ABA's STRONG Normal Mode Pressure Guide
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- Опубликовано: 25 июн 2024
- idk what to put here so im just gonna say now 214S is the future
twitter: @XenoAme but i wouldnt recommend following me for strive :)
0:00 Introduction
0:18 Listing our options
1:04 Offense's foundation (Hitstop OS)
2:02 Block pressure
2:48 Basic mindgames, what to think about
3:30 Beating FD
5:20 Beating jump
6:45 Conclusion
#GGST #GGST_AB #GGST_ABA 
Игры
this xeno fella is a masher
Damn straight. The tappers fear us
That feller knows his normals
Floor check
"spend 7 minutes learning normal mode ABA"
Round Start: Back dash ---> Jealous Rage
Delete this video man we cant let them know ABA is good
Soona an aba main no way
Frfr
Nothing to see here…bottom tier…worst in game….carry on.
i feel like i stumbled upon a college lecture
In a good way or? 🧐
in a very helpful way. your vid was super insightful and I can understand the roadmap you geniuses make when looking at a character
I'll need to rewatch this at least 5 times for my brain to comprehend any of this
Just like with any other guide lol.. At least it's not a brain melting, written guide
@@PinePizza FR, those suck. and the chapter less, unorganized 50+ minute guides that probably should be split up
“Oh god they found the Garuda loops!”
"Sir a second Garuda loop has hit the meta..."
I main Pot and something about ABA's pressure instantly felt familiar... now I know what lol.
@@HappyLittleBoozer the reason I put the quotation marks is because the first thing I did was c.S > Kara key grab > 5k > Kara key grab > etc., I was so shocked that it took this long to be covered in any capacity
(I don’t use discords like that so I wouldn’t know if it came up somewhere else, this is my only knowledge of this existing so if it does exists somewhere else, I’m sorry!!!)
I’m glad someone else was able to recognize her strengths in normal mode! I’m so tired of hearing how she’s sooooo bad in normal but op in JR.
As a defensive player this makes me smile. She has great movement options in base form (air dash, intertwine and tilt, and heed and haul). If you get comfortable with her in base form, you'll dominate once she transforms. I love , love, love her mechanics. I will definitely main her soon.
dude you condensed infomation better than college. Win man. win it!
Ngl this is refreshing from the Aba doomers
Let them doom so Arcsys buffs her. I want my old danzai back, gimme that sweet frame 1 armor
Yeah the dooming is really why I wanted to make something more positive, I think it's far too early to give up and she's really fun regardless
I’m the #1 aba believer aba is good we just need to but all our tech together to prove to everyone that aba is goated
Finally, someone who recognizes the potential in aba that I do
Well, as a Potemkin player with my fastest option being 5 frames, I'm fucked :(
true, but back megafist is airborne frame 3 iirc so he might be able to interact at points where other characters cant. test some stuff out dont give up
Back mega fist is kinda crazy against the plus on block option
I've found that FD into backdash is our best option for most ABA things if they aren't doing any delays.
I have been in a cycle of wanting to play aba getting discouraged and then seeing something that makes me want to do it again, you have continued this cycle
In normal mode you can hold your dash button and block at the same time to safely approach when you’re out of meter
she has fuzzies off of safejumps and can safejump off like every knockdown otg she gets if im not mistaken. 236k in jr can be fast drift rrc'd either forward or down on block for a high-low 50/50 after your high-low 50/50 (pretty common tbh but thought id mention), it's kinda silly but you can use fd to cancel your normal mode run at the end of the first burst of speed you get, then cancel it into another run for faster movement overall. you are gaining less meter than you would by normally running, and you will have small vulnerable gaps unlike normal run, but it's cool ig.
its THE CIRCLEEEEEE 🗣🛏
An asset to the A.B.A community 🙏
Finally, a video about Aba normal mode tech
I finally got to buy ggst a few days ago and aba and happy chaos are the two characters I’m practicing to main, this video was really helpful :)
new to GG, learning Aba, this was very useful 👍
Such a well put together vid! Great job :D
I dont even play this game but she is just fascinating.
highkey one of the best fighting game tutorials i've seen. very cohesive and well labbed. subbed!
You are doing gods work man. I don't care if she is strong or weak after she gets developed, I am playing her because she is cool AF
I literally took the plunge with this game finally because I liked ABA’s design too much and had to play her. Glad to see she has potential and isn’t as bad as people were making her out to be.
This was a very well thought out guide, been trying to figure out her pressure.
I AM A BELIEVER
Super clean guide, mad props
I main sol which means i have to interact with this, ive known this since day two. For people who think 5K beats all of this, most of her moves have blowback that makes it it whiff.
Beautiful
This is the best guide out there
Really well made. I fought an aba today that was blowing me up in normal mode. Now I know how to do the same thing >:)
I've been taking advantage of keeper of the key in moroha mode as a way to re-engage pressure from any situation/position and a delayed frame trap from Kara 236s that midscreen on trade if the opponent attempts to check my pressure results in a full combo due to it being guaranteed to come out after the super freeze (7frames startup to the super freeze) and if aba gets hit after the super freeze you can instantly start moving in to combo off the super
Yeah this super is seriously the best and even if you have 1 jealousy left, you can use the super to get an uninstall off safely. Really useful super with so many uses.
maybe I sound dumb, but I really want to get into this game just to play as her, so this video is really helpful. Thanks!
I just bought the game to play asuka so we can be dumb together
super nice guide! consider doing more
Awesome video my dude
BANGER
Doin the lords work. My ABAs bout to level up
Great video! Might have to redownload!
I knew she was meant to be my new main when I made it from floor 7 to floor 10 whit barely using jealous rage.
Bro is talking about looping kara cancels when I can barely get one done, it really is doomed for me unless I get some hands.
Her pressure is really threatening without it, so don't sweat not getting it too much! When they first added dash cancels I spent like a week getting into my muscle memory so it may seem easy for me but only because I really grinded it out early on, I struggled too.
this is amazing
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FYI you can 5H > cancel with 214K, 236K, or 236S to keep going. 5H has 18 frames of blockstun, being a level 4 move, so 214K (26f), 236K (17f startup), and 236S (12f startup) are all relevant here. I wish there was some way to make this frametrap but i suppose that's using 214K and punishing whatever they do.
Here's another fun thing: if you tap dash and then hit f.S it'll get a tiny bit of extra range. I don't know what the frame data on that looks like, but it gives the opportunity to hit f.S from farther back (ex from round start position). c.S or 5K > dash cancel into quick f.S can be quite scary! Presumably you could also kara-cancel into 214H, though 214H is 2f slower than f.S. No clue what the minimum dash time is before it can be canceled into f.S.
I feel like the 5K > 214H loop is gonna get nerfed, haha.
She's a fun character so I don't really care whether or not she's the best in the Game (which is the only way people won't say that a new character is bad)
sick video! could you cover kaguya next?
DEFINITELY in the works, do not consider what day I'm writing this.
I've been playing a jealous rage free aba for a little bit and ngl it slaps.
Never really did dash cancelling before, and now it seems necessary for setups like this! Any tips on the 5k 66 214h? I can only nail it 1/20 times.
I think the only thing left we need to find with A.B.A is a way for NM to deal with avoidance based gameplans, and she'll be golden. Even then, I think the "gameplan" against zoners is better JR meter management. Especially against Asuka, threatening JR has been successful for me. Alongside A.B.A's high health, she is able to wait for 50 meter so she can mode swap right into JR.632146K and pull up. Sometimes, I'll run up and swap back once I'm close enough to run NM preasure again, since wasting JR for preasure in those problem match-ups has a real chance to leave you meterless and at full screen.
When I lose 70% of my life to ABA in install and then she she's stuck in normal mode with 0 rage I think to myself "Thanks for the easy win." If you can't threaten install, your neutral pressure is gone.
I have so much fun staying in normals
Wow I need to practice so much
hey, if you're not in the strive aba discord you should join. A friend of mine didn't want to because they thought it would just be full of hornyposting but the labbing channel is active basically 24/7
no clue how to find it tbh
@@XenoAmeIt's on Dustloop under resources
Amazing video!! Do wonder though if you have any thoughts on her matchups against axl and johnny?
Her 5h and command dash seems pretty good if spaced against johnny, though she seems to struggle a-lot with an axl if they sit far opposite of you
Ive been purposely going out of my way to play against her bad matchups, so I might be able to give some advice! :]
Axl:
Parry is your friend. If you can parry him full screen and then just keep blocking after, you get 25% jealousy and he can't punish the weirdly long recovery since he's far away. Your main difficulty here will be if he uses the full screen command grab.
If he does that or tried to set up whistling wind (also if you can avoid/block a sickle flash) you can manually enter jealousy and go wild. Then it's just up to you to dash block towards him, Airdash block towards him, or use 214/236k to close the gap.
Johnny:
I'm pretty sure he's minus enough after mist finer that you will either punish with or at least force him to block a 5H. This move is also great at checking him for trying to set up a card while you're blocking. The real tech is making sure you find his favorite mist finers to use, since low mist finer loses to 236k and mid mist finer loses to 214k.
@@SaturnnCast this was actually a great reply, thanks!!! Only bad matchups i've been getting at 10f is just a bunch of asukas, thankfully that matchup is simple enough
@SaturnnCast explained the Johnny neutral interactions, which is mainly where I am at that MU so for Axl I will say that walking him down is really the goal and parrying specific tools is very beneficial.
Axls strings are very risky and if you know how to deal with his special cancels, ABA can really hit him for it. Using FD will make rainwater and his tornado whiff, which is really important because those can't be punished easily on block. After using FD to make tornado whiff, 5H will CH very easily and allow you to 236K 5K 214H as a punish from most distances. If rainwater whiffs, ABA can't outright punish him but FD coupled with rainwater moving him back pushes him really far to the corner and while rainwater is hard for her to hit, she can use that time to pop install and play neutral like that if she wants. His other options are rensen and snail, snail is -24 on block meaning you can almost always punish with dash 5H 236K and rensen leaves a gap long enough for ABA to iad punish. You don't always have to hit Axl mid special but representing these will dissuade him from mindlessly throwing the same option at you over and over.
Neutral is pretty simple though, check his air approaches and slowly walk him into the corner until he has no choice but to be in your range. She can react to fullscreen rensen pretty reliably with parry to get some Jealousy but don't rely on it to heavily because he has his fullscreen command grab.
Also, tornado doesn't hit extended hurtboxes, so if Axls ever are charging up nados you can always chuck 5H at it and you won't be hit
@@XenoAme its honestly crazy how good her 5h is when it comes to poking out zoners, wish ppl gave her more credit but hey if it means she wont be nerfed then aba c tier forever 🫡
i didnt like playing literally any character in strive other than maybe bedman but im jus glad i got her finally 😭
sooo.. is there a trick for the dash keygrab? Like... k, dash and as soon as the dash starts 214HS but incredibly quickly? I have a rough time chaining these together. I can do like ones, but it's so difficult.
shes so broken lmao i love her so much
People will try and tell you that at -1 "it's no longer your turn"
Now do a "Aba's Jealousy mode pressure is strong" vid so I dont have to lab anything myself 🙏
B-b-bakana! her normal mode is turble!
Any tips on doing the Kara key grab, I can't seem to get it to work, I can dask cancel out of the kick but I can't seem to cancel the dash animation into keygrab.
Press 5k, buffer dash and input 214, then you have a few frames to hit H and get the kara. If you get keygrab you hit H too quickly, if you get dash cancel you were too late.
If you're not already, use the dash macro
But the way I think about it is this: I press kick and IMMEDIATELY press dash, then I 214H
If you press dash while doing any sort of the motion, it won't come out so the faster you hit dash the more time you have to input 214H.
There's a lot of ways you could input it. I was trying a variety out and what has been most consistent for me is 5k > 2145 DashMacro H. This always works for me except for in one case: since this special has a back input, you cannot still be holding back when you press the dash button because it turns into backdash so you don't get the dash cancel. Plink the dash macro and H together but always make sure you've fully let get of the directional input.
Lol if only her normal were this good in XX
Is anyone else struggling with the 5K DASH CANCEL 214HS? im dash canceling the 5K but am never getting the Key when i do get it it's random? Kara canceling is on fo the reason why i gave up on Pot back then lol and now here it is again great video btw
garuda impacto ptsd
How do I buffer the HS DP in this combo at 1:50? I've been trying for an hour to get this part off with no results.
I did a dash kara'd danzai, and I have the input reader and virtual controller on the top left for a visual if you want to see that as a guide. The way I input it usually is cS -> dash macro+6 -> 23H
I made a short recently about how to do dash kara'd specials if you want to take a look at that as well: ruclips.net/video/IN9vM9E-n_w/видео.htmlsi=nDLoYfF4DlyDSWID
Really just focus on doing the input as soon as you can after pressing cS. The combo requires a bit of execution so dont worry about not getting it immediately, there are other combos from that hit you can opt for instead for similar damage/oki. Good luck 🫡
@@XenoAme Thanks! I just picked up ABA today, so I'm going through all the guides I can to see how to play her effectively. Your guides have been a real help.
Does anyone have advice for getting that dash kara key grab? Whether it’s just some input trick I can do or something finnicky with it, can’t for the life of me get it
Its really timing and practice. The way I do them is cS/5K -> dash and input (214) -> P/K/S/H
While my left hand is inputting the motion, my right hand presses the dash macro, then once the motion is done I press the button
how do you dash key grab? cant seem to do it
I made a short about how I do dash karas, ruclips.net/video/IN9vM9E-n_w/видео.htmlsi=VjlyST6QFq50M5DY
Let me know if this helped
Reminds me of bedman's corner pressure
imma have to take your word on that i do not know what that character is doing still
"Aba's normal mode pressure is surprisingly good and lethal when you're cornered"
Oh good, I'm always getting cornered by massive psycho offense-minded apes, this should help me get ou- .... oh. Oh. Dang.
Nice content, thanks. Why is 214S the future? I've found it kind of lacking.
It allows you to gain jealousy against zoners, punish long recovery moves if you roman cancel, and influence your opponents to leave longer gaps in their pressure. Sure it's startup is a bit slow but it's not really meant to be a Baiken Parry.
Pretty much what above said.
If you parry moves that have gatlings/followups you can actually invuln through them and punish your opponent at times, so its another thing for your opponent to watch out for and it gives a massive amount of install that can generally give you enough time to pop install, play neutral, and if you don't get a hit return back to normal form with another chance later.
I think it's very natural to use vs Asuka so if you fight any try it, looking at their spells you can start timing your parry pretty easily and even represent it vs his strong roundstart spells
@@XenoAme I agree, parry is best used in those tough zoning matchups imo. I've seen people complain about parry not having some sort of followup to guarantee a punish and they're missing the point. its meant to be for when you don't want to risk trying to land a hit but need to get gauge back. if it was also a strong defensive tool that gave you guaranteed punishes to get out of pressure it would be stupid
@@oatmeal5672
Probably because they refuse to commit to reads with the risks and just want to play games in Easy mode.😂
Been playing ABA for a few days. 2k,2d after key grab or 214k works really well in normal. JR mode.. yea do whatever - DANZAI.
I have no idea what these terms mean and I don’t know where to learn, what does stuff like 236k mean and stuff?
236K is called "numpad notation" which uses a keyboard's number pad to represent where you put your stick. 236 means down (2), down-forward(3), forward(6) and K means kick.
glossary.infil.net/
This website defines common fighting game terminology. Use this to define anything you don't understand and find explanations for any lingo you come across.
Numpad notation is defined here: glossary.infil.net/?t=Numpad%20Notation
www.dustloop.com/w/GGST
This website is a wikipedia for gameplay in Strive. Here you can find all the moves and their notations, for example this link: www.dustloop.com/w/GGST/A.B.A#Intertwine_and_Tilt shows ABA's move Intertwine and Tilt, and notates it as 236K underneath the move's name. Here you can familiarize yourself with strive's specific notation and find all the information the players have.
The main thing aside from numpad notation I discussed in this video is frame data, something you can read about here: glossary.infil.net/?t=Frame%20Data , which describes how moves work in a mathematical sense.
Thank you so much this is great!
@@XenoAme Oh my god thank you so much, I’ve been trying to get into guilty gear recently and it’s been so difficult learning everything, this is exactly what I was looking for!
5k dash cancel key grab is hard to do.
MF I WAS DOING THIS 5K KARA KEYGRAB SHIT DAY 2 AND I TOLD PPL ABT IT BUT PPL TOLD ME IT WAS SHIT IM SO PTOUD OF MYSELF
I've never touched a Guilty Gear game in my life...
I have no idea what "minus #" or "oki" means...
Why did I watch this whole video?
Plus/minus refers to the amount of frames where either you or your opponent are in some kind of animation while the other is not. So if close slash is +1, there is one frame where you are free to act but the opponent is still in the blocking animation, meaning you have free time to act. Minus moves are dangerous because they are done blocking before you're finished with the animation of the move, giving them time to punish you.
Oki refers to when you finish a combo, the opponent hits the ground for a second, and while they are down you get ready to continue pressuring them. Oki is possible because you can be hitting them with a move on the first frame they have stood up (we call this a meaty), giving them zero ability to do anything but keep defending against you.
If these things sound interesting you should try Guilty Gear!!
so this deranged lady swings around a key and thats pretty cool i think
So, who do I listen to? Because I've seen other videos saying her normal mode is absolutely garbage, others saying is aight and now this.
Always form your own opinions on fighting games and characters, theres a lot of bias and no one source can be fully trusted more than you. I would take everything you've heard about and test for yourself and come to your own conclusions by validating things for yourself. e.g. test these strings against people yourself and if they work and dominate your games, then you can conclude what I was talking about was right and vice versa, if it doesn't work then you know ABA's normal mode pressure isn't as strong as I said.
Stop telling them…
1:13
I don't know if ABA is good or shit, but one thing that must be keeping opinions of ABA down is that 90% of the ABA players in celestial on launch week are ridiculously goddamn predictable. I'm not that scared of ABA install when at long ranges they run at max speed straight into my pokes because they expect me to be scared, and at short range they always go for the overhead after a couple normals AND then mash buttons while they're -2 so my jabs are basically a guaranteed punish. I know you're doing the unreactable overhead instead of lows, and I know you're mashing afterwards so this shit is just free. I have seen so many ABAs do the exact same thing, so I'm wondering where they inherited the ape genes.
It's the remaining 10% of ABA players that actually don't do the exact same things and actually mix up their options.
ABA is NOT weak! but she is a feast or famine character
I hate aba as a dlc character. She is really fun to fight tho...weather shes in jealousy or not. Plus her jnstall keeeps u on your toes
Disjointed fS and HS, frame advantages, I am wondering why are some players on the Discord channel I’m in so afraid to play neutrals or commit to reads playin her.😂
why do you talk just like the official starter guide guy
Please, don't listen to this videos. A.B.A is the worst character in the game and she IS NOT a threat for any character in normal mode. Just rush in on her, she doesn't have the tools to punish anything. If you are losing it's all because you are bad, and NOT because she is good.
That's all I have to say about her.
Stop scrolling.
Really. I just made a big gap in the comment and put a lil "." at the end.
Trust bro. She is trash. Needs more buffs.
See. Nothing. Just go...
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