Deception 101 || The Inner Workings Of Produce 101 (프로듀스 101)
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what i really wanna know is the actual final lineups for each season
Same
Season 1 is pretty much the same because he said he never changed the final episode just the first ranking, season 2 theirs one member that is not supposed to be in WannaOne. 48&X we'll never know
Patricia Lourensa there was manipulation for 48 and X
After season 2 lineup was revealed, produce 101 facebook account literally posted a different lineup. I didn't get to screenshot it tho but I remember it happen before.
we'll pribably never know because if the actual lineups are released, the members of the manipulated lineup will get hated on and their careers may be finished.
in my opinion it was SO blatantly obvious that iz*one was rigged. jo yuri going from 18 to 3? I’m sorry but there’s no way that was possible given she was getting 0 buzz and was ranking in the 20s in Korean search engines at that time. kim chaewon going from 19 to 10 despite never being in the top 12 before? lee gaeun going from 5 to 14 even thought she never left the top 8? miho going from 2 to 15 even though she was in the top 2 for weeks? shitao miu going from 10 to 18 after rivaling sakura’s numbers on korean media sites and being one of the most popular among the general Korean public? even takeuchi miyu, who had trended for weeks before the final episode and then suddenly ranks 17. I mean seriously, it’s like they were begging for people to investigate them. I like iz*one and don’t think they deserve hate for this, but I think it’s unfair that some of the girls who dreamed to debut in Korea never got the chance because mnet adjusted the votes to what they want.
I really believe that too. It was strange since they clearly showed wanting to have Japanese members in IZ*ONE but barely have any. Some people have said that the j-trainees that were put into the show where ones that had nothing to lose if they join which makes sense considering Jurina left and never came back. I heard Jurina was on hiatus due to health problems but then suddenly see she actually left. She was one of the only j-idols who had a lot to lose being one of the most popular j-idols. Whereas others didn't as I learned Hitomi wasn't as super popular when she was in AKB. She only has a small tight knit fanbase and that's it. So it was clear that the judges were going to be biased as the j-idols that went on were barely known in their own group. Sincerely no hate to the current members of IZ*ONE but there is no way some of these rankings skyrocketed up or down. I mean Chaeyeon is one of the most popular trainees, garnering fans since Sixteen, there's not way she's suddenly down at 12th. Gaeun was the biggest letdown as she was always on top since the beginning. She was a for sure member from the start but suddenly place 14th. No way. Do these staff members really think we wouldn't say anything? As much as I love all these groups and their hard work to get this far and don't deserve the hate their getting or the taken away support, I can't help but do so. One of the main things we could do to try and avoid these situations again is not support it and be vocal about it. I mean no hate to all 4 groups but I can only be vocal in the fact this is all so bad to be doing. Talent is wasted left and right. One of the main pushing reasons to change the lineup is because the current leading top 12 were what? 'Unfit of the IZ*ONE's concept'? Then change up the concept. It's not that hard. Could literally avoid all of this backlash. Again, I mean no hate. Also really loving your username and profile pic. Let's have a mature conversation about this. ^^
same! i lov iz*one
@@CrispChann Theoretically, I feel like PD48 was an audition for IZ*ONE, rather than a popularity contest between idols, hence the rigged rankings. In regards to the Japanese idols, which many of the popular ones were rigged and put between 15-21, I do believe Mnet wanted Japanese members in IZ*ONE. HOWEVER, I believe they didn't anticipate that so many Japanese members would popular on the show and realistically be making IZ*ONE in the non-rigged lineup. The likelihood is that the real IZ*ONE lineup had more Japanese members than Korean or it'd be half and half. I would assume; Kaeun, Chowon, Eunbi, Yena, Chaeyeon, Wonyoung, Sakura, Nako, Miu, Miyu, Miho, and Hitomi were probably along the lines of the real IZ*ONE lineup. I think Yujin and Miru just missed out but I'm not sure. It's for certain that Hyewon, Yuri, Chaewon and Minju are not in the real IZ*ONE lineup and they're all Korean. Mnet wanted to have Japanese idols in IZ*ONE but not half of the group, they wanted it to be predominantly Korean still with only a few Japanese idols as they are a Korean girl group first. As for Kaeun and Chowon rigged out, my theory is that Chaewon, Minju and Hyewon in some shape or form was replacing those two Korean members. (For me I feel like they replaced Chowon with Chaewon and Kaeun with Minju). Conceptually Kaeun and Chowon suit mature concepts and despite their popularity they were booted out because the concept of IZ*ONE being an elegant and dreamy group was pre-planned and the angelic visuals of Hyewon, Chaewon and Minju fit the concept the most (also Wonyoung who was rigged as the center).
Other things to mention, Mnet wouldn't want a Japanese center like Sakura, also if the real lineup comes out I am sure Sakura would also be the only visual of IZ*ONE since Minju and Hyewon won't be in it which again I think tarnishes their Korean-focused agenda. They probably added Yuri because the group was missing a powerhouse vocalist so that's why her rank was rigged so badly.
Agree...
well ofc.... jo yuri is under stone music entertainment. stone music is one of cj enm subsidiaries. guess who's also cj enm subsidiary? the one and only mnet~
when i watched the final produce 48 episode i just knew the lineup was rigged. older members like miyazaki miho and lee gaeun were in the top 12 for quite some time and suddenly they dropped out... which i think is them being too ‘old or ‘mature’ for the concept that was already decided. and that chaeyeon was 12th? it was only to build suspense for the whole audience and sakura, who was literally hyperventilating at that point :/
If you when to the view count of the individual camera performance at the time of the before the final show you would get a good idea of the rankings.
Every time I see that scene of Chaeyeon being tortured at the pleasure of the Pd's. I will not say more.
Raul Aguilar yes completely agree! i will never forgive them for doing that to poor chaeyeon and she has to rewatch it too when they go on shows😓
Pretty much everyone realized that the show was rigged after seeing the final lineup for produce 48. Chaeyeon should’ve been top 3, wonyoung and sakura should’ve switched places. Not only that but there were girls in the final lineup that were *never* in the top 12. It just didn’t make sense.
@@lilacbp3908 All IZ*ONE girls were in the top 12 at some point. Yuri and Chaewon never got to the top 10 in the elimination episodes, but Chaewon got to the 12th place before falling to the 15th place in the last elimination and Yuri got at the 10th place in the middle of the show before falling to the 16th place.
And before you put words in my mouth, I didn't say it wasn't rigged, I'm just correcting a part of your comment.
Axel Vinicius well Im sorry I didn’t know the EXACT placements of each girl 🤷🏽♀️ All I remember was watching the final produce 48 episode and hearing them announce chaewon and me wondering how she got up so high considering I couldn’t remember her...
Why the hell in the 1st place there's a ranking to get good food? That's the most ridiculous thing I ever heard. What are they trying to do with this kids starved them to death? I'm glad that show went out. If I was a parent I would sue but they got what they deserve already.
are they trying to kill the lower ranked kids or something?
@@idontknowanymore9966 I think it's a more like a motivation for the kids who are in low lv to work hard
I don't think they were starved it's more so they weren't given like side dishes which are custom in Korean culture. In America it be like if you went to a restaurant and didn't get bread or fries. Like they got the main meal but they didn't get extra. They weren't really starved. Not saying it's right but at the same time not enough to sue. Also alot of the contestants are like 18-20+ like a small percentage is actually minors.
This is crazy tbh. If you want your Trainee to Improved and skills then eat them very well .
I was sad on this scene it says
Dohyun:Minkyu hyung take a break and eat
Minkyu:i don't Wanna eat beacuse ,I will wanna improve my dancing skills
Disbandment was the best decision for X1, some of the members were going to get a lot of hate through out the long 5-year contract they had in mind. But they should let X1 say goodbye to the fans in some way...at least a single with its music video...what's so hard about that!
JeongHye Yoon | you're right. if x1 had continued to do promotions, they'd get overly huge amounts of hate, and would be limited to the shows they'd be featured in. i love all the boys so much, because i knew that they were going to be _that_ kpop rookie group- the one that will peak at first place, and nothing less. we one its have done all we can, and i'm proud of each and every one of us. your statement of no clear biddings is correct, not even a goodbye and they're gone. let us all stay strong, we can do this, one it
JeongHye Yoon who are you to tell that disband is a good decision.fckn pathetic
@@nznzkskskxi4589 the good news is that some of the x1 members have debuted already, stan cravity
@@nznzkskskxi4589 I mean the whole produce scandal was really large at the time so if X1 and kept promoting they would bound to get hate so honestly disbanding them was probably the smartest choice.
kristy Raza no
X1 and IZ*ONE were supposed to be the main acts of MAMA 2019, there's a reason why Mnet started to mistreat the big 3 groups, specially the whole fiasco with EXO at the MAMA 2017, they wanted them out so they could push their groups more aggresively but it backfired, I don't think it was fair what they did to those kids, but disbandment was, from a company's point of view, the best option, a group with such a damaged reputation couldn't go on, and after this comeback (which was already prepared) IZ*ONE will probably go into a Hiatus as well until their contract ends, and since 2 of the big3 refuse to attend to their music shows they're gonna struggle this year
Karma's a bitch. Not to mention the LOONA incident.
must be crazy looking back at this comment knowing that IZ*ONE is coming back with their full length album BLOOMIZ febuary 17th 😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹
@@HelloKittyLove1 I'm actually happy for them, it's amazing how they keep going, and I hope they succeed despite everything, it's ok to be wrong, I mean, Mnet is still an awful place, but the girls weren't at fault, so let's pray for the best for them, for X1 too, I've heard one of them is coming back as a soloist
Manzana835 Seungyoun! He was already a soloist (WOODZ) before but Im pretty fucking happy his bops are finally getting the deserved attention. I loved his song for a whole ass year before Produce and I only discovered it was him after Love Shot. I was so happy he got to debut since he was my first pick... and yeah, that didn’t pan out well.
im glad that your izone prediction didnt became real lol
X1 quickly went on to become my fav kpop grp and I can’t believe they just disbanded them like that. None of these boys deserve it.
it really does stink that all of this happened. i really did love the program and became attached to the groups like iz*one and especially x1 since they were the first bg from the program i really really got into. it’s so sad to see their potential go to waste and their talent to be doubted since the votes were manipulated. i’ll still always support iz*one and the members of x1
It is super obvious that PD48 basically "disqualified" the oldest members and possibly another Japanese member in exchange for the young Korean girls they wanted in the group. Sakura and Nako were already big names in Japan, the biggest of those who did well in the show. The only surprise is that they didn't boot Hitomi too as she wasn't successful in AKB48 (due to there being SO many damn members and not being a company favorite push like Sakura or Nako were) so they weren't going to get many sales from pre-existing fans from her.
I want to see them do something concrete for those they robbed of spots of even being in the group. The whole "we aren't going to even tell you who they are, but we promise to do something for their future careers" is just bullshit.
Though this is the first I heard that X1 was entirely disbanded over this. But I haven't any respect for the integrity of anyone who buys the IZ*ONE album. The money is going to the company, not the girls. Don't let them use the girls as hostages to excuse their behavior.
your opinion is so damn right , and I believe that the Japanese contestant is gonna be filling the final line up like maybe 7 of them but again and again mnet want already plan this whole thing and remove half of the Japanese contestants , my guess of the Japan contestants is miyazaki miho , shiroma miru , shitao miu , takeuchi miu , miyawaki sakura , yabuki nako and honda hitomi .
honestly i think sakura was supposed to be no.1 but imagine the knetz backlash if a korean survival show is won by a japanese lol
*I just want to see what the real line ups would look like*
Same...
1. No. I think the members that wanted to stay together and promote should’ve been allowed to do so since they’d worked so hard and gone through so much pain only for it all to be stripped away.
2. Yes 100%. Netizens have a right to know who actually won since they/we voted for it! It should definitely have been released to the public and still should be. It’s only fair.
I agree with number 1 but number 2 I'll have to disagree with. Yes it'll be fair to release the actual line up that was voted for by viewers but think about how it would affect the boys that aren't supposed to be in the final line up but were put in by the producers? I mean they're already mentally traumatized by all this and revealing the fact that a specific member or 2 wasn't even supposed to debut would just add salt to the wound. I feel like it's best for everyone if the real debuting group stays hidden for now.
I mean even if they did reveal the real line up what good would that do? Its already announced that X1 have disbanded. These innocent kids have been through enough, let's not make it worse for them.
@@leyIand But you say it like IZ*ONE was the main victim. They're not. Don't act like the members who debuted are the only victims. The trainees that didn't debut are the MAIN victims. As much as I love IZ*ONE I feel more bad for the trainees that didn't debut. They deserve to be known. It's not fair that IZ*ONE continues to get the spotlight and the fame and the money while the other trainees are probably disappointed in what could have been. IZ*ONE has all the love and will continue to get all the love, the other trainees are just forgotten.
@@chaera4475 But what is that going to accomplish though? Do you know how much that will ruin everything? How much hate certain members will get? The member who made the group even if they weren't supposed to would probably get ridiculed and hated on. It could ruin their lives despite none of this being their fault. Some toxic stans would begin trending hate hashtags like 'x member quit izone now' (remember what they did to EXO's Chen when they found out he's getting married and is having a kid?). It would just create even more unnecessary problems. If they ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO reveal the real final line up then it should be revealed to the trainees themselves and not to the public. We have no business knowing.
@@chaera4475 And yes all 200 plus trainees are the victims. There is no MAIN victim. Because of this mess created by the adults they're ALL traumatized and confused. They're just kids for crying out loud. The ones that debuted are as much of a victim as the ones that didn't. Imagine if you went to the Olympics and won a gold metal, naturally you'd be so proud of yourself and all the hardwork you put in to get there... then 2 or 3 years down the line it's revealed that the whole thing was rigged and there's a good chance that you weren't even supposed to get a metal. Any normal person would feel crushed. I say it's not worth it. Let the real line up stay hidden.
@@lexiluna4678 I personally don't think the ones that didn't debut will be 'hurt' by this. It'll definitely affect them but not hurt them. The ones that debuted will be the ones hurt by this. Simply because they currently have the public's eyes on them, they've debuted and therefore are considered idols. Meanwhile those who haven't yet are still trainees and most of them are kind of anonymous/unknown.
If, for example, Kang Daniel wasn't supposed to debut he would most likely get hate and it'll hurt his career meanwhile if Kim Jaehwan was supposed to debut none of this would've hurt him necessarily. It'll only affect him because of the exposure and recognition that was stolen from him.
But yeah this whole thing sucks for both sides. I believe there NEEDS to be some sort of compensation to all the trainees that were robbed and to the idols that were deceived.
How did she rank 12 when she’s one of the most popular members. If international votes were allowed she would have ranked 1 i think.
CHAEYEON DESERVED BETTER
I feel like they just made that for the drama. Chaeyon being in the group is more hyped than the Rank 1 member.
i love chaeyeon and stuff but i think that even if the votes weren't rigged she would end up in similiar rank, because even tho she is very talented koreans really care about looks and sadly chaeyeon isn't considered beautiful in korea
Nope, Chaeyeon is popular in both international and korea. Everytime I watch an Iz*one live stage all the korean comments only mention Chaeyeon "와 이채연!!" "역시 채연이" "채연언니 대박!!". All I see are Chaeyeon comments. Plus she's been kn 2 survival shows which is probably why she was so popular. She probobly ranked last so her fans would freak out, and she has a LOT of fans
@@eyeson5235 girl, Chaeyeon is super popular in korea, I'm not a Chaeyeon bias so I'm not saying this cause she's my bias. I'm pretty sure she ranked 3rd place in the 3rd(?) elimination. She's been in 2 survival shows prior to pd48. The koreans love Chaeyeon
Thank you for this! I loved the video.
Personally I don’t think X1 should’ve been disbanded. I feel like nothing came out of that choice expect eleven broken dreams. The companies still got away with the rigging and will continue to release groups and programs as if nothing happened. The only ones disbandment will truly affect are the members - who were victims themselves. Due to their companies actions, they had to face months of public hate and criticism. They were banned from shows and CFs. Many of the members are minors so I can only imagine how much mental damage they must’ve gone through these past few months at the hands of their agencies choices.
Dispatch revealed that the members wanted to stay together and they asked the CEO if they could attend the meeting - their voice was silenced as they were denied. The Swing CEO’s father told a fan the leader tried more than twice to fight for the group. They weren’t allowed to release a goodbye song or a goodbye video. They were made to leave their dorms a week later.. Although the group were together for only six months, they had truly become a family. It’s evident all eleven boys are hurt from what has happened. If you watch Seungwoo’s first insta live, you can easily see how distraught he is. Hangyul and Dohyons first Vlive, all they did was talk about X1 and say how blessed they were to experience being in the group. During Eunsang’s, he began singing a song he used to sing when he was in X1 and suddenly stopped midway, his face dropping.. its sad. The mess was caused by adults but only the children faced the consequences
I believe it was the right choice, they would've face hate all their career, and the stigma would've followed them everywhere, "ah, there's the cheating group", fans are one thing, but the casual viewers, other group stans, and general public would've made their lifes a living hell, this decision will allow them to run from that and start all over, and it is a clear warning for future survival shows, that's the real reason why they disbanded them; they're rookies, they don't have a solid fanbase, they don't have the consessions older, bigger groups have, like Big Bang who can keep going despite several and worst scandals because they have influence and a trajectory that backs them up; X1 have none of that and they, unfortunately, were the easiest target in all this mess.
Is it fair? No, it isn't, they didn't deserve any of this.
Manzana835 I’m sorry but I disagree with that ;-;
About their public image - As a fan of X1, I’m well aware of how the public have been viewing them. At the start, during November, their image was bad and disbandment then would’ve made sense to me at that point. However as the investigation continued and it was revealed that the whole show was rigged, along with all four seasons, the public reaction towards X1 started to improve. A lot of people realised it wasn’t the kids at fault, but the agencies. The public image improved further when X1 were stated by the Prosecution Office to be victims and excluded from the trail as a whole on the 20th of December. I don’t think the stigma would’ve followed them at all. It was already starting to fade as 2020 began with the new information the police investigation had provided. I think, with the members wanting to remain together, they were also aware of that. Five years is also a very long time.
As for your second point, about X1 being rookies and not having a solid fan base - that’s also not true. X1 were rookies however as rookies, with just their debut album, they sold over half a million albums and were the best selling boy group rookie of 2019. I wish I could send pictures of charts on RUclips so you could see the numbers yourself ;-; With their debut show con, they filled out the whole of Gocheok Dome.They had a solid fan base despite being so young - which is odd but true. The protest mentioned in this video kind of proves that. Usually protests concerning Kpop groups only gather 30 protesters at best. The OneIt Protest for X1 gathered 1000 people. The protest was also mentioned last minute and prepared in just five days, which makes that even more amazing. Despite being disbanded for a month, X1 are still on the billboard social 50 with names like BTS, EXO, NCT etc. I’m in an X1 international support group - whenever we ask OneIts to submit a form, numbers rack up to 21K. They have a solid fan base. Maybe it’s because four members are already experienced idols with fans who went through a hard time and X1 was their big break. Either way, it’s definitely solid.
Manzana835 The way X1 were disbanded so brutally, I don’t think the members will get over that. Like I said, they can’t even hide their pain during Vlives :( They filmed a comeback during December and a reality show in November. During the hiatus, each member would always sign for fans with X1 in their autograph. A week before disbandment, they were dying their hair, getting haircut etc the things idols usually do before filming MVs. X1 truly thought they were going to go back to fans again, only for that to not happen in a ten minute agency meeting ;-; The fans didn’t get closure, we didn’t even get a goodbye video. X1 members didn’t get closure either.
As individuals, their popularity is divided. They won’t be as relevant separate as they were together. Like WannaOne - they were the biggest boy group in 2018 and their success as individuals will never match how huge they were as a group. X1 members won’t be able to experience even half of what they could’ve together and that’s another reason why I disagree - like I said, the only ones disbandment will truly affect is just the members 💔
@@morgenstern3086 it is truly a cruel decision, like I said, it's not fair, and it's not their fault, they were the easiest target, that's it. And I agree that the public opinion improved a lot as time passed and their fans have made quite impressive movements for their group. There's hope for a rebrand however since they're from different companies it's unlikely all of them will come to an agreement.
However I think I need to explain a bit more my point regarding the fandom and concessions: they do have a big fandom and were, as some may say, monster rookies, but rookies nonetheless, there's a difference between a big and a solid fanbase, for example, Super Junior have a SOLID fanbase, they will support them despite everything cause they have long time attachments and have endured many hardships and scandals, they have those sales assured; on the other hand Blackpink has a BIG fanbase, but when you compare their sales with other big3 girl groups they don't sell as much, and are not constant other than with views, everyone knows about them but poor management and a constant stream of little scandals have turned them into easy targets, many would claim to support them, but in reality their sales do not reflect their popularity, there's a similar issue with X1, people on the board can't be sure they'd sell as much as the signs say, I've signed some of them but can assure you I wouldn't buy their album (don't have money), they're too new for fans to prioritize them over older, more stable groups, and they don't have the umbrella of a big company.
@@morgenstern3086 also I'd like to repeat that I don't approve the way they proceeded with the whole thing, since it seemed rushed and unfair to exclude the members from the meetings, and if the fans manage to convince the companies to rebrand them I'll pray for their success, for God knows how much those kids have suffered cause of some greedy men. But if they ultimately stay separated I hope they get fair treatment and succeed in whatever they do.
I feel like even if it does get revealed they should only reveal who WOULD'VE made it and not the members that WOULDN'T have made it.
I get why people may think it's unfair that izone gets to continue and x1 doesn't but let me explain.... izone are already half way into their contract and are also signed with a powerful japanese company. meanwhile x1 never signed a contract with cj and the contract time was 5 years. as for izone, they only have one year left. so that is a major difference. I also feel things are going to be different with izone, music shows and brands will treat them the way they treated x1 but all we can do is support them. /: I just hope these companies cut them some slacks since the investigation is now over and the parties apologized and mentioned there would be compensation for the victims of the rigging. but idk... I feel they will still be harsh. izone's name is now tarnished thanks to mnet.
it’s sad that the other groups are pretty much fine and cj will be fine too. the x1 members are the ones who did nothing but had their dream taken away :( i wish them all the best in the future
I love the production that goes into this channel! Well thought out and the voice over is perfect for this type of content. Thank you for all that you do!
ever since the first produce shows, i could sense that there was a lot more controversy going on behind the scenes. each season was clearly rigged in some way or felt off and its kinda sad how no one picked up on it until the truth was revealed and we got the full details. although i was not a x1 fan, i empathize for x1 since i've witnessed many groups have no choice but to disband or to have something bad happen to them. it must suck so bad to be able to go through so many hardships just to debut but then see your talent and health gone to waste in an instant. i wish the best for the members and the former trainees who get the justice they deserve.
first of all, i love your videos! second, i think a big issue is how cj and mnet are always saying they will compensate the victims and take fans into consideration but ive yet to see them do that. they played around and exploited these trainees yet izone and x1 were used as a scapegoat. those higher ups hid behind them while pretending they were all for "justice". third, the whole x1 situation is ridiculous. the members' opinions and fans' desires should've been considered. the way their disbandment came about, despite cj saying they will support x1's future activities, is just so unsettling.
How do you calculate the compensation? It will take time to determine the full scope of damages to be understood. What the PD did and who and how they were hurt by their actions in the courts. Also with Iz-one and 1X fate had not been determined those are the gauges of what the damages are.
I'm kinda sad that the X1 members will probably suffer from a tainted career, even though they didn't know about anything. They have to suffer because the higher ones fucked them up.
It makes me so mad that they made X1 disband and Iz*one gets to continue their activities. Both groups are super talented and deserve better. Just because something is rigged, doesn't mean it doesn't get good results. It wasn't fair to the people who should've been in both respective groups, but remember that these shows also end up giving the trainees a chance to be picked up by other companies to be put in groups later down the road, or become solo artists. That doesn't excuse MNet or the agencies who did this, but X1 should've been given the chance that Iz*one is getting, and that I.O.I and Wannaone received.
I don’t think that’s a fair assessment that just because it’s rigged doesn’t mean it doesn’t get good results. How do you know they weren’t gonna get the same if not better results had they left it to the viewers?? It just defeats the whole purpose of the show to begin with
@@andredrw289 I mean, fair.
MonbebeMonstaX7 like to me, it’s morally not fair for a group who was picked from the beginning but continued with this viewers choice narrative to continue cause they ended up taking people’s money for votes that didn’t matter in the first place
Iz*one alredy has a big fandom and has everything prepared for a comeback. X1 was still a rookie and doesnt hace that much fans, also its not like they give izone a chance and not to x1, the x1 boys agencies were desesperated to get their trainees out of the temporal group, it wasn’t all mnet, it was the boys agencies desicion to not continue the group.
IZ*ONE already signed their contracts that's why they didn't disband. X1 haven't.
I believe that no group should have disbanded even if the votes were rigged because in the end it’s not the members fault. No the police should not release the name of the trainees that were “helped” it’ll only bring them hate
At the end of season two Kim Jonghyun (JR), who'd always been in the top 11 was suddenly out. I remember then being suspicious, because it seemed really weird. The excuse was that the live voters, thinking he was a shoo in, didn't vote for him and that's why he didn't get in. Right now though, I am pretty sure that he was just cut from the group. I always knew that the editing favored some trainees over others and it was rare that my favorite trainee made it to the end. I followed them though as they went to other groups and felt that the exposure they got on the show was still good for them, whether they made the final lineup or not. I also remember when Kim Mingi (Ren) was crying on the show. Ren's always so positive and cheerful that it really worried me to see him crying like that. I knew something there was wrong, but I didn't know what. That the lowest ranks weren't getting fed well disgusts me. If you can't properly support 101 trainees, then don't have that many! I am deeply upset and disappointed by this whole scandal.
I would like to know who really won because those kids that were eliminated deserve to know how much support they really got. I am certain that many of them believed that they were lacking and that's why they lost. To tell them that it wasn't their fault is important and I think they deserve that.
Disbanding the two groups is the right thing to do, even if I loved both groups and was ready to support them regardless. They got to their positions in an unfair way and if they continued then they'd be providing more money to the very people who cheated the public. I will still support the kids from those shows because they were all hard working and talented people who aren't at fault for the manipulations of higher ups. But, Mnet needs to not do shows like this again without a transparent voting system that is monitored in real time by an outside, impartial group of adjudicators.
BJ Rosen don’t forget Kim Samuel season 2 he always had one of the highest rankings yet was never able to get in the group.
imo pledis was involved too bcs nu'est can't continue with just 3 members
My theory is that Samuel and JR should have been in the group but with the rigging switching JR for Minhyun because they needed the vocalist (hear any wanna one song they really needed him) and for Samuel I think Sungwoon was the one who replaced Samuel because that number 2 out of nowhere is too suspicious and the ones that pays are companies not trainees or maybe Jisung but he was really really really popular in the show so that is my theory :v
I know this is late but I was thinking about this recently. Companies like Pledis and TOP Media did something to only have one trainee in. Looking at the picture of leaked photo of JR being in the top 12, Baekho was also there two. Pledis would be losing three members of NU’EST, leaving only Ren and Aron. If we look at Produce 101, the group that has been doing best of the IOI members is WJSN, because they debuted and promote before IOI disbanded. Pledis would do this to keep the popularity of NU’EST while they would be away. If we look at the member popularity, the show did a lot for NU’EST and they got a win when they came back. It kept their hype as the group NU’EST, not being a former Wanna One group, and made Pledis more money. I think TOP Media wanted to do the same for Up10tion, but this is just my theory.
Also, I just want to point out NU’EST member popularity again. The other members are way more popular than Aron, the only one not in Produce. The others seem to be known but not really him. If the other three were in Wanna One, it would be Minhyun, Baekho, JR, and friends (Ren and Aron). Luckily now, NU’EST is an entity together like WJSN, unlike how Weki Meki can be seen. Just a thought.
I don't think they should say which members received help to get into the group, it would only damage their image and they may not even have the fault, but I do think they should state which trainees were affected and supposed to be in the group, so at least we can know who made it, and it wouldn't affect that much the image of certain members as it would saying who wasn't in the original Line Up*
im still salty that x1 needs to disband but iz*one still gets all the hype and still able to get comebacks and still promoting
That's what I'm saying! Mnet's explanation on wanting Izone to continue promoting included "please consider they are hurt from what they did not cause". Bruh X1 members feel the same way, why is it only Izone gets an emotional reasoning like that?
X1 was treated differently because no contracts were really signed yet. Izone is halfway through theirs so its unfortunate but it makes the most sense. Yes they could've formed a group with the members who wanted to stay i guess but we don't know exactly how many members that was or how they felt about it. I'm fine with IZONE coming back i mean they will eventually split what a year from now? so what , let them finish it out.
I don't think any good or anything can come from releasing the members who were switched around. They are trying to prevent having more victims and with how S. Korea tends to handle these sorts of things it would just be a witch hunt. Why do that when Izone has a year left? Pointless imo.
IZ*ONE's contract will be over around April 2021
Honestly X1 would've been such a revolution with the climate of today's kpop. Like they could've been global and the fact that 5/9 of the companies didn't see this potential after scoring half a million in sales FOR AN F-ING ROOKIE GROUP was insane.
Still upset about X1 disband, the Members are innocent and I believe they have so clue about this. They all worked so hard, they went through much hardship, criticisms and practices just to debut. Some of them are going back to their company as trainees with their head down, feeling like they aren’t good enough which can affect their mental health. X1 should stay together and the production team isn’t right though. They rigged the show especially since all the trainees to work so damn hard but they shouldn’t have disband the boys. I believed that they only chose the boys that are popular so the group could gain lots of popularity. It is upsetting to see that the production teams are rigging the shows, I feel bad for the boys and other trainees. I hope they deserve better debuts in the future.
#OneIt4Ever I love and miss X1.
The drama: 🤔😓😨😭😭😡😔
Midnight Theories editings: 🕸🕷😧s PoOkY👻👻👻
I'm glad they didn't release the names of the participants who were rigged into the final line up
They would probably have received major backlash for something that wasn't necessarily their fault
Well, now Mnet is coming back with another similar show Girl's Planet 999.
Here we go agaim XD
i've been waiting for an upload from you for a while now, i'm glad it's a topic i like theories about :)
stream fiesta by iz*one when it comes out :)
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Even if the winners were picked before the final episode their tears, injuries, worries and tiredness were pretty real, and I feel very sad because all of the guys who were wasted :(
You're right.
I love your videos! I love to watch them at night to get the mood right lol
I absolutely love the way you structure your videos! Thank you so much for what you do
Lets be honest, they didn't disband Izone because of the brand deals, established popularity, and the money flow coming in. Mnet was not concerned about anyone's feelings.
I love Wonjin with a passion and with all the sneaky shit starship did I’m surprised he still ended up getting slept on
I love your videos so much ! Please keep making them
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The show was obviously rigged from the start. As much as I adore the groups that debuted, I really think they should released the names who benefited and the ones that should've been debuted.
Disbanding X1 was the right thing to do from a business perspective. They were a rookie group and yet their reputation was already stained. One way or another they would have disband.
As for IZ*ONE, i dont think they should continue promoting. It's like sending the girls to war and watch their reputation go down in flames. They would never come out of this unscathed.
Jeshelle Cerbito Yh I feel as if they’ll always always get someone hating them or criticising them for this :(
It would’ve been CJ's biggest mistake to disband IZ*one. They are very successful in Korea, Japan and even Internationally. They signed contracts with CJ way before this blew up. Their album had over 400k Pre-orders and thats massive for a girl group. (Twice sells between 350-450k per album) and they sold over 1million album copies until now.
Their reputation here in Korea (where i live) is still good. They have enough support and are already one of the biggest girl groups in Kpop.
And to reveal the benefited Trainee's and Idols would not only hurt their groups but also their own career so that would just lead to more Hate and you’ve seen last year what hate could do to some persons.
@@KaiLifeTV But IZ*ONE's reputation took a big hit as well, if they continue after this comeback it's likely that their sales will go down, a lot, besides I'm worried about the members, they're gonna recieve constant hate, it's just not fair for anyone involved, like OP said, they'd never come out of this unscathed
@@Manzana835 You're wrong. Yes its right that the first 1-2 weeks after it got revealed both groups took a hit but soon afterwards the General public didn’t had anything against them anymore. Their reputation is pretty good right now here in Korea.They will maybe have some less sales but even then they will have one of the best selling girl groups albums this year. I dont know where your way of . thinking about this comes from but they will not get constant hate nor will their career take a hit or something like that.
@@KaiLifeTV let's pray you're right, they really don't deserve to pay for something they had no say in, and let's hope the management takes things seriously and promotes them correctly so they can keep up with those numbers, they worked very hard and deserve to keep that success :)
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The people should have stopped watching this crap after the producer called it porn.
Produce101 is the same as puppy mills. People cry and whine and complain and demand legal actions. But the one thing they won't do is to NOT GIVE IT MONEY. Sorry, guys, but you can't pretend you have no responsibility in this. After Season 2 there were so many scandals already and people STILL tuned in for two more seasons. To think that such a show is clean and fair and flawless is just delusional.
And yes, Mnet will continue making shows like that, slap a different name on it and pretend all this never happened and YES, people will watch it and no lasting reprecussions will happen as long as millions of viewers eat that shit up.
The groups should be disbanded as neither Mnet nor the bribing companies should keep making money off them.
I knew damn well when Samuel didn’t make it into wannaone I knew it was rigged
For real, I was like they must be bullshitting right now right?
@@dodioxoopey8843 yeah cuz it made no damn sense
Early for once and you are back lots of love 🖤
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this video is so well made like :0
x1 shouldn’t have disbanded. the real ranking should not be released bc i feel they would cause even more harm and put a greater label than just being from a disbanded group to the x1 members. it doesnt make sense to me that x1 has disbanded yet those who were also in the top 10 are having schedules right now bc all of the editing and rigging is honestly normal for every survival show. the whole top 20 was most likely rigged at some point and difference of treatment between the debuted vs the runner ups is insane in my opinion. i think it was pretty obvious that every season was rigged in some way and the fact it all had to come crashing down on x1 is heartbreaking. the members deserve so much more than this
While i was watching this video, i thought that the members of x1 shared their thoughts and opinion on this matter of disbandment, but what was stated in the video left me shook. I was shook because these boys worked hard to get the spots for X1. I know all their rankings were rigged but the boys gave their all for debuting, promoting together, and creating a bond with each of their members, and now they r being disbanded only after their debute? Not even without their opinion? Eversince i was into kpop, mnet was my fav broadcasting station, and still to this day. I always looked forward to all their programs, reality shows, music shows, MAMA, MGMA, and ofc; produce 101. In my opinion, mnet should continue with their Survival shows. U might think its wrong, but the fault goes to the producers and the companies, not the broadcasting platform. They even stated to be actively participating in helping with the investigation. I always liked their content, and i know they have their own faults, but everyone does. The industry isn't fair. I just hope that the x1 and iz*one members, viewers, fans, and the people who like them in general, get the justice they deserve.
If u read the whole comment, thank you very much. And lets hope for a better and brighter future for all the idols in the industry.
Mnet may be participating in the investigation but that doesn’t mean they didn’t have a hand in it. I mean they’ve been doing this since season 1 and have gotten away with it til now
@Andre Drew i can understand they r also at fault, but its really hard to say, or wrap my head around the situation. I'm young and don't understand the world properly so my opinions may be invalid or wrong, sorry for that
Arshiya Rahee I mean MNET has had some shady instances for a while now so this rigging scandal didn’t really shock me. Your opinions aren’t invalid but you have to know the history of these types of shows to understand better
Oh shit............. i'm extremely sorry
You have such a soothing voice
I think a good idea would have been mini groups and had them debut in different songs NCT style. It’s time heavy and puts idols on hold but at the same time it’s a good way to promote trainees and showcase them. Having fans vote on songs instead of members if they have trust issues is also a better strategy they could’ve taken but they didn’t know what they were doing and were shook by “Pick Me”’s popularity. They weren’t expecting it to be on the level it was and so when they got to the end they failed themselves and the kids even if no one knew. It’s a shame to have fans question all that talent.
i don’t think it would be beneficial to know who got rigged in... however I do think that knowing who should have actually won would be good. It would at least be some kind of vindication for those who were cheated as well as showing their respective companies how popular and debut worthy they are
I'm only thankful that all my faves participated in mnet's survival shows didn't make it high there and peacefully debuted with their groups that make beautiful music.
I wanna know what the real votes were.
It really sucks that the groups were punished for things they had no control over. It's not like they said they wanted their companies to manipulate votes for them.
You're right.
This is one of the reasons I can't with these idol survival shows. The only one I take exception to is the one that gave us Stray Kids.
And even that one couldn't avoid being heartbreaking for the sake of having more audience 😢
I agree
I loooove your videos
It still dosent make sense on why they had to make a deal about this, just becouse of this controversy X1 had to disband. Why does X1 need to disband but IZ*ONE just went on a break? Just because that the votings were rigged that doesnt mean that the trainees feelings and hard work was fake. X1 didnt need to disband just because of their companies wrong doings. These boys really wanted to debut, Wanna One was one of the best groups Produce 101 had made.
it because X1 didn't sigh a contract iz*one did so Iz*one have to fufill it
This is literally one of those situations where a win-win solution is hard to formulate. I mean yes "on the long run" something good will happen, however one side will be negatively affected.
21:51 No, and HELL no, the idols more than likely had no say in what happened, and finding out who benefited from the rigging could be dangerous for them!
Wait so does anyone know who was supposed to be the center for last year's Pick me?
Alfredo Villalobos Zavaleta it hasn’t been said yet
9:01 =Kinda ironic that just a second ago the commercial was the Mv of The Flash by X1...
iz*one is coming back on feb 17 well hello let's celebrate that
Poor X1. After all their hard work and their potential, they were just disbanded.
I love EXCELENT, they shouldn't had disbanded.
I hope ICELAND does a comeback.
LOL the captions
idol room was never aired but someone bought all of the videos but didnt upload it on twitter except the Fiesta dance
What happened was just..... so unfair for everyone.
Let me explain...
Every *real* winner from each season should had debuted, it was only fair for those people and for the people who voted for them. Yes, it was really bad and just plainly terrible, to steal the hopes from the *real* winner and to give it to other who just didn’t work enough to get it (not saying the ones who are in a group because of rigged voting don’t deserve to be in the group, everyone who is in the group deserve it, I’m trying to talk with an unbiased point of view).
I started stanning the groups AFTER they debuted, I started stanning IZ*ONE, X1 and Wanna One years (and respectively a month for X1) after their debut, that means I didn’t watch the Produce for each group. So I really didn’t know the trainees fro the produce’s because I loved each member for the actual groups. (Putting this here for you to not think I was just salty my biases or bias didn’t get to the lineup for the groups)
Does Produce really stop its transmission? Not really, I know they stopped because of the events but maybe, just maybe, they could redeem that, by maybe THIS TIME actually not messing the lineups.
Do the members of each group deserve all this hate and backlash? NO, NOT. AT. ALL. You can see in their faces they actually thought people voted for them to be there, that they could achieve their dreams, their faces were so honest and excited you cannot say they were involved with this scandal.
Is Mnet shit? Yes. (Just wanted to put an aside but close opinion too)
But still, it was Mnet’s fault, not the groups. You can’t shit on the groups when they didn’t do anything wrong.
And lastly, let’s respect their privacy too.
PD: And never please, comment maliciously on an idol, and don’t comment on their lives neither. Kang Daniel was diagnosed with depression because of this types of comments and I don’t want more tragedies to come.
10:55
*cough Moon Hyunbin cough*
God, I remember when all Nu'est members except Aron joined PD 101 Season 2 and they got done dirty by Mnet.
I feel sorry for them how unfair those trainees must have felt..!
Don't mess with fans they are secretly mini detectives!
X1 should not have disbanded. And I don’t think sharing which idols votes were manipulated would help at all, it would be very damaging. They should have just had X1 go on a hiatus and bring them back, they worked so hard.
All they could’ve done was debut their groups instead of putting them into survival shows
I think that the members who were supposedly on X1 was shown in the beginning of the video (Jinhyuk + Jungmo + Minkyu)
Obviously Jungmo was probably switched with Minhee, Starship probably knew that Jungmo had more potentials when it comes to vocals and visuals (no hate for Minhee but i think Jungmo can do falsettos and high notes better, if you listen to ippeo ippeo some parts of Minhee are not his but the guide version's voice) so i don't think they'll send him away to X1. And Minkyu's case is probably more on CJ or Mnet, they probably dropped him, even if he had a big fanbase, same with Jinhyuk.
I'm really not surprised. I mean it's show biz, it's not always going to be fair and it's most likley going to be scripted because the trainees (or contestants) might say things the show producers might not want them to say. So, they script the show so that the contestants say what the producers want them to say (I think they might also do it for the judges? idk).
Also I was reading the comments on some of these dark side of Produce 101 videos by Midnight Theories and I saw on one of them some comments said that it was confirmed that the ranks and votes were rigged. Really Mnet?? I think that's going too far. And if the idols of the groups created from Produce shows (like Wanna One, IZ*ONE, X1, I.O.I) know about the rigged rankings and votes than it must, unimaginably, hurt so much for them to know that they weren't actually supposed to be in the group.
Sorry for the long comment but if you did read it thank you.
Oh god idk butt they shouldn’t have disbanded also for some reason it is good that they disbanded
Because some of the members like jinhyuk minkyu deserved so much but for me idk if it’s okay to say because I might offend some too but some members I thought don’t deserve to debut but these two who all of us thought will debut
Anyways Woosoek could debut that was most the important happiest thing I could ever get ❤️❤️
Honestly quite sad... That may be in some episodes there are trainees who joined that Fans did love more but ended up having their votes transferred to the ones the companies chose that fans did love less but ended up loving more in the latter stages... Such a shame that their chance was stolen in the end...
1) I think it’s best for the members to have x1 disbanded because they would have been labelled as a rigged group and never truly looked at for their talents
2)What members do you think were rigged in each group ?
I think there were more rigged out members in IZONE, a lot of Japanese trainees were hella popular as well as Kaeun. Heck Chaeyeon was in a higher position than what was said
MNET YOU JUST DESTROYED 11 YOUNG KIDS DREAM!!!!
this is late bcs i just found the video passing on my yt home ><
i think izone & x1 members did nothing wrong and shouldn't have gone through their hiatus and disbandment. i feel kinda bad it had to happen to them but at least izone is now back on their feet and going to have another comeback^^
this may seem a bit apart but i wonder if produce had never existed. granted, the produce series bring something fresh and new to the kpop scene at that time. especially knowing that there are 101 contestant. it's really great too that we could find hidden gems on the show like chungha, who would find it hard to make it in the industry if not for her making it in produce.
but in a way, produce series also damaged the kpop industry by exposing hundreds of trainees to debut in a temporary group. ever since w1, bulk buying albums and mass streaming is even more apparent despite their songs, outfits, and album packagings were halfassed. the industry became even more competitive and groups that debuted in 2016-2017 were stunted of their growth because they didn't have much window to reel in fans (bcs most fans were drawn to the temporary w1).
now that they are no more, most of the produce winners current promoting group are not doing so well and the fans that supported the produce groups feel kinda like a fever dream. wonder what's going to happen more in the future........
This is why I don’t want survival shows
actually iz*one real members are the line before the final line.
maybe had 1 or 2 different members.
Can you make a video on TRCNG? :)
oof i leave the kpop fandom for two years and end up missing a lot
1. kind of, i didnt want disbandment but i would of liked them to have move to another company with a change of contract. which i would of gone with a rolling contract which would mean the members themselves could have some chance of organising a better chance for themselves. whether they ended up with a shorter time or a contract that went into other directions. Also if they moved to another company they could do a change of name and purchased the rights to the previous songs. which meant the hard work those boys did wouldnt go to waste and they could show their talents without the mnet shadow staining their career. and yes with public view they will always be the ones who paid for a free ride because of a few.
2. the releasing of the actually results would cause mayhem. for many reasons one for the previous "winners" will always be "winners" and then it will become tribal with whatever group or idol that lost out "real winners" that will be cruel to these young people and they will have that tar stuck to them for the rest of any idol work. I would hope that the police release the lists to the companies and idols that took part in the shows. so the companies and idols can work together in everyones best interest. yes i will admit i would love to know but i know with any fandom it will only hurt all the people who went on those shows.
I would support a sub unit that was the members who were supposed to make it. As long as the ones who did make it publicly isn’t apart of it.
Is this the reason why yg isn’t letting somi comeback so soon, to wait for this scandal to blow over?
The number of ads is so irritating
I honestly don't get why people where so made about X1 due to their short promotion and I think considering all the young members it will negatively affect them in the long run to continue voting. I do want to say all the news I have read state that for the first season only the first voting was rigged but the final wasn't. But maybe their were some updates that haven't been stated. Honestly I like the produce series because it does give trainees you might never know some spotlight but it'll be hard to make sure no other show is ever ridged again.
Lastly of course Idol School was ridged barely anyone watched it and alot of the girls couldn't sing or dance to save their lives.
first off i will admit that i was never an x1 stan, but i was never an anti. personally think it might have been the better option to disband the group. even before debut and he rigging scandal news broke out, the boys and mnet were facing controversy for having to many similarities to loona and nct. although this was a somewhat small scandal -- especially in comparison to the rigging sandal -- i have no doubt that controversy would been brought back up by fans of loona and nct, and x1 antis; and you can bet the online articles by koreaboo and soompi would follow soon after. the boys don't deserve the extra criticism they would have received if they had been made to continue promoting together, it isn't fair to them.
the petty loona and nct comparisons came from stan twt literally no knetz ever heard abt or cared and it was never a big deal lmao
Why do you even trust things from koreaboo🥴
i think it was best for x1 to disband, as much as i didn't want them to. they would've been walking around with the burdening hate and lingering feeling that some of them didn't belong there. and as much as i'm curious to find out which members were/weren't supposed to be in the group, it would bring so much unnecessary hate towards that member. i just hope that subunit will happen soon, but i will continue to support every single member.
What happened to the kids who got cheated?
Loona jinsoul 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍
I will subscriber if I see more loona vids
rigged votes or not, I am just sad for X1 since they had nothing to do with it…Iz*one as well
sorry i keep commenting ahah i have so many thoughts as the video continues 😅 it seems as thought woolim knew junho would debut (?) but i really hope that they didnt know because that would be reallllly bad. i would hope they are victims in this too. i think we should know what specific members who DIDNT make it but should of. they should have some compensation or fame since they were taken out of arguably some of the most popular groups of the generation
none of the trainees had any knowledge of the rigging prior to the news coming out so no, none of the KIDS are at fault. They are ALL victims ESPECIALLY X1.
zhuyu you would hope so. im just saying bc we truly will never know. im not saying that on hate on any of the boys their hard work is not something that can be manipulated 💗
Butterball2829 well its not that we dont know we DO know the police already confirmed it lmao
zhuyu u realise tho how easy it could be for someone just to keep their mouth shut and pretend?
When theories about loona's universe
In my opinion is that it is not what we wanted to happen
Can you pls do a theories about taeun "taemin and Naeun"
I think both groups shouldve disbanded & redo the whole season fairly...
I agree but that would be making them all become even more mentally and emotionally exhausted from enduring Mnet's mistreatment.
So It's a bit late but I will answer. To your question number 1 if it is right for X1 to disband, I would say NO. As a fan, of course I would say no. But the incident is not their fault. And the higher-ups should have included X1 in their meeting wether they'll continue or not to know the group's opinion. But they haven't given a chance to do so. They've just literally debuted and then after 5 months they disbanded? Like they supposed to promote for 5 YEARS not 5 MONTHS. But some fans are still pushing for the X1 unit.
For the 2nd question, I think it's a half/half. But for me, I think it's a bad idea to release the names during that time. Because the current members could have been criticize more if it was released at that time. There's also a part of me that is still INDEED curious of who are the victims and who are the trainees that should've been in the final line-up, X1.
Well, who knows there might be a superhero that could restore all X1 members to re-debut even though some of them already debuted/came back to their respective groups. Who knows😉 I'm still hoping.