"A lot of people want success, and success is getting what you want. And happiness is wanting what you get. That's gratitude. Practice both. Don't just practice the getting what you want. Because that's a never ending mountain of more. And you'll never get to the top of that mountain. You want to master both. But if you could pick one, it should really be wanting what you get." Great way to end the Pod 👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾
Not sure why my eyes welled up with tears when thinking about Burt.... Something so touching and honorable about folks who live just for life and dont chase the bag like the rest of us.
3:05 - Still disagree. Most work is still primarily grunt work. Most work isn't creative, even if you're in a literal creative industry. Everything from graphic design, to programming, to filmmaking and songwriting. You sketch a rough design to start, plan the algorithm, build a storyboard, and write the lyrics and music beforehand. That's the high skilled creative work but many many people can do these things reasonably well. The reason that top artists and programmers and designers get paid well is because of their dedication to the rote aspect of the task on top of their creative ability. Drawing and coloring, typing code, organizing a sets construction, and recording a song. You could hypothetically delegate some of the rote work to lower skilled workers but the work still needs to be done and increasing the number of people drastically increases the probability of miscommunications and slow downs so much that large companies routinely fail because of it. Our generations pre-1940ish worked 10+ hours per day, 6-7 days per week, 52 weeks per year, for their whole lives until they died. Due to increases in productivity we can now afford to work less. But the idea that rote work is no longer necessary for the majority of workers ignores practically everything about the reality of producing output. If you ask any writer(novel, news, or screenplay) or most programmers the key is to show up everyday and grind it out even when it's not super fun or inspirational. That's most of the job.
Do you work in a creative field? Because I do (i.e., software/programming) and I completely agree with what he said there. Humans evolved doing physical work, so the work done during the industrial age (i.e., when the work schedule was established) was easier to stomach. Humans did not evolve to stare at screens, re-factor/debug old code, and write new code for 8 hours a day non-stop which is why burnout in the tech field is so common. Also, even grunt work requires mental capital. Maybe it's different in filmmaking and songwriting, but with hardcore technical fields what he said there was spot on in my opinion.
@@gokublack4832 Perhaps I've miscommunicated a bit, so I apologize for that. My comment is mostly in response to the tweet at 0:41. Basically that a work week, as a general concept, is not against our nature. Some/most people(very understandably) just don't like work, and think because it's difficult that we're not mean to do it. However, none of that changes the fact that work is definitely in our nature. Then there's also the bit that came *after* I said "the idea that rote work is no longer necessary... ignores everything about... Producing output". That last paragraph is the only portion that was meant primarily in response to Shaan. His claim was approximately that most of the productivity happens in a condensed window, "there's an hour of the day that is more productive than all the rest combined". Which I 100% agree with. The point of my response to Shaan is that, having also personally worked as a creative in a hand full of roles, noone gets to that hour of peak productivity without spending many many many many hours grinding away at it. I'm willing to admit that there may be some better ways out there. However, it has always seemed to me that this golden hour of productivity rarely comes at beginning, and is almost invariably at the middle/end of some long day(sometimes weeks) of just banging your head against the same problem over and over again. And I've yet to see anyone get to the golden hour without putting in a lot of seemingly pointless work prior. I'm not opposed to the idea of a more fluid/ad-hoc work day where the schedule is structured less strictly, but the idea that similar productivity will come without some consistent and grueling scheduled work period seems to be out of line with reason and experience. Did I respond to your idea or was I just stoking my own fire here? Edit: Typos *P.S.* Also, I'm not one of these people that necessarily believes that everyone of our grandparents and great grandparents were so much tougher than us. But I do believe there is some sort of generational relationship with burnout. Modern day farm and trade workers are considerably more likely to burn out than our grandparents were. It's possibly a survival thing. If we're farmers in 1905 and we stop working, our families starve and wither when winter comes. Today, if we quit or are fired from a manual Labor or trade job we're entitled to unemployment, a severance package, and workers comp in some cases. Will someone be comfortable on entitlements? *ABSOLUTELY NOT*, quite the opposite. But (without accounting for savings) you'd have enough resources to continue to exist and many people are okay with that. Thus injury claims in these fields are several times higher today than a century ago despite the work being several times safer and easier. It would stand to reason that higher earning jobs with even less of immediate survival incentive, such as in creative fields, would be more likely to burnout. I don't know that the nature of the work has anything to do with it?. Edit: Postscript added
it'll be interesting to get people like jim hayle, to get their view of life, like what philosophy do they live by, does money not matter at all to them, or do they just earn enough to survive, what are their hardships like in life. very rarely do we come across people like them.
Shawn, look into the oilfield and blue collar workers on huge construction projects. It's exactly what you described for Chinese workers. They travel to far away projects away from family and live a slavish existence. Many millions of electricians welders and other trades live that way. Love the show.
Yea I was thinking about that idea. One day you wake up look at your phone and there will be missions you can do. This work will be gamified and you will be compensated. The rules get sent to you and you can choose to do the same missions or unlock new ones with increased skill
"We shouldn't be so fearful of shark attacks because statistically it is so rare." Or shark attacks occurs rarely because we're paranoid about being attacked by sharks
love your podcast guys! I would love for you to talk about how people in different countries connect with opportunities around the world. Like how can someone in UAE work from Dubai and build opportunities in the US or Europe?
I love your podcast guys. Just chiming in though to day that I don't think comparing blue collar workers in China with tech workers in America is an apt comparison.
You've definitely got this comment before but, this is the first time I'm watching this and I really thought your voices were the other way round 🤣 that's completely messed with my head
I think if you are an entrepreneur, 60-80 is more like a minimum. If you want more, you should work more to achieve it. Work weeks can often exceed 100 hrs/wk when starting a business
@@shaanpuri5111 hahahaha I did this ironically but since I got you here, how can I help you and Sam develop a tokenized club that you spoke of, combine that with the idea Sam had to turn trends into a startup investment community, a AngelList type club with tokenized membership
This dude's talking about some sort of primal instinct nonsense. That rattlesnake was a pretty crystal clear sight that you should actually be in the present moment with your daughter collecting these memories. You know, instead of focusing on some section of the invisible collective that is the world wide web. Preaches about losing the old ways when the fact is, they aren't being lost. You are CHOOSING not to pass down the ways of old, i.e basic human connection. So stuck on some web page that an animal in the real world almost severed your father-daughter bond permanently. And then had the nerve to have sympathy for the snake. I get you, peace and love and all that. But it's my property, and it's my child. If it really comes down to it, I'll put a grown human out of commission if they're treating to attack my daughter, let alone some snake that's too ruled by nature to know any better.
You guys just focus too much on millions. I don't care about that. I care about how can I earn even 60,000 or 150,000 a year in passive income. No genuine videos on that topic. No videos that will take you from step 1 to step (generating income).
@@StartingFromZeroPod Yeah Dude but mindset is not enough! They don't talk about the failure, hardwork, time, self-doubts, family pressure, family responsibilities that leave you very little time, your own health issues and the list goes on. They don't talk about how they dealt with all of the problems they faced. They all had days jobs for the longest time and they build their empire on the side. When they talk about it, it appears that they say, starting a newsletter, for example, is just a breeze
Let's get Naval on this podcast
"A lot of people want success, and success is getting what you want.
And happiness is wanting what you get. That's gratitude.
Practice both.
Don't just practice the getting what you want. Because that's a never ending mountain of more. And you'll never get to the top of that mountain.
You want to master both.
But if you could pick one, it should really be wanting what you get."
Great way to end the Pod 👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾
Not sure why my eyes welled up with tears when thinking about Burt.... Something so touching and honorable about folks who live just for life and dont chase the bag like the rest of us.
3:05 - Still disagree. Most work is still primarily grunt work. Most work isn't creative, even if you're in a literal creative industry. Everything from graphic design, to programming, to filmmaking and songwriting. You sketch a rough design to start, plan the algorithm, build a storyboard, and write the lyrics and music beforehand. That's the high skilled creative work but many many people can do these things reasonably well.
The reason that top artists and programmers and designers get paid well is because of their dedication to the rote aspect of the task on top of their creative ability. Drawing and coloring, typing code, organizing a sets construction, and recording a song.
You could hypothetically delegate some of the rote work to lower skilled workers but the work still needs to be done and increasing the number of people drastically increases the probability of miscommunications and slow downs so much that large companies routinely fail because of it.
Our generations pre-1940ish worked 10+ hours per day, 6-7 days per week, 52 weeks per year, for their whole lives until they died. Due to increases in productivity we can now afford to work less. But the idea that rote work is no longer necessary for the majority of workers ignores practically everything about the reality of producing output.
If you ask any writer(novel, news, or screenplay) or most programmers the key is to show up everyday and grind it out even when it's not super fun or inspirational. That's most of the job.
Do you work in a creative field? Because I do (i.e., software/programming) and I completely agree with what he said there. Humans evolved doing physical work, so the work done during the industrial age (i.e., when the work schedule was established) was easier to stomach. Humans did not evolve to stare at screens, re-factor/debug old code, and write new code for 8 hours a day non-stop which is why burnout in the tech field is so common. Also, even grunt work requires mental capital. Maybe it's different in filmmaking and songwriting, but with hardcore technical fields what he said there was spot on in my opinion.
@@gokublack4832 Perhaps I've miscommunicated a bit, so I apologize for that.
My comment is mostly in response to the tweet at 0:41. Basically that a work week, as a general concept, is not against our nature. Some/most people(very understandably) just don't like work, and think because it's difficult that we're not mean to do it. However, none of that changes the fact that work is definitely in our nature.
Then there's also the bit that came *after* I said "the idea that rote work is no longer necessary... ignores everything about... Producing output". That last paragraph is the only portion that was meant primarily in response to Shaan.
His claim was approximately that most of the productivity happens in a condensed window, "there's an hour of the day that is more productive than all the rest combined". Which I 100% agree with.
The point of my response to Shaan is that, having also personally worked as a creative in a hand full of roles, noone gets to that hour of peak productivity without spending many many many many hours grinding away at it.
I'm willing to admit that there may be some better ways out there. However, it has always seemed to me that this golden hour of productivity rarely comes at beginning, and is almost invariably at the middle/end of some long day(sometimes weeks) of just banging your head against the same problem over and over again. And I've yet to see anyone get to the golden hour without putting in a lot of seemingly pointless work prior.
I'm not opposed to the idea of a more fluid/ad-hoc work day where the schedule is structured less strictly, but the idea that similar productivity will come without some consistent and grueling scheduled work period seems to be out of line with reason and experience.
Did I respond to your idea or was I just stoking my own fire here?
Edit: Typos
*P.S.*
Also, I'm not one of these people that necessarily believes that everyone of our grandparents and great grandparents were so much tougher than us. But I do believe there is some sort of generational relationship with burnout. Modern day farm and trade workers are considerably more likely to burn out than our grandparents were. It's possibly a survival thing.
If we're farmers in 1905 and we stop working, our families starve and wither when winter comes. Today, if we quit or are fired from a manual Labor or trade job we're entitled to unemployment, a severance package, and workers comp in some cases. Will someone be comfortable on entitlements? *ABSOLUTELY NOT*, quite the opposite. But (without accounting for savings) you'd have enough resources to continue to exist and many people are okay with that.
Thus injury claims in these fields are several times higher today than a century ago despite the work being several times safer and easier. It would stand to reason that higher earning jobs with even less of immediate survival incentive, such as in creative fields, would be more likely to burnout. I don't know that the nature of the work has anything to do with it?.
Edit: Postscript added
it'll be interesting to get people like jim hayle, to get their view of life, like what philosophy do they live by, does money not matter at all to them, or do they just earn enough to survive, what are their hardships like in life. very rarely do we come across people like them.
To the snake story, my family comes from New Mexico. Cowboy boots are tall for various reasons but snake bites are a big one.
I like the work across different generations thingy 34:26
Great chat. Embrace the mantra that if life gives you lemon make lemonade. Opportunity is everywhere.
One of your best podcast episodes.
Naval definitely needs to be on the pod ☺️
agreed
Amazing snake story! You guy's rock.
Shawn, look into the oilfield and blue collar workers on huge construction projects. It's exactly what you described for Chinese workers. They travel to far away projects away from family and live a slavish existence. Many millions of electricians welders and other trades live that way. Love the show.
Yea I was thinking about that idea. One day you wake up look at your phone and there will be missions you can do. This work will be gamified and you will be compensated. The rules get sent to you and you can choose to do the same missions or unlock new ones with increased skill
"We shouldn't be so fearful of shark attacks because statistically it is so rare."
Or shark attacks occurs rarely because we're paranoid about being attacked by sharks
love your podcast guys! I would love for you to talk about how people in different countries connect with opportunities around the world. Like how can someone in UAE work from Dubai and build opportunities in the US or Europe?
yeap "one punch" projects as I like to call it. Movies work this way with similar outcomes.
Sam, how would you transform your business to allow all employees to work like lions?
Whats the name of the book you mentioned about interviewing older people?
I love your podcast guys. Just chiming in though to day that I don't think comparing blue collar workers in China with tech workers in America is an apt comparison.
Shaan understands the world better
I million dollars is a million problems. I know that because I have over a hundred thousand problems.
Cool podcast!
So the thing is “Wheelchair ♿️ can’t get fit in Lamborghini”.
Jim Is A Legend
You've definitely got this comment before but, this is the first time I'm watching this and I really thought your voices were the other way round 🤣 that's completely messed with my head
We get this a lot
Any idea on the name of the book referenced at 17:00
Shaan looks like he went to Turkey for a hair transplant.....
Great show
Do a book recommendation video please
cool hair. great show.
I think if you are an entrepreneur, 60-80 is more like a minimum. If you want more, you should work more to achieve it. Work weeks can often exceed 100 hrs/wk when starting a business
Joe Kennedy also really a pseudo gangster, bootlegger.
17:23 😂 #True
Y’all need to stop interrupting each other lol
First!
Congrats
@@shaanpuri5111 hahahaha I did this ironically but since I got you here, how can I help you and Sam develop a tokenized club that you spoke of, combine that with the idea Sam had to turn trends into a startup investment community, a AngelList type club with tokenized membership
This dude's talking about some sort of primal instinct nonsense. That rattlesnake was a pretty crystal clear sight that you should actually be in the present moment with your daughter collecting these memories.
You know, instead of focusing on some section of the invisible collective that is the world wide web. Preaches about losing the old ways when the fact is, they aren't being lost. You are CHOOSING not to pass down the ways of old, i.e basic human connection. So stuck on some web page that an animal in the real world almost severed your father-daughter bond permanently. And then had the nerve to have sympathy for the snake.
I get you, peace and love and all that. But it's my property, and it's my child. If it really comes down to it, I'll put a grown human out of commission if they're treating to attack my daughter, let alone some snake that's too ruled by nature to know any better.
You guys just focus too much on millions. I don't care about that. I care about how can I earn even 60,000 or 150,000 a year in passive income. No genuine videos on that topic. No videos that will take you from step 1 to step (generating income).
It’s a mindset pod at the end of the day. There’s no silver bullet to what you’re looking for
@@StartingFromZeroPod Yeah Dude but mindset is not enough! They don't talk about the failure, hardwork, time, self-doubts, family pressure, family responsibilities that leave you very little time, your own health issues and the list goes on.
They don't talk about how they dealt with all of the problems they faced. They all had days jobs for the longest time and they build their empire on the side. When they talk about it, it appears that they say, starting a newsletter, for example, is just a breeze