Proxy Wargaming Models Killing The Hobby?
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- Опубликовано: 14 ноя 2021
- Proxy Wargaming models Are they killing the hobby? i dont think so i think it drives this hobby forward be able to create what you want when you want how you want and play any game with any model makes this hobby far more accessible
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Honestly I don't like calling it proxying when the model looks like what it's supposed to be. A skeleton with a sword *is* a skeleton with a sword no matter where the model's from.
Precisely! Back in the day, I would use quite a lot of ratmen from Heartbreaker Miniatures with my Skaven. The figures were not proxies as they were exactly what they depicted but were alternates to the GW ones.
Agree.
To me, a 'proxy' is ising a different item as a bespoke substitute.
Examples would be fieldingg cheapshop toy soldiers as 'cadian guardsmen, or, at worst, slapping down a soap container and calling it a battletank.
I can hold to that, as long as you can get the model to resemble and represent the intended model, scale, equipment and whatnot. In into that.
This was what I was gonna say too, its not proxy, its alternatives
@@ElvesofZion Alternatives make the wargaming world go round
Since "The Hobby" is not all about a single company in some far off place - like, say Nottingham as a random example - more gamers being able to easily acquire minis and rules is a decided positive for Miniatures Wargaming as a whole. Also, that model turned out brilliantly. Cheers!
Well said.
Couldn't say it better myself
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Well said
Yeah, "the hobby" is far beyond a single monopoly, that thankfully we don't have.
If anything, companies that don't support non-their-part conversions are hurting the hobby (but not their business).
Absofriggenlutely!!
I literally printed an entire army of those exact models. They are gorgeous, and honestly, the only way to get a good tomb kings army for oldhammer
Lost kingdom has some spectacular models for TK as well if you need some variety.
I don't think it will or want to kill off the hobby, I just hope it gives certain games companies a kick in the nuts - so that they rethink their policies and approach to their customers.
I agree totally. but they’ll never change until it’s too late for them. They only thing they’ve got is the fictional game universe that captures the imagination like no other. I’m talking about 40k of course. I have no idea what’s going on in Fantasy smorgasbord of Sigmsr.
@@nickharling3902 well, they may think they are doing the right way, as it has been like that for 40 years.
@@FrozenThrog How? more and more companies are doing STLs now. More board games are also doing this, many also have their own rules as well if you want to. If people say "we like this" it will get peoples attention.
@@FrozenThrog More people are and OPR is one of them. People also like GW ruleset as well and use the models they want. I just picked up aload of third edition codex and core rules over the last several weeks myself as well as using OPR own rules.
@@nickharling3902 then the little guys will be gone as gw as its fingers in a lot of pies and have shares in a lot of modle production companies
You are actually supporting the hobby of miniatures by using a 3D printer.
It's a struggle for start ups to ship and also create packaging for stuff, so being able to directly get the models and rules from your own home will make it easier for newer games to start.
Just look at all the small game Patrons that have popped up in the past few years.
Yeah, I always thought this was a weird debate. It's like, you're DOING the hobby. "Wargaming" is harmed if you only consider GW related products to be wargaming. If anything, their enormity and ubiquitousness is more harmful to the overall hobby than anything else.
@@therabidfanboy absolutely
Exactly 👌
This is actually encouraged with Battletech. So long as you tell the other player what it mech represents and you can determine the front of the model then you can use more or less what you want.
There are cardboard punch outs, plastic models, 3d prints, or even old metal ones. All are equally valid and I know some people who even just used a base with a letter to represent a mech.
For many the "hobby" doesn't expand beyond GW games and miniatures, so when GW decides they don't want to support proxies and other third party models, suddenly it endangers the hobby.
I'd argue in that case the hobbyists themselves must be more open minded and willing to expand away from the "safety" of GW (and they certainly aren't safe, proxy or not)
Exactly. GW has created this insular gaming ecosystem. Where the gaming public can (and are encouraged to) buy only their games, their models, their paints, their brushes, their terrain, their gaming accessories, their novels, their video games, and now their streaming service. A wargamer need never venture out of the ecosystem that exclusively feeds one company.
It's borderline monopolistic, really, and it's not healthy for the wargaming scene as a whole.
@@Bluecho4 they did a really good job of limiting the wargaming scene of old for a few decades and it was infuriating. Let us revel on their (very expensive) graves
Just want to note that GW is perfectly within their rights to disallow proxies and third party models at all of their official events.... which right now is basically anything at Warhammer World, and the few tournaments they're doing here in the US. Unless you're at either of those locations, there's absolutely nothing whatsoever stopping you from using whatever proxies or third party models that you feel like.
@@MichaelAlthauser just because they can doesn't mean it will sit right with players. And you say that and yet here we are discussing whether or not something that hugely increases accessibility and affordability of the hobby because GW doesn't like it.
I bought ONE warhammer product more than a decade ago: a squad of tau fire warriors. I saw what it would take to build a playable army for a game that I was luke (pun!) warm on and I never bought another model.
I now have three 3d printers, I'm subscribed to about half a dozen mini Patreons (including OPR, who is fantastic) and I am having a blast. I don't even play that much - I just enjoy painting and collecting.
Signed
~ Someone who would have never gotten into the hobby if it weren't for 3d printers.
Sup dude!
Pretty much the same for me, except I started at the beginning of covid and have barely used any of my models in person :(
"Is making the games we love infinitely more accessible than the ever have been killing the hobby?"
"No."
Credits roll. There's the video.
But for real, great video my dude.
The best part is It's only going to get better . We have better resins , killer pricing and masses of very talented artist's are just coming onboard . 3D printers are getting cheaper and better, sofware is coming that even total noobs can pump out entire armies is a few days. The only thing it's killing is profit from GW, in the long run it will chip away at GW magins. With the pricing they have implemented , tons of my friends have stopped purchasing their products. I would say GW is at the upper pricing limit and in very real danger of driving away half of their customer base.
Been proxying for years 🤣 to be honest I find it a bit mental when someone says "you cannot use this skeleton with scale x to represent a skeleton in exactly the same scale because different manufacturer", or " You cannot use awesome mini x because it doesn't look exactly like the other thing". Well, sorry I interrupted your suspension of disbelief mate. Then again I find the attitude to proxying is a good indicator for people I probably won't have fun playing with and who won't have fun playing with me.
I believe a lot of people dont understand the meaning of proxying why would i proxy soemthing to loook 100000% the same as the "original" not only that but if every from the visual identification and dimensions are the same why do you bother if it "original" or not. A lot of people care way too much from where and how it looks rather than having fun+appreciating other peoples creativity.
It's all about having fun . Too many people have their head's up their backsides.Proxy's or not what does it matter as long as your having fun.
If their immersion is ruined by the rat man having the wrong number of fingers or something but can survive the fact that a rifle can't shoot to the end of the street, or that someone can run from one piece of cover to another without the other side being able to shoot at them in between, then they are really focusing on the wrong things in my book!
@@lukehawksbee my thoughts exactly 😁
Heya Luke! Great video once again, proxying with 3D printed models or 3rd party models has been a go-to thing for our game nights at the club.
As you said in the video it gives a whole heap of creativity, for example I'm currently working on a whole Cities of Sigmar range using the Duchies of Vinci from One Page Rules.
This is something I'd never consider doing before but I've found their models to be stunning, and not super filled with overdetailed models as some ranges has been for the last few years.
Keep up the good work!
Coming from a Dungeons & Dragons perspective, something I love about companies like One Page Rules is there's a huge range of monsters and models that it's become part of my game preparation process to browse these models for Adventure and narrative ideas. It's fantastic to find something that spurs on ideas, creates a fun session and have the perfect models ready to go reletively easy.
OPR was actually a big reason for why I got into 3D printing, I absolutely fell in love with their duchies of vinci range, and have printed a kings of war kingdoms of men army using the DoV range, even upscaling an automata guard model to use as a giant. What I really like about 3D printing models for wargaming is how much time it saves assembly wise, I don't hate building models but it can get monotonous putting the same kit together multiple times, and being able to print off complete models means I can get to painting straight away. I have also printed off a couple proxy models for my warhammer army (a lust god for a KoS proxy and some plague toads both from the dark gods) I think it's definitely good for more expensive models that you would get if not for the price. Honestly my desire for proxying depends on how much I actually like the real models, and also what material the model is in. For instance the next model I'm printing a proxy for is kaldor draigo for my grey knights, since whilst I like his model, he is finecast and I'd rather print a close proxy than deal with that material or pay through the nose on ebay for a metal version.
I agree. My gaming group has always been good with proxying because it's a shame to spend a bunch of money of minis that you might not like!
I recently got some Stargrave miniatures to expand on my Rogue Trader era figures for Kill Team. Ended up buying the Stargrave rules too and eying up stuff from many other places. Will ultimately be spending far more than if I'd simply just got a bo of Cadians.
@@nigelmaddaford8613 indeed! That is so cool narratively! You can add a lot of character to an army like that. I proxy Astra Militarum with my Necromunda gang's as penal troops!
That is a gorgeous army! I'm going to have to go check out one page rules, they seem to do a lot of great sculpts.
They really do. They focus on a couple of factions for each game until the army's basically completed, and each month, as Luke says, for less than a tenner you get loads of models included, plus a big discount to buy any you've missed from MyMiniFactory. And on top of that, you also get _bonus_ models for when the creator does cross-promotional deals with other companies.
Plus their rules are good, too; simple enough to learn, and doesn't take ages to play a game, but there's still plenty of tactical nuance to keep it interesting.
And because all the main games are based on the same core rules, if you learn how to play Grimdark Future, you already know how to play Age of Fantasy, and the skirmish games just add in some extra rules for added granularity. You can't go far wrong, really. 🙂
I reckon proxies, conversions and scratchbuilds are the lifeblood of the hobby at grass roots level.
Part of the appeal in putting moels on tabletop is the near endless opportunity for expressive creativity.
Sticking to a single company's figure range and deeming all deviations as non-canonical heresy does the exact opposite.
It limits and stifles creativity ( and enjoyment thereof), which is kinda ironic in fantasy/scifi settings where the opportunity for imagination should be boundless.
Why would a game company invest capital to create and maintain a game where a good percentage of the player-base is printing full armies and purchasing nothing? Individuals who proxy entire armies contribute almost nothing to the hobby and instead piggyback off people who are actually financially supporting the game they love to play.
Mike,
If your perception of 'the hobby' and it's health is restricted to the fortunes of a single rules/figure manufacturing company then you & I are operating under completely different parameters.
To use a food analogy, McDonalds are within their rights to refuse to allow other food in their restaurants, but what food people choose to put on their own dining table is their own affair, and I reckon there is certainly tastier fare on offer than 'maccas', at a fraction of the cost.
My participation in tabletop gaming financially supports a number of manufacturers and suppliers, it just so happens that GW is not one of them.
Viva la differance!
@@mike8595 Exactly. There's a balance here. While kitbashing has always been the lifeblood of the hobby, we have to remember that if we all boycott GW and kill the company, they don't make models that people can create off of. GW is doing a lot of things wrong right now, including leaving money on the table by not selling people the things they want to buy. But they are also propping up a non-existent industry that is, outside of big companies like GW and Hasbro, made up of one or two people running a small business out of their house. Buy what you can, 3d print what you can't. Support the people making what you like (whoever they are) so they will continue making what you like.
@@ScooterinAB mostly agree.
I myself got jaded enough with GW's predatory business practices (eg deliberately designed rule/codex obsolescence on 3-4 yr cycles) that I long since chose to step off their eternal sacrifice demanding treadmill.
I buy from a variety of different figure & model manufacturers, and purchase rulesets that provide a reasonable tactical experience from less blatantly exploitive companies.
I also tend to avoid buying rulesets that tie their rules exclusively to an in-house figure range.
My old force of 'orc-things in ramshackle vehicles' might be 'non-canonical' & obsolete by GW codex standards, but they have no problem fitting in with less snobbish rulesets.
Monopoly without competition generally drives up price at cost to quality and variety.
Great video! Would love to see you do a full tutorial video on how to print an army from start to finish. I recent picked up a Saturn and looking to forward to get into this hobby
@@GeekGamingScenics I will and keep up the awesome work!
My favourite time was the late 90s early 2000s when stuff like necromunda/inquisitor came out and warhammer/40k had loads of models missing from their ranges so people who wanted to play a certain model had to convert stuff. Now there is a stigma around using proxy models and gw really hates people using proxy/converted models. There's just a lack of imagination in the hobby today compared to back then.
I find GW's new (ish) stance of 'if it's not in the box, you can't have it' really off-putting. In fairness I've not played since 4th, but I have read some of the codices and your wargear options are incredibly limited. You may have option A or option B, but even questioning option C is heresy that will have you sent to the plastic mines of outer Urdesh. In earlier versions it was 'here's the wargear list, you do you. Want a power sword, combi-weapon, frag and krak grenades, melta bombs and a crux terminatus on your 1 wound force commander? Go for it'.
Omg that Anubis thing looks SO AWESOME! Also I don't understand how this would kill the hobby, more brands and sculpts is better tbh. While I haven't started wargaming (yet, I want to) I customize dolls and environments for them, and let me tell you I don't stick to one brand. Even my Pullip doll collection includes some "fake" Pullip dolls (2 Shibajuku dolls, one bootleg that has a way bigger body, and I have a Tangkou doll in the mail) because all Pullip dolls have the same exact face sculpt (not counting the other related doll lines Isul, Taeyang, Byul, Dal and Yeolume, but all those dolls also have just one mold. I also have an Isul doll and he's very cool looking)
Thanks for making my bad day better ^^. Great video! I am so close to getting a Creality Halot one! I have watched your video when you compare some printers and I kinda like the Halot one printer.
Mate, that print looked CRISP!
I buy and paint to display, but I don't think I'd have a problem proxying for gaming at all. Zealot Miniatures did some amazing Minotaurs, and Lost Kingdom Miniatures have some awesome Lizardmen (GW's Beasts of Chaos and Seraphon haven't been given much attention at all over the years) so I could see me using proxies from these other companies easily.
I'm just concerned that my FLGS is moving more and more towards card games as our wargaming communities mindset has changed and they have slowed supporting the store they play in.
I try to support my FLGS since I have the income to, but yeah. This hobby is eventually going to move towards 3D printing, it's just a matter of how many small businesses GW brings down in their stubbornness.
This has become common in my experience of regularly attending and keeping up with 6 wargames stores. All of them are struggling to draw in gamers (though not because or replaced by card games. They just don't want to game)
For me it seems like for every person that starts 3d printing there are 2 more people that start wargaming without 3d printing. And the people who print often also buy physical models.
The two stores that I support get my money for paints and such. I don't even play at either of them (although I might if there was a game that caught my interest). If a store only sells one product then it is certainly limited by the whims of the community.
Seems many FLGS are drifting toward card games. It takes up less space and even though it's cheaper, people spend more hoping to get certain cards. It's another form of gambling. Where as a box of models has a clear picture of what you're getting. I can't even recall mine doing any TTG events since I've gotten into the hobby, but there are card based events weekly. Sometimes multiple times in a week.
Great video and some interesting points raised. I for one agree with you that having the means to print your own minis and proxy units only benefits the rules (on the provision both players agree). I have found it interesting with some companies that they sell the models and rules for them, then stop creating the models but still print the rules for them; in some instances never have a model in the first place (Warhammer 8th edition Tomb Kings Heirotitan comes to mind). A very good friend of mine and I were discussing the subject of 3D printing affecting those companies and the main conclusion we came to was corporate greed in upping the prices of models will drive more to find cost effective soltutions.
I think you stated that quiet elequently in that a deacent 3D printer costs not much more than a single large GW model, so stretching out that little bit further for some is a fruitful choice. I have been looking into 3D printers and currently the issue I have is a good space to setup a 3D printer and also the curing of the material in a safe manner. It may not be for everyone, but having the means to print out your own army at a fraction of the price of buying a full army from a company is an interesting prospect and again as you say a great time for the hobby :-)
Great video love doing the same army myself right now. Do you have links to the obelisks you used on the bases I really love your bases for the main army and want to attempt something similar myself
I like these types of videos where you discuss a topic and we can watch you paint. I 3D print the majority of my models as I teach CAD and have had access to 3D printers for the past 15 years. I stopped supporting Warhammer years ago as they have always been overpriced due to their monopoly on the industry. I now purchase models from designers through Patreon and play games like Frostgrave, and other mini agnostic games, et al. I recently just heard about One Page Rules and was unaware that they also produced STL models, so I will definitely be checking that out! Thanks for the great videos!
Warhammer got me excited about Wargaming, but One Page Rules and their amazing model line has really got me deeper into the hobby. I'm hoping to get a 3D printer soon JUST to print their awesome Tomb Kings and Lizardmen lines.
Not to mention, One Page Rules is so elegant and simple! It almost feels pickup and play.
It's a couple years I focused more and more on miniature-agnostic rules. Sludge War, Horizon Wars, Gamma Wolves, a number of Ganesha Games rules, a few 15mm rules, Frostgrave, a boatload of Osprey titles... and OPR for let's say easier fun. I also keep my interest on some "proprietary" games such as Warcry, but the overall feeling is quite opposite to "killing the hobby".
Crom be mercuful when I finally get a 3D printer.
Got into middle earth sbg recently, even got 4 friends to join in, we bought the minis from GW, some of us _a lot_ of them. I discovered all those beautiful patreon based sculptors after we already bought loads of stuff. Now we’re stuck with so many samey models. If the company encourages a wargame to be used with large armies, they should offer variety imo. Did you know that Rohan, the faction of horse riders, has 2 different horse sculpts for everything but their named characters.
If you exclusively use GW minis, your riders, scouts, minor heroes and special rules guys like banners, musicians, etc. all sit on one of 2 different horses. That’s negligence -.-
I‘m all for more creative and individual models. That’s what I bought my resin printer for =)
Great video man, for me the idea of proxying or converting has always been about pushing the boundaries of your imagination. To make the coolest minis possible. To have something unique. I think the whole 3d printing thing has really opened up the doors of the monopoly the GW had over everything and as with any tech or advancements in business - it is those who adapt and embrace the changes that do well. Thanks for sharing.
Firstly, thank you for making this video! I appreciate this may be a very broad question but any advice would be greatly appreciated. I am looking to print my own armies but I am struggling to decide which wargaming rule set to use. When I was younger I played W40k but it has been a long time. I was wondering what your suggestions might be for rulesets and any advice you might have for things I could look in to. Thank you for your time.
Excellent video, I wanted to ask you the moment you dip the printed thumbnail into what appears to be hot water and the mounts come out so smooth and unmarked. Would you mind telling me what you're using to tear them apart?
Personally, as long as you're not recasting/copying someone else's minis, or using them at an official tournament, game on!
Thanks for the video. Where did you get the sphinx model? Is there a version with wings? Would be keen to order it printed after seeing your video :)
I had been out of building and painting models for a decade due to the combination of cost and then the 2009 implosion of local game stores here in St Louis.
OPR, 5PFH and SS0 and their solo play rules along with their total agnosticism around models brought me back in and an Elegoo Mars 2 Mono makes this fun.
Love the videos Luke.
I agree, what "works" is that whatever gets people playing together. That's what matters.
I would love to get a printer. What is the learning curve like? I have tons of questions.
Thank you for the content Luke. Cheers.
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Watching you insert the USB right, but then wrong, but then right again was the best part of this video lol. I do that literally every time I try to stick the thing in my printer.
great video mate. one page rules sounds like a great way to enjoy a wargame with as little faff as possible. I actually miss the days of AoS being 4 pages long. Those minis are cracking too. Proxying is the lifeblood of the hobby. scratch builds, conversions, alternative minis, they all add interest to the table and that can only be a good thing. I get why companies want only their product used in their shops and tournaments, it's basically advertising. But my motto is as long as it's not blatant IP theft or a shoe instead of a canon, then you can put whatever you like on the table and i'd play. Big Loves!
The mix and matching of brands is what drew me the 3d printing in the first place
I'm currently creating a crab themed army with a custom one page rules army list and basicly every piece is from a different my mini factory page
When it's finished it's gonna feel so much more personal and unique as an army
i have a "zerg" themed army of tyranids doing the same
can you recommend a budget 3D printer to use? You mentioned that you could pick one up for 150$ or so. The one you use is 1500$. what is the difference? Can I get the same quality model with the cheaper printer?
great video btw, ty
Excellent vidio, been using proxy models for years, whether it's been using historical figs in fantasy or a child's toy dragon from a toy shop or just another companies cheaper model cos I can't afford GW's overpriced one.
I know nothing about 3D printing but what I've just watched has me interested.
Coming back to the hobby after a decade break playing heroquest with my seven year old - we did the base game + two expansions and I wanted something different for home brew. Never owned or painted skaven but liked them from back in the day. Not much is really available or what was did not look very nice. I opted to buy some printed miniatures off etsy but will in future be purchasing a printer as the minis are great.
the work that OPR has done on their models has made me a very proud supporter of their patreon, as well as Dragon Trapper's Lodge, because of them... I've actually gone out and gotten my own 3D printer, still gotta get the wash and cure machine because everything feels too expensive nowadays... but that's life.
I dig the idea of proxying whole armies. My focus has been an miniatures agnostic game called Full Thrust. Ive printed my fleets of starships and can get anyone interested in the game with just a few sessions. it helps being able to provide players their favorite starships and pitch them into battle. I love the onepagerules progenitor fleet
wow - I remember playing that years ago...I had completely forgotten it existed...im going to have to find a copy of the rules and my 3D printer go BRRRRRR
@@kevinmoore9196 3D printer go brrrrrr
Really happy to hear your eyesight is working well! Great news!
I use Proxy models all the time. I play Zona Alfa set in radioactive Chernobyl and its just a rule system with no range of minis, I use models from many companies for this.
I have bought a few Start Collecting AoS kits purely for some really cool DnD minis. Beastmen (replaced Orcs and Goblins as wild raider types), Servants of Chaos for higher level cult armies, The new undead box for, well, undead.
100% agree, having unique models to stand out is brilliant. Great video bud
3d Printing has really opened up a new world for me. I printed an entire 40k army, then my friend said "Hey can you print this for DND". Now a week later I have ever charcter model, and mosters we fight and use in the campaign. It is great. It even helped me get inspired for paining. I couldn't find motivation to paint my 40k army, I printed a random model I wanted to paint. I did it and it gave me the motivation to finish my 40k army. I'm now on my last unit of Inceptors and the terminator Librarian. And that gives me a lore friendly company.
Thank you for inspering me to get a 3d printer.
Could you link to your video on the resin you are using? I can't find it and I need a decent resin for mine, current stuff just isn't cutting the mustard!
Man such a nice looking army 😍 love these videos!
Big Up! I will always buy from the originals but now customizing is where I'm starting to see 3d printing really shine!
Next visit up north, we're having a game of KOW. However I do need to paint my army
I would love to see an updated buying guide video. Especially with Christmas coming up.
I know I want to get into 3D printing, but I have 2 or 3 fears that are currently delaying my plunge:
1. Dealing with the fumes and the mess. I’ve heard horror stories of the entire house smelling awful, needing powerful ventilation and/or a work area that is going to be covered in resin. Along with any potential health concerns fumes may pose. Often in your videos, you print things with no obvious ventilation or even mask filtration. Has technology made the hobby fumeless or is this still a serious concern?
2. Technology in this field seems to be moving SO fast that, to be open, it scares me my purchase of a printer will be obsolete before I even learn it. To be clear, I’m not talking about not having the most powerful printer. Not like buying a top of the line video card or smart phone only to have a more powerful one released the following month. I mean like buying Betamax or HD-DVD. Seems like the industry is white hot and backing the wrong horse could be an expensive mistake.
3. Learning curve. Seems like at one point you needed a degree to make a 3D printer sing.
Are any of these concerns even valid anymore?
I just printed out a full mordheim warband for a friend. Would love to see more stuff from that game
What do you do with the water after you dip the uncured resin minis in?
Great video mate. Long time wargamer here but never actually printed any models myself. Are there any good beginner 3D printers out there that you'd recommend? :)
*Edit - Just noticed that you have a video on 3D printers so I'll give that a watch 👌🏻
If anyone has any suggestions or advice, I'd be grateful - thank you 🙂
What gold did you use, looks nice and yellow.
Very nice prints! I love their mummified undead line. I've been building an alien hives army myself. They have so many great proxy models!
Looking at 3D printing was honestly the push I needed to get back into the hobby. After the whole kuffuffle with Games Workshop my passion for tabletop anything kinda died till I found your videos on KoW and started looking at the possibility of 3D Printing and using other models to make a completely custom army, now me and my gf are looking forward to getting into it over Christmas. I think if more game companies took Mantics approach to models the entire tabletop scene in general would be a lot more lively and interesting to look at, as opposed to different paint schemes on the same models over and over.
I wouldn’t say proxy for Kings of War as any model can work as you said. I bought an Anycubic Mono just for printing my minis for KoW, and the choice form the many manufacturers of stl files for minis is growing. This mi]sans I’m not bound to just one company for the models I’m after. I could have bought my KoM using only GW figures but for the same price I bought my resin printer, wash and cure and some STL files, it was a no brainer to be honest. Right now I’m eyeing up the Undead army from One Page Riles….these are some seriously cool minis! Thanks for sharing this vid, I agree with everything you said!
Just wanted to say, great video and I completely agree mate! I am very new to the hobby and have just started a Soulblight Gravelords army for AoS. I genuinely love most of the models in this range however, I hate with a passion, the GW Zombie dragon (personal opinion ofc) and it almost dissuaded me from collecting. Luckily, I have found a very nice proxy model online that I have managed to fit to the correct sized base, From my experience, being able to proxy has pushed me into the game, and I am now more hyped than ever about collecting. It may not make a difference to some people, but for people like myself, being able to pick and choose a model or style that suits you, especially for a center piece model, is 100% a positive.
The only negative for me personally is that I obviously wont be able to take this to Warhammer World or any official tournaments if I ever wish to attend, however I imagine that is a very niche issue with GW games.
I'm a 3d animator but If I wasn't doing that a lot I would be sculpting stuff and I love 3d printing and miniatures games in general. So yeah most definitely. I would love to print with that resin you are using, it looks pretty tough and still detailed.
I am super intimidated by 3d printing. Are they brittle? or does that depend on the resin/ printer. I saw a fully 3d printed Thousands sons army at a tournament and it looked awesome. Got me thinking in how much I invest in my armies. I just dont know where to start.
I'm currently adding proxies to my 90s vintage Warhammer Dwarf army, and it is a wonderful way to add more flavour to the throng. Getting the scale right took a bit, but I'm loving it.
With the realisation the the warhammer army project exists ive been printing mummified undead for a tomb kings army but the fun thing is I can use those exact models in kings of war as well
I'm more into Warmaster now, which GW no longer supports, so proxy models and 3D printing is really the only options available. Outside of Ebay of course.
I can't dedicate as much time to the hobby as I could when I was younger, so armies and rules that are interesting, but don't change are better for me. Also, I can get a several Warmaster armies using proxy miniatures for the price of one current 40k army.
I picked up a resin printer about 6 months ago and really like it. As you say, I don't feel it's killing the hobby, but gives me the ability to be creative. I'm also a patron on One Page Rules. My only issue that I don't like about the resin printer is the models are some what more fragile that other minis, but you just have to not drop them on the floor. :-)
Also the types of resin you can buy will affect the sturdiness of the model, some have flex and others are lighter which will determine the impact of a drop, but superglue works really well since they're clean snaps.
I wouldn't be playing at all if I wasn't allowed to use proxy models. Like 60% of the time spent hobbying is me looking through my STL library,new releases etc and figure out what I could play that stuff as in Age of Sigmar.
I was never even planning to play the game before I got into 3d printing. bit over a year ago I got into the hobby just to paint minis and there were very few factions where I liked both the models and the rules for them so whenever I looked into playing I always just gave up on the idea. Ever since few months ago though basically everything I paint is for an army I'm planning to play with at some point and that has motivated me to paint almost everyday.
I've been a player of TRAVELLER/Snapshot/Striker (old GDW Scifi games from the 80's) that used to use 15mm minis... but I use 28mm minis from ALL boutique and secondary market gamesites like Mantic Games... Great stuff to play out a RPG or ship boarding skirmish.
My only issue with 3d printing is health. I live in a 1 bedroom condo (its also not a true bedroom since the condo is open concept) and I lack any serious way of venting the fumes out. I've considered putting it in my bathroom with the fan running but thats probably not enough, and I've considered magnetizing a fume duct to the back and out the window but thats not doable in the coming winter months. I had planned to get a Mars 2 but I've decided to put it off until next summer for this reason. And I might change my mind again when summer comes around...
Honestly it's not that huge a problem, most resins have had alot of toxic stuff taken out of it, which is why they have less shrinking than before.
Because it was basically substances breaking away and becoming floating particles.
A room with ventilation is all you need, it doesn't even need to be super either if it's not a room you're in all the time.
Hi dude, what resin 3d printer would you recommend for a starter. In the price range of £150ish
As much as I agree with the general idea and support 3d printing, saying "I hate building models" and "saving time" is a bit ... incomplete. Especially when talking about kits with a few pieces you have to sand - which you mentioned. Because being honest demands that you say about the pretty messy process between taking the minis of the plate, removing supports (which hopefully come off as easy as you have shown but we both know that's not always the case), curing them, fixing the imperfections. Basically in all honesty it's sometimes very similar in time/effort. And ofcourse we asume the supports in pre supported files are done well and there are no issues with the print itself. But as I said, I very much support 3d printing, I mainly work with prints and I don't remember when I painted the last GW model. But it aint easy as print remove supports and paint. Just saying. Cheers
I hope to see you 3D print more models!!
what did you use for cleaning resin printer before you did put tub for resin. And to answer yours question yes i would use 3d printer. Since i did buy one it did open huge gaming world aside of plastic mega companies. Next plans for me are to make army for BA what is 3d printed
100%! I decided I wanted to play OPR Age of Fantasy last Thursday. Found warploque's ogres for £40, printed a whole army (£140 GW equivalent) in 2 days, primed and currently painting it now.
Do you know where I can get 3d printed or proxying historical miniatures?
Very good points! I'm also a convert to 3d printing and I've always had the view of being free from a single company's monopoly of rules+miniatures+hobby and have always enjoyed a variety of products from different makers. 3d printing encourages brand agnostic rules and provides more creative, expansive posibilities to fuel the hobby forward.
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With 3D printing - is it possible to print to a specific scale? I do 1:72 scale and it’s a bit smaller than regular scale
I absolutely love my 3d printer, I use it for DnD mostly. I will say that while yes you can get a really good printer for 150-200 be aware that is not your final total. Between buying resin, gloves, ISO, etc it is not an exaggeration to say it adds 75-100 onto the final total. It is a hobby I love and encourage people to get into but just be aware that the costs go beyond that initial purchase.
That's true for any type of manufacturing device. Be it a drill or a CNC machine. The peripherals are always an extra cost. I can agree that many many people just don't understand that concept.
@@DaneSaysStuff yeah the big difference here is that it is advertised as an affordable hobby accessory unlike things like CNC machines.
Having a variety of models makes armies allot more interesting on the table and allot more personalised then just a different colour scheme. personally if there is a model I want for one my my armies, I get it whatever company, 3d print, resin, plastic or pewter, it does not matter because that's going to be more enjoyable to me when it comes to the painting and seeing it on the tabletop.
what tufts do you use?
I have become a big fan of indie games that are model agnostic. I like that I can just use whatever I have or find on the internet. Currently playing Perilous Tales from planet smasher games.
Hiya Luke, You hit the nail on the head - play for fun! Best Wishes Johnny
Hm. Now I am likely gonna spend money on One Page Rules 😂. Proxying is one of the aspects I always loved about Kings of War. And having recently bought an Elegoo Saturn, I’m realizing just how easy it is to print great miniatures!
Please share what paint is used here
when my brother and I starting playing Warhammer in the mid nineties, we used everything and anything that was a figure to represent troops, plastic army men, Lego guys, and even just Lego blocks. For us in those days and for me even these days it's about have a frame work to fight a battle within. We had played panzerblitz for years, so using any figures was a step up from cardboard counters
Your army looks awesome!
I don't do 3D printing (although I have a printer and need to figure out how), I do supplement my Ogre-GEV figures with 6mm sci-fi armor from different companies all the time. It helps to round out the armies that Steve Jackson hasn't done; like Nippon, China, Israel, etc., and gives a break from endless waves of the same-old tanks and GEVs.
I’m also an Ogre player. I’ve got several hundred of STL files to print. Just not the time.
A friend and I were having this chat last night. I bought an Elegoo Mars 3 months ago. I’m paying for 3 patrons right now, and I’ve spent probably $200 in resin. So maybe $500-600 total investment. And I’ve never been happier in the hobby. One page rules is the binding agent in all this because instead of making models to fit my company rules, they have made rules to fit the models I have. It’s never been better. But printing at home is the future.
I printed entire armies of Warmaster and the feeling is so GREAT ! Nice vid
I love proxying! The only problem arises when it's not clear what a thing is and so what it's rules might be. Proxyung let's me see loads of really cool minis, that I can then get... or companies I can use!
Oh nice, i started following OPR last month, lots of tomb kings!!!
Agree 100%. I have no issues with proxying as long as the models are easy to identify as what they should represent. Everything in your video is way above that simple requirement. :) Plus the printing is fun, and an added layer to the hobby and artistry.
Indeed I 100% agree with you.
Like I play Warhammer (like 90% of people here) but there are models that are eather just stupidly overpriced, aren't waht I invisioned for my army OR just so outdated that it's just no fun painting them.
With 3D modeling I just feel like we have so much more freedom in what we can do. Like I already made stuff for my TS army that looks on part with the GW products or at least close enough to it.
I love the options 3d printing presents. My most frequent opponent does not enjoy the modeling process but really gets a kick out of the whole printing process. I'm the opposite. I love a good sprue. Glad there's options so we can enjoy the hobby the way we like and keep gaming.
Big agree on "Nice, simple models." Beautiful 32mm with big bold features for fun, stress-free painting. Their sculptor is fantastic in that regard.
Agreed. I'm a modeler at heart first so building an army from a good sprue isn't an issue. It is the lack of options and sometimes just finding a good sprue for a game can be difficult.
big ups to the Schrödinger's USB at the start
Can we just take a moment to appreciate that double flip with the usb stick before getting it to go in.
proxy is one of my favorite recently acquired tastes. I enjoy painting games workshop as anyone else, but being from a 3rd world country with massive tax on imported goods, proxying was a gift sent from heaven for my skaven army. i can print an army so quickly and after some research i found the perfect models to make it look cool and unique and like 1/10th of the price i would have to pay if i needed to have everything original. My 10 skryre acolytes (that look way better than the originals) already paid my 3d printer. Proxy is good and its a good thing we are getting more companies doing model agnostic games. I still like my original gw stuff, but 3d printing gave me so many options now that i dont see buying any gw model in the close future.