Do premium after-market driver shafts tighten dispersion? Fujikura Ventus vs Ventus TR
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- With the Fujikura Ventus and Ventus TR bossing tour counts, we set out to see how all six models compare to each other and a stock Callaway Mitsubishi Kai Li White shaft.
We show how the Ventus Red, Red TR, Blue, Blue TR, Black and Black TR all compare for ball speed, launch angle, backspin, shot height, descent angle, carry distance and shot area. Whilst also offering buying advice as to who each will best suit.
Timestamps:
1:02 How popular are the Fujikura Ventus and Ventus TR driver shafts on tour?
2:04 Everything you need to know about the Fujikura Ventus and Ventus TR driver shafts.
4:55 How all six Fujikura Ventus and Ventus TR driver shafts compare to each other, and a standard stock driver shaft in data.
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Can we get a video matchup of Nonvelocore vs Velocore?
If we had the Ventus and Ventus TR with TaylorMade hosel adaptors, we of course would have done this. On this occasion the shafts came with the Callaway adaptor, so there was zero point in comparing the shafts using two different driver heads.
If we can get hold of the Ventus and Ventus TR with a TaylorMade adaptor, we will have a look at this for sure.
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TXG did this exact video. The fake (TM made for) versions are not the same shaft, not even close. Velocore technology is what makes the Ventus line so consistent and the fake ones do not use Velocore technology
The non Velocore version is mass produced in China. The real Ventus's are made in small batches in Japan with much much tighter quality control
I would say absolutely Shafts are just as Important as the Driver Head.
Interesting the Black had the highest launch angle. Didn't expect that.
Another great review and stock ventus on the Taylormade clubs really have helped for the the mass golfers. Ok Simon you are being honest and truthful with your 89 mph swing why don’t you test the regular ventus shafts and give us your input? I hit 85 mph and in the summer it’s a littler more but I would like to see you test the R flex ventus shafts…most of us are mear mortals 😊
Thanks for the feedback Robert, appreciate you taking the time.
I'd love to share my data, but hand on heart I know it's nowhere near as reliable as Neil's. Shots will need to be removed, which raises questions about the shots left in being a fair reflection of the shaft and not my performance.
We've tried a decent amount of amateur testing before but it always raises questions about reliability.
For now at least would you agree, is it useful to have some input from me, based on my slower speed, but without a direction comparison in data?
@@todaysgolfer I think you are correct on most parts but remember most of your audience are normal golfers the masses hit 80-90 mph with about 3000 spin. I am always interested in James Robinson has a mid handicapper visit his show so would rick Sheils and I love gabe (let’s play thru) but his swing speed is at 95-100 and a single digit he’s better then most average golfers…but he’s all we have…It’s important. TXG has Matt that slows down his swing even hits left handed. But it’s not as good.
Good way to think about these shafts: Standard is the base non-upcharge version. Ventus Velocore is the tipped version of the standard. TR is the tipped version of the Velocore. So if you want to save some money get the standard version and tip it to get the torque stiffness that you desire.
Understand why you might think this, but we wouldn't be doing our job if we didn't point out the after market Ventus and Ventus TR are made out of different materials compared to the none VeloCore model.
It's because both shafts use Pitch 70 Ton (Ultra High Modulus carbon fiber) and 40 Ton (High Modulus carbon fiber) that make them premium and more expensive. The TR also has material spirally wrapped around the shaft high up to stiffen torque, reduce twist and validation. Which the none VeloCore models also don't have.
Great review. Sure wish it was an extra $100 for those 😊.. which red & blue r u playing, Red reg and blue x? I'm at 97mph and thinking red stiff?
Thanks for the feedback. Neil is playing the Ventus Blue 60 X, Simon has the Red 50 R.
You really need to give them a try, the different structures aren't just about speed, you can also tailor feel and ball flight preference with them too.
Hope that helps.
Nice that you did this one. 👍 I recently had a Titleist fitting putting me in the TSR3 with the stock Tensei Blue 60 S. However, they then put the upcharge Graphite Design Tour AD UB6 S in my hands, and the dispersion immediately narrowed, and even before knowing the result, the feel was just so much better and more connected, albeit also firmer (though not "boardy" as you state with the Ventus TR). I'm currently contemplating going standard or upcharge, but I feel that I will have more confidence with the Tour AD, and thus will swing it more freely and better (and enjoy it just that bit more). I'm just a normal middle-aged HCP 10 ss 95-ish mph, so no pro by a long way.
What are your thoughts on this and experience from similar fittings?
Would you always recommend standard if it's somewhat near the same performance ligke it seems you are doing here?
Thanks for the feedback Niels, appreciate you taking the time. Not just based on the results of this test, but on everything we've learned about premium models, we're leaning towards the premium option, so long as you can afford it and take the time to find that one shaft you absolutely love. Don't just buy the popular option to massage an ego.
We were surprised the data stacked up like this, there's likely to be times when you're not swinging well that it won't but if we were looking at spending our own cash, we'd be seriously focused on finding a premium option that suits our game.
@@todaysgolfer Thank you very much for the response👍. It's really helpful in my decision process. From your comments it sounded like going premium was a doubtful decision...😅
I now lean heavily towards the TSR3/UB6 combo - I've been fitted/demo day fitted with Paradym Triple Diamond and Mizuno ST-X 230 as well, but the TSR3/UB6 combo was neck and shoulders above in performance, and feel was just love at first swing 🥰
Anyone else notice that the "ultra low launch" shaft launched higher than the mid to high launch shaft? It's nice that you "test" these shafts, but I'm sure you know that 10 swings with each doesn't begin to be meaningful. The test should also be blind and shafts alternated every few swings to avoid patterns where you make a handful of good swings in a row.
Great subject, any reason not to compare each to the non velocore versions as surely that’s the fairest comparison?
Thanks Andy.
Fujikura let us have the Ventus and Ventus TR with Callaway hosel adaptors, so we couldn't swap to a competitor head model without ending up comparing apples to pears, rather than apples to apples.
Hope that explains.
The non velocore version isn’t the same shaft. It’s a mass produced cheap shaft with the same graphics. No comparison.
I currently play Ventus Blue stiff flex with Velacore. I feel like the shaft get a little sloppy in the middle section and lower. Would an older player (54) with an aggressive/ quick transition and an early release and a 105/ 107 swing speed and a high ball flight/ high spin be more suited to the Ventus Blue TR in an X flex or Ventus Black TR in a stiff flex? Thanks!! I wish I could still swing 110 to 113, but sadly no.
If you feel the Ventus Blue is a little sloppy in the mid-section start by hitting the TR Blue, it sounds like you could be a decent candidate for it. We'd only start looking at Black or Black TR if you really wanted to lower ball flight and or spin...it's pretty demanding.
Great Video, looking at a new driver. I have 100 mph driver swing with an aggressive transition. Which non Tr Ventura shaft be best for me. Read, blue or black?
Thanks Frank, appreciate your feedback.
You really should get along to a decent fitter and try them yourself. If you like a stouter, almost harsher feel the Ventus Blue TR could be a good starting point.
Go with the Ventura Pro XTD. Best one for sure.
Could you recommend to me which one I should go for? Ventus blue, red 5R vs Speeder NX Black 50R. My swing speed is 95. Thanks, a lot.
What did you end up getting ?
this video would have been better if you ran the stock ventus versus the Velocore to show the differences then maybe some of the tests you ran....
If we had the Ventus and Ventus TR with TaylorMade hosel adaptors, we of course would have done this. On this occasion the shafts came with the Callaway adaptor, so there was zero point in comparing the shafts using two different driver heads.
If we can get hold of the Ventus and Ventus TR with a TaylorMade adaptor, we will have a look at this for sure.
I love the Ventus blue stock shaft on my driver and 3W but never compared to the Velacore version. I was told the stock options are very similar and the colour simply changes from year to year to fit in with the new colour schemes , the number and letter combinations say if it stiff/medium and what the trajectory is. So if you compare a stock shaft with the same colour velacore they won’t necessarily have the same characteristics. That said I think delivery and swing path is most crucial for my accuracy. I think you need to be a v consistent golfer to get an advantage from the premium shafts, having once tried a velacore shaft.
@@adrianlovett3483 Thanks for sharing, appreciate you taking the time.
If you do fancy trying a Velocore shaft make sure you know how much extra they are over the other custom shafts available at nil cost, otherwise you might be in for a bit of a shock as £500 for a premium driver is bad enough as it is without the significant uplift you'll need to pay extra out for one of those IMO
Thanks for your input Adrian, for sure any premium shaft is a hefty investment.
@@todaysgolfer As ever it's a personal choice isn't it. Probably 15-20 years ago now I went to Golf Principles and Jason MacNiven fitted me for some new custom fit shafts in my driver, woods and hybrids. They did make a big difference over the stock shafts I'd been fitted for locally and as you've said in your video I did keep them for a number of years and only changed them when my swing speed decreased as I got older. In general custom fitting has come a long way since then and the choice manufacturers give now is far greater, often at nil cost so personally I'd want to make sure shafts like the ones you've tested were a significant improvement over what else was available in their custom fit range. Fortunately I have found a very good club fitter locally (Gary at Bromsgrove Golf Club) who has just custom fitted a new Stealth 2 driver for me after my swing has changed following a series of lessons with my club pro so I'm looking forward to trying that out as the numbers we produced on the day were very encouraging.
@@Bazza47 Completely agree Adrian.
Great you've seen gains and recognised when you've needed to move on thanks to swing/speed changes. Also good too hear you've found a club fitter you feel you can work with.
So I’m a bit confused, and hoping you can clear things up for me. If you buy a new Ventus or Ventus TR both have velocore technology - is that right? You did say there are Ventus shafts without velocore - are they only old models? Or can you still buy a new Ventus that’s non velocore?
Thanks
Great question Cameron. The after-market Ventus and Ventus TR both have the VeloCore structure, and the logo is printed on the shaft tip, just above the hosel.
The Ventus that Fujikura make for the current TaylorMade Stealth 2 driver, fairway and hybrid, don't have the VeloCore structure, so essentially it's a OEM version, made from less expensive materials.
Hope that explains.
@@todaysgolfer thanks! That would be the same OEM shaft in the Wilson Dynapwr drivers then too. Whilst I get it now, Funikura have created confusion in doing that (maybe intentionally???)
@@cameronloveless1751 It's pretty much usual practice Cameron. Brands will make a premium after-market shaft made of the best materials available, then also offer an OEM version at a reduced price and slightly lower grade materials. It's so brands can hit a price point on their drivers.
I have a TSR2 11° with a Project X HZRDUS Red shaft. What ventus shaft would you recommend? i have a slow swing and are 60 y.o thx
Do you think you have tighter dispersion with the upcharge shafts because you tend to hit the middle more often?
In terms of dispersion Fujikura say it doesn't matter if you hit the centre more often or not with a premium shaft. They talk instead about the additional stability coming into play on off centre hits.
@@todaysgolfer Thank you!
Is the Ventus Black going to be a little more “forgiving” for off-center strikes than the Ventus Black TR or is it the other way around?
The TR will have a stouter feel Bobby. All Ventus shafts have stiff tip sections to aid dispersion on off centre hits.
Hope that helps.
Hi there, looking to get fit for a ventus shaft. Can you tell me a location or event where this is possible? I'm based at Woodhall Spa, but willing to travel. Thanks
Hi Chris, we don't have locations for all fitters, but we'd seriously recommend contacting the good people at Precision Golf in Surrey, or Golf Principles in Basingstoke. Completely appreciate both are a heck of a trek from Woodhall.
The kai’li is a premium shaft. Stupid comparison. Better comparison would be the made for non velocore ventus vs the velocore TR.
If we had the Ventus and Ventus TR with TaylorMade hosel adaptors, we of course would have done this. On this occasion the shafts came with the Callaway adaptor, so there was zero point in comparing the shafts using two different driver heads.
If we can get hold of the Ventus and Ventus TR with a TaylorMade adaptor, we will have a look at this for sure.
ther is absolutely no reason to spend over $350 for these shafts unless you have a very face reproduceable swing. if you swing at over 115 mph, and your handicap is 5 or under, yes by all means. but if you have erradic slower swing speed swing, you are absolutely wasting your money because you wont benefit from these shafts. these are primarily stronger, low torque shafts designed for someone who needs more material. graphite weaved so it doesnt twist providing stability so your at faster swing speeds you can consistently hit the sweet spot. they are charging a premium for stability. if you want the same for less find a cheaper shaft with the lowest torque and tip it 1 inch. I guarantee you will have the same accuracy and stability for a fraction of the price. much of golf industry is hype and scam. dont fall for it.