@CosmicUndeadElf Somehow burning the ashes allowed Jacob to appear so that everyone could see him, not just Hurley. He did that so he could tell the rest of the candidates why they were brought to the island and that one of them needed to "choose" to be the new protector.
@thefallennikaya Yeah it would explain why other people have been able to see him besides Hurley, so maybe when Jacob was killed and the smoke monster became stuck as John Locke, it took back the ability to transform into dead people and that's what we're seeing here.
In "Across the Sea" Jacob and his mother come across as the antagonists rather than the good guys. There really is no reason why Jacob's brother can't be allowed to leave. He hasn't really done anything completely evil and most of the violence he commits is retaliatory in nature and completely understandable, like when he kills "mother" for slaughtering his village.
@@perrybb2 I think Jacob/the Monster's mother wasn't "evil" insofar as she was pathologically determined to protect the island, and specifically wanted the Monster/MIB as her replacement. There was likely an island protector before her that had indoctrinated her into the MO of not letting people leave the island and ruthlessly minimizing the amount of people who discover the island and its secrets. There are apparently global consequences if the source of the island's magic are tampered with. However, her actions in Across the Sea obviously both deeply corrupt the Monster/MIB and created a scenario where there was no way he could ever leave the island without doing some really dark stuff. It may not be good vs evil so much as circumstances pitting people against each other, because if Jacob made you a candidate, you'd have no choice but to be against the Man in Black
I feel like if you were a die hard fan that explored beyond the hour of tv time, the writers gave us enough to solve things on our own. It was part of the experience all along. They never feed us answers. I felt they did give deliberate answers coz so many bitched. But the show was about us experiencing it, and left open for interpretation. I feel anyway.
He burned his ashes, so he can go visible for the candidates and give his powers to Jack. Here u go, you just needed 10 years for me see your question. Ps: In his child form he had mobility, like running faster etc, that's the reason.
Well i dont know, i thought that after he drunk this magic water he couldn't die, because he became something like a spirit or whatever,, like his fake mother who thanked MIB when he killed her,, idk :/ i still want to know when jacob and mib were borned before or after the egyptians ?
@CosmicUndeadElf No explanation is given for why Jacob has to burn his own ashes. It's just another one of the weird workings of the island. As for the child version of himself. I think it was a nod to 2010 when Dave Bowman appeared as an older and younger version of himself. I guess it was meant to signify that Jacob was dead and therefore was old and young at the same time.....
@quietearthMT That's what I thought, but then he says after its burnt Hurley will never see him again, I am so lost! I feel like finding Damon and Calrton's emails and asking them what the story is with things like this and the disappearing cabin.
Don't try to make it make sense. They were just throwing stuff at the audience for 5 years to keep the audience hooked. They did a good job of that, but once they had to tie it all up, it was impossible to do in a coherent way.
I bet the kid we see here is not really Jacob but the spirit of the island manifesting itself as a dead person, like the smoke monster used to be able to. That's why it is able to physically carry and object. Doesn't make sense that the real Jacob would appear in his child form instead of the one Hurley knows him by then suddenly change back.
This is funny I like this big guy and his reaction to the young kid and the kid on here saids give me the ashes I mean that was not the funny part but the first part when this guy said ah like that was so funny love it
This always niggled me. Jacob died after Ben stabbed him so who was protecting The Source between then and Jack taking over? Furthermore, if Jacob was dead then how could he pass it on to Jack? Why is his soul sufficient and corporeal until his ashes burn away? Ok perhaps it is a Hindu concept but nevertheless, it seemed lazy to me.
I prefer to think of this as kind of like a phone plugged to a wall. When Jacob died, the "cord" was pulled out so to speak and he only had a limited amount of time before the "battery" ran out and his spirit moved on to pass the Protectorship on to Jack. I assume that if the fire had burned out, he'd simply have hung around the Island as an immaterial ghost(part of the Whispers, like Michael), unable to move on because of his guilt. And the Source would have been a free-for-all.
The way I see it, as the candidates are all potential Protectors, thats the reason why MIB cannot kill them, as they are essentially all equivalent to Jacob. Once all the candidates are dead, there is no one left in line and MIB is free to leave
![LOST: Jack becomes the new protector of the island [6x16-What They Died For]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/viD7kDMF2lQ/mqdefault.jpg)
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"what do you want them for?"
I don't know why but that line just cracks me up.
@CosmicUndeadElf
Somehow burning the ashes allowed Jacob to appear so that everyone could see him, not just Hurley. He did that so he could tell the rest of the candidates why they were brought to the island and that one of them needed to "choose" to be the new protector.
Hurley’s face when he was running
@thefallennikaya Yeah it would explain why other people have been able to see him besides Hurley, so maybe when Jacob was killed and the smoke monster became stuck as John Locke, it took back the ability to transform into dead people and that's what we're seeing here.
Love This Show
Somebody else wrote about how maybe Jacob is really the Devil keeping the light from reaching humanity.
In "Across the Sea" Jacob and his mother come across as the antagonists rather than the good guys. There really is no reason why Jacob's brother can't be allowed to leave. He hasn't really done anything completely evil and most of the violence he commits is retaliatory in nature and completely understandable, like when he kills "mother" for slaughtering his village.
Would have been a much better ending than the mess they actually put on TV.
@@perrybb2 I think Jacob/the Monster's mother wasn't "evil" insofar as she was pathologically determined to protect the island, and specifically wanted the Monster/MIB as her replacement. There was likely an island protector before her that had indoctrinated her into the MO of not letting people leave the island and ruthlessly minimizing the amount of people who discover the island and its secrets. There are apparently global consequences if the source of the island's magic are tampered with. However, her actions in Across the Sea obviously both deeply corrupt the Monster/MIB and created a scenario where there was no way he could ever leave the island without doing some really dark stuff. It may not be good vs evil so much as circumstances pitting people against each other, because if Jacob made you a candidate, you'd have no choice but to be against the Man in Black
Do you all notice how polite, kind, caring, innocent and friendly Jacob really is?? Is he really evil?? Or was he the good guys?
Well he was HUman after all
Judging by appearances...
I'm confused... why did Jacob burn his own ashes? Better yet, why did he turn into his child in the first place?
one of the many questions the show unforutnately didn't answer, it would have other wise been a perfect show but still really really good
@@wolverineiscool7161 Not all questions need to be answered
I feel like if you were a die hard fan that explored beyond the hour of tv time, the writers gave us enough to solve things on our own. It was part of the experience all along. They never feed us answers. I felt they did give deliberate answers coz so many bitched. But the show was about us experiencing it, and left open for interpretation. I feel anyway.
He burned his ashes, so he can go visible for the candidates and give his powers to Jack. Here u go, you just needed 10 years for me see your question.
Ps: In his child form he had mobility, like running faster etc, that's the reason.
Because it's a science fiction show , plus lost in season 6 went more metaphysical than the previous seasons
This is Hindu concept .......Once ashes are cremate your soul goes away ...
Oh interesting
Also not so brilliant to tie the change of state of a physical matter to the concept of the soul which is non-physical.
Why did Hurley think to take those ashes? What would he need them for?
Just a little souvenir
Well i dont know, i thought that after he drunk this magic water he couldn't die, because he became something like a spirit or whatever,, like his fake mother who
thanked MIB when he killed her,, idk :/ i still want to know when jacob and mib were borned before or after the egyptians ?
ElenaSk8erGirl - The Lost wiki says they were born during classical Roman times. So after the Egyptians
had to be after, Egyptians came first
But he _did_ see him again, didnt he
Young Jacob reminds me of Link from Zelda
@CosmicUndeadElf
No explanation is given for why Jacob has to burn his own ashes. It's just another one of the weird workings of the island.
As for the child version of himself. I think it was a nod to 2010 when Dave Bowman appeared as an older and younger version of himself. I guess it was meant to signify that Jacob was dead and therefore was old and young at the same time.....
So Jacob like Michael couldn't "move on" after his death.
ı never get it how jacob transform into his young form and why steal his own ashes from hurley?
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Young MIB was cuter.
@quietearthMT That's what I thought, but then he says after its burnt Hurley will never see him again, I am so lost! I feel like finding Damon and Calrton's emails and asking them what the story is with things like this and the disappearing cabin.
CosmicUndeadElf that's why its called lost. Because everyone is lost with this show lol...
Don't try to make it make sense. They were just throwing stuff at the audience for 5 years to keep the audience hooked. They did a good job of that, but once they had to tie it all up, it was impossible to do in a coherent way.
I bet the kid we see here is not really Jacob but the spirit of the island manifesting itself as a dead person, like the smoke monster used to be able to. That's why it is able to physically carry and object. Doesn't make sense that the real Jacob would appear in his child form instead of the one Hurley knows him by then suddenly change back.
But Jacob was never really killed by Ben because he was already dead,, he was a spiritual leader :D
no, he actually was physically dead when ben killed him
This is funny I like this big guy and his reaction to the young kid and the kid on here saids give me the ashes I mean that was not the funny part but the first part when this guy said ah like that was so funny love it
This always niggled me. Jacob died after Ben stabbed him so who was protecting The Source between then and Jack taking over? Furthermore, if Jacob was dead then how could he pass it on to Jack? Why is his soul sufficient and corporeal until his ashes burn away? Ok perhaps it is a Hindu concept but nevertheless, it seemed lazy to me.
I prefer to think of this as kind of like a phone plugged to a wall. When Jacob died, the "cord" was pulled out so to speak and he only had a limited amount of time before the "battery" ran out and his spirit moved on to pass the Protectorship on to Jack.
I assume that if the fire had burned out, he'd simply have hung around the Island as an immaterial ghost(part of the Whispers, like Michael), unable to move on because of his guilt. And the Source would have been a free-for-all.
The way I see it, as the candidates are all potential Protectors, thats the reason why MIB cannot kill them, as they are essentially all equivalent to Jacob. Once all the candidates are dead, there is no one left in line and MIB is free to leave
Not lazy to me
Because this show doesn't make sense and is a total mess.
Young Jacob kind of sucks at acting.
Now what exactly did he do wrong for you to say something like that?