Intel 13th and 14th Gen Issues - Grand Finale
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- Story with Intel CPU issues has revealed quite fast and now there is also a resolution. Like it or not, but if you have one of the affected CPUs, and you had these symptoms of issues. Then nothing can help you.
However all new CPUs purchased will be already patched.
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Intel, pulling a Boeing.
CPU crashes are not as bad as plane crashes.
@@awdrifter3394cpu crashes can cause plane crashes so it depends on which cpus are crashing.
Sounds like they have a micro code update in August that should fix the issues, but it's not gonna help those who've already had their CPU damaged.
Ring bus is believed to be the main problem, microcode update will only delay the degradation not stop it. So even if your not experiencing the problem right now you will eventually. Also intel just made a statement in the last 24h that all 13th, 14th gen CPU’s drawing more then 65w are effected.
@@eg9574 why do you have to lie "Intel Core 13th and 14th Generation desktop processors with 65W or higher base power - including K/KF/KS and 65W non-K variants - could be affected by the elevated voltages issue. However, this does not mean that all processors listed are (or will be) impacted by the elevated voltages issue." there are plenty of people who tamed power and voltage limits as soon as they got these CPUs everyone jumping on the fear mongering bandwagon as if they want people's CPUs to fail
Right, so those will be the CPUs that get replaced. It's not rocket science.
@@s3rm0n56 if you believe intel is being 100% honest in its statement when it didn’t let ANYONE including its own partners know about its oxidisation issues last year, it let nvidia originally take the blame for its cpus crashing until nvidia made a statement, then it let the mobo manufacturers take the blame for there bios settings(even tho its intel’s responsibility to set guidelines) and it ONLY made this statement after being pressured by game developers and distributors making it know via leaking to the media…. IF you still believe them then you deserve their cpus. There is plenty of people who know a lot more then me saying what I’m saying about this being a much larger issue then just micro-coding. I have 13900 sorry just trying to help not shit on ppl as I know how much these pos cost.
@@eg9574 I'm going off my experience as a 14900k owner that voltages and power limits have been out of control on every bios update until July and yes I have been frustrated by Intel's lack of acknowledgment and public statement, but from day 1 of purchasing my CPU I have kept voltages and power limits in check so I'm kind of expecting not to experience these issues because in six months I haven't had a single crash or problem.
last standing is the 12900k
I guess those of us who don't have the means nor the inclination to switch motherboard/socket should be looking into one of those before they become the subject of market speculation...
@@j_shelby_damnwird 12th 13th 14th gen use the same motherboard and socket. I recently ordered the 12gen i9. (12900k) It's practically a 13700k without the failure issues.
@@onyx8231 I almost did that too for the same reason but I couldn’t bring myself to get an old chip on a dead socket. I decided to just go AMD and if I need quick sync I’ll pick up an intel gpu at some point.
Here chillin' with a fully stock 5800x3d
No in this world. Getting an old chip on a dead platform? I am going with AMD no matter what. I just regret it like 2 years ago going with LGA 1700. And now I won't make the same mistake again. I advised 3 friends who needed help to go with AM5 and another friend on a budget just gone with am4 + a X3D chip. Despite it being a dead platform also.
I have been guiding others to what I can't possess.
I bought an i9-14900K last December, after a couple of weeks my processor started crashing games so I lowered its ration, which helped for a couple of months, but the last week was crazy, apps crashed, system crashed and finally my computer died last Thursday, even the system couldn't boot. I sent everything to intel and so far, no response. I bought a new (i9-12900K) processor to get it working, but this is insane.
sameee. now im waiting for my last thursday. im using on lowered ration right now.
Damn...
@@sinemulukaya9516 would they send it or what? You wait without sending it back?
For the record amd 9000 series will be out early august.
Yeah well, just remember the whole TPM stutter debacle with AMD… nothing is guaranteed and new tech is always a risk.
I hope 🤞 Intel users can get their money back, this is messed up
i hope not
a replacement costs Intel $36 at variable cost and $60 at marg9inal cost over the full run + admin and handling is the way it works. mb
I bought the 14900K, I assure you Intel is in no hurry to pay back anyone, that's why I switched to AMD Ryzen.
@@iLegionaire3755 He’ll yea, did you get a really nice X670E motherboard? I’m curious
i have 14900kf. it crashed for days i thought i was another system problem. i lowered the ration, it suddenly stop crashing. now wtf im gonna do with this. it was a expensive thing to buy for me. never gonna buy intel again, neveeer.
The fact that this is their response to this issue makes me never wanna buy an intel product again.
Go ahead.
@@spitfirelast8761 will do bro
@@spitfirelast8761 However i just found out they are extending the warranties so thats good
they are not paying me tho
I'm just curious to see the performance impact of this "microcode update".
Nice 30% hit
@@kandrotas22 I think the better phrasing is up to 30%.
If they use Buildzoid’s VID clamping technique then the negative effects will be silicon lottery dependent. Of course it looks like Intel up binned a lot of i7s into i9s so a lot of chips might get a big nerf.
Intel Default Profile for Raptor Lake? Yeah that was mediocre abysmal trash. 30% decrease in overall snappiness and performance, games still crashed and blue screens still happened so often to my 14900K, I said fuck it and overclocked again. Having to switch voltages and tweak the BIOS daily just for BSOD after BSOD from Intel. Horrible nightmare!
AMD Ryzen? 4K 144 FPS stable plug and play straight out of the box!
And, that's the key! Seems like Intel isn't guaranteeing the microcode update will fix anything. I want to build a new machine soon, and it looks very much like i'll be building an AMD-based system.
I have a 13700k. I used to get exactly 30k in cinebench multithread. After the 3701 update (Asus z690) it's down to 29,200
i bought my i9 13900K in january 2023 and it start crashing and BSOD in october 2023.Then i under volt the CPU and now is stable but i lost some
performance by doing that.I reach to the seller where i bought the CPU and they can't tell me what can i do about the situation.Warranty is until 2026.
no one is speaking about specific cpu which caused this errors because i am using intel i9 13900k i have faced a lot of bsod before but not every day i have made temperature control limit on bios now it is not creating any issues , i agree what your telling but controlled over clocking issue but exteneded supported clocking limit will not cause any such issues , this issue is coming from few cpu not on all cpu's
If AMD also F** up next we have no alternative as PC gamer lol
Used chips.
You don't even need the most recent CPUs to game.
@@DingleBerryschnapps yeah you're right 😁
AMD 9000 is not pushed forward to 2025 but only a few weeks
@@6XCcustomi have 7800x3d no need
move to arm, or play in a smartphone
7800X3D and AMD Ryzen user here, I switched to Team Red from Team Blue (highly probable for good) for every reason you outlined in this video. My 14900K experience was AWFUL.
I have a 13700F and can't adjust much in the BIOS, I've turned off Intel Turbo Boost and went from 1.37v (highest) to 0.85v (highest) with little effect on performance; should I be concerned?
I am not facing any issues thankfully, I just need to know if a lot of this is just fearmongering/overblown or if it's a legit concern for non-K chips - I know Intel stated it can be any 13th/14th gen, but the Warframe devs' graph mostly showed i9's and K variants
Really don't know what to do right now
My new prebuilt PC is coming tomorrow. I'm not versed on computers, so I'm only learning about this now. I guess I should probably not use it until the update is pushed. Damn I was so ready to jump right in and start gaming
What's the cpu exactly on that?
@@phasmidd107 intel core i9 14900KF with a pro z790 wifi motherboard
I see a lot of i7 and i9 13-14th gen, but what about i5 14600kf ? I bought it not long ago and I haven't used it yet, I'm hesitant to sell it to switch to AMD but I don't know what to do. I don't know if the microcode update has fixed the problem
I came from a bclk overclocked 12400f so I had no idea of the fancy v/f table when I switched to the 14700k on that same b660. But it ran so damn hot out of the box that I immediately set a limit to the max vid requestable to like 1.45, a number I was used to from the 12400f, and after I've read about undervolting by loadline calibration I also did that. I have never had any issues with that cpu, but that was pure luck. It shouldn't be us figuring out how to run these cpus, it should have been Intel in the past
Intel figured how to run it: does not matter If smoke comes out as long as it appears we beat amd.
Hello I have the same CPU what all did you do to bring down the heat??
@@xplay6oysavageI think it is the result of many small changes, but the heavy lifting came from changing the load line calibration to 0.4 ac and 1.1 dc.
When ever I buy intel CPU's... I always buy the lower wattage versions and non K series chips. I did buy an i7-12700k only because it was on sale at the time for $245.00USD. In the BIOS I set it as a boxed cooler so it uses less power and runs cooler, but it's still fast.
Thank god Im one of the lucky ones. 0 issues with a 13900k so far. 5.5-6.0 P cores and 4.6 E cores at 1.38-1.44v
Since when you're using it?
3:35
Fyi, people that adjusted those settings from day one aren't having issues with their chips. So if it was happening to people continuously the chips were probably beyond saving.
But how would ppl have known to do that. Many gamers buy their PCs assuming all.is good. There was no dialogue from INTEL on what to do.
Yup. I always used Enforce Limits. Never gone over 90 degrees in Cinebench.
I chose Intel when AMD4 were exploding on the motherboards (remember?), buying a much cheaper i5 13600k on a Z690itx and DDR4.
I had to change the MB, which kicked the bucket 2 weeks ago, just before the intell crap hit the fan.
Now I'm stuck with a B760itx, new DDR5 (intel attuned), and my old 13600k that, so far, performs remarkably well.
What I can attests, between the old Z690 and the new B760 (RoG), is how insane the settings of the new one were out of the box, compared to the intended setting for an intel processor. I had to tweak and try the Bios for 3 days before obtaining decent temperatures and a processor not constantly thermal throttling (despite a quite beefy watercooler!).
I assume most people who never check their PC stats have been unknowlingly feeding insane voltages to their PC, and this brought to the very high rate of failures in recent times. Not everyone is (or has to be) a technician to run a PC.
All I can do now is wait for the new microcode to release and upgrade the Bios of my motherboard that I haven't updated yet, as I finally managed to put everything stable and comfortable.
I would be curious to hear about CPU failure rate between Z690 and Z790 MB on average to see how responsible the MB manufacturers are about CPU degradation.
That was problem with overshooting mostly vsoc/vcore voltage, its 50/50 problem by motherboard (not by all motherboard venders but some) and by amd themseles, with asus rog motherboards there was problem where someone at asus, you enable expo and vsoc voltage shot up to 1.35v instead of 1.25v and also rog motherboards not reporting right vddio voltage that resulted in bsods and crashes. But that was pretty much when platform was brand new and when they switched to DDR5, Asus even had completely wrong names of AMD cpus in bios. After that there was bios rollouts that fixed all the shit and those cpus that die (and there was not alot of them) were replaced by AMD (with or without expo). And after this fiasco, Asus went into chaos mode and literally ruined their reputation together with warraty problems and etc.. (I mean they were always overpriced but people do have money so...).
even AMD is not so good
At least amd did not screwes their customers and gave them new pc's...
I am team red and blue, intel I7 12700k in my desktop and Ryzen 7 8845hs in my laptop 🤩
Fair enough 😀
Number 13 and 14 are always bad luck. I don't know why they continued with these numbers.
I hope they would just replace it or refund, no questions asked. I don't want to send it back before I get a new one. MSI released x125 microcode patch to every raptor lake motherboards, some gaming motherboards have x129 patch already but for example z790 pro wifi will come in the next few weeks. I claimed RMA for my i7 14700KF and we will see what they would do. Actually I had instability at first months, especially with Hitman 3, but not recently.. I still think it's damaged and faulty, never the less power consumption is enormous and temperatures are quite high even on top efficiency AIO.
Hey man quick question is ryzen 5 7000 series good for gaming in highest settings i think buying i5 with 13gen HX is not a really great idea at the moment
Just bought a Ryzen 7 7700 for a smaller workstation/gaming pc. I feel like I dodged a bullet.
I've had two crashes so far. Nice one, Intel.
I have been on intel consistently since Core 2 Duo. This 13900k will be my last Intel CPU.
same like me, my 14700k suddenly restarted every one or two hours at 5ghz!! i assume maybe was a motherboard issue but i dont know, now i have a 7800x3d
no one is speaking about specific cpu which caused this errors because i am using intel i9 13900k i have faced a lot of bsod before but not every day i have made temperature control limit on bios now it is not creating any issues , i agree what your telling but controlled over clocking issue but exteneded supported clocking limit will not cause any such issues , this issue is coming from few cpu not on all cpu's
had a ryzen 4900x. upgraded to a 13900k. now im like.... sigh
Is it really Intel 13 and 14 gen problems or is it(generally speaking) a problem with Intel 13 and 14 gen overclocked cpu's?
I have a i5 14400 and its rock solid with very low voltages.
Not only oc. Happens even with boring&reliable server motherboards that do not even support oc.
@@anttikangasvieri1361 its not OC but elevated voltages which happens when not ocing at all.
@@tmsphere frequency rarely kills cpus, voltage does.
As far I can tell it's only i7 and i9 and the K versions, the cpu's that can be overclocked! I can be wrong thought but didn't see anything pointing to other types KS, F and the KF (Thought KF is basically the same as the K without integrated graphincs)
I tried reinstalling my NVIDIA drivers(someone mentioned the installation could trigger the problem) and ran Cinebench many times and nothing.
Smells lika another class action lawsuit
Amd 9000 was only pushed back 2 weeks
Call intel and ask for an exchange for your 13-14th gen CPU and they should do it with no problems. I’m using a 11th gen i5 11600k and it was acting up so I called intel and they sent me a new replacement CPU and come to find out it wasn’t the CPU that was acting up it was something in windows settings I don’t remember what it was but my point is that they didn’t give me a hard time with exchanging the CPU so no worries when you get the patch call intel and get your replacement CPU and send back the bad one.
Oh my... I was almost in a process to build and buy a new PC with i5 13th gen... then the guy informed me about this issue and now here I am confused :(
1) Is the patch now ready or not? umm
2) I'm about to switch to AMD although I always been an "intel"
What's your thought about a system like this? It's pre built and ready
ARMOURY Gaming PC AMD Ryzen 7 7700, GeForce RTX 4060, 32GB DDR5, 1TB NVMe SSD, Wi-Fi 6, Mobo A620M-PLUS WIFI
AMD 9000 is not pushed forward to 2025 but only a few weeks
My biggest question is will the microcode update in august fix the degradation issue or will it just blunt it? I'm looking to upgrade my old workhorse from 2015 which uses a 4790k during the end of this year. I was seriously looking at the i7 14700KF as my replacement until this bomb shell happened. If the micro code fixes the degradation problem completely and stop the bsod and crashes I might still go with 14700KF because i really want that 20 cores since I do solid-works simulation a lot besides gaming. But if it just blunts the problem and the raptor lake is still just perpetually degrades I think I will just get the Ryzen 7900x3d. Sucks that it's only 12 cores but at least it's stable.
7950X3D is 16core
go for amd
best side effect that microcode can do is decrease the speed
It should solve it, dropping performance a bit
I have an Asus Z790 Hero motherboard with an Intel 13900K processor. After applying Intel's recommended BIOS updates, virtual machines on VMware became almost unusable. Everything moves extremely jerkily. Also in multithreading, performance dropped by 11%. Intel no longer exists for me.
Looks like AMD 5000 and 7000 has higher failure rates than Intel 13th and 14th Gen...
my cpu is affected and idk what to do, it crashed 60 times in the past 3 days...
My seller confirmed today I have an issue with my 13900K due to higher voltage (apps constantly crashing). CPU is under warranty and will be replaced.
Those are good news for you :)
@@techhub-tv I hope so, because we also wait for Intel to confirm the issue and give us a replacement CPU (that process can last up to 10 days). I bought my PC in November 2022, and first crashes started somewhere in February this year. So, not even year and a half of use. In server environment I guess these CPUs can last only few months. That is why I hope this microcode really solves this issue.
have always bought intel cpus - last one was 9th gen i9, also have a 7th gen i9 - never had any issues - i like the i9's with inbuilt gpu's for playing with cuda
but now looking to get a new top-end pc and having heard of what Intel have done and not done when it comes to 13th and 14th gen, i really do not know if i can trust them on the 15th gen - amd is far from perfect, but thats nothing to what intel have done
i was waiting for the 5090's to come out along with the 15th gen, but now will wait to see what the new amd 9950x3d can do - from all reports the 9950x3d is a beast and has MT with almost no cost to performance (around 2% to overall system performance and a little more wattage) - form reports it seems to be in the same ball-park as the current 14th gen intel cpu's
its a shame intel have been so poor at taking ownership of these issues - would have had more respect if they had come clean much, much sooner and come up with a plan to response positively - its just too much of a risk to spend so much money on a new 15th gen and then have it fail a few years later
i do not think intel realises the damage they have done to their brand and reputation
my 7th gen (128GB ram + 2 * 1080Ti) and 9th gen (64GB ram + 2080Ti) i9's are still running fine - can i still expect that with the new top-end 15th gen?? i know the new 15th gen will come with more features (NPU, *) but will it last as long as my other computers - which i do hammer for both work and gaming
Just upgraded my computer yesterday - I7-14700KF new build kept crashing - 12 hours later here i am :( - Have i been scammed by Intel ? why are they still selling the product? why did i not research this chip like i did on every part when i was in my 20s???
because Intel always worked flawlessy till now
You said Ryzen 9000 is delayed until 2025, they were delayed by 2 weeks so mid August.
It is also with laptop CPU😢
Will this be my first time having an amd system? Perhaps. I mean, I was literally about to upgrade my stuff to a 4080 build. Now I need to completely change my plans 😑
I have a 13900KS and a 14900KS. Both chips are working fine with new microcode update.
What microcode update? The update ain't out yet.
@@timetraveler_0 They just came out with an update with a new Micro code less than two weeks ago. I installed it on my Asus Z790 Apex. New Bios for my board is 2401. There is supposed to be another one coming which they said would be the final fix for instability issues. But this Update 2401 has a new Microcode. I don’t know what board you have, but for Asus it’s 2401.
@@papasmurf5598hmmm i have ASUS z790 maximums Hero but i saw they released new bios update 2401 i have still 2301 was wondering what changes you actually got? Asking because i have set wattage limits and amp limits and set my cpus all cores on 5600 and 4400 and adaptive voltage 0.100 and havent had crashes since 2024 march when i built this PC was wondering is it even worth going for these so called fixes as someone mentioned under other video that after lates bios update they werent able to set low voltages manualy anymore. And to ve honest i never got any crashes besides when i was adjusting ram speed and voltages to find the stable one…my only issue was cpu going 100C on cinebench while stock so i tweaked cpu and now it never goes past 75C in most games it doesnt go abov 55C and still i could hit 39700 score on cine… This situation is very confusing because i thought it was only overheating issues so yeah i wonder should i go for a fix when there is nothing to fix right now
So I haven’t used my pc since June, because I moved so it’s been sitting in a box but I do have a i9-13900k. Never had instability issues before. Should I just switch the cpu out orrr??? Should I be worried
Fixed one problem, creates another. 😂
I got an i5 14400f for my new pc 2 weeks ago, is there a chance it will be affected by this problem too?
yes, any processor that is 65watts, may be impacted, kindly update the bios of motherboard, check motherboard bios website, as some asus, msi, have released a new bios in july
I would undervolt It a bit to be safe
ryzen 9000 delayed till 2025????? i saw some info that it will come much sooner like august 8th to 15th. the delay was due to a typo error.
It's too late. Bad silicon , oxidation, bus ring degradation.
please guide me what to fo with intel 14th gen hx series processors like 14900hx???
If you had some issues then reach to support
No more Intel in the future,Switching to AMD.Havent had any issues with my i7 13700KF but because its a 13th gen I'm probably going to build a Ryzen 9 PC just so I can fully trust my PC.
even in amd also issues comes lol for example over heating issues
i5 13600kf also includes this Intel bug, should I update the BIOS?
Does this also effect the mobile cpu as well? I am planning to buy a laptop which contains a i7-13620H which has lower max clock speed of 4.9 Ghz and base power of 45W and 115W max.I have heard that HX chips are failling as they are unlocked chips and closer to the desktop cpu. So any explaination will be appreciated.
There are reports of 13th and 14th gen mobiles affected, so I would definitely avoid them to be on the safe side. Look at Ryzen or Meteor Lake. But I would be cautious with Meteor Lake since Intel has set the max temperature on those at 110 degrees Celsius which is insane, and possibly may indicate that they are also pushing it way beyond the safe point.
i run a 13980HX -200mv core -50mv on cache 175W PL1/2 using LM as the paste getting 35K on R23
i did prime 95 small ffts stress test for 1 week straight 0 crashes or whea errors
ive ran multiple severs for my friend's while playing at the same time 0 crashes
@@abaj006 the thing is Ryzen laptops aren’t popular in my country so the only choice I’ve got is intel
@@thereallumbago7300then.. you get one, unbox it, immediately go in to the BIOS, change the appropriate settings, reboot, and never worry about it.
Good note here: I'm unsure mobiles are affected by the bending issue that desktops still need a contact frame for.
run decompression/compression benchmarks
I bought an omen gaming laptop last year. Am I affected by this?
I purchased a 13900K in November, 2022. After 5 months or so, it started having the classic issues of a failing chip. Intel replaced it last month. At the same time, I went to Micro Center and bought an AMD 7950X3D, Asus X670E Proart Creator motherboard, Crucial T705 2TB NVME and a set of 2X32GB 6000MT/s Corsair Dominator Titanium RAM. I plan on selling the 13900K and the various motherboards I purchased when I didn't know what the problem was. I would rather Intel give me a full refund instead of recalling the chip since I don't plan on going back to an Intel system anytime soon.
If you sell on Ebay let us know your username so we don't buy it.
@@pdrey100 It's a brand new replacement from Intel, with the latest microcode already installed (x0125). The defective 13900K was sent back to Intel.
@@BSD2000 But we don't know if the replacement has issues as well....yet.
@@pdrey100 True. I tested the replacement 13900K, verified that it had the new microcode, then boxed it back up. After going through almost two years of hell with my original 13900K, I was done with Intel and switched to AMD. So far, my 7950X3D is everything my 13900K was supposed to be - responsive and trouble free and I couldn't be happier. When the 9950X3D is released I'll swap out my 7950X3D and upgrade.
Funny thing is, there are Intel 'fanboys' that will jump at the chance to buy a 13900K, no matter what the condition.
Oxidation in the substrate associated with voltage and current
I got no clue wich gen etc i have but only things ive noticed is war thunder running with heavy stutters and my browser sometimes being slow (reboot fixes browser but not war thunder)
Computers are outdated when you buy them
I'm wallet team. Bur not gonna lie. I've been using a 3950x and I like how optimized the energy consumption it has. I no longer use it cause I gave it to my bro. I was keeping an eye to the intel i9 while waiting for the 9950x from AMD. It still uses less energy than their intel counterpart.
It's sad to see how intel F this time. I think I'll go with AMD next year. The downside of AMD is the bugs with bios and ram issues and usually random bugs with windows. Is what I experienced with my 3950x till It got stable after about half a year or a bit more. So, having to deal with those things on AMD. Kinda bugs me a bit but it does seem nothing to what intel has right now.
Difficult times to buy a processor now.
7000 AMD series is just red flag atm
I've been using I9 13th gen for almost two years, and I9 14th gen since nov last year. So far, I've never experience overheat or crashing, so I'm lucky? 😂
Anyone knows if this affects server CPU as well? Intel xeon silver
13600k/14600k is awesome. let the haters hate.
How about us owning an i3 13th and 14th gen, does these cpu's have issues as well or this is just a high end thing?
All CPUs having at least 65w
I have a i9 13900K and it has issues. I submitted an RMA and plainly speaking i need a CPU replacement. I spent a tonne of cash on this machine in December 2022 and although the option to change to AMD Zen is present i don't have another tonne of money to spend on yet another machine. FC*N Intel i supported them for years as i have a i7 2600 and a i7 6850 that run with no issues. Never again. They better "Make This Right" as currently their are a lot of companies and end-consumers that are ticked. It feels like they are brushing this under the carpet and awaiting for the release of Gen 15 in the hopes that people forget and they can move on.
no one is speaking about specific cpu which caused this errors because i am using intel i9 13900k i have faced a lot of bsod before but not every day i have made temperature control limit on bios now it is not creating any issues , i agree what your telling but controlled over clocking issue but exteneded supported clocking limit will not cause any such issues , this issue is coming from few cpu not on all cpu's
you dont know how to handle it lol
Core i 13 and 14 gen with degradation problems, Core Ultra a major flop, Ryzen 9000 another flop. x86/64 CISC reached it's limits in lithography, energy efficiency and performance. Let's face it. Or Intel and AMD reengineers everything from the ground or it's a deadend for the companies. RISC is superior, always was.
People who bought the Raptor Lake i7s and the Alder Lake i9s made the best decision of their life
True winners are the 11th Gen and older owners who still have a monolithic cpu. Intel's chiplet design is flawed.
@@GameArmorGameplay Actually I do use a Dell XPS 9510, it has an i9-11900H and I can upgrade it up to 128GB of RAM if I want to. It is on the new 10nm process too. Looks like I made the right choice
I just bought a 14700K. It is so much nicer than my 7800x3D. Just finished tuning it and i do 5.5ghz without exceeding 1.35v
@@khensationalReviews I mean, I guess you loose out on gaming performance. Hopefully Bartlett Lake-S comes out for LGA 1700, or else you'll be stuck on a dead socket
How it is nicer?
My Asus ROG Strix z790 E Gaming with i9 13900K is stable with the 1801 Bios.. I Had to roll back after updating to 2402, it became unstable^^
no one is speaking about specific cpu which caused this errors because i am using intel i9 13900k i have faced a lot of bsod before but not every day i have made temperature control limit on bios now it is not creating any issues , i agree what your telling but controlled over clocking issue but exteneded supported clocking limit will not cause any such issues , this issue is coming from few cpu not on all cpu's
There wont be enough cpu's in existence to replace them all , surly?
the problem happebs on servers too, they are in trouble
@@betag24cn From what I know servers usually don't use i3/5/7/9 processors. These are consumer class processors. Servers usually use Xeon series.
So shoould I return it?
11900k, AVX512
Does this issue exit with Laptops?
Are mobile cpu´s prone to this? I have a I7-13700H.
better safe than sorry,
dont overclock it
I have a i7 14700f and haven't witnessed any issues really. I got it mid June, is it likely it will have issues?
Most likely i9 but lately have been appearing issues with processors of 60W. So I'd play safe here and do as the instructions needed to play it safe and sound
@@Helios.vfx. I saw a message on a forum from someone from intel and apparently it doesn't affect non k variants not sure if this is true though.
@@mushypotato4964 that's what it was in theory but looks like other lower tiers are kinda sus at the moment. can't remember the source, but don't take my word for it. In best case I misread it. Let's hope that's the case
@@Helios.vfx. I heard recent cpus manufactured have been fixed is this true and also how recent?
@@mushypotato4964 like the newer batch they've released. But honestly, they could say anything. What if they're F already. We would never know. Also how do we know the ones we are getting are those new batches ? Is a risk you take. I'd personally wait for AMD. I like intel, bit I don't like the e and p cores thing. Not at all. I want my cores fully complete.
But that's just me. Maybe there's a way to figure out by some code production in the box that'd lets us kow. I suggest you ask about it on Reddit there are gonna be people whov.ight now the answer to this
Is it necessary to update BIOS for cpu 13600kf i5 to solve this bug problem of 13th and 14th generation processors?
i wanted to know is this issue overhyped or is it really that bad??
When it is bad it is very bad but when you are not affected by the issue it is not bad at all. It is all fine then
😂 good explention. i build my GF a 13600K system told her, you cant go wrong with Intel. guess what i was very wrong lol. i undervolted her pc from beginning we have to see
@@nivea878silicon lottery just got lot more serious...
Intel is paying off MSM to make sure there is very little information out there, even not revealing the batch numbers of the oxidation problems. We will never know , one thing I do know, its a fundamental flaw so the failure rate in 3 years will be 100%, lucky for Intel the warranty is only 2 .
@@nivea878as long as you changed the appropriate settings immediately and use a contact frame for mounting the CPU, you'll be fine.
I do not game. Should I worry?
the problem happens on the cpu out of the box, no need to play games, because intel doesnt know what is doing, motherboard manufacturers are in the same boat
if you have one, you are included, this crap is for almost all 14th and 13th gen cpus
just switch to amd this dog intel will die just like kanon camera
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help me decide what to buy within this month i7 12700 or i5 13500 i used it for video editing no gaming. they have the same price here in ph I am afraid with 13th 14th gen issue i dont have peace of mind
Sell your intel mobo, buy a amd mobo drop in a new 9000 cpu out in the next few weeks. It will out perform intel most of the time in productivity, cost the same or less, have a longer lifespan for future upgrades on the socket, and best of all you won’t have to worry about 300w cooking your cpu or crashes.🫡✌️
@@eg9574 is i5 12700 good alternate for i5 13500? I return my i5 13500 this week because of blue screen whea uncorrectable error and i try to reinstall windows even reinstall the bluescreen i like intel because of its optimation for premiere pro im not a gamer i just used it for video editing.,
@@eg9574 is it good for video editing? and how much it cost?
@@josephreybaura7378 if I was you get a ryzen 9 7900x or the 9900x equivalent coming out this month they are predicted to charge about the same for the new 9000, cost for the 7900x here is $390, get a b650e or x670e board. Call it a day. And best thing is your mobo will support their lates cpus until at least 2027 so if you want to upgrade in the future you don’t have to change anything. And yes better then a 12th gen intel equivalent.
I pity the fools who still buying intel to this date.
This garbage has been going on since Pentium 4 and GeForce FX. People just want to buy name brand regardless if that choice is intelligent, and now that is having consequences with bad chips and lack of vram. Not my problem, but this is no longer funny. PCMR also started as a joke, then people took it serious like they are some master race with all the behavior associated with that. At this point, I think the sane people need to stop being silent and tell the fanboys their toxic behavior is hurting the entire ecosystem, not just themselves. I think AMD makes fine products, but the AMD fanboys also covered for AMD not releasing BIOS updates for Zen3 x300 am4 and lying about it even after AMD back-pedaled. Then AMD sold x570 with sleeve bearing chipset fans, and had USB issues. Seriously, everyone needs to stop covering for this nonsense. Lisa Su even made a statement thanking fanboys for covering it up, generally speaking. Plus there was the whole massively price gouged motherboard prices, then motherboards removed SATA ports and PCIe slots as well. My old x370 had more functionality than any modern board, and now ASRock makes the best price/$ hardware, while Asus makes overpriced defective garbage. How did Asus get there? Customers let them. Customers let all of this happen because they buy on name recognition over quality and pretend they made a smart decision. No, you are supposed to read reviews before buying, and there is no trophy for buying a brand name outside of a dunce cap. Everyone blindly buying a name brand is an idiot, moreso if the price is gouged. It's not a flex, nobody should be flexing any purchase of overpriced garbage, that's cringe stupidity flexing, and the companies screw you because they know and you deserve it. Stop being a sucker, and companies will stop treating you like a sucker.
@@JohnDoe-ip3oq There is nothing new under the sun, the youngsters are just over reacting as always....there will always be issues in every brand.
AMD AMD AMD AMD
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 even in amd issue will comes lol for example over heating issue
@@balajisharathkumar9753 AMD had this similar issue before, the only difference is they recalled. They care. Everything tech has a tendency to have issue the only thing that will make difference is how these companies take care about their customer. BRUH! If you know, you know.
And just to add i9 14th gen was so notorious for its heating issue. Just so you know!