had from pop culture like "radiation is green" or "nuclear war=nuclear winter", etc.

    • @dudepool7530
      @dudepool7530 3 месяца назад

      Dear Bethesda,
      ITS ME... AUSTIN! 😂

  • @graylyhen9490
    @graylyhen9490 10 месяцев назад

    The numbers station op they were pulling was insane. I love that kind of stuff in this series. The Point Lookout submarine was another big one

  • @Sillygoober2006
    @Sillygoober2006 Год назад +13

    Man i love this content you should do a fallout 76 lore video next perhaps

    • @theendofdays2285
      @theendofdays2285 Год назад

      agree.

    • @YazzPott
      @YazzPott Год назад +1

      ZzzzZzZZzzz
      Joking, but it depends on what parts. Some of it is a fucking mess. The raider lore is pretty good though, which I believe he has already made videos about.

    • @user-yy3sy5km2z
      @user-yy3sy5km2z Год назад +1

      What else was a mess the only thing i could think of was the brotherhood expedition the rest of the lore was pretty fucking good from what i seen

  • @lindelheimen
    @lindelheimen Год назад +6

    Oh dang can’t wait to watch this one!

  • @YazzPott
    @YazzPott Год назад +5

    Banger video as always, my Canadian brother

    • @YazzPott
      @YazzPott Год назад

      @@user-71675 nope, I am not a bot user-71675

  • @ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz
    @ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz Год назад +26

    Nice. Personally i ruin the plans for the captain of the Yangzee, because Nate is a soldier and literally saw the bombs that were launched from that very sub just a few weeks ago, the bombs that started his current living nightmare.
    I can do roleplay better than bethesda can do writing.

    • @SuperLumianaire
      @SuperLumianaire Год назад +13

      He actually seems remorseful. I spare him and help him so he can go home and rebuild his home. I hate commies, but he is no longer an enemy and he did not start a fight.

    • @forestcreatureyt
      @forestcreatureyt Год назад +23

      Your character was no different to the Captain: two survivors of a pointless war long over. War caused the end, why continue the bloodshed over long dead nations?

    • @YazzPott
      @YazzPott Год назад +7

      The fact you can ruin it, is the roleplay you are asking for. FO4 is bad when it come to rpg mechanics, but you have the option. I personally can understand him. If I recall, he feels guilty, and that the whole war was pointless.
      Hes not that different than the poor americans that committed brutal acts and died for some oil companies. (Im not american)

    • @squiglemcsquigle8414
      @squiglemcsquigle8414 Год назад

      At the start of fallout 4 in nates speech he doesn't sound like he is pro war tbh.

  • @dustyclink1468
    @dustyclink1468 Год назад +5

    Wake up babe, new N_orte video dropped

  • @anzaca1
    @anzaca1 Год назад +1

    16:55 Kinda want to try 76 now. Looks fun.

  • @DerNomade1871
    @DerNomade1871 Год назад +4

    2:26
    Translation into English commoner tongue is apparently "The abyss also into you" which also would explain why it makes no sense given its a partial quote

  • @Grimpy970
    @Grimpy970 Год назад +20

    The writers are really showing their inexperience with firearms and military doctrine here. They talk about a covert Chinese base being stocked with 1200 'units' of ammunition. I speak from experience when I say a thousand rounds of ammo will run dry in one afternoon if you're doing basic target practice for 5 people. A combat loadout usually includes up to 150 rounds per person. You're looking at 750 being carried on patrols or actions by a 5 man group

    • @zjjohnson3827
      @zjjohnson3827 Год назад +2

      While you are almost certainly right about Bethesda not knowing their stuff, I suppose I can kinda twist my brain and say “the Chinese kept a very very small supply of ammo so as to not draw undue attention to large purchases and transport of ammunition.”

    • @girf4233
      @girf4233 Год назад +6

      this is assuming this "unit" means a single bullet. Which is unlikely. Otherwise they would've likely said "rounds" or "bullets"

    • @forestcreatureyt
      @forestcreatureyt Год назад +7

      What are you considering a "unit"? It could be a truckload, a magazine, etc.

    • @MatthewFavorite1927
      @MatthewFavorite1927 Год назад +14

      On some of the terminals in the base it talks about how their requests for more ammo and supplies keep getting denied so I think they are just under supplied

    • @katanah3195
      @katanah3195 Год назад +3

      @@MatthewFavorite1927 Reminds me of some of the NCR bases in New Vegas, where the leadership will bitch to the player about being undersupplied and ignored.

  • @wubbo3675
    @wubbo3675 Год назад +2

    It's crazy how much chinese stuff I've missed while wondering the wastes

  • @GamingWithVector
    @GamingWithVector Год назад +1

    Bruh where's the New Vegas Hoover Dam spy

  • @Bigvenomsnakeboss
    @Bigvenomsnakeboss 4 месяца назад

    Wait they had sweet and sour stroganoff? Nd one even batted an eye at that? Bro that some drunk stuff, the hell wouldn't anyone question that?

    • @dudepool7530
      @dudepool7530 3 месяца назад

      Vim Captains Blend.
      'Nuff said.

  • @themangledwither
    @themangledwither Год назад +3

    I think the commando encounter is labeled in the game as downed pilot so uhh guess we found a paratrooper

  • @Lumberjack_king
    @Lumberjack_king 5 месяцев назад

    I’ve always wondered why Chiba became the 2nd super power instead of the ussr

  • @humonculeverotostre6804
    @humonculeverotostre6804 Год назад

    My boy rocking the bloodied stealth handmade build. I'm proud. Stay filthy my friend

  • @spider-spectre
    @spider-spectre Год назад +6

    Almost as if the writers were trying to tell us something.....

    • @spider-spectre
      @spider-spectre Год назад +1

      Chinese spies in the american system, large rich corpo chinese traitors, China mobilizing on to American soil through businesses, owning land before any conflict or war is started, American traitors tempted with nice words and bribes, China have full control over many different production lines of America (Made In China)

    • @forestcreatureyt
      @forestcreatureyt Год назад +8

      ​@@spider-spectre are you ignoring the fact the USA wasn't the good guy in Fallout? The Enclave, various horrifying projects, rampant poverty and evil companies...

    • @cherry9787
      @cherry9787 Год назад +8

      ​@@forestcreatureyt Remove "in fallout"

    • @spider-spectre
      @spider-spectre Год назад +1

      @@forestcreatureyt Authoritarian governments are the problem. What point are you trying to make? That the Chinese are the good guys? Regardless of what you think of America in Fallout or irl, if YOU are an American, why would you want to be at the mercy of an invader? You literally have a better chance with the Enclave, Vaults etc. than getting shot on sight by a Chinese soldier yelling "Sǐguǐ lǎo!"

    • @spider-spectre
      @spider-spectre Год назад +1

      @@forestcreatureyt The game is telling you to not be a sellout, that America has become a sellout to its values to a quick buck, utilizing Chinese slave labor for cheap products which Americans are addicted to consuming thus work endlessly to buy dumb cheap plastic and useless gadgets. And through this, the corrupt have taken power with great funds, those with sadistic, self centered, narcissistic views now control the workings of government and the biggest businesses. Corrupt AMericans who betray their people for selfish benefit are the Enclave, Vault Tec, Worker corps like Hornwright, who fed off and even benefited from the conflict with China, taking the fear and propaganda to allow them free reign on how to steer the country.

  • @sovelissfiremane
    @sovelissfiremane Год назад +1

    Oh shit, new N_orte video just dropped

  • @WhimsicalLittledawg
    @WhimsicalLittledawg Год назад +1

    Wow, this is cool!
    AND COOL HAT!

  • @Violet_Imp
    @Violet_Imp 8 месяцев назад

    You missed the agents in New Vegas

  • @jesusmunoz6161
    @jesusmunoz6161 Год назад

    I’m so glad he said Maryland right

  • @trippyjosh6795
    @trippyjosh6795 Год назад

    what best time to watch this video then 4th of july? lol

  • @delmuswu-tangbroadnax9056
    @delmuswu-tangbroadnax9056 Год назад +3

    Ever since Subnautica i havent been able to bring myself to explore the ocean in video games even in Minecraft lmao

    • @dudepool7530
      @dudepool7530 3 месяца назад +1

      Huh.
      My biggest disappointment in fallout is the lack of oceanic combat. With all the corpses of mutated dolphins on the beaches of the commonwealth, I spent at least an hour swimming around trying to find what took a bite on my first playthrough.
      Then there's the disappointment of the pointless piping on the sea floor....

  • @AmalekIsComing
    @AmalekIsComing Год назад

    Yeah

  • @gatorcroc7212
    @gatorcroc7212 Год назад

    Seriously where can we get the pip boy art of your videos?? Share I want that as a tattoo

  • @guitarplayer5559
    @guitarplayer5559 Год назад +1

    I was trying to find our where that fucking whirring sound was coming from for the first 5 minutes of this video. Audio is a bit fucked.

  • @dillpickel6767
    @dillpickel6767 Год назад

    I really do think about the other country’s and how they thought

  • @theodorekaczynski8147
    @theodorekaczynski8147 Год назад

    17:10 isn’t this the plot of Van Buren?

  • @dudepool7530
    @dudepool7530 3 месяца назад

    "Who but China knows where China is and has been?"
    The Zetans. The Zetans *ALWAYS* know!

  • @Matt-md5yt
    @Matt-md5yt Год назад +1

    Thanks for this one. I sometimes wonder about the enemy. Also didn't know about the Pitt thing

    • @YazzPott
      @YazzPott Год назад

      *your enemies enemy

  • @forestcreatureyt
    @forestcreatureyt Год назад +16

    It's crazy how many people play Fallout, and somehow miss the point of "war is bad and the greed of nations will end the world" and then go parrot propaganda in real life.

    • @YazzPott
      @YazzPott Год назад +2

      Hahah big green guy wants milk lmao 😂😂

    • @MutantCyborg001
      @MutantCyborg001 Год назад

      Most fallout fans are weird, don't expect them to understand philosophy or history, most of them are just rednecks or weirdos who live in their mom's basements.

  • @jayl5032
    @jayl5032 Год назад +1

    "Where was China?'
    Oh I dunno m8, somewhere out East I reckon.
    *laugh track and clapping with woops and hollers*
    Heheh thank you, thank you, I'll be here all week.

  • @isaacfullerton
    @isaacfullerton 4 месяца назад

    You know?

  • @FecklessandKekless
    @FecklessandKekless Год назад

    "Where did that guy even come from"
    Thats how the *REDS* are y'know... he was probably your neighbor... cant trust anyone these days. Stay vigilant, patriot

  • @xxcrazymanxx1001
    @xxcrazymanxx1001 Год назад

    There just needs to be a fan made fallout just slapped with a generic name

  • @Bunni-Boiii
    @Bunni-Boiii Год назад

    His voice sounds different I'm this one???

  • @ds2og
    @ds2og Год назад +1

    I love your videos cuh

  • @ralphsloka.
    @ralphsloka. Год назад

    its zao not žau

  • @ricktherockandroller
    @ricktherockandroller Год назад

    Canadian a?

  • @nolanrueckert8061
    @nolanrueckert8061 Год назад

    I love roleplaying like a Chinese communist in fallout 4

  • @dominicsouthern7672
    @dominicsouthern7672 Год назад

    Where was the Kuomintang during all of this? Wouldnt they help in tje conflict or wouldve been in US propaganda

  • @resdyne9590
    @resdyne9590 Год назад +2

    Seems in the fallout universe the neo liberal hegemom needed the same type of boogeyman that our universe did. Red scare, death squads, cold War turned hot.

  • @kamerongrossi3471
    @kamerongrossi3471 Год назад +1

    Love your shit my guy!!!

  • @skippy-the-destroyer
    @skippy-the-destroyer Год назад

    For the Algorithm! Lol good vid.

  • @GH0STUN1T
    @GH0STUN1T Год назад +10

    I wanna play as the honorable communist China in fallout 5. Long live communism! 👻

    • @Cat-uv7dy
      @Cat-uv7dy Год назад +11

      Honorable and communist aren’t words that go together

    • @ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz
      @ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz Год назад +10

      ​@@Cat-uv7dy but every Fallout game lets you play as a good communist.
      By letting ones health points reach 0.

    • @GH0STUN1T
      @GH0STUN1T Год назад

      @Cat-uv7dy I think you are confused communist is a form of goverment that puts community above all else. Capitalism is the true evil as they put money above all else case and point 26k die every year from lack of medical coverage in america cuz they cant afford it. Take care comrade.

    • @jordanashmore5643
      @jordanashmore5643 Год назад +5

      Booo! Booo! Booo communism!

    • @jordanashmore5643
      @jordanashmore5643 Год назад +4

      @@GH0STUN1T the taxes that fund those programs were voted for democratically. And when taxes are raised that is voted on as well. DEMOCRATICALLY.

  • @itsjykee
    @itsjykee Год назад +1

    I was hoping he’d put a trump meme when he said China

  • @ryanhelm1813
    @ryanhelm1813 Год назад

    420th like.