Meet The TikToker Selling Human Bones Online
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2022
- If you've ever wanted to buy a human skull, good news: there are websites happy to sell you one. But where do the bones come from? VICE News' Dexter Thomas met with a TikToker who runs a business based on human remains.
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They should've mentioned how Princeton has been using the bones belonging to two young victims of the police bombing of MOVE & refuse to give them back to the families. Maybe more attention brought to that situation would help bring those girls to the final resting place they deserve.
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@@user-yz4lr4oy4d what?
This guys mentally broken. So are the people buying them
Wow no way? Thats horrible.
@@liveandloud9687 ruclips.net/video/daHwwPimoE8/видео.html @ 4:25 & now they claim to not know where they are.
It's kinda scary that someone can think they're donating their body to some university for students to learn but then it is sold and goes all around the country and ends up in some person's house as a showpiece.
So sad
I'm totally cool with that. It's just a shell. Plus, it would be kinda neat to be a treasured showpiece in someone's home. 🤷 I always have a hard time understanding why people get so weird about things like this.
@@josiewalker7012 Your cool with signing up ur body to be studied but ends up in a house for the owners to show their friends/family?
Why? You'll be dead. You won't care, I promise.
@@forpspeakingclass4444 they said they are. They said they’d be cool having someone treasure their vessel in whatevr way. They didn’t say they were doing bad things to it. I’m sure a home with people desecrating the vessel would be much different but half the science programs you promise it to wouldn’t be the kindest with it I’m sure anyway either.
This actually kinda made me more a little willing to switch to donating.
The way he wears his clothes looks exactly like what a character from a game who has interest in bones looks like
He could indeed use some new bones to replace the ones he has currently.
Rolled up jacket sleeves should be a crime
looks like richard ramirez with better teeth
@@uesikon THAT'S who he reminds me of. That was bugging me, thanks.
Bros whole Aura is straight 🌽
“Everyone’s gotta pay rent” He can’t get behind burying them with respect, because he already views it as a commodity. Sad.
The crazy thing is when I was in anatomy class, the professor said all the figures were actual bones because they were cheaper than the replicas at that point. In the movie Poltergeist, those are real bones, the director said the same thing. Bones from India were cheaper than buying a replica.
My question as far as legality, it seems that possessing any type of bone is legal, but what about an eyeball? A heart, a lung? A man in PA was just arrested for this because he collected and sold human remains on FB marketplace. So my question is, where does the law begin and end on this?
Right, its confusing because there's these other guy with tattoo's on his face and eyeball, who's prosecuted for the same reason. The law and legal system in US is confusing at time.
That is an out-of-context response. The two men spoke on respect etc., way before they even discussed the business aspect of it. Do you also forget his questions about what to do with the remains? If you say "nothing," then they will eventually get destroyed or buried naturally or through the modernization of society due to things like construction. Any answer more than "nothing" leads to conflict and or destruction of these remains. Do you think museums obtained their artifacts ethically?
No. But yet, we still enjoy them because of the human connection, and it gives up an academic look at the past. And yes, his company should make some money from his logistical service. But do you also vet all of the items you use daily? Because many of them have been tied to unethical practices and atrocities. Because unfortunately, we live in a society where you have to make money to access ANY of society's resources, from essential companionship to healthcare.
My daughter just had her wisdom teeth out yesterday and she is a funeral directress with a dark sense of humor and decor sense. She asked if she could keep her own teeth and they would not allow it. I thought that was kinda absurd considering they are hers in the first place.
You're just like the guy in the interview. You can make haughty statements but you have no solution and will do nothing about it. Stay mad.
@@Adogtard bingo.
"But here at Johns bones"
He knows He is the only person that works there 🤣
😂
I might be giving him too much credit, but it could be a riff off the “Have you seen the bones of John?” song I saw in a Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark.
HE KEPT SAYING “WE”. LIKE DUDE ITS JUST YOU
@@alexandriawagner6665 actually, it isn’t. I’ve seen multiple videos that covers this guy and he legitimately has a whole team working on it! When I heard about this originally at least a year ago, he had 4-5 other people working for him. I think they have just wanted to distance themselves publicly due to the backlash
People really have no idea how businesses work, hey? He can obviously afford to have a lil team
When someone donates something, that item shouldn't end up in a for-profit business end of story. The person never donated their remains to be put in a 22yo tiktoker's apartment as a means for making him money
Precisely…at the end when he said, “I have to pay rent somehow” I was stunned at the ignorance. We are so desensitized to certain things. So sad truky
It's not his fault descendants of bone owners don't know what to do with what they inherited
Apartments haunted with piss off ghosts.
“👻 this is bullshit, I wanted my body to go to the university for science, I said so on my death bed”
Now I’m here watching this Brooklyn Burke Toss off & drink crap craft beer.
Wait what about goodwill - I -
FACTS
Your born
You go to school
You go to college
You find your dream job
You fall in love
You get married
You have kids
You retire and enjoy your later years
You get to see your grandkids
You die
YOU END UP ON THE WALL OF A 22 YEAR OLDS APARTMENT BEING PROMOTED ON TIKTOK
I'd argue that "you" is not what skeleton remains of you is left.
You definitely will. 😅
"The circle of liiiiiiife" 🎶
Lol when I die I literally wouldn't care whatever happens to my corps nor name
Alright, sign me up. I'm good with this end.
He kinda sidestepped the obvious that most people who want real bones are only interested in the fact they're real. As an anatomy student I would rather have fake bones then the worry about taking them home to study would be gone.
Yes. I want a grown man’s skull in my living room. I want to think of the things that were seen, said, heard, and smelled, by the man.
Dude said “ I don’t believe in hoarding “.
Camera man “ pointing to the entire collections “ 😂
Yea it’s not really hoarding when it’s a business
I think he meant there is a difference between stock and hoarding.
Eh, when I'm dead, I won't have any use for my bones anyway. It is not like my bones constitute what I am as a living person. After I die, there is just the memories of me until they also fade into oblivion.
This 👌🏽
Even if you donate your body to science it is entirely possible that your body will end up being sold to some shady company or somewhere else. A man donated his body to a local hospital and it ended up in a weapons test of the us military i.e. sold by the hospital. So the person in the video is doing exactly the same as "ethical" companies that take donations.
I actually officially donated my body to science on my death a number of years back but have since changed my mind due to stories such as this. Far too many grey areas ripe for being exploited.
Some guy was put up in a public show where his body was cut into by rich guys who paid for that "experience".
@@sahilnagpalx not sure why they d purchase a dead human? They do this to the living " for fun".
@@steph7960 I’m sitting here thinking “does this dude have my great aunt Evelyn?” ☠️
@@sahilnagpalx what show was this
Its gross to think my loved ones and my own bones will possibly end up being sold on this market because we marked ourselves as organ donors. I also read a story about a woman's remains being sold to a military company to test a rocket on...gross
I actually wrote my college thesis on this very subject. I entitled it " Fighting for the humanity in classroom bones: history of anatomical specimens"
This is a huge problem in universities and museums. Not even to mention private collectors. These bones were collected from essentially graves of poor people. Usually people of color and immigrants. In fact, there are records of slave owners selling the bodies of their slaves after they passed to medical schools. Not even to mention all of the human remains that were stolen from native American grave sites and taken as wardrophies during the genocide of native peoples in the United States.
It deeply disturbs me that we can sell human bodies that were not freely given by the people who once occupied them.
By still capitalizing on these people's bodies, It's perpetuating, the racist and horribly unjust system that allowed them to be taken in the first place.
I would love to read your college thesis
if they were slaves its acceptable to sell their remains, the only immoral source would be graverobbing but since you cant discern source you must accept they are all ethical. you have no reasonable claim for example, that anything shown in the video was "unethical"
also there was no systematic "genocide of native peoples" this is not australia. read more history.
@@Aaron565 Certainly read more history: Achulet, Acoma, Acteal, Battle Creek, Bridge Gulch etc etc....seems pretty systematic to me. And do you seriously believe that it is acceptable to buy and sell the bones of slaves? Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you?
Yes, well said. There is no way a sane human, with some financial resources, would willingly part ways with human bones of someone they love.
@@Aaron565 "if they were slaves it's acceptable to sell their remains..."🤨
Pray tell, on what premise might that be? The immoral one that the slaves were property prior to their demise? I guess if you had no respect for them when they were alive there'd be no need for dignity afterwards, huh?🤔 When one donates their body to medical science it's assumed that the remains will be treated with respect and dignity. Not distributed for profit on some morbid market.
""...also there was no systematic "genocide of native people's" this isn't Australia"". You most assuredly aren't making that statement from a US point of view. Because they unwittingly committed genocide wiping out a third of the indigenous population by introducing them to European diseases like chicken pox and measles. But then they would go on to "systematically" drive them out of they hunting grounds to the most inhospitable land on the continent, and in the process decimate another third. The man who committed the most henious of these acts was Andrew Jackson.
So who just took you to history class?🧐
The progression from animal to human is like a serial killer
😆 I caught that too lol
omg
Dahmer-esque for sure.
Very jeffrey dahmer
it's not your'e being weird.He wants to teach people anatomy.
I hope my Bones won't be sold to pay someone's Electricity Bills.
Why? That’s just a layover til you end up in someone’s office on a wall. I’d rather them than end up getting chewed
On by an animal. Not like he’s getting rich off it, I’d argue he treats his inventory with respect & pride
who cares youll be dead
@@liagenzy being chewed by animals or rotting in the earth is not that bad, lol. I’ve always viewed it as beautiful, it’s the circle of life; giving back to the Earth. Dust to dust.
@@liagenzy i think bones have a higher chance of being chewed on by an animal when above ground..... you could argue about respect if he gave a flying f who those bones came from.
Probably will tbh
Dudes acting like he's trying to get by but he clearly has money. Said he had half a mil minimum sitting in that room and then says he's gotta pay the rent hahaha
This seems sketchy AF. I sure as hell wouldn’t want MY remains in some person’s apartment and being sold to someone else I don’t know. Seems violating 🤔😬
If i donate my body for science, I would rather be cremated than end up in a collectors house.
You probably will be after they are finished with your body.
He literally said this was his way of paying rent lmao.
So what? It's legal... its not like selling drugs to addicts.
@@mth4849 youre right selling drugs to addicts is more ethical
@@mth4849 People really be believing they're so important after dead, lol. Just sell my bones! Pay that roof, man! Buy yourself a nice house! Hell, I already lived my life, no need to be so pressed about bones when you're dead.
@@mth4849 just because something is legal doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.
exactly. blew himself to pieces with that comment.
He’s unethically acquiring human bones and then sells them
10000%
Yes stolen native bones
Haha just wait til you learn what planned parenthood does to their fetuses
@@shadownorthsurvivalit's completely illegal to own native remains, and the guy in the video has actually made a point of explaining that in his own content
I thought this was illegal. I remember watching a show on Netflix YEARS ago about an oddities shop.. and anything with actual human remains they weren’t legally allowed to buy or sell. Idk if there’s ways around that or if the laws have changed… or if bones are a different story but.. I always thought it was illegal.
Generally not illegal. Some states like Louisiana and Georgia have laws, but mostly not.
3:35
I’ve never heard someone so excited to say “here is my spine wall. It’s my wall. Of spines”
Sub-zero approves.
With all do respect...this TikToker has a very immature perspective on this topic... Looking at and knowing the history alone, makes my skin scrawl just seeing his apartment. I loved that y'all interviewed the Professor.. some great facts and incite. Loved his perspective.
Crawl*** 🤣😂 (I swear I’m literate 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣)
I am totally cool with what Jon is doing as a business.
Why does it matter? They're dead. I don't gaf what happens to my body after I'm dead.... because I'll be dead. lol
I get it, we need to be able to study anatomy but, it should only be able to come from people who donate The Remains, Not from some person who selling some someone they don't even know about.
Skeletons don’t really change, theirs no need for a real skull unless it’s for carbon dating & dna comparisons. Any class room can suffice with a replica.
Diseased & fractured bones can easily be mocked up, there’s no reason for this anymore after over 300 years of study.
@@TheWobblyQueen there are still plenty of reasons to study actual bones as we do not know everything about the human body. An example is the study of cancers that originate in the bones such as myelomaand leukemia and the drugs that treat it cannot be studied in plastic bones. The majority of people however don't need real bones and there are plenty of high quality replicas that are perfect for most classroom applications or just sticking on your shelf if that's what your into.
@@RolleiPollei very true. I work with human cadavers in school and the education we get is incomparable to only being able to use plastic replicas. I believe that anyone in or who has been through any type of medical school would agree. However, the bodies were ethically obtained from people who wished to donate their bodies to science and we are very respectful and even hold ceremonies when we are done with the bodies to thank them for their contribution. We also work with and study human bones and specimens which were collected from these cadavers normally when they have some type of abnormality that the teachers feels would be beneficial for other students and classes to study. When dealing with human remains it is so important for these things to be done in the most ethical and respectful way possible. It is a very misinformed statement the person you were responding to made that bones don't change and there is not need for actual human remains to be studied
@@shantellee3308 back as an undergrad I used to help prepare slides for a histology lab which would include human bones and other tissues. These days I work in paleontology studying plant fossils so these kind of ethical issues aren't a problem. I wish you luck in medical school if that's what your in. I'm glad I decided not to apply because I would have been a terrible doctor. Plants are more my speed these days.
Grave robber
Maybe I interpreted this wrong but dude came off a tad rude and judgemental when he kept repeating that he wouldn't be involved over and over. I bet he wouldn't be as rude to a funeral director, and those guys profit tremendously from handing human remains. Some of whom are totally exploiting families who have no choice but pay the thousands of dollars it costs for a simple service and burial/cremation.
Thanks for typing out something very similar to what I was thinking about after watching :)
Plot twist: He was actually disgusted by the fact that this guy is a tiktokker, it had nothing to do with the skeleton hoard
If the journalist really meant what he was saying, why is he making this story and publishing it to youtube? Bones for clicks! He _is_ involved in the bone trade.
I get what you mean but even a funeral director is providing a service to the family and loved ones of the deceased. Essentially stopping the decomposition long enough to present the body. They embalm the body and dress them up to look presentable and lovely for their last viewing with their families. Although yes they do make a ridiculously large amount of money but at least it's one last service for a loved one. I admire this man has a passion for real bones but him answering about having to make rent makes him look entirely diffrent.
A few of the Vice journalists are pretty terrible at being impartial during their interviews....which is the whole point of their jobs as journalists.
Vice : Where does the bodies come from?
JonBones : its usually inherited by the people...and body donated for medical educations and scientific research
Me : Erm....They come from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, philipines and etc...
Falun Gong practitioners from China.
Well, yes, so....seriously, if you got them all together and shipped them off, I believe the Philippines is one of those countries where burial plots are only leased...then who pays the rent on that?
@@karenishness1 Falun Gong? What is that, i need to research about this
@@insanicmironic it's a cult the Chinese government really hates, for obscure reasons. Woo-woo meditation stuff, mostly. But the regime hates and fears it like the Bug.
With about 3 steps and several decades in between. Where most records have long since gone to ashes. How's your research skills? Good luck.
As a paleontologist, this makes my skin crawl. There is no way to profit off of the bone trade ethically.
I took an osteology class when I was in college back in 2010 . We studied actual human bones that had been donated.
Some people have skeletons in their closet. Other people have skeletons in every room of their house. Those people are probably on an FBI watch list.
They probably want to know the company so they can get some too.
The FBI is an organization who would have a perfectly good reason to own human remains.
My dad wanted to be a classroom skeleton and was told no.
😂
Creepy AF, serial killer vibes
I would love to end up on someone's mantel, just chilling there- continuing to be a part of someone's life.
I'm fine with my body going to science and whatnot but I'm not ok with my bones winding up like this. Once it's done with the purpose it was used for, put me in the ground or something, at least have that respect for my body. A lot of bodies that wind up being traded like this are sadly not legitimate. Hell, I'm almost inspired to start a non-profit that buys whatever bones I can just to put them to rest.
What should happen currently is that any bones which provenance can't be 100% given as legal should be surrendered and put to rest because there's just too many remains out there which were disturbed from their rest. Though I'm not a religious person, I still feel people should be respected. After we do a full wipe across the sector, we can start again, hell it's a good thing because the prices will skyrocket and that's a good thing.
You're imposing your own beliefs on other people's remains who chose to donate their bodies and are long dead either way. What's the difference from human remains in museums?
@@Captain__Obvious Did you actually watch the video? Many of the remains come from people who didn't choice at all. And even the ones who have choosen to donate their body, they donated it to science to help humanity move forward and not to private collecters to show them on tiktok and sell them for profit .
Burying a body is extremely bad for pollution. From the embalming chemicals in the body to the chemicals in the morgue. The amount of toxic chemicals is exorbitant for just one body. Not to mention the waste of land for a cemetery.
We need to be more environmentally conscious.
I never have understood what makes a person think they’re so important after death.
Don't start a business to buy and bury the bones. It will only increase the profits of the people selling them to you and will make them increase their bone obtaining operations even more.
There's countless other examples where this has lead to the same effect, from people buying and destroying drugs, illegal plants or ivory.
The only way to decrease the amount of buyers by educating the public and political bans.
@@TheTonialadd well that’s based on the assumption that bodies are embalmed. In Britain almost nobody is embalmed, so no toxic chemicals in cemeteries
Hey JonsBones has no way of knowing whether or not they are working with indigenous or graverobbed bones. They generally do not have the paperwork for their bones and Jon is not actually an osteologist or anthropologist and is not licensed to be doing this work. Most of the bones in the shop have unknown origins. Please do not shop from him and seek out actual professionals who do the work to seek out the information on where the bones actually came from.
The bones are there already and you would instead tell people to go to someone selling newly sourced bones, because that's somehow more ethical in your mind. The people being sourced from today are the same as the ones from the past, the poor, the indigenous, the people nobody cares about. What makes you think your professional is anything other than a person sourcing from wherever they can get them cheap, and simply creating a document saying otherwise?
This was my first thought! He says in the beginning "Oh we don't work with tribal or graverobbed skulls" and I was like how the hell would he know that?! Show me all the exhaustive research he did. Lies. It's literally creating a market and incentive for people who stumble across native burial sites to dig them up, clean them off, and "inherit them from their grandfather". And even if that's not the case for "most" of his bones, the point in my mind is they were never provided with forethought, intent, consent, or compensation. Frankly, as far as I'm concerned they were all grave robbed. And people saying we need it for medical studies are idiots, we don't.
Ummm...one hundred year old bones?...Even the professionals cannot vouch for the origins of them.
It doesn't matter. They're dead. They don't care anymore either.
This bloke has travelled forward in time from the 80s to sell bones.
Dude seems creepy
Yep
And you seems dummy
There's a misconception that systems where people get to donate their bodies to science avoid these hurdles altogether. These systems were mostly born in the XXth century because those that ended up under the knife before that were mostly the poor and the indigent, forced to sell their bodies, or claimed because there was no one else to claim their bodies and afford a burial. But in truth, body donation schemes were largely abused by coroners and the medical establishment, which blurred the lines of informed consent and kept the bodies for longer than the law intended, leading to several scandals. If you have the stomach for it, I do recommend the books by historian Elizabeth Hurren on how the UK tangled with that delicate question in the XIXth and XXth centuries. "Dying for Victorian medicine" in particular is tragic but very informative.
And not to forget the Falun Gong practitioners.
@@karenishness1 I will admit to knowing next to nothing about that, could you elaborate, please?
@@Naedrelian The Falun Gong were yoga practitioners in China. Vegans too. Beautiful bodies and sweet souls. Chinese Govt decided they were practicing religion without a license and literally Shanghaied them. Arrested them to a prison underneath a hospital in Shanghai and sold their body parts (mostly hearts, livers, organs) to businessmen that drank themselves out of livers etc etc. Kind of like the movie: Coma with Michael Douglas. So they just stay locked up until someone with the right tissue match needs one of their body parts. Lots and lots of videos on this. Even worse the Chinese staged a worldwide "Body Exhibit" by taking some of these peaceful innocent people and injecting colored plastic into their veins to act as exhibits about medicine. Most thought the patient died first. Lethal injections. That's what the human rights violations being spoken of about ten years ago were. I think they may have run out of Falun Gong and are doing it to Uighurs now.
Hm. Upon doing a little research, it does seem like they were unfairly used in the organ trade, which is sadly common in emerging economies and medical tourism destinations. Unfortunately, the progress of medicine creates new opportunities to oppress and market the human body.
@Jay Allen Not hard, just not how I was taught to write them. Different cultures have different habits in that regard.
There is nothing educational about it. Has to be illegal. And it’s creepy someone’s grandma is there being sold
If his building had a fire, the investigators would think they stumbled across the world's most prolific serial killer! 🙀
Fascinating episode as always, Vice!😻
They wouldn’t know which one was him 😂😂
He already looks eerily like Richard Ramirez (the Night Stalker) 😳
Oh my! 😹 You're right! 😹
@@petschitt2252 I could not stop paying attention to that similarity throughout the whole video 😅
Before my granny passed, she had told me not to waste my gas money going to the cemetery to visit her bones. Her soul is awaiting Jesus.
Who cares what is left behind. How fun! I would love for my skull to travel the world seeing that my living self never has!
😉
Call yourself Falun Gong and it will happen quicker than you expected.
When drug dealers and thieves make the excuse "I gotta pay rent somehow" to justify the shadiness...
Jon bones jones?
Hahaha funny
My first thought 😅😅😅
Ethical, unethical...There is the catacombs in Paris, the infamous houses of the dead in London, England during the Black Plague, the Churches in Portugal literally floor to ceiling human remains as cemetery plots were just rental basis. In some countries cemetery plots are still just rentals!! really have to consider that these individuals may have been sold to medical industries by their family members to help with household income in India, China at the time. Also consider that dealing with the indigent and poverty stricken dead was often dealt with by sales of the remains or just giving them away! The ideal of the way to treat humans alive or otherwise is at best, still, an ethical debate as there are numerous countries that don't consider mishandling of these remains a huge deal! Humans are not respected once dead in some countries. Back around one hundred years ago, consider that we had LEGAL child labour and did not have humane treatment for children or women (being considered property of their male family members at the time). Remember the Humane Society was established for the humane treatment of children and animals!!
Deep down he knows he is not doing the right thing, he is just convincing himself he is doing something good.
Deep down he knows the moral argument is hogwash because they're dead and dead people can't care about their remains.
“I don’t believe in hoarding”
Didn’t stay a second after that lmfao
Hoarders collect things because they're psychologically unable to get rid of things they posses. This guy has no problem selling his collection so he's not a hoarder. He's an online seller who stores his goods in a small apartment until they're sold.
Why is he upset that people bury the bones cos they don't know what to do with it?? I'm mind blown
You dont need your body when your gone, i rather have someone appreciate my bones than rot in dark damp grave. So what if people earn a bit of money of my bones, helping even after death. I also want to add that i think much more people should consider being organ donors, why waste your body when you can save many lifes?
agreed
The problem is ppl want their bones to go to SCIENCE, and get their finalerequest isnt fufillef
"Gotta pay rent!" is the worst possible response he could've given here. What a sleazy guy.
I know anybody in any industry like any can say that.. Pimp..gotta pay rent!
Lol, give it a rest, this is LITERALY his business, so...yeah, gotta pay rent! All legit business owners do. So do drug dealers, and black market hockers, and...but we don't see them as bad just illegal.
Looks like the Predator’s Closet with all those spines😂
He should make a spine guitar! Metal AF!
When Jon dies I want his skeleton displayed in my home for educational purposes
I don’t think that’d bother him tho
Pretty sure he'd be ok with it, it's not the "gotcha" that you think it is.
I'm surprised people feel so strongly about this! I don't care what happens to my bones after I die. We are born from dust and will become dust.
These poor individuals are not returning to the earth though,they're becoming this deluded individuals paycheck!🤔😒, it's wrong on so many levels!🤔✌
@@jamiecurran3544 Idk, I won't be around, what does it matter if someone makes a buck off my bones? I'm sure a lot of these people are disenfranchised and poor, I'd rather they get a thousand off my bones after I'm gone than not.
Depends how you view it, like bones are fine but not muscle & tissue. Personally being in Europe there are the Paris catacombs, the ossuaries, plague pits, where bones have been removed & reburied, so used to the idea & of that. But actual fresh cadavers, like I’ve been cold a day, have at it,,,,,,
No thanks. Organ donation fine, I’m just a bag of flesh,,, but don’t be using me like a flesh light, or string me up in an apartment.
Agree completely
@@jamiecurran3544 I'll amend my statement for clarity: we are born from stardust and will become stardust. I mean that money/time/earth are irrelevant. ✌
Well good luck finding the original person, location and family that these bones belonged to. All of those who are concerned about the ethical aspect are you going to take the time, money and resources to find who the bones belonged to and what their wishes were before they died? Yeah I didn't think so. He's getting them from people who want nothing to do with bones that their doctor grandpa passed down.
They should just all be buried somewhere peaceful n nice not profiteered from by this dude!🤔✌
Ok and their doctor grandpa got them from someone who got them from someone who STOLE a person’s remains. The ends do not justify the means in this scenario. No one’s asking him to find their family, just maybe don’t be a part of that process at all. This reminds me of that Israeli dude who said “if I don’t steal your house someone else will.” Just because the specimens are out there doesnt mean they should be profited off of.
If you don’t believe in afterlife and these are so old that the descendants can’t be bothered, where’s the problem? If you do believe in an afterlife, most belief systems suggest that after you die you would become the type of ¿ person/spirit/being? that would be happy to help humankind. Of course I plan to donate my body to science.
wonder if the could use DNA of the bones and go to Ancestry
@@nocheapdopamine725 I completely agree with your comment n if I didn't then maybe somebody else would!😁lol😜✌
You nailed it Dexter.
Maybe I’m just stupid, but why is it such a mystery as to what to do with them? Like, what’s wrong with just giving them a burial? I must be missing something.
I hope my body can go towards something like this. Even if I had a limb removed I'd like to keep it and sell it to someone who would appreciate it. lol I hope my friends and family can get some $$ for my bones to offset the cost of death in the US.
What's cost of death?!
@@Medicoboi bro made it sound like a debit charge
Right, friends and family. But not a stranger tiktok brat
The journalist says he wouldn't want to be involved but he is involved by making the video. And he's profiting off of the skeleton trade by making the video.
This seems like you are willfully misunderstanding the context of the question - he was asked what he would do with the bones if he was theoretically in Jon’s shoes, and he responded that in this scenario he wouldn’t want to be involved in the human bones trade. He never said he makes no money off of reporting on a range of issues he covers for his job.
@@thegoogs It seems you are willfully ignoring my point.
@@thegoogs Interviewer: “I wouldn’t wanna profit off of skeleton trade, oh heavens no!” *Proceeds to make monetised documentary about skeleton trade”
I made comments here on a positive note about the business this man is in10 months ago. I stand by all of my comments to this day. It costs a lot of money to inter bones, burial ain't free and family cannot always or even mostly be relied on for seeing to your remains once you are gone!! These bones have a use and this man simply meets that use.
This reminds me, what ever happen to that horror show in Arizona for “donated body parts”. Anyone who’s thinks this is insane and already question this industry. I highly suggest looking up this story.
I'm going to stick with my plastic skull.. 😅
A person’s belongings including their bones should be respected and treated in the way that person wanted. No consent given means they should just bury them. What he’s doing is wrong imo
Until what point? Does this include bones that are thousands of years old ?
@@collinis1 it's a morality issue.
@@fishcakeman803 that doesn’t answer my question
That would mean all the museums and places that show ancient bones are all doing it wrong.
If it's for science and medicine then it's good.
Bones are cool
""Pieces end up in the trash." LOL. What pieces are we talking about here? Human pieces?
In my country it is illegal to privately posess any kind of human remains wich were taken from dead bodies. The only exceptions are for historical artefacts, teaching and research, in these cases certain certified institutions are allowed to acquire and keep / collect them.
If a person wants to donate their body for educating medical personal or medical research, it is not allowed for them or their relatives to have any kind of financial gain from this descision.
All donated bodies have to get cremated and afterwards buried at a cemetery within maximum two years.
If a person is not donating their body, they have to get either buried or cremated within 7 days after the death. Nobody is allowed to keep any cremation ashes, they have to get buried at a cemetery aswell.
Lately there has been a lot of political pressure on museums and universities to return colonial human artefacts to their places of origin and allow them to get buried in dignity. Private collections are highly illegal.
In my whole life - besides from collections in museums and holy relics at churches - I've seen human bones only twice. First my former school had a skeleton for educational purposes in their collection, it had been there since the mid 1800's. And the second time during a archaeological dig at my local church, where they examined some medieval graves.
We humans are funny. I think we are too attached to our loved ones dead bodies/bones, however, that’s only my opinion.
But in my country during the first year of med school a lot of students buy real bone set. So I think this should continue
nothing changes if the bone is made of plastic or something right?
I’m not concerned, those bones are literally that.
The moment he said half a million dollars, people are going to find him and steal the bones lol
I'm pretty sure the people that the bones belonged to no longer have any feelings about where their skeletons are, seeing as they are dead. Burials, wakes, cremations, and whatever other death rituals humans have are for the living to process their grief and give THEM closure. They are not for the dead because the dead don't need closure - they already have it, whatever it is. What the guy said at the end to the interviewer is right, he is at least making use of what's already there and he isn't disrespectful about it. The interviewer is acting like he's morally superior, but offers no solution other than to just ignore the problem that already exists. Is leaving them in a warehouse doing nothing until they turn to dust any better or worse than selling them and using them for education? This guy is doing this to support himself through life - so what? He's alive, these people are dead, and whether they were procured unethically or who they were is never going to be traced because no one is going to spend the exorbitant amount of money on DNA testing and tracing to do it. It's not like he's removing the skeletons from crime scenes or mass graves. They are where they are, the evidence of how they got there is long gone or too expensive to try and uncover, and he's at least doing something productive and supporting himself. He's not harming anyone.
I came here to say exactly this. Only living humans are putting the importance on body parts that are no longer in use.
Naive of the journalist to say he didn’t want anything to do with it when I’m sure be benefits from it’s medical/ dental explorations in their beginnings. ie, Chiropractors, dentists, hip/ knee replacements etc etc etc …..
You don’t need peoples remains for that we have technology and replicas of the human skeleton system, how would you feel if somebody from your family was donated to science and dissection without permission or consent from the family or person itself just to be sold and hung up on somebody’s wall like a trophy it’s fucking weird ,, don’t get me wrong it’s cool but have some respect for human remains that was once a person and belongs to somebody and it should be buried or incinerated / ashes and disposed of properly , you like skeletons so much pay a couple hundred bucks for replica skeletons made from substances that will take forever to diminish
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@@alexx_windycitychi558 I agree, I did saw in the beginnings
@@janinewetzler5037 yes tragically true. I did state , in the beginning. I meant from time immemorial . I apologize if I offended you.
"buried because people don't know what to do with them." They know exactly what to do with them.
reporter got schooled at the end
It is stigmatized, if he is really helping ppl with remains that they don't know what to do with. I think that's a respectable cause.
And it's not hoarding, it would technically be inventory... Because that's his business.
I do agree that clearly back in the 1920s there was a ton of grave robbing, and a lot of those old companies probably did procure them through unethical means.
I feel like "Ask a Mortician" dose a much better job broaching these types of subjects.
I thought the reporter was kinda passive aggressive at the end. Like I get he doesn't want anything to do with selling bones. But it's off-putting when the reporter is judgemental. 🤔 Soured the interview for sure.
This kid has been buying bones for some 5-10 years (given his age) and now thinks he is the british museum: woe me, what can i possibly do but continue to make a profit on grave-robbery.
I agree. The "I don't want anything to do with it" and the "I don't think people should be profiting off of this" statements were not what I want to hear from an interviewer. Bc in all honesty, there businesses/jobs like funeral homes or morticians or coroners that "profit" from people dying as well. Is he expecting this to be free? The man is helping to solve a problem and educating people in the process, if it pays his way, so be it.
To add: Ask A Mortician is completely different, because i feel like she always tries to be respectfull of the person who those remains belonged to
the only thing i think that is super sketchy about his practice is that anyone can send him bones. its just a google forum on his website..
@@ciennabohmer9767 that is super sketch. Well there definitely needs to be better laws in place about human remains. Seems like there is a bunch of gray areas.
But at the same time, for families that want to do more personal burials than traditional funerals. Need to be kept in mind too, that is if more laws are put in place about human remains.
The audacity. The disrespect.
I told my children long ago, when I die... sell my skeleton on tik tok
The interviewer says, I don't want to be involved, so...yeah, pass the buck. Jon's not doing that, he is in a legal business and has a good ethical stance on this and IS wanting to be involved to 'deal' with these pieces.
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Yeah the interviewer had the typical attitude that shows he's not really interested in giving an answer or in any way having a dialogue, he just wanted to keep the moral high ground.
What's the point trying to nail someone to the cross then they ask you a question explaining how it's not that simple and you simply say "I WOULDN'T BE INVOLVED" but if you were and if you wanted a solution what would you do "I WOULDN'T BE INVOLVED"
It's so smarmy and stupid.
Why not go to all the biggest arms manufacturers in the world and shame them? Why not go an shame the people developing bioweapons? Why not shame the people running ICBM stations?
When they explain to you the necessity of their work just arrogantly say "I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE INVOLVED"
All the kid is doing is clearly trying to look after history and curate exhibits people will want to see, it's a fact of life. There's many worse things someone can do.
So Vice journalist draws the line at profiting off the remains trade/ education but is anything in the world genuinely non-profit? Resources come from somewhere and someone gets compensated eventually. Maintaining a stable environment alone for those bones probably requires cost and upkeep.
Journalism provides an incredible service of sharing information and perspectives, but should it interject opinions, not hypotheticals that skew how we view a story objectively and profit?
Where does he think the people got those skeletons from that were “inherited” many of those doctors stole native bones to “study”
"i dont live in a chateau with lamborghuinis" no but was happy to say his collection is worth 500k-600k...
when they say that like other people on you tube buying stuff at Walmart or somewhere then re=-soling it they just have a potential profit of 500k to 600k not actual profit until it is sold
@@altha-rf1et and it could be 800k of potential profit once it's sold... the point of the journalist was asking if he was making a living off abused people's bones... and his answer says he don't care... "You know I've got to make a living and eat, I don't have a chateau or lambos"
I'm sure slavers would say the same... "You know I've got to pay the bills" were they right in taking advantage of other people for their own benefit? Because they only had a potential profit of 500-600k not actual profit?
This dude just got arrested near me and near where he was in Pa that was in possession of human bones and brains and different body parts it was pretty crazy!
Have you got a local newspaper or anything talking about it because I can't find it online and it'd be interesting to read.
I'm surprised that he hasn't had someone in power who's feathers he's ruffled come after him.
@@pistol0grip0pump the guy is lieing
@@Joe-sg9ll are you being ironic?
I'm looking forward to the Netflix docuseries about this soon to be serial killer next year . fs
Falun Gong already..
I am quite worried on how haunted this place might be though 😳😨😱
I don’t know who I’m more worried about , the people selling these things or the people BUYING them lol
Oh for Pete's sake. They're just BONES. They aren't a part of your decaying matter (which I suppose there's an argument about how that goes on to live in other organic matter). I look at this the same way I look at vintage fur. Should we make new fur clothes? Prob not. Just as we likely shouldn't continue to get new bones, at least without documented consent. But what's the harm in using what's already out there? And who cares if the man uses it to pay his bills? Good for him.
So, to all the negative nellies here in the remarks, I'm sure you have no problem going into an Indian museum and looking at the skeletons that have been dug up and on display of famous Indians, or not, from hundreds of years ago
They should complain about mummies as well. While we're at it, let's also complaing about the victorian people who used to eat mummy remains.
And that country those people who dog their relatives up and put fresh cloths on them
It is a problem because most of those artifacts were stolen. For example geronimo's skull was stolen.
He’s selling stolen bones.
''where do they come from'' he's stated before that they are usually from dentists,old house sales,dr's retired pieces. They are medical specimens. I don't see the problem if these have previously been used over and over again for learning purposes,so why shouldn't jon take care of these? at least thery'e being appreciated on his shelf,come on. Otherwise they'd be buried and would crumble away.Isn't it better that the memory of these people lives on through these bones rather than crumbling into dust?
I own afew real human bones and I can tell you I’d much rather have them in my office respectfully displayed and use them for education than their fate before I owned them. People who inherit them really don’t know what to do and get scared assuming it’s illegal and throw them out. I’d rather my skull or femur be in a suede and hickory mount than in a land fill.
How many did he supply himself?
Bones
at least theyv'e become useful again in jon's hands.He's still teaching people which is what these bones were originally used for. Otherwise they'd become useless.
So. I just spent $1800 bucks at his website.
THIS RIGHT HERE IS WHY PEOPLE DONT BECOME AN ORGAN DONOR, I like the heart on my I'd and I am a donor and am happy to be
But I understand why others don't when they see stuff like that
Usually its stipulated that when the donee(s) are finished with the body it is cremated (at the donee's expense) and ashes returned to heirs.
Unfortunately they were buried??
check that mans internet history
Is it bad I only clicked on this to find out where to buy some? 💀
That last clip with the TikToker was very revealing. He justifies making a profit by saying that he needs to pay rent, but why should this be how he pays rent? It isn't even like he is keeping these human remains safe in the long term since he is selling them.
How is this really that different from archaeology? There are TONS of mummies and other human remains in museums all over the world. Cherishing, respecting, and learning from human remains isn’t necessarily a bad thing. These specimens are out there. I think INTENT is a very big piece of all of this. Flaunting your human bones on tiktok as macabre accessories to show how quirky or hardcore you are is distasteful, even to me.
I have a few pieces of human remains in my private collection. I look at myself as a caretaker. I have no idea who these people were in life, but I try my best to respect that this was a person, with a life, family, dreams, etc. These people are cared for now.
A big issue is that the family isn’t a part of the transaction I wouldn’t want my family members human remains cared for by a random person with some money.
this guy sells humans
Almost all of the remains that guy has have been procured illegally and been stolen, killed, abused, exploited. Mummies from a few thousand years ago died naturally and even they should be left either where they were buried or at least in their home country's national museum. Profiting from exploitation is bad. It will continue until the end of the world though.
The sanctity of human remains is entirely silly superstition. Plenty of cultures practice sky burials and similar customs where they leave them for the animals. Bones are rocks, their owners long gone.
Every vegetable you eat contains the remains of 110 billion people who once lived and became soil. So why does it matter if they're intact and on display somewhere, or dissolved in your dinner.
@@AcidOllie in a great plot twist selling human bones will bring about the end of days...
I don’t care what happens to my bones as I will be very dead
Am i the only one who doesnt care where my bones go after I die?
What the grave robbing hell is going on??? 😳
12:10 - "I don't think I'd feel comfortable selling...human remains..."