not gonna say he doesn't, but for pvp, orc is the better race because of the Hardiness. as far as WotF goes, pvp trinket removes fear but not stuns. you can also dispel fear with the felhunter. also, 25% basically means every 4th stun will be resisted and stun is the most powerful CC. does stunlock ring a bell? it wont if youre an orc!
@@Erati243 dude, it literally says it in the name. If a stun misses there is no "lock" part. Chaarges, cheapshot, kidney shot to name the deadly ones. Thats not including Talent effects, items, proccs, trinkets.
@@hankapaldum6027 come on dude, lets be real here, stun lock refers to rogue, and as i said it was CALLED stunlock but it only worked because of blind and sap. if you think differently you didnt play vanilla.
@@Erati243 but hardiness refers to all stuns. And blind and sap are 2, cheap shot, kidney are 2 too. Also much more used. Shame you pulled the " you never played vanilla" card so soon and completely disregarded the whole wotf comparison.
Just started playing vanilla for the first time two weeks ago. While I do understand the efficiency and advantage acquired by researching, guide videos, and making predetermined lvling and end game routes, I still try to waver from doing as much research as possible cuz i like to figure things out as I go. Something about learning my character on my own is simply gratifying and influences a lot of my decisions. BUT I DIGRESS, I hit lvl 37 on my main last night, warlock, and found myself with more and more questions. My curiousity peaked as we all know vanilla is exponentially more time consuming and difficult in almost every aspect of the game so it was hard for me to justify not looking for some certainty in the decisions ive made so far. This video is the most accurate depiction of warlock progression simply put into words. Now its going to be hard to justify playing any of my alts for some time. I definately picked the right class. Immediately liked and subscribed man keep it up. Oh and ty for the engineering tip, wouldve never thought tbh. 🤘
i was ready to rip this shit apart like the other warlock videos about classic on youtube, but this was really well made and accurate. good job man edit: only thing missing is the fact that the blade of eternal darkness (epic bop dagger from Princess in maraudon) can proc off of your hellfire - and do the proc's damage (100 iirc) to each target hit by that hellfire tick that the proc is triggered off of. so if you're hellfiring, say 10 targets, and on the next hellfire tick BoED procs, it will do a bonus 1000 damage on that tick, 100 to each target. just some helpful info for hound packs in MC and some other raids, maybe even for DME farming.
Thanks mate. I didn't reach rank 1 lock pve on multiple servers for no reason. Blade of eternal darkness is definitely a topic to bring up. Especially for early game usage. However, this is meant to be a "basics" sort of guide
That break down you did with Tips out was feckin fantastic. I'm so happy you're putting guides out!!! I've been playing a warlock since Wrath, and I still find all class engaging and rewarding; affliction for all the interactions and nuance. And demonology, currently is like a class fantasy nerdgasm, a raid groups with of demons all around, and enough depth to keep gameplay engaging. Destro isnt as hum drum as it used to be...proccing girthy, throbbing chaos bolts is SO satisfying, but it's still just button mashing to me otherwise. I never got to experience vanilla, I've never even played on a private server! I'm very excited to have the chance.
Hey - I just wanted to come back to this vid, and thank you for the hard work you put in during these times. You inspired me to be a lock, and I ended up reaching all my goals, and then some.
mate I really enjoy your videos. thank you! I used to be a warlock player since day one of WoW and quit playing after WotlK. Vanilla and BC were my favourite times.
Warlock had the potential for some strong DPS back in the day, but they were held back by threat issues and the limited number of debuff slots available on each boss.
I always made sure all my DoTs were on everything but the boss. I'd stack it up on whatever the off-tanks were on, and then I'd single target MT. Warlocks do insane multi-target dps with just instant cast.
Love the effort you put into your videos. I played vanilla as a rogue but will be playing classic as a warlock. I plan on raiding in as good a guild I can get into, and your videos are helping me on that path!
Original Will of the Forsaken was so good. It does more than just break Fear and the other effects, it makes you immune to them for 5 seconds. So while it's good to break out of a fear, it's even better to just weave it between your casts when the Fear is coming since it's off the GCD and be immune to the fear completely.
Holy shit, you actually know what you are talking about... I have never seen that when it comes to warlocks! And I actually like your voice, normally I have a hard time with the American accent. No offense to any Americans, it is just a subjective quirk of me which is really annoying because there are many Americans who produce great content, I just cannot bear to listen to it. You do an exceptional job at presenting the facts behind warlock raiding. You even point out that things like Expansive Mind is a very small buff, where most content creators will just demand it. Because you are actually good at this, I kinda wished the video was double in length with more details. However, I just noticed it is almost 20 minutes! It felt like 10 because it was interesting and well paced all the way through. This is the perfect video for describing to newcomers how warlocks raid and whenever one of my friends asks about it I will link this to them. I do think though, that you could easily make a very detailed video on the quirks of raiding as a warlock. It definitely sounds like you have been doing it before, so like me, you probably know that there are a lot of interesting details to it. Lastly, you are a very small channel,
Dont forget about wizard oils for dps consumables. Also, sapper charges are off gcd, which is what makes them even more amazing, allowing you to sapper and hellfire at the same time.
Bravo, very simple introduction guide overview. Smarter then other classic warlocks I see. I see while I obsess over my top 50 world ranking in BFA, that others can ensure a new generation can begin anew in classic. Thank you. -K
One thing worth to point out. Sm increases the base damage of your shadow spells. So it does not scale with spellpower. Meanwhile the touch of shadow from sacrificing your succubus, increases you overall shadow damage by 15%. This is also why SM scales better early on when you have low spell power gear. And DS outclassing SM once you have a bigger SP floor.
I personally loved being SM/Ruin in classic since you could pvp, pve grind (lot of that in vanilla), raid and 5 man all with the one spec. It's very flexible and your tank will appreciate you giving him/her blood pact unlike those "selfish DS/Ruin warlocks". I literally had tanks and healers tell me exactly that. As for professions, you have sold me on tailoring and engineering. I was half-thinking to drop tailoring for engineering later, but why not both!
One major problem with Warlock is the threat gain. They really lack ways to not over agro, the risk of two shadowbolt crits in a row on a target with already high agro is there. For alliance you can reduce your threat abit with a paladin blessing. Abit harder for horde.
i wouldnt be surprised if they give the shaman the anti aggro totem or make paladins available as a selectable class from the start. Alliance has gotten most of the first kills over horde bcs of this mechanic, as soon as horde had paladins it all turned around.
@@blackyvertigo indeed. And with rogues and fury warriors both being top 3 dps classes in late game vanilla, windfury is actually insane. Especially for warriors with almost infinite rage.
@@meberg6958although alliance warriors always do more since they get blessing of salvation and humans can rock less hit rating on their gear. alliance warriors topped the charts in all pserver logs.
One of the best warlock guides I have seen. Warlocks have some serious flaws and strengths you did a great job of highlighting both. You didn't play the class up or down. Better than "ZOMG warlock is the greatest PVP or PVE god tier class". I played a Warlock main in Vanilla and in most of WoW. I will be playing a warlock again; I just can't resist it.
YES! Warlock is unique and the only class I would love to level all over again! The dots, the fear and most importantly life taps are the charms that I just can’t resist. The excitement of one shoting people in destruction build and the pleasure seeing mobs get killed by dots while running away from you is just perfect!
Great Video, but I'd think these types of videos would work even better with a more chill title. Pretty sure the target audience for these essays dont usually click on youtube-y clickbait :) Keep these up!
Been watching a ton of your videos since I decided to roll Gnome Warlock for classic after watching you on Tipsouts channel. Awesome stuff and really informative.
the cadence of your voice is so soothing lmfao these are top tier vids too. really good info. so excited to jump into classic. I quit after BC. Vanilla was the real wow.
It’s also worth noticing that sm/ruin build is much better for farming outside raiding. I’m going to be sm/ruin from the beginning to the very end of classic wow.
@@astronemir it's a solo drain tank multi mob pull technique with no downtime whatsoever. have vw pull one mob, dot it up, pull the other mob, dot it up, and drain life till dead, redot first mob, drain life till dead, lifetap, rinse and repeat. with better gear, you can pull 3 or maybe even 4 mobs at once.
thats absolutly wrong what you told. warlocks have a very strong and mighty skill to reduce aggro. its called dying and its avaible once every bossfight.
dude i really search a lot a good fucking video who can help me to undestand more about warlock i didnt find it. now i saw this diamond video, 5 years later haha. take my damm like!
Wow, I never realised how much advantage gnome locks have, but I would never play a gnome. Seriously, who looks at a fantasy game and thinks "I want to be a gnome".
Played a undead warlock name Zig in classic was at the top of my guilds DPS never had an issue whatsoever. Just held off until I knew the tank had Agro and then I let loose what time it got to me they were dead. Seat of Distraction was freaking awesome on crowds
Maybe late to the party here... just caught Alive on Tipsout. Come straight over and subbed. I was lucky in Vanilla, I had a good warlock teach me a lot. Always willing to learn more :)
There is another Spec option. MD Ruin. 0 / 30 / 21 Key Talents: Improved Succubus, Fel Domination - Master Demonologist, Unholy Power, Sacrifice, Master Demonologist, Improved Shadowbolt, Bane, Improved Lash of Pain, Devistation, Ruin. (Bonus: ORC Warlocks can use this build nicely) This build revolves around both Shadowbolt and Petusage. What do you gain? - 10% Overall Damage increase (Succubus - Master Demonologist). - 10% Buff to your succubus damage, 20% Meele dmg buff to your succu, 30% Ability damage buff to your succu, 6 second CD reduction on your Succu - Your Agro is split to your demon, resulting in higher possible dps with weaker tanks - Instant Resummon to refresh your demons mana - Ability to tank Twin Emperors more easily, due to your Felhunter giving you 60 Omni-Resistance What do you loose? - Instant Corruption - Improved Lifetap This spec is usefull in certain scenarios: 1) You are the 3rd warlock and as such not allowed to put up Corruption. 2) Your Tank does not hold as much agro. 3) You are the AQ Twin Emp Tank 4) Early Gear scenario. Your Pet does NOT scale with your gear. So in MC-low end BWL scenarios, this may deal more damage, than the 5% bonus you get from Demonic Sacrifice. It is essencially still DS ruin. You can still sacrifice your Demon for that 15% buff (And this becomes viable if your Succu is out of mana). It does not scale as good as DS Ruin in AQ-Naxx gear, but it is a nice flavour build to get away from 1 button Shadobolt spamming, in addition to being rather flexible for both PvE and PvP.
Ive only seen 5 mins so far but this is clearly the most comprehensive guide ive seen for classic locks, thanks so much for this! I know you PVE more but any chance of doing a PVP talents guide or something?
Great video. Based on my 3 MC runs so far, Warlock DPS lags behind Warrior, Mage, Rogue and Hunter. It's fine because we still bring alot to raids but for Phase 1 I've accepted I'm not topping charts in MC.
I would advise that when making your 1st character, you take Tailoring and Enchanting. You can craft tailored items to level it up, then use those same items to level up Enchanting by Disenchanting the crafted tailoring items. If you try to run with Tailoring and Engineering, you will be screwed because of how many different materials you will need for it. Engineering will primarily need mining as a second profession.
This is a guide on pve. Engineering and tailoring benefit you the most for pve performance. The professions do not need to compliment each other with materials. There are plenty of other ways to earn gold aside from professions.
Honestly, don't do it on a warlock, you will regret it. It costs a lot of gold to level enchanting, gold you will only get if you can convince people to give those early raid enchant drops to YOU. Who do you think is going to get it. The warlock, one of the best farming classes in the game or any of these guys: resto druid, holy priest, holy paladin, protection warrior. Gold was a big deal in vanilla, support classes suck at farming, they will get priority over you. Instead of trying to compete with those guys, help them instead - that way you will have access to all the enchants you want without even having the skill.
It's meant to be a guide to endgame min-maxing, not leveling, so budget or convenience aren't taken into consideration. From the practical side, you probably want to level as mining/engineer until you get 300 then drop mining for tailoring. Maybe make a bank alt to save the higher level cloth you get along the way.
Enchanting is garbage for leveling and for 1st character. Especially if you don't have a guild to funnel you. Enchanting wont make any money until very late and you will have to sink tons of money on it. Every guild should have 1-3 enchanters. If you aren't that guy then don't get it.
You said warlocks have no way to reduce threat beside Salv/trang totem, but they also have Master Demonologist talent, that says "Grants both the warlock, and the summoned demon an effect as long as that demon is active - Imp - Reduces threat caused by 4% x5" so that's another 20%
8:17 as someone who raided MasterDemo/Ruin in vanilla, you absolutely do have a way to reduce aggro. If you spec for Master Demonologist, you generate 20% less threat with your imp out. Why would you want to run a a build like this? Because you also pick up Improved Imp and Improved Healthstone... two things that tanks will kill for in raids.
Don't forget how much threat that will be reduced because you are also doing 15% less damage with your imp out! All jokes aside tho, if you are the only lock in the raid, you will not be welcomed as a MD/Ruin lock. But as long as you're not the only lock, you can let the other lock speck SM/Ruin to buff the tanks and you can be MD/Ruin spec to up your dps
Most damage calculations in classic are multiplicative - warlocks actually get more than 60% increased damage from the combination of debuffs at 14:33.
This guy just goes into very deep details as he has great knowledge and experience about Warlock. In dungeons you want to usually dot the main target with everything and secondary targets with corruption and curse of agony and depending on the situation immolate too. Then you throw shadowbolts if you need to nuke something dangerous or a boss. Otherwise lifetap couple of times after DoTs to utilize your health regeneration and wand things a lot to sustain your mana for the whole instance without drinking once. In raids you pretty much spam shadowbolt, use appropiate curse and dot the secondary targets.
People always say SM is better for pvp but I prefer DS. I lose more fights in SM than I do DS. Increased stam, pet dmg, faster/cheaper summon on CD, void sac buff, imp healthstone all together out weigh CoE, nightfall, siphon & imp drain life imho.
one thing that isn't in here something that could be done during vanilla, not sure about if it's still able to be done in classic was to sacrifice your succubus and then have a healer res it or jumper cables it if you were an engineer. You would keep the sacrifice buff of 15% shadow damage and you would get to keep your succubus
This guy knows how to play a lock couldn't fault him on anything he said. One suggestion if you are really trying to max your dps. Demonic/Dark runes are more effective than lifetap. So if gold isn't and issue and you are in a dps race against other locks for big dick status its a useful tip.
what i want to see is a guide on making gold with a warlock. There's tons for a rogue or a mage for example farming dungeons for gold. Is there anything similar that a warlock can do or are they sol?
Any chance you could go over a Dungeon PvE guide for warlocks? What spec should I use in dungeons? What spells can I use here that I normally don't in raids? Are there any notable synergies with other classes? What key dungeon drops should I keep an eye out for? Are there any dungeons that have unique Banish and Enslave Demon usage?
For professions do you recommend us learning Tailoring and Mining while leveling? We store all the mats needed to get 300+ engineering before swapping over to that? If you recommend that we purchase the mats then are you saying tailoring will be profitable enough to support us leveling engineering without grinding/gathering the mats on our own?
I've always wondered since I never played warlock in classic: Just HOW bad is the threat issue? Just stopping casting for 2-3 seconds or is it literally 10 seconds downtime until you can even do anything? I can't choose between mage and warlock and this might be crucial to decide cause I think it takes me out of the experience too much if I'm not doing anything. On the other hand, mages will be very popular and I always like the underdog classes in any game so warlock seems more appealing in that regard.
I don't understand these Pve guides about warlock, they all seem to focus on just one aspect but there are 20 man raids, 40 man raids and normal 5man dungeons as well. The rotations are different for each ''encounter''.
I've spoken to devs about this and it confirms that armor pen and % dmg debuffs and additive. However, I'm not sure if classic will end up launching with that formula
17:18 Yeah it is very difficult to master a 1 button rotation. How do I learn to master shadow bolt spam in raids? Like when I see that 3rd shadow bolt fly out it is really difficult to decide what to do next. Like I could Cast shadow bolt or cast shadow bolt. Sometimes I don't know what to do so I just cast shadow bolt and hope the other warlocks in my raid doesn't notice. It is really really hard to make that split second decision to cast that shadow bolt sometimes and just hope that it doesn't ruin my rotation for the next shadow bolt. It really is something you need 200IQ for.
hehe.. warlock pve is not only shadowbolt tho, its curses, corruption, siphon life, shadow bolt and finish off with searing pain or shadow burn ! Or.. if there are 5+ targets you could use rain of fire or hellfire ! You also need to use your demons in different ways :D
@@Redstripe921 It was meant to be funny but I'll bite. Curses lasts for so long that you barely use them during a fight. Only if you get lucky you will be allowed to use Corruption. SL is not good enough to take a debuff slot. Shadowbolt does more dmg than Searing pain so I don't see why you would use it. yes you summon the succubus and then you hit demon sacrifice for that sweet +15% shadow damage buff and proceed to spam shadowbolt for the next 2hrs.
Hello Alive great guide once again m8 so informative!!! One question tho how is good to start with proffs? Tailoring/Eng at start or take Engi after a while? I'm asking cause i dunno where to get my node supplys to raise it if i dont have a pala farmer already :P
What's your classic launch plan? I didnt start until cata but I heard about the lore and that locks were a complicated kind of fun and mained it then. But I also plan on running a lock first
probably wont get a reply because its an old video, but whats the cinematic playing in the back round at around the 4:18 mark, I dont recognize it and would love to watch it now.
Turtle WoW is about to nerf the hell out of Bloodvine bonus, replacing 2% crit with vampirism, doing flat dmg to the mob while healing you. If you've already lifetapped, this proc may save you another lifetap, and it does do some damage, but let's face it - you rolled warlock for the phat crits, am I right? Yes, I'm right.
I used to play warlock in vanilla, but seen an intervju of you speaking of the class made me wonder how much better I could have been. I used to be top DPS all the way to Naxx, but I was full destro, with a few points in demo and affliction. We used to have 3 other locks in the guild running sm ruin, but they were never near my dmg. And they couldn't understand why. And I never tryed out others specs. Makes me want to play classic again and give it a go. The only issue is that I'm old and have other stuff to take care of now. Isted of been online 12 hrs a day
I kind of don't think threat will ever be an issue with a competent and well geared tank, it is handy to have just in case you're testing out a new tank in raid that's trying to find a spot in the guild
@Cole Marano Fair, u seem to know :). i played mage in real vanilla up to and some naxx like most semi core guilds but then tbc came and fucked it all up. Now i dont know if i should go my old 31arcane 20 fire(mainely pvp or pick the lock :)
Ruin doesn't add +100% damage on criticals. By default, spell criticals do 150% of damage. Ruin boosts them to do 200% damage. That's a 33% overall increase. If it were instead 100%, warlocks would be unbeatable.
Imagine a lvl 57 item being bis. And you crafted it yourself! After finding the recipe for it! That's the game we loved...
It gets worse than that. Pre-dire maul people use level 30 and 40 something blue boes as some bis. Inventors focal sword from Mara is also used at bis
@Marek-Martin Matyska bloodvine is not out upon launch
@Marek-Martin Matyska I am not saying it makes it better .... I'm saying they come out at different times, so you can't really compare
@Marek-Martin Matyska Wowhead doesn't show the correct patch date for vanilla items.
For Feral DPS I believe BIS wep is a drop from Gnomer, like level 29 maybe?
Imagine someone making a vanilla wow guide video that ACTUALLY knows what they're talking about.
That's this video.
not gonna say he doesn't, but for pvp, orc is the better race because of the Hardiness. as far as WotF goes, pvp trinket removes fear but not stuns. you can also dispel fear with the felhunter. also, 25% basically means every 4th stun will be resisted and stun is the most powerful CC. does stunlock ring a bell? it wont if youre an orc!
@@hankapaldum6027 you do realize that "stun locking" was more based on disorients than it was stuns, right?
@@Erati243 dude, it literally says it in the name. If a stun misses there is no "lock" part. Chaarges, cheapshot, kidney shot to name the deadly ones. Thats not including Talent effects, items, proccs, trinkets.
@@hankapaldum6027 come on dude, lets be real here, stun lock refers to rogue, and as i said it was CALLED stunlock but it only worked because of blind and sap. if you think differently you didnt play vanilla.
@@Erati243 but hardiness refers to all stuns. And blind and sap are 2, cheap shot, kidney are 2 too. Also much more used.
Shame you pulled the " you never played vanilla" card so soon and completely disregarded the whole wotf comparison.
Just started playing vanilla for the first time two weeks ago. While I do understand the efficiency and advantage acquired by researching, guide videos, and making predetermined lvling and end game routes, I still try to waver from doing as much research as possible cuz i like to figure things out as I go. Something about learning my character on my own is simply gratifying and influences a lot of my decisions. BUT I DIGRESS, I hit lvl 37 on my main last night, warlock, and found myself with more and more questions. My curiousity peaked as we all know vanilla is exponentially more time consuming and difficult in almost every aspect of the game so it was hard for me to justify not looking for some certainty in the decisions ive made so far.
This video is the most accurate depiction of warlock progression simply put into words. Now its going to be hard to justify playing any of my alts for some time. I definately picked the right class.
Immediately liked and subscribed man keep it up. Oh and ty for the engineering tip, wouldve never thought tbh. 🤘
i was ready to rip this shit apart like the other warlock videos about classic on youtube, but this was really well made and accurate. good job man
edit: only thing missing is the fact that the blade of eternal darkness (epic bop dagger from Princess in maraudon) can proc off of your hellfire - and do the proc's damage (100 iirc) to each target hit by that hellfire tick that the proc is triggered off of. so if you're hellfiring, say 10 targets, and on the next hellfire tick BoED procs, it will do a bonus 1000 damage on that tick, 100 to each target. just some helpful info for hound packs in MC and some other raids, maybe even for DME farming.
Thanks mate. I didn't reach rank 1 lock pve on multiple servers for no reason. Blade of eternal darkness is definitely a topic to bring up. Especially for early game usage. However, this is meant to be a "basics" sort of guide
@@IamAliveTv for sure! Awesome guide dude.
That break down you did with Tips out was feckin fantastic. I'm so happy you're putting guides out!!! I've been playing a warlock since Wrath, and I still find all class engaging and rewarding; affliction for all the interactions and nuance. And demonology, currently is like a class fantasy nerdgasm, a raid groups with of demons all around, and enough depth to keep gameplay engaging. Destro isnt as hum drum as it used to be...proccing girthy, throbbing chaos bolts is SO satisfying, but it's still just button mashing to me otherwise.
I never got to experience vanilla, I've never even played on a private server! I'm very excited to have the chance.
Tips is a scrub.. soo much BS and lack of research in his guides/vidoes
Hey - I just wanted to come back to this vid, and thank you for the hard work you put in during these times. You inspired me to be a lock, and I ended up reaching all my goals, and then some.
mate I really enjoy your videos. thank you! I used to be a warlock player since day one of WoW and quit playing after WotlK. Vanilla and BC were my favourite times.
Warlock had the potential for some strong DPS back in the day, but they were held back by threat issues and the limited number of debuff slots available on each boss.
Season of mastery is coming, and its removing the debuff limit.
I always made sure all my DoTs were on everything but the boss. I'd stack it up on whatever the off-tanks were on, and then I'd single target MT. Warlocks do insane multi-target dps with just instant cast.
Imagine a guy with a voice sounding like he's sad putting a sad music on his video. I didn't cry ( just kiddin, good vid man)
You didn't cry? I'll act more sad next time
Bro, using your guide to get ready for hard-core, and it is absolutely perfect! Thank you for providing the information. Majority of us want to know!
Very informative, and I loved the chill vibe of the video
Love the effort you put into your videos. I played vanilla as a rogue but will be playing classic as a warlock. I plan on raiding in as good a guild I can get into, and your videos are helping me on that path!
i knew all of this already but I liked the video, fun to watch and i like the editing. Sub earned
Original Will of the Forsaken was so good. It does more than just break Fear and the other effects, it makes you immune to them for 5 seconds. So while it's good to break out of a fear, it's even better to just weave it between your casts when the Fear is coming since it's off the GCD and be immune to the fear completely.
Holy shit, you actually know what you are talking about... I have never seen that when it comes to warlocks! And I actually like your voice, normally I have a hard time with the American accent. No offense to any Americans, it is just a subjective quirk of me which is really annoying because there are many Americans who produce great content, I just cannot bear to listen to it.
You do an exceptional job at presenting the facts behind warlock raiding. You even point out that things like Expansive Mind is a very small buff, where most content creators will just demand it.
Because you are actually good at this, I kinda wished the video was double in length with more details. However, I just noticed it is almost 20 minutes! It felt like 10 because it was interesting and well paced all the way through. This is the perfect video for describing to newcomers how warlocks raid and whenever one of my friends asks about it I will link this to them.
I do think though, that you could easily make a very detailed video on the quirks of raiding as a warlock. It definitely sounds like you have been doing it before, so like me, you probably know that there are a lot of interesting details to it.
Lastly, you are a very small channel,
I have no interest in Warlock, yet here I am viewing this awesome video.
Thanks for the kind words mate!
Dont forget about wizard oils for dps consumables. Also, sapper charges are off gcd, which is what makes them even more amazing, allowing you to sapper and hellfire at the same time.
Late game - Shadow Bolt? More like Shadow Bomb.
Bravo, very simple introduction guide overview. Smarter then other classic warlocks I see. I see while I obsess over my top 50 world ranking in BFA, that others can ensure a new generation can begin anew in classic. Thank you.
-K
That was the best class guide for wow I have ever watched in the 13 years ive been playing, bravo
One thing worth to point out. Sm increases the base damage of your shadow spells. So it does not scale with spellpower. Meanwhile the touch of shadow from sacrificing your succubus, increases you overall shadow damage by 15%.
This is also why SM scales better early on when you have low spell power gear.
And DS outclassing SM once you have a bigger SP floor.
You have a real mastery of the Classic content. Really impressive and high quality. Keep it up
I personally loved being SM/Ruin in classic since you could pvp, pve grind (lot of that in vanilla), raid and 5 man all with the one spec. It's very flexible and your tank will appreciate you giving him/her blood pact unlike those "selfish DS/Ruin warlocks". I literally had tanks and healers tell me exactly that. As for professions, you have sold me on tailoring and engineering. I was half-thinking to drop tailoring for engineering later, but why not both!
How do u get the gold and materials to supply both professions ?
@@Redstripe921 Well, either your farm the gold (as a Warlock, farming is pretty easy) or you level up a second char for mining.
One major problem with Warlock is the threat gain. They really lack ways to not over agro, the risk of two shadowbolt crits in a row on a target with already high agro is there.
For alliance you can reduce your threat abit with a paladin blessing. Abit harder for horde.
i wouldnt be surprised if they give the shaman the anti aggro totem or make paladins available as a selectable class from the start. Alliance has gotten most of the first kills over horde bcs of this mechanic, as soon as horde had paladins it all turned around.
@@meberg6958 the dps advantage of windfury totem with late game rogues/warriors can't be understated.
@@blackyvertigo indeed. And with rogues and fury warriors both being top 3 dps classes in late game vanilla, windfury is actually insane. Especially for warriors with almost infinite rage.
@@meberg6958although alliance warriors always do more since they get blessing of salvation and humans can rock less hit rating on their gear. alliance warriors topped the charts in all pserver logs.
2:07 I believe humans gain 10% more rep which is amazing in both PVE and PVP.
One of the best warlock guides I have seen. Warlocks have some serious flaws and strengths you did a great job of highlighting both. You didn't play the class up or down. Better than "ZOMG warlock is the greatest PVP or PVE god tier class".
I played a Warlock main in Vanilla and in most of WoW. I will be playing a warlock again; I just can't resist it.
YES! Warlock is unique and the only class I would love to level all over again! The dots, the fear and most importantly life taps are the charms that I just can’t resist. The excitement of one shoting people in destruction build and the pleasure seeing mobs get killed by dots while running away from you is just perfect!
@@27648281 Yep, don't get me wrong I am playing a warlock.
Great Video, but I'd think these types of videos would work even better with a more chill title. Pretty sure the target audience for these essays dont usually click on youtube-y clickbait :) Keep these up!
Du Lümmel kommst jetzt erstmal auf Lakeshire und schließt dich unserer Gilde an :D
Great guide man! Came here through Tips, totally worth it. More warlock and Classic WoW content please!
Been watching a ton of your videos since I decided to roll Gnome Warlock for classic after watching you on Tipsouts channel. Awesome stuff and really informative.
lol same here
the cadence of your voice is so soothing lmfao these are top tier vids too. really good info. so excited to jump into classic. I quit after BC. Vanilla was the real wow.
It’s also worth noticing that sm/ruin build is much better for farming outside raiding. I’m going to be sm/ruin from the beginning to the very end of classic wow.
i draintank for lvling purposes
@@gelipterzg how do you drain tank in vanilla
@@astronemir it's a solo drain tank multi mob pull technique with no downtime whatsoever. have vw pull one mob, dot it up, pull the other mob, dot it up, and drain life till dead, redot first mob, drain life till dead, lifetap, rinse and repeat. with better gear, you can pull 3 or maybe even 4 mobs at once.
@@astronemir 30/0/21 build ofc, amazing farming build
That sneaky picture of Tipsout made my day xD
As a little tip!
Background music: Ofelia's Dream
Also great guide
Worse guilde in history,, i just want to cry when i see hes demon specc
thats absolutly wrong what you told.
warlocks have a very strong and mighty skill to reduce aggro.
its called dying and its avaible once every bossfight.
I've heard you can use creative use of game mechanics by using the druid battle rez to do it multiple times in a fight!
@@zipzzo thats called cheating and violates the classic tos.
druids are only there to be funny. thats the only point in existence
@@Pneuma6969 I'm not seeing the "funny meter" on my dpsmate...any clue how we measure it?
no no no, the best way to reduce agro is by having all the mobs stare at the succubus
@@zipzzo download a plugin for it.
dude i really search a lot a good fucking video who can help me to undestand more about warlock i didnt find it. now i saw this diamond video, 5 years later haha. take my damm like!
Wow, I never realised how much advantage gnome locks have, but I would never play a gnome. Seriously, who looks at a fantasy game and thinks "I want to be a gnome".
Orcs are better for pvp
Gnomes are for gaylords
Me, get gnomed.
@@DerpyHDoo😂 nice
Played a undead warlock name Zig in classic was at the top of my guilds DPS never had an issue whatsoever. Just held off until I knew the tank had Agro and then I let loose what time it got to me they were dead. Seat of Distraction was freaking awesome on crowds
Alive, thank you very much for putting together this guide! I also really appreciated the video that you made with Tipsoutbaby. You da man!
need more lock vids now bro, ur the best lock i ever saw
Thank you so much for this! I never took the time to go deep into strategy, and really want to play a more thoughtful game this time around.
Maybe late to the party here... just caught Alive on Tipsout. Come straight over and subbed.
I was lucky in Vanilla, I had a good warlock teach me a lot. Always willing to learn more :)
There is another Spec option.
MD Ruin.
0 / 30 / 21
Key Talents:
Improved Succubus, Fel Domination - Master Demonologist, Unholy Power, Sacrifice, Master Demonologist, Improved Shadowbolt, Bane, Improved Lash of Pain, Devistation, Ruin.
(Bonus: ORC Warlocks can use this build nicely)
This build revolves around both Shadowbolt and Petusage.
What do you gain?
- 10% Overall Damage increase (Succubus - Master Demonologist).
- 10% Buff to your succubus damage, 20% Meele dmg buff to your succu, 30% Ability damage buff to your succu, 6 second CD reduction on your Succu
- Your Agro is split to your demon, resulting in higher possible dps with weaker tanks
- Instant Resummon to refresh your demons mana
- Ability to tank Twin Emperors more easily, due to your Felhunter giving you 60 Omni-Resistance
What do you loose?
- Instant Corruption
- Improved Lifetap
This spec is usefull in certain scenarios:
1) You are the 3rd warlock and as such not allowed to put up Corruption.
2) Your Tank does not hold as much agro.
3) You are the AQ Twin Emp Tank
4) Early Gear scenario. Your Pet does NOT scale with your gear. So in MC-low end BWL scenarios, this may deal more damage, than the 5% bonus you get from Demonic Sacrifice.
It is essencially still DS ruin. You can still sacrifice your Demon for that 15% buff (And this becomes viable if your Succu is out of mana).
It does not scale as good as DS Ruin in AQ-Naxx gear, but it is a nice flavour build to get away from 1 button Shadobolt spamming, in addition to being rather flexible for both PvE and PvP.
"Little TIP" made me laugh :D Respect to both you and Tipsoutbaby ! good vid (Y)
Ive only seen 5 mins so far but this is clearly the most comprehensive guide ive seen for classic locks, thanks so much for this! I know you PVE more but any chance of doing a PVP talents guide or something?
In the future, yeah
Great video. Based on my 3 MC runs so far, Warlock DPS lags behind Warrior, Mage, Rogue and Hunter. It's fine because we still bring alot to raids but for Phase 1 I've accepted I'm not topping charts in MC.
this guys knows a lot - big recommend - knowledgebombs on point
I would advise that when making your 1st character, you take Tailoring and Enchanting. You can craft tailored items to level it up, then use those same items to level up Enchanting by Disenchanting the crafted tailoring items. If you try to run with Tailoring and Engineering, you will be screwed because of how many different materials you will need for it. Engineering will primarily need mining as a second profession.
This is a guide on pve. Engineering and tailoring benefit you the most for pve performance. The professions do not need to compliment each other with materials. There are plenty of other ways to earn gold aside from professions.
Honestly, don't do it on a warlock, you will regret it. It costs a lot of gold to level enchanting, gold you will only get if you can convince people to give those early raid enchant drops to YOU. Who do you think is going to get it. The warlock, one of the best farming classes in the game or any of these guys: resto druid, holy priest, holy paladin, protection warrior. Gold was a big deal in vanilla, support classes suck at farming, they will get priority over you. Instead of trying to compete with those guys, help them instead - that way you will have access to all the enchants you want without even having the skill.
It's meant to be a guide to endgame min-maxing, not leveling, so budget or convenience aren't taken into consideration.
From the practical side, you probably want to level as mining/engineer until you get 300 then drop mining for tailoring. Maybe make a bank alt to save the higher level cloth you get along the way.
Enchanting is garbage for leveling and for 1st character. Especially if you don't have a guild to funnel you. Enchanting wont make any money until very late and you will have to sink tons of money on it. Every guild should have 1-3 enchanters. If you aren't that guy then don't get it.
Very soothing video, you put alot of work in it, thanks alot.
You said warlocks have no way to reduce threat beside Salv/trang totem, but they also have Master Demonologist talent, that says "Grants both the warlock, and the summoned demon an effect as long as that demon is active - Imp - Reduces threat caused by 4% x5" so that's another 20%
8:17 as someone who raided MasterDemo/Ruin in vanilla, you absolutely do have a way to reduce aggro. If you spec for Master Demonologist, you generate 20% less threat with your imp out. Why would you want to run a a build like this? Because you also pick up Improved Imp and Improved Healthstone... two things that tanks will kill for in raids.
Don't forget how much threat that will be reduced because you are also doing 15% less damage with your imp out!
All jokes aside tho, if you are the only lock in the raid, you will not be welcomed as a MD/Ruin lock. But as long as you're not the only lock, you can let the other lock speck SM/Ruin to buff the tanks and you can be MD/Ruin spec to up your dps
THIS GUY IS WAY BETTER THAN STAYSAVETV.... GOT MY SUBB GREAT VID
Im not even interesterd in playing a Warlock and i really enjoyed this video
Man, idk how anyone doesn't love warlocks. It's absolutely my favorite class in wow. Out of curiosity, what's your class of choice?
@@petercarioscia9189 im a warrior main priest alt player love tanking and healing soooooo much, never been a fan of pure dps
excellent video. my reference point for everything warlock. thanks for sharing your expertise!
Most damage calculations in classic are multiplicative - warlocks actually get more than 60% increased damage from the combination of debuffs at 14:33.
I wish soulshards could stack in classic
that'd be broken tbh lol but that'd be dope too if you have hem stacked and maybe lost a few when you die
Awesome dude, good information and very helpful. Would love to see more :)
Can confirm, my best friend is LIP potions
Rotation seems a bit complex.
This guy just goes into very deep details as he has great knowledge and experience about Warlock. In dungeons you want to usually dot the main target with everything and secondary targets with corruption and curse of agony and depending on the situation immolate too. Then you throw shadowbolts if you need to nuke something dangerous or a boss. Otherwise lifetap couple of times after DoTs to utilize your health regeneration and wand things a lot to sustain your mana for the whole instance without drinking once. In raids you pretty much spam shadowbolt, use appropiate curse and dot the secondary targets.
@@Ascketism woosh......
@@Sammysapphira did that just go right over?
Hes alive :o
People always say SM is better for pvp but I prefer DS. I lose more fights in SM than I do DS.
Increased stam, pet dmg, faster/cheaper summon on CD, void sac buff, imp healthstone all together out weigh CoE, nightfall, siphon & imp drain life imho.
one thing that isn't in here something that could be done during vanilla, not sure about if it's still able to be done in classic was to sacrifice your succubus and then have a healer res it or jumper cables it if you were an engineer. You would keep the sacrifice buff of 15% shadow damage and you would get to keep your succubus
Great guide for a classic noob like me
This guy knows how to play a lock couldn't fault him on anything he said. One suggestion if you are really trying to max your dps. Demonic/Dark runes are more effective than lifetap. So if gold isn't and issue and you are in a dps race against other locks for big dick status its a useful tip.
I agree. This guide was only supposed to cover the basics 😁
what i want to see is a guide on making gold with a warlock. There's tons for a rogue or a mage for example farming dungeons for gold. Is there anything similar that a warlock can do or are they sol?
This is a little late response, but you can use a lot of the same farming methods as hunters and mages (Maraudon and DME).
I wish I had this type of guide back when I was playing Vanilla lol
Thank you so much for all your guides!
Awesome video. Warlock mains ftw
Male human warlock checking in, thanks for write up
Any chance you could go over a Dungeon PvE guide for warlocks? What spec should I use in dungeons? What spells can I use here that I normally don't in raids? Are there any notable synergies with other classes? What key dungeon drops should I keep an eye out for? Are there any dungeons that have unique Banish and Enslave Demon usage?
For professions do you recommend us learning Tailoring and Mining while leveling? We store all the mats needed to get 300+ engineering before swapping over to that? If you recommend that we purchase the mats then are you saying tailoring will be profitable enough to support us leveling engineering without grinding/gathering the mats on our own?
I'm also interested in an answer to this 😊
I've always wondered since I never played warlock in classic: Just HOW bad is the threat issue? Just stopping casting for 2-3 seconds or is it literally 10 seconds downtime until you can even do anything? I can't choose between mage and warlock and this might be crucial to decide cause I think it takes me out of the experience too much if I'm not doing anything. On the other hand, mages will be very popular and I always like the underdog classes in any game so warlock seems more appealing in that regard.
I don't understand these Pve guides about warlock, they all seem to focus on just one aspect but there are 20 man raids, 40 man raids and normal 5man dungeons as well. The rotations are different for each ''encounter''.
Super useful video, thank you!
I can go far more in depth if you'd like. Feel free to reach out to me if you'd like any more information
I am AliveTv thank you!
@@IamAliveTv so did you get any? ;)
@@patrikpass2962 😂😂
Still love your guide. You're the best
Played full destro lock spec and boomkin through vanilla. Entered the ventrilo void and mastered the art of demon summoning.
Good news homie the tailoring robes will be bop in Classic
% Increases in wow typically multiply, not add. The 4 debuffs you mentioned would increase damage by ~74.57% instead of 60% assuming I am correct
I've spoken to devs about this and it confirms that armor pen and % dmg debuffs and additive. However, I'm not sure if classic will end up launching with that formula
Nice video again, keep with the good working!
17:18
Yeah it is very difficult to master a 1 button rotation. How do I learn to master shadow bolt spam in raids?
Like when I see that 3rd shadow bolt fly out it is really difficult to decide what to do next. Like I could
Cast shadow bolt or cast shadow bolt. Sometimes I don't know what to do so I just cast shadow bolt and hope the other warlocks in my raid doesn't notice.
It is really really hard to make that split second decision to cast that shadow bolt sometimes and just hope that it doesn't ruin my rotation for the next shadow bolt.
It really is something you need 200IQ for.
Jesus u made me laugh xD
@@TheKristianbk I am glad someone thought it was funny
hehe.. warlock pve is not only shadowbolt tho, its curses, corruption, siphon life, shadow bolt and finish off with searing pain or shadow burn ! Or.. if there are 5+ targets you could use rain of fire or hellfire !
You also need to use your demons in different ways :D
@@Redstripe921 It was meant to be funny but I'll bite. Curses lasts for so long that you barely use them during a fight. Only if you get lucky you will be allowed to use Corruption. SL is not good enough to take a debuff slot. Shadowbolt does more dmg than Searing pain so I don't see why you would use it.
yes you summon the succubus and then you hit demon sacrifice for that sweet +15% shadow damage buff and proceed to spam shadowbolt for the next 2hrs.
Amazing video. Can't thank you enough.
what a nice vid, thanks a lot
Thanks! Subscribed
Hello Alive great guide once again m8 so informative!!! One question tho how is good to start with proffs? Tailoring/Eng at start or take Engi after a while? I'm asking cause i dunno where to get my node supplys to raise it if i dont have a pala farmer already :P
Engineering does give you greens lenses of shadow wrath which is bis for phase 1
as a lock who's herb/alch the invulnerability pot makes me think I can hellfire big aoes (horde so no BoP) especially in dungeons.
What's your classic launch plan? I didnt start until cata but I heard about the lore and that locks were a complicated kind of fun and mained it then. But I also plan on running a lock first
probably wont get a reply because its an old video, but whats the cinematic playing in the back round at around the 4:18 mark, I dont recognize it and would love to watch it now.
ruclips.net/video/x79hbysV_8w/видео.html
Turtle WoW is about to nerf the hell out of Bloodvine bonus, replacing 2% crit with vampirism, doing flat dmg to the mob while healing you. If you've already lifetapped, this proc may save you another lifetap, and it does do some damage, but let's face it - you rolled warlock for the phat crits, am I right? Yes, I'm right.
Great video mate
I used to play warlock in vanilla, but seen an intervju of you speaking of the class made me wonder how much better I could have been. I used to be top DPS all the way to Naxx, but I was full destro, with a few points in demo and affliction. We used to have 3 other locks in the guild running sm ruin, but they were never near my dmg. And they couldn't understand why. And I never tryed out others specs. Makes me want to play classic again and give it a go. The only issue is that I'm old and have other stuff to take care of now. Isted of been online 12 hrs a day
Great guide!
Wow first time i've seen someone do Amplify Curse. all the builds online don't touch it. It's free damage, and if you have CoE it's even more useful
I kind of don't think threat will ever be an issue with a competent and well geared tank, it is handy to have just in case you're testing out a new tank in raid that's trying to find a spot in the guild
Then you don't know classic very well.
@@boneloaf6058 I should of rephrased tank and raid... There's always that one asshole tho
Since you made bouth a mage and warlock vid. on the same topic. Wich of the 2 are the best end game vanilla pve toon.
@Cole Marano not from what i heard. Im talking about locks and mages in Aq40/naxx gear
@Cole Marano Fair, u seem to know :). i played mage in real vanilla up to and some naxx like most semi core guilds but then tbc came and fucked it all up. Now i dont know if i should go my old 31arcane 20 fire(mainely pvp or pick the lock :)
Haha I'm at 0:02 and for the first second I thought you were Milo Yiannopoulos
sm ruin and dm ruin equal out to basically the same dps in raids until like tier 3
Mana potions = less lifetap = more damage.
You can tell how good a Warlock's dps is by if he has Limited Invulnerability Potions in his bags.
If a warlock needs to use lips, he done made a mistake and likely pulled a boss's frontal cleave/cone onto several other dps and healers. RIP
@Bill that excuse will never fly between HC raiders. Always stay 1-2 crits below threat. Gotta anticipate threat increases and potential aggro gain.
MD/Ruin (0/30/21) Is the absolute highest dps if you can ress your succubus after sacrifice for a total of 25% more shadow damage.
This was patched very early on in vanilla. I dont think they will allow it in classic either
Yea as soon as you summon your succy, you lose the MD buff
Ruin doesn't add +100% damage on criticals. By default, spell criticals do 150% of damage. Ruin boosts them to do 200% damage. That's a 33% overall increase. If it were instead 100%, warlocks would be unbeatable.