DMX Tile Underlayment is now available on Homedepot.com (linked at the top of the video description) and homedepot.ca. Coming to Rona.ca soon. Hope you found this video helpful. Leave a comment if you have any questions, I’m happy to help. Cheers!
I feel like many beginners and homeowners struggle with layout… maybe a quick explanation of how to make a layout that will look good and logical with a full tile at the entrance to the room/bathroom and no slivers anywhere. Cheers Jeff!
Your style of comparative demonstrations is fantastic. I teach for a living, and showing what mistakes look like goes so much farther than just showing the right way to do something.
I KNEW there was a reason I was procrastinating in replacing a tile floor in one bathroom. Thanks for the recommendation and the backup showing us why.
Not doubting Jeff's knowledge or the info in this video (I've been subscribed for a while and he's a go to of mine whenever I have a home/DIY project that I need help with), but I do like to do additional research/reading just so that I feel fully prepared before starting any project and make a decision based on what I think my needs are. Straight from Schluter Canadian site: "What has changed? DITRA features a new look with design improvements that facilitate installation of the roll. Cutting grooves are now included to provide a guide for straight and precise cuts. Air release vents appear at the corners to allow for faster filling of the membrane with fewer trowel passes. The membrane is now more flexible to enhance workability and lay perfectly flat. Lastly, the enhanced undercut design allows for an even stronger anchoring of the tile."...so the changes claim to aid in making install of the membrane easier and improvement in anchoring of the tile. The groove is meant to be a cutting guide, doesn't mention it to be intended for expansion and contraction. Could be truthful or could just be marketing mumbo jumbo, I'll leave it to each individual to decide that for themselves. But just thought it's good to get as much info out there for the public, because if anyone else is like me, I over research for months before I attempt anything because I need to be feel confident enough to do it myself. As always though, appreciate the videos you put out there, they have been super helpful countless of times!
I was thinking that because the old Schluter system was hollow, the grooves aren't so much cutting out material, but adding it. Once filled with thinset, which resists compression well, the newer system should be more rigid, not less.
I have at this point done 4 bathrooms, a laundry room and front entrance with Ditra. I have used the old style in the first 2 bathrooms and laundry room and the new style in the 3rd bathroom and front entrance. The last bathroom was actually done with the left overs I had (it was a small area) and I used both types at the same time. What I found in the last bathroom is that I did have less of an issue with filling the squares in the new style vs the old. Still had to go in multiple directions but it was less effort to do so in the new style. The cutting thing is probably true but honestly it's not something I really paid attention to as a sharp knife goes through both like butter anyway. Same thing for the flexibility thing, can't say I've really noticed (nor was I especially looking for it). The profile of the holes was actually one thing I wanted to find out for the DMX product. I like how in the Ditra it is wider at the bottom then the top so that it mechanically locks the thinset and tile to the ditra (sort of like an elephants foot concrete footing on fence posts). I know the other DMX membranes (One Step) have a larger top vs bottom profile which wouldn't really lock the thinset and tile to it (other than whatever adhesive quality the thinset has). I wanted to see if this new one also had a similar profile or if it was more like the Ditra one. Sadly I could not find any sort of documentation or image that would show it (and the product isn't available in store to inspect in person). One thing I honestly would like to see from DMX is an improvement of their documentation. It's hard to be impressed when going from the 32 page Ditra installation handbook that describes the product installation on various types of structures and goes into a lot of detail on various installation aspects (with pictures) to a 1 page all text generic looking install "guide".
Well darn it Jeff - now I actually WANT to try tiling for the first time in my bathroom with cracked tile! Thank you. And thank Canada for this product.
Even though its sponsored I do really appreciate you explaining the concept that sounds sane. Takes time but illustrates why you like the product. I know thats why you do it. I also just appreciate the effort. If its cheaper and directly from the manufacturer it probably is better. 30 percent is a common mark up for middlemen.
The DMX membrane needs some color to the backing. With the other membranes you can see when you don't have good coverage because you have a bright orange or yellow against the grey thin set. With the DMX you have a grey background against the grey thin set. Much harder to see ( at least on camera ) if there is a good coverage. I'm just a fly on the wall. I don't do tile so take the feedback for what its worth!
Omg tint your Thursday thinset! That's a joke. Look it's a sponsored video.... And it's normal for anyone to push something like that..... I don't care what size and shape the uncoupling part is... They all do what they are supposed to do and make the tile less susceptible to cracking and cracked grout joints..... Buy whatever you're comfortable with and cost effective..... That's it
You really can't see the difference in coverage like that. It's still pretty difficult to determine by looking at the top of the schluter membrane. You still have to peel it up to see the coverage. It would be pretty cool to just look at the color change though.
You skimmed over the first 2 and made it look like there is a problem then when you skimmed your sponsors product you used more adhesive and the lightly spread it. You know exactly what you did. I've been tiling over 40 years and know you know those 3 products are basically the same. Maybe not cost is different but they would all do the same job perfectly well
Freakin love your videos! They are packed with so much detail and you mention everything so that even beginners know exactly what to do and why. Thank you so much for your content!
And only 9 Months ago DIY'ers put down a ton of Schluter Membrane (me included) thanks to Jeffs video titled: Why You Should use Schluter Ditra on Your Tile Job" with it's opening comment "Everything I know and love about the Schluter Membrane
you were scrapping the floor on the first two membranes while carefully explain on the dmx not to press but hover over. also the DMX is white, if anything it’ll make it harder to be sure you filled and covered everything
Thanks for this timely comparison. Will be tiling a bathroom soon, and am always happy to find something that is not only better and easier to install, but also less expensive. You don't find that often!
Man, looks like I’ll be using DMX next time. Cheaper, 4x easier / faster to fill w/ thin-set + “free” roll of seam tape. What’s not to like? Sure wish I would have discovered it sooner, but thanks to you, I finally did.
Jeff i put cement board down and was gonna put floor leveler to make it level then tile..but now i guess i need uncoupling membrane as well to finish the install properly...i never realized so many things in the ever evolving and changing world of information for the diy person person to understand and learn..thank you for helping us diyers try to get it right the first go..God Bless 🙌 You Jeff Thxz Brother...
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Probably too late but no you don’t need all that. Cement board is an uncoupling membrane. Something like ditra or dmx is if you don’t use cement board. If you use floor leveler (slc) then you can just seal it (if wet area) and tile. Yeah there’s a lot of options.
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They should probably make it with a better contrasting color like the other two though. The white doesn’t provide quite the visibility. I like the design/concept, but a darker color would be better, I think.
Thanks again for a great video. Question - could you please do a tutorial video for a question that I can't find on line. Here goes - I want to convert a bathroom with tub to a curbless shower. Typical lav, toilet, tub on concrete slab. Existing floor is tiled. I don't want to break up the PC slab under the tub, but prefer adding new tiles over the existing. Any thoughts.
Looks like a nice option of the many out there. I am not fully convinced it is much better than Ditra if at all, but I would use it if availability is good and price is lower. I'd like to see you do similar test comparison of Tile Redi shower pans nad wall boards, and Laticrete Hydroban foam wall boards. Maybe my next bathroom project will be with DMX on floor, TileRedi shower pan and Hydroban shower walls.
Very helpful, thank you. I would like to see a similar video using Ditra Heat membrane (including and excluding the "felt" pad*), in comparison with competing products. (* apparently the felt pad is required for condo installation to limit sound transfer).
the floating floor underlayment from DMX is a loose lay product that provides a barrier to cold floors and air flow under your floor. video coming soon. Cheers!
Depends where you shop honestly. At Home Depot, yes Ditra is around 30% more. BUT I can get Ditra for the same price as the new DMX from local shops (and in custom lengths too). DMX is only available from Home Depot as far as I can tell so no "shopping around" possible there. Like Jeff always says, use Google to find local shops that can often be cheaper than Home Depot for the same product (or a higher quality one).
Small update. This product and Ditra are now the same price in the Canadian Home Depot. So any price advantage is now gone. The US side still has this cheaper than Ditra but that may change as well. Also weirdly the Canadian and US prices for Ditra are identical, so if you're in the US going over the border can actually save you money on it. The same is true for DMX's other product (1 step). It's basically a $5 difference between the US and Canadian price, so the US is over paying by around $20 or Canadians are getting a much better deal. So confusing.
@@RCLapCar These membrane prices are very strange. Many of my local suppliers told me they can give me a huge discount on them if I purchase the tile from them. I think they are intentionally jacking up the prices in the retail space due to lower demand but the tile suppliers must get it at a much cheaper bulk price and they use that as a bargaining tool to beat retail stores.
Are there any radiant heating coils that are compatible with DMX like with Schluter? Love the DMX engineering, would love to also have the floors heated.
Hello guy. I am looking into design a membrane. Both sides will have a glue that is designed to be stronger than the mortar. Peel off and stick on so it's easy and no mess and then use a heat gun to lock the glue in. Those glues are expandable so if you have grove or holes like tiles, it will expand into it so you won't have any hollow spots but gentle enough that won't push the material out. Also when it dries. Glue will be rock hard like a mortar so when you remove it in future to renovate there won't be any sticking stuff. And when you remove it. Just use heat gun and heat it very hot and then just with little bit of pry, it will come out easy without damage the tile. Design to made: Easier to apply. Less mess. Quicker. Stronger. Let me know if this will be a good sale. Most important part is it will be lifetime warranty.
So the ditra would be ok for a small space if you have time to fiddle with it. For large spaces the dmx would be ideal. Thanks for this! I'm tiling my foyer that is on concrete.
I built a laundry room in my garage that has a concrete slab. There were many hairline cracks in it so I went with using red guard. it was cheap and easy to apply. It's only been less than a year, but so far no issues. If you're going to be doing it in an interior room, these sorts of membranes might be better in the long run. We had our patio installed professionally with tile and they used Ditra. That one has been outside for 2 years and it's still perfect.
Good day Jeff I always watch and learn from your program but can you do a demonstration on concrete or i should ask can it be used on concrete or do i need a sub flooring first before using this product
I would love to see how you install heated floor with this. I think I read one of your comments that says its coming soon. Just subbed and looking forward to it. This came at just the right time; I'm about to begin bathroom remodel
So what happens with the other 2 membranes if you used the same lack of force you did with the white? You force it into those two but just did like a peanut butter spread on the DMX. Would the other two react the same with the less amount of force and only need 1 pass or would it not fill in the voids?
Jeff, starting at 9:48, it works even better to have your legs fully extended, feet together, and a 45-pound weight on your back. You can add another 45 if you want a workout.
I am sure they all work about the same performance wise, but DMX is about 56 cents USD cheaper per sqft than the Schluter Ditra product in my area. That is a huge deal on a big job. Even on a 150 sqft kitchen floor, that is over $80. That is pretty significant. I don't know anybody who wants to spend that kind of money needlessly. Jeff, looking forward to the install video.
So weird thing. I just checked again and for whatever reason here in Canada this new DMX product is now the same price as Ditra ($128CAD). I know when it first came out it was around $90CAD (more or less). Not sure why the price increase suddenly. Also oddly Ditra is the same price in both the US and Canada even though with the exchange rate the US price should be around $90 not $128 (so either the US is overpriced or Canada is getting a killer deal). This DMX product in the US is still lower priced (for now?) compared to Ditra. Also interestingly the DMX 1 step (for floating floors) is only $5 cheaper in the US which again with the exchange rate makes no sense (should be at least $20 cheaper in the US than it is now). If you're in the US and want either of these products I guess go to Canada to get it and save even more?
@ in my area, Denver, Home Depot has dmx listed at $84.99 usd a 54 sqft roll, $1.57/sqft. Floor and decor sells ditra at $114.39 usd for the 54 sqft roll, $2.12/sqft.
@@AJourneyOfYourSoul This whole price thing is really confusing. The new price increase in Canada actually makes the US and Canadian prices comparable based on current exchange rates. The Ditra prices are really odd. The Floor and decor price you said would actually make it more than $30 cheaper to buy in Canada based on current exchange rates. So either we are getting a killer deal on Ditra in Canada or you guys are getting royaly screwed in the US on it. The DMX 1 step pricing also doesn't make sense ($82USD vs $90CAD). If you take current exchange rates, the Canadian price for DMX 1 step should be closer to $118CAD and not $90CAD.
@ I am sure lots of other products are the same way. They charge whatever the market will bear and one side or the other gets screwed. Which makes it so important to vote with your wallet.
Thank you for your feedback! We’re glad to hear that DMX Tile Membrane is providing great value compared to other options. The price difference, especially for larger projects, is significant, and we’re committed to offering a high-quality product at a competitive price. Regarding the recent price change in Canada, we’re actively working with Home Depot Canada to bring the retail price back to $99.99 CAD / 54 sq.ft roll. We’re also excited to announce that DMX Tile Membrane will be available at Rona stores across Canada starting in February 2025, giving you even more options for purchasing. As for pricing in the U.S., DMX Tile Membrane is still more affordable compared to other brands, especially when you consider that it also comes with a free roll of DMX Vapor Band for complete waterproofing - an additional value that other brands do not include. We believe this makes DMX a great choice for customers looking to save without compromising quality. Whether you’re in Canada or the U.S., we’re committed to providing excellent value on our product. DMX Customer Care
Hi Jeff, great channel. Let me be an alarmist… Regarding sump pumps, I have both AC and DC BackUp. I also have a two level alarm sensor water float alarm switch. If the AC pump fails, when the water is near the upper back up pump trigger, The Alarm Central receives “Main Pump #1 Fail”; which will clear in a minute or so if the back up activates and keeps things dry. I have another separate float near the top of the sump pit which Alarm Central receives, “Urgent Dual Pump Failure” and because I came from the alarm industry (retired) I have a floor water sensor near the pit which triggers “Sump Fail, Water on the Floor”. My alarms also text me. My long term attitude is “never have an insurance claim” (you VILL pay in the end and then some, especially these days. Even my 94 year old neighbor said he got a cancellation letter because travels in the winter away from frigid Chicago and does not have an Alarm Central type low temp alarm. I designed it and of course it had low temp detection. It was even on the Certification for insurance discount they already had on file. I am saying this to suggest perhaps talking Sump Pump is a show idea. If you need me, feel free to ask. I can also talk environmental alarms. I even have an alarm water sensor near next to the washing machine that shut off the water main. (Not affiliated with any company now).
Howdy! My wife and I are DIY renovating our 1950's house in VA. We are tiling 4 bathrooms (1 is in the basement on concrete slab), and the entryway/foyer and kitchen. We have ~1/2" subfloor and 3/4" hardwood in living spaces, but the entry way - foyer - kitchen and bathrooms will be tiled again with 1/2" natural stone. Ideally we'd like a no-step-up transition but originally I was expecting to have to lay down another 3/4" plywood over the 1/2" subfloor before using an uncoupling membrane for tiling, likely raising the tile floor height at least 3/4 (1/2" tile + 1/8 membrane + thin set) from the hardwood height. Is the DMX tile membrane suitable to replace needing a second layer of plywood?
I think blanke is one of the only “uncoupling membranes” that is acceptable over 1/2” subfloor. Personally I would not install on anything less than 3/4” but I have used their product before for natural stone on 3/4” subfloor and it worked well. Natural stone requires a complete different installation method so be sure to do your research or you’re gonna waste a lot of money
Great videos and 98% of things you say Ifully agree, so keep posting so I got something to show clients that an expert agrees with my methods. As a note, you should dye your hair or not stand in front of white walls. In this video your head looks dented because your hair blends to the back ground. It gave me a chuckle.
This is easily the most dangerous content on RUclips. It fully makes me believe I could DIY a whole bathroom remodel myself! Considering becoming a member for questions I might have along the way.
Ordered 11/30, from Home Depot, in stock,.. week 3 still waiting for them to ship to the store. Had to reschedule installer,.. 4 x times. Still waiting.
What would be the best membrane to match height to 1/2 in engineered hardwood? Or would dropping the subfloor (like the schluter shower) be the best option? Small powder room/garage mudroom area in Northern Virginia.
Measure the thickness of your tile (typically 3/8"), add 1/8" for the thickness of the thinset. Regular Ditra and this new DMX are 1/8" thick, Ditra XL is 5/16" thick.
why didn't you put the seam tape underneath the membrane ? instead of on top like you demonstrated. Is there a difference in strength if you put it underneath ? I see this like carpet seam tape. So to me it would go underneath. Does the manufacturer state one way over another?
Product is now live on homedepot. ca www.homedepot.ca/product/dmx-tile-membrane-54-sq-ft-40-8-in-x-16-ft-x-3-mm-uncoupling-membrane-for-stone-and-ceramic-tiles/1001901195
Jeff I am using a lateral drain for a shower. I am used to making my own mud pack shower pans. I am trying to use a schluter pan but I cannot find a pan that has the lateral drain on one end. I know that I watched one of your videos where you had the drain on one end. I am about to make a mud pack if I can’t find a solution. I need your advise. Thanks
I see you switched trowels when putting down the DMX, vs the other two. My guess is you need more thinset to fill the area since it's round vs square. If that is the case it should be noted otherwise it does not look like a apples-to-apples comparison. ;)
@xyipher False. He used the exact same towels. Anyone who watches Jeff knows his honesty. He doesn't even edit out his mistakes. Your comment is insulting and arrogant.
I'd be interested to find out how Ardex's glue would work with this stuff. Like you I don't like how plywood absorbs moisture and possibly compromise the bond. I've used the glue with Ditra and liked the results. Just seems to make more sense to me.
i want to see a long term comparison (on an existing cracked floor) between Mapei Mapelastic roll-on crack isolation membrane and these Schluter clones. Mapelastic is $0.50/sqft. DMX is $1.57/sqft.
Sorry, but schluter with the double-sided tape version is a game changer...... No needs to thinset it down. Goes on super easy quick and you start tiling right away
Yes, it goes down over the seam. You thinset it down after putting down all the membrane. It makes the surface completely water and vapor proof for bathroom, kitchen or any floor you want.
I get it. It's always my aim to be authentic and transparent with the DIYer first in mind. I've been doing this for over 8 years now, I believe the trust i've built with my audience speaks for itself. Always open to hear your feedback. Cheers
Tried to contact this company for DMX membrane solutions multiple times and no answer. Used the contact form as well and its malfunctioning. Can’t find this product at any major retailers, no place on their website where it says where to buy. -- unfortunate and I am in Canada
When you skimmed over you made a big deal about not filling up dimples and that would cause a failure. You know that's wrong because any missed bits would be filled with adhesive when tiling
Weatherman sells umbrellas. But seriously, direct bond is amazing still. If you're not waterproofing under the tile, all these products are unnecessary upsells to move money from your wallet to theirs.
Ho Johnny. Correct direct bond works well in ideal conditions. however the DMX membrane provides protection in the event of power failures in the winter , a condition that will cause a direct bond to fail. in addition it can be applied directly to the single layer of substrate so no need to buy plywood glue and screw. DMX is actually less expensive and a much faster install and provides a superior installation with more benefits. Schluter membrane was always more expensive than direct bond but now the membrane even has a cost and time advantage with this new tech. Worth considering. Cheers!
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY I will consider it when renovating my bathroom next year. Is it compatible with in floor heating? One last question, when are you available to come help with my bathroom reno ;)
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DMX Tile Underlayment is now available on Homedepot.com (linked at the top of the video description) and homedepot.ca. Coming to Rona.ca soon. Hope you found this video helpful. Leave a comment if you have any questions, I’m happy to help. Cheers!
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Does DMX offer an under floor heating system?
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY showing out of stock and $128 just like Ditra rolls for 54sf
Also the Ditra I picked up was made in Canada.
I’m installing this product in my forever home and will film a full tutorial so let me know what you want to see
I feel like many beginners and homeowners struggle with layout… maybe a quick explanation of how to make a layout that will look good and logical with a full tile at the entrance to the room/bathroom and no slivers anywhere. Cheers Jeff!
Why it's dumb .
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Your style of comparative demonstrations is fantastic. I teach for a living, and showing what mistakes look like goes so much farther than just showing the right way to do something.
I KNEW there was a reason I was procrastinating in replacing a tile floor in one bathroom. Thanks for the recommendation and the backup showing us why.
Not doubting Jeff's knowledge or the info in this video (I've been subscribed for a while and he's a go to of mine whenever I have a home/DIY project that I need help with), but I do like to do additional research/reading just so that I feel fully prepared before starting any project and make a decision based on what I think my needs are. Straight from Schluter Canadian site: "What has changed? DITRA features a new look with design improvements that facilitate installation of the roll. Cutting grooves are now included to provide a guide for straight and precise cuts. Air release vents appear at the corners to allow for faster filling of the membrane with fewer trowel passes. The membrane is now more flexible to enhance workability and lay perfectly flat. Lastly, the enhanced undercut design allows for an even stronger anchoring of the tile."...so the changes claim to aid in making install of the membrane easier and improvement in anchoring of the tile. The groove is meant to be a cutting guide, doesn't mention it to be intended for expansion and contraction. Could be truthful or could just be marketing mumbo jumbo, I'll leave it to each individual to decide that for themselves. But just thought it's good to get as much info out there for the public, because if anyone else is like me, I over research for months before I attempt anything because I need to be feel confident enough to do it myself. As always though, appreciate the videos you put out there, they have been super helpful countless of times!
I was thinking that because the old Schluter system was hollow, the grooves aren't so much cutting out material, but adding it. Once filled with thinset, which resists compression well, the newer system should be more rigid, not less.
I have at this point done 4 bathrooms, a laundry room and front entrance with Ditra. I have used the old style in the first 2 bathrooms and laundry room and the new style in the 3rd bathroom and front entrance. The last bathroom was actually done with the left overs I had (it was a small area) and I used both types at the same time. What I found in the last bathroom is that I did have less of an issue with filling the squares in the new style vs the old. Still had to go in multiple directions but it was less effort to do so in the new style. The cutting thing is probably true but honestly it's not something I really paid attention to as a sharp knife goes through both like butter anyway. Same thing for the flexibility thing, can't say I've really noticed (nor was I especially looking for it).
The profile of the holes was actually one thing I wanted to find out for the DMX product. I like how in the Ditra it is wider at the bottom then the top so that it mechanically locks the thinset and tile to the ditra (sort of like an elephants foot concrete footing on fence posts). I know the other DMX membranes (One Step) have a larger top vs bottom profile which wouldn't really lock the thinset and tile to it (other than whatever adhesive quality the thinset has). I wanted to see if this new one also had a similar profile or if it was more like the Ditra one. Sadly I could not find any sort of documentation or image that would show it (and the product isn't available in store to inspect in person).
One thing I honestly would like to see from DMX is an improvement of their documentation. It's hard to be impressed when going from the 32 page Ditra installation handbook that describes the product installation on various types of structures and goes into a lot of detail on various installation aspects (with pictures) to a 1 page all text generic looking install "guide".
Plus for the DIY person get the Schluter peel and stick. no need to thinset it to the subfloor.
Well darn it Jeff - now I actually WANT to try tiling for the first time in my bathroom with cracked tile!
Thank you. And thank Canada for this product.
Even though its sponsored I do really appreciate you explaining the concept that sounds sane. Takes time but illustrates why you like the product. I know thats why you do it. I also just appreciate the effort. If its cheaper and directly from the manufacturer it probably is better. 30 percent is a common mark up for middlemen.
The DMX membrane needs some color to the backing. With the other membranes you can see when you don't have good coverage because you have a bright orange or yellow against the grey thin set. With the DMX you have a grey background against the grey thin set. Much harder to see ( at least on camera ) if there is a good coverage. I'm just a fly on the wall. I don't do tile so take the feedback for what its worth!
You can tint your thin set if its an issue
Omg tint your Thursday thinset! That's a joke. Look it's a sponsored video.... And it's normal for anyone to push something like that..... I don't care what size and shape the uncoupling part is... They all do what they are supposed to do and make the tile less susceptible to cracking and cracked grout joints..... Buy whatever you're comfortable with and cost effective..... That's it
You really can't see the difference in coverage like that. It's still pretty difficult to determine by looking at the top of the schluter membrane. You still have to peel it up to see the coverage. It would be pretty cool to just look at the color change though.
@@simpsonsampson7662he’s talking about lifting it up.
When you lift the first two you can see what’s stuck bc of the color.
@@cfomusic73yeah they all do the same thing, but one is easier to do. That’s what he explains in this video.
You skimmed over the first 2 and made it look like there is a problem then when you skimmed your sponsors product you used more adhesive and the lightly spread it. You know exactly what you did. I've been tiling over 40 years and know you know those 3 products are basically the same. Maybe not cost is different but they would all do the same job perfectly well
Freakin love your videos! They are packed with so much detail and you mention everything so that even beginners know exactly what to do and why. Thank you so much for your content!
Cheers!
Very informative video as always Jeff. The hand though that appears out of nowhere @23:26 with the scissors and cuts the band steals the show.....
And only 9 Months ago DIY'ers put down a ton of Schluter Membrane (me included) thanks to Jeffs video titled: Why You Should use Schluter Ditra on Your Tile Job" with it's opening comment "Everything I know and love about the Schluter Membrane
Remember this was a sponsored video.
At least where I am DMX is the exact same price as Ditra... but the DMX isnt even available... so Ditra it is 🙂
You are good. Always a pleasure to watch and learn.
you were scrapping the floor on the first two membranes while carefully explain on the dmx not to press but hover over. also the DMX is white, if anything it’ll make it harder to be sure you filled and covered everything
DMX??
X gon' give it to ya!
Thanks for this timely comparison. Will be tiling a bathroom soon, and am always happy to find something that is not only better and easier to install, but also less expensive. You don't find that often!
Glad it was helpful! Canadian made and sold for a fair price. Cheers!
Man, looks like I’ll be using DMX next time. Cheaper, 4x easier / faster to fill w/ thin-set + “free” roll of seam tape. What’s not to like? Sure wish I would have discovered it sooner, but thanks to you, I finally did.
Jeff i put cement board down and was gonna put floor leveler to make it level then tile..but now i guess i need uncoupling membrane as well to finish the install properly...i never realized so many things in the ever evolving and changing world of information for the diy person person to understand and learn..thank you for helping us diyers try to get it right the first go..God Bless 🙌 You Jeff Thxz Brother...
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Watching you do this made my shoulders ache. Might have something to do with being raised by a dry waller. Great video
Probably too late but no you don’t need all that. Cement board is an uncoupling membrane. Something like ditra or dmx is if you don’t use cement board. If you use floor leveler (slc) then you can just seal it (if wet area) and tile. Yeah there’s a lot of options.
@krehbein it's not to late I'm taking my time to learn all I can thank you for giving me this knowledge ...it's a blessing..God Bless You Marry Christmas To You and Your Family..thank you again
@@krehbeinCOMPLETELY WRONG, Cement board is NOT an uncoupling device.
They should probably make it with a better contrasting color like the other two though. The white doesn’t provide quite the visibility. I like the design/concept, but a darker color would be better, I think.
Do you use unmodified for both subfloor to fleece and on top of the membrane? Or modified for subfloor to fleece and unmodified for membrane to tile?
Good to see another option in the market. Curious what the pull away is like in the DMX. It was hard to see in the video
DMX seems to have a superior product that work great for home renovations.
Thanks Jeff for the wonderful information & video.
Thanks a lot.
You bet!
Thank you so much for the kind words! We're thrilled to hear that you’re impressed with our products.
Dmx has me sold on the name. They better being paying royalties to the late great rapper.
Yea the Schulter I had to pass like 4 to 6 times to completely fill it
i love the groove for cutting the ditra
Thanks again for a great video.
Question - could you please do a tutorial video for a question that I can't find on line.
Here goes - I want to convert a bathroom with tub to a curbless shower. Typical lav, toilet, tub on concrete slab. Existing floor is tiled.
I don't want to break up the PC slab under the tub, but prefer adding new tiles over the existing.
Any thoughts.
It will make more easy if dmx comes in color will be easy to see the fill up of the thin set thanks for your expertise
Looks like a nice option of the many out there. I am not fully convinced it is much better than Ditra if at all, but I would use it if availability is good and price is lower. I'd like to see you do similar test comparison of Tile Redi shower pans nad wall boards, and Laticrete Hydroban foam wall boards. Maybe my next bathroom project will be with DMX on floor, TileRedi shower pan and Hydroban shower walls.
great ideas! Cheers!
Very helpful, thank you. I would like to see a similar video using Ditra Heat membrane (including and excluding the "felt" pad*), in comparison with competing products. (* apparently the felt pad is required for condo installation to limit sound transfer).
The DMX can also be used for under VP flooring !!
DMX 1 step 2.0 is awesome as an underlayment
Does it still have to be stuck down and if so with what?
the floating floor underlayment from DMX is a loose lay product that provides a barrier to cold floors and air flow under your floor. video coming soon. Cheers!
Perfect for kitchen, laundry, mud room, etc.
Thank you Jeff for the very informative video again!
My pleasure! Cheers!
Great video. Thanks!
Glad you liked it!
Looks like a great product at 35% cheaper cost. Thanks for sharing.
Depends where you shop honestly. At Home Depot, yes Ditra is around 30% more. BUT I can get Ditra for the same price as the new DMX from local shops (and in custom lengths too). DMX is only available from Home Depot as far as I can tell so no "shopping around" possible there. Like Jeff always says, use Google to find local shops that can often be cheaper than Home Depot for the same product (or a higher quality one).
Small update. This product and Ditra are now the same price in the Canadian Home Depot. So any price advantage is now gone. The US side still has this cheaper than Ditra but that may change as well. Also weirdly the Canadian and US prices for Ditra are identical, so if you're in the US going over the border can actually save you money on it. The same is true for DMX's other product (1 step). It's basically a $5 difference between the US and Canadian price, so the US is over paying by around $20 or Canadians are getting a much better deal. So confusing.
@@RCLapCar These membrane prices are very strange. Many of my local suppliers told me they can give me a huge discount on them if I purchase the tile from them. I think they are intentionally jacking up the prices in the retail space due to lower demand but the tile suppliers must get it at a much cheaper bulk price and they use that as a bargaining tool to beat retail stores.
Thank you for all your great videos. How would it work with electrical or radiant floor heating?
Are there any radiant heating coils that are compatible with DMX like with Schluter? Love the DMX engineering, would love to also have the floors heated.
coming soon! Cheers!
Hello guy. I am looking into design a membrane. Both sides will have a glue that is designed to be stronger than the mortar. Peel off and stick on so it's easy and no mess and then use a heat gun to lock the glue in. Those glues are expandable so if you have grove or holes like tiles, it will expand into it so you won't have any hollow spots but gentle enough that won't push the material out. Also when it dries. Glue will be rock hard like a mortar so when you remove it in future to renovate there won't be any sticking stuff. And when you remove it. Just use heat gun and heat it very hot and then just with little bit of pry, it will come out easy without damage the tile.
Design to made:
Easier to apply.
Less mess.
Quicker.
Stronger.
Let me know if this will be a good sale.
Most important part is it will be lifetime warranty.
So the ditra would be ok for a small space if you have time to fiddle with it. For large spaces the dmx would be ideal. Thanks for this! I'm tiling my foyer that is on concrete.
Would you use the membrane over concrete?
definitely, prevents cracks when concrete cracks. Cheers!
I built a laundry room in my garage that has a concrete slab. There were many hairline cracks in it so I went with using red guard. it was cheap and easy to apply. It's only been less than a year, but so far no issues. If you're going to be doing it in an interior room, these sorts of membranes might be better in the long run. We had our patio installed professionally with tile and they used Ditra. That one has been outside for 2 years and it's still perfect.
Good day Jeff I always watch and learn from your program but can you do a demonstration on concrete or i should ask can it be used on concrete or do i need a sub flooring first before using this product
You can go straight on concrete with any of these products. Just make sure to vacuum and wash the concrete to get all the dust off it.
I would love to see how you install heated floor with this. I think I read one of your comments that says its coming soon. Just subbed and looking forward to it. This came at just the right time; I'm about to begin bathroom remodel
This products not for heated floors they got different coupling membrane for that
I will be using the DMX heated floor product in my bathroom remodel of my forever home. Cheers!
Mapei is also making a decoupling membrane with round simples. It would had been nice to include it and see how it compares to DMX membrane.
Thats a good core workout Jeff!!
that is why they call it work. Cheers!
So what happens with the other 2 membranes if you used the same lack of force you did with the white? You force it into those two but just did like a peanut butter spread on the DMX. Would the other two react the same with the less amount of force and only need 1 pass or would it not fill in the voids?
@madcattersguideservice7724 The other two would remain more expensive, even if their performance were identical to the DMX.
Hi Jeff, wondering if DMX has or is planning on having a membrane for electric heated floors like Ditra Heat?
Jeff, starting at 9:48, it works even better to have your legs fully extended, feet together, and a 45-pound weight on your back. You can add another 45 if you want a workout.
I am sure they all work about the same performance wise, but DMX is about 56 cents USD cheaper per sqft than the Schluter Ditra product in my area. That is a huge deal on a big job. Even on a 150 sqft kitchen floor, that is over $80. That is pretty significant. I don't know anybody who wants to spend that kind of money needlessly.
Jeff, looking forward to the install video.
So weird thing. I just checked again and for whatever reason here in Canada this new DMX product is now the same price as Ditra ($128CAD). I know when it first came out it was around $90CAD (more or less). Not sure why the price increase suddenly. Also oddly Ditra is the same price in both the US and Canada even though with the exchange rate the US price should be around $90 not $128 (so either the US is overpriced or Canada is getting a killer deal). This DMX product in the US is still lower priced (for now?) compared to Ditra. Also interestingly the DMX 1 step (for floating floors) is only $5 cheaper in the US which again with the exchange rate makes no sense (should be at least $20 cheaper in the US than it is now). If you're in the US and want either of these products I guess go to Canada to get it and save even more?
@ in my area, Denver, Home Depot has dmx listed at $84.99 usd a 54 sqft roll, $1.57/sqft.
Floor and decor sells ditra at $114.39 usd for the 54 sqft roll, $2.12/sqft.
@@AJourneyOfYourSoul This whole price thing is really confusing. The new price increase in Canada actually makes the US and Canadian prices comparable based on current exchange rates. The Ditra prices are really odd. The Floor and decor price you said would actually make it more than $30 cheaper to buy in Canada based on current exchange rates. So either we are getting a killer deal on Ditra in Canada or you guys are getting royaly screwed in the US on it. The DMX 1 step pricing also doesn't make sense ($82USD vs $90CAD). If you take current exchange rates, the Canadian price for DMX 1 step should be closer to $118CAD and not $90CAD.
@ I am sure lots of other products are the same way. They charge whatever the market will bear and one side or the other gets screwed.
Which makes it so important to vote with your wallet.
Thank you for your feedback! We’re glad to hear that DMX Tile Membrane is providing great value compared to other options. The price difference, especially for larger projects, is significant, and we’re committed to offering a high-quality product at a competitive price.
Regarding the recent price change in Canada, we’re actively working with Home Depot Canada to bring the retail price back to $99.99 CAD / 54 sq.ft roll. We’re also excited to announce that DMX Tile Membrane will be available at Rona stores across Canada starting in February 2025, giving you even more options for purchasing.
As for pricing in the U.S., DMX Tile Membrane is still more affordable compared to other brands, especially when you consider that it also comes with a free roll of DMX Vapor Band for complete waterproofing - an additional value that other brands do not include. We believe this makes DMX a great choice for customers looking to save without compromising quality.
Whether you’re in Canada or the U.S., we’re committed to providing excellent value on our product.
DMX Customer Care
Is it also better to roll up the membrane to the wall (few inches) to add more water proof if we tile the wall as well (ex: shower)?
finally man. thank you
Any specific brand of thin set you prefer for the DMX? Mine just arrived at Home Depot today. Less than 4 day turn around.
18:30: I was actually typing the question, haha 😂
Hi Jeff, great channel. Let me be an alarmist… Regarding sump pumps, I have both AC and DC BackUp. I also have a two level alarm sensor water float alarm switch. If the AC pump fails, when the water is near the upper back up pump trigger, The Alarm Central receives “Main Pump #1 Fail”; which will clear in a minute or so if the back up activates and keeps things dry. I have another separate float near the top of the sump pit which Alarm Central receives, “Urgent Dual Pump Failure” and because I came from the alarm industry (retired) I have a floor water sensor near the pit which triggers “Sump Fail, Water on the Floor”. My alarms also text me. My long term attitude is “never have an insurance claim” (you VILL pay in the end and then some, especially these days. Even my 94 year old neighbor said he got a cancellation letter because travels in the winter away from frigid Chicago and does not have an Alarm Central type low temp alarm. I designed it and of course it had low temp detection. It was even on the Certification for insurance discount they already had on file. I am saying this to suggest perhaps talking Sump Pump is a show idea. If you need me, feel free to ask. I can also talk environmental alarms. I even have an alarm water sensor near next to the washing machine that shut off the water main. (Not affiliated with any company now).
Howdy! My wife and I are DIY renovating our 1950's house in VA. We are tiling 4 bathrooms (1 is in the basement on concrete slab), and the entryway/foyer and kitchen. We have ~1/2" subfloor and 3/4" hardwood in living spaces, but the entry way - foyer - kitchen and bathrooms will be tiled again with 1/2" natural stone. Ideally we'd like a no-step-up transition but originally I was expecting to have to lay down another 3/4" plywood over the 1/2" subfloor before using an uncoupling membrane for tiling, likely raising the tile floor height at least 3/4 (1/2" tile + 1/8 membrane + thin set) from the hardwood height. Is the DMX tile membrane suitable to replace needing a second layer of plywood?
I think blanke is one of the only “uncoupling membranes” that is acceptable over 1/2” subfloor. Personally I would not install on anything less than 3/4” but I have used their product before for natural stone on 3/4” subfloor and it worked well. Natural stone requires a complete different installation method so be sure to do your research or you’re gonna waste a lot of money
What are your thoughts on the DMX vs Ditra heat peel and stick? From what I've seen it looks quite easy to install without all of the thinset mess.
Is there a particular reason the band is installed on top of the membrane instead of underneath?
What thin set is recommended to use with DMX? No more pricey All Set?
4:24 X GON GIVE IT TO YA!😂
6:57 didn’t know that test, really handy to know so thanks, I also heard that for tiling you want “McFlurry” Ice cream consistency
What about over concrete floors, is the process any different? What do you do about existing small cracks on floor?
Great videos and 98% of things you say Ifully agree, so keep posting so I got something to show clients that an expert agrees with my methods. As a note, you should dye your hair or not stand in front of white walls. In this video your head looks dented because your hair blends to the back ground. It gave me a chuckle.
Rough Rider's Anthem on repeat after this one 🙌🙏💯
This is easily the most dangerous content on RUclips. It fully makes me believe I could DIY a whole bathroom remodel myself! Considering becoming a member for questions I might have along the way.
Can you use this DMX membrane product with an infloor heat cable/mat?
✅ Jeff - Been watching you for years, people should call you Amazing Energy. How’s ‘AE Jeff’. lol. Architect and Engineer…
What are the benefits to using uncoupling membrane over cement board?
@HomeRenoVisionDIY Does the DMX install on concrete?
absolutely. Cheers! crack prevention!
Hey there love your videos what’s your opinion on the mapei products
Can I use the same liquid waterproofing seen in your shower wall/tile video under my floor tiles?
yes!
Directional troweling?
Ordered 11/30, from Home Depot, in stock,.. week 3 still waiting for them to ship to the store. Had to reschedule installer,.. 4 x times. Still waiting.
What would be the best membrane to match height to 1/2 in engineered hardwood? Or would dropping the subfloor (like the schluter shower) be the best option? Small powder room/garage mudroom area in Northern Virginia.
Measure the thickness of your tile (typically 3/8"), add 1/8" for the thickness of the thinset. Regular Ditra and this new DMX are 1/8" thick, Ditra XL is 5/16" thick.
why didn't you put the seam tape underneath the membrane ? instead of on top like you demonstrated. Is there a difference in strength if you put it underneath ? I see this like carpet seam tape. So to me it would go underneath. Does the manufacturer state one way over another?
just curious how was Wadi compare to these other systems?
Any idea when it’s coming to Canada? I’m north of Toronto. Thx
Should be up on Homedepot.ca in the next week or so. Cheers
Product is now live on homedepot. ca www.homedepot.ca/product/dmx-tile-membrane-54-sq-ft-40-8-in-x-16-ft-x-3-mm-uncoupling-membrane-for-stone-and-ceramic-tiles/1001901195
Can this be used with electric underfloor heating
the in floor heat version is almost released to the market. I will be letting everyone know when it is. Cheers!
Jeff I am using a lateral drain for a shower. I am used to making my own mud pack shower pans. I am trying to use a schluter pan but I cannot find a pan that has the lateral drain on one end. I know that I watched one of your videos where you had the drain on one end. I am about to make a mud pack if I can’t find a solution. I need your advise. Thanks
You're looking for the Tile Redi Trench shower pan found in his 8/15/24 bathroom video.
Hiw does these products compare where ther is a crack i. A cement slab that gets a tiny bit bigger? Is one more forgiving than another?
they are all uncoupling membranes so they have the same performance when it comes to crack protection.
Do you DMX on walls also? Is there any thing different when working on concrete basement floor
not for walls. but yes for basement flooring. same install.
I see you switched trowels when putting down the DMX, vs the other two. My guess is you need more thinset to fill the area since it's round vs square. If that is the case it should be noted otherwise it does not look like a apples-to-apples comparison. ;)
@xyipher False. He used the exact same towels. Anyone who watches Jeff knows his honesty. He doesn't even edit out his mistakes. Your comment is insulting and arrogant.
It was making my knees hurt watching you crawl around on the floor without knee pads. 😬
no worries my knees have really good callous. Cheers!
Can you do a video on laying basket weave tiles?
I'd be interested to find out how Ardex's glue would work with this stuff. Like you I don't like how plywood absorbs moisture and possibly compromise the bond. I've used the glue with Ditra and liked the results. Just seems to make more sense to me.
Does it hold? Good
@@DomTran3119 it does
i want to see a long term comparison (on an existing cracked floor) between Mapei Mapelastic roll-on crack isolation membrane and these Schluter clones.
Mapelastic is $0.50/sqft. DMX is $1.57/sqft.
You are supposed to use a modified thin set when using the tile membrane to plywood.
Yes
Y'all gon make me lose my mind!
Up in here up in here!
Where is this product sold in Canada?or is this another Canadian company that caters to only the neighbors down south?
Launching in Canada at Homedepot.com and Rona soon. Cheers
Home Depot has it now.
Where can I buy this ?
The product is linked at the top of the video description. Its currently available on homedepot.com and.ca
난방되는 콘크리트 바닥에도 쓸수있는 제품입니까?
You scraped the first pass on the other mats, with the dmx you were lighter on the first pass. Gotta be equal.
I agree, but for some reason, he said out loud on the DMX pass "don't scrape it." Why not scrape the DMX if you scraped the first two??
y'all gonna make me lose my mind.. up in here.. up in here
What if you have old subfloors that are tongue and groove with some gaps
Sorry, but schluter with the double-sided tape version is a game changer...... No needs to thinset it down. Goes on super easy quick and you start tiling right away
So vapor tape from one row of membrane to the next row....?
Yes, it goes down over the seam. You thinset it down after putting down all the membrane. It makes the surface completely water and vapor proof for bathroom, kitchen or any floor you want.
Schluter Peel and stick makes laying down the membrane faster.
Great video and everything that you said makes complete sense. However sometimes it hard to trust a youtuber that is sponsored.
I get it. It's always my aim to be authentic and transparent with the DIYer first in mind. I've been doing this for over 8 years now, I believe the trust i've built with my audience speaks for itself. Always open to hear your feedback. Cheers
Tried to contact this company for DMX membrane solutions multiple times and no answer. Used the contact form as well and its malfunctioning. Can’t find this product at any major retailers, no place on their website where it says where to buy. -- unfortunate and I am in Canada
Personally I use laticrete ditra. It's same hing just different pattern
the rollout on this product is going to be any day now. will be on the shelves in Rona and online everywhere else.
@@HomeRenoVisionDIYthanks Jeff, they contacted me via email and got me the details as well. Appreciate the response
Schluter peel and stick is faster. Tile install same day
peel and stick is not an uncoupling membrane and has not been field tested. I personally don't trust it at all.
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY weird, on their website it says it is.
Your a goat Godbless 🐐
I think monolithic has to do with the footer and floor poured all at once. Nothing to do with rebar
if it has no rebar it is not monolithic because it can crack into sections. Cheers!
When you skimmed over you made a big deal about not filling up dimples and that would cause a failure. You know that's wrong because any missed bits would be filled with adhesive when tiling
@dazzasib Accusing Jeff of deception could you in Canadian jail, a.k.a Detroit.
Direct bond, 3/4 inch glued & screwed, 23 years, ZERO tile/grout cracks.....not sure why we need all of this extra material nowadays.
Weatherman sells umbrellas. But seriously, direct bond is amazing still. If you're not waterproofing under the tile, all these products are unnecessary upsells to move money from your wallet to theirs.
Ho Johnny. Correct direct bond works well in ideal conditions. however the DMX membrane provides protection in the event of power failures in the winter , a condition that will cause a direct bond to fail. in addition it can be applied directly to the single layer of substrate so no need to buy plywood glue and screw. DMX is actually less expensive and a much faster install and provides a superior installation with more benefits. Schluter membrane was always more expensive than direct bond but now the membrane even has a cost and time advantage with this new tech. Worth considering. Cheers!
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY I will consider it when renovating my bathroom next year. Is it compatible with in floor heating? One last question, when are you available to come help with my bathroom reno ;)