So, even though I know Thai Boxing or kick boxing is superior. There are ways for a boxer to defeat a kick boxer. And one of the ways is pressure fighting inside the pocket. You cannot stand outside the pocket because you'll get chopped up by the leg kicks. Inside fighting is where the boxer has the advantage. However, you would have to parry and control the elbows and knees. Despite Thai fighters having more weapons, the boxer has demonstrated better inside movement and fighting than. However, due to ego and money, it'll be hard to get an elite boxer challenge an elite kick boxer. My money would be on the Thai fighter unless the boxer has a good strategy.
Hey I'ma do another kickboxing sparring event type thing. I'll send you the vids when I do. But brotha. I saw something that might interest you. So I was on FB. And I saw an add for an Indian guru keeping some old old Indian martial art alive, I think it's called shastar vidiya guru. But guess who he really looks like move wise. I was like where have I seen this before ? THE RUSSIAN CRAZY MASTER!!! Dude they even do the head thing. It's definitely worth a look into.
@@JEDIAL9 Boxing have huge advantage over kickboxing. Boxer can escape from low kicks. Just move away front leg and MT will miss and spin around. Then right cross and left hook.
@@LORDVADER357 So, what you're saying is a kickboxer can't evade low kicks? Your mistake is that you're blinded by kick boxing's EIGHT limb weapons compared to boxings TWO limb weapons. Kick boxing allows knees and elbows while boxing only uses their hands. Other than technique, boxing has no physical advantage over kick boxing. *TWO* weapons can't beat *EIGHT* weapons! And this is why Floyd Mayweather Jr or any retired professional boxer NEVER fights an MMA fighter by their rules!
Bro that muay thai guy was outboxing the boxer because the boxer got too concerned about the kicks and let his guard down. Those thai fighters are in a league of their own. Also im not sure if u guys noticed but the second round is just boxing. U can tell immediately because they didnt have the shin guards anymore
The boxer needed to be the aggressive one and constantly closing his gap even if it means he might take a hit or two in the process cuz he's outranged, but he let the kick threats get into his head and played too defensively.
If you're not used to taking leg kicks, especially if the opponent is trained & condition to deliver devastating leg kicks to the calfs or inner / outer thighs, really...all it takes is maybe one or two solid leg kicks, and the boxer is compromised.
@@giraffeorganic Pretty much. If you don't know how to deal with a particular style then there's no chance that you come out of a fight against it unscathed. You just have to maximize the damage output of your own style
@@guapify2320 yes, just how boxers can condition their bodies to a certain degree, you can condition your calf’s to a certain degree as well. If your legs not conditioned to take a calf kick, that thing is dead with 1 calf kick. Even in MMA, a few clean calf kicks 4-5 have a fighter moving differently. That’s how Dustin porier beat Conor the second time, Conor was too focused on boxing and Dustin kept going for calf kicks until Conor couldn’t even move on it anymore. Now imagine a guy who doesn’t even kick taking a calf kick
dozens of Muay Thai fighters had made the transition to boxing and were extremely successful becoming world champions or Olympic medalist with only the 20 percent of their Muay Thai. But a boxer never won and never will win a title in Muay Thai because boxers are shitty strikers.
My 2 cents as a Pure Boxer, Unfortunately when this comes up, (Boxer vs KickBoxer) instead of leaning into our strengths we forget our basics and try new weird things like "trying to catch the kick" or "going under a kick as if it was a hook" or worst one is "just take the kick and see how much it hurts". IF this was really a Boxer vs KickBoxer type scenario they need to rely more on their angles, Getting in and out of range, Circling, Setting up shots and REALLY Popping the Jab.
As a Muay Thai guy who has a lot of boxers coming through the gym to spar, the range is insurmountable for someone who doesn't know how to kick or how to deal with kicks. Particularly when clinching is allowed. Your lead leg will always get kicked before your jab lands, and any combo with your hands is shut down with teep kicks. Boxing is an amazing sport, but just like Muay Thai guys get dominated in MMA if they don't train MMA, boxers get dominated in Muay Thai if they don't train Muay Thai. It's a specialization vs generalist situation.
@@colet1096 That's just what I always thought. I don't know why people are coming up with these scenarios where a boxer COULD beat a kickboxer, when kickboxing has punches and kicks vs. just punches. It's someone who does 100% of the sport vs. someone who only does 50%, kinda like how Muay Thai, Kyokushin, Dutch kickboxing, Japanese Kickboxing, etc. are really 50% of MMA.
@@colet1096 I agree the kicks should be respected but I have to disagree on two things. The part where kicks will always get there before punches, if that was the case MMA or Muay Thai guys wouldnt throw punches at all. Second (and this ties into the first) is Boxers use our legs differently. Our foot work gives us the chance to do defensive moves you cant in kickboxing. My original point was to use our strengths instead of getting mesmerized by the hands up in front and ignoring the kick. So I think we're pretty much on the same page. If you want an example, look up Nick Diaz Boxing. He states exactly what Im saying.
Man you think Muay Thai don't also" "Getting in and out of range, Circling, Setting up shots and REALLY Popping the Jab"? Boxer was lucky he wasn't going hard with the kicks. Just about anything that you'd do as a pure Boxer, would be a good time for getting kicked in the leg; after 1-4 good kicks w/o shinguards, you'd be at 50-60% in everything.
Doesn't seem like they are on the same level. Muay Thai guy clearly has a lot of experience and is a professional fighter. The boxer looks like a hobbyist to me, not saying he's terrible but he's clearly not on the professional level of the Muay Thai guy.
Yeah , sure. You can see that 5:17 (and second round was PURE boxing round). And fun fact : you'll never see that ANY professional boxer will come to the ring with amateur muay thai fighter (i dont see stuff like that on YT at all, there's always amateur boxer vs amateur muay thai , amateur boxer vs professional muay thai , professional boxer vs professional muay thai stuff)
@@dr_logical_b3a5t63 muay thai fighter was the better fighter overall yes but that boxer wasn’t a beginner, he def had reasonable experience based on his punches and movement still looked relaxed
@@grantbrysacz through out the entire session he only landed 2 good shots, other than that he was kinda terrible relatively, he's definitely not a not a big name for a reason, perhaps he just started pro, however in every scenario the experience gap is clear. And you know it's a problem when the mauy Thai guy is better at boxing than the boxer, which allows me to conclude that it is a beginner boxer who wants to learn from the muay Thai dude. It's almost on the level of a coach and a student
@@dr_logical_b3a5t63 i don’t think the boxer is actually a pro, maybe he had one fight for money and says that. but as far as the muay thai fighter, i would be willing to bet money he has experience boxing, at the very least training and sparring with experienced boxers and im sure he’s found success in muay thai
I've trained both boxing and kickboxing competitively. I've found that a "feeling out round" has a high likelihood of getting my lead leg smashed or my ribs crushed. If you are a boxer, apply pressure. Do not allow a superior kicker to get into a comfortable range. High guard, stalk them, corner them, flurry, body shots, and mix in some leg kicks. I've been able to out-skill "superior kickboxers" to myself because I wouldn't allow them to play their game.
I honestly don’t see how that can work unless you just completely out skilled the person. If I can use everything if a boxer tries to rush me down Ik typically you have your head tucked. Ill just turtle up clinch you and just try to knee your head off or most likely knee your ribs I don’t feel comfortable kneeing someone who’s just using hands. You honestly can’t even use all you can against a boxer because it just feels unfair.
Tkd background with kickboxing here. My coach told me to stop kicking, guy then wailed on my mid section and I lit his legs up. I'm the new guy so his ego was sore
That’s exactly what I was thinking too. He’d almost have moments of success but then he too hesitant to capitalize on it. Had he blocked a kick (or even ate one considering he took them fairly well) and stepped forward punching he probably would’ve done pretty decent had he not constantly paused to look for a certain shot/backed out to change his position.
Love it when boxers challenge themselves. I've always thought it would be cool if boxers beat Muay Thai fighters by using pure boxing, like the old style vs style matches
Theres always a punchers change but lets say you had 100 muay thai vs boxing matches and they both had similar amount of experience in their art and all else is equal, I'd say the Muay thai fighters win 85-90 out of the 100 matches. With 10 losses coming by the boxer landing a knockout punch.
I'm a boxer who's been training mma for 6 months, I adjusted to blocking kicks quite quickly. My main issue was getting spammed with thigh kicks to my lead leg 🤣
The boxers name is Nick Pan He's a RUclipsr in Taiwan He is famous for copying Tony Jeffries videos and got exposed recently His response was also quite legendary First apology denying it Second apology saying he only extracted highlights Third apology saying he already apologized twice so ppl should move on
Interesting matchup. The second round maybe was boxing only. If the muay thai dude kept kicking it would have been a very easy win. Imho either that muay guy trains his hands a lot in his gym or maybe he cross trains in boxing, because his boxing was crisp and outperformed the boxer for basically the entirety of the fight. Regarding your last question, I guess that if each kick is thrown and landed at full power (something the thai guy can do at leisure, since he knows the boxer has no response for them), that small amount of kicks might be able to take the wind out of the boxer or make his legs hurt enough so that it weakens his punches as you said.
From my experience sparring boxers (Muay Thai base then changed to boxing and mma striking), once kicks are involved it really messes up their striking distance and it makes them super hard to adjust to fighting longer
You can see the boxer constantly on edge for the kicks. Really goes to show how important it is to train for different things. He is not used to facing against someone that kicks
Both men showed great restraint, they were both going light and very respectful. Being a boxing enthusiast myself, i must say, the boxer would get murked if they were going at it for real.
My "strategy" from boxer's perspective would be: 1)throw out of the window in and out stuff,as well as outboxing things 2)continuously push with separate punches, to and throw combo if at any point kicker gets hurt or outbalanced 3)mid and close range stuff only 4)instead of doing that classical in and out just keep side stepping... My point is that instead of trying to "outfight" moves of your opponent that you have no answer for it you should just do you your best to not allow him use those things in the first place...play based on cards that you actually have ,not based on cards that you wish you had...
Yeah you need to be aggressive and come forward constantly. You will get punished badly trying to employ a outside boxing style with no idea how to deal with kicking or kick back
Muay Thai fighters can develop amazing hands thanks to his Muay Thai training from a really young age, many Muay Thai fighter have better hands than most boxer, and a Muay Thai fighter can defeat boxers in boxing rules
Thai fighters are more complete yes, but better bands than boxers? Boxers only train with the hands, they are superior with the hands, ofc some thai fighters are better with the hands but not every tha fighter, that is like say, "some muay thai fighters are better in the clinch than greco roman wrestlers" simply not. There is a reasson why MMA fighters train pure boxing in they training
Muay Thai coach here. A judo practioner is called a judoka. A Karate fighter is a karateka. A Muay Thai fighter is called a Nak Muay. Its the champagne of kickboxing. They're not kickboxers anymore than kickboxers are Nak Muay. The training, the scoring, and the rules are different. Its like saying Nascar and F1 are the same because they both drive cars fast.
Muay Thai is the most complete stand up martial arts in the world....Imagine clinching, elbows and knees being allowed against a boxer. Sambo and Judo are the most complete grappling martial arts as well, Sambo is pretty much all forms of wrestling in 1 and Judo is Jiu Jitsu with takedowns involved. Jiu Jitsu was created from Judo
Judo, which is a sport, is a derivative of jiu jitsu, which itself is a derivative from boa constrictor kung fu. Boa is the most lethal followed by jiu jitsu. Judo is the least lethal since it's a sport after all.
@@georgcantor7172 Jiu Jitsu came from a Judo Master named Mitsuyo Maeda who went to Brazil to teach them Kano's Jiujitsu, which would later become the sport called Judo. Maeda trained a Brazilian named Carlos Gracie, and his brothers who changed Kano's Jiujitsu to Gracie's and later to Brazilian Jiujitsu. They were more of a submission based Jiujitsu instead of Kano's wrestling and slamming based Jiujitsu
I remember going from kickboxing/karate to boxing many years ago for the first time, and just feeling how refreshing it was to not have to worry about kicks. When you add kicks as a legitimate threat, there's just so much more to worry about (and then that increases again when you go to MMA sparring and add takedowns). That said, I was never very good at either, so maybe that has more to do with my low aptitude than boxing and "kickboxing" (MT, K1, etc.).
@@tatumergo3931 thanks for the kind words! I think I'm just sort of naturally geared towards grappling for some reason. It's odd, because as a kid I always wanted to do striking styles and I sort of accidentally fell into grappling because my university had a judo and aikido club so I just did that. Karate, TKD, and boxing (I did karate and TKD for a few years each, boxing for just one year) just never stuck with me. Granted, I'm not especially great at grappling either lol
@@buddahkush3801 out here in Thailand most of the top guys do western boxing (in the thai army) and muay thai - Examples Superlek/Sittichai/Superbon/Kaew Fairtex and thais with boxing coach like Buakaw/Yodsanklai/Tawanchai (all the PK Saenchai fighters got this super boxing coach)
Know what's even more fun than that? Double over hooks to prevent punches, then knee the shyt outta him. I've never met a boxer who could fight with knees in the clinch. Unless of course, he was a Thai boxer.
The secret to fighting a kickboxer/as a pure boxer (in my opinion as a person who's only trained boxing but has sparred under kickboxing rules) is to not over complicate things in your head. Just remember basic things like countering the leg kick with the right cross, dont reach for kicks, and dont use too much head movement and to rely more on parrying and footwork.
I got hit by the same combo Usman did when I first did this. My buddy wanted to try his kicks and I hadn’t worked out my defense yet, so I threw my head right into it 😂.
The boxer was a beginner as judging from the second round which was pure boxing, muay thai guy still had the upperhand. The boxer did the crucial mistake of not pacing up with the muay thai fighter. Both sports are brutal in their own way. It depends on skill, power, and footwork of their opponent
The coach in the ring was a great fighter in his day when at sityodtong. The guy in the black standing on the ring is also a big muay thai fighter name is sudsakorn sor klimee.
Many people don't know that there is a style called "Muay Mud" which is the fighters who are better with their hands, and most of the time they are are pressure fighters too. Like Rodtang for example, but more experience means more skills. So he is good with other limbs too, but still not his main weapon
Im a thai practicioner from Brazil and here we put a lot of effort on boxe too... Maybe its because the muay thai guy was been nice but i whould have kicked a lot more and when the boxer get used to the kicks i whould started to faint some kicks to lower his hands to open him to some punches. That sayied, i do spar with boxers from time to time and usually their boxe is better then mine and their footwork too, even if they have the habit to let the lead leg open (and they do). To answer the question: what happens when you kick a boxer? Deppend on the boxer lol. Ive seen boxers lost completelly after a few kicks and boxers ajust very fast to the distance since they almost always can get in and out faster then me.
Yes? You saw him dodging from his punches? Muay thai and boxing aren't same, training, workouts also aren't same. Peoples living in thai already addicted to 30°C or higher weather, training outdoor. Boxers not. The second round thai guy hits boxer's head bit stronger. My opinion is the boxer was really tired after round 1 due to warm weather. And other opinion go boxing then you will know what will happen after sparring with amateur boxers, do not lift the leg while fighting.
Not sure if you realized but round 1 was Muay Thai rules, round 2 shin pads are off and boxing only. But yeah, the leg kicks took their toll and slowed down the boxer quite a bit.
He’s a boxing coach and a RUclipsr in Taiwan who was accused of plagiarism by another RUclipsr. He made most of his videos by plagiarizing out of Tony Jeffery’s videos.
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They were alternating rounds between kick boxing and boxing rules, no Muay rules here (no clinch, no knees, no elbows, no sweeps). The Muay thai guy has been cool with the boxer by not throwing too many kicks (especially on his leading leg). Also the boxing dodges are very dangerous against a guy that throw knees because if you go down you get your face crushed by a knee that goes up. Same with side dodges, if your opponent can read it, you take a high kick in the head (look at the last Edwards vs Usman) .
i'm a boxer and last time i fought a mui thai guy i'd close every time he threw a kick and knock him off balance. I was a wrestler in high school too and we were doing mma style so i would just take him down whenever he'd try to kick.
I don’t know the boxers background but he seemed to always be in a state of “uhh what do I do now?” Which is a common beginner thing. And the Muay Thai guy was barely kicking, so it didn’t have much to do with that. But every time I see the boxer get blitzed by a 1-2 with no defense in mind, it just reminds me of my early sparring days where I constantly had to tell myself “oh yeah. I should protect my head.” It’s different than incidentally eating punches while being defensive. He just had a lot of moments where he was just standing there, waiting for him to do something instead of initiating his offense. He isn’t bad by any means. I’m just curious how long he has been boxing. Very entertaining btw.
You might think that a boxer's eyesight must be better. But dont forget that Muay Thai does not only look at punches, elbows, knees, kicks, they must protect all 4 parts.
This was not boxer vs Muay Thai. This was boxer vs Thai who didn’t clinch, knee, elbow, teep, or even really kick. I love boxing but it’s only one weapon of a Nak muays arsenal. Had the Thai wanted to the match is over in the first round.
I like that Nicky genuinely wanted to see if Boxing could stand up to Muay Thai. If he was looking to get into kickboxing, this might have sold him right here. Now I will say this, just because this particular Muay Thai fighter bested a boxer doesn't mean every single one will. And as far as sports go, not very many kickboxers, and MMA fighters can successfully make that transition into just boxing. So if you are a boxer, and watched this and thought "Man I shoulda went into kickboxing" erase that thought out of your head. Every martial art has its practical uses. From a business perspective Boxing will make you more money, and is potentially safer than Kickboxing. But no one should be fighting with a business perspective. Godspeed.
One thing I’ve always heard about boxers vs kickboxers is that take away the kicks the boxer will win, not always i kickbox and I barely throw kicks since I’m not long enough to be consistent with them, so when I go into the boxing class I can consistently keep up or outbox the pure boxers there
That kickboxer was being gentle , he could have kneed him in the face 3 times , doing that bobbing and weaving stuff 😅 Also, knees to the bread belly were there for the pickings, all day long, not to mention the high kicks to the face , and even the front kick was there for the pickings 😅.
The deciding factor in just about every fight is your hands. I know how to kick and I do use them sparingly, but I'm really much more of a puncher. I've sparred kickboxers with piss poor boxing skills. Their kicks didnt make any difference. If you watch this fight, the kickboxer had better hand skills. That's what made the difference.
It all depends on the skill level. This muay Thai guy is obviously more experienced in his field than the boxer is in his field. Let someone fight like Mike Tyson, Ali or Floyd and this would be different because of better footwork and quicker/more aggressive
The leg kicks will definitely slow down the boxer. They don't condition their legs so the muscle will be at less capacity after just a few kicks I would say. He probably generated less power in his punches after those kicks to body/legs. Also affects his ability to move and slip.
100%. I don't know why the nak muay punched as much as he did. There was no reason at all for him to lose or come off worse in any of the close up engagements where he could have clinched. No leg kicks without the shin pads either. Bit of a silly video for them to say this is boxing vs muay thai and then we learn the nak muay has rules to restrict lots of his movements and just turn this into a boxing bout. Basically, it's an ego video for the boxer which is outright ridiculous. If you're going to challenge someone, then they fight their fight and you fight yours and we'll see who denies who. I would never agree to letting someone fight their A-game whilst I am limited to C-game due to most of my discipline and techniques being removed. Utterly pointless. Just call it a boxing bout and be done with it.
I've had sparring with a muay thai pro before in Thailand. Yes they can box. They would make great boxers in the pros but they all decide to go with muay thai instead unfortunately.
There's definitely a huge experience gap between the 2, almost like a pro mauy Thai fighter Vs a boxer beginner, it also almost seems like the mauy Thai dude is actually tryna train the boxer
@@joesr31 well he isn't. He don't even fight. He just slaps the bag with gloves nor does he have a real trainer. He a joke boxer and I'm not being funny he actually is a joke boxer. He was playing games with a TKD dude he "sparred" this was his only real Training session with the MT guy. He don't even punch bags he slaps it
It's like lets race 100 m, a swimmer in the pool vs a guy running on land. with a top kicker, the boxer wouldn't be able to even get close. This Muay Thai guy is just being super nice.
thats why bruce lee shifted from limiting himself with a one style and invented "jeet kune do" that get the best of almost every martial art out there at his time and later on jeet kune do become the root of UFC , as it encourage learning whatever is useful to become a complete fighter that can punch, kick, submit , wrestle , and all that
this channel sounds like newb when they said the boxer performed bad because he got kicked early. right at the start we can see the muay thai guy is also a superior pure puncher. it doesn't matter if he uses boxing, kickboxing, or muay thai. the other guy is outclassed regardless. but this channel still thinks the boxer is a boxer and says he's getting out punched because he was kicked. any well-versed person can see the muay thai guy is better at everything early on. and the title makes it sound like kicks were a key factor, but the muay thai guy could've schooled him without any kicks at all. this was just a young influencer going to a muay thai gym and getting schooled. even if it was pure punching, the boxer celebrity would've still be schooled. also want to add, the muay thai guy's coach wanted him to kick more in round 1, but muay thai guy did not kick more. reason is likely that muay thai guy was testing if he was a better puncher in the 1st round, so he only kicked a bit. then muay thai guy realized he is better at pure fist. btw, in round 2 they went pure boxing. the title might as well be "muay thai guy is better at boxing."
Or you can train Kickboxing to withstand Kickboxing. Wanna defend against kicks? Kickboxing is your best bet. Wanna defend against punches? Boxing may help, but Kickboxing works for that too. Wanna defend against being tackled? Take Wrestling, Judo, BJJ, Sambo, etc. You don't do half the sport and expect easy wins, you train for what you get into.
Haha pretty good. I liked that they were both pretty good, pretty even matched in size and all, and both fought fairly pure in regards to their respective sports. One thing I noticed here for the boxer and remember from my first getting into mma (from early boxing and judo background) is just how much getting attacked with all those low kicks especially really throws off your whole boxing game if you're not used to it. I definitely think he got a good taste of that and could see it affecting him quite quickly. Even when the may Thai guy stopped throwing kicks he was still thrown off and wary of them which made it alot easier for the may Thai guy to outbox him hands alone. I think after while of that the boxer started getting his rhythm back and doing better.... but if the may Thai guy had started mixing in kicks again at that stage it'd have messed him up big time and be hard to get it back. Good video bro. Thanks.
Taiwanese guy is pretty good. The amount of faints in Muay Thai can be confusing for a boxer tho and cause them to overreact . Plus, the M Thai guy has good boxing skills anyway.
Round 2 must've been solely boxing. I noticed the shin guards came off for this round. That's why the Muay Thai guy didn't crush that lead leg like he would've in round 1.
problem with boxing vs kickboxing is : boxer sometimes duck very deep.. and then they might get hit with a knee.. im not a pro but that what my coach told me ..and after the 3rd time going deep i had a knee in my face.. and it wasnt even on purpose
You gotta watch those deep bobs and weaves against a Thai boxer. If you duck into a kick, it's going to hurt. I know this from first hand experience 😂. My ears are still ringing
The boxer in this video is clearly still learning, the fact he moves back in straight lines and is not finding angles, mixing up range makes you a sitting duck against muay thai, they pretty much fight in straight lines, and you'll get demolished.
I assume in the second round they said boxing only. You can see the shin pads are off, that's why he isn't throwing kicks. Unless, the boxer wanted shin on shin contact, but I doubt it.
the thai wouldn't let him. if the boxer try to create an angle, he will get kicked in the legs. also is harder to get an angle when your opponent is in a square stance
Its crazy when you realize that if muay thai guy just spammed the low kick the boxer would have been humiliated. He literally has no defense for it. Its like if you were fighting a boxer and you had no clue how to defend body shots. The one “defense” boxer has is involuntarily putting his hand down to try to block, so muay thai could easily have punished that with a question mark kick, or a superman punch. Or just keep kicking the arm. That would be punishment enough.
He's not even kicking him hard...without pads. Sweeping most boxers is easy too. One can often attack/trap their hands and arms pretty easily also. Their movement and punch combos are often fantastic compared to other strikers though.
I can only assume this wasn't real sparring but some friendly exchange, cause the boxer continuously move to the distance but this distance doesn't work for a boxer and he gets kicked and can't counter.
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So, even though I know Thai Boxing or kick boxing is superior. There are ways for a boxer to defeat a kick boxer. And one of the ways is pressure fighting inside the pocket. You cannot stand outside the pocket because you'll get chopped up by the leg kicks. Inside fighting is where the boxer has the advantage. However, you would have to parry and control the elbows and knees. Despite Thai fighters having more weapons, the boxer has demonstrated better inside movement and fighting than. However, due to ego and money, it'll be hard to get an elite boxer challenge an elite kick boxer. My money would be on the Thai fighter unless the boxer has a good strategy.
Hey I'ma do another kickboxing sparring event type thing. I'll send you the vids when I do. But brotha. I saw something that might interest you. So I was on FB. And I saw an add for an Indian guru keeping some old old Indian martial art alive, I think it's called shastar vidiya guru. But guess who he really looks like move wise.
I was like where have I seen this before ?
THE RUSSIAN CRAZY MASTER!!! Dude they even do the head thing. It's definitely worth a look into.
@@JEDIAL9 Boxing have huge advantage over kickboxing. Boxer can escape from low kicks. Just move away front leg and MT will miss and spin around. Then right cross and left hook.
@@LORDVADER357 So, what you're saying is a kickboxer can't evade low kicks? Your mistake is that you're blinded by kick boxing's EIGHT limb weapons compared to boxings TWO limb weapons. Kick boxing allows knees and elbows while boxing only uses their hands. Other than technique, boxing has no physical advantage over kick boxing. *TWO* weapons can't beat *EIGHT* weapons! And this is why Floyd Mayweather Jr or any retired professional boxer NEVER fights an MMA fighter by their rules!
@@JEDIAL9 I am not saying that kick boxer can't evade low kicks. I am saying that boxer can evade low kick. Boxer can punch elbows, knees etc. Punch.
Bro that muay thai guy was outboxing the boxer because the boxer got too concerned about the kicks and let his guard down. Those thai fighters are in a league of their own. Also im not sure if u guys noticed but the second round is just boxing. U can tell immediately because they didnt have the shin guards anymore
The boxer needed to be the aggressive one and constantly closing his gap even if it means he might take a hit or two in the process cuz he's outranged, but he let the kick threats get into his head and played too defensively.
@@giraffeorganic facts well said
And trying to block a kick with his hand💀🙏
If you're not used to taking leg kicks, especially if the opponent is trained & condition to deliver devastating leg kicks to the calfs or inner / outer thighs, really...all it takes is maybe one or two solid leg kicks, and the boxer is compromised.
@@giraffeorganic Pretty much. If you don't know how to deal with a particular style then there's no chance that you come out of a fight against it unscathed. You just have to maximize the damage output of your own style
Muay Thai guy is being nice, that leg was open the entire fight but chose to box and throw a few kicks 😂
Exactly. If it was 100% he’d blast a low kick and the fight is over at that point
@@ppvplug3940 It only takes 1 kick?
@@guapify2320 yes, just how boxers can condition their bodies to a certain degree, you can condition your calf’s to a certain degree as well. If your legs not conditioned to take a calf kick, that thing is dead with 1 calf kick. Even in MMA, a few clean calf kicks 4-5 have a fighter moving differently. That’s how Dustin porier beat Conor the second time, Conor was too focused on boxing and Dustin kept going for calf kicks until Conor couldn’t even move on it anymore. Now imagine a guy who doesn’t even kick taking a calf kick
@@ppvplug3940 Good point
dozens of Muay Thai fighters had made the transition to boxing and were extremely successful becoming world champions or Olympic medalist with only the 20 percent of their Muay Thai. But a boxer never won and never will win a title in Muay Thai because boxers are shitty strikers.
My 2 cents as a Pure Boxer,
Unfortunately when this comes up, (Boxer vs KickBoxer) instead of leaning into our strengths we forget our basics and try new weird things like "trying to catch the kick" or "going under a kick as if it was a hook" or worst one is "just take the kick and see how much it hurts".
IF this was really a Boxer vs KickBoxer type scenario they need to rely more on their angles, Getting in and out of range, Circling, Setting up shots and REALLY Popping the Jab.
As a Muay Thai guy who has a lot of boxers coming through the gym to spar, the range is insurmountable for someone who doesn't know how to kick or how to deal with kicks. Particularly when clinching is allowed. Your lead leg will always get kicked before your jab lands, and any combo with your hands is shut down with teep kicks. Boxing is an amazing sport, but just like Muay Thai guys get dominated in MMA if they don't train MMA, boxers get dominated in Muay Thai if they don't train Muay Thai. It's a specialization vs generalist situation.
@@colet1096 That's just what I always thought. I don't know why people are coming up with these scenarios where a boxer COULD beat a kickboxer, when kickboxing has punches and kicks vs. just punches.
It's someone who does 100% of the sport vs. someone who only does 50%, kinda like how Muay Thai, Kyokushin, Dutch kickboxing, Japanese Kickboxing, etc. are really 50% of MMA.
@@colet1096 Thats a pretty good take. I love boxing. The only chance I have is my reach and hope it's longer than someone's front leg lmao
@@colet1096 I agree the kicks should be respected but I have to disagree on two things. The part where kicks will always get there before punches, if that was the case MMA or Muay Thai guys wouldnt throw punches at all. Second (and this ties into the first) is Boxers use our legs differently. Our foot work gives us the chance to do defensive moves you cant in kickboxing. My original point was to use our strengths instead of getting mesmerized by the hands up in front and ignoring the kick. So I think we're pretty much on the same page. If you want an example, look up Nick Diaz Boxing. He states exactly what Im saying.
Man you think Muay Thai don't also" "Getting in and out of range, Circling, Setting up shots and REALLY Popping the Jab"? Boxer was lucky he wasn't going hard with the kicks. Just about anything that you'd do as a pure Boxer, would be a good time for getting kicked in the leg; after 1-4 good kicks w/o shinguards, you'd be at 50-60% in everything.
Doesn't seem like they are on the same level. Muay Thai guy clearly has a lot of experience and is a professional fighter. The boxer looks like a hobbyist to me, not saying he's terrible but he's clearly not on the professional level of the Muay Thai guy.
Yeah , sure. You can see that 5:17 (and second round was PURE boxing round). And fun fact : you'll never see that ANY professional boxer will come to the ring with amateur muay thai fighter (i dont see stuff like that on YT at all, there's always amateur boxer vs amateur muay thai , amateur boxer vs professional muay thai , professional boxer vs professional muay thai stuff)
@@mrboy9658 the mauy Thai dude had better boxing then him, he was more worthy of being called a pro boxer than the boxer, he's definitely a beginner
@@dr_logical_b3a5t63 muay thai fighter was the better fighter overall yes but that boxer wasn’t a beginner, he def had reasonable experience based on his punches and movement still looked relaxed
@@grantbrysacz through out the entire session he only landed 2 good shots, other than that he was kinda terrible relatively, he's definitely not a not a big name for a reason, perhaps he just started pro, however in every scenario the experience gap is clear. And you know it's a problem when the mauy Thai guy is better at boxing than the boxer, which allows me to conclude that it is a beginner boxer who wants to learn from the muay Thai dude. It's almost on the level of a coach and a student
@@dr_logical_b3a5t63 i don’t think the boxer is actually a pro, maybe he had one fight for money and says that. but as far as the muay thai fighter, i would be willing to bet money he has experience boxing, at the very least training and sparring with experienced boxers and im sure he’s found success in muay thai
I've trained both boxing and kickboxing competitively. I've found that a "feeling out round" has a high likelihood of getting my lead leg smashed or my ribs crushed. If you are a boxer, apply pressure. Do not allow a superior kicker to get into a comfortable range. High guard, stalk them, corner them, flurry, body shots, and mix in some leg kicks. I've been able to out-skill "superior kickboxers" to myself because I wouldn't allow them to play their game.
I honestly don’t see how that can work unless you just completely out skilled the person. If I can use everything if a boxer tries to rush me down Ik typically you have your head tucked. Ill just turtle up clinch you and just try to knee your head off or most likely knee your ribs I don’t feel comfortable kneeing someone who’s just using hands. You honestly can’t even use all you can against a boxer because it just feels unfair.
Tkd background with kickboxing here. My coach told me to stop kicking, guy then wailed on my mid section and I lit his legs up. I'm the new guy so his ego was sore
Let boxer hit on leg
That’s exactly what I was thinking too. He’d almost have moments of success but then he too hesitant to capitalize on it. Had he blocked a kick (or even ate one considering he took them fairly well) and stepped forward punching he probably would’ve done pretty decent had he not constantly paused to look for a certain shot/backed out to change his position.
This is the way. Ring goes, it's go time.
Love it when boxers challenge themselves. I've always thought it would be cool if boxers beat Muay Thai fighters by using pure boxing, like the old style vs style matches
Theres always a punchers change but lets say you had 100 muay thai vs boxing matches and they both had similar amount of experience in their art and all else is equal, I'd say the Muay thai fighters win 85-90 out of the 100 matches. With 10 losses coming by the boxer landing a knockout punch.
@@lastword8783
I know that Muay Thai fighters would obviously win. Boxers don't know how to take kicks or clinch
@@hypnoticskull6342 def, whole different striking league
Yeah I miss the style versus style match 😅
@@didjitalone9544 Botha was also old and toward the end of his career. His wins were still impressive.
I'm a boxer who's been training mma for 6 months, I adjusted to blocking kicks quite quickly. My main issue was getting spammed with thigh kicks to my lead leg 🤣
You have to tighten up and counter or pull out your leg and counter. Never let it be free and it won't get spammed
Pain is ignorance leaving the body.
@@hithere4719 I like that 🤣🤣🤣
That's that boxing stance kicking in lol
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The boxers name is Nick Pan
He's a RUclipsr in Taiwan
He is famous for copying Tony Jeffries videos and got exposed recently
His response was also quite legendary
First apology denying it
Second apology saying he only extracted highlights
Third apology saying he already apologized twice so ppl should move on
That’s funny af
Interesting matchup. The second round maybe was boxing only. If the muay thai dude kept kicking it would have been a very easy win.
Imho either that muay guy trains his hands a lot in his gym or maybe he cross trains in boxing, because his boxing was crisp and outperformed the boxer for basically the entirety of the fight.
Regarding your last question, I guess that if each kick is thrown and landed at full power (something the thai guy can do at leisure, since he knows the boxer has no response for them), that small amount of kicks might be able to take the wind out of the boxer or make his legs hurt enough so that it weakens his punches as you said.
You don't often see a lot of good striking on this channel, particularly from both combatants. Both dudes were solid. Entertaining fight.
I was about to say that 👌
well they aint using kungfu so...
Boxer has poor head movement and footwork
Head movement only when punching
And footwork and stance is literally almost non existent
@@AbbsJr he looks like he's looking out for the kicks and forgetting about them punches
@@HiroIndo16 heh. Casual
From my experience sparring boxers (Muay Thai base then changed to boxing and mma striking), once kicks are involved it really messes up their striking distance and it makes them super hard to adjust to fighting longer
You can see the boxer constantly on edge for the kicks. Really goes to show how important it is to train for different things. He is not used to facing against someone that kicks
Second round was only boxing. The shin guards were off.
Commentary failed to mention the fact that they took off their shin guards in the second round and seemed to agree to just box instead.
Both men showed great restraint, they were both going light and very respectful. Being a boxing enthusiast myself, i must say, the boxer would get murked if they were going at it for real.
My "strategy" from boxer's perspective would be:
1)throw out of the window in and out stuff,as well as outboxing things
2)continuously push with separate punches, to and throw combo if at any point kicker gets hurt or outbalanced
3)mid and close range stuff only
4)instead of doing that classical in and out just keep side stepping...
My point is that instead of trying to "outfight" moves of your opponent that you have no answer for it you should just do you your best to not allow him use those things in the first place...play based on cards that you actually have ,not based on cards that you wish you had...
Yeah you need to be aggressive and come forward constantly. You will get punished badly trying to employ a outside boxing style with no idea how to deal with kicking or kick back
Can you tell me what you mean by the word window?
Exactly, you shall focus on your do's and less focused on what can be done to you...
Muay Thai fighters can develop amazing hands thanks to his Muay Thai training from a really young age, many Muay Thai fighter have better hands than most boxer, and a Muay Thai fighter can defeat boxers in boxing rules
Thai fighters are more complete yes, but better bands than boxers? Boxers only train with the hands, they are superior with the hands, ofc some thai fighters are better with the hands but not every tha fighter, that is like say, "some muay thai fighters are better in the clinch than greco roman wrestlers" simply not. There is a reasson why MMA fighters train pure boxing in they training
Muay Thai coach here.
A judo practioner is called a judoka. A Karate fighter is a karateka. A Muay Thai fighter is called a Nak Muay. Its the champagne of kickboxing. They're not kickboxers anymore than kickboxers are Nak Muay. The training, the scoring, and the rules are different. Its like saying Nascar and F1 are the same because they both drive cars fast.
Muay Thai is the most complete stand up martial arts in the world....Imagine clinching, elbows and knees being allowed against a boxer. Sambo and Judo are the most complete grappling martial arts as well, Sambo is pretty much all forms of wrestling in 1 and Judo is Jiu Jitsu with takedowns involved. Jiu Jitsu was created from Judo
Side note, Sambo comes from Judo.
Judo, which is a sport, is a derivative of jiu jitsu, which itself is a derivative from boa constrictor kung fu. Boa is the most lethal followed by jiu jitsu. Judo is the least lethal since it's a sport after all.
@@georgcantor7172 Jiu Jitsu came from a Judo Master named Mitsuyo Maeda who went to Brazil to teach them Kano's Jiujitsu, which would later become the sport called Judo. Maeda trained a Brazilian named Carlos Gracie, and his brothers who changed Kano's Jiujitsu to Gracie's and later to Brazilian Jiujitsu. They were more of a submission based Jiujitsu instead of Kano's wrestling and slamming based Jiujitsu
I would argue that Sanda is the most complete stand up martial art in the world due to it's wrestling like takedown instead of exclusively trips
@@matthewa2095 i train Muay Thai and got to spar a Sanda figher. Was interesting as they incorporate bit of kung fu and whip style kicks
I remember going from kickboxing/karate to boxing many years ago for the first time, and just feeling how refreshing it was to not have to worry about kicks. When you add kicks as a legitimate threat, there's just so much more to worry about (and then that increases again when you go to MMA sparring and add takedowns). That said, I was never very good at either, so maybe that has more to do with my low aptitude than boxing and "kickboxing" (MT, K1, etc.).
@@tatumergo3931 thanks for the kind words! I think I'm just sort of naturally geared towards grappling for some reason. It's odd, because as a kid I always wanted to do striking styles and I sort of accidentally fell into grappling because my university had a judo and aikido club so I just did that. Karate, TKD, and boxing (I did karate and TKD for a few years each, boxing for just one year) just never stuck with me.
Granted, I'm not especially great at grappling either lol
This inspires me to start doing muay thai and boxing at the same time!
Just do muay thai
@@buddahkush3801 out here in Thailand most of the top guys do western boxing (in the thai army) and muay thai - Examples Superlek/Sittichai/Superbon/Kaew Fairtex and thais with boxing coach like Buakaw/Yodsanklai/Tawanchai (all the PK Saenchai fighters got this super boxing coach)
@@Thabooka i didt know that my dream is going to Thailand and getting better at muay thai
that's the same thing as just doing muay thai.
Know what's even more fun than that? Double over hooks to prevent punches, then knee the shyt outta him. I've never met a boxer who could fight with knees in the clinch. Unless of course, he was a Thai boxer.
The secret to fighting a kickboxer/as a pure boxer (in my opinion as a person who's only trained boxing but has sparred under kickboxing rules) is to not over complicate things in your head. Just remember basic things like countering the leg kick with the right cross, dont reach for kicks, and dont use too much head movement and to rely more on parrying and footwork.
I'm guessing that the second round was just a boxing round.
They lost already at that point lol
Yea, They took their leg gear off second round
I got hit by the same combo Usman did when I first did this. My buddy wanted to try his kicks and I hadn’t worked out my defense yet, so I threw my head right into it 😂.
Ah the classic "bash my forehead into their shin" defense 😂
This was really cool.
I was rooting for muay thai guy.
Thank you for sharing ☺️.
Jerry! Keep making the great content! Your vids are relaxed and informative! Cheers!
The boxer was a beginner as judging from the second round which was pure boxing, muay thai guy still had the upperhand. The boxer did the crucial mistake of not pacing up with the muay thai fighter. Both sports are brutal in their own way. It depends on skill, power, and footwork of their opponent
0:52 that was quick reaction 😲
"Every boxer has an excellent head movement until they get a kick to the leg."
Iron Muaythaison
The coach in the ring was a great fighter in his day when at sityodtong. The guy in the black standing on the ring is also a big muay thai fighter name is sudsakorn sor klimee.
Thanks for the info!
As a pure boxer, I would never challenge a muay thai or kick boxer in their sport I know damn well those kicks hurt
Many people don't know that there is a style called "Muay Mud" which is the fighters who are better with their hands, and most of the time they are are pressure fighters too. Like Rodtang for example, but more experience means more skills. So he is good with other limbs too, but still not his main weapon
i just love how casual the commentary is, legendery😂😂
The peekaboo style boxing gives the kickboxers the hardest time because of the angles and explosiveness 👍
El de Muay Thai casi ni usó las patadas para hacerlo todo más justo...
Se nota la superioridad del Muay Thai.
Muay Thai guy clearly has 300 fights under his belt😂
Haha fight twice a week for years
He just got done with his fight. Mf still in that super saiyan ultra instinct mode. 😂
Seems like they were both chilling so I don't think you can judge his skills when they weren't going 100
LOL I think this guy just only a trainer not even a proper fighter.
@@pichupuche2474 nono he's a fighter, we're friends in real life, his name is Yodpt and he's honestly amazing, he just won a WBC belt.
As a person who actively does both Muay Thai and Boxing, I'd say gun is the better fighting style.
Im a thai practicioner from Brazil and here we put a lot of effort on boxe too... Maybe its because the muay thai guy was been nice but i whould have kicked a lot more and when the boxer get used to the kicks i whould started to faint some kicks to lower his hands to open him to some punches.
That sayied, i do spar with boxers from time to time and usually their boxe is better then mine and their footwork too, even if they have the habit to let the lead leg open (and they do).
To answer the question: what happens when you kick a boxer?
Deppend on the boxer lol. Ive seen boxers lost completelly after a few kicks and boxers ajust very fast to the distance since they almost always can get in and out faster then me.
That boxer definitely needs more training
Yes? You saw him dodging from his punches?
Muay thai and boxing aren't same, training, workouts also aren't same.
Peoples living in thai already addicted to 30°C or higher weather, training outdoor. Boxers not. The second round thai guy hits boxer's head bit stronger. My opinion is the boxer was really tired after round 1 due to warm weather.
And other opinion go boxing then you will know what will happen after sparring with amateur boxers, do not lift the leg while fighting.
This is Sudsakorn gym in Pattaya.
He is the one standing in the red corner.
Fighter is YodPT and trainer is Ekapop klinmee
Not sure if you realized but round 1 was Muay Thai rules, round 2 shin pads are off and boxing only.
But yeah, the leg kicks took their toll and slowed down the boxer quite a bit.
He’s a boxing coach and a RUclipsr in Taiwan who was accused of plagiarism by another RUclipsr.
He made most of his videos by plagiarizing out of Tony Jeffery’s videos.
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They were alternating rounds between kick boxing and boxing rules, no Muay rules here (no clinch, no knees, no elbows, no sweeps). The Muay thai guy has been cool with the boxer by not throwing too many kicks (especially on his leading leg). Also the boxing dodges are very dangerous against a guy that throw knees because if you go down you get your face crushed by a knee that goes up. Same with side dodges, if your opponent can read it, you take a high kick in the head (look at the last Edwards vs Usman) .
i'm a boxer and last time i fought a mui thai guy i'd close every time he threw a kick and knock him off balance. I was a wrestler in high school too and we were doing mma style so i would just take him down whenever he'd try to kick.
I am curious if they’ve both been fighting for the same amount of time, because one person looks to have vastly more experience.
I thought the same my negro amigo.
I don’t know the boxers background but he seemed to always be in a state of “uhh what do I do now?” Which is a common beginner thing. And the Muay Thai guy was barely kicking, so it didn’t have much to do with that. But every time I see the boxer get blitzed by a 1-2 with no defense in mind, it just reminds me of my early sparring days where I constantly had to tell myself “oh yeah. I should protect my head.” It’s different than incidentally eating punches while being defensive. He just had a lot of moments where he was just standing there, waiting for him to do something instead of initiating his offense.
He isn’t bad by any means. I’m just curious how long he has been boxing. Very entertaining btw.
You might think that a boxer's eyesight must be better. But dont forget that Muay Thai does not only look at punches, elbows, knees, kicks, they must protect all 4 parts.
This was not boxer vs Muay Thai.
This was boxer vs Thai who didn’t clinch, knee, elbow, teep, or even really kick.
I love boxing but it’s only one weapon of a Nak muays arsenal.
Had the Thai wanted to the match is over in the first round.
It took me a minute to figure out which one was the boxer. The Thai fighter has better hands, imo.
Its like using a sword against a spear
I like that Nicky genuinely wanted to see if Boxing could stand up to Muay Thai. If he was looking to get into kickboxing, this might have sold him right here. Now I will say this, just because this particular Muay Thai fighter bested a boxer doesn't mean every single one will. And as far as sports go, not very many kickboxers, and MMA fighters can successfully make that transition into just boxing. So if you are a boxer, and watched this and thought "Man I shoulda went into kickboxing" erase that thought out of your head. Every martial art has its practical uses. From a business perspective Boxing will make you more money, and is potentially safer than Kickboxing. But no one should be fighting with a business perspective. Godspeed.
Depends on range too... Close range boxers are good at grappling and can practice mma also
One thing I’ve always heard about boxers vs kickboxers is that take away the kicks the boxer will win, not always i kickbox and I barely throw kicks since I’m not long enough to be consistent with them, so when I go into the boxing class I can consistently keep up or outbox the pure boxers there
1…. Leg kick is enough to make a boxer change his approach 🙏🏾
That kickboxer was being gentle , he could have kneed him in the face 3 times , doing that bobbing and weaving stuff 😅
Also, knees to the bread belly were there for the pickings, all day long, not to mention the high kicks to the face , and even the front kick was there for the pickings 😅.
The deciding factor in just about every fight is your hands. I know how to kick and I do use them sparingly, but I'm really much more of a puncher. I've sparred kickboxers with piss poor boxing skills. Their kicks didnt make any difference. If you watch this fight, the kickboxer had better hand skills. That's what made the difference.
You´re plain right my negro amigo.
It all depends on the skill level. This muay Thai guy is obviously more experienced in his field than the boxer is in his field. Let someone fight like Mike Tyson, Ali or Floyd and this would be different because of better footwork and quicker/more aggressive
The leg kicks will definitely slow down the boxer. They don't condition their legs so the muscle will be at less capacity after just a few kicks I would say. He probably generated less power in his punches after those kicks to body/legs.
Also affects his ability to move and slip.
‘Slip, straight, hook, overhand’ proceeds to miss them all lol
and the muay thai guy was very friendly, he did not very often lowkicks although they really hurts
the MT guy went easy on him
100%. I don't know why the nak muay punched as much as he did. There was no reason at all for him to lose or come off worse in any of the close up engagements where he could have clinched. No leg kicks without the shin pads either. Bit of a silly video for them to say this is boxing vs muay thai and then we learn the nak muay has rules to restrict lots of his movements and just turn this into a boxing bout. Basically, it's an ego video for the boxer which is outright ridiculous. If you're going to challenge someone, then they fight their fight and you fight yours and we'll see who denies who.
I would never agree to letting someone fight their A-game whilst I am limited to C-game due to most of my discipline and techniques being removed. Utterly pointless. Just call it a boxing bout and be done with it.
Woah, that Muay Thai guy is so good, he even beats the boxer at boxing.
He is a true master of the eight limbs
I've had sparring with a muay thai pro before in Thailand. Yes they can box. They would make great boxers in the pros but they all decide to go with muay thai instead unfortunately.
He immediately became to concerned about the kicks
There's definitely a huge experience gap between the 2, almost like a pro mauy Thai fighter Vs a boxer beginner, it also almost seems like the mauy Thai dude is actually tryna train the boxer
wouldn't say that boxer is a beginner, more like intermediate level
@@joesr31 well he isn't. He don't even fight. He just slaps the bag with gloves nor does he have a real trainer. He a joke boxer and I'm not being funny he actually is a joke boxer. He was playing games with a TKD dude he "sparred" this was his only real Training session with the MT guy. He don't even punch bags he slaps it
@@joesr31 serious dude look at his channel. He's more of a social media boxer like how all these cheap youngsters do it too look cool
It's like lets race 100 m, a swimmer in the pool vs a guy running on land. with a top kicker, the boxer wouldn't be able to even get close. This Muay Thai guy is just being super nice.
Boxer: Hey I wanna challenge any Muay Thai guy here.
MT guy: ok, (and I will challenge myself boxing with a boxer with no kicking lol).
thats why bruce lee shifted from limiting himself with a one style
and invented "jeet kune do" that get the best of almost every martial art out there at his time
and later on jeet kune do become the root of UFC ,
as it encourage learning whatever is useful to become a complete fighter that can punch, kick, submit , wrestle , and all that
this channel sounds like newb when they said the boxer performed bad because he got kicked early. right at the start we can see the muay thai guy is also a superior pure puncher. it doesn't matter if he uses boxing, kickboxing, or muay thai. the other guy is outclassed regardless. but this channel still thinks the boxer is a boxer and says he's getting out punched because he was kicked. any well-versed person can see the muay thai guy is better at everything early on. and the title makes it sound like kicks were a key factor, but the muay thai guy could've schooled him without any kicks at all. this was just a young influencer going to a muay thai gym and getting schooled. even if it was pure punching, the boxer celebrity would've still be schooled.
also want to add, the muay thai guy's coach wanted him to kick more in round 1, but muay thai guy did not kick more. reason is likely that muay thai guy was testing if he was a better puncher in the 1st round, so he only kicked a bit. then muay thai guy realized he is better at pure fist. btw, in round 2 they went pure boxing.
the title might as well be "muay thai guy is better at boxing."
Muay Thai guy for sure can box
Another great breakdown from y’all
if you want to challenge a kick boxer/muay tai fighter you must be more aggressive and get in close where they can't kick or you will be picked apart
Watch out for the clinch lol
@@jerraethomas2378 boxers clinch too, but they will be at a disadvantage because they don't clich like they used too
@@obsidianx01 Knees and elbows aren't part of the clinch in boxing boxing clinch is basically a hug since you can just use arms
Or you can train Kickboxing to withstand Kickboxing. Wanna defend against kicks? Kickboxing is your best bet. Wanna defend against punches? Boxing may help, but Kickboxing works for that too. Wanna defend against being tackled? Take Wrestling, Judo, BJJ, Sambo, etc.
You don't do half the sport and expect easy wins, you train for what you get into.
@@obsidianx01 The Elbow and the knee you are dead bro.
I was 140lbs going into basic training and there was some buff dude around 220-230lbs he let me leg kick him once and he had to sit down for a while
Haha pretty good. I liked that they were both pretty good, pretty even matched in size and all, and both fought fairly pure in regards to their respective sports.
One thing I noticed here for the boxer and remember from my first getting into mma (from early boxing and judo background) is just how much getting attacked with all those low kicks especially really throws off your whole boxing game if you're not used to it. I definitely think he got a good taste of that and could see it affecting him quite quickly. Even when the may Thai guy stopped throwing kicks he was still thrown off and wary of them which made it alot easier for the may Thai guy to outbox him hands alone. I think after while of that the boxer started getting his rhythm back and doing better.... but if the may Thai guy had started mixing in kicks again at that stage it'd have messed him up big time and be hard to get it back.
Good video bro. Thanks.
Taiwanese guy is pretty good. The amount of faints in Muay Thai can be confusing for a boxer tho and cause them to overreact .
Plus, the M Thai guy has good boxing skills anyway.
Good Muay Thai Skills he is using Muay Thai punches.
I think the may Thai guy was just a higher class fighter, seemed like a pro but the boxer guy seemed like a good amateur boxer
Round 2 must've been solely boxing. I noticed the shin guards came off for this round. That's why the Muay Thai guy didn't crush that lead leg like he would've in round 1.
Mad respect for both men. 💪🏻💪🏻
they muay thai guy was really nice, by not chopping his leg so much and probably alot more experienced fighter overall. was really fun to watch tho!
problem with boxing vs kickboxing is : boxer sometimes duck very deep.. and then they might get hit with a knee.. im not a pro but that what my coach told me ..and after the 3rd time going deep i had a knee in my face.. and it wasnt even on purpose
A guy who can really throw flying knees will smell that from a mile away so yeah, you and your friend are right.
Better to go from boxing to K1 than Muay Thai, which can't decide whether it's wrestling or boxing.
Thanks for this!!
You gotta watch those deep bobs and weaves against a Thai boxer. If you duck into a kick, it's going to hurt. I know this from first hand experience 😂. My ears are still ringing
Yup. that head kick while you are dropping your weight straight down lol
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Ay bruh, you learned real quick after that kick huh 😂
@@flyingknee23 Never did it again, lol. Nothing teaches a lesson like head trauma. Unless the head trauma is bad enough, then you forget everything 😂
@@bandit6272 there’s the lesson 😂🤝
Jerry, you should also do the match between Nick and 健人蓋伊（Kick boxer who tried boxer rules)
Tell me more! Do you have a link?
@@FightCommentary ruclips.net/video/imsoq4j5PhE/видео.html
That was very kind of him not to blast him in the face ever time he dropped his lead arm to try and block a kick
Round 1 looks like kickboxing rules.
Round 2 looks like boxing rules.
The boxer in this video is clearly still learning, the fact he moves back in straight lines and is not finding angles, mixing up range makes you a sitting duck against muay thai, they pretty much fight in straight lines, and you'll get demolished.
I’m confused, “the boxer is the one in grey” only one wearing grey is the guy reffing
Terrible observation skills too, he stopped kicking because they took off the shin pads
I assume in the second round they said boxing only. You can see the shin pads are off, that's why he isn't throwing kicks. Unless, the boxer wanted shin on shin contact, but I doubt it.
Note how in the second round they both have boxer's stance and not muay thai stance.
Basic rule in boxing : create angle not distance, the boxer was standing in front at distance
the thai wouldn't let him. if the boxer try to create an angle, he will get kicked in the legs. also is harder to get an angle when your opponent is in a square stance
Its crazy when you realize that if muay thai guy just spammed the low kick the boxer would have been humiliated. He literally has no defense for it. Its like if you were fighting a boxer and you had no clue how to defend body shots.
The one “defense” boxer has is involuntarily putting his hand down to try to block, so muay thai could easily have punished that with a question mark kick, or a superman punch. Or just keep kicking the arm. That would be punishment enough.
He's not even kicking him hard...without pads.
Sweeping most boxers is easy too.
One can often attack/trap their hands and arms pretty easily also.
Their movement and punch combos are often fantastic compared to other strikers though.
The second round is boxing round FYI. You can see they both had their shin guards off.
I can only assume this wasn't real sparring but some friendly exchange, cause the boxer continuously move to the distance but this distance doesn't work for a boxer and he gets kicked and can't counter.
Love seeing these, Muay Thai all the way ❤️
They’ve obviously agreed nonkicks in the last round, they took the shin pads off. Thai boxer has good hands too.
Without training kicks you are essentially in a boxing match with Goro. Your opponent just has more limbs to use.
The Muay Thai guy it called Yodpt..i've meet him 2 weeks ago in italy. amazing guy. and fresh Wbc Champion