Fallout's Bloodiest Pre-War Event
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
- The years leading up to Fallout's Great War were not pleasant. An energy crisis, food shortages, and the fear of automation were problems that plagued the Everyman. Change was needed. Unfortunately, the right changes were not on their way. For the employees at one Appalachian power plant, a retrofit threatened to leave the plants workers unemployed. And unbeknownst to many, the resulting protest would turn out to be on of Fallout's bloodiest Pre-War events. This is the Poseidon Energy Riots.
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the second I heard "Boston-based chemical company" I out loud said "they're fucked"
SAME
I literally paused the video and did a whole "ya there fucked thing" glad to no I wasn't alone
"They'ah wicked fahked"
Wow thread full of losers
Yeah cause people in Boston are overly entitled and self righteous
I hate how close to real this prewar lore is starting to sound
It always has been, look up examples like "Battle of Blair Mountain" and much more
Because people get their ideas from the world around them
PLA ftw
I literally just came here to say check out the Battle of Blair Mountain
Same here man it's a little scary
Maybe we need to fight for our rights and put some heads on pikes
We need Change before it's too late
considering how unapologetically cruel and straight up evil both U.S. corporations, Government, and Military are in Fallout i'm inclined to believe the security chief.
Me too, it fits the aesthetic of the series far too well. Plus, why else would someone have reason to remotely wipe his computer if not to hide everything he stated he confessed to? In the Fallout universe, that kind of thing screams coverup.
You’ll likely find this comment to be edgy but they are like that in reality (real life) as well, history proves this time and time again.
@@cjthebeesknees battle of blair mountain moment
He was still okay with protesters being turned on each other. For it makes him no batter than those whose orders he was "just following".
Agreed.
As an engineer and technician, I found and find to this day, with any level of automation, It took and takes trained and educated personnel to maintain and service the new equipment. It is the same with AI technology. ***
Remember the history of the region of Appalachia. In the 20's and during WW 1 and WW 2, coal mining companies were given National Guard assets to put down the strikes and protests. The coal miners' war did not go well for the US ARMY Calvary, as the miners went into the wilderness and engaged in guerrilla hit-and-run tactics. This finally resulted in the coal-producing states and coal companies negotiating and allowing the miners to unionize without harassment and negotiate more equitable contracts for the workers. Snipers killing company owners and owners' families and company management and foremen and the miners ambushing the Guard and US regulars, and blowing up mines and mining equipment with company TNT was the last straw for the company and the government. They capitulated to the worker's demands to unionize. That is history you do not get taught.
yeah they don't teach it because they don't want people growing up to know that resisting the government actually works.
@MaliwanElemental except it doesn't, the results of the coal wars was terrible for the minors and unions, they didn't rebound for a decade until after the great depression under the new deal. The only victory was increased awareness of their conditions. You don't fight the govt and win, you get the govt on your side and win.
There's so much more that can be done with the rust belt than leaving it to rot as it seems it is now. Chemical plants dot the landscape and old mining lands are mostly left barren and hazardous.
I've never seen so many pest insects alongside the lack of birds, pollinators, and other wildlife, than in the area I just moved to. I hope to change that.
As an engineer and technician too, yes, but I also know it takes less people to do a automated jobs. Now with creative jobs being at risk too, there's a risk of people getting left behind.
A great man once said: "The wars of the future will not be fought on the battlefield or at sea. They will be fought in space, or possibly on top of a very tall mountain. In either case, most of the actual fighting will be done by small robots. And as you go forth today remember always your duty is clear: To build and maintain those robots."
What's horrific is that this was only one event of a protest that turned into a massacre in the Pre-War.
There were several others that were ended violently, not the least in Canada where innocent citizens were shot dead in the streets for protesting the illegal annexation of their nation.
"Our Dedicated Boys Keep The Peace In Newly Annexed Canada"
now now now its not illegal if they dont have a govrenment anymore.
@@eg_manifest510 *kills an innocent Canadian and casually waves at the camera*
Freaking out ragous eh
@@imnotaracistokay He was a Canadian soldier, dude had Combat Armor
It's sad that fallout 4s intro is soo clean and quick knowing how much the u.s was falling apart with stuff like the new plague, riots, martial law.
Looking at the good things about Fallout 4, the intro was definitely one of my favorite parts. Represented how in that timeline, at first things were prosperous, but in time it all fell apart, and the world was becoming increasingly unstable. War erupting, economies falling apart, alliances breaking, no resources, the world was chaos.
Not every place would be hit the same. Just like the pandemic had shown.
This reminds me of what happened to the bonus marchers in the great depression except instead of hallucinogenic gas they used tanks
I mean there's alot of irl examples of shit like this all over the world.
The Haymarket martyrs, Battle of Blair Mountain then you have more modern examples like the Oka crisis in Canada along with similar events in the States.
State and Capital are not our friends.
A branch of my family is made up of West Virginia and Virginia miners. There's a reason why they are both armed and have an almost paranoid distrust of corporations and the federal government.
@Carla's Ghost Ey an injury to one is an injury to all.
Solidarity from the UK. ❤️🖤
@@carlasghost656 bruh show them this i wanna see their opinions
Edit: as in the video
Man Fallout lore is limitless. The writers really invest quality time coming up with scenarios for this universe. The environmental storytelling never gets old.
everything except the enclave.
and then ... piper
@@justanamericandoggo6725 God bless the Enclave
They don't have to "come up" with scenarios when history is right there
This incident is the closest we'll ever get to what would happen if the Rage Virus from 28 Days Later was in the Fallout Universe.
76 has some really dark lore, it's sad the stigma of 76 stops many from experiencing them
Yep. I played almost 300hrs before the big updates that came after the one that brought back NPCs. I still miss that game, and it would be awesome if it was a single player experience.
I mean the stigma start, unironically by Bethesda themselves. For not originally included NPC survivors to give context and hints of the lore.
@Chad J. Roberts Also it being a buggy mess full of microtransactions.
It's not "stigma" that keeps people from playing. It's janky gameplay, afterthought implementation of mechanics, bugs...
the gameplay is too grindy like going through early game missions the gear most enemies drop is just pipe gear and whatever hunting rifles with very underwhelming beginning areas. even playing the pitt requires tedious challenges to even experience the content. even if there are NPCS the best lore is usually coming from environmental story telling like terminals. Especially because they add upon what we know . Most NPCS in this game are boring and make you wanna skip dialogue. The game isn’t for everyone but this game lives in its predecessors shadows without a doubt. I’ve never had a single amount of fun with this game only during the beta because it was new and interesting. dungeons in fallout 76 just don’t feel rewarding and are a waste of time.
“It is we who plowed the prairies, built the cities where they trade
Dug the mines and built the workshops, endless miles of railroad laid
Now we stand outcast and starving midst the wonders we have made
But the union makes us strong”
Good topic to cover. Pre-war events are very underrated in the Fallout universe.
"If machines produce everything we need, the outcome will depend on how things are distributed. Everyone can enjoy a life of luxurious leisure if the machine-produced wealth is shared, or most people can end up miserably poor if the machine-owners successfully lobby against wealth redistribution. So far, the trend seems to be toward the second option, with technology driving ever-increasing inequality."
Stephen Hawking, 2015 Reddit AMA
"Technological fixes are not always undesirable or inadequate, but there is a danger that what is addressed is not the real problem but the problem in as far as it is amendable to technical solutions."
Engineering and the Problem of Moral Overload
The more you think about it, if the Great War had never happened, pretty soon, people like Governor Evans and Nathaniel Hornwright would probably have woken up one day to discover THEY'D been replaced by AIs.
Nah 774 people really like to compete to have the biggest number
I’ve yet to find a single protest site without any hallucinogen gas
Norte and RadKing posting in the same day? best day ever
It would be interesting if they did a collab someday. Though, it is unlikely. From what I hear, RUclipsrs that collab tend to know each other before-hand.
Norte, when you upload you make the day brighter
Just like the nukes did
@@mrducky6322 damn it you beat me to it
I guess I missed those terminal entries. I've always wondered why those gas canisters were there lol
Dummy 😅❤
“Now we stand outcast and starving among the wonders we have made but the union makes us strong”
If the guy wanted to keep the proof of the government involvement, he should have either backed up the evidence to a holo-tape or cut the internet connection to prevent a remote wipe. Never leave an open connection to anything sensitive unattended because the weakest thing in cyber security is an unattended terminal.
It might not be called 'Fallout', but a pre-war game would be awesome.
It would be interesting, to say the least. Or maybe, like, flashbacks. You listen to a holotape, and experience the recorder’s experience yourself.
@@matiassepulveda4455 Full game would be neat if they actually wanted to make a masterpiece. Flash backs would just be side quests
@@WhatHappenedIn-vt3vq You know what, they could make an FPS game set into pre war America.
The game is set into, let's say, Idaho.
You're a police officer that has been tasked into investigating an mysterious religious group, one that says corporations like Poseidon, Mass Fusion and Robco are all evil and that the government is collapsing.
That religious group is an doomsday cult, and the cult leader is an very charismatic man, and he was inside an church. You arrive in a vertibird, and try to arrest the guy, and you succeed, but then when you bring him back to the vertibird to go away from the church, it gets shot down by a cultist with an bazooka.
@@gabrielalvespereira3750Sounds like you’ve just got the start of Far Cry 5 there
Minus the RPG part cos it’s a cultist who jumps into the propeller blades that causes the helicopter to go down
@@omendium2918 Never played Far Cry 5, but now that you mention that, an Far Cry style game set into Pre War America would be cool as shit. Someone really should make an mod out of that, I mean we got stuff like America Rising, we could make an Far Cry style mod set into pre war America
“Where justice is denied, where poverty is enforced, where ignorance prevails, and where any one class is made to feel that society is an organized conspiracy to oppress, rob and degrade them, neither persons nor property will be safe.”
“It is no disparagement to truth, that it can only prevail where reason prevails. War begins where reason ends. The thing worse than rebellion is the thing that causes rebellion.”
― Frederick Douglass
The way I see it, the security director has to share some of the blame for this, let's not gild the lily here, _massacre._ Sure, after he could have balked at initiating the lockdown, certainly he could have not called out for the deployment of National Guard troops, assuredly he didn't need riot gear on hand for a peaceful protest. If at any step during this whole fiasco, he felt unnerved, he could have handed back control of the power plant back to the plant manager and let her deal with it. True, Posiedon Energy is a massive corporate conglomerate with far too much power and influence in government and no one with two working brain cells should have allowed Hallucigen to participate in this event. Alas, it wouldn't be Fallout if corruption, avaraice, and lust for power didn't collide in disastrous ways.
Agreed. "Just following orders" stopped being a valid excuse at Nuremberg.
It's a good day when we get a N_orte video
Very interesting video topic, thank you 😊
Honestly hearing the lore too this really does hit close to home considering that homeless and ability afford a home let a lone rent has skyrocketed
I was literally just finishing watching your last video and this upload popped up. Couldn’t ask for anything better before bedtime after night shift
When Post-War has things like the Brotherhood, Frank Hoorigan and The Master, it REALLY says something that Pre-War stories are just as interesting!
Sounds fairly accurate to chemically incite a peaceful protest to save face
Oh snap. Olson is voiced by Liam O'Brien. Cool!
Good vid dude.⭐️
Sadly we are heading to that issue right now.. A lot of people not long ago lost their jobs to AI. Of course, in the past people have lost their jobs to machines as well.. But its now getting worse basically.
I mean the next option is is to learn how to keep developing ai so theirs always job opportunities
@@bigfella6738yeah but the diference on the type of job is a lot
@@Literallyryangosling777 I do agree but still I don’t belive automatic jobs will displace everyone
@@bigfella6738 in the past yes that would be the case, AI on the otherhand is trying to create a singularity where unless you were already in the field, their will be little time for retraining like in the past.
Either we live in a semi utpoia where we will only have physical jobs with minimal hours that AI cannot do (till the hardware of robotic is ready) and have a good UBI. Or the S&P 500 successfully lobby aginest the average man and keep him poor while they sit apon a continent of gold
Well done. I say Olsen was a fall guy for the corporation. There's no question. He took the 30 pieces of silver. Then regretted it.
You remind me of Travis Miles in a very good way. You actually sound lore friendly.
When I first discovered this location, I instantly froze and just was horrified from what I saw, initially, I thought it was from the bombs that all of these bodies and corpses were strewn together, but the more I looked at it, and upon finding the protest signs I just shuddered and was shocked that there was infighting up until the very second those bombs happened
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@@AmalekIsComing 🍆
You should cover more 76 pre-War events like that Las Vegas shootout
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We're living the beginning stages of Fallout.
Its always been a class struggle
“War, War never changes”
and yet middle aged men worship Liberty Prime
I don't want to set the world on fire...
Good ‘ol Gill at Hallucinogen got a heck of a sale that day 😅
From what I've been seeingnof America this fictional event sounds more and more real, oh well price to pay for being the "winners"
Well. That was miserable. Thanks! :D
Kind of mirroring the Battle of Matawan . Union battles have always been a thing in Appalachia . We don't take kindly to being pushed around
Reminds me of Standing Rock
liam o'brien rocks the voice line!
"anti-riot gas"
Oh so like tear ga-
"symptoms include extreme aggression and heart failure"
Ah
Think this might be connected to the Scorched and their aggressive nature in any way?
The real question is: "What happens you replace your workforce with robots, but none of your workforce are thinkers or good decision makers?"
Take your pick: Terminator, The Matrix, or Wall-E
"turn on each other" seems bad enough to me, actually.
I am sure I am not the first to say it however; Ultracite looks a lot like tiberium to me. This video is the first time I have seen it.
I have a lore question. Does anyone know if the national guard of the fallout series functions in the same way as the real world? Meaning would the national guard responding to this situation be from Appalachia?
No. The US is divided into commonwealths instead of states in the fallout universe.
The national guard would actually be part of Virginia, Maryland, and possibly Delaware too.
Whoa!!
And i thought i've seen it all.
Man think of an alternate timeline when the great war happened instead of nukes they used this gas. Both sides used chemical weapons like this.
That's actually an interesting idea.
Woah, maybe I should pay attention to the terminals lol
Only a company in the Fallout Universe could develop a Anti-Riot Gas that, far from it's intended purpose, escalates a Riot.....
Meh... nothing the spin-doctors can't... ahem... "fix..."
@@seand.g423 Yep, just need to say "Looks like a bad batch.. " or "Oh, it's supposed to do that.."
@@flashstudiosguy I mean, I was thinking more along the lines of putting it all on the "rioters"... bit less of a risk of, ah, certain questions down the line...
@@seand.g423 Nothing like incriminating innocent folks to appear as an angel. I sure do love the justice system.
See? @@gabrielalvespereira3750 gets it.
This is basically a dramatized version of the ludlow massacre
*Vault Tech Approves*
Ah I see they were taking a page out of history’s book when writing this.
The fallout lore of a seeming more and more real
It's Apa LAY cha I grew up there. Coal mines towns of SW PA and WVA.
Watching the security forces wheel out the sentry bot 💀
Problem i have with this is that they already knew the gas did stuff like this so why did they use it?
There's a saying that goes something along the lines of "Nobody's around to do it if nobody's left alive." .
Well technically, the bloodiest pre-war event in Fallout history would still be the Black Plague, with the highest estimated death toll being 200 million deaths. The bloodiest War, World War II, only has a high estimate of 118 million deaths, and the bloodiest genocide, the genocide against the Indigenous peoples of America, claimed 20-80 million lives within 500 years. The Holocaust claimed up to 7 million, but only lasted 4 years and the numbers are far less contested as its victims were far better documented.
But these are all events that Fallout shares with the real world, as Fallout's timeline mostly splits sometime after World War II.
No wonder Hallucigen in fallout 4 is so concerned with its stock prices, if these protests went this wrong after using Hallucigen gas it makes sense they’re more concerned with money than human lives proven by fallout 4
We need a march on Blair mountain event
The first thing I can think of is a cringey LGBT march or a BLM march😂
@@fuckshitfuck69 Jan 6 would have been that event if it targeted the Federal Reserve instead.
@@MK_ULTRA420 😂
All the people pretending to be surprised by the cruelty of private corporations have clearly never heard the story of John Henry.
I dunno, there’s definitely a strong case to make that it was a Single Man’s attempt at a Power Grab!! Which is also very Fallout and real world come to think of it lol I think he didn’t care about the workers and decided it was his time but when it backfired he didn’t want to be remembered as such a Monster!! Tho I admit it could really go either way that’s just my opinion Love the Lore Love the Channel
I wish lore and storytelling like this was at the forefront of Fallout 76. It seems like dark stuff like this is always in the background and boring shallow stuff is always what your character is actually doing
Honestly playing a bit more pre-war stuff would be cool
Your pick was good. However I will argue.
The food shortage riots in the city's in the 2060-70s leading to martial law was the bloodiest.
Shore it was NOT one event, however it wpuld be a long term event killing way more then this event.
But this event was a very good pick.^^
I'm going to say it's a little of both
What a great video (I didn't finish it yet)
Oh god. That's me running around at 4:00 ..whoops. 0.o
Wewt! Got in the first five minutes after release!
Yo, The husband was a patsy. We know how the GOVT work.
God I fucking hate doing Poseidon energy plant now lol, ive done it so many times xd
i know fallout 76 was a bit of a flop and I agree it could have been a lot better but one of the things it does best is grounded world building. I really doubt anyone at Poseidon cared about the carnage as long as it kept the plant safe and operating, in real life many corporations have used state violence or private militias and thugs to brutalize and even kill union activists and workers seeking small changes like weekends and vacation days and basic benefits and livable wages, they still do today, coca cola has literally hired hitmen to kill union activists in developing countries they seek to exploit.
he has no reason to make a tape and point a random someone towards the terminal, he clearly was making a "last words" type of deal and what he said is obviously true
Hey! THEY TOOK OUR JERBS!!!
Something that doesn't make much sense about fallout...did they never develop mining tech that is at least as as good as modern tech? We find more and more and more oil coal and natural gas every year the myth of peak oil is basily dead at this point
The Fallout universe isn't just an alternate timeline but a fundamentally whole different world with its own rules. For instance, radiation is basically magic. Evidently, in-universe resource scarceness was an actual problem that either couldn't be solved or would have been solved had the bombs not fallen
"National Security Concern".... Yeah and I'm the damn President.
The lore behind why a nuclear war happened in Fallout is kind of non-sensical, given it's an alternative history where people weren't afraid of massively utilizing the most energy-dense means of electricity production.
To be fair, the Fallout series is meant to be a parody of the real world. Plus, we don't know who launched the first nuclear weapons or why.
???? the Nuclear war happened because China was most likely very close to it’s breaking point and decided to drag the US down with it.
I love your content bud, and I mean this strictly as something to help you
Focus more on cadence and delivery, and also maybe invest in a better mic?
This honestly makes me feel more justified in picking house over the ncr in new Vegas. Cause the ncr would’ve brought this shit back
Are you fucking serious dude? House was literally one the people responsible for shit like this. He owned Robco!
@@baneofbanes did you even listen to anything he said in new Vegas? -_-
@@grimreaper63151 yes I did. House is a guy who has no qualms in killing thousands of people in the name of “progress”.
During the nuclear exchange he saved New Vegas, but not it’s people, allowing them to die by the millions.
People please look up the battle of Blair Mountain for a real life example of the government doing this
"There was no threat to public property so why was the National Guard interested?"
Are you kidding me? The right to control one's capital, therefore the right to control once workforce, is itself considered public property. And since this problem is bigger than the police can likely handle, the National Guard is historically the next step. Do you just not know the history of labor struggle in general or in the United States specifically? This is basically the story of how we got the 5-day work week, social security, and child labor laws.
Hmm I wonder why the federal government would send troops to help a large private company..... Literally what the American government has been since almost its beginning
The 2nd theory is not just authentic to Fallout.
I zoned out the moment you said Appalachia 😂
awesome vid.
Is this text to speech?
Real life is absolutely gonna end up like Fallout. It is so crazy similar its actually scary.
The saddest part is being replaced by machines is, in a perfect world, exactly what we should be striving for. Humans should be able to comfortably live without needing to break our backs for 40+ hours a day lest we be homeless and starve. But the way the greedy have built the world, we are stunted in our progress lest we have situations like this.
Okay so Im might be dumb Im not an economist, but how the fuck would a country function if they replace the entire worker class with robots? Because then they loose the entire costumer base for the economy
Fallout universe humanity is pretty dumb and money hungry
you can tell this is fallout 76 lore because it adds some new revolutionary tech that wasn't important enough to be even mentioned once in a previous game and borders on magic. bonus points for doubling down on the fallout 4 protectron replacing 5 different jobs instead of being a security robot
@Ayo Jit not saying there's anything wrong with it inherently but you would think if this great new technology was discovered that could have ended the need for oil, at least someone (enclave, vault tech, pre-war gov't, brotherhood, institute, etc.) would have had some record of it especially if it was just sitting around after the war
@wg1417 games Didnt the US already have fusion replacing oil already?
hi norte
Thanks 4 that interesting video ❤
Im so mad about Bethesda for such a bad storytelling.. you can wrote whatever you want and this comes up..
Excuses to recycle HaluciGen as a Company, to bring the Enclave in it aaaaand to let the Goverment look like a bad and devilish circle of corrupt and selfish people.. oh boy.. i can puke...
What about a new Fallout with new ideas?
And get the Hands off of all that Goverment shit. Is'nt good for the Series.
The Charme of fallout was that nobody knows what happend to them (exept Brootherhood and Enclave).
And nobody cares.
And HaluciGens Gas is such a Clone Wars Style Idea😂😂
Who was the writer? A 12 y.o. who would say: "What if when..." ??... Damn Bethesda! xD
I bet the media said it was bloody but mostly peaceful protest.
"Quite fallout"? Quite American
This is also a story to the people who say FO76 is trash.
My god FO76's lore goes hard and deep...
It’s honestly wild to me that bethesda came up with an incredibly impactful bit of lore story telling, and then smothered it with some nonsense. Like the idea of West Virginia having become a bit of a wasteland even before the war due to the effects of capitalism on employment. Like amazing connection between the economic model, and the nuclear devastation used to “protect” said model. Like capitalism consumes itself, and the nuclear blasts are meant to be the final few bites, but West Virginia was on its way out before the nukes were even launched. Beautiful, thought provoking stuff, I love it. But then, for some reason, they add this sickness, or plague, or pandemic or whatever. And sure it’s to help explain enemy types or whatever, but it lifts the culpability for the loss of lives from the shoulders of the government and the corporations that controlled it.
Actually, the New Plague was something that I think was first talked about in Van Buren or 2. I can't remember entirely, though. And it doesn't take off all of the responsibility of the government, as the Enclave are at least partially responsible for the Scourged.
Hi
I swear as bad as Fallout 76 is, I will never forgive it making people mispronounce Appalachian.