@@bluefable3416 LS complicate everything wave management - itemization -team comp etc we get it but to make another concept to focus on its just too much bec u can know the champ work with ur team or not just from knowing the champ u dont need colors and shit
@yazan Then how would you explain the “Color” work then? Try to explain the first couple of minutes in this vid without color, mate he’s not complicated thing he simplified basic drafting theory it by using already existing concept from another game. And what does the latter part of your comment even mean? Because if you know your the champion, it not hard to know their color.
@@yazan9335 The manner in which he presents draft is better than "knowing" what works together, by deconstructing champions into reliable information (such as colors for certain aspects) you can consistently create unexpected drafts for your opponents. Often drafts are a result of player knowledge of situations, which means that if a certain champion fits perfectly in a spot it doesn't mean it'll be picked because the player is going off his most comfortable picks. If people do explore more complicated concepts such as itemization, wave management and draft they can get a general advantage over their opponent without relying on "skill outplays". This draft format if adopted by teams would result in a much different concept of power picks and necessary champion pools, in general expanding the requirements of being a pro player and pushing the pro scene towards more technical high level gameplay.
It's really really interesting hearing him talk and how him having a background in MTG gives him another perspective, but I'd be even more interested in hearing another coach respond to this. I feel LoL is too chaotic with how good certain players are at certain champions, patch changes, etc to be _too_ invested. I think Riot even intentionally avoids letting teams try to theory craft like this to avoid stall comps/boring early games.
EDH all the way, every other format besides draft and sealed is boring and cancer, modern sucks, standard sucks, commander is where you can shine with creativity and interesting decks.
@@destertae1996 bro don't hate on legacy jk jk yeah constructed is trash right now. I'm mostly a modern play but it's devolved so much I have only played commander recently
@@deluezian_helix I've played most of the formats, watched all, and commander is the really the only one that is enjoyable, so much freedom, because who wants to have an Oko mirror match 23 games in a row (I am so glad he got banned)
@@fhayderali9756 He's assigning different champions characteristics, Red wants to snowball, Green wants to go to late game/Synergize, blue has control/cc and wants to go to late game, Black needs to be supported to pop off, White can help support the other colours. So he shows that the left team started drafting a very snowbally team comp, the right team started with a teampcomp that can hold off the aggression and scale late, the left team responds with karthus to try and help snowball midgame/be a late game power house, the right team gets more defensive to try and shut down the snow ball. Also as leblanc is a snowball champ the left team banning it makes no sense. The colours are based on characteristics from Magic the Gathering.
@Dominus Providebit on top of that, his predictions are usually pretty solid and make sense, i dont know how you havent seen videos of him live predicting drafts like its nothing
I honestly had a similar video idea then i heard this referenced in a podcast and i have to fully agree with this whole view of the game there is something more to this for sure
i come back to this video every once in a while to remind myself how fucking smart he was able to be. nowadays he seems to have given up as the scene refuses to seek change.
I definitely started thinking of team comps in terms of themes like this. It never played mtg so this color theory is cool. I hate seeing Lucian banned away from a team that's control/scaling just because he's meta. If they do pick it it's bad for them, let them mess up
didnt recognize the magic the gathering acronym till like half way through, just throught he was associating the champ types to the colors of the portraits (ad being red-dark, tanks green, mages blue etc)
I still don't quite get what is green. What qualifies "synergy"? If j4s knock up synergized with yasuo, does that make him green? Also what is "manipulation" in the white category? This thing feels like it needs quite a certain amount of champion knowledge to fully understand/make use of.
its just his arbitrary ideas of what champions do, if anything all champs have all colors just in various degrees of prominence and he's just arbitrarily deciding the most standout relevant ones
@@thonbmc2026 Creatures in mtg are permanent threats that stick around compared to the otherwise one time effects of spells. If you translate that to league an ultimate is a spell that only happens once and the creatures would be the autoattacks and short cd QWE spells of champions. Zyra gets called wrath of god or settle the wreckage by LS both of which wipe the board clean of creatures = removing the ability to contribute residual damage for a while = stun the enemies to take them out of the fight for a bit or kill them while stunned. His draft concept also likens the champions often to not 1 card but a small set of cards instead which you then put in your deck. Zyra is Wrath of god in teamfights but also has a strong early game to either go aggressive or use it to deny the enemies aggression so think like a couple damage spells or single target removals and a couple small creatures to block or go aggressive with. Creature destruction is basically the ability to stop champions from contributing to a fight, permanently or temporarily. Permanent champion removal is red on offense(dive to kill) or white defense(kill or suspend on reaction to an engage) while temporary removal is often blue or white think something like janna ulting you away to get space or disengage.
Most of the adcs are Green, requiring peel and help in the laning phase for some big pay off later. Without that peel or help their full potential is locked and they become harmful to their team. Yasuo is white + colorless on the list. He is not green in the usual sense as he goes beyond the usual asks of green going so far as to shape the entire draft differently with knock ups increasing in value. He also doesn't rely on his team beyond the odd knock up requirement but can't fit every team because of his odd role of melee dps. His white part is probably him improving his teammates skills with his instantaneous follow up ult.
Nah, I think ADC's are Black and Juggernauts/Supports are Green. Juggernauts have the lifegain, the attrition, the ramp, the triforce/sterak midgame-spike. Supports donate the teamwide buffs. ADC's have the neediness, the pop-off, the creature-hate (e.g. vayne top), the sacrificing of teammates.
Its interesting in the first assessment leblanc ban. In jeskai in the position they were in it would be be entirely reasonable to use your red component as burn or kill, which I would DIRECTLY relate to leblanc. She can add some early game aggression and roam ability to help her obviously outscaling lanes get into the late game without getting rolled? what do i know though, i play more mtg.
I think you're not wrong in that you can use LB's red as removal, which LS does say is a possiblity too. However, I think that Leblanc is not good as removal because there's better removal that exists. For example, what if instead of Leblanc, you go TF? He has ult to A. Punish enemy team for going to aggressive, B. Punish enemy team for picking scaling jg, and C. Have much faster response time compared to LB. Theres an arguement to be made that TF doesn't do nearly as much damage as Leblanc or whatever, but in terms of themes, I think Leblanc is too monored to fit in with the team comp on the right whereas you can use the red found within mixed colors as removal instead.
Im like a year late but, I understood everything about the colors and such, and i was wondering if your drafting a comp how much of each color is a healthy amount? Do you want to have a good amount of Red, Green, Blue and others ? or do you want to have lots of one color like a red aggressive comp and a little bit of white/blue for scaling botlane ?
One strength of Gragas is that you can pivot your build based around what you need vs the enemy team. If there isn't enough damage, then you go AP. If there is, you go tanky.
Like no joke i think teams that had this on like on a generator or calculator type thingy that gives them picks based on enemy team they would win draft 100% time
Can someone explain black to me im kinda confused like red blue are kinda the main colors i guess the balance between control and aggression. Whit is the jack of all traits can be played in a red or a blue comb-like xaya rakan for example. Green woud be things that need to synergize with other so you woud never actually see a mono green comb galio is for example a green champion i guess and yuumi. But the rest? Im confused about the rest
LS recently did a MTG colors stream with 2 MTG pros, it's still up on his twitch and you can check that out. But black is like.. conditions and tradeoffs. If certain conditions arent met, you suck. Like Draven has to get kills for his passive or he can be useless. Karthus has to be the only ap on his team or he is much weaker.
Nocturne would be grixis (blue/black/red) His Passive, Q, and R (part 2) are very agro oriented, and are powerful early, so that's his red aspect. His move speed from Q and E make slippery and sticky, so his chase/escape potential is good, plus his W is a straight up counterspell, making him blue. And finally, his E fear and R (part 1) is 100 % cruel control and manipulation, so that's his black aspect
His W isn't really a counterspell if we follow LS's interpretation of the draft as both teams are effectively the 2 players facing each other while the champions are creatures or commanders with a couple of spells attached. Nocturnes W would be more like Hexproof as it only affects the 1 creature and not the whole board. Blue is also very much likened to scaling in LS's view so even if you have a tiny blue aspect while otherwise being very aggressive you will still follow your dominant color. The tierlist likens Nocturne to mainly Rakdos with the ability to become Jund if supported right(guessing galio).
Insane that this is free contented he does and that still coaches world wide fk up drafting so hard (being perfect is something else, but to see off theme or theme reveals to early, years after is super strange to me)
He isn't. He is using a very established system to define aspects/strengths/weaknesses of a card and applies it to league of legends champions to visualize the idea behind team composition drafts.
really says alot about our player base or just this region that everyone thinks this kind of thinking is on crack or lsd or somehow way out there. literally every comment. so sad...
Only LS can talk for 10 minutes about something that just could have been said in one sentence. "One team forfeited the late game to scale of an early game aggresion and the second team responded with late game scaling comp that has to survive."
@@КириллПике Having someone over explain a simple concept > give basic explanation with no depth He always tends to over explain things, and I quite enjoy it
@@aicaeus While insulting their own knowledge, for he fails to understand what he's actually doing is teaching coaches the phases of ban phase. R1: Have a theme in mind but don't go to deep into it other wise you risk being countered R2: Consider what theme the enemy team is going for, plan if you need to counter it or ban it, make sure you pick champions that can do this but don't break theme to hard away from what you already have
please make a full 5 color table mtg color categorizing every champion in the game and how much of the color they are if important!
@@F38U Thank you!
@@F38U can you link that in a new comment (not as a reply) so I can pin it? With text saying what the link is
@@EravohnRname I think you can post the link on a comment you wrote yourself and just pin that and give credit
@Simeone Alves because tf is a cc bot.
@@F38U Can you do an updated version of this?
I feel like I just listened to someone explain league on Acid
Acid also have colors right?
@@maexledisost210 acid's a drug that opens your third eye
@@reanimatereanimate9999 LS is the D that opened mine then
currently watching on acid
Third Eye Angel LOL!!!!
People like LS makes me feel like there is still a lot of League theory that needs to be discovered
i think the game is simple but need time to learn but he complicated it bec this game his career
@yazan If so then you clearly don’t understand know the advance mechanic of the game
@@bluefable3416 LS complicate everything wave management - itemization -team comp etc we get it but to make another concept to focus on its just too much bec u can know the champ work with ur team or not just from knowing the champ u dont need colors and shit
@yazan Then how would you explain the “Color” work then? Try to explain the first couple of minutes in this vid without color, mate he’s not complicated thing he simplified basic drafting theory it by using already existing concept from another game.
And what does the latter part of your comment even mean? Because if you know your the champion, it not hard to know their color.
@@yazan9335 The manner in which he presents draft is better than "knowing" what works together, by deconstructing champions into reliable information (such as colors for certain aspects) you can consistently create unexpected drafts for your opponents. Often drafts are a result of player knowledge of situations, which means that if a certain champion fits perfectly in a spot it doesn't mean it'll be picked because the player is going off his most comfortable picks. If people do explore more complicated concepts such as itemization, wave management and draft they can get a general advantage over their opponent without relying on "skill outplays".
This draft format if adopted by teams would result in a much different concept of power picks and necessary champion pools, in general expanding the requirements of being a pro player and pushing the pro scene towards more technical high level gameplay.
This really is eye opening into how he thinks about the game and his game logic.
It's really really interesting hearing him talk and how him having a background in MTG gives him another perspective, but I'd be even more interested in hearing another coach respond to this. I feel LoL is too chaotic with how good certain players are at certain champions, patch changes, etc to be _too_ invested. I think Riot even intentionally avoids letting teams try to theory craft like this to avoid stall comps/boring early games.
I've never seen someone analyze team comps in terms of mtg deck building. very interesting
this is insanely informative
@Yun Fu ?
My small brain needs to have two tabs of this video up so I can look back at the colors and what they are.
True
as a magic player myself i can say this is the most accurate way of explaining drafting with mtg, it's just so on point
You have never played magic.
when u take LSd and are able to think clearly or its post nut clarity
LSd
@@nicolasrobertovitordemorae9396 creative ima take that
"Irelia tells you what she's gonna do and she does it. She's extremely white" AHAHAHHA
Pawg
@@golden-sun yessir
Pog
This was probably the most interesting piece of LOL theory I've ever seen.
ABSOLUTELY LOVED IT THANKS!
As someone who plays magic, I'm now every curious as to what formats he plays......
i play eldrazi tron
EDH all the way, every other format besides draft and sealed is boring and cancer, modern sucks, standard sucks, commander is where you can shine with creativity and interesting decks.
@@destertae1996 Hell yea! Commander is so much fun! :D
@@destertae1996 bro don't hate on legacy jk jk yeah constructed is trash right now. I'm mostly a modern play but it's devolved so much I have only played commander recently
@@deluezian_helix I've played most of the formats, watched all, and commander is the really the only one that is enjoyable, so much freedom, because who wants to have an Oko mirror match 23 games in a row (I am so glad he got banned)
I feel like being color blind
i am colorblind and I feel like it became worse
At first I thought he was explaining some theory that the colors the champ art has define their playstyle...
Sergio Ortiz same here, havent yet figured the real thing
@@fhayderali9756 He's assigning different champions characteristics, Red wants to snowball, Green wants to go to late game/Synergize, blue has control/cc and wants to go to late game, Black needs to be supported to pop off, White can help support the other colours. So he shows that the left team started drafting a very snowbally team comp, the right team started with a teampcomp that can hold off the aggression and scale late, the left team responds with karthus to try and help snowball midgame/be a late game power house, the right team gets more defensive to try and shut down the snow ball. Also as leblanc is a snowball champ the left team banning it makes no sense.
The colours are based on characteristics from Magic the Gathering.
Simon Berest ooooooh its for the magic of gathering, oh thank god you explained man thank you ❤️
And people laughed at me when I said you can transfer thoughts and schemes from other games onto LoL
@Dominus Providebit yes you can. Period
@Dominus Providebit You are actually so fkn low iq its insane
@Dominus Providebit wasnt he cheating when he was like 13? who fucking cares about the starcraft shit
@Dominus Providebit on top of that, his predictions are usually pretty solid and make sense, i dont know how you havent seen videos of him live predicting drafts like its nothing
irelia = aurelia
n' sol
Autislia
I honestly had a similar video idea then i heard this referenced in a podcast and i have to fully agree with this whole view of the game there is something more to this for sure
i really like the concept of irelia being a red/white angel and zyra being wrath of god, it just fits so well.
I would love to be able to think about things the way he does. I admire this dude so much!
With this I can finally understand what ls is talking about during drafting phase(?
i come back to this video every once in a while to remind myself how fucking smart he was able to be. nowadays he seems to have given up as the scene refuses to seek change.
I definitely started thinking of team comps in terms of themes like this. It never played mtg so this color theory is cool. I hate seeing Lucian banned away from a team that's control/scaling just because he's meta. If they do pick it it's bad for them, let them mess up
didnt recognize the magic the gathering acronym till like half way through,
just throught he was associating the champ types to the colors of the portraits
(ad being red-dark, tanks green, mages blue etc)
Every Champion's MTG Color:
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ea8M5VYR6qNS005Hd6DyplX9Z5UZOjmYYxzpTgyueF0
This dude is beyond smart. Like yeah people could flame his actual play, but to discredit his knowledge on the game & how much he knows is stupid.
i didnt know what was happening until i read the comments. amazing
I still don't quite get what is green. What qualifies "synergy"?
If j4s knock up synergized with yasuo, does that make him green?
Also what is "manipulation" in the white category?
This thing feels like it needs quite a certain amount of champion knowledge to fully understand/make use of.
There's also "creature destruction" which he doesn't explain
its just his arbitrary ideas of what champions do, if anything all champs have all colors just in various degrees of prominence and he's just arbitrarily deciding the most standout relevant ones
@@thonbmc2026 Creatures in mtg are permanent threats that stick around compared to the otherwise one time effects of spells. If you translate that to league an ultimate is a spell that only happens once and the creatures would be the autoattacks and short cd QWE spells of champions.
Zyra gets called wrath of god or settle the wreckage by LS both of which wipe the board clean of creatures = removing the ability to contribute residual damage for a while = stun the enemies to take them out of the fight for a bit or kill them while stunned.
His draft concept also likens the champions often to not 1 card but a small set of cards instead which you then put in your deck. Zyra is Wrath of god in teamfights but also has a strong early game to either go aggressive or use it to deny the enemies aggression so think like a couple damage spells or single target removals and a couple small creatures to block or go aggressive with.
Creature destruction is basically the ability to stop champions from contributing to a fight, permanently or temporarily.
Permanent champion removal is red on offense(dive to kill) or white defense(kill or suspend on reaction to an engage) while temporary removal is often blue or white think something like janna ulting you away to get space or disengage.
Most of the adcs are Green, requiring peel and help in the laning phase for some big pay off later. Without that peel or help their full potential is locked and they become harmful to their team.
Yasuo is white + colorless on the list. He is not green in the usual sense as he goes beyond the usual asks of green going so far as to shape the entire draft differently with knock ups increasing in value.
He also doesn't rely on his team beyond the odd knock up requirement but can't fit every team because of his odd role of melee dps.
His white part is probably him improving his teammates skills with his instantaneous follow up ult.
Nah, I think ADC's are Black and Juggernauts/Supports are Green. Juggernauts have the lifegain, the attrition, the ramp, the triforce/sterak midgame-spike. Supports donate the teamwide buffs. ADC's have the neediness, the pop-off, the creature-hate (e.g. vayne top), the sacrificing of teammates.
If riot made champions into colors, lower Elos would understand what they would need to do to play against a team comp.
Not just lower Elos, have you been watching lcs?
how is lucian not a black creature?
because he is not building ap
@@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena either u missed the joke, or u missed the joke
@@bobbywu7701 Yeah it was such a hilarious and original one too... Gee I wonder how he missed that
OMEGALUL
big brain mode
this lives in my head. very cool idea
Its interesting in the first assessment leblanc ban. In jeskai in the position they were in it would be be entirely reasonable to use your red component as burn or kill, which I would DIRECTLY relate to leblanc. She can add some early game aggression and roam ability to help her obviously outscaling lanes get into the late game without getting rolled? what do i know though, i play more mtg.
I think you're not wrong in that you can use LB's red as removal, which LS does say is a possiblity too. However, I think that Leblanc is not good as removal because there's better removal that exists. For example, what if instead of Leblanc, you go TF? He has ult to A. Punish enemy team for going to aggressive, B. Punish enemy team for picking scaling jg, and C. Have much faster response time compared to LB. Theres an arguement to be made that TF doesn't do nearly as much damage as Leblanc or whatever, but in terms of themes, I think Leblanc is too monored to fit in with the team comp on the right whereas you can use the red found within mixed colors as removal instead.
I like how he says Aurelia (the warleader) and not Irelia
Im like a year late but, I understood everything about the colors and such, and i was wondering if your drafting a comp how much of each color is a healthy amount? Do you want to have a good amount of Red, Green, Blue and others ? or do you want to have lots of one color like a red aggressive comp and a little bit of white/blue for scaling botlane ?
What application does ls use to draw in the screen? Maybe anyone knows similar app I kinda need it.
Epic pen
@@EravohnRname thanks bro!
Huge
after playing league for so long, looking at the spreadsheet has expanded my brain tenfold
Is there a full stream of this?
YOU BLEW MY MIND AND THATS WHY YOU HAVE MY SUB!
Was there enough damage on red team for the most optimal build on gragas to be full tank?
One strength of Gragas is that you can pivot your build based around what you need vs the enemy team. If there isn't enough damage, then you go AP. If there is, you go tanky.
Like no joke i think teams that had this on like on a generator or calculator type thingy that gives them picks based on enemy team they would win draft 100% time
More of this please!!!
Is there the full stream to this somewhere?
I don't believe so, sorry. If I'm not wrong twitch deletes your vods after 3 or so months so this vod should be gone by now.
I know nothing about MTG. This video just left me more confused lmao.
This is super sick!
Can someone explain black to me im kinda confused like red blue are kinda the main colors i guess the balance between control and aggression. Whit is the jack of all traits can be played in a red or a blue comb-like xaya rakan for example. Green woud be things that need to synergize with other so you woud never actually see a mono green comb galio is for example a green champion i guess and yuumi. But the rest? Im confused about the rest
LS recently did a MTG colors stream with 2 MTG pros, it's still up on his twitch and you can check that out.
But black is like.. conditions and tradeoffs. If certain conditions arent met, you suck. Like Draven has to get kills for his passive or he can be useless. Karthus has to be the only ap on his team or he is much weaker.
@@EravohnRname ok thanks m8
@@EravohnRname do you know what video it is I'm struggling to find it?
Nocturne would be grixis (blue/black/red)
His Passive, Q, and R (part 2) are very agro oriented, and are powerful early, so that's his red aspect.
His move speed from Q and E make slippery and sticky, so his chase/escape potential is good, plus his W is a straight up counterspell, making him blue.
And finally, his E fear and R (part 1) is 100 % cruel control and manipulation, so that's his black aspect
His W isn't really a counterspell if we follow LS's interpretation of the draft as both teams are effectively the 2 players facing each other while the champions are creatures or commanders with a couple of spells attached.
Nocturnes W would be more like Hexproof as it only affects the 1 creature and not the whole board.
Blue is also very much likened to scaling in LS's view so even if you have a tiny blue aspect while otherwise being very aggressive you will still follow your dominant color.
The tierlist likens Nocturne to mainly Rakdos with the ability to become Jund if supported right(guessing galio).
FINALLY I WILL KNOW WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT, until he starts using SC structures and shit.
xD
Insane that this is free contented he does
and that still coaches world wide fk up drafting so hard
(being perfect is something else, but to see off theme or theme reveals to early, years after is super strange to me)
"Tankplank" KEKW
so what would kassadin be id imagine blue but im not sure?
Kassadin is 100% Izzet. Red/Blue. Aggro, Slippery and mobile, Scaling, has one of the only literal counterspells left in the game.
@@MoobuSunderbane thanks I forgot I asked this but am glad I got my answer
But what if im colourblind??
I was told to get high before I watch this so that’s what I’m gonna do
colors/ list or explained? link?
i.imgur.com/FCiBzB3.png
Mowx marhba b si mowx dialna
What those colors stand for?
Pause at the start and read
Magic the gathering color for deck building
my left arm feels funny, like constrained it's hurting me :( now what? :s
his logic applies, even if his theory of MTG colors is a bit inprecise
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Perfect ratio!
is white still bad?
what website is that?
I feel like you are talking about pro mtg draft😂
There’s a lot more levels to this if you have more experience……
why are you making league 10x more complicated
He isn't. He is using a very established system to define aspects/strengths/weaknesses of a card and applies it to league of legends champions to visualize the idea behind team composition drafts.
Really nice anlogy
Much more respect for pro players
really says alot about our player base or just this region that everyone thinks this kind of thinking is on crack or lsd or somehow way out there. literally every comment. so sad...
they are all on legal meth ur delusional to think otherwise
Is this part of the I'm on meth antidrug propaganda?
"Why is he white" - LS
Only LS can talk for 10 minutes about something that just could have been said in one sentence. "One team forfeited the late game to scale of an early game aggresion and the second team responded with late game scaling comp that has to survive."
Yea, bc it’s educational content. He explains things properly
@@КириллПике Having someone over explain a simple concept > give basic explanation with no depth
He always tends to over explain things, and I quite enjoy it
Except that he's talking about complementary picks and what the champs actually want to do.
Imagine trying to insult someone and end up complimenting their knowledge of the game
@@aicaeus While insulting their own knowledge, for he fails to understand what he's actually doing is teaching coaches the phases of ban phase.
R1: Have a theme in mind but don't go to deep into it other wise you risk being countered
R2: Consider what theme the enemy team is going for, plan if you need to counter it or ban it, make sure you pick champions that can do this but don't break theme to hard away from what you already have
do you coach mtg arena too?, jajajja
2022
skins: wrong colour!
Wtf is he talking about
He likes putting big ideas into tiny boxes. He's making two games analogous to each other through mtg: colour to league: champions.
Lol mono red winnies
What the actual fuck is he talking about ????
What drugs is this guy on
Ok I guess
This is fucking nonsense. He does what every mtg player does and calls everything 3 or 4 colors for no fucking reason.
0:41 he can go Ap and burst everyone with his flag like I did in my video
you smoked too much
what is this bs?
Why do i feel like this is overkill
G2 won LS is Mald
Sure they did!
Where are they at now?
Xavier White somewhere NA will never get to.
@@Charblaze89 And yet, history repeats itself and. Looking at China's back in another 3-0 blowout
@@Charblaze89 G2 needs draft rework, keep players and coaches. Just refine champ pools and drafts.