W: Embarking animations in Titanfall, and why they matter
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- some words about how a thing in a game isn't as good as the thing in the game before it even though it doesn't affect gameplay it's just a subjective thing really but whatever.
EDIT: apparently there was an explanation from 9 months ago go read it / d701y4j
sorry I haven't posted a video in fifty years
also yeah I totally stole that joke
From MP designer Brent McLeod (Scriptacus):
www.reddit.com/r/titanfall/comments/6o9cxy/respawn_ama/dkg8an5
"Re first person Titan embarking: We did further discuss, and even prototyped it shortly after launch. The amount of work required to fully implement the feature (multiple entry animations and high fidelity cockpits for all of the MP titans) was out of scope for the resources we have available."
Alix1723 I think they wanted an all around polished experience. And basically it would have taken so much work to coordinate all of the possible ways you can enter the Titan without it being a quick jerk to where the animation begins. While I personally think it would have been neat, I'm happy they're aware of their limitations and went with a more fluid looking embark.
The cockpits are already higher fidelity than the Titanfall 1 ones are, though.
So the correct way to take this statement is that "We already made the game, we are adding it to Titanfall 3." The most important thing to take away from that reddit post is that the first Titanfall was so budgeted compared to Titanfall 2 that saying something like that is simply public relations bs.
Awww budget/time constraints? I don’t know if that’s worse than if it was a creative choice instead or not. Bummer
It was the saddest part for me in titanfall 2
I like the first person animations more because it gives you that sense that you aren't playing a game as a pilot, you ARE the pilot.
Anyone know what I mean?
Gory Glory exactly what I mean too
Gory Glory Couldn't agree more
Yeah! Who knew that extra touch of immersion mad such a big difference in the feel of the game
Gory Glory yea man it breaks the immersion
Gory Glory my thoughts exactly
I think Respawn should add the option to choose first person or third person perspective embark
Same for executions
I say they need to have an mode were you can just open your hatch
I was thinking the same thing
For sure
Yeah, that's exacly what I was thinking about
A lot of people agree with you on the embarkation animations, on the subreddit, the forums, everywhere really.
I also hope one day to be able to check a box that lets it stay in first person mode, at least just for those animations. The executions in third person are fine the way they are.
And it actually helps to have the executions be third person animations, since you are invulnerable to damage while they are playing, you can leverage that to allow you to dive in to groups of enemies going after doomed titans, and other players have the chance to surround you in the meantime. Compared to that, the third person embark animations only really allow phase embark to not look incredibly jarring to use, and to quickly let you see if someone is trying to rodeo your titan, since during embarking and disembarking animations your titan (and by extension you) are completely vulnerable (thus making it very inadvisable to embark your titan if you happen to not be piloting it, and it is being surrounded by other titans) unless protected by the dome shield, and if said dome shield is active, you are more or less impervious to all damage yourself while standing inside it, without even having to embark your titan, allowing you to take your time and have a look around the environment for possible threats. Though, from a technical perspective, the third person embark animations do allow them to spend less resources on rendering the cockpit and textures within them, without you really realizing it, since that way the game isn't quite literally rubbing your face against the textures, so that helps the game to look more visually impressive and in a sense more coherent on lower spec hardware, such as consoles.
xX_FastGamingBoy_Xx I was thinking the exact same thing. also executions....maybe...idk...
DarthSatoris I felt clostaphopic while having the first person animation
I think I'd hurl if the executions were in first person. It'd be goddamn sick, but I'd be too.
DarthSatoris You are a Scot. Hello comrade.
When you were the victim of an Atlas or Stryder execution in the first game... oh man was that scary for me the first time :D
Hell yes, those were absolutely brutal
SirMan McDude
Yeah, it was so scary, yet so cool, to be ripped out of your cockpit by a giant metal hand.
Imagine the first person view for the Northstar and Ronin executions, getting to watch as you get a gun/sword stabbed through you.
thats pussy shit iamgine getting cooked alive by scorch.
Man, first person view when you get executed by ion prime, your cockpit open and you get a laser core RIGHT IN YOUR FACE
They made the third person animations because of budget and time constraints.
While they probably wanted to make first person animations, they would have had to make two animations for every single embarking sequence. One for first person for you to see and another for third person for other players to see. Making the embarking animations third-person effectively halves the amount of animations they would have had to make for each titan, which makes sense since they made twice as many titans for titanfall 2 as for titanfall 1.
While I see where you're coming from, I don't really buy that excuse. First, they aren't even new Titans, they're the same chassis from the first game but with more stuff taped on them depending on which hero you choose. They could've just ported over the animations from the first game and it wouldn't change a thing.
Second, each chassis is made the same way, they're all bipedal humanoid mechs with a door on the front and the top, so they shouldn't have to go through any more stress making animations than they did in TF1. Every Titan type has the same animations but with different touches on certain ones.
Honestly i would be fine with the TF1 animations but 'Remastered' like the TF1 maps in TF2 because they don't really need to change them as there was some variety with entering the cockpit of the titan in TF1 and all they need to do is polish the textures but i do understand that they would need to texture the pilot and the interiors of each titan (cause that would take some time as well), but what do I know I'm not a game developer
Victor Reteike Rutgersson If they would've taken the time to do that maybe they wouldn't of shot themselves in the foot by releasing this amazing game between cod and bf.
TylerAndToast Gaming EA had control of the release date I believe, not them. EA put it there supposedly in hopes of stomping out their competition (COD)
TylerAndToast Gaming That was EA's fault, I feel they may have been trying to kill titanfall.
I think the sense of scale makes more sense in titanfall 2 since you can see the entire pilot entering. although I would much rather have 1st person animations. My explenation for the change is:
- as you said, to show of skins
- To make people less motion sick when entering (there are a lot of times where the head quickly turns 180 degrees or the head gets tilted)
- The phase shift embark would probably look a lot worse
I think there should be an option to choose between the 2, but I would much rather have 1st person animations
ikbenmaaten Phase shift embark might actually look really cool if done right, it's only problem is it might disorient some people pretty bad
Hyper, one of the lead animators for Titanfall 2, said on a stream that it would take too long and too much resources that could be put elsewhere to make executions first person, so I'd think it'd be the same with this.
That's executions, I love the executions stay at 3rd person.
We talk about embark however.
Lance Pearson They would look pretty poor in FP for the most part anyway
The embark animations are reused from 1. (and before you mention it I know I'm 3 yrs late)
So damn true, they literally could just copy paste the animation form tf1 to 2 and I would be happy. Or at least give up an option. in the menu or something.
But they would also need to retexture the pilots and interiors of the cockpits
SuperNovaGaming no they wouldn't. It's not like they would be porting the older Titan/Pilot models and textures into Titanfall 2.
you can port animations without the models and every titan is still one of the 3 chassis from the first game, they only made some cosmetic changes
I've also had the same issue with the execution animations too.
I mean, it's pretty handy and cool being able to see clearly what you're doing with your enemy, but when you're on the receiving end of an execution, it doesn't have the same sting or ramification as, experiencing a sneak attack you should've been more careful on.
But like the Titan embarkation, it's not a *big deal*.
4:04 "hire me" I CRACKED UP AT THAT PART!
I'm still waiting on that job offer
Respawn did say they would think about it after the tech test, maybe in next months update.
I do hope it does come cause i really need this :)
@@mateuszszczodrowski7117 yep...
oh boy, can’t wait to wait
@@bestolotch2534 sad boi hours
Tomorrow’s the day, I can feel it!
nobody's found all the secret messages yet
heh
....what?....😑
specifically in the brief Gmod segment near the end
Alix1723 you mean "me jayfrsh senpai"?
No it's "Please make the volt hitscan"
notice me jayfrsh senpai
imagine executions. may be janky, yes, but just image pounding someone's face in, or twisting a neck (like the first game). imagine jumping on a pilot, he looks up to you, and then sonar blade to the face. so much potential lol
I think it should be in first person.. The third person stuff just ruins the immersion for me. Like: "alright so you were running, killing people, now you got your Titan. AND NOW YOUR EYEBALLS MAGICALLY FLY INTO THE SKY! But only until you're in." It just doesn't make sense, if you're gonna have the embark animations in third person, then Titans should be played in third person entirely. It's so unnatural to me...
Living Meme "immersion" *Boi there's no real immersion in Tif2*
Laurence Davis 1. Doesn't matter what game we're playing 2. it's based on personal preference 3. the camera is fixed anyway, so you can't see anything.
Laurence Davis Listen, people who actually care about the game they're playing know that immersion matters no matter what the fuck you're playing. there's a famous quote by one of the DOOM developers. "First person is important in games because it makes you feel like you're in the game, where as third person is like playing with dolls, virtual dolls that is."
Arthas Menethil You play as a member of the Militia, aka space ISIS, I just wanted to play as the IMC cause they're trying to benefit humanity but nooooo Respawn wants us to be the bad guy in every scenario, I mean the default faction we use is a division of the Militia.
Living Meme there's actually something wrong with you man.
Actually the first person animation happens three times in the campaign, first in BT-7274 as you showed, secondly in The Ark, just before the Viper bossfight and finally in The Fold Weapon when you climb into your brand new Legion Titan.
Legion would be 100% more badass if in embarking you could run ontop of the predator cannon to the cockpit.
legion main here, yes please
No, brand new BT, or as in new vanguard titan putting BT’s datacore with the legion loadout
It's kinda cool that we're seeing first person animations back in the Northstar client
Excellent video ticking the only box query that I had with the game. I think the phrase you are looking for is "breaking the immersion" for the player
Just got recommended this video to me by the algorithm... 3 years too late.
I love how your entire end checklist is checked off at this point
IKR IT'S AMAZING
I love first person shooters and I really do appreciate first person view animations something about the immersion. the the guy that created the doom game back in the early 90s I think said it best I can't quote him but he said something like first person view is immersion and it puts you in the game and third-person view is something like playing with dolls digital dolls that is
Have it be selectable so you have your cake and can eat it too. I mean, make it toggleable whether you want 1st- or 3rd-person animations. That way, nobody gets pissed that it can't be changed, and both sides can choose and be happy
I felt the same way when the executions were made in 3rd person as well.
tbh TF|2 executions in fp would suck, and it would be janky af
Executions I can understand being 3rd, since they're flashy kills and mostly for bragging rights (or stealing titan kills reeeee) even though they looked pretty incredible in TF1, from both sides
Bruh even stuff like the first person snapping of an enemy pilot's neck was so awesome. I can remember my first one so vividly, on the lagoon map behind the wooden house and the guy I killed was an IMC sniper model. And the first person terminations was fucking amazing. Even getting terminated was fucking awesome, seeing a massive robot hand punch through your monitor and toss you across the pavement. The fact that tf1 was fully first person was so immersive and satisfying, and really made the game stick in my memory. Ahhhh I just can't express how awesome it was to see it for the first time, especially as someone who used to solely play halo and was used to perception changes for every other action.
I can agree with the comments and the intention of the 3rd person embark animation (the awareness thingy) - but I would GLADLY sacrifice that extra awareness for the immersion, and that feeling, that MIGHTY feeling you get when you climb into your friggin murder machine and start wrecking up other people's days.
Great video Alix. Finally, I was able to understand what was bothering me about the embark animations.
Thank you, I was hoping someone would mention this. First person animation is definitely better
Good point. I love Titanfall but didn’t notice the shift from first to third person embarking. First person is so much better since you’re the pilot the whole time and it doesn’t break that immersion
Yah 1st person makes you feel more badass as well
Finally someone who understands my pain. I also think that execution animations would also look absolutely amazing in first person.
This video was really good. Subbed.
I mean, I'd like to see that as an option. That, and left-handed first-person pilot viewmodels. Don't care if all the text and numbers and shit on the guns is backwards, I just want it to be on the left.
i think third person helps not the immersion, but the sense of scale and power. you actually _see_ the titan grab you like you're a little doll, and put you in the cockpit. you get to see how big they are compared to you, not just how big their hand and cockpit are. i think MP should do it like SP. it's third person so you get the real sense of scale and power, but you still see the inside of the cockpit for the immersion aspect. only wish they could go a step further and just make the inside of the cockpit display the titan model and environment on the other side, rather than giving an entirely new overlay and HUD. it would be cool to see the pilot HUD go away, and with no black screens just see the actual cockpit on the titan model physically display a screen, so if you were to go in theater mode and fly inside the cockpit, you'd see what the pilot sees. that would give it the most real sense of getting in a mech, not just "yay i got a new overlay and my playermodel is bigger"
I heard somewhere that having executions and embarkings in 3rd person for TF|2 might not have been what Respawn originally wanted, but was done to save development time. They already have to animate it in 3rd person for other players to see, creating a 1st-person version of the animation for the player doing it would've taken additional time and manpower they didn't really have for making the sequel.
I completely understand, and the third person animations threw me off as well. However, it's undeniable that the camera doing a swing can definitely help with map awareness. In that moment of embarking, you get a near 360 degree view of the battlefield. This lets you look for oncoming pilots, titans and all sorts of other things coming to tear your chassis a new one and plan around it.
For example, I'm a Northstar user. Turbo and Viper thrusters are all I use on her. When embarking once, I saw a doomed titan nearby preparing to try to kill me right away. Immediately after embarking I turn to them, boost over and execute them. Without the 360 camera turn, I'd have no idea that the titan was approaching. Though I would definitely activate first person embarks if it were an option, nothing beats the classics.
7 years later, and the community gave what you desired, TF2 Northstar clients has many mods and (some of) the most popular are first person embarks and executions. Some are a bit janky, but they do really capture that feeling of being a pilot.
Although I do agree with this, the 3rd person embark does actually help with situational awareness, not always with surrounding enemy pilots (due to their small size) but if there's an enemy Titan even somewhat nearby, that rotating camera tells you exactly where they are, and perhaps where they're going. This isn't always necessary (as when you play a Titan like Northstar, you'll be calling them in in the outskirts anyway) but if you're the kinda dude that loves to try to call in your Titan right on top of someone else's, that 3rd person rotation can potentially mean the outcome of the battle for you
All in all: yeah I would like an option to turn off and on the 3rd person embarking so you can turn it off when you don't plan on needing it
i kind of like the third person animations cause it does give you a better sense of awareness. but i do miss the first person executions when your head would just be snapped back and the last thing you saw was a pilot staring at your lifeless dead eyes as your spine was severed and you instantly blacked out from your brain losing complete control of everything
the "situational awareness" helps me all the time and has given me free kills from time to time and has also gotten me killed.
I would actually try to recreate titanfall 2's animation like embarking, executing as pilot and titan in sfm. It would be a pain in the ass but still fun to do
Very late take on this but i personally find that the 3d does improve the situational awareness a lot, may be my playstyle but i genuinely find the 3p to be a improvement for MP competitive players while 1p does more for immersion
Unless you have done Shield
Just found you on YT mate, ngl this vid was 🔥🔥 insta subbing, nice work dude :)
you forgot that the titanfall 1 animations are just slick and quick to make you feel like your an agile pilot
It's not a stupid opinion. I miss the 1st person animations.
I mean I'd like to actually see my pilot for once
One plus about the 3rd person animations is it allows them to do more ridiculous stuff in the executions and terminations, while not making the player dizzy from all the movement. I feel like after wanting to adjust those, the first person embarkment was probably the odd one out that Respawn decided to conform to the rest of the animations. I would love to be able to do them in either perspective but I doubt it will be something for this iteration of the Titanfall series.
I get the situational awarness it allows you see the enemy titans around you
maybe they decided that they don't need to make it more obvious that a titan is bigger than a pilot. I like the 3rd person entry cutscene- allows you to see a portion of your surroundings and decide your first action when getting in your titan. Half the time you call one in there is an enemy titan waiting for your dome shield to drop. In a 3rd person entry view you can see where they are, and even see if they're priming their first offense such as Ion waiting with laser shot or northstar with a charged railgun. The Immersion aspect is in the eye of the beholder.
showing it once in campaign should get the message across that you are now 8-10x your size and well armored and equipped for fighting small infantry. They don't need to emphasize on it time and time again, having it in 3rd person allowed for them to create sick entry animations, not just one where your titan grabs you and puts you inside.
I come back to this, every once in a while...
The "Situational Awareness" I get from the 3rd person camera is "Welp. I'm getting fucked up by 3 enemy titans and I cant do jack shit."
i would rather have an option per titan whether it be dlc or not that enables the old titanfall 1 animations, as it seems that at least the atlas termination _is_ in the second game
I'm quite fond of the first person animations too
I think this should have more traction, the option to change third or first person animations would be an amazing thing, but there are different animations for all the Titans so it'd be some work, I hope this idea goes to fruition but I can see why if not
Its to see the entire titan instead of just the cockpit. I agree the first person embark animations were good but its supposed to show more of the titan so you arent just stuck to seeing a single small part the titan
I thought that the 3rd person embark animations actually give you a better sense of scale. You get to see your entire pilot's body, as this massive machine grabs you with its hand, and your pilot is shoved into the cockpit.
RIGHT?! I never played the first one, may god forgive me, but the second one is amazing. I feel so mighty in my titan. These guys are just bitching.
Jake Green it does give a sense of scale what it fails at is imersion.
is it weird I have no complaints with the 3rd person animation? I don't prefer it but I don't really mind it being there, an option to switch between 1st and 3rd would be cool.
and I've played the first titanfall from launch to the second ones tech test
I actually do like the 3rd person view more, can't count how many times I've spotted an enemy pilot or Titan rushing towards me while embarking
One of the reasons I love campaign is for those first person animations
My God the detail in the titans are amazing Don t know why but I love the metal plates shifting and what not when the titans move
I agree that the first person embark animations looked cooler but I can't even tell you how many times I've been able to see enemy pilots waiting to rodeo me as I was embarking... That's what they mean by situational awareness!
That gmod example killed me
rip
3rd person helps you keep better tabs on what's going on around you as you embark
somebody needs to start a campaign called : bring back the old embark animations
I think that the third person to first person transition embark animations from TF2 campaign was the best.
Prefers an animation that leaves you with no idea what's going on in the backround, over one that does. There is plenty situational awareness in the third person. The background is not blurred to the point that you cant see the BRIGHT RED enemies in the background, you can see them perfectly fine. The camera rotates at a pace that allows you a quick 360 view of your surroundings while not being so fast that you cant see anything.
I preferred the first person when entering the Titans. Because as you were saying it gives you a sense of scale.
Also it really shows how much of a beast these Titans are.
the is r97 balanced.
other than that, great video m8.
now the g2 on the other hand. fucking nerf that shit.
by any chance are you a console player
Alix1723 Xbone, yes. g2 on xbox atleast is pure cancer. its partially why i (and most of my friends), dont play tf2 much anymore.
(edit)Once i recover from building my gaming PC, ill prob get tf2 on pc when its on sale next.
R-97 on PC is a nightmare. I heard Assault rifles on consoles are just as bad.
thats interesting, because on console i rarely see r97 users. But yes some ARs are op and need a nerf.
g2 is straight up game breaking op. flatline needs an accuracy nerf. the Hemlok was op, but they recently nerfed it bit and now its pretty balanced.
"""""balanced"""""
you wouldn't happen to use phase shift and arc grenades would you
FINALLY SOMEONE WHO SPEAKS SOME FINE WORDS and coulndttdtd agree more on the animations. BUT everyone else are like "what does the embarking animation matter?" Well glad you asked. what would it feel if you climbed inside 15meter tall giant mech and you were BLIND the duration of embarking. Would it feel like you are in 15meter mech? of course not you dont get to feel the WOAH IM REALLY TALL because you just like pop into place.
im totally agree, i loved seeing mi character entering the titan in first person, it was amazing.
The best way to see "first-person" executions is to rodeo the titan while it performs and execution.
hi dude nice Vid. I think third person animations are actually cool but yes a third person toggle for the view would be nice. now as I was saying third person situation awareness helps out I can recall the many situations when the third person embark animation has saved my ass.
Titanfall 2 also only have all the same cockpits. In titanfall 1 they were all different and you FELT like going in the titan and also another thing. There were SO MANY embark animations which i loved. From the side. Back. Top. Front. In titanfall 2. Its just front back or top. And the titan just grabs you if your on the side. In titanfall 1 it would be different on if your left or right of the titan. And in titanfall 2 when you embark it just black screens and then the cockpit appears. Its not like in titanfall 1 where it dosent just black screen in titanfall 1 when you enter the titans you see the hud light up. In titanfall 2 its basically gone the embark.
please make this a thing. I would love an option for embarking and disembarking in first person. Third person executions are fine, tho. They look great. It would look weird in first person, and be harrowing as hell being on the receiving end.
Should be an option in TF3 if they don't just stick to switching back to that. Sort of reawaken that sense of awe you got in the first Titanfall. Also phase embark in first person would look pretty epic.
never played titanfall, but FPS camera when embarking is dank as fuck
ree you should, TF2 is on free trial until the 18th (if you can suffer using Origin)
i'd suffer origin but sadly my laptop gpu is shit, geforce 630m (even worse than a fucking intel HD630)
They changed the animations presumably because people were getting motion sickness from the first-person animations.
I didn't play the first Titanfall. But while I have no issue with Titanfall 2's embark animation, I wouldn't mind the 1st person view embark animation either. It would be nice if Respawn can implement an option in the setting that lets you switch between the two views.
I personally think that theres a much better sense of scale in the third person cutscenes, because you can actually see how tall you are in comparison instead of “well it looks huge”
Good way of lookin’ at it.
I really wish one update they add that ability to get into your titan via first person (and maybe the executions/terminations because I'd kill to see through the eyes of what happening with the Northstar prime execution). I really like that and to me made it feel like there was an even deeper level of immersion put into the game.
totally agree ,whilst getting a titan in the first titanfall , I would always think "alright bitches , GET READY FEEL THE THUNDER!" but the second its like " yo lads got my titan , *yay*" I don't know if it's the animations but you could be on to somthing. and in titanfall2, It doesn't help to convey that "exhilarating titan feeing" when you're so vulnerable to enemy pilots FFS!
Ur opinion isnt stupid.
i 100% agree.
I like it more whenever the embarking is in first person.
Glad to know I'm not the only person that feels this way I missed the first person animations
I've been playing tf2 for 5 years and I totally agree
Remember when you could give a stryder titan a grenade launcher and a practical wall?, ah those were the days......
redrunningdemon- gameplay Uhhhh the triple threat was garbage
The analogy is best analogy
I am so glad I'm not the only person who felt like this
They'll fix this in an update, just like when they added secondary weapons
I hope so, one day the cherry will return to the cake
Alix1723 execution kills better stay the same though
Bruh moment
It’s not so much of an issue that there are 3rd person animations, the appeal that they have with some people is very understandable, but it’s more that they didn’t give an option to choose between a first person perspective and the third person one.
It’s the same thing with the executions and terminations (although I’m not miffed about that as much)
It's called first person shooter for a reason.
Bravo tango-7274 holds the gun with his left hand and so do I
that hire me quate is really funny
d'you think I should put my sick gmod dupes on my CV?
Alix1723 lol of course you should you never know ! great video BTW
Lmao the "respawn nerf the r-97" got me, it's like saying "how did you get so good at titanfall?" Well my response would be "I played a lot of asphalt 8"
I think in Titanfall 3 (If it ever comes out) should have an option in the menus to have the embarks in 1st or 3rd Person.
I'd like to imagine the executions in first person are either really cool or really disorienting. The curb check would look ok, but inner pieces and shadow boxing would have nothing interesting to show you.
Titanfall 2 was meant to be much more of a spectacle than a gritty scifi shooter. The animations are in 3rd person because it shows your character being a badass and pulling off cool stunts in wacky camera angles
This becomes especially prevalent when you view the 1st person mods people apply to this game. Most of them look like shit, nothing against the mod creators it’s just that these animations weren’t meant to be viewed in first person. They weren’t meant to be immersive
I did not mean to go off like this but I love these games and can’t wait for a 3rd one
The situational is for ordering pilots taking your battery
When the game released, I thought I was the only one who was actually really fucking mad that they changed this.
Awesome video, I completely agree with you. Titanfall 1 and 2 are fantastic games but man, no first person Titan embarks in T2 has really bothered me since launch. Jumping into a Titan in first person made it feel so real (I would even shift around in my chair sometimes as if I personally was getting situated in the Titan). The third person animation really takes me out of the game. The sense of scale is also off for me as the titans do seem smaller (even though you see your pilot for comparison). Like you said, these are all just personal opinions. But damn, it's crazy how this one thing really bothers me even though I'm a huge fan of the game/series.
Respawn has always been good about listening to the community and their last three updates to the game really show it (carry 3 weapons again, frontier defense, RISE!!). If it's possible, adding the option for 1st person embarks in T2 would be incredible. If not, I really hope they bring it back in the next game.
I think they changed it because people were getting motion sickness from being shoved in a titan, yeah I like the old animations but I don’t want to throw up every time I get into my titan. (Just my little opinion)
I think respawn should add a feature where yo have an option to either have first or third person embark animations