The most important point of this podcast : "AMCA programme to be transferred under PMO, just like ISRO" to expedite it's development and treat it as a project of utmost urgency !
I don't think HAL can deliver on time. AMCA production to be done by private/ IAF itself required staff pull out from HAL and new joining. I hope the design team , IAF fighter pilot team and manufacturer team sit together except for the amazing product fifth generation onwards. Above all the team leader must have access to the PM, defence minister and finance minister. With every weekend discussion with reports of the project. Make sure the team leader never has a shortage of money at any given time,
Every single politician and bureaucrat is responsible. Rajnath Singh is now responsible for having wasted the last 6 years. They need to make a retired air Marshall defense minister
Pranam Major Gaurav Arya sir &Air Marshal Shri Anil chopra, good conversation between you two,listening very interesting topic,thank you👏 for you geopolitics knowledge . Jai hind sir 🇮🇳. Vanade Mataram 🇮🇳. Bharat Mata ki Jai 🇮🇳.
I wanted to understand how we can solve the engine issue, be it F414 or Kaveri ? And secondly, who was responsible for delaying the indigenous engine programme for so long? Why is Tejas delayed by so many years, when it started in 1984? Was the DRDO, ADA, IAF or Govt responsible or all of the above?
Who was in 1984 to 2014 maximum time Congress,they didn't invested just to make Chinese happy.. unfortunate for BHARAT.. yes Modi government is trying their best but it will take it's time.. Jai Hind
Absolutely agreed with what Chopra sir said. It's important to acknowledge the evolving scenario of air warfare in South Asia. While indigenisation must be a priority for India, it shouldn't come at the cost of our existing national security concerns. Many a times, rationality gets overtaken by emotions when we speak of this topic, but this is one of the handful of times (and people!) who emphasize rationality and facts over sentiments and popular opinion. Thank you very much for this podcast sir!
I was a student in 2001, India Government started discussing MRCA of 128. My daughter in higher secondary now and all we could manage to get in these 23 years is 36 Rafales and a few sub standard LCA's. Some pav bhajji processes have been put by god knows who and no Government has been able to scrap the process. Armed Forces should have a dedicated budget and not allocation. Calculate GDP and Joint Military Command should have 4% of GDP. Just standard 4% and relay your purchases to Parliament for any course correction if need be after the purchase is made(not before). Let Armed forces decide what they want than these Dhotidhaari and Gutkha Chewing Politicians decide it in the parliament.
At a fraction of the cost, raise a drone Army. With, entire spectrum of roles. Loitering drones. Target tracking following drones Targets designation drones. Weapons delivery drones. 155mm cannon projectile, Target eliminating drones. The Ukrainian war has demonstrated, that Aircrafts, tanks, cannot dominate a contested area.
@kunalpandey1672 >> Acha. Manipur may kaun sa chidiya uud raha hai, 2 din say? Punjab may, Jammu may, Peer Panjal may. These aggressions are by which Gen Aircrafts, helicopters?
@@aviator9985 you can't just compare apples with oranges...static or slow moving targets can be targeted by drones and UAVs but not supersonic and hypersonic objects
Sir I think the only solution to fast track the production of fighter jets we must use the unused potential of Private sector. Government must invite Private entities with funding and assured minimum order of fighter jets that can run assembly lines for atleast 15 years.And one more thing government must spend in R&D to develop critical technologies,as very critical technologies are never for sell.for example jet engines.
Govt doesn't want to spend.... Defence spending is 1.9% of GDP...This is not an ideal spending for a country surrounded by two hostile neighbours in which one is almost becoming a superpower and other is a terrorist nation..
Americans will be reluctant to sell F-35 to any country that operates S400 or any of the most advanced Russian Air defense systems. F-35 Stealth characteristics must be kept secret at all cost from being studied by enemies air defenses for weaknesses.
@@MonkWay_You think US is keen to sell 36 F35s to India for money only...(A country who is spending whooping 800 Billion dollars on defence )They will provide F35 only if there's self interests are fulfilled...Only option for India is either go with SU57 or 5 squadrons of Rafale...
Atleast focus on easy shorter solutions: 1- Improve Su30 and Migs with Aesa radars 2- Improve the weapons package , electronic warfare capacity and standoff distance for all aircraft’s 3- Improve current trainers to enable them to do CAS 4- Improve the production capacity for Tejas now itself ( even with current constraints) 5- Improve all drones to be UCAV capable ( forget predator ) get whatever we can not so expensive 6 - Add atleast 3 Netra 7- Budget only allows Gripen for MRFA. Get 114 Gripen Focus on atleast 1-6 in coming 3 years. Sorry to say whatever was said here is not concrete or executable in short notice. One expects a better plan from experts!! Whatever is spoken in this interview is something kids are saying for past 2 years watching Defence on RUclips!! ( no disrespect intended) 🙏
@@shashibhushan3953 gripen has common parts with Tejas. It’s cheapest in life cycle cost not to mention per unit cost. What’s the point of choosing Rafale in 2015 and not ordering it till 2025? Anyways focus on 1-6 atleast
As u seem knowledgeable lil bit can i ask u something out of curiosity that Why tejas being so lightweight is imp for us I mean like now turkey also have kaan and we r still at tejas and Why we bought rafale which were quite old tech like shouldn't we have been gone with some latests tech,kya is se jyada koi farq nhi pdta warfare me or latest tech lena bhut mushkil hai, And last question though may be tumhe na pta ho,when we all know how imp for us the weapons are as having pak,china and hostile Bangladesh in our backyard why HAL proceedings are still like an avg govt department,why PM isn't taking it with much seriousness,
@@crackshotYT 1- the concept is from late 80s where a west switched to light aircraft’s F16 and Mirage as ex. Tejas was visioned to replace Mig21 ( light aircraft) and was suppose to be similar to Mirage. The new projects are more focused on Medium and AMCA. It’s just we are too inefficient ( govt, armed forces and PSU ) 2- When MMRCA was placed Rafale was the best available aircraft for IAF on certain grounds that is why it was chosen. Rafale by no means is outdated. It will keep getting upgraded. We actually planned 5th gen early with PAK-FA but then pulled out. I think pulling out of Su57 was a mistake. There are no other 5th gen fighters even today available to buy. So Rafale is good decision. Considering the overall picture I believe IAF should have ordered Gripen in 2015-16 3- I think all govt organizations are corrupt and in efficient. You don’t need a PM to make people on job to be responsible! I even think IAF has actually failed. They don’t have a plan neither is there vision clear for next 10 years. Just saying we need 42 squadrons is not a professional plan that people will admire you for. I think Navy here does a lot better job. I don’t know , maybe what I write above doesn’t make sense to IAF, but I do believe that we should not sit and wait for aircraft to be ordered. Lot of things are currently with us to improve
A layman, like me, a 10th pass, knows it well, The USA 🇺🇸 was willing to shift its entire F16 manufacturing plant to INDIA if we select the American F16. MRFA is going for 25 years. Now, it's time to purchase American fighter jets. F35 at least 5 squadrons ,F16 10 squadrons, F15EX 10 squadrons, and Rafael 10 squadrons. If you don't want to spend money, you are putting the country in a valunerable situation. All ready, China has got 200 J20,and the numbers will be reaching 1000 and on. The number of squadrons I have mentioned may seem crazy, but in reality, if you order them, it take time to get them in numbers. Be wise, take decisions swiftly, and timely strongly 💪. From Thoothukudi Tamil Nadu INDIA ❤️ 🇮🇳.
But China wit big squadron reliable air force compare to India. China weapen not proved of war. Yes l do agree India need to built up their own defense capability. I believe India can save the nation. India pilots navy have excellent record today world. Am Malaysia convert Muslim. I love Russia India n oocourse Malaysia.
Bro we can't completely dependent of f 16 f 35 stuffs because American weapons comes with a promise that you can use it in war only with us approvals. This is the situation of pak f 16 now they dont allow pak to carry nuclear weapons
Every single politician and bureaucrat is responsible. Rajnath Singh is now responsible for having wasted the last 6 years. They need to make a retired air Marshall defense minister
Major sahab......... I would like to give a humble suggestion, The audio quality is quite bad for the GAP, please try to make arrangements for Increasing audio quality
Why not have a 1000 4th Gen aircraft while waiting waiting still waiting for our 5th Gen aircraft. Like our population we should aim for huge volumes in all types of equipment
Unless we involve private sector in manufacturing of fighter aircrafts India cannot increase it's squadrons quickly. India should involve the Tata's, Mahindra's, etc. or purchase readily available fighter aircraft's.
Waatt to abhi lagi hui hai !!! every 3 months IAF crashes a plane and all this while having deficit of 12 squadrons. Last month Su30 crashed and few days ago a Mig29.
No, he talked about FGFA, which was joint venture between Russia and India to make SU-57, but India pulled off as it is not comparable to other 5th gen jets
@@HarshKumar-zd2ci the Su-57 is an air superiority fighter which comes with autonomous drone 'Okhotnik' which is a deadly combination..i.e., enough to counter chinese J20.. they 've opened a new production plant in the far east now which 'll ramp up their production line...similarly they can do so in India... a rafale costs 1500-1700crore..an Su-57 costs just 400-700cr per jet in american dollar which is way more advanced in stealth, avionics, electronic suits, smart weapons etc., & everything than the rafale...since it's a 5th gen jet...!
R&D in every field is the back bone of a prosper country .Top 5 companies Tata,Reliance ,Adani,Mahindra must come together to sponsor a private R&D in all possible field .Make India Great.
Indians talk about the glorious IITs. The fund for research for these top institutions are much less than research funds of a mid level university in USA. The number of research papers of international standards is neglible even compared to Chinese universities.
As of now, we need to invest in the 5th generation aircraft killing capabilities...!! As well as build capabilities to fight even without an Airforce I am not saying we do not need Airforce or we should not be building a modern Airforce but we shouldn't ignore ingenuity and frugal technologies...!!
France ne bhi dhokha de diya ,, Rafale deal me ToT ke bahut se pact sign huye the , France denied them all Now France is selling Rafale for Indian Navy at very high price , even we are their old customers
Very knowledgeable and interesting podcast sir. I understood some key points about the problem and the industry, please hold more podcasts like these. 🫡🫡
Pakistani AF is looking at procuring all of these by 2027 which means in 3-4 years time their airforce will look like this. J17 (4.5 Gen) J10C (4.5 Gen) F16 (4 Gen) J31 (5 Gen) PFX (4++/5 Gen) KAAN (5 Gen) Think where we stand 😭😭😭
Indian Air Fore- 90 Additional Rafale, Indian Navy- 24 F35B to be operated from IN Helicopter carriers in Indian Ocean. Rest focus on Indigenous program with Tejas MK1A, Tejas Mark2, AMCA(Project under PMO) with public private participation. Let Rafale and F35 be the last batch of foreign Aircraft we acquire. And our forces need to look themself as a single unit of defence. Whatever equipment we add is not just added to services but to Nation as whole. 3 forces worked very well jointly during galwan crisis. We had P-8I, Mig 29k deployed along with IAF assest. This jointness is the way forward.
India needs to become a War time Economy with minimum 9% GDP dedicated to Defence to become ready for a minimum 4 front War (Bangladesh, Maldives) + bigger Pakistan within.
Turkey in 4 year launch its 5 th generation fighter jet . But our country after 10 year also we donot know where is its AMCA . If no engine then twin Kaveri engine should be put in fighter jet and fighter jet should be produced .
Logistics for F35 maintanence are already complicated for the Nato partners, for India (specifically during conflict) it would be a liability. Also, US keeps control of all the data and communication links. I don't know why such simple things are not being mentioned.
India 🇮🇳 enters the F-35 deal to ensure America keeps a steady and disciplined supply of the GE-404/414 engines crucial for the Tejas programme. If America slackens or reneges.... It'll be interesting whether India enters a parallel deal with the Russians for the Su-75 5th gen. fighter plane. India should add licenced production of 350 planes to further sweeten the deal. .
Wow! The short of equips\procurement is already prevalent! But the exact stats and the way Anil sir and you compiled it!! Hats off sir!! 🫡 Happy teachers’ day sir! ❤️❤️
Jai hind major saab. Wonderful Podcast. learnt a lot about all the aspects. Thanks a ton for the video and Keep doing it. Thanks again. Jaihind, vandemataram, Bharat mata ki Jai.
I have some thoughts , analysing the whole defence procurement strategy since 2014. 1. MRFA / formerly MMRCA is waiting for something . Since 5th generation technology is one of its criteria now - we are looking at flight of Rafale F5 and the Su75 . The French plane which would be an active semi stealth fighter jet would fly in its latest variant in 2027- the same year when the Su75 is slotted to take to the skies. Both Dassault and Sukhoi plan to build assembly lines within India if their equipment is selected. Dassault already has a factory in Nasik, meanwhile Russia is looking for avenues to invest Rupees in - where the Sukhoi can have plants that supply commercial orders of their fighters. 100 pcs of the said platform would be taken up. Right now, the problem with Rafale is that they have a long list of customers who already ordered the F4 variants and only after those had been supplied in full could the new variant be made - however if India is willing to avail 100 units, the Nasik plant would be used calling for components import from France. Su75 onnthe other hand is a new plane and all that would be imported would be the engine and airframe - because the rest of it , avionics, EW suite, radar and many critical components would be indigenous. We know that the Su30mki Super Sukhoi upgrade would be fully indigenous. 2. Tejas Mk1A would be reinforcing the decommissioned MiG21 Bison squadrons. Su30mkis have already fully replaced the MiG23/25/27 squadrons . Tejas Mk2 would be replacing the Mirage 2000, MiG29 and Sepecat Jaguars - all whose life had been extended for another 20 years. But all are 4th Gen fighter jets, numbering 120 would be rivaling the J10C and F16 of hostile neighbours. So it's just replacement we are working on in this point. To reach the sanctioned 42 squadrons for real, we need the 5th Gen fighters of MRFA and AMCA. 3. Engine : Here we would be having logistics burden again. Two American variants F404, F414 , one French variant M88 , two Russian variants Al31 and RD33. Now , if we select a fifth Gen fighter of foreign origin, which is not a Rafale variant , we are looking at another new engine to maintain - either Pratt Whitney or the Izdeliye 30. Hence , we are working on the Kaveri and trying to engineer many variants of it - which would be used on all our platforms in future. Either as replacements or on new platforms. Kaveri right now is going to get an afterburning section in a couple of years - which if successful would be powering second half of Tejas Mk1A. This projected 90 Kn afterburning Kaveri is aimed at replacing GE F404 and M88 units during mid life upgrades. The 90kn unit would be further worked on two get a 110 kn dry thrust variant for use on Mk2 and AMCA - which are slated to use the 116kn afterburning GE F414. But an engine whose dry thrust would be 110kn , would be producing 140kn on afterburners - making its thrust at par with the F22's P&W units. Meanwhile, there is nothing to fear from PRC - if you fly stealth in numbers at once , you would not be that stealthy anymore. So , not all numbers translates into effective offense in hostile situations . Especially, when there would be S400s on ground and Rafale in air to take potshots at incoming packages. We have to keep building our forces and support the administration which aims to indigenise all our platforms and induct them , quickly.
The only way to reach squadrons that are relevant by 2029 is to buy every serviceable retired Mirage 2000 and upgrade them in-house. Add a few MiG-29s as well. IAF needs no additional support infrastructure. For the interim select the Korean KF-21 stealth aircraft which is recently operational and similar to AMCA1. KAI could even help accelerate AMCA. F-35 may not be a real option as it will have too many strings attached.
Initial production of KF21 will use F414 engine. This is not a stealth compatible engine with super cruise capabilities and low IR signature. Only later interation of KF21 will have their home grown 5th Gen engine. If India place order now, they will only get the 4.5 Gen version of KF21 with F414 engine.
@@marimuthu14 It’s a new design and still has plenty of scope for development. We will get get a head start for AMCA. AMCA will also use GE F414 and so will Tejas Mk2.
First Mirage 2000 were limited to 3 squadrons and now only two squadrons of Rafale. Seems there is something amiss when India goes for western technology. Jaguar being exception but has limited capability
What I understood from this podcast. 1. India has the strength and money. But they're not showing it. 2. Jet engine collaboration as soon as possible with whoever suits the best under PMO. 3. Make 2-3 variants of AMCA. One with foreign collaboration, one completely made in India. So, it'll be easier to fill the Gap. 4. Start procurement of all needed jets from France and USA. For present situation. Even if we start working on it today. We'll get it after 5 years at least so till 2030 we'll get it. 5 Tejas and Kaveri must be produce with utmost importance. But they should be built as finished products in India. We should start producing at least 24-36 jets in a year and it should be done under PMO. Then there will be no issues regarding funds allocation. 6. India has growing market and very large capital. We must use it to develop weapons in India on a large scale. Bring all the friendly foreign companies to build their labs or factories here so India could build the weapons here. Now with all these, may be India's reserved capital of 700 billions will get affected for next 2-3 years but now we have the market and things are going well for us. We should invest this money for our future.
Very nice chat majaor saab and its eye opening talk with former air force officer I think Indian defence procurement committee has to think twice and aggressively and fast track the mrfa program even faster
Pak turkey sa latest drone la chuka aur china pak ko j10 ka baad 5th generation fighter jets da raha aur pak apni Air Force power ko latest jf 17 third version ma convert kar raha aur attacking role ma F16 , J10 and 5th generation j31 ready ho raha it’s all means ya ka pak is fully ready ka apni last 25 years sa against india military supremacy ko qaim rakha. Pakistan 💚long live.
Amazing Content as usual. If to get F35 is not possible we need to get F21 or more Rafales yes Transfer of Technology should be 💯. Hopefully this gets sorted out soon. Rightly pointed Out They should be directly inclined with PMO rather than begging for permissions & delays in regards to AMCA program. And also speed up the process of Tejas MK 2 & AMCA 🤘🏻💯🇮🇳
The Indian Air Force’s (IAF) strategy to move directly from the Tejas single-engine Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) to the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) raises questions about the risks involved in bypassing an intermediate development stage. This intermediate stage would ideally include the development of a twin-engine aircraft using the indigenous Kaveri engine, which has yet to be tested in such a configuration. Here’s a critical examination of the strategic considerations in this approach: 1. Risk of Insufficient Testing for Kaveri Engines The Kaveri engine program has faced significant challenges over its development timeline, with limitations in thrust and reliability testing. The IAF’s leap directly to AMCA, a fifth-generation stealth fighter, assumes that the Kaveri engine will perform adequately in a twin-engine setup without extensive in-field validation. An intermediate twin-engine aircraft, perhaps in the form of a prototype or limited series production, could provide the necessary data on operational durability, performance under combat conditions, and adaptability to various mission profiles. Skipping this step risks deploying unproven engines on an advanced platform, potentially compromising reliability and mission success. 2. Technology Maturity and Risk Management The Tejas platform, while impressive, represents a different class of aircraft than the AMCA, with fewer operational complexities and lower power demands due to its single-engine design. Transitioning directly from Tejas to the AMCA increases the engineering and logistical challenges since a stealth-capable, twin-engine platform with cutting-edge systems will push the Kaveri engine to its limits. An intermediate twin-engine platform would allow the Kaveri engine to mature in a more forgiving environment and build a progressive foundation for the AMCA program. 3. Cost Implications of AMCA Failures Developing a twin-engine aircraft with the Kaveri engine as an intermediate step may seem costly at first, but it could save resources in the long run. If the AMCA suffers from significant engine failures or underperformance due to insufficient Kaveri testing, the IAF may face considerable additional costs for retrofitting, redesigning, or even replacing engine components post-production. Developing an intermediate Kaveri-powered platform could mitigate this risk and offer more budget stability by allowing incremental improvements based on real-world feedback. 4. Optimizing Production Timelines The IAF’s current strategy to jump directly to AMCA could face delays if the Kaveri engine reveals critical issues that need to be resolved, slowing down the entire timeline. An intermediate twin-engine project would allow India’s aerospace industry to parallelize development by addressing Kaveri’s limitations while continuing AMCA research. This way, both programs can progress with reduced dependency on each other’s schedules, leading to faster and more efficient advancements. 5. Strategic Independence and Self-Reliance Relying on the imported GE engines for Tejas aligns with India’s immediate defense needs but does little for self-reliance in critical areas like engine technology. Bypassing an intermediate twin-engine Kaveri-powered aircraft could mean that India’s indigenous engine development remains under-validated, undermining the long-term goal of self-reliant defense. By introducing a Kaveri-powered twin-engine platform, the IAF can demonstrate genuine strides in indigenous capabilities, increasing confidence in India’s ability to produce a fully indigenous AMCA down the line. Conclusion Directly advancing from the Tejas to the AMCA is an ambitious strategy, but it comes with significant risks that could impact the program’s success. Developing an intermediate twin-engine aircraft with Kaveri engines offers a phased approach, enabling essential real-world testing, reducing long-term costs, and aligning better with India’s goals of defense self-reliance. This intermediate step would allow the IAF to fully understand and refine Kaveri’s performance under twin-engine conditions, making it a more reliable option for a critical platform like the AMCA.
Excellent Guest Major Sahab and only a True Patriot will bring such Topic to main stream, to eliminate our Vulnerabilities we need to identify our weakness first. But my only worry is that the govt understand these Gaps as our core issues. The guest analysis were EnPointe. My 2 cents here, if we need to bring competitive advantage in India then start involving Private companies in the mix like US does the same. For e.g; let's say US Airforce need a particular type of aircraft they will invite the Best companies in the race like for e.g; Boeing, McDonnell Douglas or Lockheed Martin and they would share their specs along with initial funding for R&D to bring up the Prototype. Then Airforce would evaluate the Prototype of all companies and choose which one is the best fit for them and then that company will eventually win the deal for major production. Same thing needs to be incorporated here in India if we need to build Aircraft fast. We need to kill the Monopoly and start involving Private Companies that is the must and Govt shouldn't be too much worried thinking what opposition will say. Also, to plug the current Gap as the Respected Guest said we need to place order soon and buy ready made aircraft and what he suggested were perfect. Also few years back Sanjayji from The Jaipur Dialogues did a Podcast explaining the issues with Modern Fighter aircraft and that explains in detail why Western jets are the best. I mean the American Radar alone gives you the Power of God in Airforce terms to a Pilot. They can look out extremely far and the way they handle augmentation of instrumentation cluster is mind blowing. Also, we need not worry too much about the Chinese junk they call J20 or whatever that $h!t maybe, That aircraft hardly has any stealth characteristics, I mean there was a report that Indian Rafael was able to Detect J20 right from our territory. Also, their Jet Engines are all junk and rated for very poor performance. Americans jet engines are the best in the world, no wonder all over the world many companies who may build aircraft shells but they buy jet engines from American companies. Even our Tejas engines use American GE engines for the same reason. They use some Rare earth element and Crystal Blade tech to build the Fins of the Jet Turbines which does manage Heat dissipation very effectively, hence they run far longer than any other engines. Our Govt should work out a deal to procure 10 Squadron of F35 on a war footing front and probably the remaining squadrons of Rafael Soon. I mean on a war footing front, the order should have been placed like 5 years back.
I think we must commence developing anti stealth technologies. May be a suitable surveillance radar coupled with forward deployed SAM systems (along with guidance radars/ EO/ IR) which are network centred with surveillance radar (longer distance). Kind of a SAM trap. Just a thought...
India will eventually buy F-35 or SU-57 to compete with China, it doesn’t matter how bad JF-20 is, they have something we can’t even have for another 15 years and lot could happen with JF-20 in these 15 years, also they have the number advantage.
Lockheed is offering india F-21 which is most advanced verison of f-16, and also offered transfer of technology, but the americans havent offered india F-35 yet , while F-15 EX can be an export version for the india, These are only 3 options for the india. Sweden also offered SAAB GRIPER Electronic warfare version to the india as well which is 4.5++ generaitons aircraft.
Are you forgetting the South Korean Fighters that are much like the AMCA and also uses F414. They would do splendidly as stop gap for AMCA and much more economical. They would also be willing to make in India.
Major Gaurav - this problem of defence acquisition, especially fighter aircraft to maintain a reasonable air superiority in the region knowing the neighbors and their inventory has been an issue since just after independence. No nation in the world will ever give a full know-how of the aircraft engines. To expect that a nation will be eagerly waiting to receive a major order with the attached rider to share knowledge / manufacture in India is only deluding ourselves. We are in a panic situation now after knowing the preparedness of our adversary in the north but will be more prone to making mistakes that will impact us in the near future. We need to be always prepared for any country to ditch us at the time when we most need some critical parts/equipment for aircraft bought from them. A polite way would be telling us that they already have a huge backlog of orders from other countries while a more aggressive way would be through imposing sanctions. So what is the answer? The answer is keep developing in-house capability. It may take some time but with a determined effort and timelines this can be achieved. In the meantime with our existing strength in missile technology we need to take up on a war footing to develop ways to defend against 5th generation aircraft. This will also be cost effective while we arm the squadrons with aircraft having current capabilities but better fire power. A suggestion on similar lines is what needs to be looked at instead of just trying to look for a few aircraft which will take a lot of time to acquire and make them operational.
This month old conversation: PM Modi should talk about F35 or at least F21 Actual Modi-Biden conversation: Stryker vehicles, Sig Suaer rifles .. Who the hell is setting PM’s agenda??
Modiji has made a joke of our Airforce.. and the time has been lost, now no matter what u do, we cant have anything well upto 2035.. and above all this, this govt cuts tue defense budget to a mere 1.8% in last 2 years, from the earlier 2.8%.. joke being played on our forces.. i voted these guys, but they must be criticised for their careless attitude towards our Airforce.. shame on these politicians that our pilots fly 1960s Mig21 in 2024.. shame!!! M annoyed 😡 we all are 😡😡 be grateful that our Forces arent like pakistan, else airforce would probably have revolted by now..!! 😏
Firstly, Modiji brought those Rafaels. More orders are given. Drdo, is boosted to power in this time. Are this government doing enough? Still don't thik so, we need way way more. But is it doing better than previous government, definitely yes. Our army will never revolt. Definitely not in this government. This government is most army friendly. Do we need better development system and robust arms industry , he'll yes. Is the government doing it , I think not enough, we need more funding.
You are mocking modi . But he was the only one who bought 36 rafale , getting private companies , increasing defence exports . You are nothing but a congress fan . Who are more interested in khata khat
@@antrikshbhatnagar nah.. in value terms yes.. but our gdp has increased much more.. ethically our budget should have been 100Bn$.. Since 2000s, India consistently spent 2.5-3% of GDP on defense.. Since 2022, the budget has been down to 1.9% and this 1.8% of gdp.. So even though in value terms, its almost 75-80Bn$, but in reality in gdp terms it has been reduced drastically… defense experts have shown alot of concern.. Even US at such big economy spends 3%, UK spending 3% too this year.. we have messed up bigtime..
@Rocky-pz8px oh. Of course, it will affect our R&D of both amca and jet engines. This hampers our future security. Atleast give better salaries to people at DRDO. They deserve it..
Nice and informative discussion. In my opinion PM Modi has delayed expansion of IAF fighter fleet and also delayed procuring attack drones in last ten years of his rule.
The great man Marx's evaluation of India's history made me see it clearly. -----India is not one of the ancient civilizations, nor does it have its own complete history. On July 22, 1853, the great revolutionary mentor Marx published "The Future Results of British Rule in India" in Britain, in which he wrote: "If the entire history of India is really history, India is actually a history of being conquered by foreign nations and foreign countries again and again. India itself has no history, or India has no history known to the world. And we are just looking at the history of one invader after another. India is a country built on this endless negative foundation, and such a country is doomed to have no future."
@@mingmuyiyang8615 With all the ancient monuments still standing and the freedom that many enjoy. I think as an American 🇺🇸 it’s India for us all the way 😎
@@SuperAvantgard Imagine India can do government-led actions in Canada, in the United States. Then what will happen to the Indian government in India against the Indian people? . A moment of silence for the miserable and hard life of the Indian people. It is indeed full of freedom.
Sir, Russia didn't induct or make Su 30 SM until we decided to induct 272 Su 30 MKI's. We now have zero trust in usa and its policies, so zero reliability regarding supplies and independent functionality & support. Rather, in recent times, the finish of Su 57 has been impressive and so have it's capabilities. P.S.:- FGFA was twin seater, PAK-FA was never meant to be twin seater, FGFA was supposed to have 43 improvements over PAK-FA, both were different apart from having certain similarities in airframe & engine wise.
Salute to both of you sir i a small man feel there is immidiate threat of war looming on china border and pakistan is waiting for china signal we need a strong air force 42 squadron means 42 fully equiped sqns better to buy 2 sqns of stealth f 35 and 4 more sqns of rafeil immdtly to add exting fleet and go on your 5th generation work
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The most important point of this podcast : "AMCA programme to be transferred under PMO, just like ISRO" to expedite it's development and treat it as a project of utmost urgency !
AMCA will be an another Tejas. AMCA will be an outdated one even if it gets launched today.
I don't think HAL can deliver on time. AMCA production to be done by private/ IAF itself required staff pull out from HAL and new joining. I hope the design team , IAF fighter pilot team and manufacturer team sit together except for the amazing product fifth generation onwards.
Above all the team leader must have access to the PM, defence minister and finance minister. With every weekend discussion with reports of the project. Make sure the team leader never has a shortage of money at any given time,
As a child, I used to wonder how a nation like India could not able to resist wave after waves of invading forces. Now I know.
😂😂😂 dude killed it... unfortunately we r fooked...
This committee that committee end of the day one committeee that is defeat committeee😢
Every single politician and bureaucrat is responsible. Rajnath Singh is now responsible for having wasted the last 6 years. They need to make a retired air Marshall defense minister
Rajnath work for ISI
Incompetence and procrastination are the shining value of indian defence procurement and research
If you can't build your own jet engine then don't even expect Tejas ,1,2,...even in 2045
Pranam Major Gaurav Arya sir &Air Marshal Shri Anil chopra, good conversation between you two,listening very interesting topic,thank you👏 for you geopolitics knowledge .
Jai hind sir 🇮🇳.
Vanade Mataram 🇮🇳.
Bharat Mata ki Jai 🇮🇳.
I wanted to understand how we can solve the engine issue, be it F414 or Kaveri ? And secondly, who was responsible for delaying the indigenous engine programme for so long? Why is Tejas delayed by so many years, when it started in 1984? Was the DRDO, ADA, IAF or Govt responsible or all of the above?
give r&d to private players like tata aerospace, m&m aerospace etc.
Confused government, strategies and policies. Don't expect good things from any governments ( left or right wing) from India.
its not possible, because india has not the metallurgic possibilities.
@@babahanuman83 💯 correct because it never invested money in others sectors. Poor vision with no confidence
Who was in 1984 to 2014 maximum time Congress,they didn't invested just to make Chinese happy.. unfortunate for BHARAT.. yes Modi government is trying their best but it will take it's time.. Jai Hind
Absolutely agreed with what Chopra sir said. It's important to acknowledge the evolving scenario of air warfare in South Asia. While indigenisation must be a priority for India, it shouldn't come at the cost of our existing national security concerns. Many a times, rationality gets overtaken by emotions when we speak of this topic, but this is one of the handful of times (and people!) who emphasize rationality and facts over sentiments and popular opinion.
Thank you very much for this podcast sir!
I was a student in 2001, India Government started discussing MRCA of 128. My daughter in higher secondary now and all we could manage to get in these 23 years is 36 Rafales and a few sub standard LCA's. Some pav bhajji processes have been put by god knows who and no Government has been able to scrap the process. Armed Forces should have a dedicated budget and not allocation. Calculate GDP and Joint Military Command should have 4% of GDP. Just standard 4% and relay your purchases to Parliament for any course correction if need be after the purchase is made(not before). Let Armed forces decide what they want than these Dhotidhaari and Gutkha Chewing Politicians decide it in the parliament.
And that is why R&D is important
But all Indians do is rote learning into IITs
At a fraction of the cost, raise a drone Army.
With, entire spectrum of roles.
Loitering drones.
Target tracking following drones
Targets designation drones.
Weapons delivery drones.
155mm cannon projectile, Target eliminating drones.
The Ukrainian war has demonstrated, that Aircrafts, tanks, cannot dominate a contested area.
Yes but with a drone you cannot shoot a fighter down be it whichever gen it is, neither can you shoot down missiles or dominate enemy airspace.
Point taken.
Still, it's a no go.
Keep your eyes on Ukraine war.
@@aviator9985 not valid comparision. Drones will not be able to do much in both of our adversories airspace. China and pakistan is not Ukraine.
@kunalpandey1672 >> Acha.
Manipur may kaun sa chidiya uud raha hai, 2 din say?
Punjab may, Jammu may, Peer Panjal may.
These aggressions are by which Gen Aircrafts, helicopters?
@@aviator9985 you can't just compare apples with oranges...static or slow moving targets can be targeted by drones and UAVs but not supersonic and hypersonic objects
Sir I think the only solution to fast track the production of fighter jets we must use the unused potential of Private sector. Government must invite Private entities with funding and assured minimum order of fighter jets that can run assembly lines for atleast 15 years.And one more thing government must spend in R&D to develop critical technologies,as very critical technologies are never for sell.for example jet engines.
Private sector dont want to help. Indian gov cheated them a few times ago
Govt doesn't want to spend.... Defence spending is 1.9% of GDP...This is not an ideal spending for a country surrounded by two hostile neighbours in which one is almost becoming a superpower and other is a terrorist nation..
It is saddening that we donot have AMCA yet, even the orders for Tejas is still an open order.
This is very poor given the amount of threat we face
In the meanwhile, Buy 2 squadron of F35 jet, till AMCA gets built from 2040. Squadron strength can be increased by Tejas Mark1a, Mark2
USA will not sell f35 for India
@@Igglyjiggly it's all about money.
@@shekharkale2588 like f35 is on supermarket sale
Americans will be reluctant to sell F-35 to any country that operates S400 or any of the most advanced Russian Air defense systems.
F-35 Stealth characteristics must be kept secret at all cost from being studied by enemies air defenses for weaknesses.
@@MonkWay_You think US is keen to sell 36 F35s to India for money only...(A country who is spending whooping 800 Billion dollars on defence )They will provide F35 only if there's self interests are fulfilled...Only option for India is either go with SU57 or 5 squadrons of Rafale...
Atleast focus on easy shorter solutions:
1- Improve Su30 and Migs with Aesa radars
2- Improve the weapons package , electronic warfare capacity and standoff distance for all aircraft’s
3- Improve current trainers to enable them to do CAS
4- Improve the production capacity for Tejas now itself ( even with current constraints)
5- Improve all drones to be UCAV capable ( forget predator ) get whatever we can not so expensive
6 - Add atleast 3 Netra
7- Budget only allows Gripen for MRFA. Get 114 Gripen
Focus on atleast 1-6 in coming 3 years.
Sorry to say whatever was said here is not concrete or executable in short notice. One expects a better plan from experts!!
Whatever is spoken in this interview is something kids are saying for past 2 years watching Defence on RUclips!!
( no disrespect intended) 🙏
Gripen? Another type of aircraft? We already have logistical nightmare dealing with so many types and origins of aircraft
Su 57 is not talked about here at all.. that is absolutely astonishing...!
@@shashibhushan3953 gripen has common parts with Tejas. It’s cheapest in life cycle cost not to mention per unit cost.
What’s the point of choosing Rafale in 2015 and not ordering it till 2025?
Anyways focus on 1-6 atleast
As u seem knowledgeable lil bit can i ask u something out of curiosity that
Why tejas being so lightweight is imp for us I mean like now turkey also have kaan and we r still at tejas and
Why we bought rafale which were quite old tech like shouldn't we have been gone with some latests tech,kya is se jyada koi farq nhi pdta warfare me or latest tech lena bhut mushkil hai,
And last question though may be tumhe na pta ho,when we all know how imp for us the weapons are as having pak,china and hostile Bangladesh in our backyard why HAL proceedings are still like an avg govt department,why PM isn't taking it with much seriousness,
@@crackshotYT
1- the concept is from late 80s where a west switched to light aircraft’s F16 and Mirage as ex. Tejas was visioned to replace Mig21 ( light aircraft) and was suppose to be similar to Mirage. The new projects are more focused on Medium and AMCA. It’s just we are too inefficient ( govt, armed forces and PSU )
2- When MMRCA was placed Rafale was the best available aircraft for IAF on certain grounds that is why it was chosen. Rafale by no means is outdated. It will keep getting upgraded. We actually planned 5th gen early with PAK-FA but then pulled out. I think pulling out of Su57 was a mistake. There are no other 5th gen fighters even today available to buy. So Rafale is good decision. Considering the overall picture I believe IAF should have ordered Gripen in 2015-16
3- I think all govt organizations are corrupt and in efficient. You don’t need a PM to make people on job to be responsible!
I even think IAF has actually failed. They don’t have a plan neither is there vision clear for next 10 years. Just saying we need 42 squadrons is not a professional plan that people will admire you for. I think Navy here does a lot better job.
I don’t know , maybe what I write above doesn’t make sense to IAF, but I do believe that we should not sit and wait for aircraft to be ordered. Lot of things are currently with us to improve
A layman, like me, a 10th pass, knows it well, The USA 🇺🇸 was willing to shift its entire F16 manufacturing plant to INDIA if we select the American F16. MRFA is going for 25 years. Now, it's time to purchase American fighter jets. F35 at least 5 squadrons ,F16 10 squadrons, F15EX 10 squadrons, and Rafael 10 squadrons. If you don't want to spend money, you are putting the country in a valunerable situation. All ready, China has got 200 J20,and the numbers will be reaching 1000 and on. The number of squadrons I have mentioned may seem crazy, but in reality, if you order them, it take time to get them in numbers. Be wise, take decisions swiftly, and timely strongly 💪. From Thoothukudi Tamil Nadu INDIA ❤️ 🇮🇳.
India needs to make quad a military alliance
American East Indian Company
But China wit big squadron reliable air force compare to India. China weapen not proved of war. Yes l do agree India need to built up their own defense capability. I believe India can save the nation. India pilots navy have excellent record today world. Am Malaysia convert Muslim. I love Russia India n oocourse Malaysia.
Yes you do think like a 10th pass😂
Bro we can't completely dependent of f 16 f 35 stuffs because American weapons comes with a promise that you can use it in war only with us approvals. This is the situation of pak f 16 now they dont allow pak to carry nuclear weapons
IAF and government are confused in acquiring fighter jets. It's disappointing and would be dangerous for us...
Every single politician and bureaucrat is responsible. Rajnath Singh is now responsible for having wasted the last 6 years. They need to make a retired air Marshall defense minister
Excellent - intelligent Discussions !!!
Major sahab......... I would like to give a humble suggestion, The audio quality is quite bad for the GAP, please try to make arrangements for Increasing audio quality
Why not have a 1000 4th Gen aircraft while waiting waiting still waiting for our 5th Gen aircraft. Like our population we should aim for huge volumes in all types of equipment
Sorry.We are freebies lover.We want khata-khat only.
4th gen for which platform? Mirage2000? or Tejas?
@@arslanarshadali2878 tejas of coruse
@@arslanarshadali2878actually SU57 will be good
Unless we involve private sector in manufacturing of fighter aircrafts India cannot increase it's squadrons quickly. India should involve the Tata's, Mahindra's, etc. or purchase readily available fighter aircraft's.
Now only Aliens can help to develop Fighter Jets 👽🎭.
For those who couldn't understand English, they basically saying '' Watt lag gay re IAF ki, hum kisi din boht pitten ge''
Hahahahahahhaha
Waatt to abhi lagi hui hai !!! every 3 months IAF crashes a plane and all this while having deficit of 12 squadrons. Last month Su30 crashed and few days ago a Mig29.
Unfortunately you are right.
@@ratulsarkar6979PAF sa harr burri harr .defence ma pak sa bhot pecha ho tum .long live pak china turkey friendship .plus Bangladesh is joining soon .
@@rajalapli3637 really then ask them to attack us .😂
1) sir Americans were building 21 aircrafts a day in 1940
2) why are we still not able to build 24 aircraft a year
Because government don’t spend in R&D because of this no new advanced infrastructure in manufacturing
Bro that country is UNITED SATATES OF AMERICA, it's industrial might is unmatchable 😅
Soviets built 22 MiG 21s in a month in 1960s
@@SafiWarraich-p6r we have to stop making excuses and fulfill the requirements that make a strong nation
@@AnilChopra-x8t yeah I frankly don't care if you take the example of USA or ussr ...India is not doing the same . Sad part China is doing it
Jai Hind Major Sahab. Please bring General Narayanan Sir on your podcast. It will be a bumper episode 🇮🇳 🚩
In addition to AMCA and Tejas timelines, also Hypersonic missiles need to be taken up with urgency
Beautiful Analysis. Thank you Sir. I requested this some days back...Thank you for this Podcast...🙏🙏
Su 57 is not talked about here at all.. that is absolutely astonishing...!
Ikr . I was also thinking why noone is talking about those beasts of an aircraft
No, he talked about FGFA, which was joint venture between Russia and India to make SU-57, but India pulled off as it is not comparable to other 5th gen jets
@@HarshKumar-zd2ci the Su-57 is an air superiority fighter which comes with autonomous drone 'Okhotnik' which is a deadly combination..i.e., enough to counter chinese J20.. they 've opened a new production plant in the far east now which 'll ramp up their production line...similarly they can do so in India... a rafale costs 1500-1700crore..an Su-57 costs just 400-700cr per jet in american dollar which is way more advanced in stealth, avionics, electronic suits, smart weapons etc., & everything than the rafale...since it's a 5th gen jet...!
@@ananthakrishnan9326su 57 is cheap not that much stealthy but atleast su57 will maintain the balance
Thank you Major sir to provide us great personality to hear
R&D in every field is the back bone of a prosper country .Top 5 companies Tata,Reliance ,Adani,Mahindra must come together to sponsor a private R&D in all possible field .Make India Great.
True
Indians talk about the glorious IITs. The fund for research for these top institutions are much less than research funds of a mid level university in USA. The number of research papers of international standards is neglible even compared to Chinese universities.
𝙾𝚗𝚕𝚢 𝚙𝚛𝚒𝚟𝚊𝚝𝚒𝚣𝚊𝚝𝚒𝚘𝚗 𝚌𝚊𝚗'𝚝 𝚐𝚒𝚟𝚎 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚋𝚛𝚊𝚒𝚗
People will bash them especially opposition.
lol then when opposition will blame the govt you will be the first to comment adani and ambani
As of now, we need to invest in the 5th generation aircraft killing capabilities...!! As well as build capabilities to fight even without an Airforce I am not saying we do not need Airforce or we should not be building a modern Airforce but we shouldn't ignore ingenuity and frugal technologies...!!
PM should pitch for:
1) AC - 1
2) 4 sqds of F-35
3) 2 Nuke Subs
+
4) 4 sqds of F- 35
💪💪💪💪💪🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🤣🤣
@@arunbagla2292 like f35 is on supermarket sale
@@Igglyjigglytea is best salution
@@rajalapli3637 😂🤣
@@Igglyjigglyonce india join nato , Usa will start demanding land for its military bases in 🇮🇳
Rafale, if made in India, is a good choice. Otherwise, it would like getting all our efgs in the French basket who can use it to leverage it anytime.
France ne bhi dhokha de diya ,,
Rafale deal me ToT ke bahut se pact sign huye the , France denied them all
Now France is selling Rafale for Indian Navy at very high price , even we are their old customers
@@saurabhsuryansh2673france usa Russia koi bi tum ko bhik nhi da raha .khod tum sui bi nhi bana sakta .the late tejo lal samosa ka mojid .
what is "efgs"?
Very knowledgeable and interesting podcast sir. I understood some key points about the problem and the industry, please hold more podcasts like these. 🫡🫡
Pakistani AF is looking at procuring all of these by 2027 which means in 3-4 years time their airforce will look like this.
J17 (4.5 Gen)
J10C (4.5 Gen)
F16 (4 Gen)
J31 (5 Gen)
PFX (4++/5 Gen)
KAAN (5 Gen)
Think where we stand 😭😭😭
@@rippergamingofficial3128 😭😭😭😭😭
none of their fighter jet will be 5th gen or even 4.5+++ gen.
@@c.augustedupin8860Andbhakt spotted😂😂
@@zubairrrkhannn8882 gendu spotted.
They ain't got money to operate them 😂😂😂😂😂
Indian Air Fore- 90 Additional Rafale, Indian Navy- 24 F35B to be operated from IN Helicopter carriers in Indian Ocean. Rest focus on Indigenous program with Tejas MK1A, Tejas Mark2, AMCA(Project under PMO) with public private participation. Let Rafale and F35 be the last batch of foreign Aircraft we acquire. And our forces need to look themself as a single unit of defence. Whatever equipment we add is not just added to services but to Nation as whole. 3 forces worked very well jointly during galwan crisis. We had P-8I, Mig 29k deployed along with IAF assest. This jointness is the way forward.
Not investment in kaveri engine is distroying Indian aviation independent
so be ready for 2040
सर, असे महत्वपूर्ण टोपिक हिंदी दर्शकों के लिए भी बनाना चाहिए।
Please sir...............
Pls make an in-depth video on Why Indian crucially requires a 3rd aircraft Carrier with better fighter jets on board
Amazing Podcast. Its just that we as a country need to step up. And that's it. Jai Hind. BHARAT MATA KI JAI
Great episode major.
US has shown to the Afghans that how perfectly they can push those depending on them into the nearest waterhole.
India needs to become a War time Economy with minimum 9% GDP dedicated to Defence to become ready for a minimum 4 front War (Bangladesh, Maldives) + bigger Pakistan within.
9% 😂 country will crash without a fight
@@arjunsharma6946 ukraine is spending 37% of their gdp in defence
And there gdp growth is positive
@mobyt2964 you are really stupid. Thats war time spending
Look at their spend before the war
Pakistan bangladesh Don't have power to fight with us . CHINA IS PROBLEMATIC
Thank you major gaurav sir all my doubts are clear now . This was a must awaited video for me . ❤
Very informative, Gaurav sir.
Turkey in 4 year launch its 5 th generation fighter jet . But our country after 10 year also we donot know where is its AMCA . If no engine then twin Kaveri engine should be put in fighter jet and fighter jet should be produced .
Atleast we should buy su57
Logistics for F35 maintanence are already complicated for the Nato partners, for India (specifically during conflict) it would be a liability. Also, US keeps control of all the data and communication links. I don't know why such simple things are not being mentioned.
India 🇮🇳 enters the F-35 deal to ensure America keeps a steady and disciplined supply of the GE-404/414 engines crucial for the Tejas programme. If America slackens or reneges....
It'll be interesting whether India enters a parallel deal with the Russians for the Su-75 5th gen. fighter plane.
India should add licenced production of 350 planes to further sweeten the deal.
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#Cheers'Sir*!JAI HIND*!
Wow!
The short of equips\procurement is already prevalent!
But the exact stats and the way Anil sir and you compiled it!!
Hats off sir!! 🫡
Happy teachers’ day sir! ❤️❤️
Here are my two cents - buy for immediate need. Focus on developing not gen 5 but gen 6 which work in conjunction with drone swarms, UAV etc.
Well , it's not a cake
For example it's like ,
you are building a concrete house in copper age.
Indian air force must have minimum of 60 squadrons.
This podcast is eye opener & it is also understood where we are lacking.
Salute from the Brothers of Arms
Mind blowing and an honour to listen to such a learnt master of war
Jai hind major saab. Wonderful Podcast. learnt a lot about all the aspects. Thanks a ton for the video and Keep doing it. Thanks again. Jaihind, vandemataram, Bharat mata ki Jai.
I have some thoughts , analysing the whole defence procurement strategy since 2014.
1. MRFA / formerly MMRCA is waiting for something . Since 5th generation technology is one of its criteria now - we are looking at flight of Rafale F5 and the Su75 . The French plane which would be an active semi stealth fighter jet would fly in its latest variant in 2027- the same year when the Su75 is slotted to take to the skies. Both Dassault and Sukhoi plan to build assembly lines within India if their equipment is selected. Dassault already has a factory in Nasik, meanwhile Russia is looking for avenues to invest Rupees in - where the Sukhoi can have plants that supply commercial orders of their fighters. 100 pcs of the said platform would be taken up.
Right now, the problem with Rafale is that they have a long list of customers who already ordered the F4 variants and only after those had been supplied in full could the new variant be made - however if India is willing to avail 100 units, the Nasik plant would be used calling for components import from France. Su75 onnthe other hand is a new plane and all that would be imported would be the engine and airframe - because the rest of it , avionics, EW suite, radar and many critical components would be indigenous. We know that the Su30mki Super Sukhoi upgrade would be fully indigenous.
2. Tejas Mk1A would be reinforcing the decommissioned MiG21 Bison squadrons.
Su30mkis have already fully replaced the MiG23/25/27 squadrons .
Tejas Mk2 would be replacing the Mirage 2000, MiG29 and Sepecat Jaguars - all whose life had been extended for another 20 years. But all are 4th Gen fighter jets, numbering 120 would be rivaling the J10C and F16 of hostile neighbours.
So it's just replacement we are working on in this point. To reach the sanctioned 42 squadrons for real, we need the 5th Gen fighters of MRFA and AMCA.
3. Engine : Here we would be having logistics burden again.
Two American variants F404, F414 , one French variant M88 , two Russian variants Al31 and RD33. Now , if we select a fifth Gen fighter of foreign origin, which is not a Rafale variant , we are looking at another new engine to maintain - either Pratt Whitney or the Izdeliye 30.
Hence , we are working on the Kaveri and trying to engineer many variants of it - which would be used on all our platforms in future. Either as replacements or on new platforms. Kaveri right now is going to get an afterburning section in a couple of years - which if successful would be powering second half of Tejas Mk1A. This projected 90 Kn afterburning Kaveri is aimed at replacing GE F404 and M88 units during mid life upgrades.
The 90kn unit would be further worked on two get a 110 kn dry thrust variant for use on Mk2 and AMCA - which are slated to use the 116kn afterburning GE F414.
But an engine whose dry thrust would be 110kn , would be producing 140kn on afterburners - making its thrust at par with the F22's P&W units.
Meanwhile, there is nothing to fear from PRC - if you fly stealth in numbers at once , you would not be that stealthy anymore.
So , not all numbers translates into effective offense in hostile situations . Especially, when there would be S400s on ground and Rafale in air to take potshots at incoming packages.
We have to keep building our forces and support the administration which aims to indigenise all our platforms and induct them , quickly.
India has a problem with manufacturing execution. There has to be a private sector alternative to HAL.
Very productive & content rich discussion..Keep it up
The only way to reach squadrons that are relevant by 2029 is to buy every serviceable retired Mirage 2000 and upgrade them in-house. Add a few MiG-29s as well. IAF needs no additional support infrastructure.
For the interim select the Korean KF-21 stealth aircraft which is recently operational and similar to AMCA1. KAI could even help accelerate AMCA.
F-35 may not be a real option as it will have too many strings attached.
@@adm7038 kf21 is STILL under development and its not even fully 5th gen fighter, Korea never claimed it 5th gen
Initial production of KF21 will use F414 engine. This is not a stealth compatible engine with super cruise capabilities and low IR signature.
Only later interation of KF21 will have their home grown 5th Gen engine.
If India place order now, they will only get the 4.5 Gen version of KF21 with F414 engine.
@@marimuthu14 It’s a new design and still has plenty of scope for development. We will get get a head start for AMCA. AMCA will also use GE F414 and so will Tejas Mk2.
@@haseebsab9445 Agree, but see my other comment.
Probably IAF and Rajnath Singh will start working only after a shock defeat...things dont move in India untill we face a shock defeat
First Mirage 2000 were limited to 3 squadrons and now only two squadrons of Rafale. Seems there is something amiss when India goes for western technology. Jaguar being exception but has limited capability
What I understood from this podcast.
1. India has the strength and money. But they're not showing it.
2. Jet engine collaboration as soon as possible with whoever suits the best under PMO.
3. Make 2-3 variants of AMCA. One with foreign collaboration, one completely made in India. So, it'll be easier to fill the Gap.
4. Start procurement of all needed jets from France and USA. For present situation. Even if we start working on it today. We'll get it after 5 years at least so till 2030 we'll get it.
5 Tejas and Kaveri must be produce with utmost importance. But they should be built as finished products in India. We should start producing at least 24-36 jets in a year and it should be done under PMO. Then there will be no issues regarding funds allocation.
6. India has growing market and very large capital. We must use it to develop weapons in India on a large scale. Bring all the friendly foreign companies to build their labs or factories here so India could build the weapons here.
Now with all these, may be India's reserved capital of 700 billions will get affected for next 2-3 years but now we have the market and things are going well for us. We should invest this money for our future.
Very nice chat majaor saab and its eye opening talk with former air force officer I think Indian defence procurement committee has to think twice and aggressively and fast track the mrfa program even faster
Pak turkey sa latest drone la chuka aur china pak ko j10 ka baad 5th generation fighter jets da raha aur pak apni Air Force power ko latest jf 17 third version ma convert kar raha aur attacking role ma F16 , J10 and 5th generation j31 ready ho raha it’s all means ya ka pak is fully ready ka apni last 25 years sa against india military supremacy ko qaim rakha. Pakistan 💚long live.
Amazing Content as usual. If to get F35 is not possible we need to get F21 or more Rafales yes Transfer of Technology should be 💯. Hopefully this gets sorted out soon. Rightly pointed Out They should be directly inclined with PMO rather than begging for permissions & delays in regards to AMCA program. And also speed up the process of Tejas MK 2 & AMCA 🤘🏻💯🇮🇳
The Indian Air Force’s (IAF) strategy to move directly from the Tejas single-engine Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) to the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) raises questions about the risks involved in bypassing an intermediate development stage. This intermediate stage would ideally include the development of a twin-engine aircraft using the indigenous Kaveri engine, which has yet to be tested in such a configuration. Here’s a critical examination of the strategic considerations in this approach:
1. Risk of Insufficient Testing for Kaveri Engines
The Kaveri engine program has faced significant challenges over its development timeline, with limitations in thrust and reliability testing. The IAF’s leap directly to AMCA, a fifth-generation stealth fighter, assumes that the Kaveri engine will perform adequately in a twin-engine setup without extensive in-field validation. An intermediate twin-engine aircraft, perhaps in the form of a prototype or limited series production, could provide the necessary data on operational durability, performance under combat conditions, and adaptability to various mission profiles. Skipping this step risks deploying unproven engines on an advanced platform, potentially compromising reliability and mission success.
2. Technology Maturity and Risk Management
The Tejas platform, while impressive, represents a different class of aircraft than the AMCA, with fewer operational complexities and lower power demands due to its single-engine design. Transitioning directly from Tejas to the AMCA increases the engineering and logistical challenges since a stealth-capable, twin-engine platform with cutting-edge systems will push the Kaveri engine to its limits. An intermediate twin-engine platform would allow the Kaveri engine to mature in a more forgiving environment and build a progressive foundation for the AMCA program.
3. Cost Implications of AMCA Failures
Developing a twin-engine aircraft with the Kaveri engine as an intermediate step may seem costly at first, but it could save resources in the long run. If the AMCA suffers from significant engine failures or underperformance due to insufficient Kaveri testing, the IAF may face considerable additional costs for retrofitting, redesigning, or even replacing engine components post-production. Developing an intermediate Kaveri-powered platform could mitigate this risk and offer more budget stability by allowing incremental improvements based on real-world feedback.
4. Optimizing Production Timelines
The IAF’s current strategy to jump directly to AMCA could face delays if the Kaveri engine reveals critical issues that need to be resolved, slowing down the entire timeline. An intermediate twin-engine project would allow India’s aerospace industry to parallelize development by addressing Kaveri’s limitations while continuing AMCA research. This way, both programs can progress with reduced dependency on each other’s schedules, leading to faster and more efficient advancements.
5. Strategic Independence and Self-Reliance
Relying on the imported GE engines for Tejas aligns with India’s immediate defense needs but does little for self-reliance in critical areas like engine technology. Bypassing an intermediate twin-engine Kaveri-powered aircraft could mean that India’s indigenous engine development remains under-validated, undermining the long-term goal of self-reliant defense. By introducing a Kaveri-powered twin-engine platform, the IAF can demonstrate genuine strides in indigenous capabilities, increasing confidence in India’s ability to produce a fully indigenous AMCA down the line.
Conclusion
Directly advancing from the Tejas to the AMCA is an ambitious strategy, but it comes with significant risks that could impact the program’s success. Developing an intermediate twin-engine aircraft with Kaveri engines offers a phased approach, enabling essential real-world testing, reducing long-term costs, and aligning better with India’s goals of defense self-reliance. This intermediate step would allow the IAF to fully understand and refine Kaveri’s performance under twin-engine conditions, making it a more reliable option for a critical platform like the AMCA.
Excellent Guest Major Sahab and only a True Patriot will bring such Topic to main stream, to eliminate our Vulnerabilities we need to identify our weakness first. But my only worry is that the govt understand these Gaps as our core issues. The guest analysis were EnPointe. My 2 cents here, if we need to bring competitive advantage in India then start involving Private companies in the mix like US does the same. For e.g; let's say US Airforce need a particular type of aircraft they will invite the Best companies in the race like for e.g; Boeing, McDonnell Douglas or Lockheed Martin and they would share their specs along with initial funding for R&D to bring up the Prototype. Then Airforce would evaluate the Prototype of all companies and choose which one is the best fit for them and then that company will eventually win the deal for major production. Same thing needs to be incorporated here in India if we need to build Aircraft fast. We need to kill the Monopoly and start involving Private Companies that is the must and Govt shouldn't be too much worried thinking what opposition will say. Also, to plug the current Gap as the Respected Guest said we need to place order soon and buy ready made aircraft and what he suggested were perfect. Also few years back Sanjayji from The Jaipur Dialogues did a Podcast explaining the issues with Modern Fighter aircraft and that explains in detail why Western jets are the best. I mean the American Radar alone gives you the Power of God in Airforce terms to a Pilot. They can look out extremely far and the way they handle augmentation of instrumentation cluster is mind blowing. Also, we need not worry too much about the Chinese junk they call J20 or whatever that $h!t maybe, That aircraft hardly has any stealth characteristics, I mean there was a report that Indian Rafael was able to Detect J20 right from our territory. Also, their Jet Engines are all junk and rated for very poor performance. Americans jet engines are the best in the world, no wonder all over the world many companies who may build aircraft shells but they buy jet engines from American companies. Even our Tejas engines use American GE engines for the same reason. They use some Rare earth element and Crystal Blade tech to build the Fins of the Jet Turbines which does manage Heat dissipation very effectively, hence they run far longer than any other engines. Our Govt should work out a deal to procure 10 Squadron of F35 on a war footing front and probably the remaining squadrons of Rafael Soon. I mean on a war footing front, the order should have been placed like 5 years back.
Great learning from both of you sirs.
Very rational presentation Anil.
I think we must commence developing anti stealth technologies. May be a suitable surveillance radar coupled with forward deployed SAM systems (along with guidance radars/ EO/ IR) which are network centred with surveillance radar (longer distance). Kind of a SAM trap. Just a thought...
India will eventually buy F-35 or SU-57 to compete with China, it doesn’t matter how bad JF-20 is, they have something we can’t even have for another 15 years and lot could happen with JF-20 in these 15 years, also they have the number advantage.
Instead of aircrafts focus on stealthy drones
Lockheed is offering india F-21 which is most advanced verison of f-16, and also offered transfer of technology, but the americans havent offered india F-35 yet , while F-15 EX can be an export version for the india, These are only 3 options for the india. Sweden also offered SAAB GRIPER Electronic warfare version to the india as well which is 4.5++ generaitons aircraft.
We are developing tejas mk2 for f16 which are similar.
For F15ex we are upgrading Su 30mki to Super Sukhoi which are similar
Amca for 5 gen Aircraft
Are you forgetting the South Korean Fighters that are much like the AMCA and also uses F414. They would do splendidly as stop gap for AMCA and much more economical. They would also be willing to make in India.
Very interesting discussion, keep it
Major Gaurav - this problem of defence acquisition, especially fighter aircraft to maintain a reasonable air superiority in the region knowing the neighbors and their inventory has been an issue since just after independence. No nation in the world will ever give a full know-how of the aircraft engines. To expect that a nation will be eagerly waiting to receive a major order with the attached rider to share knowledge / manufacture in India is only deluding ourselves. We are in a panic situation now after knowing the preparedness of our adversary in the north but will be more prone to making mistakes that will impact us in the near future. We need to be always prepared for any country to ditch us at the time when we most need some critical parts/equipment for aircraft bought from them. A polite way would be telling us that they already have a huge backlog of orders from other countries while a more aggressive way would be through imposing sanctions. So what is the answer? The answer is keep developing in-house capability. It may take some time but with a determined effort and timelines this can be achieved. In the meantime with our existing strength in missile technology we need to take up on a war footing to develop ways to defend against 5th generation aircraft. This will also be cost effective while we arm the squadrons with aircraft having current capabilities but better fire power. A suggestion on similar lines is what needs to be looked at instead of just trying to look for a few aircraft which will take a lot of time to acquire and make them operational.
One of the best Podcasts sir
Jai hind To both sir
This month old conversation: PM Modi should talk about F35 or at least F21
Actual Modi-Biden conversation: Stryker vehicles, Sig Suaer rifles ..
Who the hell is setting PM’s agenda??
Adani should be given encouraged RND development with committed time' lines
Modiji has made a joke of our Airforce.. and the time has been lost, now no matter what u do, we cant have anything well upto 2035.. and above all this, this govt cuts tue defense budget to a mere 1.8% in last 2 years, from the earlier 2.8%.. joke being played on our forces.. i voted these guys, but they must be criticised for their careless attitude towards our Airforce.. shame on these politicians that our pilots fly 1960s Mig21 in 2024.. shame!!! M annoyed 😡 we all are 😡😡 be grateful that our Forces arent like pakistan, else airforce would probably have revolted by now..!! 😏
Firstly, Modiji brought those Rafaels.
More orders are given.
Drdo, is boosted to power in this time.
Are this government doing enough? Still don't thik so, we need way way more.
But is it doing better than previous government, definitely yes.
Our army will never revolt. Definitely not in this government. This government is most army friendly.
Do we need better development system and robust arms industry , he'll yes.
Is the government doing it , I think not enough, we need more funding.
You are mocking modi . But he was the only one who bought 36 rafale , getting private companies , increasing defence exports . You are nothing but a congress fan . Who are more interested in khata khat
I think our YoY defense budget has increased ... if I am wrong, can you show the stats?
@@antrikshbhatnagar nah.. in value terms yes.. but our gdp has increased much more.. ethically our budget should have been 100Bn$..
Since 2000s, India consistently spent 2.5-3% of GDP on defense..
Since 2022, the budget has been down to 1.9% and this 1.8% of gdp..
So even though in value terms, its almost 75-80Bn$, but in reality in gdp terms it has been reduced drastically… defense experts have shown alot of concern.. Even US at such big economy spends 3%, UK spending 3% too this year.. we have messed up bigtime..
@Rocky-pz8px oh. Of course, it will affect our R&D of both amca and jet engines. This hampers our future security. Atleast give better salaries to people at DRDO. They deserve it..
Nice and informative discussion. In my opinion PM Modi has delayed expansion of IAF fighter fleet and also delayed procuring attack drones in last ten years of his rule.
What does modi have to do with the lazy workers of hal not everything is political
IAF should buy atleast 2 more sqns of Rafales & 126 F 21s at the earliest.
Superb insights by Air Marshal Chopra Sir, Just please take care of the audio clarity. Well done !
Excellent programme
India is a country that has amazed many historical. I’ll bet on India any day. So let’s wait and watch.
The great man Marx's evaluation of India's history made me see it clearly. -----India is not one of the ancient civilizations, nor does it have its own complete history. On July 22, 1853, the great revolutionary mentor Marx published "The Future Results of British Rule in India" in Britain, in which he wrote: "If the entire history of India is really history, India is actually a history of being conquered by foreign nations and foreign countries again and again. India itself has no history, or India has no history known to the world. And we are just looking at the history of one invader after another. India is a country built on this endless negative foundation, and such a country is doomed to have no future."
@@mingmuyiyang8615 With all the ancient monuments still standing and the freedom that many enjoy. I think as an American 🇺🇸 it’s India for us all the way 😎
@@SuperAvantgard 1.5 billion people, 0 gold medals. It is indeed a country that amazes everyone.
@@SuperAvantgard Imagine India can do government-led actions in Canada, in the United States. Then what will happen to the Indian government in India against the Indian people? . A moment of silence for the miserable and hard life of the Indian people. It is indeed full of freedom.
@@SuperAvantgard No Indian women go out on the streets after dark because they enjoy their freedom at home.
We must build our own jet engines not sure why we always discuss buying it !
❤ Good interview.
AMCA should be directly under PMO
Sir, Russia didn't induct or make Su 30 SM until we decided to induct 272 Su 30 MKI's.
We now have zero trust in usa and its policies, so zero reliability regarding supplies and independent functionality & support.
Rather, in recent times, the finish of Su 57 has been impressive and so have it's capabilities.
P.S.:- FGFA was twin seater, PAK-FA was never meant to be twin seater, FGFA was supposed to have 43 improvements over PAK-FA, both were different apart from having certain similarities in airframe & engine wise.
Great interviewing
Excellent discussion
asuming speed fo development will so high
Legend has it that Maj Gaurav Arya said "SIR" - 5000 times 😎😎
Please give order to build 5 th Generation Air Craft to HAL, they will build it by 2098..😂
🥲🥲🥲 bhai saram karlo
When you are asking for Arms, ask for the sky - Target.
Nicely presented
Brilliant ✨ Jai Hind
Salute to both of you sir i a small man feel there is immidiate threat of war looming on china border and pakistan is waiting for china signal we need a strong air force 42 squadron means 42 fully equiped sqns better to buy 2 sqns of stealth f 35 and 4 more sqns of rafeil immdtly to add exting fleet and go on your 5th generation work