Those interested in the take-off distance I looked at the temp that day and it was 80 Fahrenheit, dewpoint 62 and slight right crosswind, and full fuel and 120 pounds in baggage. Chad and I were 565 pounds. 26 seconds and measured on GIS at 1900 feet. For what it's worth.
Calm water and the float tips were submarining at times. I would be going up a few float sizes to start. Combined with a long time to get up on-step and airborne. Check AOA. It might be challenging trying to achieve a safe power-off landing in it's current rigging. What is the W&B? It appears from the short clip, to have pretty sketchy margins. (nose heavy). Murphy’s have good STOL characteristics this plane does not. Be safe and get an A&P or an EAA - Build Assistance to have a look, please.
Glad the RUclips comment section experts have arrived! Keeping everyone safe one comment at a time. Amazing how you are able to diagnose all these problems from a short 360 cam video. Good thing you're keeping everyone safe👍
I have full scale aviation background & fly RC aircraft.. RC are much more sensitive to CG shifts..weight and balance can be seen immediately in hand or on balance stand & scales .. in the air we see & feel the results without mortal risk..one finds discernment of aircraft behavior is the primary focus as control is the same, but operation is MUCH simplified compared to full scale. I fly electric STOL land & float planes, on the RC we usually have ONE water rudder that doesn't retract, now more planes have two, and reverse thrust allowed by speed controllers is common.. Seems like quite a plane..big 4 blade prop tells you how much torque that engine has! What a sound! Fly safe!
*I might have noticed elevator/power control touch concern.. *Full aft elevator required until on step is typical to assure prevention of noseover..coordination of backpressure is absolute minimum control required .. Engine out float landing characteristics of this plane with its weight & feathering prop must inspire more confidence in the moment..retaining energy through roundout & flare🤔
That beast sounds amazing! Just a brute! So "throaty" ... reminds me of an offroad race truck / meets float plane. You know it's good when it makes you laugh out loud on take off. That fuselage looks like it's built like a tank too. Impressive.... Thanks for sharing the video. I was fortunate to spend quite a bit of time in Beavers, Otters, and Cessna's in my early days, up in Ontario ...flying out of Knobby's in Sioux Lookout. I always said the best part of the fishing trips for me, was the ride in and out in the float plane.
That's a Funny statement, I have been flying in, and worked around commercial float planes, Beavers, 185, s and Turbo Beavers, and have never heard a commercial pilot, say "clear props" that's clearly a Rookie, Private pilot Thing 😂😂😂
First Rule of Floatplanes: If there are boats afloat in the area, then be sure to stay touching the water while passing them (while touching the water) at, say, 140 kts. It's important that they know that if there was a boat race, the floatplane would win by a 2:1 ratio of Top Speed on Water. After this has been accomplished, then you can takeoff and enjoy the flight.
To all the people talking about how loud it is, Generally speaking people on the ground are going to hear the prop far more than the engine exhaust note during takeoff, climb out, and cruise flight. Good looking airplane.
I lived up in Traverse City, Michigan for a few years and I forget what group it was but they had a bush plane fly in on west bay (lake Michigan). There were all the planes you would expect from Beavers. Otters, a few cubs, etc. The one that sticks in my mind was a guy that hated trying to pull up to his dock so he put a foot controlled fishing trolling motor in one of his floats.......lol
I love the old school Cessna shirt. Last time I saw that was when Doug Masters wore it while flying the Snake against Notcher in Iron Eagle. 😂. “Heh heh. Tough landing fly baby”?
This is the ultimate LS swap. It sounds amazing on take off can't wait to see him add boost and 200 wet shot to it for stol comps. But it's such a big plane and heavy for it's size class but I'm sure with a few mods and stuff he will have it bush ready. I like that it has reverse that's really nice for a water plane
I don’t know much about planes but that engine sounds tough as hell. Very cool! But if you ask me, the pontoons sure appear to sit low in the water in my opinion.
Ahhhh, the peaceful life in nature by the lake. I love the natural quiet where I can think and rest. The sounds of birds and the wind in the trees. Honey, what's that noise? Hear it? It's getting LOUDER! OH, THATS JUST MY NEIGHBOR WITH HIS LS BUSH PLANE WITH STRAIGHT EXHAUST. YOU'LL GET USED TO IT! HUH? I said, YOU'LL GET USED TO THE NOISE!! SORRY, I CANT HEAR YOU!! lol
It is noisy but the A20’s help. FYI the audio of engine was recorded separately so that is not coming over the headphone mics. Thanks for watching we will do a follow up video this summer
I'd go with a Pontiac 455 (aluminum block) for a few reasons: The block is the same size as a small block Chevrolet so weight is essentially the same; as such, you could make big horsepower/torque without having to rev the snot out of it. Use a cam that gets max torque at around 3200 rpm and you could run that thing forever and not worry about reliability.
Louder than it has to be - substandard! Regarding a C185 as crisp on the controls speaks for itself - no further comments possible. On the other hand the build quality seems to be very good and the colour is a seldom burgundy - nice😊
Cool looking rig and mean sound! Friend of mine has the moose with the Russian Turbine in it on floats as well. Do you notice it trying to "dig in" when you slack off power. Looks like you are aware of that in your taxi as you never let it just flat idle down from end of fast taxi> That becomes a nuisance as you always have to be on it and that is with two people on board as in video! Could be better with more weight behind center of gravity or plane too far forward c of g!. Good luck with it!
this is a great 10 minute flight thanks, the purrr of that v8 is fabulous i would flowmaster 50's on it after an expansion chamber. Of course that is too much extra weight not needed though. That is why i am going fusion energy on my designs. Multi technology, advanced, and rock solid.
I have a feeling LS swaps are gonna make general aviation more affordable. I mean, get you a shitty old junker of a plane, stick an LS and an upgraded prop on it, get an ECM that can self tune at those altitudes, and fill it full of pump gas. You're also not running full RPM in the ideal setup, there's a reduction gearbox between the engine and prop, so your service life should be way longer. All in all, maybe $100k to be all ready to go, vs. $150k for a brand new plane and however much you end up spending on overhauls from running at high RPM the whole time. For comparison, 4500 rpm (iirc what he said he cruises at) would be relatively close to what a car with a 2 speed would be running at interstate speeds. Maybe 500 rpm or so higher at the worst.
Actually, cost should be even less. You can get a 525 HP LS3 (the same one that's in the Corvette) straight from Chevrolet for around $12K, and the ECU, for a self tuning one, run about $1K. If you really wanna be safe, I'd also recommend a dry sump kit for around $5K. And don't even bother with a gear reduction drive, just slap that prop to the flywheel and send it! XD
@@lizzyobrien2376 idk about sending it, from what I've read the gear reduction is kinda the cherry on top of adapting automotive engines for both aero and marine applications. In both applications the factory engine remains at a constant high rpm to maintain forward propulsion. Car engines really don't like revving so close to red line for that amount of time and will wear out drastically quicker doing so. I'm thinking the best bet is getting the engine between 2500 and 4500 rpm, kinda like doing 80-90 on the highway depending on number of gears and ratios. The majority of that cost is also getting a plane with a bad engine, repairing any non-engine related issues, and going through registering it with the FAA while having a non-factory engine. IIRC you have to have any and all modifications to the airframe and power plant overseen, inspected and certified by an aviation mechanic.
@@lsswappedcessna Bigger planes like this probably using longer props where max prop rpm may be about 1500 rpm. An Ls engine turning 1500 rpm is not much above idle and is probably putting out 65 hp. There would be zero benefit to using a huge V8 running at idle speeds to make 65 hp. These engines make their power at redline, a gear reduction is absolutely necessary to put the engines full power at redline (5900 rpm) to turn the prop at its max rpm of 1500. For max efficiency with plane cruising at 70% power (4200rpm) puts you right in the meat of the torque plateau; a variable pitch prop will allow you to coarsen the pitch to absorb all 400 ft/lbs.
Thanks for the comment, video was not planned so we will do a follow up this summer showing the engine, in mean time check out Moose Mods www.moosemods.com/moose-ls3-performance-mods.html
That LS3 crate has the ASA cam. I had that swapped in my suburban. 226/236 duration with a 0.525/0.525 lift (very easy on the valve train) and a 110 LSA. Lots of mid range grunt for the power it makes up top but it really isn't great on fuel.
Those interested in the take-off distance I looked at the temp that day and it was 80 Fahrenheit, dewpoint 62 and slight right crosswind, and full fuel and 120 pounds in baggage. Chad and I were 565 pounds. 26 seconds and measured on GIS at 1900 feet. For what it's worth.
It ~seemed like you went about 3 miles and took off at 200mph.
At 525hp, I’m surprised it took that long to get off the water.
@user-jr9pb8rf8p And patey also owned his mistakes and admitted them
It did seem like the takeoff run was rather long.
That 525hp engine sounds like a. LS376/525
That idle sound is heavenly
The performance is dismal!
Very impressive! Long takeoff run though, was expecting it to jump off the water.
That thing sounds absolutely insane
Glad you like it!, He is working on a turbo so it will add 100hp we will do a follow up video
Who knew I could have all three of my favorite things together! Planes, V8s, and Water!
Calm water and the float tips were submarining at times. I would be going up a few float sizes to start. Combined with a long time to get up on-step and airborne. Check AOA. It might be challenging trying to achieve a safe power-off landing in it's current rigging. What is the W&B? It appears from the short clip, to have pretty sketchy margins. (nose heavy). Murphy’s have good STOL characteristics this plane does not. Be safe and get an A&P or an EAA - Build Assistance to have a look, please.
Bang on. Something not right.
Glad the RUclips comment section experts have arrived! Keeping everyone safe one comment at a time. Amazing how you are able to diagnose all these problems from a short 360 cam video. Good thing you're keeping everyone safe👍
Calm water increases suction on the floats
I have full scale aviation background & fly RC aircraft.. RC are much more sensitive to CG shifts..weight and balance can be seen immediately in hand or on balance stand & scales .. in the air we see & feel the results without mortal risk..one finds discernment of aircraft behavior is the primary focus as control is the same, but operation is MUCH simplified compared to full scale.
I fly electric STOL land & float planes, on the RC we usually have ONE water rudder that doesn't retract, now more planes have two, and reverse thrust allowed by speed controllers is common..
Seems like quite a plane..big 4 blade prop tells you how much torque that engine has!
What a sound!
Fly safe!
*I might have noticed elevator/power control touch concern..
*Full aft elevator required until on step is typical to assure prevention of noseover..coordination of backpressure is absolute minimum control required ..
Engine out float landing characteristics of this plane with its weight & feathering prop must inspire more confidence in the moment..retaining energy through roundout & flare🤔
You really can LS swap anything.
That beast sounds amazing! Just a brute! So "throaty" ... reminds me of an offroad race truck / meets float plane. You know it's good when it makes you laugh out loud on take off. That fuselage looks like it's built like a tank too. Impressive.... Thanks for sharing the video. I was fortunate to spend quite a bit of time in Beavers, Otters, and Cessna's in my early days, up in Ontario ...flying out of Knobby's in Sioux Lookout. I always said the best part of the fishing trips for me, was the ride in and out in the float plane.
Stayed on the water longer than I would expect.
That was my thought. Pretty long slide for 525HP and only two people. I bet it would do better with Aerocets.
@@mannypuerta5086 the wingspan is shorter on those than I’d think. 36’, I believe.
hell..look at that feller sittin in the back of the plane!!! lmao!!! hes gotta be everybit of 370-380 lol
A lot longer. Agreed
@@mannypuerta5086 The long takeoff run may have something to do with the smooth water. Smooth water can hold floats down.
That brutal sound! Love it
Glad you liked it! Have you heard the PT6 turbine moose? ruclips.net/video/yys-pnIQyro/видео.htmlsi=3nhRQup7i67z4QqD
Love the reversible prop. Incredible build.
I love it the way pilots (not just you) say "clear prop" milliseconds before cranking
Might as well shout "heads off."
That's a Funny statement, I have been flying in, and worked around commercial float planes, Beavers, 185, s and Turbo Beavers, and have never heard a commercial pilot, say "clear props" that's clearly a Rookie, Private pilot Thing 😂😂😂
@@chetmyers7041 🤣🤣🤣
Still Can't Beat the Sound of a Canadian Made 1946 Dehavilland Beaver 🦫
That is the beautiful sounding airplane engine I have ever heard.
We appreciate your comment and your finely tuned ears!
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I think the floats are a little off rig? Or weight and balance is off. Floats are diving.
I would love to dive into this hobby. Your plane looks like a hot rod for the sky. Really cool.
First Rule of Floatplanes: If there are boats afloat in the area, then be sure to stay touching the water while passing them (while touching the water) at, say, 140 kts.
It's important that they know that if there was a boat race, the floatplane would win by a 2:1 ratio of Top Speed on Water.
After this has been accomplished, then you can takeoff and enjoy the flight.
Who doesn’t love the sound of a ls
lol 😂 there are a few in the comments but they probably fly Prius powered airplanes😎
To all the people talking about how loud it is, Generally speaking people on the ground are going to hear the prop far more than the engine exhaust note during takeoff, climb out, and cruise flight. Good looking airplane.
That’s a very long take off roll for that amount of HP ? I’m off in half the time with less than half the hp
Couldn’t agree more, Bushliner does high quality work. Their Dynon & Avidyne panels are awesome!!
Top notch for sure, no half measures there! Thanks for watching and the comment
@@SchlenkAir anytime! Keep up the great content!
That plane sits heavy on those 4k floats. What a machine.
I could listen to that all day. That prop is cool....
“In a long enough timeline, everything gets an LS” -RCR
I lived up in Traverse City, Michigan for a few years and I forget what group it was but they had a bush plane fly in on west bay (lake Michigan). There were all the planes you would expect from Beavers. Otters, a few cubs, etc. The one that sticks in my mind was a guy that hated trying to pull up to his dock so he put a foot controlled fishing trolling motor in one of his floats.......lol
Never heard of this plane..looks big and useful
I love the old school Cessna shirt. Last time I saw that was when Doug Masters wore it while flying the Snake against Notcher in Iron Eagle. 😂. “Heh heh. Tough landing fly baby”?
Really liked the camera angle on take-off and landing. You could see well what was happening
Most interesting airplane seen in a very long time. Thanks
That engine sounds glorious!
The sheer SOUND of that engine, I'm in love
I used to puddle jump with a couple of friends. Back it the 80s out of Jack Brown's seaplane base in Ocala. 🥃👍
I'm not a big plane guy But You Definitely Have A 1 Off NICE JOB
Dave Sparks Needs 1
Heavy D definitely needs one but then again he can afford any toy he wants and he wants a lot of them 🤑
Sick sounding cam in that beast!!
This thing sounds amazing oh my god
Damn that chop on the ls is amazing. Sounds great.
What RPM is it sitting at at full power? What does the reliability look like, if you don't mind me asking?
This is the ultimate LS swap. It sounds amazing on take off can't wait to see him add boost and 200 wet shot to it for stol comps. But it's such a big plane and heavy for it's size class but I'm sure with a few mods and stuff he will have it bush ready. I like that it has reverse that's really nice for a water plane
Chad is currently building a SuperStol so subscribe to see that as we will be doing a video this summer. Thank you for commenting and watching
Needs a bigger prop to use that horsepower
I don’t know much about planes but that engine sounds tough as hell. Very cool! But if you ask me, the pontoons sure appear to sit low in the water in my opinion.
I've seen it all now. Bout time someone LS swapped a plane.
Been done a lot, actually. Extremely awsome!
The LS3 is a great, proven engine, on the ground at least. I just put one in a 1959 Corvette
That takeoff run was loooooong for that amount of power.
Ahhhh, the peaceful life in nature by the lake. I love the natural quiet where I can think and rest. The sounds of birds and the wind in the trees.
Honey, what's that noise? Hear it? It's getting LOUDER!
OH, THATS JUST MY NEIGHBOR WITH HIS LS BUSH PLANE WITH STRAIGHT EXHAUST. YOU'LL GET USED TO IT!
HUH?
I said, YOU'LL GET USED TO THE NOISE!!
SORRY, I CANT HEAR YOU!!
lol
That thing sounds awesome!
Noisy as hell, but I love a lot of it's features! That's very cool!
It is noisy but the A20’s help. FYI the audio of engine was recorded separately so that is not coming over the headphone mics. Thanks for watching we will do a follow up video this summer
@@SchlenkAir I look forward to it!
Wait an ls swapped plane? That's awesome
I have an Vans RV7A ls build. Im starting to post videos of it on my channel if you want to check it out.
Hands down best sounding plane I’ve ever heard
Thank you for the comment, I hope you subscribe much more to come! just uploaded a short of it landing over power wires
Dave you are a monster! Just like your airplane! Love it!
I'd go with a Pontiac 455 (aluminum block) for a few reasons: The block is the same size as a small block Chevrolet so weight is essentially the same; as such, you could make big horsepower/torque without having to rev the snot out of it. Use a cam that gets max torque at around 3200 rpm and you could run that thing forever and not worry about reliability.
Ls3 is a aluminum block
All those cubes and some good heads might even make more power while keeping that reliability. Solid engine idea, id have never thought of Pontiac
18 gallons an hour 😮
That thing's sounds like a stock race car! I was expecting flames to come out of that thing at one point.
Could it get off the water any slower? Something isn't right with this build.
@CleetusMcFarland. Right up your alley.
Louder than it has to be - substandard! Regarding a C185 as crisp on the controls speaks for itself - no further comments possible. On the other hand the build quality seems to be very good and the colour is a seldom burgundy - nice😊
That plane sounds like its about to run a new PB in the qtr mile
Needs headers coming through the engine cowl like a P-51
That would look really cool
Hell yeah brother!
Cleatus, is that you!! LOL
@@SchlenkAir lol Cleetus does love a good LS swap. And he is doing his seaplane training for the endorsement.
Sounds exactly like a bayou airboat. Probably can be heard from 5 miles away, just like a bayou airboat. Ope!
So many jealous complainers . I think it is a beauty. Great job! 👍🏻🇺🇸
Man that sounds wicked..!!!!
that thing sounds great.
You should invite @cleetusmcfarland to come fly that!
its so sick to hear that big ol v8
Bringing the music to a pond near u
Finally I could subscribe to the channel! Great first clip! What a spectacular machine!
Thank you very much!
Cool looking rig and mean sound! Friend of mine has the moose with the Russian Turbine in it on floats as well. Do you notice it trying to "dig in" when you slack off power. Looks like you are aware of that in your taxi as you never let it just flat idle down from end of fast taxi> That becomes a nuisance as you always have to be on it and that is with two people on board as in video! Could be better with more weight behind center of gravity or plane too far forward c of g!. Good luck with it!
Thanks for the comment, he did talk about adding a bit more weight in the baggage compartment.
Seems like every 180 series likes that little touch of power in the flare.
What does that thing have a 5000' takeoff run?
Certainly took a while to unstick. Maybe help if it had a higher lift wing (eg. Cub).
Cessna 185 on Edo straight floats appears to be quicker off the water. Anfib makes a difference.
My grandfathers last plane was a 185 on amphib
you can LS swap anything
What a beautiful sound
im all for loud things but maybe a small muffler would make longer flights more bearable
Nearly all headsets come with Active Noise Canceling
now that's a landing, very smooth bro.
this is a great 10 minute flight thanks, the purrr of that v8 is fabulous i would flowmaster 50's on it after an expansion chamber. Of course that is too much extra weight not needed though. That is why i am going fusion energy on my designs. Multi technology, advanced, and rock solid.
Thanks for the comment and watching please subscribe for the follow up video
You're so full of clay
Love that sound!
Thanks for watching and commenting! We will do a follow this summer showing more of the engine. Please subscribe!
Wooooh what a choice sounding airplane. Prob get over it pretty quick on a long trip tho.
Looks great Dave!
You look a little under floated considering it’s an empty airplane in this video.
I use to paint a bunch of experimental rv kits in Ohio. Sweet setup
What part? Id like to build and haven't found anyone building at the few airparks I hang at
I have a feeling LS swaps are gonna make general aviation more affordable. I mean, get you a shitty old junker of a plane, stick an LS and an upgraded prop on it, get an ECM that can self tune at those altitudes, and fill it full of pump gas. You're also not running full RPM in the ideal setup, there's a reduction gearbox between the engine and prop, so your service life should be way longer.
All in all, maybe $100k to be all ready to go, vs. $150k for a brand new plane and however much you end up spending on overhauls from running at high RPM the whole time. For comparison, 4500 rpm (iirc what he said he cruises at) would be relatively close to what a car with a 2 speed would be running at interstate speeds. Maybe 500 rpm or so higher at the worst.
Actually, cost should be even less. You can get a 525 HP LS3 (the same one that's in the Corvette) straight from Chevrolet for around $12K, and the ECU, for a self tuning one, run about $1K. If you really wanna be safe, I'd also recommend a dry sump kit for around $5K. And don't even bother with a gear reduction drive, just slap that prop to the flywheel and send it! XD
@@lizzyobrien2376 idk about sending it, from what I've read the gear reduction is kinda the cherry on top of adapting automotive engines for both aero and marine applications. In both applications the factory engine remains at a constant high rpm to maintain forward propulsion. Car engines really don't like revving so close to red line for that amount of time and will wear out drastically quicker doing so. I'm thinking the best bet is getting the engine between 2500 and 4500 rpm, kinda like doing 80-90 on the highway depending on number of gears and ratios. The majority of that cost is also getting a plane with a bad engine, repairing any non-engine related issues, and going through registering it with the FAA while having a non-factory engine. IIRC you have to have any and all modifications to the airframe and power plant overseen, inspected and certified by an aviation mechanic.
@@lsswappedcessna Bigger planes like this probably using longer props where max prop rpm may be about 1500 rpm. An Ls engine turning 1500 rpm is not much above idle and is probably putting out 65 hp. There would be zero benefit to using a huge V8 running at idle speeds to make 65 hp.
These engines make their power at redline, a gear reduction is absolutely necessary to put the engines full power at redline (5900 rpm) to turn the prop at its max rpm of 1500. For max efficiency with plane cruising at 70% power (4200rpm) puts you right in the meat of the torque plateau; a variable pitch prop will allow you to coarsen the pitch to absorb all 400 ft/lbs.
Sounds like a nice little 232/238 cam with a 114 LSA
I am waiting for him to shift gears
plane with a 2 speed is a idea i wanna see
Yeah, pretty cool
@cleetusmcfarland there’s your new plane 👌😝 LS swap the world 🙌
That actually makes a nice watercraft. I'd design one just for water.
would have been nice to have seen the engine and installation.
Thanks for the comment, video was not planned so we will do a follow up this summer showing the engine, in mean time check out Moose Mods www.moosemods.com/moose-ls3-performance-mods.html
I liked and woul love to see more of this stuff.🙏🏻😉
Thank you for the comment, we have much more planned and just ordered another 360 camera, stay tuned, please subscribe and share. Thanks again!!
Ill be posting more about my Vans RV7 LS1 build/ rebuild
Once I get my IA, I should really install a toolbox on my Old Town Kayak and just fix floatplanes on the lake all day... Imagine that!
Hell. Yeah. Brother!
That plane is legit
Hahaha When it fist started the sound of the car engine cracked me up. Sounded more like a dragster than an airplane. LOL
I subscribed just because your engine sounds sick!! Looking forward to some good content
Awesome, thanks for subscribing!!
That's amazing!
Sounds amazing. Flies gteat to!!
sickest setup ever
That engine sounds impressive. That said a 295 hp Helio Courier will definitely beat it off the water with similar payloads and bulk. Just saying.
My gosh, that's a beautiful aircraft...(!)
Sounds like it has a nice cam in it.
Yes, i know the cam is changed, thanks for the comment, consider subscribing, we will be doing a follow up this summer and get more into the engine
That LS3 crate has the ASA cam. I had that swapped in my suburban. 226/236 duration with a 0.525/0.525 lift (very easy on the valve train) and a 110 LSA. Lots of mid range grunt for the power it makes up top but it really isn't great on fuel.