Americans made apache helicopter crashed 12 times since 2000,read again since 2000. Hamara to phir bhi 16 time hi crash hua hai jab 2005 Mein induct hua tha. Kam se kam ham apna to bana rahe hai, tumhare Paas to bike ka engine bhi Khud ka nahi hai. Kabhi China to kabhi America.
HAL is an incompetent sarkari babu type company which is more interested in lunch breaks rather than fulfilling its commitments. Air force is in grave condition with its falling fleet strength and aging planes. Even pakistan is able to maintain its squadron strength. Lets call spade a spade. What will airforce do with less fighting squadrons, airforce will still fight for country but at the cost of casualties. Our defense budget is also not increasing. Countries are moving towards 5th 6th generation & we are still fighting for tejas.
@@vemaraju why do you need certification to build anything and pan masala company these days have enough money that they can make aircraft if allowed. why do you need permission from gov to build something.
One Tejas crash in 24 years of flying. One specific variant of Dhruv crash i.e mk2. With nearly 30 years of service. And the delays become a blessing. What breathtaking logic?
@@pratyushojha 4 out of 5 ALH Dhruv which we exported to Ecuador had crashed. Now u know why HAL has no international customer for ALH or Tejas or trainer jets for that matter😊
@@pratyushojha what 24 years? Just 2 Tejas were inducted in 2016 and since then only two squadrons have been operational,,, if you keep them at hanger there will surely be no crashes
@@coco-ni9ks India clown house. ISRO 20,000 employees, cost nation U$2billions yearly. Still testing cryo engine as of Jan 2025. Max payload to GTO is only 4Ton, not even enough for domestic national requirement.
@@abhishekinfra "Ab initio" projects before being taken up, need a hard look at the capabilities available in the country & if aren't available, efforts should be on, to build that up, first & fast. They need a long lead time. First, capability needs to be built-up though not utilised then & there, but so as to be available for future. Technological (accurate) forecasting is lacking.
CHINA VS INDIA Timelines : (See the induction gap) 4th gen (220) Tejas Mark 1A - 2032 4th gen Tejas Mark 2 - 2038 4.5 gen AMCA Mark 1 - 2042 5th gen AMCA Mark 2 - 2045 Meawhile China : 6th gen J36 - 2032 5th gen J35 - available now 5th gen J20 - available now 4.5 gen J10C - available now
@Joebiiden civic sense means to help your neighbours and don't simply throw rubbish on the streets. Everyone has a duty to keep your country clean, don't jump off trains randomly, don't spit on the streets and don't steal stuff left in public etc etc. Once you love your country, then you'll progress
Chinese can read and write well. We graduate people with 100% scores who can't read a book on their own and need three tuition classes per subject. They learn how to build stuff and we learn how to get free stuff from politicians. They know what the product is made of and we know how to look stupid on tick tock.
16 march 2022 USAF General Kenneth Wilsbach, Commander, Pacific Air Forcessays that Lockheed Martin F-35s have had at least one encounter with Chengdu J-20s, and that the Shaanxi KJ-500 airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) aircraft has a key role in long-range air-to-air kill chains. But we notice that they are flying it pretty well. We recently had - I wouldn’t call it an engagement - where we got relatively close to the J-20s along with our F-35s in the East China Sea, and we’re relatively impressed with the command and control associated with the J-20.” Wilsbach made the remarks during a discussion posted on the RUclips channel of the Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies
J-20 sneaked up on f-35 and f-35 pilot didn't notice until the Chinese pilot gave him a middle finger and flew by....If it was in a battle scenario f-35 would be long gone !
Not acquisition but planning to acquire. Pakistan is still atleast a decade far from actually inducting a squadron. Apart from having the money to buy, Pak has to arrange for the upkeeping and maintenance of the aircrafts also, which will be again quite expensive and technological.
@@abhishekdutta8314 you don't have to worry about it son, you iaf chief and seniors naval chief already raised a concern over increasing tech and military tech Pakistan army and airforce got inducted in forces. You just sleep and enjoy,
I don't understand why everyone has to keep reiterating that HAL has great scientists and engineers etc etc. No, it does not, it would not have been a joke of a company and a national embarrassment (if not a national shame), if it was filled with the so called "great people"
You are stupid. They may not be great but they are the only one with enough experience. Their budget was gutted so private players and loot Indian public and introduce bad quality equipment. No one will call them bad then. We have seen this record playing over and over. Yet fools like you still don't get it.🤦
I am very proud to see that we can think of a project AMCA. Great Imagination. I am very optimistic and happy that before mars colonisation we will see a prototype.
From the outset ...each and every airforce chief who have retired till now has said...that all the domestic programs are in parallel with purchase of a foreign jet...LCA Mk1 IOC---FOC---LCA MK1A ---LCA MK2---AMCA this is the order no matter what...in domastic programs...MRFA AND FGFA are our PPP models...for foreign fighter procurement...this should be clear for each n every one before criticizing...and yes purchasing of FGFA has become top priority now... because of our northern neighbour... atleast 1sq of Su-57...for now.
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@@ivihari su57 is not at all stealthy . India dropped out of su57 for same reasons. Just bcz it has shape it does not makes it stealthy russian electronics and other techs lacks behind.
Also even Russia is short of them so who knows when India will get some. Just government fooling people to show that they are concerned and are doing something.
Shiv, you will be a great source of inspiration to students at the Aeronautical Engineering Institute, or any of the Defence related Universities. Come to Pune, there are many here. The urgency and desperation in your voice is what they need to hear. I will host you, if necessary. You make an excellent Professor, a motivational speaker.🎉🎉🎉
I think it makes more sense for India to spend money on improving infrastructure and living standards than to provoke China. Because China never considers India as a rival, China's rival is the United States.
They sell dreams of Akhanda Bharata to masses. It allows them to loot the public and tell them they are contributing to a big dream so keep facing problems.
HAL should be divided into multiple new companies: 1- BHL: helicopters 2- HAL: fixed wing design dev manufacturing and maintenance 3- IAL: fixed wing design dev and manufacturing maintenance 4- IDL: Drones ADA and NAL also gets some dept merged with above. Then the 4 smaller entities can be managed easily and targets set transparently
First India must create a consortium of all pvt aviation manufactures just like KAI and TAI. Then HAL should give up its manufacturing division to this consortium and focus only on R&D.
There should be monetary penalty on the OEM of aircraft and the equipment supplier in case of delay. I dont know why it is not applied here with HAL and GE.
I've been reading about the Kaveri engine in newspapers and on the internet since the early 2000s. Its 2025 and we are yet to see it operational. But during this time two perhaps three generations of engineers and bureaucrats who worked on the project have retired from HAL, DRDO, BHEL, BEL, etc and are enjoying their pensions. And every year we are promised to see it inducted on Tejus by the end of the year. This year more engineers and bureaucrats will also retire as they promise to induct Kaveri next year.
@CochinKerala Yet you've overlooked the lead time! The activity or the task of "designing" (not production that we have been doing for about five decades & produced/made/manufactured thousands of them) an Aero-engine, "ab initio" is there, since 1965! You are aware of (being made aware of) since about three & a half decades, "when" the government of the day took a decision to make one, "Kaveri" engine- as if from the blue. In fact nothing can be more simplistic to think. The kernel of Kaveri engine is the "GTX" under development, in the assigned drdo lab. When LAC design was "ready" (by Aircraft Development Agency, after we launched it), we included "Kaveri" for its engine. it looked rather sheepish (foolish) when the country totally lacked the capability to "design" one, but based solely on the fact that we have been making them. Yet, we had no alternative. We need to hope for the best. And that we did. It'd be a miracle if it did. But that wasn't to be & "Kaveri" wasn't ready. Yet it was on a positive trajectory (learning curve) of mastering the art, given a few more years. It implies (at least by me) that we need to persevere rather throwing "Kaveri" away, as none would give us an engine! We are in a straight jacket. India must succeed(like ISRO did for Cryogenic engine). The incremental task is inching towards completion (let's hope). Partly fulfilled, Kaveri is being tried on a drone will be fitted on Tejas. Basics are in place, but Tejas may not measure up to the full specifications of leading engines (that only 4 countries - America, Britain, France & Russia "design" them). Once we have an engine in hand, we can trim up the specs to be on par, in time. One can't order about to do ab initio design, on a time schedule. That needs a lead time with upper end undefined. We can't do it, just because the some other guy did it. Lastly, India is spending the least on R&D, for a Technologically developed country! Even to "spend" you have no avenues to spend (there are no shops to spend on).
We have brought this upon us.. Procurement of Rafales should have been carried out beyond the 36. We need minimum detrerence atleast. Our fleet is getting old.
Hi, I was happened to listen to a talk by the then former Air Chief given at VJTI(Mumbai) Technovanza where he insisted the paucity of servicing the aircrafts and appealed to the tech students to fill in the lacunae plaguing IAF. This was Dec-2019
IAF also has to be blamed for delays. They suddenly wanted a refuel probe and radome in 2010. Cobham, a Brit company took till 2014 to deliver it. Then IAF didn't give further orders till 2016, and wanted AESA radar, new EW suite etc (like a spoilt brat). So, in 2017 HAL suggested Mk1A and worked to reduce weight, add AESA radar and integrated EW suite. IAF waited till 2021 to give additional orders of Mk1A, but due to supply shocks of Covid GE is unable to supply engines. So, IAF also has a large part of blame.
There is literally blood on the HAL's hand, if they are neglecting/defending the Dhruv Helicopter issue because Dhruv crashes not only cost helicopters but also its flying crews and other personals at the time of the crash.
Within Every Government department needs to have a high performance departments where there are people who are promoted and awarded based on performance and delivery and reservations and regular periodic Increments do not happen in this department based on period of service but this one department employees are based on measurable performance and output.
Solution is to delude less about being any major global power and work on social, economic and political reforms and creating a prosperous country. China is not Indian people's enemy. Pakistan is not Indian people's enemy, may be Pakistani mullahs are.
I have written occasionally about the lack of timeliness in whatever India does or produces, but HAL takes that negative aspect to a new hight. India will NEVER be able to sell its aircraft to anyone. It clear to any country that HAL can’t deliver to its own internal (shackled) markets let alone anyone else. If India was a dictatorship, all the ‘samoosa eating fat heads’ of HAL will be gone - and I do mean, gone! Failing that drastic move, HAL needs to be sold to private enterprise immediately! I cannot predict whether this will have the desired result, because it takes a lot to change the epidemic ‘samoosa eating culture’. However, a Bill should be presented & pushed through Parliament immediately to sell HAL, to give it chance to change - and change quickly. HAL’s apologists (and there are many) who argue that it’s not HAL’s fault that ‘supply lines’ are broken; or that it takes a long time to develop an engine (they have had over 60 years!); or there are not enough ‘samoosa’s in the canteen, etc. etc. There is one prediction I CAN make. If an adversary of India decides to attack, they will NOT postpone their attack because HAL has ‘supply issues (raw materials & parts) or samoosas’. The defence of the Nation is not like cricket. There are NO umpires or DRS. Stop waggling your heads and get on with the job!
Absolutely with you man. Your frustration is just as mine. Being kid of airman. I know how everything works. I'm sorry to say I've seen Airmen working. Majority are for job security than anything for national. Men with protruding belly tells how much work they are carrying out for protecting our nation. India has this national character which reflected in our traffic and roads. So much choas, lost, flase pride, twisted history, hatred, religious dogmas. HAL exemplifies exactly this culture
@@tamilmystery1140 Mate, it is good to see someone understands. Some of my Indian ancestors were 'forced to leave India as indentured servants' but necessity demanded they changed in their new land. Their children, like my parents (of Tamil & Andhra descent who were never able to visit India) would bemoan after listening to experiences relatives (who had visited there) how India was so chaotic, inactive, never on time or delivering on promises. My (late) parents during their lives combined to build businesses, schools, engage in the struggle for freedom of the oppressed by helping to educate the general folk whether their ancestors were Indian or indigenous. It is from them I learned to be proactive; competent; deliver what you promise, on time (work ethic)! I am sure my Indian (mostly poor, uneducated & illiterate) grandparents would be proud. The irony is that during my long career, people chose me to undertake or head up projects because they thought I was from India, and that we had a good work ethic. Sadly, all that India has shown the World is that it still has a long way to go. For people like me this is saddening if not humiliating. Best Wishes
Selll 60% of HAL to an Indian giant like TATA, you now have 1st world 1st class manufacturing and RND, instead of lazy incompetent beaurocrat babus at HAL waiting to collect their government pensions.
Is HAL taking revenge with Indian airforce with Tejas delays because HAL once designed the aircraft HAL HF-Marut that was hardly used by IAF in 60s-70s?
You are currently in an emotionally high state. You blame the US for the delay in the Tejas plane and call it treason. But this emotional approach of yours, may can end with a completely opposite logical choice. Tejas, UNCLE, TEDBF... You need engines for all of them. The most ideal option is GE F-414 / 404 series aeroengines. I think America will use this pain you have suffered and your desire to produce engines in your country against you. You will have to buy F-16 (under the super cool name F-21 Super Viper) for MRFA, even though you do not want it. The US will establish a production line in India with a comprehensive technology transfer. After all, both the aircraft and the engine are 50 years old technology. You will become a labor center dependent on the US by producing and modernizing F-16 and similar aircraft cheaply. In the meantime, of course, you will also manufacture GE F-110 series aeroengines. No matter what France and other Europeans suggest, I do not take it seriously. I think the US has already closed the deal. And it has closed it from the top, from the politicians. Downstairs, a game is being played about what to do.
HAL should be wound up in a practical timeframe say within 3 years or it should be immediately privatised. It has a typical Public Sector workculture and miniscule innovative research.
@@nilanjanpramanik3587search TASL products. You will come know what private companies have produced and at what pace. Stop brushing HAL's issues under the carpet. Such attitude doesnt help the country, in fact it is fake nationalism and more akin to jingoism.
It's like asking an IT service company to develop an operating system or develop a mailing system like G-Mail. Sure the company can do it but it needs the will to do it. No IT service company in India spend any money on R&D because of fear of losing money. They want their engineers to get things done for free. Lookout for free third party library, framework, use free version of LLM which has lot of limitations and develop a world class product out that free version. This kind of mentality will not take the company anywhere let alone country.
Please bring ISRO officers into DRDO and HAL after they are retired from ISRO. Their expertise and experience in ISRO of utilizing limited resources and completing the projects in time and with success will help bring some discipline in HAL and DRDO
What most shocking is IAF allow this to happen for decades and did nothing about it by sacrificing its flying crew. Amazing! ..that's what you call yourself souparr pawwerrr?
Everything sarkari is not always bad, ISRO is case in point. Yes, there is friction with IAF, but the path to self reliance is not easy. We can't keep importing.
Obviously, India needs to rethink her aerospace industrial structure and commit more funds to its R&D and HR development. HAL has too many things on its plate and profits only on their mind.
HAL might be incompetent but Delays in MRFA are not HALs fault. Rafale has been chosen as the aircraft in 2011, why do you need competion again of same aircrafts? That’s not HAL fault. I remember Gen Rawat had said by Rafale in chunks 36 , what is this obsession with big deals
Bcoz when something fails, you need people to blame. So one blames the other. It's actually a collective failure of the "Indian taking for granted way while having a loud mouth system". Even a country like Turkey has built a fifth gen fighter on its own, while we are struggling with Tejas. However, news channels are still showing if we acquire Su-57, we will be the fourth country after US, China and Russia to have a 5th gen fighter. What kind of an exaggeration is this when around 10 countries are already using F 35😅?
At last Indian government Modi government is to blame. With less than 2% of GDP in defense , with China and Pakistan breaking down our neck, not sure what Modi government is thinking. India think spending on defense is wasteful expenditure. We love freebies politics.
Shiv and Dev, Fantastic discussion as always. Can you do a program on this “alphabet soup”of DRDO labs? There are so many of them and I still can’t figure out what most of them do. Some of them i must say have created some good products, but the rest, are they white elephants( or may be not?) Would you able to discuss this in one show?
Amazing insights!!...Ardent supporter of breaking the monopoly of HAL ...i wish MoD awards the next 97 to a pvt sector and trust me, Adani, Tata, L&T , Mahindra will establish tje infra, train the workforce and build those sooner than HAL lumbers with the 83...they may even export 36 odd in that same timeframe !
Everything said about HAL could be true… some is definitely true but IAF “was” and to some extent “is” also living in the world of its own. They seem to be in serious competition with HAL they blame for their ills. This is not the place to describe everything in detail but hope they learn some lessons from their sister force The Indian Navy which is able to get fairly decent quality big ticket hardware built in India. IAF succeeds in giving impression that IAF shouldn’t buy indigenous equipment. If Indian citizens try to attempt it, they will do anything and everything to defeat the effort such as even denying a pilot to fly Tejas in an air show in 2014 in a gulf country, when Tejas was under development. If you still persist on developing it, they would make sure to change specs midstream. If you still persist, they will hold the order. It took defense ministry to come out with a list of equipment you cannot import to buck this practice. Indian citizens wish that the IAF learns and adopts some practices that China, Turkey, the US and Indian Navy in working through the technology development.
Opening statement is a crap. many are arm chair experts. I have been in public sector for more than 2 decades. they had the best people in 1970s & 80s. but the work processes are so cumbersome in govt sector, it does not encourage new ideas added to this promotions were based on bootlicking and reservations - it persists even today. IAF can resign. support all agencies to get your job done - not bullshit in your channel. the problem is it happened even in private (marwadi) company - my brother an engineer, head of maintenance gets equal salary to the office peon ( a marwadi) - times are changing a LITTLE BIT RECENTLY. so dont imagine magic will happen - your immature statements. Our defence budget has increased - check. In cong govt no fighters for 20 years, in last 10 years 36 Rafeals and 36 Tejas were added. agreed we require another ~150. Airforce is very important, but blind purchase is not OK. had we continued working on Maruth aircraft made in 1964 in HAL, had Tejas got funds from 1983 onwards ( on paper approval, very little funds) real funding started in 1993. GTRE, funded for jet engine with no strong push or continuous funding. if govt doesn't care for appreciating the results or funding- there is no incentive to work. please note they were the best brains in the country. ISRO could do better because they don't have to answer any army personnel. also any development takes time - i have first experience I worked for MDL in 1985 and later at other PSU. VTOL aircraft made in UK took 35 years to make, F35 took $40-50 billions and good 15. years to make after making F22 we dont know exactly what is pak budget or quality of equipment - chinese claims cannot be believed. follow a channel CHINA OBSERVER to know some of the capabilities of china. even if they are good I don't care about that. You will end up bankrupt civilian life like pak if keep buying from outside. US and Russia are arm twisting us today- (if we continue to be dependent on them, we will never be able to buy as many as being demanded- so stop crap). I know about US companies- GE ( I worked for them for many years) the war fare methods have changed - so dont imagine too much. we have alternatives - missile force - cost of fighter approx $100 million + maintenance 3-4 million every year. missiles also cost 0.5 to 5 million. they do form a good defense. now we have 40-50 private drone makers in India - the new warfare. we are not out of options - we dont have to become desperate. even after removed from sanctions in 2008, we could not get a single nuclear power plant from US. SO, its OK for the delay in making things indigenously than buying from outside. you dont seem to recall that during Congress govt, we didn't have money to make roads or buy aircrafts. so stop ranting without knowing overall picture. this is applicable to the channel also who earn money by talking only and no real contribution. i find whole damn need for arms is so funny - in wars of ukraine- russia and isreal-gaza. for each missile fired by Hamas costs about $5000-20000. the impact is very less and the isreal defence it costs $25000+ hardly 1 person per missile is eliminated. they are good to destroy big targets. Actual damage is done by missiles fried from ground or air ( mainly missiles are imp not aircraft) now we have kamakazi drones are costing of fuel for a flight. Its appears its great have a strong structures as defence than attacking the opponent.
ALH Dhruv (HAL) crash of January 5, is big bad news that is reflective of HAL's capability! Here is further bad news. Ecuadorean Air Force that ordered for them, has suffered 4 crashes & grounded her whole fleet of these. They canceled further (intended) orders. Also they turned down our offer of repair & improvement that is rather sheep-faced (ought not to have been done). And put the rest of her fleet on sale, for anyone to buy! It has brought down the name of our military exports crashing to ground. We lost reputation. Crash by an Indian operator is one thing, but by an operator half the way round the globe, is worse! That plainly smacks of incompetence in all aspects of "production". Anything can be suspect - production methodology, the French-designed engine (as well as our production of it) & last but not the least, our certification and inspection procedures before delivery! instead of finding a scapegoat, it is worth our while to delve deep into all aspects now. ALH has been designed & produced specifically for our high-altitude operations (service ceiling 6100 m), unique in the world. Ecuador that has high-atlitudes like India (Andes is the next highest mountain range that has "six thousanders -above 6000m height" anywhere in all continents). Perhaps Ecuador considered this aspect before ordering, but we've rushed through - to export them, without gaining confidence in operational performance. The high-altitude performance aspect needs to be checked, for which their data is required. But a crash at sea-level here in India, rules that out! Comprehensive investigation may be necessary (involving the German MBB too). Two more, based on this platform - LCH Prachand (with enhanced service ceiling at 6500 m, the highest anywhere in world) & Rudra-WSI too, may need a hard look into their accident proneness, in performance. At this stage it is better not to rush through to "export" this product (loss of face is worse than lack of exports), but wait till these acquire a decent operational (accident free) performance.
What is the need of fighter aircraft without it's arsenal...it is just a flying cockpit....Hope airforce also understand the same....Kudos to DRDO's effort for making these happen ..otherwise all Airforce imported fighters would have been a flying balloon....why these SU 30 MK to become SU30 MKI....
This Heli was rejected by all major clients. It is sad that armed forces have to settle with this shitty Heli. Govt has been sleeping for last 10 years over fighter Jet acquisitions. We should have gone for other options or should have bargained with France and procured 80 to 90 Rafales instead of paltry 36! With larger numbers of Rafales, we could have settled for 2 types of Tejas: one with Russian Engines and other with US engines. HAL already has exp with Russian engines.
When Tejas was being designed, the IAF wanted it to become the best jet in the world. Hence it used the state of the art American engines instead of inferior by readily available Russian engines. It's FBW was 100% digital & was developed by Lockheed Martin. Even Rafael had a digital-,analog FBW system. And this extends to the entire jet. Nose cone, canopy, ejection seat all best in the world. This makes Tejas very complex & as a result is difficult to manufacture & maintain.
@soumabratabiswas6652 70% of techs are imported by HAL or produced under license including the radars. The biggest tragedy facing India's armed forces is the so called Make in India obsession. We simply cannot settle for sub standard weapons just for the sake of Make in India. Import tech if we cannot develop it because we have powerful enemies. Our economy has been mismanaged and our leaders do not have any vision. Better not to play with our national security, that is severly under looming threat.
@gurusastropalmistry2214 Using imported tech you cannot win any war, history is testament to that. All major powers understand that. David Ben-Gurion first PM of Israel had said that if a domestic weapon performs even 50% of a foreign weapon it's good enough to win the war. Deng Xiaopeng the leader of China in the 80's said foreign weapons are like neighbours son, however hood they may be it's your own son which looks after you however bad he may be. Look where China & Israel are at the moment. Atmanirbharta is the key to our victory.
HAL or HELL is a quip that only Indians can come up with. China definitely cannot compete in thy production of jokes. Not true for everything else unfortunately....
Well, IAF Chief should also look into their own "Griebaan" before pointing fingers at others. Its easy to criticize, DRDO & HAL (Yes! They should be held accountable & they have done mistakes), when they can't defend themselves or have the same effect on people like an IAF Chief has. IAF will import anything & everything at the drop of a hat! What have they done to help DRDO & HAL? Did they put pressure on GoI along with IN for Kaveri Engine funding & related infra development? NO! They were dilly-dallying on the Tejas/Tejas Mk 1A itself, before Manohar Ji pushed them along with AMCA. Why didn't they take the initiative along with IN for joint development for an Aero & Marine Kaveri? Oh; how can they, they were busy with decade long MRCA/MRFA circus along with GoI. How much does DRDO get for R&D? Talk is cheap & easy, actions are harder. Also used a Noise level issue on LUH, just when everything was fine for years, how convenient. Changing requirements between the programs to stall the program, then crying over delay . Just look at USAF/RuAF/PLAAF they, actively participate in their own programs, small or big doesn't matter, they also have significant R&D & other facilities with them. Committee pe Committee banao, foreign trip pe jao & lament own without looking at own mistakes & problems.
So many crashes of Imported aircraft and helicopter within it's life cycle but no reports were make public just because of airforce leadership/bureaucratic wishlist (Nehru Glammatic way)...Make in India taken shape in 2014 prior to that no sync between Airforce and HCL ?????...Both should come out of comfort zone
Extremely hollow analysis by shiv, ill informed, For Tejas more than 13000 parts and almost all of LRUs required are sourced by private sector companies based in India The decision to choose GE as an engine was taken by MOD
Lack of excellence and a mindset of "Jugad" haunts us in every walk of life
Exactly India n Indians with juggad mindset destroyed itself
Hal needs collaboration with another military aerospace co. Like Lockheed Martin, dassualt aviation. They have skills but lacks top notch technology.
@@nareshchand6198 why would they do it ? India has to go China way .....excellence and meritocracy must be promoted
@@manh9105- "16 Accidents in a 5 years" So called India's indigenous advance light helicopter 😂😂😂😂
Americans made apache helicopter crashed 12 times since 2000,read again since 2000. Hamara to phir bhi 16 time hi crash hua hai jab 2005 Mein induct hua tha. Kam se kam ham apna to bana rahe hai, tumhare Paas to bike ka engine bhi Khud ka nahi hai. Kabhi China to kabhi America.
HAL is an incompetent sarkari babu type company which is more interested in lunch breaks rather than fulfilling its commitments.
Air force is in grave condition with its falling fleet strength and aging planes. Even pakistan is able to maintain its squadron strength. Lets call spade a spade. What will airforce do with less fighting squadrons, airforce will still fight for country but at the cost of casualties. Our defense budget is also not increasing. Countries are moving towards 5th 6th generation & we are still fighting for tejas.
What is the funding of HAL? How much is it? Is it even enough?
@@vemaraju who told indian gov to build aircraft. why dont they allow general public to build aircraft. why there is need to get licence from gov??
@@cricketforever1841 you want pan masala company to make aircraft without any certification? we don't need enemies, when we have you.
@@vemaraju why do you need certification to build anything and pan masala company these days have enough money that they can make aircraft if allowed. why do you need permission from gov to build something.
@cricketforever1841 My god, you will eventually say why does a pilot need a license, why a general surgeon needs education, etc
With so much Indian aircraft crashes, especially those were made in India, the delay of the Tejas is in fact a blessing for the Indian pilots.
One Tejas crash in 24 years of flying.
One specific variant of Dhruv crash i.e mk2. With nearly 30 years of service.
And the delays become a blessing.
What breathtaking logic?
This guy maybe don't know about crashes history, or either he's just pakistani shxtposter obsessed wid india
U opened ur mouth & now everyone knows u r stupid .
@@pratyushojha 4 out of 5 ALH Dhruv which we exported to Ecuador had crashed.
Now u know why HAL has no international customer for ALH or Tejas or trainer jets for that matter😊
@@pratyushojha what 24 years? Just 2 Tejas were inducted in 2016 and since then only two squadrons have been operational,,, if you keep them at hanger there will surely be no crashes
While ISRO keeps makes country proud, HAL and DRDO keep finding new avenues for embarrassment
How proud? No space station, no GPS, no access to lunar soil
DRDO's success rate is same as ISRO's but armed forces and MoD don't know how to manage projects well.
@@coco-ni9ks India clown house. ISRO 20,000 employees, cost nation U$2billions yearly. Still testing cryo engine as of Jan 2025. Max payload to GTO is only 4Ton, not even enough for domestic national requirement.
@@coco-ni9ks Point to be noted please!
@@abhishekinfra
"Ab initio" projects before being taken up, need a hard look at the capabilities available in the country & if aren't available, efforts should be on, to build that up, first & fast. They need a long lead time. First, capability needs to be built-up though not utilised then & there, but so as to be available for future. Technological (accurate) forecasting is lacking.
CHINA VS INDIA Timelines :
(See the induction gap)
4th gen (220) Tejas Mark 1A - 2032
4th gen Tejas Mark 2 - 2038
4.5 gen AMCA Mark 1 - 2042
5th gen AMCA Mark 2 - 2045
Meawhile China :
6th gen J36 - 2032
5th gen J35 - available now
5th gen J20 - available now
4.5 gen J10C - available now
First step is to stop glorifying pointy moustache and have good civic mindset
@@Jacktan9203what civic sense????. What he said is true.
@Joebiiden civic sense means to help your neighbours and don't simply throw rubbish on the streets. Everyone has a duty to keep your country clean, don't jump off trains randomly, don't spit on the streets and don't steal stuff left in public etc etc. Once you love your country, then you'll progress
Chinese can read and write well. We graduate people with 100% scores who can't read a book on their own and need three tuition classes per subject. They learn how to build stuff and we learn how to get free stuff from politicians. They know what the product is made of and we know how to look stupid on tick tock.
I'm Taiwan Chinese, respect you, what you listed is totally true, and let me add one, 4.5th gen J16 also on duty now
16 march 2022 USAF General Kenneth Wilsbach, Commander, Pacific Air Forcessays that Lockheed Martin F-35s have had at least one encounter with Chengdu J-20s, and that the Shaanxi KJ-500 airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) aircraft has a key role in long-range air-to-air kill chains. But we notice that they are flying it pretty well. We recently had - I wouldn’t call it an engagement - where we got relatively close to the J-20s along with our F-35s in the East China Sea, and we’re relatively impressed with the command and control associated with the J-20.”
Wilsbach made the remarks during a discussion posted on the RUclips channel of the Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies
It's made in china..relax ..
J-20 sneaked up on f-35 and f-35 pilot didn't notice until the Chinese pilot gave him a middle finger and flew by....If it was in a battle scenario f-35 would be long gone !
HAL is basically BABU's version of defence company.
Pakistan’s 5th gen acquisitions have sent shockwaves within the defence quarters of India
Thanks to pakistan, our sleeping defense industry needed that.
@@pkmkb007ikmkb, still after years of shouts and crying by indian media, iaf still does not pay attention 😂
Not acquisition but planning to acquire. Pakistan is still atleast a decade far from actually inducting a squadron. Apart from having the money to buy, Pak has to arrange for the upkeeping and maintenance of the aircrafts also, which will be again quite expensive and technological.
@@abhishekdutta8314 you don't have to worry about it son, you iaf chief and seniors naval chief already raised a concern over increasing tech and military tech Pakistan army and airforce got inducted in forces. You just sleep and enjoy,
@@abhishekdutta8314 you’re not worried but 2 out of your 3 chiefs are. 3rd will share a voice note soon 🤣
I don't understand why everyone has to keep reiterating that HAL has great scientists and engineers etc etc.
No, it does not, it would not have been a joke of a company and a national embarrassment (if not a national shame), if it was filled with the so called "great people"
You are stupid. They may not be great but they are the only one with enough experience.
Their budget was gutted so private players and loot Indian public and introduce bad quality equipment. No one will call them bad then.
We have seen this record playing over and over. Yet fools like you still don't get it.🤦
Only a war can change
As if Kargil did anything
@@tut7345Kargil was barely a war. 47,65 and 71 were wars.
I am very proud to see that we can think of a project AMCA. Great Imagination. I am very optimistic and happy that before mars colonisation we will see a prototype.
Indian pilots broke world record on most Crashes..
From the outset ...each and every airforce chief who have retired till now has said...that all the domestic programs are in parallel with purchase of a foreign jet...LCA Mk1 IOC---FOC---LCA MK1A ---LCA MK2---AMCA this is the order no matter what...in domastic programs...MRFA AND FGFA are our PPP models...for foreign fighter procurement...this should be clear for each n every one before criticizing...and yes purchasing of FGFA has become top priority now... because of our northern neighbour... atleast 1sq of Su-57...for now.
@@ivihari su57 is not at all stealthy . India dropped out of su57 for same reasons. Just bcz it has shape it does not makes it stealthy russian electronics and other techs lacks behind.
Also even Russia is short of them so who knows when India will get some.
Just government fooling people to show that they are concerned and are doing something.
Shiv, you will be a great source of inspiration to students at the Aeronautical Engineering Institute, or any of the Defence related Universities. Come to Pune, there are many here. The urgency and desperation in your voice is what they need to hear. I will host you, if necessary. You make an excellent Professor, a motivational speaker.🎉🎉🎉
Most workers in HAL factories are building aircrafts while discussing IPL.
Here's a statistic for HAL and India Today : It is safer NOT to be rescued by a Dhruv copter than the alternative.
I think it makes more sense for India to spend money on improving infrastructure and living standards than to provoke China. Because China never considers India as a rival, China's rival is the United States.
They sell dreams of Akhanda Bharata to masses. It allows them to loot the public and tell them they are contributing to a big dream so keep facing problems.
Who the Fc2k is Provoking China ?
What nonsense you speak ??
@raghunandan9290 Don't you remember Shah's speech in parliament that created all China problem.
@ssa6227
A speech should create a Problem ??
Means Problem is with China NOT India .
Such thin skinned .
Indians have so many cowards
HAL should be divided into multiple new companies:
1- BHL: helicopters
2- HAL: fixed wing design dev manufacturing and maintenance
3- IAL: fixed wing design dev and manufacturing maintenance
4- IDL: Drones
ADA and NAL also gets some dept merged with above.
Then the 4 smaller entities can be managed easily and targets set transparently
First India must create a consortium of all pvt aviation manufactures just like KAI and TAI. Then HAL should give up its manufacturing division to this consortium and focus only on R&D.
We should learn from PAC (Pakistan Aeronauticul Complex)deliver 160JF 17 to PAFfrom 2017.
Pakistan paints aircraft of Chinese 😂.. Your not eligible to be even in the club . First build 100cc bike
There should be monetary penalty on the OEM of aircraft and the equipment supplier in case of delay. I dont know why it is not applied here with HAL and GE.
Putting penalty on GE would incense the US. One reporter suggested that & was immediately forced to retract by the US embassy the next day.
The USSR being a communist nation still had competition between various design bureaus such as Sukhoi,Mikoyan,Yakolev,ilyushin etc
I've been reading about the Kaveri engine in newspapers and on the internet since the early 2000s. Its 2025 and we are yet to see it operational. But during this time two perhaps three generations of engineers and bureaucrats who worked on the project have retired from HAL, DRDO, BHEL, BEL, etc and are enjoying their pensions. And every year we are promised to see it inducted on Tejus by the end of the year. This year more engineers and bureaucrats will also retire as they promise to induct Kaveri next year.
@CochinKerala
Yet you've overlooked the lead time! The activity or the task of "designing" (not production that we have been doing for about five decades & produced/made/manufactured thousands of them) an Aero-engine, "ab initio" is there, since 1965! You are aware of (being made aware of) since about three & a half decades, "when" the government of the day took a decision to make one, "Kaveri" engine- as if from the blue. In fact nothing can be more simplistic to think. The kernel of Kaveri engine is the "GTX" under development, in the assigned drdo lab.
When LAC design was "ready" (by Aircraft Development Agency, after we launched it), we included "Kaveri" for its engine. it looked rather sheepish (foolish) when the country totally lacked the capability to "design" one, but based solely on the fact that we have been making them. Yet, we had no alternative. We need to hope for the best. And that we did. It'd be a miracle if it did. But that wasn't to be & "Kaveri" wasn't ready. Yet it was on a positive trajectory (learning curve) of mastering the art, given a few more years. It implies (at least by me) that we need to persevere rather throwing "Kaveri" away, as none would give us an engine! We are in a straight jacket. India must succeed(like ISRO did for Cryogenic engine). The incremental task is inching towards completion (let's hope). Partly fulfilled, Kaveri is being tried on a drone will be fitted on Tejas. Basics are in place, but Tejas may not measure up to the full specifications of leading engines (that only 4 countries - America, Britain, France & Russia "design" them). Once we have an engine in hand, we can trim up the specs to be on par, in time.
One can't order about to do ab initio design, on a time schedule. That needs a lead time with upper end undefined. We can't do it, just because the some other guy did it.
Lastly, India is spending the least on R&D, for a Technologically developed country! Even to "spend" you have no avenues to spend (there are no shops to spend on).
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indian news: 🤡🤡
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We have brought this upon us.. Procurement of Rafales should have been carried out beyond the 36. We need minimum detrerence atleast. Our fleet is getting old.
French told India to pay up for those 36 jets....Money wasn't sent !
Hi, I was happened to listen to a talk by the then former Air Chief given at VJTI(Mumbai) Technovanza where he insisted the paucity of servicing the aircrafts and appealed to the tech students to fill in the lacunae plaguing IAF. This was Dec-2019
Dhruv Bhai You give true inside picture to us ... Please Compare HAL With TAI or Korean giants
HAL is a typical sarkaari organisation, you can't expect much from HAL , anything sarkaari except for few organisations are pathetic and below quality
Biswaguruji ki Jai!
IAF also has to be blamed for delays. They suddenly wanted a refuel probe and radome in 2010. Cobham, a Brit company took till 2014 to deliver it. Then IAF didn't give further orders till 2016, and wanted AESA radar, new EW suite etc (like a spoilt brat).
So, in 2017 HAL suggested Mk1A and worked to reduce weight, add AESA radar and integrated EW suite. IAF waited till 2021 to give additional orders of Mk1A, but due to supply shocks of Covid GE is unable to supply engines.
So, IAF also has a large part of blame.
iaf is very entitled
Can India totally independently make mig 21 with all parts made in India without anything imported?
No
So you are saying jets that are made by all those developed countries are made fully in their own country!🤡
@himanshusingh-st7xi those developed countries are part of a military alliance which India has none
No
india: 🤡🤡
indian air force: 🤡🤡
indian manufacturing: 🤡🤡
indian news: 🤡🤡
indian govt: 🤡🤡
Tejas: 🤡🤡
make in india: 🤡🤡
China: 🗿
Agree
I live very close to HAL factory in Bangalore, only people i see there are 50+ age who always look tired,never saw any young person.
There is literally blood on the HAL's hand, if they are neglecting/defending the Dhruv Helicopter issue because Dhruv crashes not only cost helicopters but also its flying crews and other personals at the time of the crash.
Within Every Government department needs to have a high performance departments where there are people who are promoted and awarded based on performance and delivery and reservations and regular periodic Increments do not happen in this department based on period of service but this one department employees are based on measurable performance and output.
Perform or perish, this needs to be new mantra for HAL and DRDO. For way too long these agencies had their way with tax payers money.
Sarr , india supaar pawar saar
Main solution is we have to privatize all the PSUs
Solution is to delude less about being any major global power and work on social, economic and political reforms and creating a prosperous country.
China is not Indian people's enemy.
Pakistan is not Indian people's enemy, may be Pakistani mullahs are.
I have written occasionally about the lack of timeliness in whatever India does or produces, but HAL takes that negative aspect to a new hight. India will NEVER be able to sell its aircraft to anyone. It clear to any country that HAL can’t deliver to its own internal (shackled) markets let alone anyone else. If India was a dictatorship, all the ‘samoosa eating fat heads’ of HAL will be gone - and I do mean, gone! Failing that drastic move, HAL needs to be sold to private enterprise immediately! I cannot predict whether this will have the desired result, because it takes a lot to change the epidemic ‘samoosa eating culture’. However, a Bill should be presented & pushed through Parliament immediately to sell HAL, to give it chance to change - and change quickly. HAL’s apologists (and there are many) who argue that it’s not HAL’s fault that ‘supply lines’ are broken; or that it takes a long time to develop an engine (they have had over 60 years!); or there are not enough ‘samoosa’s in the canteen, etc. etc. There is one prediction I CAN make. If an adversary of India decides to attack, they will NOT postpone their attack because HAL has ‘supply issues (raw materials & parts) or samoosas’. The defence of the Nation is not like cricket. There are NO umpires or DRS. Stop waggling your heads and get on with the job!
Absolutely with you man. Your frustration is just as mine. Being kid of airman. I know how everything works. I'm sorry to say I've seen Airmen working. Majority are for job security than anything for national. Men with protruding belly tells how much work they are carrying out for protecting our nation. India has this national character which reflected in our traffic and roads. So much choas, lost, flase pride, twisted history, hatred, religious dogmas. HAL exemplifies exactly this culture
@@tamilmystery1140 Mate, it is good to see someone understands. Some of my Indian ancestors were 'forced to leave India as indentured servants' but necessity demanded they changed in their new land. Their children, like my parents (of Tamil & Andhra descent who were never able to visit India) would bemoan after listening to experiences relatives (who had visited there) how India was so chaotic, inactive, never on time or delivering on promises. My (late) parents during their lives combined to build businesses, schools, engage in the struggle for freedom of the oppressed by helping to educate the general folk whether their ancestors were Indian or indigenous. It is from them I learned to be proactive; competent; deliver what you promise, on time (work ethic)! I am sure my Indian (mostly poor, uneducated & illiterate) grandparents would be proud. The irony is that during my long career, people chose me to undertake or head up projects because they thought I was from India, and that we had a good work ethic. Sadly, all that India has shown the World is that it still has a long way to go. For people like me this is saddening if not humiliating. Best Wishes
In short what i learnt is Dhruv is world class state of art safe heli which most often than not crashes . WTH
There are desing and component issues but i am not saying that its not safe.just wow
No fire in the belly, that is the bottom line.
No money and no engineering talents are the real problems.
Selll 60% of HAL to an Indian giant like TATA, you now have 1st world 1st class manufacturing and RND, instead of lazy incompetent beaurocrat babus at HAL waiting to collect their government pensions.
The government scientists engage in scientific politics.Privatise it ruthlessly.
HAL has become a dinosaur. Privatisation can be a solution.
४०% लेने वालोंको ५० % आरक्षण होता रहा हैं ...तो ये ही हालत रहेगी.
Nobody is talking of the Defence Minister and PM's role in all this. They act as if HAL boss takes all decisions by himself
Why no one is taking responsibility and offer resignation for delay? Where is honesty?
Is HAL taking revenge with Indian airforce with Tejas delays because HAL once designed the aircraft HAL HF-Marut that was hardly used by IAF in 60s-70s?
You are currently in an emotionally high state. You blame the US for the delay in the Tejas plane and call it treason. But this emotional approach of yours, may can end with a completely opposite logical choice.
Tejas, UNCLE, TEDBF... You need engines for all of them. The most ideal option is GE F-414 / 404 series aeroengines. I think America will use this pain you have suffered and your desire to produce engines in your country against you. You will have to buy F-16 (under the super cool name F-21 Super Viper) for MRFA, even though you do not want it. The US will establish a production line in India with a comprehensive technology transfer. After all, both the aircraft and the engine are 50 years old technology. You will become a labor center dependent on the US by producing and modernizing F-16 and similar aircraft cheaply. In the meantime, of course, you will also manufacture GE F-110 series aeroengines.
No matter what France and other Europeans suggest, I do not take it seriously. I think the US has already closed the deal. And it has closed it from the top, from the politicians. Downstairs, a game is being played about what to do.
HAL should be wound up in a practical timeframe say within 3 years or it should be immediately privatised. It has a typical Public Sector workculture and miniscule innovative research.
Make sure all Hal jet have 2 seats, one seat reserve for Hal engineer, all failure wil be eliminated. 😂😂
India need to have another invovative company to meet aircraft needs
HAL, SBI, ICF, DRDO each employee works for tea breaks and samosas
Hal is way better than private companies..whose only expertise is managing cheap labour
hahaha good joke 🤣
These sarkari people can only do ghooskhori and nothing else
@nikhiljethalia7760 hal has developed a whole series of helicopter inhouse..tell me one thing high tech..that private companies developed in india
@@nilanjanpramanik3587search TASL products. You will come know what private companies have produced and at what pace. Stop brushing HAL's issues under the carpet. Such attitude doesnt help the country, in fact it is fake nationalism and more akin to jingoism.
@@nilanjanpramanik3587 bro, competetion is with china, not Private sector. Compared to them. They have done 20%
Adani should take over IAF
A good reality check for those are dishonest about india's weaknesses, still boasting of a super power, world champion !
It's like asking an IT service company to develop an operating system or develop a mailing system like G-Mail. Sure the company can do it but it needs the will to do it. No IT service company in India spend any money on R&D because of fear of losing money. They want their engineers to get things done for free. Lookout for free third party library, framework, use free version of LLM which has lot of limitations and develop a world class product out that free version. This kind of mentality will not take the company anywhere let alone country.
Please bring ISRO officers into DRDO and HAL after they are retired from ISRO. Their expertise and experience in ISRO of utilizing limited resources and completing the projects in time and with success will help bring some discipline in HAL and DRDO
What most shocking is IAF allow this to happen for decades and did nothing about it by sacrificing its flying crew. Amazing! ..that's what you call yourself souparr pawwerrr?
Podcast is good, but too much cluttering and stammering from the guest. Pls avoid it
Anna probably got a job offer from HAL/DRDO
THis is the sign of INdia becoming super power
The government must exit these companies and privatise.
It's the only way to survive and deliver
Everything sarkari is not always bad, ISRO is case in point. Yes, there is friction with IAF, but the path to self reliance is not easy. We can't keep importing.
IAF chief tell the truth to the Nation without fear, he is a great Chief
Nonsense. Our engineers are top of quality and the crashes were due to Hinduism and special position of Indian people
😂😂😂 it's due to miracle churches healing our helicopters.....😊
Obviously, India needs to rethink her aerospace industrial structure and commit more funds to its R&D and HR development. HAL has too many things on its plate and profits only on their mind.
HAL might be incompetent but Delays in MRFA are not HALs fault. Rafale has been chosen as the aircraft in 2011, why do you need competion again of same aircrafts? That’s not HAL fault. I remember Gen Rawat had said by Rafale in chunks 36 , what is this obsession with big deals
Bcoz when something fails, you need people to blame. So one blames the other. It's actually a collective failure of the "Indian taking for granted way while having a loud mouth system". Even a country like Turkey has built a fifth gen fighter on its own, while we are struggling with Tejas. However, news channels are still showing if we acquire Su-57, we will be the fourth country after US, China and Russia to have a 5th gen fighter. What kind of an exaggeration is this when around 10 countries are already using F 35😅?
YES, Very fact. ...HAL has proved Hell for the IAF and ..... India.
Sad Situation Boss
At last Indian government Modi government is to blame. With less than 2% of GDP in defense , with China and Pakistan breaking down our neck, not sure what Modi government is thinking. India think spending on defense is wasteful expenditure. We love freebies politics.
Make ex-iaf officers and corporate experts to be the Program managers and supply chain manager in HAL/ADA.
Actually it used to be earlier, in the days when Marut was manufactured. However, with time babus took over and shunted IAF officers out of HAL.
more crush will occur because of very poor quality
Corruption in acquiring companants key cause I have seen sub standard components in rail coach s also sply raiberaly made
The blame also squarely lies at the feet of Government.
Shiv and Dev, Fantastic discussion as always. Can you do a program on this “alphabet soup”of DRDO labs? There are so many of them and I still can’t figure out what most of them do. Some of them i must say have created some good products, but the rest, are they white elephants( or may be not?) Would you able to discuss this in one show?
Not talking of previous govt policy here is being too hard on an organisation
PLEASE MAKE A VIDEO ON AIRBUS HAL NASIK MRO DEAL TOO SOON!!!!
Amazing insights!!...Ardent supporter of breaking the monopoly of HAL ...i wish MoD awards the next 97 to a pvt sector and trust me, Adani, Tata, L&T , Mahindra will establish tje infra, train the workforce and build those sooner than HAL lumbers with the 83...they may even export 36 odd in that same timeframe !
bro looks like bandook wallah
Everything said about HAL could be true… some is definitely true but IAF “was” and to some extent “is” also living in the world of its own.
They seem to be in serious competition with HAL they blame for their ills. This is not the place to describe everything in detail but hope they learn some lessons from their sister force The Indian Navy which is able to get fairly decent quality big ticket hardware built in India.
IAF succeeds in giving impression that IAF shouldn’t buy indigenous equipment. If Indian citizens try to attempt it, they will do anything and everything to defeat the effort such as even denying a pilot to fly Tejas in an air show in 2014 in a gulf country, when Tejas was under development. If you still persist on developing it, they would make sure to change specs midstream. If you still persist, they will hold the order.
It took defense ministry to come out with a list of equipment you cannot import to buck this practice.
Indian citizens wish that the IAF learns and adopts some practices that China, Turkey, the US and Indian Navy in working through the technology development.
L lage ladhe hain
I don't even think we have any edge against paf
Opening statement is a crap. many are arm chair experts. I have been in public sector for more than 2 decades. they had the best people in 1970s & 80s. but the work processes are so cumbersome in govt sector, it does not encourage new ideas added to this promotions were based on bootlicking and reservations - it persists even today. IAF can resign. support all agencies to get your job done - not bullshit in your channel.
the problem is it happened even in private (marwadi) company - my brother an engineer, head of maintenance gets equal salary to the office peon ( a marwadi) -
times are changing a LITTLE BIT RECENTLY. so dont imagine magic will happen - your immature statements. Our defence budget has increased - check. In cong govt no fighters for 20 years, in last 10 years 36 Rafeals and 36 Tejas were added. agreed we require another ~150.
Airforce is very important, but blind purchase is not OK. had we continued working on Maruth aircraft made in 1964 in HAL, had Tejas got funds from 1983 onwards ( on paper approval, very little funds) real funding started in 1993. GTRE, funded for jet engine with no strong push or continuous funding. if govt doesn't care for appreciating the results or funding- there is no incentive to work. please note they were the best brains in the country. ISRO could do better because they don't have to answer any army personnel. also any development takes time - i have first experience I worked for MDL in 1985 and later at other PSU. VTOL aircraft made in UK took 35 years to make, F35 took $40-50 billions and good 15. years to make after making F22
we dont know exactly what is pak budget or quality of equipment - chinese claims cannot be believed. follow a channel CHINA OBSERVER to know some of the capabilities of china. even if they are good I don't care about that. You will end up bankrupt civilian life like pak if keep buying from outside. US and Russia are arm twisting us today- (if we continue to be dependent on them, we will never be able to buy as many as being demanded- so stop crap). I know about US companies- GE ( I worked for them for many years)
the war fare methods have changed - so dont imagine too much. we have alternatives - missile force - cost of fighter approx $100 million + maintenance 3-4 million every year. missiles also cost 0.5 to 5 million. they do form a good defense. now we have 40-50 private drone makers in India - the new warfare. we are not out of options - we dont have to become desperate. even after removed from sanctions in 2008, we could not get a single nuclear power plant from US. SO, its OK for the delay in making things indigenously than buying from outside.
you dont seem to recall that during Congress govt, we didn't have money to make roads or buy aircrafts. so stop ranting without knowing overall picture. this is applicable to the channel also who earn money by talking only and no real contribution.
i find whole damn need for arms is so funny - in wars of ukraine- russia and isreal-gaza. for each missile fired by Hamas costs about $5000-20000. the impact is very less and the isreal defence it costs $25000+ hardly 1 person per missile is eliminated. they are good to destroy big targets. Actual damage is done by missiles fried from ground or air ( mainly missiles are imp not aircraft) now we have kamakazi drones are costing of fuel for a flight. Its appears its great have a strong structures as defence than attacking the opponent.
ALH Dhruv (HAL) crash of January 5, is big bad news that is reflective of HAL's capability! Here is further bad news. Ecuadorean Air Force that ordered for them, has suffered 4 crashes & grounded her whole fleet of these. They canceled further (intended) orders. Also they turned down our offer of repair & improvement that is rather sheep-faced (ought not to have been done). And put the rest of her fleet on sale, for anyone to buy! It has brought down the name of our military exports crashing to ground. We lost reputation. Crash by an Indian operator is one thing, but by an operator half the way round the globe, is worse! That plainly smacks of incompetence in all aspects of "production". Anything can be suspect - production methodology, the French-designed engine (as well as our production of it) & last but not the least, our certification and inspection procedures before delivery! instead of finding a scapegoat, it is worth our while to delve deep into all aspects now.
ALH has been designed & produced specifically for our high-altitude operations (service ceiling 6100 m), unique in the world. Ecuador that has high-atlitudes like India (Andes is the next highest mountain range that has "six thousanders -above 6000m height" anywhere in all continents). Perhaps Ecuador considered this aspect before ordering, but we've rushed through - to export them, without gaining confidence in operational performance. The high-altitude performance aspect needs to be checked, for which their data is required. But a crash at sea-level here in India, rules that out! Comprehensive investigation may be necessary (involving the German MBB too).
Two more, based on this platform - LCH Prachand (with enhanced service ceiling at 6500 m, the highest anywhere in world) & Rudra-WSI too, may need a hard look into their accident proneness, in performance. At this stage it is better not to rush through to "export" this product (loss of face is worse than lack of exports), but wait till these acquire a decent operational (accident free) performance.
Corrupt organisation
for everyone blaming hal, gtre is laughing in the corner.
What is the need of fighter aircraft without it's arsenal...it is just a flying cockpit....Hope airforce also understand the same....Kudos to DRDO's effort for making these happen ..otherwise all Airforce imported fighters would have been a flying balloon....why these SU 30 MK to become SU30 MKI....
Probably time to make Mr. Subrahmanyam or Mr.Narayanamurthy run HAL😁😁 let us see if HAL is progressing with 70/90 hrs work week idea
This Heli was rejected by all major clients. It is sad that armed forces have to settle with this shitty Heli.
Govt has been sleeping for last 10 years over fighter Jet acquisitions. We should have gone for other options or should have bargained with France and procured 80 to 90 Rafales instead of paltry 36!
With larger numbers of Rafales, we could have settled for 2 types of Tejas: one with Russian Engines and other with US engines. HAL already has exp with Russian engines.
When Tejas was being designed, the IAF wanted it to become the best jet in the world. Hence it used the state of the art American engines instead of inferior by readily available Russian engines. It's FBW was 100% digital & was developed by Lockheed Martin. Even Rafael had a digital-,analog FBW system. And this extends to the entire jet. Nose cone, canopy, ejection seat all best in the world. This makes Tejas very complex & as a result is difficult to manufacture & maintain.
@soumabratabiswas6652 70% of techs are imported by HAL or produced under license including the radars. The biggest tragedy facing India's armed forces is the so called Make in India obsession. We simply cannot settle for sub standard weapons just for the sake of Make in India. Import tech if we cannot develop it because we have powerful enemies. Our economy has been mismanaged and our leaders do not have any vision. Better not to play with our national security, that is severly under looming threat.
@gurusastropalmistry2214 Using imported tech you cannot win any war, history is testament to that. All major powers understand that. David Ben-Gurion first PM of Israel had said that if a domestic weapon performs even 50% of a foreign weapon it's good enough to win the war. Deng Xiaopeng the leader of China in the 80's said foreign weapons are like neighbours son, however hood they may be it's your own son which looks after you however bad he may be. Look where China & Israel are at the moment. Atmanirbharta is the key to our victory.
PLEASE dont have the precap in the beginning. Spoils the podcast
All coffin flying 😭 taking our pilot life
HAL, BEL all so called 'navratana' are useless organization . its important that adani and ambani come in. These babus of HAL are useless.
Let us send you to F-22😂😂😂😂😮
HAL or HELL is a quip that only Indians can come up with.
China definitely cannot compete in thy production of jokes.
Not true for everything else unfortunately....
Well, IAF Chief should also look into their own "Griebaan" before pointing fingers at others. Its easy to criticize, DRDO & HAL (Yes! They should be held accountable & they have done mistakes), when they can't defend themselves or have the same effect on people like an IAF Chief has.
IAF will import anything & everything at the drop of a hat!
What have they done to help DRDO & HAL? Did they put pressure on GoI along with IN for Kaveri Engine funding & related infra development? NO! They were dilly-dallying on the Tejas/Tejas Mk 1A itself, before Manohar Ji pushed them along with AMCA.
Why didn't they take the initiative along with IN for joint development for an Aero & Marine Kaveri? Oh; how can they, they were busy with decade long MRCA/MRFA circus along with GoI. How much does DRDO get for R&D?
Talk is cheap & easy, actions are harder. Also used a Noise level issue on LUH, just when everything was fine for years, how convenient.
Changing requirements between the programs to stall the program, then crying over delay . Just look at USAF/RuAF/PLAAF they, actively participate in their own programs, small or big doesn't matter, they also have significant R&D & other facilities with them.
Committee pe Committee banao, foreign trip pe jao & lament own without looking at own mistakes & problems.
What makes ISRO so much better than DRDO or HAL?
So many crashes of Imported aircraft and helicopter within it's life cycle but no reports were make public just because of airforce leadership/bureaucratic wishlist (Nehru Glammatic way)...Make in India taken shape in 2014 prior to that no sync between Airforce and HCL ?????...Both should come out of comfort zone
Might be air chief Marshall got better commission offer from other countries that's why he is in hurry.
Extremely hollow analysis by shiv, ill informed,
For Tejas more than 13000 parts and almost all of LRUs required are sourced by private sector companies based in India
The decision to choose GE as an engine was taken by MOD
Rightly said. HAL is actually a good systems integrator.
what about first 40. dumbo
Dont worry. Modi government had declared 2025 is year of reformation
HAL will produce 40 tejas monthly to narrow the gap with china😂
Oh my god, Dev needs to shorten his process of asking questions.