True. I always thought Koreans didn't like her because she was dark-skinned (for a Korean, I mean), had a curvy body and had overall western-like features. But nope, turns out they loved her. She ranked really high too (6th to be exact), which was surprising. Guess Knetz do appreciate hard work and talent after all
It's also sad for Gaeun too. Even when watching the series I thought it was weird that she didn't make it to the final lineup, I'm pretty sure they just shoved her out because she was "too old" (which hurts my heart because she and I are born in the same year and I definitely don't feel old). It's nice to know that Korean voters thought she wasn't too old to be an idol. I bet Sakura was actually 1st place too, but Mnet didn't want a Japanese girl to be first on a Korean idol show.
@@NinjaKittkatt Yeah, I felt for Gaeun too, The main reason I mentioned Chowon is that she was an underdog for the entire series yet consistently proved herself, while Gaeun was always great.
@@tyresetayag7962 Cube will debut a new GG next year and obviously, Chowon would be there as an influential member. Hope, other Cube group's fans would pay heed to their debut since YG will also debut their new GG and SM debuting aespa this year. They need solid support from the beginning. I certainly will do my part as a Neverland.
This whole situation was a mess. And its trash that there's so many trainees that worked their asses off to earn a spot in those groups, and stuff like this happens
Even the stans of those groups say "they don't fit the group concept" or "nobody cares", this is the problem with these stans of the group they think blank is the best lineup but they don't understand the consequences of what could happen to the groups because of the pds actions.
@@ChenCrystal99 they use that excuse a lot “she doesn’t fit the groups concept” like doesn’t matter they trained and proved anyone can fit any concept if they want to
@@lade7880 Exactly some stans of those groups don't understand why this controversy is huge and they keep saying "we don't care". And did they pay to vote? No it was only the Korean public that were allowed to vote. These stans are selfish.
@@ChenCrystal99 exactly the whole show was about who had the most votes to be in the final lineup not who could fit the concept. And that's kind of dumb that the producers came up with the concept before the final lineup like maybe think of the concept after the final lineup.
Honestly, we should've known Produce48 was going to be rigged from the start the moment they announced that only Koreans were allowed to vote despite the fact that half of the contestants were Japanese. The Korean trainees wouldn't have stood a chance if the AKB fanboys were allowed to vote and Mnet knew it😂 Iz*one would've just been another AKB subunit based in Korea if they hadn't stepped in
Only 3 Japanese making it out of all AKB48 groups? I expected atleast 4 or 5, i know it can't be 6 or more but they're telling us only 3. I expected Miho and Miyu because Miho ranked 2nd in ep 11 same with Miyu ranking 6th. Miyu was even trending before the finale.
@@ChenCrystal99 Also Miru was snubbed, Coming in second for dance eval, coming in first for concept eval (if we include the benefit) and yet she got no screen time. She and wonyoung were on the same team for the group, position, and concept evaluations, and always beat her, yet still didn't debut.
Now I'm wondering what Chaeyeon's real rank was. I mean, there was NO WAY she ranked 12th. Literally everyone was anticipating for her to be in the high ranks. I think they just added her last so there'd be more suspense
I genuinely think she did rank between 9-12, she was liked by trainors but she wasn’t as appreciated by the Korean fanbase and she was seen as talented but not fitting for the groups image. So i think dhebwould be around 9-12, some ppl who watched rhe show since ep 1 and were like watching very detailed said that her rank was close to being true
@@iz127 I watched the show from begining till end, And honestly I'm suprised chaeyeon rank 12, she is gain populatity with her free style dancing skill. Honestly she deserves at least 6 rank
My heart aches for lee gaeun. It was her last chance of becoming and idol and mSnake just threw it out. I hope y’all can support her acting and RUclips career :)
@Riana C She was added to After School and had only one song/comeback before plunging into an indefinite hiatus. Pledis threw that gg into the dungeon.
@@kristyraza6041 It is sad what happened to After School, they had so good dancers and they could be a good dance focused girl group and have hard dances like boy groups.
Companies who wanted to be sure of their idols getting into the final groups paid off mnet and also got them into adult entertainment places etc. And the companies wanted their idols in the final group because it would make their idols more popular and get more money out of it in the long run. Don't blame the trainees though because they most likely didn't know about it.
@@peachxtaehyung of course i would never blame the trainee, those with inflated votes are probably embarrassed since they didnt win fairly 😔 but companies are so shady, they really dug their own grave
@@yam7607 oh yeah I figured it was just a disclaimer lol. I kind of wish the companies that did it would've been revealed but then again that would cause certain people to hate on the trainees from those companies instead of just the company
@@peachxtaehyung Cough Starship Cough I'm not surprised that every season (except season 2) had Starship trainees making the final. The Starship trainees get majority of screentime compared to other trainees.
I think it was a combination of deals made under the table and network pressures. According to the PD, Mnet was on his ass to make sure pd48 and x101 were a success because of how well Wanna One and IOI did. If the lineup was entirely fan voted, the lineup would have had majority japanese contestants. And that definitely wont fly in korea as establishing a domestic fanbase is priority #1
If Chowon & Kaeun made it w/ Sakura as the center, I honestly wouldn’t have cared who else made it into IZ*ONE. Amazing leader w/ experience in Japan, maknae line being top-tier vocalists, and a Japanese trainee in the center confirming a reason for doing the show: yeah, could care less who else was there.
This is great for some of those who've been wanting closure since then. Still really messed up what they did making certain idols who deserved to get into the final group. Won't forgive them for that. Still, good on them for trying to make it right 👍
My heart breaks for them honestly, for those who say to get over it or try to say don't hate the debuted trainee's because thier victims too.. get real the real victims are the ones who earned thier spot and had it stolen from them. I don't hate the debuted trainee's but the ones who were wronged and thier fans who voted and tirelessly supported them have everyright to be upset dont disregard their feelings. I'm sick of seeing people disregarding the true victims the ones who votes were manipulated. Honestly they all deserve better 😤
Some Oneits and Wizones kept on saying "best lineup" and they are being rude to trainees that rightfully earned their spot only to be rigged out by the pds. Some Wizones were calling Kaeun old and not fitting to IZONE concept is just insensitive. Sone Oneits were also saying it is Minkyu and Jinhyuk's fault for the hiatus and disbandment.
@@ChenCrystal99 I know that's what I can't stand i get people want to support thier faves and by all means do. But don't try to cover up what happened , don't disregard the trainee's who truly suffered. Some people are truly ignorant.
You are not on Twitter then S3: After School's Lee Gaeun (5th, An Yujin's final rank) & Han Chowon (6th, Yabuki Nako's final rank) (final vote) Source : twitter.com/balloon_wanted/status/1328890746523377665?s=20; www.soompi.com/article/1223325wpp/announcing-top-12-produce-48
I still believe that Jonghyun, Miho, Miyu, and Minkyu were rigged out. Literally starting from PD48 a lot of rankings didn't make any sense especially PDX. I had to rewatched all 4 seasons and Jonghyun was always highly ranked. Miho was 2nd and out of nowhere she plummet to 15th, same with Miyu going from 6th to 17th. As for Minkyu he never left the top 10, something does not add up because Minkyu just happened to drop from 5th to 11th in the final. A lot of fans at the PDX finale were crying over Minkyu's elimination and many trainees believed both Jinhyuk and Minkyu were promising contestants. In ep 8 when Minkyu got 10th in the 2nd elimination round Lee Dongwook thought it was inaccurate even the trainees were shocked by rank, I think that was also rigged as well. What pisses me off is that some wizones keep saying "we don't care" and "best lineup". It may not be a concern to International fans but Koreans are the ones who paid to vote for the trainees they want. Wizones still ask for IZONE to be permanent. I don't hate the groups, but their stans saying that certain trainees do not fit the final group concept is very insensitive.
Sorry i think you have it backwards. Intl fans are gassing this way more than korean fans let alone the general public. If you check daum and naver articles, knets aren't pressed about this issue, they feel sorry for the rigged contestants more than anything. But if you think this rigging scandal from a television show that made an idol group is sitting in korean people's minds more than the LITERAL TOMFUCKERY GOING ON IN THE POLITICAL SITUATION IN KOREA, then honestly i feel sorry for my people, i really do
Also yeah a lot of wizones are being pretty nasty and unapologetic for the rigged contestants. But tbf they went through it last year when the scandal first broke and literally every everyone wanted the girls gone. But here we are 1 year later and the general consensus is all contestants were victims. Wizones have never started fanwars but since day 1 they've had to defend themselves
@@shin-fx5jy Oh thank you for telling me it was that when I'm on Twitter most of those who are mad don't even follow Produce and jump on the hate bandwagon.
@@shin-fx5jy They called Kaeun old and said that she doesn't fit IZONE concept. They are lucky that IZONE have signed the contract because if they didn't they would have disbanded the same way as X1. Wizones need to stop asking for the group to be permanent because the girls have their own companies and eventually one of their labels want them back after 2.5 years is over.
@@bread3987 It's okay to wish but what is not okay is for some of them to call other produce groups flops. Some of them are selfish. I don't hate IZONE but some of their stans come off rude.
its so sad how a big company can just destroy hundreds of young trainee hope and dreams like that. i wish the best for all of the trainee and the only thing we could do now is keep supporting our artist
i truly wish that cj enm would provide the compensation that those trainees deserve to be given to them. Random: Is it me who was surprise that one of starship’s trainee was manipulated out of a line-up, considering that they were one of the rumored (still not sure if it was confirmed) entertainment who did bribery during the produce series? My only concern right now is that this will definitely give a huge impact to each member of the i*zone. I doubt that they will extend the group’s contract as it might cause more harm than good. I do hope that none of the members are carrying the guilt that they have little to no control of.
maybe it’s because starship paying for their trainees to debut/have screentime was already a huge controversy for so long (it was true) so maybe it was to seem less suspicious
6:00 i always thought that Kim Kook Heon was eliminated too early He is an amazing vocalist and dancer. He got praised by the trainers a lot and mnet did him dirty Please support him in his new group! It's a duo called B.O.Y(Be Of You) It consist of Kookheon and Yuvin (also participated in produce x 101) They're both really talented and it would mean a lot if you would check them out
Honestly if Produce ever decide to make a revival, they really should put everything out on the table and be transparent about voting. It makes no sense to have texting voting if you’re just gonna pick the lineup yourself behind the scenes
@@ellinoora7021 trying to make an excuse for rigging is not right in anyway. I get your point but it just defeats the purpose if you’re gonna pick the trainees ahead of time
@@peachxtaehyung Of nu'est. He was one of the most popular members of season 2 and when he didn't make the line up lots of people were saying it was fixed back then.
I feel like MNET hates half Koreans (they treated Alex, Timothee, and Samuel badly) and I feel like they only liked Somi because she was from a big company.
that show is trash. the editing is manipulated into thinking some of the trainees are evil, when it was taken out of context, i feel bad for those trainees who fell victim into mnet's evil editing i hope mnet, cj ent and everyone involved in creating this mess will go bankrupt
@april utawoo I'm not discrediting them, I'm just saying it clearly wasn't their time or their group to be in because the majority of SK voters didn't vote for them
izone is managed by vernalossom and cj which means that even if cj didn't want to continue izone, there's still vernalossom to back them up and let them continue their activities. second, x1 had not signed their contracts yet but izone has so terminating those contracts would be a much harder deed. and it was revealed that cj wanted to continue x1's activities but could not because some of the members' agencies wanted them to disband. it's not favoritism towards izone if you're thinking that, izone and x1 was just in different circumstances.
I knew it! It's so impossible that Sakura will not be the center. And Chaeyeon being 12 place I thought Chaeyeon is gonna be 2 or 3. And Gaeun and Chowon. They are one of the most famous!
I just hate so much hearing any shit statement from mnet were they apologize, BITCH no fucking apologize would give me back the time I took watching the program and all the tears I shed while seeing my fav doing her best and more in her FREAKING LAST OPPORTUNITY TO FOLLOW HER DREAMS (gaeun) just to saw her at the final ep crying bcs she didn't make it broke my heart so much and I still remember all the pain I felt back then.
Also, wow, these companies and idols are responding and handling this very, very well. Usually it's a string of poor-worded accusations, but this time it's a shiny version of "Yeah, we're sorry too, but we can get past it now." and that is... unexpectedly mature.
I think the reason mnet collab with bighit on their reality show iland is because bighit had a good and clean reputation as a company. They show transparency.Thus the debuting enhypen has a good feedback among the viewers and has lots of fans already even if they had not debut yet.
im mad about baekho of COURSE but i genuinely feel like crying when i think about hyunwoo not having the chance the perform on stage again. he was such a wonderful light in the first couple episodes. seeing him in the audience was so painful. i’m glad he’s doing well!!!
produce 101 could literally be just an online voting system so netizens could vote whoever they like based on their looks and age and not even have them to dance nor sing if they are so anal about it
PD101 Japan... probably the most fair seeing how it wasn't a surprise who ranked top 11 or got into top 20. And top 3 or so were consistently the same people. On top of them not being tied to any agencies or have formal trainings aka, normal people who just want to be idols. Plus a lot of others who didn't make it into JO1 ended up getting recruited for other groups (quite successful that many of the other talents got picked up). No real evil editing or anything either since most of the trainees were nice and hard working for the most part. (PLUS thank god, no stupid editing replays. I hate them)
Pursuing music In the kpop world Is not worth It. Your better off finishing school and getting a job that will support you for the rest of your life. Oftentimes the kids have quit school thinking they can make it. Those who did make it still have to face certain stuff like before you get what you deserve you still have to pay off the company that invested in you. You have to face many restrictions you won't see your family and friends for a very long time. The only people that your gonna see are your manager the ppl that you work for and your group mates. Those who did not make still have to pay the company and oftentimes when they fail there afraid to go home because of the shame of failure.
S3: After School's Lee Gaeun (5th, An Yujin's final rank) & Han Chowon (6th, Yabuki Nako's final rank) (final vote) Source : twitter.com/balloon_wanted/status/1328890746523377665?s=20; www.soompi.com/article/1223325wpp/announcing-top-12-produce-48
Its always funny to me when the producers push the narrative that they HAD to do it because of the success of the first two seasons but then it comes out that all four were manipulated in some way lol I hope p101 Japan didn't have any manipulation in it, there can at least be some good in all of this
I watched all of PD101 Japan... I don't there is any manipulation in it because the rankings were consistent from episode to episode. Plus, all the trainees are normal people with no formal training and no agency. They legit like quit their jobs or took a break from school to go try out on the show. Plus PD101 Japan had the most success since trainees who didn't make it to the top 11 actually got picked up by other companies and created their own groups. LIKE a good bunch of them are now in a group or solo with a bunch of other trainees from PD101.
Why does it have to be this way? I am victim of the cancellation of the show ever since Iz*one disbanded I am still recovering from it. I might start to think that I or us all of the fans that the rigging of the show is our fault. I don't want to cry but I would hope for a reunion just please give us an amazing time with a group for Pete sake and make us happy that is what all of us want. I don't want this I never want it this to happen, All we wanted is happiness. Please one like equals one prayer.
I have mixed feelings about the whole thing because I used to be such a huge fan of Wanna One. I know that all the trainees worked super hard to get a chance at debuting. I am not mad that some may have been rigged into debuting because they didn’t know but I am upset that some trainees got that opportunity to debut taken from them.
I don't think the list of victims is that small because I think a lot of names from produce 101 season 2 should be there... Baekho is not the only victim.. I don't believe that..
I'm not even upset anymore that they discriminated Soyeon in the first season because of how she looks like. I feel that it was a blessing in disguise.
I'm not surprised, but I'm disappointed, and I feel sorry for the trainees who were wronged, ans for the fans who support them. The world is already so unfair, I don't know why the producers did that.
I personally, don’t believe that eeeeveryone who were chosen to replace the ones that was supposed to win didn’t know what was going on. Like some had to know they had a safe spot, but oh well only God knows. At least the victims are having some type of compensation but still...It is very upsetting.
im sad because baekho was my ultimate Bias on produce 101, gaeun and chowon were my picks in Produce48 and Jungmo and Donghyun were two of biases in x101 nd i also liked jinhyuk :(
It's understandable any people are upset with Gaeun and Chowon were robbed, and I am too, they were two of my faves. But I'm really mad about Kim Suhyun getting eliminated first round!! She was one of the ones that caught my attention and they didn't even let her try! That's messed up 😢
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I've only watched S1 and S3 because I cringe when males acting cutesie on cameras 🤣🤣🤣. I didn't follow IOI because I feel like ranked 2 should have been the center and I was devastated but I decided to lowkey follow Gugudan but didn't really stan them. For S3, I kinda also felt the same I wanted Sakura to be the center plus Miu Shitao wasn't part of the group. 😭 But after watching their VLIVEs as IZ*ONE I fell in love. Now it doesn't matter to me who is the center, I love them as a group. But, I am HiChan bias 😁. I am not a KPOP stan but an IZ*ONE only if ZOZI came and the D word happen, my KPOP life will be on a hiatus. 🤣
The reason why they did that because The X1 members did not have a contract but IZ*ONE did. IZ*ONE had a Japanese Contract, Pledis Contract, OTR contract and it goes on. But X1 sadly didn't. Because of this it made it easier for X1 to disband but harder for IZ*ONE to disband.
Seriously I stopped watching Produce Series after Produce 48, because its obviously rigged. My Lee Chaeyeon in Top 12, the last place!!! And Gaeun and Chowon didn't debut. Goodness. They're more talented than the other members in izone. Well visual is a must for a kpop group. Visuals over Talent and that sucks. Its a talent show not a beauty pageant.
When you read enough chinese/korean novel about entertainment world, you wouldn't surprised how dirty that world is. I can't even surprise if sometime later there's a sexual scandal about the ex-contestants. Especially after IZ*ONE. I'm not hating them. I love a few of their songs and members (not all). But you have to be blind to not see some manipulation going on there. And I'm not surprised if IZ*ONE is byproduct of some shady negotiation.
Truthfully I couldn’t imagine any of the Produce groups without one of the members, but like these vote manipulators I- oh my gosh I fr wanna smack whatever is in their head like- someone get me the broom 🙄 what makes them think they can just have all these trainees go through so much stress and practice just to have their dreams literally crushed, that’s not cute no thank you 🖐
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I am just glad to know that korea did not sleep on chowon
True. I always thought Koreans didn't like her because she was dark-skinned (for a Korean, I mean), had a curvy body and had overall western-like features. But nope, turns out they loved her. She ranked really high too (6th to be exact), which was surprising. Guess Knetz do appreciate hard work and talent after all
I hope cube debuts her real soon
It's also sad for Gaeun too. Even when watching the series I thought it was weird that she didn't make it to the final lineup, I'm pretty sure they just shoved her out because she was "too old" (which hurts my heart because she and I are born in the same year and I definitely don't feel old). It's nice to know that Korean voters thought she wasn't too old to be an idol.
I bet Sakura was actually 1st place too, but Mnet didn't want a Japanese girl to be first on a Korean idol show.
@@NinjaKittkatt Yeah, I felt for Gaeun too, The main reason I mentioned Chowon is that she was an underdog for the entire series yet consistently proved herself, while Gaeun was always great.
@@tyresetayag7962 Cube will debut a new GG next year and obviously, Chowon would be there as an influential member. Hope, other Cube group's fans would pay heed to their debut since YG will also debut their new GG and SM debuting aespa this year. They need solid support from the beginning. I certainly will do my part as a Neverland.
This whole situation was a mess. And its trash that there's so many trainees that worked their asses off to earn a spot in those groups, and stuff like this happens
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Even the stans of those groups say "they don't fit the group concept" or "nobody cares", this is the problem with these stans of the group they think blank is the best lineup but they don't understand the consequences of what could happen to the groups because of the pds actions.
@@ChenCrystal99 they use that excuse a lot “she doesn’t fit the groups concept” like doesn’t matter they trained and proved anyone can fit any concept if they want to
@@lade7880 Exactly some stans of those groups don't understand why this controversy is huge and they keep saying "we don't care". And did they pay to vote? No it was only the Korean public that were allowed to vote. These stans are selfish.
@@ChenCrystal99 exactly the whole show was about who had the most votes to be in the final lineup not who could fit the concept. And that's kind of dumb that the producers came up with the concept before the final lineup like maybe think of the concept after the final lineup.
Honestly, we should've known Produce48 was going to be rigged from the start the moment they announced that only Koreans were allowed to vote despite the fact that half of the contestants were Japanese. The Korean trainees wouldn't have stood a chance if the AKB fanboys were allowed to vote and Mnet knew it😂 Iz*one would've just been another AKB subunit based in Korea if they hadn't stepped in
This is so true
Akb is very strong
Only 3 Japanese making it out of all AKB48 groups? I expected atleast 4 or 5, i know it can't be 6 or more but they're telling us only 3. I expected Miho and Miyu because Miho ranked 2nd in ep 11 same with Miyu ranking 6th. Miyu was even trending before the finale.
@@ChenCrystal99 Also Miru was snubbed, Coming in second for dance eval, coming in first for concept eval (if we include the benefit) and yet she got no screen time. She and wonyoung were on the same team for the group, position, and concept evaluations, and always beat her, yet still didn't debut.
@@JiRune138 Both Miru and Miu had a scandal before the finale
@@ChenCrystal99 oh I had no idea (I don't really follow AKB except for AKB0048, Produce 48, and youth with you season 2)
Now I'm wondering what Chaeyeon's real rank was. I mean, there was NO WAY she ranked 12th. Literally everyone was anticipating for her to be in the high ranks. I think they just added her last so there'd be more suspense
Some people have said she probably ranked in the top 3
Unfortunately, talk to some people who watched the show and the progress after debut, it's very very possible Chaeyeon ranked between 10-12.
It is also no way if yuri suddenly on top 3
I genuinely think she did rank between 9-12, she was liked by trainors but she wasn’t as appreciated by the Korean fanbase and she was seen as talented but not fitting for the groups image. So i think dhebwould be around 9-12, some ppl who watched rhe show since ep 1 and were like watching very detailed said that her rank was close to being true
@@iz127 I watched the show from begining till end, And honestly I'm suprised chaeyeon rank 12, she is gain populatity with her free style dancing skill. Honestly she deserves at least 6 rank
My heart aches for lee gaeun. It was her last chance of becoming and idol and mSnake just threw it out. I hope y’all can support her acting and RUclips career :)
@Riana C She was added to After School and had only one song/comeback before plunging into an indefinite hiatus. Pledis threw that gg into the dungeon.
@Riana C she was a former member of after school and in the industry she was considered to "old" to debut in a new group
Yes, our OT12 even support her twitter.com/IZONEISLOVE/status/1278197265878757377?s=20
@@kristyraza6041 It is sad what happened to After School, they had so good dancers and they could be a good dance focused girl group and have hard dances like boy groups.
what did they gain from manipulating the votes, if its fan voted... the fans will be happy with who wins 🙄 thats how fan voting works
Companies who wanted to be sure of their idols getting into the final groups paid off mnet and also got them into adult entertainment places etc. And the companies wanted their idols in the final group because it would make their idols more popular and get more money out of it in the long run. Don't blame the trainees though because they most likely didn't know about it.
@@peachxtaehyung of course i would never blame the trainee, those with inflated votes are probably embarrassed since they didnt win fairly 😔 but companies are so shady, they really dug their own grave
@@yam7607 oh yeah I figured it was just a disclaimer lol. I kind of wish the companies that did it would've been revealed but then again that would cause certain people to hate on the trainees from those companies instead of just the company
@@peachxtaehyung Cough Starship Cough I'm not surprised that every season (except season 2) had Starship trainees making the final. The Starship trainees get majority of screentime compared to other trainees.
I think it was a combination of deals made under the table and network pressures. According to the PD, Mnet was on his ass to make sure pd48 and x101 were a success because of how well Wanna One and IOI did. If the lineup was entirely fan voted, the lineup would have had majority japanese contestants. And that definitely wont fly in korea as establishing a domestic fanbase is priority #1
If Chowon & Kaeun made it w/ Sakura as the center, I honestly wouldn’t have cared who else made it into IZ*ONE. Amazing leader w/ experience in Japan, maknae line being top-tier vocalists, and a Japanese trainee in the center confirming a reason for doing the show: yeah, could care less who else was there.
This is why I hate MNET
Yass queen is back, spilling the tea. Mnet are snakes 🐍.
This is great for some of those who've been wanting closure since then. Still really messed up what they did making certain idols who deserved to get into the final group. Won't forgive them for that. Still, good on them for trying to make it right 👍
My heart breaks for them honestly, for those who say to get over it or try to say don't hate the debuted trainee's because thier victims too.. get real the real victims are the ones who earned thier spot and had it stolen from them. I don't hate the debuted trainee's but the ones who were wronged and thier fans who voted and tirelessly supported them have everyright to be upset dont disregard their feelings. I'm sick of seeing people disregarding the true victims the ones who votes were manipulated. Honestly they all deserve better 😤
Some Oneits and Wizones kept on saying "best lineup" and they are being rude to trainees that rightfully earned their spot only to be rigged out by the pds. Some Wizones were calling Kaeun old and not fitting to IZONE concept is just insensitive. Sone Oneits were also saying it is Minkyu and Jinhyuk's fault for the hiatus and disbandment.
@@ChenCrystal99 I know that's what I can't stand i get people want to support thier faves and by all means do. But don't try to cover up what happened , don't disregard the trainee's who truly suffered. Some people are truly ignorant.
You are not on Twitter then
S3: After School's Lee Gaeun (5th, An Yujin's final rank) & Han Chowon (6th, Yabuki Nako's final rank) (final vote)
Source : twitter.com/balloon_wanted/status/1328890746523377665?s=20; www.soompi.com/article/1223325wpp/announcing-top-12-produce-48
Gaeun was literally robbed, I hate MNET
I still believe that Jonghyun, Miho, Miyu, and Minkyu were rigged out. Literally starting from PD48 a lot of rankings didn't make any sense especially PDX. I had to rewatched all 4 seasons and Jonghyun was always highly ranked. Miho was 2nd and out of nowhere she plummet to 15th, same with Miyu going from 6th to 17th. As for Minkyu he never left the top 10, something does not add up because Minkyu just happened to drop from 5th to 11th in the final. A lot of fans at the PDX finale were crying over Minkyu's elimination and many trainees believed both Jinhyuk and Minkyu were promising contestants. In ep 8 when Minkyu got 10th in the 2nd elimination round Lee Dongwook thought it was inaccurate even the trainees were shocked by rank, I think that was also rigged as well.
What pisses me off is that some wizones keep saying "we don't care" and "best lineup". It may not be a concern to International fans but Koreans are the ones who paid to vote for the trainees they want. Wizones still ask for IZONE to be permanent. I don't hate the groups, but their stans saying that certain trainees do not fit the final group concept is very insensitive.
Sorry i think you have it backwards. Intl fans are gassing this way more than korean fans let alone the general public. If you check daum and naver articles, knets aren't pressed about this issue, they feel sorry for the rigged contestants more than anything. But if you think this rigging scandal from a television show that made an idol group is sitting in korean people's minds more than the LITERAL TOMFUCKERY GOING ON IN THE POLITICAL SITUATION IN KOREA, then honestly i feel sorry for my people, i really do
Also yeah a lot of wizones are being pretty nasty and unapologetic for the rigged contestants. But tbf they went through it last year when the scandal first broke and literally every everyone wanted the girls gone. But here we are 1 year later and the general consensus is all contestants were victims. Wizones have never started fanwars but since day 1 they've had to defend themselves
@@shin-fx5jy Oh thank you for telling me it was that when I'm on Twitter most of those who are mad don't even follow Produce and jump on the hate bandwagon.
@@shin-fx5jy They called Kaeun old and said that she doesn't fit IZONE concept. They are lucky that IZONE have signed the contract because if they didn't they would have disbanded the same way as X1. Wizones need to stop asking for the group to be permanent because the girls have their own companies and eventually one of their labels want them back after 2.5 years is over.
@@bread3987 It's okay to wish but what is not okay is for some of them to call other produce groups flops. Some of them are selfish. I don't hate IZONE but some of their stans come off rude.
I feel so bad for Baekho, I love him so much and he's one of my biases... he deserved so much better
its so sad how a big company can just destroy hundreds of young trainee hope and dreams like that. i wish the best for all of the trainee and the only thing we could do now is keep supporting our artist
i truly wish that cj enm would provide the compensation that those trainees deserve to be given to them.
Random: Is it me who was surprise that one of starship’s trainee was manipulated out of a line-up, considering that they were one of the rumored (still not sure if it was confirmed) entertainment who did bribery during the produce series?
My only concern right now is that this will definitely give a huge impact to each member of the i*zone. I doubt that they will extend the group’s contract as it might cause more harm than good. I do hope that none of the members are carrying the guilt that they have little to no control of.
maybe it’s because starship paying for their trainees to debut/have screentime was already a huge controversy for so long (it was true) so maybe it was to seem less suspicious
OMG! I can’t believe this! Imagine how the trainees feel now...also I really love your videos midnight theory’s! Keep up the good work! ✨❤️😄
6:00 i always thought that Kim Kook Heon was eliminated too early
He is an amazing vocalist and dancer. He got praised by the trainers a lot and mnet did him dirty
Please support him in his new group!
It's a duo called B.O.Y(Be Of You)
It consist of Kookheon and Yuvin (also participated in produce x 101)
They're both really talented and it would mean a lot if you would check them out
Honestly if Produce ever decide to make a revival, they really should put everything out on the table and be transparent about voting. It makes no sense to have texting voting if you’re just gonna pick the lineup yourself behind the scenes
@@ellinoora7021 trying to make an excuse for rigging is not right in anyway. I get your point but it just defeats the purpose if you’re gonna pick the trainees ahead of time
I'm surprised that Jonghyun actually didn't make it.
Jonghyun?
@@peachxtaehyung Of nu'est. He was one of the most popular members of season 2 and when he didn't make the line up lots of people were saying it was fixed back then.
@@morgan7043 Exactly! I'm also wondering why there are so few trainees on the list. What about the popular Japanese trainees in season 3?
@@idkreally9164 If i heard right the names of those trainees who would have made the final line up but didnt wernt released
Oh Mai gawd, i love Ur videos! I'm having such a stressed out day and i'm already watching Ur update!
I really wanna know the members who were manipulated into the group but if they revealed it they would get a lot of hate but I’m just so curious 🤨
Same and I wonder if they even knew about the manipulation
I feel like MNET hates half Koreans (they treated Alex, Timothee, and Samuel badly) and I feel like they only liked Somi because she was from a big company.
Oh shit! I didn't know what happened! Thank you for the update! You have the best content!
You didn't know about this??? How? It was huge earlier this year
that show is trash. the editing is manipulated into thinking some of the trainees are evil, when it was taken out of context, i feel bad for those trainees who fell victim into mnet's evil editing i hope mnet, cj ent and everyone involved in creating this mess will go bankrupt
But this actually makes me curious what the actual line up would have been for the last 2 seasons
they were all rigged PD101 PD101S2 PD48 PDX101
i knew something was going on when Gaeun didn't make it
i still feel like they should've let X1 continue promotions since the let iz*one continue.
Or, iz*one should have discontinued. Not really fair they are still making money when not all of them should have been in the group
@april utawoo I'm not discrediting them, I'm just saying it clearly wasn't their time or their group to be in because the majority of SK voters didn't vote for them
izone is managed by vernalossom and cj which means that even if cj didn't want to continue izone, there's still vernalossom to back them up and let them continue their activities. second, x1 had not signed their contracts yet but izone has so terminating those contracts would be a much harder deed. and it was revealed that cj wanted to continue x1's activities but could not because some of the members' agencies wanted them to disband. it's not favoritism towards izone if you're thinking that, izone and x1 was just in different circumstances.
@@bread3987 I know... I'm talking about the two that weren't supposed to be in the group🤣
IZ*ONE already had a contract. X1 didn’t. Also, X1 was more manipulated. This might sound unfair but it’s about money, like always. :(
I knew it! It's so impossible that Sakura will not be the center. And Chaeyeon being 12 place I thought Chaeyeon is gonna be 2 or 3. And Gaeun and Chowon. They are one of the most famous!
I just hate so much hearing any shit statement from mnet were they apologize, BITCH no fucking apologize would give me back the time I took watching the program and all the tears I shed while seeing my fav doing her best and more in her FREAKING LAST OPPORTUNITY TO FOLLOW HER DREAMS (gaeun) just to saw her at the final ep crying bcs she didn't make it broke my heart so much and I still remember all the pain I felt back then.
Also, wow, these companies and idols are responding and handling this very, very well. Usually it's a string of poor-worded accusations, but this time it's a shiny version of "Yeah, we're sorry too, but we can get past it now." and that is... unexpectedly mature.
Seeing Jin Hyuk made me cry all over again
I think the reason mnet collab with bighit on their reality show iland is because bighit had a good and clean reputation as a company. They show transparency.Thus the debuting enhypen has a good feedback among the viewers and has lots of fans already even if they had not debut yet.
And there's more twitter.com/coffeeksk/status/1332147356872019969?s=20
im mad about baekho of COURSE but i genuinely feel like crying when i think about hyunwoo not having the chance the perform on stage again. he was such a wonderful light in the first couple episodes. seeing him in the audience was so painful. i’m glad he’s doing well!!!
I have no words, just no words...
produce 101 could literally be just an online voting system so netizens could vote whoever they like based on their looks and age and not even have them to dance nor sing if they are so anal about it
How will they ever compensate the trainees? No amount of money will compensate this shit.
PD101 Japan... probably the most fair seeing how it wasn't a surprise who ranked top 11 or got into top 20. And top 3 or so were consistently the same people. On top of them not being tied to any agencies or have formal trainings aka, normal people who just want to be idols. Plus a lot of others who didn't make it into JO1 ended up getting recruited for other groups (quite successful that many of the other talents got picked up). No real evil editing or anything either since most of the trainees were nice and hard working for the most part. (PLUS thank god, no stupid editing replays. I hate them)
Pursuing music In the kpop world Is not worth It. Your better off finishing school and getting a job that will support you for the rest of your life. Oftentimes the kids have quit school thinking they can make it. Those who did make it still have to face certain stuff like before you get what you deserve you still have to pay off the company that invested in you. You have to face many restrictions you won't see your family and friends for a very long time. The only people that your gonna see are your manager the ppl that you work for and your group mates. Those who did not make still have to pay the company and oftentimes when they fail there afraid to go home because of the shame of failure.
I’m sure that Yuri and Chaewon took Gaeun and Chowon places
S3: After School's Lee Gaeun (5th, An Yujin's final rank) & Han Chowon (6th, Yabuki Nako's final rank) (final vote)
Source : twitter.com/balloon_wanted/status/1328890746523377665?s=20; www.soompi.com/article/1223325wpp/announcing-top-12-produce-48
I believe Wannaone was also rigged. The fact that Samuel's place dropped so drastically it never made since.
Samuel’s position sadly wasn’t rigged :( they revealed whos positions were rigged
@@noname4028 I'm shocked, I guess I felt he deserved more 🤷🏾♀️
@@jass029love7 I felt the same way. He is so talented but ignored.
Its always funny to me when the producers push the narrative that they HAD to do it because of the success of the first two seasons but then it comes out that all four were manipulated in some way lol I hope p101 Japan didn't have any manipulation in it, there can at least be some good in all of this
I watched all of PD101 Japan... I don't there is any manipulation in it because the rankings were consistent from episode to episode. Plus, all the trainees are normal people with no formal training and no agency. They legit like quit their jobs or took a break from school to go try out on the show. Plus PD101 Japan had the most success since trainees who didn't make it to the top 11 actually got picked up by other companies and created their own groups. LIKE a good bunch of them are now in a group or solo with a bunch of other trainees from PD101.
Who's going to teach the creators of 101 the definition of the word popular...?
You know what can ensure a popular group?
Letting fans vo
Why does it have to be this way? I am victim of the cancellation of the show ever since Iz*one disbanded I am still recovering from it. I might start to think that I or us all of the fans that the rigging of the show is our fault. I don't want to cry but I would hope for a reunion just please give us an amazing time with a group for Pete sake and make us happy that is what all of us want. I don't want this I never want it this to happen, All we wanted is happiness. Please one like equals one prayer.
I have mixed feelings about the whole thing because I used to be such a huge fan of Wanna One. I know that all the trainees worked super hard to get a chance at debuting. I am not mad that some may have been rigged into debuting because they didn’t know but I am upset that some trainees got that opportunity to debut taken from them.
I don't think the list of victims is that small because I think a lot of names from produce 101 season 2 should be there... Baekho is not the only victim.. I don't believe that..
I'm not even upset anymore that they discriminated Soyeon in the first season because of how she looks like. I feel that it was a blessing in disguise.
Lee Jinhyuk:/
This video honestly made me so sad
I freaking knew.... I mean how dafuq could Lee Kaeun not get selected.... #JusticeForProduceTrainess
I'm not surprised, but I'm disappointed, and I feel sorry for the trainees who were wronged, ans for the fans who support them. The world is already so unfair, I don't know why the producers did that.
I personally, don’t believe that eeeeveryone who were chosen to replace the ones that was supposed to win didn’t know what was going on. Like some had to know they had a safe spot, but oh well only God knows. At least the victims are having some type of compensation but still...It is very upsetting.
im sad because baekho was my ultimate Bias on produce 101, gaeun and chowon were my picks in Produce48 and Jungmo and Donghyun were two of biases in x101 nd i also liked jinhyuk :(
i really love izone but it just doesnt seem fair
you should talk about the former member of about u, victor. it's very confusing 😭😭
It's sad cause all this trainees desperately needed the opportunity and nothing can give them back what their careers could've been...
5:00 your welcome
Brilliant
yooooooooooooo. The trainees who were robbed…..
It's understandable any people are upset with Gaeun and Chowon were robbed, and I am too, they were two of my faves.
But I'm really mad about Kim Suhyun getting eliminated first round!! She was one of the ones that caught my attention and they didn't even let her try! That's messed up 😢
Hey love your channel! I watch you a lot on my other account lol. You should totally talk about how Bts or other huge groups gotten so big so fast out of no where? Maybe they sold their soul or some crazy shiz? That’s just a idea lol
I'm sad because there's people who still blaming all the group members... While they're the victim too 😭
My baby Baekho (Kang Dongho) !! T__T
I've only watched S1 and S3 because I cringe when males acting cutesie on cameras 🤣🤣🤣. I didn't follow IOI because I feel like ranked 2 should have been the center and I was devastated but I decided to lowkey follow Gugudan but didn't really stan them. For S3, I kinda also felt the same I wanted Sakura to be the center plus Miu Shitao wasn't part of the group. 😭 But after watching their VLIVEs as IZ*ONE I fell in love. Now it doesn't matter to me who is the center, I love them as a group. But, I am HiChan bias 😁. I am not a KPOP stan but an IZ*ONE only if ZOZI came and the D word happen, my KPOP life will be on a hiatus. 🤣
No more survival shows.
CAP-TEEN, I-LAND (GIRLS VER.) AND LOUDER: AM I A JOKE TO YOU?
@@raveniee2165 And now GIRLS PLANET 999
why no one's talking about Kim Samuel?
Why the set up looks like youth with you's set up?
Too sad that X1 had to disband, when they pretty much did nothing wrong.
MT: "fraudulent voting"
Both sides of American politics: *PTSD*
I think it was unfair that they disbanded X1 but izone got to continue for the time they had left........that was just shady tbh.
The reason why they did that because The X1 members did not have a contract but IZ*ONE did. IZ*ONE had a Japanese Contract, Pledis Contract, OTR contract and it goes on. But X1 sadly didn't. Because of this it made it easier for X1 to disband but harder for IZ*ONE to disband.
somi, one of them,
never trust this type of show ..
Seriously I stopped watching Produce Series after Produce 48, because its obviously rigged. My Lee Chaeyeon in Top 12, the last place!!! And Gaeun and Chowon didn't debut. Goodness. They're more talented than the other members in izone. Well visual is a must for a kpop group. Visuals over Talent and that sucks. Its a talent show not a beauty pageant.
I need to know chaeyeon's real rankingg.
Thank for this but..
WHY DOES YOUR VOICE SOUND LIKE LILYPICHU AND TINAKITTEN?!?😅
When you read enough chinese/korean novel about entertainment world, you wouldn't surprised how dirty that world is. I can't even surprise if sometime later there's a sexual scandal about the ex-contestants.
Especially after IZ*ONE. I'm not hating them. I love a few of their songs and members (not all). But you have to be blind to not see some manipulation going on there. And I'm not surprised if IZ*ONE is byproduct of some shady negotiation.
Y'all we have to cancel MNET lets start a trend like #MNETCANCELLED on twitter so MNET or the so called s🐍 can be taught a lesson
MNET disliked this video lol
Truthfully I couldn’t imagine any of the Produce groups without one of the members, but like these vote manipulators I- oh my gosh I fr wanna smack whatever is in their head like- someone get me the broom 🙄 what makes them think they can just have all these trainees go through so much stress and practice just to have their dreams literally crushed, that’s not cute no thank you 🖐
you sound like the girl from your name
i dont really like bgs but x1 was *it*