@dcxSpartan117 no raid 5 and not enough pcie lanes for me. My main gpu would of been stuck at pcie x8 gen5 cause I have a secondary card for stream monitor and other gpu heavy task for when I game. I would of has to buy a threadripper for same features. Which sucks now cause 14900k.
7800x3d is faster when it comes to games mostly but not all games i9 13900k, i7 14700k and i9 14900k does beat it in some titles and destroys 7800x3d in productivity though.
What people keep forgetting is Intel knew early 2023 about their 13th gen CPUS actually had defects (via corrosion) but they didn't tell anyone. They have B2B partners now asking why were their RMAs not honored when they knew before and it only came out now.
@@DaggerDaggerYT The only things that will save them from that is if the gov't steps in. Knowingly hiding defects for more than a year is grounds for a class action lawsuit. Add to the fact that they lied about their BGA chips with reports of laptop partners complaining about 13th and 14th gen failing. If they don't get sued or a total recall isn't made, the FTC needs to be called out for this. Think about it, Samsung had less than 200 reports in the US and recalled 2.5 million phones. Intel just swept everything under the rug and it's like nothing, because its a US company. I know it's a bit extreme comparing it to a mobile phone, but Intel has affected B2B partners all over the world. They've also produced much more 13th and 14th gen chips than just the paltry 2.5 million phones Sammy recalled. On average Intel produces near 2 billion chips per year. Imagine when B2B partners say the failure rate is 50-100%.
@@DaggerDaggerYTIf intel refuses full refunds, then there should absolutely be a class action lawsuit. None of these problems are the fault of the consumer
My 14700K is from April 2024 batch but I'm still worried now because I had similar story as yours. Building a childhood dream pc and then experiencing this sort of stuff totally sucks!
I bought my i9 13900k in July of 2023, so I don't think mine will have the oxidation problem, however there is still the issue of overvolting which I can fix, but shouldn't need to. I upgraded from a 6700k and... I think I'll keep it around a bit longer. Sucks that I have to worry about my CPU dying within a year.
@@DustyCruzThe oxidation problem happened at at least one Intel fab in 2023 (Arizona). Intel never disclosed when it happened or what batches so you don't know for sure if your CPU is effected.
Hey, have you had any problems with your 7950x3d? I'm considering refunding my 13600k (if they let me) and switching to AMD. I heard amd had their own little disaster with cpus or something, but they handled it much more responsibly than Intel is?
@@amixofgeekcontent Those AMD BIOS were patched (would just check that it's on a patched version) but BIOS, it's fixed but those motherboards were overvoltaging cooking AMD CPUs to death over a year ago I believe (AMD did replace those CPUs) . I assume tuning PBO might be one thing to adjust, which I think is the equivalent of Intel Turbo Boost (that causes game crashing). I don't like the way Intel has handled so far (despite being on 12th, which just had manageable things to tune), my 12700KF & 12900KF are solid. I also switched to Nobara 39 (am now on fresh 40 installs) the 12700KF was BSODing doing not much. 9000 series X3Ds will be out in September, which should be interesting, should also price cut possibly the current ones. First thing to determine is if degradation has occurred, if it has vs hasn't are two different treatments on how to tune/try to refund/rma if it has degraded.
@@dianaalyssa8726 thanks for the info! Sorry I'm confused. Your 12700kf started bsod-ing after u installed a new Linux os? Is it still bsod-ing? I was thinking of waiting until black Friday. But I don't wanna wait, in case all the am5 cpus sell out from a bunch of Intel users switching over. I'm gonna call the local stores I bought my cpu and mobo to see if they're taking refunds lol. My 13600k hasn't had major issues afaik, maybe small ones that I thought nothing of until now. But that might be cuz my cpu can't go 100% usage often since it's bottlenecked by my IGPU lol.
Exactly the same happened to me. I did the RMA recently and i got a 7800x3d and a new motherboard. Intel agreed to send a replacement, but i asked the seller for a different cpu and a motherboard and i would pay the difference. Even if i have to sell my motherboard, i don't want to go back to having issues for one year.
I wasn't so lucky unfortunately and my 13900k was out of warranty by the time id realized degradation was the issue. So i threw it in the trash and got a 7800x3d. I'd much rather bite the bullet then deal with this bs again and i definitely wont be buying chips from intel for a while, not just getting the 7800x3d in the first place was my biggest fumble of the last 2 years smh.
@@xxace7ezxx909 That's so sad man. I didn't buy the 7800x3d because it wasn't released yet. I should have waited a few months. And agree with you, it's not worth dealing with this bs. BIOS patch not released yet and we don't even know if it's going to solve these issues.
I have lived through 3 releases of AMD chips catching fire in sockets. Fanboying a corporation is never beautiful. I do enjoy Intel getting kicked in the dick but AMD is no better.
@@mehck-gk9yn you have a subjective opinion that you back with personal experience. anecdotes aren't considered up to par with scientific rigor for a reason, you can find an anecdote to back up any kind of point, regardless how asinine.
I'm really sorry for you man. I'm pretty sure, they will replace your CPU. I would strongly advise you to quickly sell that stuff and go with 7800X3D for mainly gaming or 7950X3D for gaming and productivity, depending on your usage. Final take-away is this: buying the most famous and most expensive tech product is not automatically the right thing.
_how_ exactly would you sell this CPU now that intel itself has addressed the issue it is still possible but people who surf a used market, just to get a CPU, and also are not aware of this issue, i'd say are very rare
THis is what I am doing. I am getting the CPU replaced and selling it new, then I am selling my z790 Hero as used and getting a Threadripper 7970. If I ever buy intel again, it'll be after AMD royally screws me again.
@@mehck-gk9yn7950x3d matches intel in gaming and productivity esp after the updates which allow proper core utilization, the 780pc3d is still gaming king though
Pretty sure 7950x / X3D were more expensive at start up then 13900k / 14900 K.. how that makes Intel the most expensive?! I do feel sorry for people with issues, but I have 13900ks and from day one it's running on unlimited power draw... Pulling 300w in Cinebench and still no issue whatsoever, running like a charm..
@@MrRoko91 After all this shitstorm, if I'm DELL's CEO, I communicate on it clearly and to prove my company is attached to sell reliable products I annouce that from now on, we plan to switch our future products to AMD CPU's. While making this annoucement, I put a big banner on my website "why our attachement to quality and ou customers made us favored AMD". To ensure the client won't flee (I understand that for the mainstream, Intel is king) I put various graphs of failure rates (DELL has enough internal data on it I think) comparing AMD and Intel. And they want to do some green washing, it's also easy, comparing power usage at equivalent performances.
This is terrifying. There is no way you can know if an expensive product you buy is going to work and seemingly these big companies try to even avoid dealing with rma. As an end customer you should be able to buy something with the reasonable expectation of it functioning. The tech industry seemingly slowly follows the steps of the gaming industry into shipping non functional or problematic products.
LOL the first quad AAAA game! Now introducing... Quad AAAA PC components! But seriously, yeah, 40s series gpus had melting cables. And amd cpus were cooked by mobos. But apparently AMD refunded those cpus, so good on them for that!
been doing 5 build over the past year for friends, 4xRyzen (mixed 5000 and 7000 series) and 1x13900, all have been running flawless except the 13900 that started becomming unstable a few month ago, he changed his PSU(in hindsight it was no help), and did all sorts of trouble shooting, nothing helped except to lower clock by 200mhz, that nearly took care of his crashes. I adviced him to do RMA on the CPU now. Intel has pushed their CPU's way above their limit in order to try and compete with AMD.
My 13900k is running great since i bought it. I did manually tweak it on day one to may liking to make it more efficient and run cooler, and i think that's what saved my butt so far.
@@EbonySaints Who in their right mind is going to buy a USED Intel 13th or 14th Gen CPU right now? Unless they are clueless is the only way. Nobody is going to trust a used Intel cpu for 13/14th Gen.
@@riseabove3082 That's the point. As malevolent and dishonest as it is, him selling it now is probably the only way he's going to recoup anything. Him sitting on it (unless Intel is actually going to go through with RMAs or refunds) does him no good.
Youu understand that it WILL eventually fail, right ? It's 100% failure rate, it is just a matter of time. 13900k were massively used for "cheap servers", servers are all about stability so it is heavily underclocked (both CPU and RAM), but it runs 24/7 non stop........100% failure rate.
I have it. Unless you overclock, it's way more than enough. My CPU barely breaks 60-65C under load with it with Intel Default settings. Lucky for me though, I never had any issues with my 13900K whatsoever.
@@CitarNosis317 Yeah I'm running the Phantom Spirit air cooler for my 7950x3D and it's running well on default settings under gaming/3D modelling work load. Didn't want to deal with the hassle of liquid cooler maintenance/potential leak risks whilst the performance difference over good air coolers wasn't earth shattering.
@@Accuaro Every CPU cooler performs as air heater, especially when it has to cool 200W CPU. It has to move that heat somewhere, so it heats air in the room.
I am doing RMA right now: Option 1: Send us your CPU and when we receive it, we will send you a new one Option 2: Pay us $599 plus $25 shipping and we will send you a new CPU tomorrow plus a return label for the broken CPU. You get refunded 30 days after they receive the broken CPU I demanded a refund, we'll see what they say... I also told them they lost a customer of 22 years for lying to us about the issue. Also my RMA has been lagging my agent is slow af 4+ days to get back to me each time like they are drawing it out on purpose for some reason.
I did option 2. CPU came in 2 days, they seemed to really want the other one back (even though you have 30 days) and messaged me "you send it yet?" so it seems they really want to investigate the issue. Took maybe 4-7 days after sending the old 13900k back out before I got my $599 refund. New one works great though, voltage seems where it is suppose to be, they said my new one was coming off the fab, and while I can't say how accurate that is, so far so good. I have a stable CPU again.
@@Mcnooblet You're lucky because after being given the choice between Option 1 or 2, they ignored me for 4 days and finally came back just to basically repeat confirmation of my choice. I was going Option 2 but since they took 4 days to get back to me and had an uncaring attitude about it, I changed to GIVE ME MY MONEY BACK or Option 1. We'll see how many more days this takes. The shitty part is they knew which batch(s) were bad and they let us use them anyway instead of doing an actual RECALL and swapping everyone's chips out that were effected. Intel is pure shit now.
@mehck-gk9yn As a customer for 22 years, did you not notice the red flags? During the 2000's where Netburst was made to win the MHz race and abandoning efficency. Payments to keep AMD away from major PC companies. How development stagnated in the 2010's when AMD's Bulldozer flopped? Intel has already shown how it operates in the past, this is merely a continuation.
They might accept it, but eventually they will begin to decline refunds. I did option 2, because I needed a system, and 7950x did not perform as good as 13900k, I know cause I tried it.
You're LITERALLY in the same exact situation, spot I'm in. Built my dream PC that I've wanted since I was a kid, and now with this i9 14900k it's been a complete nightmare. RMA'd the ram because I thought it was that. Glad I'm not alone. Going to see if this new update in mid August fixes anything, or else I'll be RMAing.
It is not fixable. If it was fixable by a microcode it would habe been done long ago. Even if you heavily downclock, reducing its performances to 10th or 11th gen, it will eventually fail....will just take longer.
@@Ilestun Something very very wrong if that's the case, it's like hyper electro migration. I don't even know what else to call it.... It shouldn't even be possible xD
Everything you're saying resonates so much. I also wanted to build my dream PC with a 14900K. It's been the worst computer I've ever owned. I wish I never upgraded. Thanks for the video. I hope this can get resolved for you.
I went from a nightmarish 13900k that I bought in November, 2022 to a new AMD 7950X3D that has been pure bliss. Almost two years of hell with Intel, even having it RMA's and replaced in April and it was still acting up. Now, it sits in it's blue box on my shelf, awaiting it's fate.
@@prequall it is for work productivity. For any cpu intensive tasks the higher end cpus beat the 7800x3d. The 7700x beats it in scenarios where you need the higher clk speeds. If the 7800x3d is so good at everything then all other cpus would be obsolete. Also if the 7800x3d is so good then why is amd making ryzen 9?
I have 12700k since December 2021 and it is flawless. How Intel could mess this so badly with 13/14 gen....Will probably go with Ryzen 9000 series next year...
Honestly at some point I even considered replacing mine with 14900k considering that I already invested in good mobo and really fast low latency DDR4. I'm so glad I was lazy and stuck with 12700k. It has been a pure beast for the last 3 year.
Same, 12700KF & 12900KF very stable after tuning them, had over a year. It's been great, glad I didn't upgrade/build 13th/14th. Am looking to see how the 9000 and new X3Ds will fare in September.
How ? It's simple, to keep up in terms of performances, the only solution they found was to push the silicone to its limit, to an unreasonable point. This is why. To keep up in terms of performances they have a CPUs consuming 4 times as much power, anyone can understand that Intel was acting totally desperate with 13th and 14th gen to keep up in terms of performances.
I also got a 12th Gen CPU and I'm still angry. I was planning on waiting for 13th/14th Gen prices to come down and slap in a 14700K or 14900K a few years down the road. Now, there's too much of a gamble in grabbing one since all of the SKUs are like playing timed minesweeper. Bartlett Lake _might_ be an okay upgrade, but the fact remains that there's two years of CPUs that will always be under the shadow of dying with little warning. I went AMD with my past builds and went Intel this time around since there was a nice confluence of factors (DDR5 dropped in price, AM5 motherboards were still pricey, and I really wanted an all Intel system just for kicks.) They need the people who are doing Arc's PR on board because despite Arc's massive screwed up launch, they fessed up to it not being up to par and went about trying to actually make it good. They didn't BS anyone after launch and did the hard work to make things right. The fact that the CPU division tried to brush this under the rug for so long is unforgivable. I don't care if Alder Lake was fine or that Bartlett Lake will be okay. After (a long postponed) upgrade, I will never buy a CPU from Intel again until they get their act together.
@@mrdappernature8861@ral8031 So your 12th gen cpu had no problems? How long you have yours for? If i refund my 13600k, i dont wanna sell my intel mobo. Seems a bit scummy since maybe can't safely put a 13th or 14th gen cpu in it. In which case, i might stick a 12th gen cpu in it, and either use it as my main pc, or use it solely for rendering.
it's a gamble with either one look at AMD bulldozer both could create a bad CPU believe me when i first got into PC, AMD was not even an option but now i run an AMD 5600x runs flawlessly was previously on sandy bridge and devil's canyon from intel and those lastest years no issue. All based on the product.
When Ryzen 5000 released AMD became better than Intel at gaming and productivity. Honestly now that Zen 5 is here, and Intel’s HEDT and server chips failed to gain over AMD, Intel shouldn’t be considered for any computer anymore
I don't know man I think Intel is still optimized for so many things. I have had like the best experience of my life with i5 12600k and rtx3060. Listened to the amd hype and bought a 7600x, plus a new mainboard for it. Was extremely disappointed because I paid like 300$ for literally nothing. Sometime it performs even worse than my old build, so I just went back to my old intel, just to found out that it is in defected chip list. I am kind of hyped for 9950x just because of intel fucked up, but to be honest from what I have seen, the amd hype is just insane and you are still basically flipping a coin everytime you choose intel or amd.
@@aa-fi9ks No, you didn't "listen to the amd hype", you impulse bought unnecessary hardware while your own was still more than up to the task. Don't downplay your own agency and lack of research, like for example looking up game benchmarks that show CPU upgrades barely affect performance.
@@baraka629 What even is your problem ? Just wanted to upgrade my computer, amd vs intel had existed for forever so buying a amd mainboard wasn't a bad thing for me. But is it unreasonable to expect a chip that cost more than half the released price of my old chip would at least outperforming it ? Ryzen 5 7600x was marketed as the best thing ever, beating 12900 by 20%. I call it bullshit now, so is 7800x3d beating 13600, or now 9950 beating 14900. Amd hype is everywhere, reviewers with cherry picked win, ignore frame drops, gloss over losses, trying to sell you average product with inflated price, it is not even a benchmark problems.
@@aa-fi9ks my problem is you trying to portray being an uneducated customer as somehow being... AMD's fault?? the 12600k released Q4 2021 at an MSRP of 289$, the 7600X released Q4 2022 at an MSRP of 299$. That's like buying the next year's iphone after already having gotten this year's model and being surprised they aren't much different and it was basically a waste of money. No duh. Had you asked anyone out there - "i got 600 bucks, what should i upgrade for best performance in XYZ", they most likely would have told you your CPU is perfectly fine and to put the money towards a better GPU. A 6800 xt or 3080 for example.
what are you talking about? All the corporations are the same.. You think AMD wouldnt act the same in similar situation? Any corporation put in intels situation would act the same. All corporations are opportunistic greedy machines and always have been, they are legally rent seeking machines.
theres no guarantee that this microcode upgrade will fix the deagradation, it will probably slow it to a point where your warranty is over and you can't RMA it. I work building computers for enterprise clients (mainly Video editing) and i had to stop building 13/14th gen Intel cause of instablity. All my clients go AMD i have not had any complaints on the performance and reliabiluty side, can't speak about gaming, but i'm sure its not really that bad.
yes it wont fix the already degraded processors for that you are going to have to go through the rma process to replace it and will only fix those processor which are still fine and havent been affected or degraded yet i have an i7 14700k which was running perfectly fine at stock settings with asus oc profile no crashes at all but i still updated my bios and have put it to intel default settings just to be safe till the mid august update patch arrives and hopefully fixes the issue with intel cpus.
@@TheOne214 yes i know that, but the microcode won't fix the fact that the I/O die was moved away in the 13/14gen processors (compared to 12gen and previous), i know it will get better, but the processors will still degrade even with the microcode fix, specially the TOP END (13900/14900-K/F/S, etc)
@@JMKarymidoN if they fix the micro code issue then no the processors wont degrade than do you even know why they are degrading its because the volts are reaching upto 1.6 volts this is because of a buggy microcode and this much volts will degrade and kill any cpu the safe limits are upto 1.4 you can go upto 1.5 but not above this because it will kill your cpu and this is what are causing high voltages so a microcode fix will hopefully resolve this issue.
@@TheOne214 that's ONE of the issues, oh boy theres more, on the chipset W680 (z690 for servers) some CPU's are still degrading, even with Undervolting, even with locked voltages (Waay lower than stocks), no etvb, no OC, never running higher than 80°c, and still degrading and failing. trust me, theres still more shit to come from 13/14gen crap.
@@TheOne214 also, just read on TechPowerUP that "Intel Will Not Recall Failing 13th and 14th Gen CPUs" the article has some great insight. f the costumers i guess?
Around June last year I decided to build my first PC after having used Pre-builts in the past. Went in with the same mindset of getting good stuff that will last for a long time. Went with Intel i9-13900K Everything worked great at the first month and no issues. Then suddenly when playing games with some friends the entire PC would just freeze and Id have to hold down the power button to turn it off. I thought It was a game issue at the time and thought nothing more of it. A couple of months pass and I notice that when loading into some games and areas in games the temps would go into extremes for a little bit and then stop. Then now in the past 3 months more random issues have come up like desktop apps crashing out of the blue. I was looking at all sorts of threads and advice but nothing seemed to be of use so I figure that maybe I have a computer virus or something but then I see someone post about these Intel issues and it all just clicked. Ordered AMD today so I can change asap cause the Intel card noticeably and quickly degrades when the issues come around.
I had the EXACT same issues you are having now. I started the RMA yesterday. Going to send it out while I am on vacation so I can be without my main rig. What a PITA!
I feel you bro. I recently splashed £2000+ to build my next PC and I got i7 14700k , after 2 weeks I discovered all the problems on internet these chips may possess. I didnt take chances and send it back to amazon in 30 days return window and got i9 12900kf and funny enough it runs cooler than the i7 14 gen. I feel your pain but once you sort this you will be fine. I feel like I dodged the bullet
@@foxtenz6346 Sorry, it was just the "funny enough it runs cooler", considering the i7-14700KF is 20 cores w/ 28 threads clocks max 5.60 GHz vs i9-12900KF is 16 cores w/ 24 clocks max 5.20 GHz I would expect the i9 to draw less power (and make less heat)
Interesting, Have the 12900KF also (main rig with 4090 48gb DDR5). I always thought a 14700KF/14900KF might be worth but glad I stayed. 12700KF also doing fine. Nice to hear how it runs cooler also. I've also disabled e cores on all mine find the P cores boost better and less game crashing for what I play. You did dodge a refund bullet there. It seems there are two scenarios either degradation has occurred, will need more electricity to do what it once did or it hasn't.
@@llorrik oh got it...I wasn't sure what was funny about it 🙂. I would like new Gen processors to be an improvement over old Gen but not in this case unfortunately. So my point was the i9 12 Gen runs already hot but not as hot as the new i7 14 Gen. As we all know for obvious reasons
Thanks for the testimony, also are you using the TLM 102? Sounds extremely bright on my end, might want to tone down the S frequency range, just found it hard to listen at times. that's all.
It sucks to be in this mess, and I hope your situation gets better. Lucky me, I just built my PC last month. I went with AMD, the Ryzen 5, and RTX 7900 GRE. I guess I just dodged a bullet.
I wish I had seen your video before, I'm having the same problem with an i7 14700k, the temperature suddenly goes up for no reason, causing the cooler fans to speed up and it sounds like there's a plane in my room. I can't believe this is happening, only 3 days after I bought this processor, and I haven't even had time to play, the CPU literally wouldn't go over 5% load, but out of nowhere the temperature starts going up.
As someone with an i5 12600K: I am VERY disappointed with Intel. The 12 gen series was/is straight fire, and the 13th gen series was great too... until we found out about the instability and degrading issues. Now if I want a solid CPU upgrade without having to worry about instability and degrading performance, I have to switch to the AM5 platform, which means I gotta get new RAM (I have DDR4 at the moment, and AM5 only uses DDR5), a new motherboard, along with a new CPU. Yeah, I'm gonna hold onto my 12600K for another year or two.
I also have an i9 13th gen and for about 6 months it was working flawlessly, then I started having regular issues like you, and more (eg: cant do a reset if i want to and must do a clean install). So yeah now we all know the problem was these 13th and 14th gen processors 😅
I’m so sorry you’re going through this !!!! I have been using intel my whole life and on my third build when this all happened got a 13900ks n now scared it has these issues as well. All companies have blunders as long as they fully take care of you and all of us they can turn things around. Please update the video after you get your RMA to show us how it works out. Also if they give a new boxed chip or a refurbished.
I've heard the problem is a few cores being boosted (in frequency and voltage) way higher than others in a few applications, and the fix was to lock all the cores in BIOS
I may have lucked out. I have a 14900K that was unstable, but after the motherboard PL1, PL2 and current limits were revised, I haven't had a single problem. I'm on the latest BIOS right now with the eTVB adjustments and I'm still good. I may have a golden sample on my hands.
Dude, I could feel your frustration through the video. Hearing someone talk about it is really different compared to just reading it on reddit or from a 3rd party report.
I used Intel cpu's for over a decade. All they did was give me issues. My 4790k which was MEANT for overclocking would always bluescreen. I switched to a Ryzen cpu and my pc's been the most stable its ever been
I did the same thing earlier this year. I built my dream machine! However, since I had used both Intel and AMD in the past, I went with AMD. I have also gone back and forth between Nvidia and AMD for graphics. Currently, Nvidia is over priced and under engineered. I went with the AMD 7950X3D and the 7900XTX. I got the well designed 7900XTX by XFX. It has a cast metal backplate which eliminates flex. The system has been flawless. Windows 11 on the other hand........
The microcode fix is just going to lower voltages and fix your multiplier lower, exactly as you've been doing. There is no easy fix for silicon defects. Watch buildzoid (actually hardcore overclocking channel on youtube) talking about is issue, if you have the time. The 14th gen processors have the exact same problem.
but according to intel, so take it with grain of salt, the degradation only affects early batches and manufacturing process was improved. The instability affects all due to microcode.
I'll never forgive Intel for how they've handled this every step of the way. I have a 13900K that's been running fine since Jan '23, but I wouldn't even know about potential issues as a customer without news articles coming forth about it. They're not even pulling anything off shelves. Absolutely disgusting behavior.
If an RMA doesn't work, I'd get a 12th gen that doesn't suffer from issues and just use the rest of the system as is (there are some 13th gen "Raptor Lake" CPUs that are pretty much rebranded 12th, but you're not going to get 13900 performance out of them).. a 12900K would be much more cost effect than to swap out the entire platform. Edit: a second hand 12900k, there's no reason to buy BNIB old-stock processors/
I have a 13700KF, and it is quite bad. I'm not going to try to get a decent replacement that's not corroding, and I am not downgrading to 12th Gen to not have these issues, rather I just bought a 7800X3D. Works like a charm.
Companies have no respect for consumers. All of them. It's because we take it. Companies used to stand behind their products. Not because they had to keep their stock market up, but they had pride in the work they did. It's simply no longer the case. And the quality issues are leaking out more each passing year.
Right there with ya brother! Built a computer around the 13900ks chip and been having more and more problems as of lately. Waiting till they do their code update before i rma so i hopefully dont screw up that chip with their faulty code! Best of luck!
Only thing left to worry about is the 4090 burning out the power connector. Also the way your GPU is mounted can damage it. If you mount it in the standard config without a GPU support the PCIE edge connector flexes and breaks the PCB. So you're not out of the woods yet.
@@betag24cn AMD will cave in and support the connector as the power supply companies will want to cut down on the cables they include. NVIDIA dominance isn't something AMD can weather. They need to pick their battles and this isn't it.
@@betag24cn This connector isn't proprietary as PSU companies have had these included in their products for over a year now. The PSU manufacturers want this to save money on cables ( copper is expensive ) and NVIDIA wants it because they can dictate the market trends. This isn't the hill you want to die on AMD.
@@oswaldjh that is their problem if they want to have a tsunami of warrantioes because the pos connector likes to give problems because it was designed by no idea who and why, you can put all the arguments against it, i dont see it happening
They’re not taking care of it, they’re trying to de-rate the cpu so they’ll survive long enough to make it out of the warranty period. If you have one of these cpus, as I do, it will never last as long as it should have, regardless of whether or not they can ‘fix’ the microcode. Think of it like tires on your car and the microcode being the alignment. The alignment has been bad, per Intel, and your tire is worn to the radials. Fixing the alignment doesn’t put rubber and tread back on the tire. Intel is hoping you won’t notice they ruined your tire.
No, they are trying to force the CPUs to operate within design parameters and not according to what the MB manufacturers determine makes their board look better than the competition.
Super unlucky :( Its interesting to hear from someone first hand who is having all these issues though, thanks for sharing. If you do end up switching to AMD with an AM5 Motherboard, it should still last you a long time at this point as you will be able to upgrade to any future generations of CPUs that support AM5, there should be at least 1 or two more generations on AM5.
I just built my dream computer as well, 4090 and all, spent well over 4k. I can perfectly imagine what it must feel like to put that machine together after investing so much only for it to give you headache after headache. I'm so glad I got a 7800X3D instead. Been using it for about a month now, absolutely zero issues.
If you have a 13th or 14th gen Intel processor, its not a matter of IF it will fail but WHEN... So glad i moved to Ryzen. My 7800X3d is an absolute gaming beast!
i was so happy i chose 11 gen over the new 14 gen beuh that price difference saved alot and money same fps no probls heres the stability for the i11700k if yall having heat issues for 5.0ghz 1.390v sa volts 410 auto everything else stability is insane i tested every value over 17 hours of work for dat boys salute!
I feel you bro.... Couple of months ago I build my dream PC, unfortunately I got 14700KF and I HOPE that it won't become a very expensive paperweight, but somehow I think it WILL xD Soon I might need a new CPU, Motherboard and even the RAM, mine has only XMP prof. no AMD EXPO xD The only thing I can say is: INTEL.... You Shattered my DREAM !!! Hope your kids give you the look of disappointment :D
My i9 13900k is recently all of a sudden making every program crash frequently. Hoping to get a replacement right now but Intel's customer suupport is so bad it's crazy to navigate their site. It's as if they wanted to make it as painful as humanly possible to use your warranty. I identified the problem being a damaged core by using a software called Lasso, after googling a bit it seems that the main problem of 13 and 14th gen intel processors draw too much power causing them to become defective within a couple years.
Greed. Pure, unadulterated, greed. That's the one thing driving every issue that's now biting Intel in the ass now. I was super excited to see how their Battlemage GPUs developed, but now I'm just frustrated. AMD makes stupid, stupid marketing decisions. Stupid pricing decisions to either encourage buying a higher SKU. Stupid last-minute things. But this? This is so, so much worse. So, so much more malicious.
Greed, is the one thing protecting them from full recall that would be a massive blow on them. Besides all corporations are founded on greed, that is their mandate, AMD isnt any different. Providing fix that might work or not plus extending warranty avoids them billions of losses that would come if they recalled all chips.
I feel ya man. I ordered a lenovo that is coming with a 13900, but I'm going to be really careful and undervolt it right away, and waiting for the BIOS update that's coming mid-late august. I don't think I'll have any problems but if I do at least I have a 3 year on site warranty from lenovo.
My solution for BSODs were fresh installs, ram kit swaps, eventually I just went Nobara 39 then 40 recently. On 12700KF & 12900KF 4090 but that stuff gets annoying to deal with. So much time spent in the BIOS for the last year getting both machines stable.
I dodged a bullet. I upgraded to an i512600k and a 4070ti super build... Edit: Btw I wouldn't switch to AMD anyway, their products are always scarce where I live and not much cheaper. In fact some of the equivalent GPU options were more expensive.
Apparently there's evidence of oxidation at one of Intel's fabs, on top of people noticing that the power delivery in the cpu that supplies to both the P and E cores, as well as PCI lanes is being way overworked. You are definitely way safer skipping the next couple of Intel skews that aren't on a new node. 7800x3d is a safer bet. 12900k cpus are also seemingly fine, but Zen4 is just better.
Bought my 14700k in Match 2024 which is from Nov 2023 batch and used for like 2months. Runs perfectly fine. But still scared of Oxidation Issue. Dont know if it will live long.
I have a 13700K for my office pc and it's been rock solid. I under-volted it right away because I cpu mine with the "P-cores" and do everything else with the "E-cores." My gaming rig is a 5800x3d though I play most games on my Ryzen 3600 pc in my rec room these days.
Good luck man, got a 13900K, seller ghosted me and Intel is ignoring it till everyone forgets. Saved 300 dollars but I could have bought a X670 and 7800X3D.
Whatever you do, don't get intel 13th or 14th gen. Both generations have the same issues, and 14th gen is only about 1% faster than 13th gen while costing more.
@@DaggerDaggerYT what if the class action requires intel to reimburse customers the full amount? Any lawyer handling the case would make a huge amount of money even if they took a small percentage as their share.
I have a 13th Gen CPU. Had it for nearly two years. I play a lot of flight sims, race sims, space stuff etc and I have never even had a crash or blue screen. But my CPU is the i5-13600k and it works perfectly.
I was finally thinking about building a new PC for the first time since 2018. I started watching the old hardware channels I watched around then to get caught back up on the state of things and OH BOY. Glad I didn't decide to do this like a year or two ago.
I really wanted to ask this to one with the issue. Have you tried increasing the voltage further on your CPU? And have you tried disabling certain cores every time to see which one might have a defect?
I’m In basically the exact same boat. Thought it was ram at first so I bought a new kit, didn’t help. Then lowered the power and clocks which made it stable for about 3 months and recently it’s been back to shitting itself randomly once a night.
Sad to hear bro, unfortunately they are so used to being on top they had to push there processors so hard to keep up they lost sight of the consumer which put them there. I have been one who has switched to red after many many years of team blue. Good luck with the RMA and hope it works out.
I'm in the same boat right now, 13900k since may last year, was fine for about 8 months, then the bluescreens started, then the random errors, then the drivers not being able to install, weird errors etc etc.. Now i'm running it underclocked at 5.0.. fuck intel man
man that sucks, I got my 13900k on presale, and I do heavy 3d rendering for work, I haven't oc or downclocked or undervolted or anything, not even tried the micro codes or the new bios, I downloaded the last bios from asus proart, but read some threads that is unstable for some people and haven't updated it, idk if it helps for you but the settings I got, are, all on auto, and disabling all the asus crap, multicore blah blah, and the seting that says "enforce all intel limits" I don't remember where it is, but with that on, I haven't had a single bsod, right from the start it gave me some errors but it was memory issues, I got 128 gb and on of the stcks was a fifferent kind of chip than the rest, I returned the kit and got anohter one and problem solved to this day, saw you have a noctua, temperature seems to be critical, I have this on a 360 aio and a thermalright contact frame too, all since the day 1, if you get another 13 or 14 i9 I recommend you those settings and a better cooler and a contact frame 👌
I empathise. Having problems like that with any PC, let alone an expensive one really is a nightmare. Not only because of the need to systematically swap things in and out if the source of the issue is not known but it also takes a lot of time, costs money causes a lot of stress and prevents other productive work being done. I have almost always followed a rule whereby when I build a new machine, I only use components that have been on the market for at least 18 months but are still available new. That way, if there are issues I nearly always avoid them. The only time I ever did run into issues was when I broke that rule. I am fine buying a recent or current product if it is merely a faster version of precisely the same thing sold 18 months ago but that is the limit of my rule-bending. My machines might not ever be state of the art but since anything I run on them is also mature software, the only thing I really miss out on is the very latest and greatest (which is usually under beta testing anyway). To give an example, the brand new machine I built this week is a mere B550 chipset ASUS mainboard with 5800x3D CPU and RTX4080 Super. Granted the GPU did not come onto the market 6 months ago but it is still an RTX 4 series architecture which is of course older than that.
I have a Alienware Aurora-R15 with a i9 13900k and one year later this CPU was replaced because it was busted... Now.... I'm afraid to use my computer for fear the CPU will break again....
Bad luck dude. I had problem with BSOD and crash many years ago with TLB bug Phenom AMD CPU, was a nightmare. Since then only had Intel CPU. Right now 10900k. Seems i have to go back AMD again. But its ok since i only had AMD GPU anyway. Maybe giving Nvidia a chance.
Dude, it happened to mine as well on day 1! Rog strix 4090, 13900k, z790 maximus hero, you name it, all top of the line like you. Blue screens, direct x, all kinds of shit. My games crash daily, multiple times in a matter of hours. Shaders reset after a while after a few crashes, IT HAS BEEN A FUCKED TIME. Like you, I started seeing these vids on the problem this past week. Unreal from Intel, $550 for a shit year. I found a channel, FRAMECHASERS, he says to lock the cores once you receive the RMA.
Micro code won't fix this. The problem is structural. I'm sorry, dude. I've been through the headaches of putting a pc together. Intel is terrible. I went team red with cpu and gpu.
Gonna RMA my 14900K soon. Huge waste of money. Like you I though I was going to have my dream PC, but it's more like a god damn nightmare. I had it running butter smooth for three months and now it's fucking up again, but even worse. I never even had a BSOD until very recently and now my files are becoming corrupted. And for some reason, this now happened after the latest microcode update. Now I'll have to sell my mobo too. I'm never touching Intel for the rest of my life. Going with the Ryzen 7950X3D probably. So disappointed.
Intel has a long long history of doing all sorts of shoddy things, from paid stores to only sell intel (illegally), the same with benchmarks, execute worst code for AMD in their compiler, and a long etc.
The 7800x3d is just as fast as both the 13900k and 14900k in gaming while costing less, running cooler, and using a fraction of the power.
im enjoying the 7950x3d .
also don't forget the beauty of being able to reuse the AM5 socket for future cpus...
@dcxSpartan117 no raid 5 and not enough pcie lanes for me. My main gpu would of been stuck at pcie x8 gen5 cause I have a secondary card for stream monitor and other gpu heavy task for when I game.
I would of has to buy a threadripper for same features. Which sucks now cause 14900k.
7800x3d is faster when it comes to games mostly but not all games i9 13900k, i7 14700k and i9 14900k does beat it in some titles and destroys 7800x3d in productivity though.
@@dcxSpartan117 lga 1700 is also not a dead platform anymore intel plans to release barlett lake s chips for it.
What people keep forgetting is Intel knew early 2023 about their 13th gen CPUS actually had defects (via corrosion) but they didn't tell anyone. They have B2B partners now asking why were their RMAs not honored when they knew before and it only came out now.
Yeah, can't really trust Intel at this point. Really scummy move
I’m curious if it’s going to turn into a class action lawsuit.
@@DaggerDaggerYT The only things that will save them from that is if the gov't steps in. Knowingly hiding defects for more than a year is grounds for a class action lawsuit. Add to the fact that they lied about their BGA chips with reports of laptop partners complaining about 13th and 14th gen failing. If they don't get sued or a total recall isn't made, the FTC needs to be called out for this. Think about it, Samsung had less than 200 reports in the US and recalled 2.5 million phones. Intel just swept everything under the rug and it's like nothing, because its a US company. I know it's a bit extreme comparing it to a mobile phone, but Intel has affected B2B partners all over the world. They've also produced much more 13th and 14th gen chips than just the paltry 2.5 million phones Sammy recalled. On average Intel produces near 2 billion chips per year. Imagine when B2B partners say the failure rate is 50-100%.
@@DaggerDaggerYTIf intel refuses full refunds, then there should absolutely be a class action lawsuit. None of these problems are the fault of the consumer
Im not sure anyone is forgetting. Seems pretty forefront for a lot. Also, the 14th gen still has the via corrosion.
My 14700K is from April 2024 batch but I'm still worried now because I had similar story as yours. Building a childhood dream pc and then experiencing this sort of stuff totally sucks!
How hot is your CPU getting?
I bought my i9 13900k in July of 2023, so I don't think mine will have the oxidation problem, however there is still the issue of overvolting which I can fix, but shouldn't need to. I upgraded from a 6700k and... I think I'll keep it around a bit longer. Sucks that I have to worry about my CPU dying within a year.
@@DustyCruzThe oxidation problem happened at at least one Intel fab in 2023 (Arizona). Intel never disclosed when it happened or what batches so you don't know for sure if your CPU is effected.
All that money wasted. I'm so glad i got a 7950x3d over the 14900k now.
Hey, have you had any problems with your 7950x3d? I'm considering refunding my 13600k (if they let me) and switching to AMD. I heard amd had their own little disaster with cpus or something, but they handled it much more responsibly than Intel is?
@@amixofgeekcontent Those AMD BIOS were patched (would just check that it's on a patched version) but BIOS, it's fixed but those motherboards were overvoltaging cooking AMD CPUs to death over a year ago I believe (AMD did replace those CPUs) . I assume tuning PBO might be one thing to adjust, which I think is the equivalent of Intel Turbo Boost (that causes game crashing). I don't like the way Intel has handled so far (despite being on 12th, which just had manageable things to tune), my 12700KF & 12900KF are solid. I also switched to Nobara 39 (am now on fresh 40 installs) the 12700KF was BSODing doing not much. 9000 series X3Ds will be out in September, which should be interesting, should also price cut possibly the current ones. First thing to determine is if degradation has occurred, if it has vs hasn't are two different treatments on how to tune/try to refund/rma if it has degraded.
@@dianaalyssa8726 thanks for the info! Sorry I'm confused. Your 12700kf started bsod-ing after u installed a new Linux os? Is it still bsod-ing?
I was thinking of waiting until black Friday. But I don't wanna wait, in case all the am5 cpus sell out from a bunch of Intel users switching over. I'm gonna call the local stores I bought my cpu and mobo to see if they're taking refunds lol. My 13600k hasn't had major issues afaik, maybe small ones that I thought nothing of until now. But that might be cuz my cpu can't go 100% usage often since it's bottlenecked by my IGPU lol.
@@amixofgeekcontent Built it April of this year and not a single issue. I did make sure to do a bios flashback before the first boot though
@@jrksoldierx1436 thanks for the info
Exactly the same happened to me. I did the RMA recently and i got a 7800x3d and a new motherboard. Intel agreed to send a replacement, but i asked the seller for a different cpu and a motherboard and i would pay the difference. Even if i have to sell my motherboard, i don't want to go back to having issues for one year.
Good choice sir
You where able to give them a dead platform garbage and get future proof gold back 🧐, well played 🫡
I wasn't so lucky unfortunately and my 13900k was out of warranty by the time id realized degradation was the issue. So i threw it in the trash and got a 7800x3d. I'd much rather bite the bullet then deal with this bs again and i definitely wont be buying chips from intel for a while, not just getting the 7800x3d in the first place was my biggest fumble of the last 2 years smh.
@@xxace7ezxx909 Hindsight's 20/20. PS don't throw electronic hardware in the trash, donate to recycling center.
@@xxace7ezxx909 That's so sad man. I didn't buy the 7800x3d because it wasn't released yet. I should have waited a few months. And agree with you, it's not worth dealing with this bs. BIOS patch not released yet and we don't even know if it's going to solve these issues.
Everyone is going AMD, it’s beautiful
I have lived through 3 releases of AMD chips catching fire in sockets. Fanboying a corporation is never beautiful. I do enjoy Intel getting kicked in the dick but AMD is no better.
remember kid never fanboy overa a brand.
@@mehck-gk9yn oh here comes the anecdote squad
@@baraka629 Don't be upset because I have a valid point.
@@mehck-gk9yn you have a subjective opinion that you back with personal experience. anecdotes aren't considered up to par with scientific rigor for a reason, you can find an anecdote to back up any kind of point, regardless how asinine.
I'm really sorry for you man. I'm pretty sure, they will replace your CPU. I would strongly advise you to quickly sell that stuff and go with 7800X3D for mainly gaming or 7950X3D for gaming and productivity, depending on your usage. Final take-away is this: buying the most famous and most expensive tech product is not automatically the right thing.
_how_ exactly would you sell this CPU now that intel itself has addressed the issue
it is still possible but people who surf a used market, just to get a CPU, and also are not aware of this issue, i'd say are very rare
THis is what I am doing. I am getting the CPU replaced and selling it new, then I am selling my z790 Hero as used and getting a Threadripper 7970. If I ever buy intel again, it'll be after AMD royally screws me again.
@@mehck-gk9yn7950x3d matches intel in gaming and productivity esp after the updates which allow proper core utilization, the 780pc3d is still gaming king though
Pretty sure 7950x / X3D were more expensive at start up then 13900k / 14900 K.. how that makes Intel the most expensive?!
I do feel sorry for people with issues, but I have 13900ks and from day one it's running on unlimited power draw... Pulling 300w in Cinebench and still no issue whatsoever, running like a charm..
@@Need4FPS hey what cooler are you using?
"Intel's not terrible" Well they sure are now with how they're handling this situation!!
They used to be terrible back in the day too when bribing OEMs to not use AMD CPUs... extremely anti-competitive and shady company.
@@MrRoko91 They have still done it recently with DELL.
@@Ilestun Hmm, didn't know that... the audacity of this company is insane.
@@MrRoko91 After all this shitstorm, if I'm DELL's CEO, I communicate on it clearly and to prove my company is attached to sell reliable products I annouce that from now on, we plan to switch our future products to AMD CPU's.
While making this annoucement, I put a big banner on my website "why our attachement to quality and ou customers made us favored AMD".
To ensure the client won't flee (I understand that for the mainstream, Intel is king) I put various graphs of failure rates (DELL has enough internal data on it I think) comparing AMD and Intel.
And they want to do some green washing, it's also easy, comparing power usage at equivalent performances.
@@Ilestun that would be too sensible thing for a company like Dell to do... would never expect them to have this much integrity.
The space heater died...
This is terrifying. There is no way you can know if an expensive product you buy is going to work and seemingly these big companies try to even avoid dealing with rma. As an end customer you should be able to buy something with the reasonable expectation of it functioning. The tech industry seemingly slowly follows the steps of the gaming industry into shipping non functional or problematic products.
LOL the first quad AAAA game! Now introducing... Quad AAAA PC components!
But seriously, yeah, 40s series gpus had melting cables. And amd cpus were cooked by mobos. But apparently AMD refunded those cpus, so good on them for that!
been doing 5 build over the past year for friends, 4xRyzen (mixed 5000 and 7000 series) and 1x13900, all have been running flawless except the 13900 that started becomming unstable a few month ago, he changed his PSU(in hindsight it was no help), and did all sorts of trouble shooting, nothing helped except to lower clock by 200mhz, that nearly took care of his crashes. I adviced him to do RMA on the CPU now.
Intel has pushed their CPU's way above their limit in order to try and compete with AMD.
At least there's big news proving it's not ur fault! Hope things work out well for ur friend.
My 13900k is running great since i bought it. I did manually tweak it on day one to may liking to make it more efficient and run cooler, and i think that's what saved my butt so far.
same here tbh, but still very tempted to go 7800x3d and sell my 13900K/Z790 while its working to cover some of the cost.
@@driftwizeSell it *now.* I'm positive that 13th and 14th Gen used sale prices will crater the longer you wait.
@@EbonySaints Who in their right mind is going to buy a USED Intel 13th or 14th Gen CPU right now? Unless they are clueless is the only way. Nobody is going to trust a used Intel cpu for 13/14th Gen.
@@riseabove3082 That's the point. As malevolent and dishonest as it is, him selling it now is probably the only way he's going to recoup anything. Him sitting on it (unless Intel is actually going to go through with RMAs or refunds) does him no good.
Youu understand that it WILL eventually fail, right ? It's 100% failure rate, it is just a matter of time.
13900k were massively used for "cheap servers", servers are all about stability so it is heavily underclocked (both CPU and RAM), but it runs 24/7 non stop........100% failure rate.
That air cooler should be called air heater
I have it. Unless you overclock, it's way more than enough. My CPU barely breaks 60-65C under load with it with Intel Default settings. Lucky for me though, I never had any issues with my 13900K whatsoever.
@@CitarNosis317 Yeah I'm running the Phantom Spirit air cooler for my 7950x3D and it's running well on default settings under gaming/3D modelling work load. Didn't want to deal with the hassle of liquid cooler maintenance/potential leak risks whilst the performance difference over good air coolers wasn't earth shattering.
Aint no way you dissin the legendary D15 like that. Goated tower cooler.
@@Accuaro Every CPU cooler performs as air heater, especially when it has to cool 200W CPU. It has to move that heat somewhere, so it heats air in the room.
I prefer Air cooling to using an AIO. Less chances of some tube breaking/leaking and taking out the rest of my system.
I am doing RMA right now:
Option 1: Send us your CPU and when we receive it, we will send you a new one
Option 2: Pay us $599 plus $25 shipping and we will send you a new CPU tomorrow plus a return label for the broken CPU. You get refunded 30 days after they receive the broken CPU
I demanded a refund, we'll see what they say... I also told them they lost a customer of 22 years for lying to us about the issue. Also my RMA has been lagging my agent is slow af 4+ days to get back to me each time like they are drawing it out on purpose for some reason.
I did option 2. CPU came in 2 days, they seemed to really want the other one back (even though you have 30 days) and messaged me "you send it yet?" so it seems they really want to investigate the issue. Took maybe 4-7 days after sending the old 13900k back out before I got my $599 refund. New one works great though, voltage seems where it is suppose to be, they said my new one was coming off the fab, and while I can't say how accurate that is, so far so good. I have a stable CPU again.
@@Mcnooblet You're lucky because after being given the choice between Option 1 or 2, they ignored me for 4 days and finally came back just to basically repeat confirmation of my choice. I was going Option 2 but since they took 4 days to get back to me and had an uncaring attitude about it, I changed to GIVE ME MY MONEY BACK or Option 1. We'll see how many more days this takes.
The shitty part is they knew which batch(s) were bad and they let us use them anyway instead of doing an actual RECALL and swapping everyone's chips out that were effected. Intel is pure shit now.
@mehck-gk9yn As a customer for 22 years, did you not notice the red flags? During the 2000's where Netburst was made to win the MHz race and abandoning efficency. Payments to keep AMD away from major PC companies.
How development stagnated in the 2010's when AMD's Bulldozer flopped?
Intel has already shown how it operates in the past, this is merely a continuation.
Intel flopped
They might accept it, but eventually they will begin to decline refunds. I did option 2, because I needed a system, and 7950x did not perform as good as 13900k, I know cause I tried it.
You're LITERALLY in the same exact situation, spot I'm in. Built my dream PC that I've wanted since I was a kid, and now with this i9 14900k it's been a complete nightmare. RMA'd the ram because I thought it was that. Glad I'm not alone. Going to see if this new update in mid August fixes anything, or else I'll be RMAing.
It is not fixable. If it was fixable by a microcode it would habe been done long ago.
Even if you heavily downclock, reducing its performances to 10th or 11th gen, it will eventually fail....will just take longer.
@@Ilestun Something very very wrong if that's the case, it's like hyper electro migration. I don't even know what else to call it.... It shouldn't even be possible xD
Everything you're saying resonates so much. I also wanted to build my dream PC with a 14900K. It's been the worst computer I've ever owned. I wish I never upgraded. Thanks for the video. I hope this can get resolved for you.
go with a 7800X3D or wait until the 9000 X3D series. hopefully you can get a refund or warranty replacement for your 14900k
I went from a nightmarish 13900k that I bought in November, 2022 to a new AMD 7950X3D that has been pure bliss. Almost two years of hell with Intel, even having it RMA's and replaced in April and it was still acting up. Now, it sits in it's blue box on my shelf, awaiting it's fate.
My 14900k was a pure nightmare so far. Returned it last week.
why are people buying intel with 7800X3D existing is beyond me
Because people want to use their pc for other stuff not just gaming. The 7800x3d serves its purpose and that is gaming.
@@djnohands3632 just buy 7950 x3d then
@@djnohands3632 Acting like the difference is major.
@@prequall it is for work productivity. For any cpu intensive tasks the higher end cpus beat the 7800x3d. The 7700x beats it in scenarios where you need the higher clk speeds. If the 7800x3d is so good at everything then all other cpus would be obsolete. Also if the 7800x3d is so good then why is amd making ryzen 9?
@@djnohands3632 halo products are a big thing in tech
I have 12700k since December 2021 and it is flawless. How Intel could mess this so badly with 13/14 gen....Will probably go with Ryzen 9000 series next year...
Honestly at some point I even considered replacing mine with 14900k considering that I already invested in good mobo and really fast low latency DDR4. I'm so glad I was lazy and stuck with 12700k. It has been a pure beast for the last 3 year.
Same, 12700KF & 12900KF very stable after tuning them, had over a year. It's been great, glad I didn't upgrade/build 13th/14th. Am looking to see how the 9000 and new X3Ds will fare in September.
How ? It's simple, to keep up in terms of performances, the only solution they found was to push the silicone to its limit, to an unreasonable point.
This is why.
To keep up in terms of performances they have a CPUs consuming 4 times as much power, anyone can understand that Intel was acting totally desperate with 13th and 14th gen to keep up in terms of performances.
My i9 12900k works beautifully! I'm so glad I went with this CPU.
12700k. We are in the clear.
I also got a 12th Gen CPU and I'm still angry. I was planning on waiting for 13th/14th Gen prices to come down and slap in a 14700K or 14900K a few years down the road. Now, there's too much of a gamble in grabbing one since all of the SKUs are like playing timed minesweeper. Bartlett Lake _might_ be an okay upgrade, but the fact remains that there's two years of CPUs that will always be under the shadow of dying with little warning.
I went AMD with my past builds and went Intel this time around since there was a nice confluence of factors (DDR5 dropped in price, AM5 motherboards were still pricey, and I really wanted an all Intel system just for kicks.)
They need the people who are doing Arc's PR on board because despite Arc's massive screwed up launch, they fessed up to it not being up to par and went about trying to actually make it good. They didn't BS anyone after launch and did the hard work to make things right. The fact that the CPU division tried to brush this under the rug for so long is unforgivable.
I don't care if Alder Lake was fine or that Bartlett Lake will be okay. After (a long postponed) upgrade, I will never buy a CPU from Intel again until they get their act together.
@@mrdappernature8861@ral8031 So your 12th gen cpu had no problems? How long you have yours for? If i refund my 13600k, i dont wanna sell my intel mobo. Seems a bit scummy since maybe can't safely put a 13th or 14th gen cpu in it. In which case, i might stick a 12th gen cpu in it, and either use it as my main pc, or use it solely for rendering.
Same have both 1270KF & 12900KF as my main. So lucky I didn't go 13/14th for more money last year.
Same here with my 12th gen CPU. Can't wait for 15th gen .
"Building a dream system" picks intel. That was a huge mistake.
it's a gamble with either one look at AMD bulldozer both could create a bad CPU believe me when i first got into PC, AMD was not even an option but now i run an AMD 5600x runs flawlessly was previously on sandy bridge and devil's canyon from intel and those lastest years no issue. All based on the product.
Yeah, hindsight is a sweet thing, isn't it.
Tech Jesus is the man. I bought their screwdriver and a mat to work on my PC. Wendel and Steve are awesome
When Ryzen 5000 released AMD became better than Intel at gaming and productivity. Honestly now that Zen 5 is here, and Intel’s HEDT and server chips failed to gain over AMD, Intel shouldn’t be considered for any computer anymore
I don't know man I think Intel is still optimized for so many things. I have had like the best experience of my life with i5 12600k and rtx3060. Listened to the amd hype and bought a 7600x, plus a new mainboard for it. Was extremely disappointed because I paid like 300$ for literally nothing. Sometime it performs even worse than my old build, so I just went back to my old intel, just to found out that it is in defected chip list.
I am kind of hyped for 9950x just because of intel fucked up, but to be honest from what I have seen, the amd hype is just insane and you are still basically flipping a coin everytime you choose intel or amd.
@@aa-fi9ks No, you didn't "listen to the amd hype", you impulse bought unnecessary hardware while your own was still more than up to the task. Don't downplay your own agency and lack of research, like for example looking up game benchmarks that show CPU upgrades barely affect performance.
AMD has too much latency for me personally but I do agree with what you are getting at
@@baraka629 What even is your problem ? Just wanted to upgrade my computer, amd vs intel had existed for forever so buying a amd mainboard wasn't a bad thing for me. But is it unreasonable to expect a chip that cost more than half the released price of my old chip would at least outperforming it ? Ryzen 5 7600x was marketed as the best thing ever, beating 12900 by 20%. I call it bullshit now, so is 7800x3d beating 13600, or now 9950 beating 14900.
Amd hype is everywhere, reviewers with cherry picked win, ignore frame drops, gloss over losses, trying to sell you average product with inflated price, it is not even a benchmark problems.
@@aa-fi9ks my problem is you trying to portray being an uneducated customer as somehow being... AMD's fault?? the 12600k released Q4 2021 at an MSRP of 289$, the 7600X released Q4 2022 at an MSRP of 299$. That's like buying the next year's iphone after already having gotten this year's model and being surprised they aren't much different and it was basically a waste of money. No duh. Had you asked anyone out there - "i got 600 bucks, what should i upgrade for best performance in XYZ", they most likely would have told you your CPU is perfectly fine and to put the money towards a better GPU. A 6800 xt or 3080 for example.
Support dishonest greedy corporations long enough, and you will see that greed come back to bite them and you.
Of course, but are there many alternatives! There is monopoly (only two companies that make cpus plus 3rd Qualcomm which has not x86 architecture)
what are you talking about? All the corporations are the same.. You think AMD wouldnt act the same in similar situation?
Any corporation put in intels situation would act the same. All corporations are opportunistic greedy machines and always have been, they are legally rent seeking machines.
theres no guarantee that this microcode upgrade will fix the deagradation, it will probably slow it to a point where your warranty is over and you can't RMA it. I work building computers for enterprise clients (mainly Video editing) and i had to stop building 13/14th gen Intel cause of instablity. All my clients go AMD i have not had any complaints on the performance and reliabiluty side, can't speak about gaming, but i'm sure its not really that bad.
yes it wont fix the already degraded processors for that you are going to have to go through the rma process to replace it and will only fix those processor which are still fine and havent been affected or degraded yet i have an i7 14700k which was running perfectly fine at stock settings with asus oc profile no crashes at all but i still updated my bios and have put it to intel default settings just to be safe till the mid august update patch arrives and hopefully fixes the issue with intel cpus.
@@TheOne214 yes i know that, but the microcode won't fix the fact that the I/O die was moved away in the 13/14gen processors (compared to 12gen and previous), i know it will get better, but the processors will still degrade even with the microcode fix, specially the TOP END (13900/14900-K/F/S, etc)
@@JMKarymidoN if they fix the micro code issue then no the processors wont degrade than do you even know why they are degrading its because the volts are reaching upto 1.6 volts this is because of a buggy microcode and this much volts will degrade and kill any cpu the safe limits are upto 1.4 you can go upto 1.5 but not above this because it will kill your cpu and this is what are causing high voltages so a microcode fix will hopefully resolve this issue.
@@TheOne214 that's ONE of the issues, oh boy theres more, on the chipset W680 (z690 for servers) some CPU's are still degrading, even with Undervolting, even with locked voltages (Waay lower than stocks), no etvb, no OC, never running higher than 80°c, and still degrading and failing. trust me, theres still more shit to come from 13/14gen crap.
@@TheOne214 also, just read on TechPowerUP that "Intel Will Not Recall Failing 13th and 14th Gen CPUs" the article has some great insight. f the costumers i guess?
Around June last year I decided to build my first PC after having used Pre-builts in the past. Went in with the same mindset of getting good stuff that will last for a long time. Went with Intel i9-13900K Everything worked great at the first month and no issues. Then suddenly when playing games with some friends the entire PC would just freeze and Id have to hold down the power button to turn it off. I thought It was a game issue at the time and thought nothing more of it. A couple of months pass and I notice that when loading into some games and areas in games the temps would go into extremes for a little bit and then stop. Then now in the past 3 months more random issues have come up like desktop apps crashing out of the blue. I was looking at all sorts of threads and advice but nothing seemed to be of use so I figure that maybe I have a computer virus or something but then I see someone post about these Intel issues and it all just clicked. Ordered AMD today so I can change asap cause the Intel card noticeably and quickly degrades when the issues come around.
My budget said get the 12th gen.
Dodged a bullet…..
I had the EXACT same issues you are having now. I started the RMA yesterday. Going to send it out while I am on vacation so I can be without my main rig. What a PITA!
I feel you bro. I recently splashed £2000+ to build my next PC and I got i7 14700k , after 2 weeks I discovered all the problems on internet these chips may possess. I didnt take chances and send it back to amazon in 30 days return window and got i9 12900kf and funny enough it runs cooler than the i7 14 gen. I feel your pain but once you sort this you will be fine. I feel like I dodged the bullet
Did you expect to see higher temps running less cores and threads at a lower base and boost clock at the same listed TDP :D? That is kind a funny...
@@llorrikwhat
@@foxtenz6346 Sorry, it was just the "funny enough it runs cooler", considering the i7-14700KF is 20 cores w/ 28 threads clocks max 5.60 GHz vs i9-12900KF is 16 cores w/ 24 clocks max 5.20 GHz I would expect the i9 to draw less power (and make less heat)
Interesting, Have the 12900KF also (main rig with 4090 48gb DDR5). I always thought a 14700KF/14900KF might be worth but glad I stayed. 12700KF also doing fine. Nice to hear how it runs cooler also. I've also disabled e cores on all mine find the P cores boost better and less game crashing for what I play. You did dodge a refund bullet there. It seems there are two scenarios either degradation has occurred, will need more electricity to do what it once did or it hasn't.
@@llorrik oh got it...I wasn't sure what was funny about it 🙂. I would like new Gen processors to be an improvement over old Gen but not in this case unfortunately. So my point was the i9 12 Gen runs already hot but not as hot as the new i7 14 Gen. As we all know for obvious reasons
I am so glad I dodged the Intel bullet when I upgraded 3 months back. My Ryzen 9 7950X works like a dream.
Congrats! I use the 5950X + 6900XT myself, and i'm keeping these for years to come!
Thanks for the testimony, also are you using the TLM 102? Sounds extremely bright on my end, might want to tone down the S frequency range, just found it hard to listen at times. that's all.
Thank you for the feedback! I’ll look into it
@@DaggerDaggerYTCan't you ask for a refund or a replacement? They gave you a defective product you know...
This is a great video! You deserve recompense for the hassle you endured. liked and subscribed.
F in the chat for Dagger and his Intel processor
I'm glad I bought a Pre-build with a 12900K a few months ago. I'm glad I mad the right decision!!
Some of those cpu's have issues too by the way
@@tolikowens Very small amount of 12th gen i9 have problems.. just like every other piece of hardware.
It sucks to be in this mess, and I hope your situation gets better. Lucky me, I just built my PC last month. I went with AMD, the Ryzen 5, and RTX 7900 GRE. I guess I just dodged a bullet.
I wish I had seen your video before, I'm having the same problem with an i7 14700k, the temperature suddenly goes up for no reason, causing the cooler fans to speed up and it sounds like there's a plane in my room. I can't believe this is happening, only 3 days after I bought this processor, and I haven't even had time to play, the CPU literally wouldn't go over 5% load, but out of nowhere the temperature starts going up.
In the exact same situation here, it got worse and worse and I always thought it was because DDR5 Memory was unstable until this news broke.
As someone with an i5 12600K: I am VERY disappointed with Intel. The 12 gen series was/is straight fire, and the 13th gen series was great too... until we found out about the instability and degrading issues.
Now if I want a solid CPU upgrade without having to worry about instability and degrading performance, I have to switch to the AM5 platform, which means I gotta get new RAM (I have DDR4 at the moment, and AM5 only uses DDR5), a new motherboard, along with a new CPU.
Yeah, I'm gonna hold onto my 12600K for another year or two.
The microcode update is practically useless it only drops the mv by 50
I also have an i9 13th gen and for about 6 months it was working flawlessly, then I started having regular issues like you, and more (eg: cant do a reset if i want to and must do a clean install). So yeah now we all know the problem was these 13th and 14th gen processors 😅
My 14900k sits in its box. 7800X3D last couple days and it’s a god sent processor.
A decade? That’s a fantasy. Always 3 to 4 years.
Not at all lol we’re 7 years after the 1080ti and it’s still playing new games at high settings 1080p
Will be interesting to see an update video about this topic, no matter what way things go.
I switched to AMD from my 14th Gen i9
I’m so sorry you’re going through this !!!! I have been using intel my whole life and on my third build when this all happened got a 13900ks n now scared it has these issues as well. All companies have blunders as long as they fully take care of you and all of us they can turn things around. Please update the video after you get your RMA to show us how it works out. Also if they give a new boxed chip or a refurbished.
I got lucky with my 13900kf. No issues, been a year. God speed
I've heard the problem is a few cores being boosted (in frequency and voltage) way higher than others in a few applications, and the fix was to lock all the cores in BIOS
I may have lucked out. I have a 14900K that was unstable, but after the motherboard PL1, PL2 and current limits were revised, I haven't had a single problem. I'm on the latest BIOS right now with the eTVB adjustments and I'm still good. I may have a golden sample on my hands.
Dude, I could feel your frustration through the video. Hearing someone talk about it is really different compared to just reading it on reddit or from a 3rd party report.
I used Intel cpu's for over a decade. All they did was give me issues. My 4790k which was MEANT for overclocking would always bluescreen. I switched to a Ryzen cpu and my pc's been the most stable its ever been
Wrong dreams usually turn to nightmares...
I did the same thing earlier this year. I built my dream machine! However, since I had used both Intel and AMD in the past, I went with AMD. I have also gone back and forth between Nvidia and AMD for graphics. Currently, Nvidia is over priced and under engineered. I went with the AMD 7950X3D and the 7900XTX. I got the well designed 7900XTX by XFX. It has a cast metal backplate which eliminates flex. The system has been flawless. Windows 11 on the other hand........
The microcode fix is just going to lower voltages and fix your multiplier lower, exactly as you've been doing. There is no easy fix for silicon defects. Watch buildzoid (actually hardcore overclocking channel on youtube) talking about is issue, if you have the time. The 14th gen processors have the exact same problem.
but according to intel, so take it with grain of salt, the degradation only affects early batches and manufacturing process was improved.
The instability affects all due to microcode.
I'll never forgive Intel for how they've handled this every step of the way. I have a 13900K that's been running fine since Jan '23, but I wouldn't even know about potential issues as a customer without news articles coming forth about it. They're not even pulling anything off shelves. Absolutely disgusting behavior.
If an RMA doesn't work, I'd get a 12th gen that doesn't suffer from issues and just use the rest of the system as is (there are some 13th gen "Raptor Lake" CPUs that are pretty much rebranded 12th, but you're not going to get 13900 performance out of them).. a 12900K would be much more cost effect than to swap out the entire platform.
Edit: a second hand 12900k, there's no reason to buy BNIB old-stock processors/
I have a 13700KF, and it is quite bad. I'm not going to try to get a decent replacement that's not corroding, and I am not downgrading to 12th Gen to not have these issues, rather I just bought a 7800X3D. Works like a charm.
Companies have no respect for consumers. All of them. It's because we take it. Companies used to stand behind their products. Not because they had to keep their stock market up, but they had pride in the work they did.
It's simply no longer the case. And the quality issues are leaking out more each passing year.
Right there with ya brother! Built a computer around the 13900ks chip and been having more and more problems as of lately. Waiting till they do their code update before i rma so i hopefully dont screw up that chip with their faulty code! Best of luck!
Intel 15th gen would be like: Not getting any pre orders anymore.
Only thing left to worry about is the 4090 burning out the power connector.
Also the way your GPU is mounted can damage it.
If you mount it in the standard config without a GPU support the PCIE edge connector flexes and breaks the PCB.
So you're not out of the woods yet.
there is a solution for that, amd gpus not using the joke connector
@@betag24cn AMD will cave in and support the connector as the power supply companies will want to cut down on the cables they include. NVIDIA dominance isn't something AMD can weather. They need to pick their battles and this isn't it.
@@oswaldjh i doubt that, the connector is not stabdard, is more proprietary basically, and it sucks
@@betag24cn This connector isn't proprietary as PSU companies have had these included in their products for over a year now. The PSU manufacturers want this to save money on cables ( copper is expensive ) and NVIDIA wants it because they can dictate the market trends.
This isn't the hill you want to die on AMD.
@@oswaldjh that is their problem if they want to have a tsunami of warrantioes because the pos connector likes to give problems because it was designed by no idea who and why, you can put all the arguments against it, i dont see it happening
They’re not taking care of it, they’re trying to de-rate the cpu so they’ll survive long enough to make it out of the warranty period.
If you have one of these cpus, as I do, it will never last as long as it should have, regardless of whether or not they can ‘fix’ the microcode.
Think of it like tires on your car and the microcode being the alignment. The alignment has been bad, per Intel, and your tire is worn to the radials. Fixing the alignment doesn’t put rubber and tread back on the tire. Intel is hoping you won’t notice they ruined your tire.
No, they are trying to force the CPUs to operate within design parameters and not according to what the MB manufacturers determine makes their board look better than the competition.
You busted them! 👍
Super unlucky :(
Its interesting to hear from someone first hand who is having all these issues though, thanks for sharing.
If you do end up switching to AMD with an AM5 Motherboard, it should still last you a long time at this point as you will be able to upgrade to any future generations of CPUs that support AM5, there should be at least 1 or two more generations on AM5.
I just built my own gaming pc a month ago, and luckily i went with AMD without knowing Intel have this issue
I just built my dream computer as well, 4090 and all, spent well over 4k. I can perfectly imagine what it must feel like to put that machine together after investing so much only for it to give you headache after headache. I'm so glad I got a 7800X3D instead. Been using it for about a month now, absolutely zero issues.
The age of buying top of the line PCs are behind us. Thank you for the heads-up gamer, I'm sorry this happen.
top of the line INTEL PCs*, corrected it for you
If you have a 13th or 14th gen Intel processor, its not a matter of IF it will fail but WHEN...
So glad i moved to Ryzen. My 7800X3d is an absolute gaming beast!
i was so happy i chose 11 gen over the new 14 gen beuh that price difference saved alot and money same fps no probls heres the stability for the i11700k if yall having heat issues for 5.0ghz 1.390v sa volts 410 auto everything else stability is insane i tested every value over 17 hours of work for dat boys salute!
I feel you bro.... Couple of months ago I build my dream PC, unfortunately I got 14700KF and I HOPE that it won't become a very expensive paperweight, but somehow I think it WILL xD
Soon I might need a new CPU, Motherboard and even the RAM, mine has only XMP prof. no AMD EXPO xD
The only thing I can say is:
INTEL.... You Shattered my DREAM !!! Hope your kids give you the look of disappointment :D
My i9 13900k is recently all of a sudden making every program crash frequently. Hoping to get a replacement right now but Intel's customer suupport is so bad it's crazy to navigate their site. It's as if they wanted to make it as painful as humanly possible to use your warranty.
I identified the problem being a damaged core by using a software called Lasso, after googling a bit it seems that the main problem of 13 and 14th gen intel processors draw too much power causing them to become defective within a couple years.
Greed. Pure, unadulterated, greed. That's the one thing driving every issue that's now biting Intel in the ass now. I was super excited to see how their Battlemage GPUs developed, but now I'm just frustrated. AMD makes stupid, stupid marketing decisions. Stupid pricing decisions to either encourage buying a higher SKU. Stupid last-minute things. But this? This is so, so much worse. So, so much more malicious.
Greed, is the one thing protecting them from full recall that would be a massive blow on them. Besides all corporations are founded on greed, that is their mandate, AMD isnt any different.
Providing fix that might work or not plus extending warranty avoids them billions of losses that would come if they recalled all chips.
I feel ya man. I ordered a lenovo that is coming with a 13900, but I'm going to be really careful and undervolt it right away, and waiting for the BIOS update that's coming mid-late august. I don't think I'll have any problems but if I do at least I have a 3 year on site warranty from lenovo.
My solution for BSODs were fresh installs, ram kit swaps, eventually I just went Nobara 39 then 40 recently. On 12700KF & 12900KF 4090 but that stuff gets annoying to deal with. So much time spent in the BIOS for the last year getting both machines stable.
I dodged a bullet. I upgraded to an i512600k and a 4070ti super build... Edit: Btw I wouldn't switch to AMD anyway, their products are always scarce where I live and not much cheaper. In fact some of the equivalent GPU options were more expensive.
Still rocking i7 2600k in everyday use for 12 years. Running modern games on remarkable level for its age
Apparently there's evidence of oxidation at one of Intel's fabs, on top of people noticing that the power delivery in the cpu that supplies to both the P and E cores, as well as PCI lanes is being way overworked. You are definitely way safer skipping the next couple of Intel skews that aren't on a new node. 7800x3d is a safer bet. 12900k cpus are also seemingly fine, but Zen4 is just better.
Bought my 14700k in Match 2024 which is from Nov 2023 batch and used for like 2months. Runs perfectly fine. But still scared of Oxidation Issue. Dont know if it will live long.
I have a 13700K for my office pc and it's been rock solid. I under-volted it right away because I cpu mine with the "P-cores" and do everything else with the "E-cores." My gaming rig is a 5800x3d though I play most games on my Ryzen 3600 pc in my rec room these days.
Good luck man, got a 13900K, seller ghosted me and Intel is ignoring it till everyone forgets. Saved 300 dollars but I could have bought a X670 and 7800X3D.
If you have warranty sellers should not ghost you and are obligated to help you! Call a lawyer
Whatever you do, don't get intel 13th or 14th gen. Both generations have the same issues, and 14th gen is only about 1% faster than 13th gen while costing more.
I'm avoiding Intel for the forseeable future, can't trust that company anymore
Have you considered contacting other 13th-gen and 14th-gen Intel owners to join a class-action suit?
Class actions are eh. Not worth the 5-10$ you'll get out of it.
@@DaggerDaggerYT what if the class action requires intel to reimburse customers the full amount? Any lawyer handling the case would make a huge amount of money even if they took a small percentage as their share.
That sucks to hear man. I suggest watching Frame Chasers as he may be able to help your new cpu once you get it!
I have a 13th Gen CPU. Had it for nearly two years. I play a lot of flight sims, race sims, space stuff etc and I have never even had a crash or blue screen. But my CPU is the i5-13600k and it works perfectly.
14900K has been rock solid since day one. Sorry you had a dud with your 13900K
no issues here with i9-14900k had it 6 months now using a 420 aio push/pull cooler temps at 5700mhz on all cores is 65-70C when gaming load running.
I was finally thinking about building a new PC for the first time since 2018. I started watching the old hardware channels I watched around then to get caught back up on the state of things and OH BOY. Glad I didn't decide to do this like a year or two ago.
I really wanted to ask this to one with the issue. Have you tried increasing the voltage further on your CPU? And have you tried disabling certain cores every time to see which one might have a defect?
I’m In basically the exact same boat. Thought it was ram at first so I bought a new kit, didn’t help. Then lowered the power and clocks which made it stable for about 3 months and recently it’s been back to shitting itself randomly once a night.
Intel's big mistake to only want to face AMD by increasing frequencies...
Sad to hear bro, unfortunately they are so used to being on top they had to push there processors so hard to keep up they lost sight of the consumer which put them there. I have been one who has switched to red after many many years of team blue. Good luck with the RMA and hope it works out.
I'm in the same boat right now, 13900k since may last year, was fine for about 8 months, then the bluescreens started, then the random errors, then the drivers not being able to install, weird errors etc etc.. Now i'm running it underclocked at 5.0.. fuck intel man
man that sucks, I got my 13900k on presale, and I do heavy 3d rendering for work, I haven't oc or downclocked or undervolted or anything, not even tried the micro codes or the new bios, I downloaded the last bios from asus proart, but read some threads that is unstable for some people and haven't updated it, idk if it helps for you but the settings I got, are, all on auto, and disabling all the asus crap, multicore blah blah, and the seting that says "enforce all intel limits" I don't remember where it is, but with that on, I haven't had a single bsod, right from the start it gave me some errors but it was memory issues, I got 128 gb and on of the stcks was a fifferent kind of chip than the rest, I returned the kit and got anohter one and problem solved to this day, saw you have a noctua, temperature seems to be critical, I have this on a 360 aio and a thermalright contact frame too, all since the day 1, if you get another 13 or 14 i9 I recommend you those settings and a better cooler and a contact frame 👌
Best option is for Intel to provide replacements if its a manufacturing issue
they should have done a product recall, but they kept their mouth shut for almost 3 years
anything they do from here doesnt matter
I empathise. Having problems like that with any PC, let alone an expensive one really is a nightmare. Not only because of the need to systematically swap things in and out if the source of the issue is not known but it also takes a lot of time, costs money causes a lot of stress and prevents other productive work being done. I have almost always followed a rule whereby when I build a new machine, I only use components that have been on the market for at least 18 months but are still available new. That way, if there are issues I nearly always avoid them. The only time I ever did run into issues was when I broke that rule. I am fine buying a recent or current product if it is merely a faster version of precisely the same thing sold 18 months ago but that is the limit of my rule-bending. My machines might not ever be state of the art but since anything I run on them is also mature software, the only thing I really miss out on is the very latest and greatest (which is usually under beta testing anyway). To give an example, the brand new machine I built this week is a mere B550 chipset ASUS mainboard with 5800x3D CPU and RTX4080 Super. Granted the GPU did not come onto the market 6 months ago but it is still an RTX 4 series architecture which is of course older than that.
I have a Alienware Aurora-R15 with a i9 13900k and one year later this CPU was replaced because it was busted... Now.... I'm afraid to use my computer for fear the CPU will break again....
Bad luck dude. I had problem with BSOD and crash many years ago with TLB bug Phenom AMD CPU, was a nightmare. Since then only had Intel CPU. Right now 10900k. Seems i have to go back AMD again. But its ok since i only had AMD GPU anyway. Maybe giving Nvidia a chance.
Dude, it happened to mine as well on day 1! Rog strix 4090, 13900k, z790 maximus hero, you name it, all top of the line like you. Blue screens, direct x, all kinds of shit. My games crash daily, multiple times in a matter of hours. Shaders reset after a while after a few crashes, IT HAS BEEN A FUCKED TIME. Like you, I started seeing these vids on the problem this past week. Unreal from Intel, $550 for a shit year. I found a channel, FRAMECHASERS, he says to lock the cores once you receive the RMA.
Micro code won't fix this. The problem is structural. I'm sorry, dude. I've been through the headaches of putting a pc together. Intel is terrible. I went team red with cpu and gpu.
Gonna RMA my 14900K soon. Huge waste of money. Like you I though I was going to have my dream PC, but it's more like a god damn nightmare. I had it running butter smooth for three months and now it's fucking up again, but even worse. I never even had a BSOD until very recently and now my files are becoming corrupted. And for some reason, this now happened after the latest microcode update. Now I'll have to sell my mobo too. I'm never touching Intel for the rest of my life. Going with the Ryzen 7950X3D probably. So disappointed.
Intel has a long long history of doing all sorts of shoddy things, from paid stores to only sell intel (illegally), the same with benchmarks, execute worst code for AMD in their compiler, and a long etc.