Well it was the stupidity of your ancestors to fall for their deception.You must respect and learn from their incredible ability to manipulate simpletons in order to profit of off them.There are two kinds of people in this world the ones who get manipulated and the ones who do manipulate,the latter would indubitably be the one who steals the cake.
India improved because of British colonization! India was never a country before the British came. It was a dirt poor land with illiterate farmers. The British came and for two hundred years significantly IMPROVED the lives of Indians. The British developed roads, infrastructure, hospitals, a system of education with schools and colleges. Introduced the English language. Introduced sports like cricket, field hockey and track and field. Later the British helped developed a government and finally helped India become an independent country in 1947. I should know I am from India, I was born there, both my parents were born there and all four of my grandparents and all eight of my great-grandparents were born there.
Baby boy just compare the gdp before and after britishers left india. Read about it, you know how to do that don't you?? I have heard brits are dumb but i think you can read about it and get to know real history
Shashi Tharoor's Oxford Union speech on 28 May 2015 was in favour of the motion, "This house believes Britain owes reparations to her former colonies". Shashi Tharoor was the seventh speaker on his team and was allotted eight minutes to speak. In the end, Tharoor's side won the debate with 185 votes to 56. From wekipedia
BRITISH CRIMES IN INDIA. ( my response to dr Shashi Tharoor). ---------------------------------------- 1-By conquering all of India, Britain ended an age-old rivalry, conflicts & bloodshed between Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs & Marathas, and united them into one nation and made them all feel proud to be Indian. 2-saved millions of lives of widows by abolishing the centuries-old practice of Sati. 3- saved millions of lives by abolishing 1000s of years old practice of female infanticide in which the baby girls would be buried alive by parents to avoid paying dowry. 4- stopped Indians from butchering one another in the name of religion and caste. 5- promoted education and pulled Indians out of the dark ages and introduced them to the age of science and discovery. 6- built roads, bridges, schools and railway tracks and govt buildings like the parliament house and the president house. 7- introduced Indians to sewers, water closets and running water. Indians had been going to the jungle for the call of nature for 1000s of years. 8- gave the gift of the English language that is helping the subcontinent to learn science. 9- gave Indians a single currency. 10-protected the lives of minorities. 11- gave security and equal opportunity to all Indians. 12-stopped discrimination and racism based on religion or caste. 13- civilised Indians and taught them to respect and abide by the rule of law. 14- built army and police for the entire country. 15- introduced democracy in India and taught Indians the importance of secular and democratic values. 16- gave all Indians eq
@@vvwalker7261 oh god, u just read my mind…. That’s how woke the whole world is…. This dude speaks of hard truth… if Britain must owe something to India then it owes to almost all the countries in the world and every country would be asking for reparations and then what Britain go bankrupt??
At the end the speaker said that Scotland would get reperations by imposing taxes on England, when he started the argument that Scotland benefited from Colonial GB. He expects reparations when they have benified where's he argues that who have suffered shouldn't even look at the history on moral grounds.
Rahul Singh yes, indeed. His point is null. Unlike the British, Bengal did not impose undue taxes and tarrifs on Dundee, did not go to Dundee to beat the people there. If what he says is true, it looks Dundee went out of business by natural market forces and not by the forcing of Bengal.
***** By his logic China should owe reparations to the US for wiping out their manufacturing ... on second thought it should owe reparations to the whole world ... It is known as a Masked Man line of argumentation ... I think Dr Shashi Tharoor did a great job to list down facts that clearly highlight why this substitution of UK with Bengal is not valid. But unfortunately, he did not get a chance to address this directly.
***** Not just that; but let us assume for a moment that India DOES owe reparations to Dundee, then those reparations to Dundee will be far outweighed and nullified by the moral debt to be paid by Britain to India. He's just created a straw man.
+Dylan James we would have been in a more better position both in terms of development and economic progress than of now. Our India does progress with time in each and and every aspect including civilised culture. "Looting" the other country for the sake of your economic benefit and then giving these stupid excuses does shows state of your mind which is still disturbed!
@Rahul Singh aah that is nothing. One of the Britishers on the same topic in a debate said that India has to be grateful to the Britishers/East India company since they created the concept of "companies" (despite loot and murder for 400 yrs) and Indians are going to companies everyday 9 to 5. LOL. When they bullshit, they are shameless !!
iam Indian living in India, I agree with you that no apology or reparations needs to be paid by Britain.......Coaches for railways built by British is still used in India, education at least 50 % of population speak english and every third house goes to America becuase of this...............and i can cite many more examples where benefits far outweigh the suffering(sufferig by someone like Gandhi has no relevance to Gandhis of today). India is a paradoxical country with no proper rule even today...................they are meant to be ruled by others. Karma is beautiful word that exists in India, so you can blame it on karma for all the suffering(if there was any).
British railway was build to transfer Indian raw materials to port it was no where build for Indian, it was after independence the government of India diverted the track for public interest, so in 70 year of independence what more you expect India had 90% of population living below poverty line now it is 30% literacy rate has improved, British broke the backbone of Indian economy but still GOI is doing it's best
@@mewtew8006 Killing innocent people, coming in the county with the promise of trade and then backstabbing the welcoming country, laying their dirty and vulgar eyes on our women, taking our lands and grains without thinking of the cultivator and his family, forcefully recruiting Indians to fight the British wars, treating us like slaves, destroying our economy to become rich and powerful, enjoymf the deaths, torturing, destroying our industries, taking our valuable resources, takin our gems and wealth and most importantly not paying the billions and billions of debt Britain owes us till date. This is the uniqueness of Britain that cannot be surpassed by any other country.
+Calvin Jamison One learned Indian - Dr. Shashi Tharoor is in the favour, so Yeah Dear, we want reparations. Moreover, a murderer will never say that he wants himself hanged, similarly Britishers will never hold themselves responsible, which is the reason why three British fatsos won't favour reparations.
Liam Miller your country is getting more and more occupied by Indians, not because of the low IQs, but the opposite. The weak and ignorant words you said about us being uncivilized and having low IQ shows the person you are. I'm sure you are the type of person who is not just a racist but also against understanding stuff in a mature manner. Coming to Kohinoor, it was taken by Britishers and not offered by the country. You should not just be respectful for the country that your people exploited and be feeling guilty for, but also should be sensitive.
Liam Miller We weren't savage beasts or people with low IQ, we knew well enough what we needed to and we were a country. Seriously though, who wrote your facts and history? The same narsassistic lot like you? There was no need of killing and torturing our people for the mere benefit of your people. You gave us nothing more than what we couldn't have got. You pointing out on the 84 IQ makes me believe that's what you have. All you do is point that fake information around. I mean, sure your ancestors were douche and had no sense of humility, you just prove you are the same. I'm not gonna keep on saying you have a low IQ or how you are so blind to the fact we are smarter. Your queen had even excepted one of the people from our place as a teacher and lover some say. GROW UP.
@@rnbishop9185 Cause Scotland hates England and only the English people boast about their empire. And if you don't know anything, then shut up. Cause I have Scottish friends and they themselves say that they don't like England and it's empire.
@@arpanmalakar11 so you have a few Scottish friends so all Scots hate England. Do me a favour I don't pretend to understand your countries inner complexities and cultural norms so take your 3 Scottish friends and fuck off from us. It wasn't an English empire it's the British empire. Also Scottish soldiers went to India and fucked you over also.
So this dude's logic is, We plundered your country , took all your wealth, I don't know how I can pay you back, so lets just forget about it. There are MANY ways you can make reparations Johnny. 1. Provision of scolarships to Indians at your pricey universities on a greater scale. 2. Trade concessions. 3. Increased Import Of Indian goods. 4. Correct your history textbooks and say it like it is, let the youth know the foundation upon which your country developed. 5. Invest in the Indian economy. 6. Return the Kohinoor and other precious artefacts that you took (just for symbolic purposes) To name a few
@@Itsneptunebaby couldn't agree more but they should return the artifacts that are stored in museum as their colonial loots, this things are belong to indian civilization and this things must be returned because this things are our heritage.
@@neelpatel4406 im not indian but i 100% agree there is no point in arguing we all know who’s right and who’s wrong here If they only return the artifacts to the culture they belong too instead of keeping it in a posh British museum and attract tourist and get money if of it…they people of india and rest of world should be able to see their history…
The 4th Point is important. My Cousins live in The UK and they say that not once in the school have they said about the horrors put upon Indians by the British. My Cousin tried to stand up in History class when colonialism was being taught and he was silenced by the Teacher saying he was spitting nonsense. He pointed out the Jallianwala Bagh Massacre primarily and the teacher laughed how absurd he was. The 1st point is important step as well which should be carried out as quickly as possible as the NHS has loads of Indians in it helping the Economy and the Nation while paying their College Loans for longer time. As long as the Britishers now, Know how their so called Heritage and The Great Nation has been built upon, it is good enough for me.
India's economy under Mughal and British rule remained the Second largest economy in the world for hundreds of years until it was eclipsed by the USA and then Britain in the early 20th century. India's economy tanked after they gained independence from Britain so India can only blame itself for its miserable economic performance.
Did China and Japan impose restrictions on production and export of pearls in Sri Lanka and Gulf? did they burn the homes and cut hands of such traders in these country like Brits?? he's comparing fair competition to colonial exploitation!!!
@@cts9718 im talking behalf of india . china is doing wrong and it should do what it takes . but for now tibet is not capable to claim its rights . so lets dont go off the topic
@@mewtew8006 Theres a difference between invading and going into a few battles with a few countries, and conlozing, looting, killing, ransacking, torturing people in a nation for 200 years. Maybe learn before your big mouth speaks.
Bikramjit Biswas Don't you know? Dundee was colonised by Bengal, and their resources plundered for Bengal's own good. It was a really tragic period for the Dundians.
@@menon.anirudh No it works as a good counter to shaaror argument that the British somehow destroyed Indian industry. In the context of global change production shifts to different areas. This will enrich some and impoverish others. Simply because you are better or worse off is not a good case for reparations.
@Uditya Tyagi This isnt how it happed. The UK did have tariffs on cotton under the Calico Acts in the 1700s. These were removed before the "deindustrialisation" of India. During this time Indian textile manufacturing was still a global leader. Although there were tariffs in India you need to realise this was a global market and as such Indian goods were being sold all across Asia, Europe and America. When the industrial revolution happed British goods were now cheaper and they could now outcompete the Indians. This had nothing to do with tariffs. It was only after this fact that we see a decrease in Indian manufacturing. It was inevitable On the point of taxes, the Indian tax burden was very low, about 2% at this time. And there were literally no tariff the Uk was a mercantile economy based on free trade. Lastly, I know you didn't mention it but Britain didn't cut of anyone thumbs. Sharrors point was very dumb and historically inaccurate. The time that myth was started was 100 years before the deindustrialisation of India under the east India trading company. Where the Women were rumoured to cut of there own thumbs so they would have to work for them. As the Company wanted to monopolise the cotton and textile industry. Why would they deindustrialised there own industry?
@Uditya Tyagi LOl imagines actually spending time to research a topic and informing your self on the facts. You should be more worried about the indian propaganda you're being feed. Considering everything I just said is backed up by historians and facts.
Individual cases he say. BUT, TOO MANY INDIVIDUAL CASES, IN TOO MANY COUNTRIES, FOR TOO LONG, WITH TOO MUCH DAMAGE. TOO MUCH APOLOGIES ARE DUE. BUT, ARE WE EXPECTING THE MORAL FROM THE IMMORAL.?????
BORING....*This is what happens when u prepared so much for a debate but a person who came just before you completely destroyed the argument you were about to use* P.S. Shashi tharoor delivered his speech before you
This video started just a debate. People should have understand that, he doesn't basically hate India. Infact British rule in India help to expose Indian into outside the world. Definitely the motive of British ruler is to get more and more from their colonies
@@veipuniilana1842 darling we were getting gold and silver in exchange of Indian products from foreign countries long before these inbred britishers came to our country.
India's contribution to world GDP before brits arrived : 25 % ( also the India was the richest country of the world for 1600 years by then, the longest for ANY country ever, the record still stands ). After brits left : 2% Famines in India in the 2000 years before brits arrived : 17 Famines that occurred under british rule of 200 years : around 25 Here's a list of some of them : The British era is significant because during this period a very large number of famines struck India.[2][3] There is a vast literature on the famines in colonial British India.[4] The mortality in these famines was excessively high and in many cases it has been increased by British policies.[5] The mortality in the Great Bengal famine of 1770 was between one and 10 million;[6] the Chalisa famine of 1783-1784, 11 million; Doji bara famine of 1791-1792, 11 million; and Agra famine of 1837-1838, 800,000.[7] In the second half of the 19th-century large-scale excess mortality was caused by: Upper Doab famine of 1860-1861, 2 million; Great Famine of 1876-1878, 5.5 million; Indian famine of 1896-1897, 5 million; and Indian famine of 1899-1900, 1 million.[8] The first major famine of the 20th century was the Bengal famine of 1943, which affected the Bengal region during wartime; it was one of the major South Asian famines in which anywhere between 1.5 million and 3 million people died.[9] The total number of people who died because of this Famines alone and in India alone goes over tens of millions of people. If you add to this the total number of people who died by any cause that was a result of brits or their policies in all of their colonies then the number easily crosses hundreds of millions. Hence, the lady is correct on this point. Infact, the last great famine under british ruled India was the great Bengal famine of 1943, of which multiple photos and videos you can find in the internet including on RUclips. When multiple concerned british officials wrote to churchil how his actions have created the most devastating famine of the world in the 20th centuary, he replied, " why hasn't Gandhi died yet ". India's contributions to the world : The Hindu numerical system, also known as the decimal base system which forms the basis of mathematics and is the system we use today, and which may as well be the greatest invention ever in the history of humanity, Madhava, an Indian mathematician who founded the Kerala school of Mathematics almost discovered calculus over 200 years before newton or leibnitz were even born, and a LOTS AND LOTS of other fundamental contributions to maths, physics, logic, philosophy, biology, etc. India is one of the 3 earliest, oldest civilization, namely, the Harrappan civilization (India), the Masopotamian civilization ( modern day iraq) , the Egyptian civilization. Which one of these is the oldest is highly debatable and a topic of ongoing research, but India was the most extensive and widespread civilization of these all. Ancient Indians invented/ discovered many things some of which are, soap, shampoo, buttons, diamonds, steel, city planning, drainage systems, underground drainiage systems, the world's first port, the game of chess, etc. The first language in the world is also an Indian language ( one of these, Sanskrit or Tamil, both Indian languages). India has also made tremendous contributions in the modern times in STEM and almost every field.
U should read history instead of commenting like this... Kohinoor wasn't looted it s gifted. The kohinoor diamond was obtained legally under the terms of the Last Treaty of Lahore and you should read it clearly.
I'm sorry for calling it as gift.. it's my mistake from my side but there was a treaty signed between Duleep Singh(indian king from sikh empire)and east india company following the conquest of Punjab. You can read the last treaty of Lahore which was signed in 1849 and 3rd point of that treaty clearly mentions how kohinoor exchanged as compensation for conquest of Punjab from then owner Duleep Singh who was the youngest son of Ranjith singh. III. The gem called the Koh-i-Noor, which was taken from Shah Sooja-ool-moolk by Maharajah Runjeet Singh, shall be surrendered by the Maharajah of Lahore to the Queen of England. How can we call it as snatching? They got it under the clearance of treaty signed between then and current onwer. Whatever the claims that we raise against kohinoor they show us the treaty and say it was exchanged as compensation legally under the treaty and we can't do anything. Because before Brits there are so many kings who held ownership with kohinoor and those kings are from different empire from outside India. Remember how pakistan, Afghans asserted it's ownership of diamond in 1976 and 2000.
If everyone says that England should pay reparations. Then France and Italy should pay reparations to us because of William the concorer and the Roman Empire.
Dear Prof MacKenzie, Mr Shashi Tharoor was not speaking about monetary reparations because the colonialist will never be able to do it even if they sell themselves ......,! So at least an acknowledgment on this issue for the next 200 years of £1/year as suggested will go a long way to the subsequent generations in UK teaching them about the wrong attitudes and karma of their ancestors . With regards to ridiculous Dundee argument, if the colonialisation would not have happened in the first place there was no question of anything getting wiped out. So keep that argument to yourself please.
To be very honest, What I perceive from this whole speech is he's tryna elude and finding ways to deflect it towards other colonization. You can't get away from the fact that Britain owes at least an apology to India.
@@JohnMacbeth no official one. From the government, people now living didn't do the wrong, they just got the benefits, which obviously no one would say no to. Its your so called queen and government who should make an official apology. Atleast have some shame and return the diamond. Could be a starting point.
Is this even a counter to Tharoor? What was that about Bengal and Dundee? You lose out on competition and then expect reparations?! That's an argument? In a speech laced with mere syntactic definitions of the word 'reparations', while being very happy to speak on 'moral reparations', the speaker makes no point.
This wasn't meant to be a counter to Tharoor. He is just one of the 3 out of the 8 speakers who was against the motion. It is a debate, and he spoke well for his part.
So guys, It was the perfect example of "when a man was saved because of time limit of the debate" 😂😂 Otherwise he didn't have much to counter the arguments.
I believe he is trying to fix a broken mirror and convince the audience that it's like a new one . Basically this is what I feel he wanted to say" I know we have done a lot of wrongs in the past but we are not gonna return what our grandparents earned unethically and immorally. They were clever so they fooled you and we are not gonna pay their debt"
So if I punched someone in the face because I feel like it, he shouldn't sue and ask me for reparations since it happened in the past and we should move on right?
Well i don't know why haters are hating this speech.... yes his execution was terrible , like the Dundee and the pearl scenarios are completely based on healthy business competition not colonialism. But he did have many very fine nuanced and fair points. This speech felt less like "Britain does not owe reparations" and more like "Britain should not hand out monetary reparations and instead atone for their crimes". His points that reparations should not be handed out as charity but actual atonement should be done for the atrocities is basically what Dr tharoor said. His point that reparations seem like a finality and that an apology is not enough is a great point. Almost all of Indians in favour of reparations do not want monetary reparations but want Britain to assist india in development and return back the culture that they looted and apologise and genuinely atone for the cultural destruction that the british caused. From the mentality that permeates through the british society it is evident that if the british even agreed to reparations they would just hand out a measly sum of money and act as if that money has absolved them of all the crimes. Prof John was definitely against this ideology and that was a very fair point. He took this entire debate very scientifically without involving emotions and i commend him for that. At least to me he seemed less of an opposition and more of a proposition .
Reading down the comments feels like Young Britishers are not really aware of their "brave conquerors"... Would request their government, India is one of the fastest developing Country in the world' so no need to give our wealth back but atleadt being emphatic toward the victims just publish some real history syllabus in your schools so that the upcoming generation may encounter the truth... Anyway don't hesitate to ask for help in the future which you definitely will be required .... India do real help without exploiting anyway that is in our culture ...you know india thing🙄
Comparing Dundee & Bengal to India & Britain does not make any sense. While the former was business advancement and competitiveness, what Britain did to India was deliberately "loot" the country.
Bengal vs. Dundee is a terrible example, as that is just basic economic competition. It is not the same thing as colonialism, slavery, and deliberate genocide (that Churchill conducted in Bengal in 1943).
If i was at his place... I would never tried to stand or may be freezed ... After all he had nothing to speak after Shashi Tharoor... he tried his best... above 1 thumps Up from my side.
He is saying We should not take about moral debt of past time He must know this is a real debate It's not like your history's exam and you will just get all the data in your head and pen it down on paper It's a public discussion People have a lot of attachments with morals And actually a society is based on morals You can't just forget the past moral debts
Hell, I am on the other side of the debate, and even I could do a better job for the 'Not Owe' side than MacKenzie did. He doesn't know how to present a convincing argument at all.
People act like we live in a fairy land 😂😂😂 all this victim talk from so called warriors they can't accept the fact that There people got conquered and it's not their turn to be top dogs spain France uk all these clowns are 2nd class trash usa is still top dog russia china are ok but not a super power 😂
I appreciate these uploads. It would be good if, as well as splitting the debates into segments by speaker, you would upload the full debate as one video too.
Bengal didn't come to Dundee to trade and then establish a private corporation and then hand it over to a govt saying oh I can't handle it you handle it for us....
In my opinion overall there was not nearly enough defence of the empire and the positives it provided from development to pax Britannia to the abolition of sati and the abolition of and wars against slavery (such as the Ashanti wars against black slavers) just for examples. Secondly an integral part of empire is the role of collaborators. Many people profited from empire from many parts of the world just as many Britons suffered in mills and the like, the Indian Rajas certainly weren't impoverished under Britain from the palaces I have seen. And yet where are the calls for reparations from the West African countries from where the slaves of the West Indies were bought? Where are the call for reparations from the Arab states who profited from perhaps crueler and larger models of slavery? Where are the calls for reparation from the Zulus after Shaka Zulu arguably committed genocide against his fellow southern Africans? Was Britain worse? Clearly there is an agenda at work where some targets are more acceptable than others, some cultures more easily vilified in the modern age. I'd argue that Britain, in some ways like ancient Rome did a lot of many great and terrible things. Did Gaul or Britain have deep rich cultures before Rome? Yes. Did they endure many terrible hardships? Yes. Is the world a better place for Rome's influence? I'd argue so.
@@alenp5282 bruh😂 wth are you sure people like Shashi Tharoor claiming the amount to be 45 trillion dollars would lie in front of many respected and intelligent existence and if he would had lied they would have had corrected him. And stop trying to justify what Britishers did was right . We indians don't hate Britishers of now .we know that they don't even know anything about it and we were taught about the things Britishers did from class 3rd so yeah. At least accept bruh💀
@@alenp5282 bruh let's just say it was not that much value . Let's just say for example it was as low as 5 trillion. Will you still return dumbnut.or even say sorry💀 no you won't .
The 'drain' increased by almost $20 trillion in just 4 years as calculated by the Marxist economist Utsa Patnaik. She estimated $45 trillion up to 2016 and then $64.82 trillion up to 2020 both at a 5% compound interest rate. The first estimate was for the years 1765-1938 the higher figure was only up to 1900 (1765-1900).
@@mewtew8006 No, because those states no longer exist anymore. The Ottoman Empire ceased to exist when the Republic of Turkey was founded. Same goes for the Mongol Empire. The United Kingdom, on the other hand, continues to exist today, just as it did in the 18th or 19th century and is therefore accountable to actions it took in the past.
Abhishek Mhatre The British doesn’t exist anymore neither. The difference between Ottoman Empire and turkey is the same between British empire and England today
@@mewtew8006 Japan isn't an empire anymore but still demilitarized till this and and only uses it's Self defense forces. Germany is a country that pays reparations to the European countries. We do understand mate that England's economy is still bullshit even after looting trillions of dollars from a lot of countries. England won't be a country anyone if reperations are paid by it to other countries. And nothing is gonna change what dipshit they did around the course of history.
Dr. Tharoor got many rounds of applause but this white man had to clap for himself in end minutes. I think that's enough to tell who sounded more logical, factual and unbiased.
Desmond Tutu : "When white man came to Africa, he had the Bible, we had the diamonds. Now he has the diamonds, we Africans have the Bible."
True, even robbers will be caught on cams, theives like brits wont be found ever!
You nailled it 🤣
ha-ha, thank you for teaching me that!
Well it was the stupidity of your ancestors to fall for their deception.You must respect and learn from their incredible ability to manipulate simpletons in order to profit of off them.There are two kinds of people in this world the ones who get manipulated and the ones who do manipulate,the latter would indubitably be the one who steals the cake.
Its actually land
Being concerned about past time
Doesn't mean that we must hate you now but
But we can't even forget that another wise that will happen to us again
Does anyone here know how to give a cyber-slap?
A cyberslap 😂😂 LOL
lmao 😂
Epic !
@@ഭിത്തിയിലിടിച്ച്വികലാംഗനായതു yo malayalee
Wtf dude 🤣🤣
When you can't convince them, confuse them😂.
If both were not possible, just blabber something they don't like to listen.
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Poor Prof. He's struggling to score a point after Dr Tharoor's speech.
He doesn't even know how to speak confidently. He shivered thousand times.
He is a shivering poor thief from a country of bigger thieves
@Blaine Brown its the truth mate, not cringe
@Blaine Brown do you need burnol you thief😂
@Amarjeet yadav they are burning 🤣🤣🤣
India improved because of British colonization! India was never a country before the British came. It was a dirt poor land with illiterate farmers. The British came and for two hundred years significantly IMPROVED the lives of Indians. The British developed roads, infrastructure, hospitals, a system of education with schools and colleges. Introduced the English language. Introduced sports like cricket, field hockey and track and field. Later the British helped developed a government and finally helped India become an independent country in 1947. I should know I am from India, I was born there, both my parents were born there and all four of my grandparents and all eight of my great-grandparents were born there.
Baby boy just compare the gdp before and after britishers left india. Read about it, you know how to do that don't you?? I have heard brits are dumb but i think you can read about it and get to know real history
Bengali did not commit any violence against Dundee like in the case of England and India
yes bengali did not break there thumbs , machinery etc or did not asked them to pay tariffs.
Exactly
Shashi Tharoor's Oxford Union speech on 28 May 2015 was in favour of the motion, "This house believes Britain owes reparations to her former colonies". Shashi Tharoor was the seventh speaker on his team and was allotted eight minutes to speak. In the end, Tharoor's side won the debate with 185 votes to 56. From wekipedia
BRITISH CRIMES IN INDIA.
( my response to dr Shashi Tharoor).
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1-By conquering all of India, Britain ended an age-old rivalry, conflicts & bloodshed between Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs & Marathas, and united them into one nation and made them all feel proud to be Indian.
2-saved millions of lives of widows by abolishing the centuries-old practice of Sati.
3- saved millions of lives by abolishing 1000s of years old practice of female infanticide in which the baby girls would be buried alive by parents to avoid paying dowry.
4- stopped Indians from butchering one another in the name of religion and caste.
5- promoted education and pulled Indians out of the dark ages and introduced them to the age of science and discovery.
6- built roads, bridges, schools and railway tracks and govt buildings like the parliament house and the president house.
7- introduced Indians to sewers, water closets and running water. Indians had been going to the jungle for the call of nature for 1000s of years.
8- gave the gift of the English language that is helping the subcontinent to learn science.
9- gave Indians a single currency.
10-protected the lives of minorities.
11- gave security and equal opportunity to all Indians.
12-stopped discrimination and racism based on religion or caste.
13- civilised Indians and taught them to respect and abide by the rule of law.
14- built army and police for the entire country.
15- introduced democracy in India and taught Indians the importance of secular and democratic values.
16- gave all Indians eq
Ofc he had to win coz the dude in this video is fighting the already lost war.
Shows how woke Oxford is. If they feel obligated, then let them pay.
History is full of injustice, it can't all be sorted out and nor should it be
@@vatsal7640 where i found this ?
@@vvwalker7261 oh god, u just read my mind…. That’s how woke the whole world is…. This dude speaks of hard truth… if Britain must owe something to India then it owes to almost all the countries in the world and every country would be asking for reparations and then what Britain go bankrupt??
Prof. John M. MacKenzie, you failed to even convince your colleagues, let go of others..
karan chaudhary I know who he is
@@lewisgaming1399 ninte maamante mon aahno
haha true 😂
NOT because they examined the arguments, but because his colleagues are raving leftists who can't see past their own ideological blinkers.
At the end the speaker said that Scotland would get reperations by imposing taxes on England, when he started the argument that Scotland benefited from Colonial GB. He expects reparations when they have benified where's he argues that who have suffered shouldn't even look at the history on moral grounds.
Sun never set on British Empire because god couldn't trust British in dark lol 😂
Shashi Tharoor.
What about the mongol empire? and the Ottoman Empire? Are they also gonna pay reparations?
@@mewtew8006 Good for you, they are no more (Thanks to YOUR FOREFATHERS).
Aakash Gupta what do you mean
@@mewtew8006 well they never took 45 trillion USD from India
How does money 'repair' past pain. I ssuggest that the money in question is to upscale power of those offended.
Bengal owing to Dundee is one of the most lame explanation I have ever heard. No wonder everybody was silent.
Rahul Singh yes, indeed. His point is null. Unlike the British, Bengal did not impose undue taxes and tarrifs on Dundee, did not go to Dundee to beat the people there. If what he says is true, it looks Dundee went out of business by natural market forces and not by the forcing of Bengal.
***** By his logic China should owe reparations to the US for wiping out their manufacturing ... on second thought it should owe reparations to the whole world ... It is known as a Masked Man line of argumentation ... I think Dr Shashi Tharoor did a great job to list down facts that clearly highlight why this substitution of UK with Bengal is not valid. But unfortunately, he did not get a chance to address this directly.
***** Not just that; but let us assume for a moment that India DOES owe reparations to Dundee, then those reparations to Dundee will be far outweighed and nullified by the moral debt to be paid by Britain to India. He's just created a straw man.
+Dylan James we would have been in a more better position both in terms of development and economic progress than of now. Our India does progress with time in each and and every aspect including civilised culture. "Looting" the other country for the sake of your economic benefit and then giving these stupid excuses does shows state of your mind which is still disturbed!
@Rahul Singh aah that is nothing. One of the Britishers on the same topic in a debate said that India has to be grateful to the Britishers/East India company since they created the concept of "companies" (despite loot and murder for 400 yrs) and Indians are going to companies everyday 9 to 5. LOL. When they bullshit, they are shameless !!
iam Indian living in India, I agree with you that no apology or reparations needs to be paid by Britain.......Coaches for railways built by British is still used in India, education at least 50 % of population speak english and every third house goes to America becuase of this...............and i can cite many more examples where benefits far outweigh the suffering(sufferig by someone like Gandhi has no relevance to Gandhis of today). India is a paradoxical country with no proper rule even today...................they are meant to be ruled by others. Karma is beautiful word that exists in India, so you can blame it on karma for all the suffering(if there was any).
British railway was build to transfer Indian raw materials to port it was no where build for Indian, it was after independence the government of India diverted the track for public interest, so in 70 year of independence what more you expect India had 90% of population living below poverty line now it is 30% literacy rate has improved,
British broke the backbone of Indian economy but still GOI is doing it's best
Who told you India has no proper governance and if it is than can you please explain how?
this guy was literally shivering at times.
What about the mongol empire? and the Ottoman Empire? Are they also gonna pay reparations?
@@atharvapaturkar5102 You got something else to say buddy? Or you're just gonna spam every comment thread with this stupid debate about mongols?
Paul Wember
What did Britain do that other countries haven’t done may I ask?
Because he, more than anyone in that room, was aware of the extreme weakness of his arguments
@@mewtew8006 Killing innocent people, coming in the county with the promise of trade and then backstabbing the welcoming country, laying their dirty and vulgar eyes on our women, taking our lands and grains without thinking of the cultivator and his family, forcefully recruiting Indians to fight the British wars, treating us like slaves, destroying our economy to become rich and powerful, enjoymf the deaths, torturing, destroying our industries, taking our valuable resources, takin our gems and wealth and most importantly not paying the billions and billions of debt Britain owes us till date. This is the uniqueness of Britain that cannot be surpassed by any other country.
It's sad to see so many people had not listen to the actual speech
Would returning the loot be a good point? Starting with the Kohinoor??
Keshav Dixit Three white British fatsos are against reparations. What else do you expect?
+Calvin Jamison One learned Indian - Dr. Shashi Tharoor is in the favour, so Yeah Dear, we want reparations. Moreover, a murderer will never say that he wants himself hanged, similarly Britishers will never hold themselves responsible, which is the reason why three British fatsos won't favour reparations.
Liam Miller you are absolutely right!!!!
Liam Miller your country is getting more and more occupied by Indians, not because of the low IQs, but the opposite. The weak and ignorant words you said about us being uncivilized and having low IQ shows the person you are. I'm sure you are the type of person who is not just a racist but also against understanding stuff in a mature manner. Coming to Kohinoor, it was taken by Britishers and not offered by the country. You should not just be respectful for the country that your people exploited and be feeling guilty for, but also should be sensitive.
Liam Miller We weren't savage beasts or people with low IQ, we knew well enough what we needed to and we were a country. Seriously though, who wrote your facts and history? The same narsassistic lot like you? There was no need of killing and torturing our people for the mere benefit of your people. You gave us nothing more than what we couldn't have got. You pointing out on the 84 IQ makes me believe that's what you have. All you do is point that fake information around. I mean, sure your ancestors were douche and had no sense of humility, you just prove you are the same. I'm not gonna keep on saying you have a low IQ or how you are so blind to the fact we are smarter. Your queen had even excepted one of the people from our place as a teacher and lover some say. GROW UP.
Didn't expected this from a Scottish person.
What do you know about Scotland that makes you say that?
@@rnbishop9185 Cause Scotland hates England and only the English people boast about their empire. And if you don't know anything, then shut up. Cause I have Scottish friends and they themselves say that they don't like England and it's empire.
@@arpanmalakar11 so you have a few Scottish friends so all Scots hate England. Do me a favour I don't pretend to understand your countries inner complexities and cultural norms so take your 3 Scottish friends and fuck off from us. It wasn't an English empire it's the British empire. Also Scottish soldiers went to India and fucked you over also.
@@arpanmalakar11 and you live in UK I assume enjoying our freedoms. If you don't like us you can always fuck off? That's a pretty viable option.
@@rnbishop9185 I don't live in Uk
So this dude's logic is, We plundered your country , took all your wealth, I don't know how I can pay you back, so lets just forget about it.
There are MANY ways you can make reparations Johnny.
1. Provision of scolarships to Indians at your pricey universities on a greater scale.
2. Trade concessions.
3. Increased Import Of Indian goods.
4. Correct your history textbooks and say it like it is, let the youth know the foundation upon which your country developed.
5. Invest in the Indian economy.
6. Return the Kohinoor and other precious artefacts that you took (just for symbolic purposes)
To name a few
Point 4 is enough
@@Itsneptunebaby couldn't agree more but they should return the artifacts that are stored in museum as their colonial loots, this things are belong to indian civilization and this things must be returned because this things are our heritage.
@@neelpatel4406 im not indian but i 100% agree there is no point in arguing we all know who’s right and who’s wrong here
If they only return the artifacts to the culture they belong too instead of keeping it in a posh British museum and attract tourist and get money if of it…they people of india and rest of world should be able to see their history…
The 4th Point is important. My Cousins live in The UK and they say that not once in the school have they said about the horrors put upon Indians by the British. My Cousin tried to stand up in History class when colonialism was being taught and he was silenced by the Teacher saying he was spitting nonsense. He pointed out the Jallianwala Bagh Massacre primarily and the teacher laughed how absurd he was.
The 1st point is important step as well which should be carried out as quickly as possible as the NHS has loads of Indians in it helping the Economy and the Nation while paying their College Loans for longer time.
As long as the Britishers now, Know how their so called Heritage and The Great Nation has been built upon, it is good enough for me.
@@ragnarlothbrok7973 Thank You Sir.
India's economy under Mughal and British rule remained the Second largest economy in the world for hundreds of years until it was eclipsed by the USA and then Britain in the early 20th century. India's economy tanked after they gained independence from Britain so India can only blame itself for its miserable economic performance.
Did China and Japan impose restrictions on production and export of pearls in Sri Lanka and Gulf? did they burn the homes and cut hands of such traders in these country like Brits??
he's comparing fair competition to colonial exploitation!!!
no brits here 😂 come on now where are those people who thinks Britain is not a criminal goon .
China in Tibet, Japan in China in the 1930-40's... There is quite some history of colonial exploitation on their hands too.
@@cts9718 im talking behalf of india . china is doing wrong and it should do what it takes . but for now tibet is not capable to claim its rights . so lets dont go off the topic
@@aniketnagar4757 The topic was Chinese and Japanese "competition" with Sri Lanka.
@@cts9718 bro entire debate is named Does Britain own reparations
Learning it 📖
is he a comedian?
What about the mongol empire? and the Ottoman Empire? Are they also gonna pay repetitions?
@@mewtew8006 they just invaded on them not like britishers who came to business but stab on our back.
@@mewtew8006 Theres a difference between invading and going into a few battles with a few countries, and conlozing, looting, killing, ransacking, torturing people in a nation for 200 years. Maybe learn before your big mouth speaks.
No, but England is definitely a joke
@@mewtew8006 I guess you were bored even before lockdown. What's the need of trying to prove your point on every single comment 😂
Bengal owing reparations to Dundee ? What a farce
Bikramjit Biswas Don't you know? Dundee was colonised by Bengal, and their resources plundered for Bengal's own good. It was a really tragic period for the Dundians.
@@menon.anirudh XD
@@menon.anirudh No it works as a good counter to shaaror argument that the British somehow destroyed Indian industry. In the context of global change production shifts to different areas. This will enrich some and impoverish others. Simply because you are better or worse off is not a good case for reparations.
@Uditya Tyagi This isnt how it happed. The UK did have tariffs on cotton under the Calico Acts in the 1700s. These were removed before the "deindustrialisation" of India. During this time Indian textile manufacturing was still a global leader. Although there were tariffs in India you need to realise this was a global market and as such Indian goods were being sold all across Asia, Europe and America. When the industrial revolution happed British goods were now cheaper and they could now outcompete the Indians. This had nothing to do with tariffs. It was only after this fact that we see a decrease in Indian manufacturing. It was inevitable On the point of taxes, the Indian tax burden was very low, about 2% at this time. And there were literally no tariff the Uk was a mercantile economy based on free trade. Lastly, I know you didn't mention it but Britain didn't cut of anyone thumbs. Sharrors point was very dumb and historically inaccurate. The time that myth was started was 100 years before the deindustrialisation of India under the east India trading company. Where the Women were rumoured to cut of there own thumbs so they would have to work for them. As the Company wanted to monopolise the cotton and textile industry. Why would they deindustrialised there own industry?
@Uditya Tyagi LOl imagines actually spending time to research a topic and informing your self on the facts. You should be more worried about the indian propaganda you're being feed. Considering everything I just said is backed up by historians and facts.
is there a button to dislike this 100 times?
is there a button to dislike this comment 100 times?
What about the mongol empire? and the Ottoman Empire? Are they also gonna pay reparations?
do it 101 times
Because your vote is valid as 100 votes of other people? This is your idea of equality on which the central topic of the discussion is based...?
When Gandhi visited the UK he was asked “What do you think of Western civilisation?”
His response: “I think it would be a good idea,”
I found MacKenzie's argument either irrelevant, against his own stand or plain illogical. I wish they had invited someone better.
Or someone more practical or even ethical
He has to proove a point which is a clear cut lie...so what could you expect... This is the highest level of confidence to speak a white lie...
Civilised debate
There is a fine expression in Texas which perfectly describes this speech - all hats and no cattle.
Jamaican High commissioner looks fed up... To which i agree.. he went to a different aspect
I'm From British Guyana 😁
My Bloodline Is From Bihar India 🇮🇳
Individual cases he say.
BUT, TOO MANY INDIVIDUAL CASES, IN TOO MANY COUNTRIES, FOR TOO LONG, WITH TOO MUCH DAMAGE.
TOO MUCH APOLOGIES ARE DUE.
BUT, ARE WE EXPECTING THE MORAL FROM THE IMMORAL.?????
BORING....*This is what happens when u prepared so much for a debate but a person who came just before you completely destroyed the argument you were about to use*
P.S. Shashi tharoor delivered his speech before you
How U can Also try 2 act despite being a thief.... SHAMELESS BRITAIN 😡😡😡🤬🤬🤬🤬😠😠😠
This Prof : I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Italian reparations to Libya.
Shahi Tharoor: 7:10 "I have mentioned it"😏
Oh sir you most definitely do
there's a reason why this video has more dislikes...
Cuz he is gay john and Nigel
This video started just a debate. People should have understand that, he doesn't basically hate India. Infact British rule in India help to expose Indian into outside the world.
Definitely the motive of British ruler is to get more and more from their colonies
@@veipuniilana1842 darling we were getting gold and silver in exchange of Indian products from foreign countries long before these inbred britishers came to our country.
somesh varadkar of course. You Indians want money from Britain and this man says it would be unfair
cuz there are so many indians
India's contribution to world GDP before brits arrived : 25 % ( also the India was the richest country of the world for 1600 years by then, the longest for ANY country ever, the record still stands ).
After brits left : 2%
Famines in India in the 2000 years before brits arrived : 17
Famines that occurred under british rule of 200 years : around 25
Here's a list of some of them : The British era is significant because during this period a very large number of famines struck India.[2][3] There is a vast literature on the famines in colonial British India.[4] The mortality in these famines was excessively high and in many cases it has been increased by British policies.[5] The mortality in the Great Bengal famine of 1770 was between one and 10 million;[6] the Chalisa famine of 1783-1784, 11 million; Doji bara famine of 1791-1792, 11 million; and Agra famine of 1837-1838, 800,000.[7] In the second half of the 19th-century large-scale excess mortality was caused by: Upper Doab famine of 1860-1861, 2 million; Great Famine of 1876-1878, 5.5 million; Indian famine of 1896-1897, 5 million; and Indian famine of 1899-1900, 1 million.[8] The first major famine of the 20th century was the Bengal famine of 1943, which affected the Bengal region during wartime; it was one of the major South Asian famines in which anywhere between 1.5 million and 3 million people died.[9]
The total number of people who died because of this Famines alone and in India alone goes over tens of millions of people. If you add to this the total number of people who died by any cause that was a result of brits or their policies in all of their colonies then the number easily crosses hundreds of millions. Hence, the lady is correct on this point. Infact, the last great famine under british ruled India was the great Bengal famine of 1943, of which multiple photos and videos you can find in the internet including on RUclips. When multiple concerned british officials wrote to churchil how his actions have created the most devastating famine of the world in the 20th centuary, he replied, " why hasn't Gandhi died yet ".
India's contributions to the world : The Hindu numerical system, also known as the decimal base system which forms the basis of mathematics and is the system we use today, and which may as well be the greatest invention ever in the history of humanity, Madhava, an Indian mathematician who founded the Kerala school of Mathematics almost discovered calculus over 200 years before newton or leibnitz were even born, and a LOTS AND LOTS of other fundamental contributions to maths, physics, logic, philosophy, biology, etc. India is one of the 3 earliest, oldest civilization, namely, the Harrappan civilization (India), the Masopotamian civilization ( modern day iraq) , the Egyptian civilization. Which one of these is the oldest is highly debatable and a topic of ongoing research, but India was the most extensive and widespread civilization of these all. Ancient Indians invented/ discovered many things some of which are, soap, shampoo, buttons, diamonds, steel, city planning, drainage systems, underground drainiage systems, the world's first port, the game of chess, etc. The first language in the world is also an Indian language ( one of these, Sanskrit or Tamil, both Indian languages). India has also made tremendous contributions in the modern times in STEM and almost every field.
Does Britain owe reparations??
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1st give us our Kohinoor diamond back u looters. How proudly does the Queen wear a stolen diamond on her crown 😠😂
Symbol of theft on the crown. Let them have it.
come and get it you pussies
U should read history instead of commenting like this... Kohinoor wasn't looted it s gifted. The kohinoor diamond was obtained legally under the terms of the Last Treaty of Lahore and you should read it clearly.
I'm sorry for calling it as gift.. it's my mistake from my side but there was a treaty signed between Duleep Singh(indian king from sikh empire)and east india company following the conquest of Punjab. You can read the last treaty of Lahore which was signed in 1849 and 3rd point of that treaty clearly mentions how kohinoor exchanged as compensation for conquest of Punjab from then owner Duleep Singh who was the youngest son of Ranjith singh.
III. The gem called the Koh-i-Noor, which was taken from Shah Sooja-ool-moolk by Maharajah Runjeet Singh, shall be surrendered by the Maharajah of Lahore to the Queen of England.
How can we call it as snatching?
They got it under the clearance of treaty signed between then and current onwer. Whatever the claims that we raise against kohinoor they show us the treaty and say it was exchanged as compensation legally under the treaty and we can't do anything. Because before Brits there are so many kings who held ownership with kohinoor and those kings are from different empire from outside India. Remember how pakistan, Afghans asserted it's ownership of diamond in 1976 and 2000.
@@oltrot3173 You'll regret it if we come , you rotten pussy of a burglar!
If everyone says that England should pay reparations. Then France and Italy should pay reparations to us because of William the concorer and the Roman Empire.
He never came back to the question of returning debts :)
Dear Prof MacKenzie, Mr Shashi Tharoor was not speaking about monetary reparations because the colonialist will never be able to do it even if they sell themselves ......,! So at least an acknowledgment on this issue for the next 200 years of £1/year as suggested will go a long way to the subsequent generations in UK teaching them about the wrong attitudes and karma of their ancestors .
With regards to ridiculous Dundee argument, if the colonialisation would not have happened in the first place there was no question of anything getting wiped out. So keep that argument to yourself please.
To be very honest, What I perceive from this whole speech is he's tryna elude and finding ways to deflect it towards other colonization. You can't get away from the fact that Britain owes at least an apology to India.
Pretty sure India has had more than enough apologies.
@@JohnMacbeth no official one. From the government, people now living didn't do the wrong, they just got the benefits, which obviously no one would say no to. Its your so called queen and government who should make an official apology. Atleast have some shame and return the diamond. Could be a starting point.
Maybe India needs to apologise to Indians. It is an incredibly stratified and exploitive society
@@nathyatta What the hell??!!
@@JohnMacbeth What kind of ? Satan Pedophile British should be on a trial like Nazis.
Never heard a debate worse than this. The comparison of Bengal with Dundee was stupid
Just remember even if Every single brit person is sold out....
They can Never repay us....
He does not have any proofs and data. Irrelevant examples are quoted.
Big Mac,
bull shit spoken in a rather classy british accent :)
Sorry Sir.
His accent is Scottish....?
Yeah..he knew he was gonna lose...after that remarkable speech from Shashi Tharoor
Is this even a counter to Tharoor?
What was that about Bengal and Dundee? You lose out on competition and then expect reparations?! That's an argument?
In a speech laced with mere syntactic definitions of the word 'reparations', while being very happy to speak on 'moral reparations', the speaker makes no point.
idiot
Speaker is a dumbass 😂😂
This wasn't meant to be a counter to Tharoor. He is just one of the 3 out of the 8 speakers who was against the motion. It is a debate, and he spoke well for his part.
Tobacco and medical corporations should not pay compensation when they harm people?
I see Churchill in him
IT IS ALL IN THE PAST IT CANT BE CHANGED LET US ALL MOVE FORWARD STOP THE HATE TRY IMPROVING THE NOW
Never to cast moral judgment on the past....how convenient for you
Nice english
Dislikes speaks for themselves.
So guys, It was the perfect example of "when a man was saved because of time limit of the debate" 😂😂
Otherwise he didn't have much to counter the arguments.
Ya😄😄 truly pointed out..
Now u got the reason right why this video does not have more views?
I believe he is trying to fix a broken mirror and convince the audience that it's like a new one .
Basically this is what I feel he wanted to say" I know we have done a lot of wrongs in the past but we are not gonna return what our grandparents earned unethically and immorally. They were clever so they fooled you and we are not gonna pay their debt"
Subtlety is the primary tool only of a slave. When you have the option to choose otherwise, but still choose subtlety, you are disgusting.
I'm sorry Mr. MacKenzie has to speak after me...... 😁
LMAO 😂😂😂
You speak English well
Like Vs dislike ratio says it all...
They dont have the capacity to return what they looted. Obviously they'll say dont owe it.
He is a doppelganger of Churchill
So if I punched someone in the face because I feel like it, he shouldn't sue and ask me for reparations since it happened in the past and we should move on right?
He has completely missed the point. The topic is "Does Britain owe reparations'" not "Is Britain capable of reparations."
Well i don't know why haters are hating this speech.... yes his execution was terrible , like the Dundee and the pearl scenarios are completely based on healthy business competition not colonialism. But he did have many very fine nuanced and fair points. This speech felt less like "Britain does not owe reparations" and more like "Britain should not hand out monetary reparations and instead atone for their crimes". His points that reparations should not be handed out as charity but actual atonement should be done for the atrocities is basically what Dr tharoor said. His point that reparations seem like a finality and that an apology is not enough is a great point. Almost all of Indians in favour of reparations do not want monetary reparations but want Britain to assist india in development and return back the culture that they looted and apologise and genuinely atone for the cultural destruction that the british caused. From the mentality that permeates through the british society it is evident that if the british even agreed to reparations they would just hand out a measly sum of money and act as if that money has absolved them of all the crimes. Prof John was definitely against this ideology and that was a very fair point. He took this entire debate very scientifically without involving emotions and i commend him for that. At least to me he seemed less of an opposition and more of a proposition .
Yes they do they can keep saying it Ll they want yes they do
This was a great debate!! Good points on both sides!! My favourite is the Indian gentleman on the other side!!
Reading down the comments feels like Young Britishers are not really aware of their "brave conquerors"... Would request their government, India is one of the fastest developing Country in the world' so no need to give our wealth back but atleadt being emphatic toward the victims just publish some real history syllabus in your schools so that the upcoming generation may encounter the truth...
Anyway don't hesitate to ask for help in the future which you definitely will be required .... India do real help without exploiting anyway that is in our culture ...you know india thing🙄
Dr.Tharoor is like “dundee? That’s the best you come up with mate? “ 🤪
Disgusting even just to give a glance. Clean on the outside and filthy on the inside thier inferiority and wrath of God is upon him greatly.
Dr. Shashi Tharoor should have spoken after MacKenzie's speech. Would have loved to see him counter argue MacKenzie
No wonder they've hidden the dislikes... 🙄
He must be thinking that what wrong he had done that he had to speak after Mr. tharoor..Poor guy ..
Comparing Dundee & Bengal to India & Britain does not make any sense. While the former was business advancement and competitiveness, what Britain did to India was deliberately "loot" the country.
The question is that "is there any shame now left in such persons"?
Lov the video thx prof.mzkenzie
The comments 😁😁😁
Makes my day brighter to start new beginning of heaven ❤️🌹
Bengal vs. Dundee is a terrible example, as that is just basic economic competition. It is not the same thing as colonialism, slavery, and deliberate genocide (that Churchill conducted in Bengal in 1943).
What a mess
Running away by giving excuses of economic power shift 👌🏽🙌🏽👏🏽
Can't get more shameless,Thank you 🙏🏽
May I ask the outcome of the vote following this debate? Thank you.
Weak argument.
Tharoor so completely owned this entire proceeding that people only watch the other speakers because they came here due to Tharoor.
If i was at his place... I would never tried to stand or may be freezed ... After all he had nothing to speak after Shashi Tharoor... he tried his best... above 1 thumps Up from my side.
He is saying
We should not take about moral debt of past time
He must know this is a real debate
It's not like your history's exam and you will just get all the data in your head and pen it down on paper
It's a public discussion
People have a lot of attachments with morals
And actually a society is based on morals
You can't just forget the past moral debts
Hell, I am on the other side of the debate, and even I could do a better job for the 'Not Owe' side than MacKenzie did. He doesn't know how to present a convincing argument at all.
People act like we live in a fairy land 😂😂😂 all this victim talk from so called warriors they can't accept the fact that There people got conquered and it's not their turn to be top dogs spain France uk all these clowns are 2nd class trash usa is still top dog russia china are ok but not a super power 😂
Jute grown in Bengal, manufactured by Dandee and money pocketed by British and now Dandee is going to pay reperations to Bengal.
I appreciate these uploads. It would be good if, as well as splitting the debates into segments by speaker, you would upload the full debate as one video too.
Bod Notbod any link of that
Go in the channel play list there u find the whole 8 part
damn you wanna ignite a fucking war bro 😂😂
I'm gonna spill his guts out😡😡
White Dough
"Constipated white dough"
@@amishagarwal3151 Brown turd
Bengal didn't come to Dundee to trade and then establish a private corporation and then hand it over to a govt saying oh I can't handle it you handle it for us....
In my opinion overall there was not nearly enough defence of the empire and the positives it provided from development to pax Britannia to the abolition of sati and the abolition of and wars against slavery (such as the Ashanti wars against black slavers) just for examples.
Secondly an integral part of empire is the role of collaborators. Many people profited from empire from many parts of the world just as many Britons suffered in mills and the like, the Indian Rajas certainly weren't impoverished under Britain from the palaces I have seen. And yet where are the calls for reparations from the West African countries from where the slaves of the West Indies were bought? Where are the call for reparations from the Arab states who profited from perhaps crueler and larger models of slavery? Where are the calls for reparation from the Zulus after Shaka Zulu arguably committed genocide against his fellow southern Africans? Was Britain worse? Clearly there is an agenda at work where some targets are more acceptable than others, some cultures more easily vilified in the modern age.
I'd argue that Britain, in some ways like ancient Rome did a lot of many great and terrible things. Did Gaul or Britain have deep rich cultures before Rome? Yes. Did they endure many terrible hardships? Yes. Is the world a better place for Rome's influence? I'd argue so.
I can only imagine the respect that the audience had for freedom of speech such that they let this clown keep talking
Even after stealing 45 trillion US dollars, they have an economy of 2.8 trillion😂lol
@@alenp5282 bruh it's a recent study , go search online💀.you will find the whole proof
@@alenp5282 bruh😂 wth are you sure people like Shashi Tharoor claiming the amount to be 45 trillion dollars would lie in front of many respected and intelligent existence and if he would had lied they would have had corrected him. And stop trying to justify what Britishers did was right . We indians don't hate Britishers of now .we know that they don't even know anything about it and we were taught about the things Britishers did from class 3rd so yeah. At least accept bruh💀
@@alenp5282 bruh let's just say it was not that much value . Let's just say for example it was as low as 5 trillion. Will you still return dumbnut.or even say sorry💀 no you won't .
@@alenp5282 your school just shows glory of your ansecstors. They never said dark things about it. And there is lot of things.
The 'drain' increased by almost $20 trillion in just 4 years as calculated by the Marxist economist Utsa Patnaik. She estimated $45 trillion up to 2016 and then $64.82 trillion up to 2020 both at a 5% compound interest rate. The first estimate was for the years 1765-1938 the higher figure was only up to 1900 (1765-1900).
Dear, your analogies are , "I was about to say childish " but the better word will be "STUPID"
Lol ! crap spoken in a classy accent
What about the mongol empire? and the Ottoman Empire? Are they also gonna pay reparations?
@@mewtew8006 No, because those states no longer exist anymore. The Ottoman Empire ceased to exist when the Republic of Turkey was founded. Same goes for the Mongol Empire. The United Kingdom, on the other hand, continues to exist today, just as it did in the 18th or 19th century and is therefore accountable to actions it took in the past.
Abhishek Mhatre
The British doesn’t exist anymore neither. The difference between Ottoman Empire and turkey is the same between British empire and England today
Abhishek Mhatre
Name one country that hasn’t exploited other countries and people
@@mewtew8006 Japan isn't an empire anymore but still demilitarized till this and and only uses it's Self defense forces. Germany is a country that pays reparations to the European countries. We do understand mate that England's economy is still bullshit even after looting trillions of dollars from a lot of countries. England won't be a country anyone if reperations are paid by it to other countries. And nothing is gonna change what dipshit they did around the course of history.
Its amazing how epically fast Germany was slapped with Reparations requirements after their crimes sssooo. 🤷♀️ Its an even board I'd say.
Britains ruled India for 200 yrs and TATA has become the largest employer in Europe having so many CSR initiatives for locals.
Lillibet must give our Kohinoor back.
Dr. Tharoor got many rounds of applause but this white man had to clap for himself in end minutes. I think that's enough to tell who sounded more logical, factual and unbiased.
Even Algorithm understood what to show😂😂😂😂