Stephen and Rep. Liz Cheney Debate the GOP’s Role in America’s Slide Towards Fascism
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- Опубликовано: 11 дек 2023
- Stephen Colbert asks former Congresswoman Liz Cheney to examine the Republican Party’s role in eroding the public’s trust in America’s institutions. Her book, “Oath and Honor,” is available now.
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So up until jan 5th she was happy to keep her mouth shut for the party. Don't get me wrong I'm happy she stood up but she was an enabler ! Being anti Israel government is not antisemitism!!
Exactly. Supported Trump right through his presidency. She's no hero (and her father is positively evil).
I am not buying her defnse of the Republican Party either. Without her Republican party, Donald Trump would now have been able to find a tent big enough to attract all White Supremicist and Racists who now adore him..
Agreed
Though it is a fair point that the Left should be careful about allowing antisemitism to be co-opted or antisemitic movements to co-opt their position
It has (allegedly) happened before with the UK's Labour (centre-left) party
She stood up against the party before then.
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"We cannot become the party of Anti-Semitism and bigotry" Liz... the republicans have been that party for a long time, Trump just stopped using coded language when talking about it.
Remember Trumps 'good people on both sides' when his peeps were using anti-Semitic na zi chants.
@@janefreeman995 You can't quote a single chant.
I can! “The Jews will not replace us! The Jews will not replace us!” The Republican “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville NC! @@research1586 I mean, you DO know that these things get recorded and broadcast, right? Rofl
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Wallace
@@darrenhersey9794agreed, people are naive and gullible. They need to do their research and study their history. Democrats are not saints. Remember after the civil war most Confederates joined the newly formed democratic party.
Hats off to Stephen for this interview. He was respectful, but didn't avoid asking tough questions (to which Liz respectfully largely disagreed). That's OK. The US desperately needs to get back to a place where people of different political views can respectfully disagree. I completely agree that ALL thoughtful Americans need to band together to stop Trump's assault on basic democratic norms and values.
Not just Trump's assault... This is a part of a plan that the GOP has been working on for 40+ years... VOTE BLUE...
There are limits to that. There's no compromise with fascism. And Liz promoted fascism.
Most Republicans don’t want to stop Trump. They’re using his base.
Ll@luke5100
This is the best reply I've heard all day because Trump is truly a threat to democracy and all it stands for.
She's tough and smart. When she pushed back on Stephen she did so firmly but without even raising her voice. I miss real public discourse.
She is also gorgeous😍
@@mattclayer6541😂😂😂
The way it's supposed to be. Both sides listening, both sides learning about the other and focusing on common ground.
As brave as Liz Cheney has been against Trump, it still bothers me that she refuses to look at the policies of the Republican party as enabling Trump over the years. She needs to do more self reflection to see how voting with Trump 90% of the time enabled Trump.
Yeah, the entire GOP are MAGA now.
Well, you do remember her father?
think about it like a bad addiction and rehab. at some point, we hit "rock-bottom".... the important thing now is to recognize the problem and work towards recovery... we can ask the harder questions after we get the tools to answer them. until then, we're just furthering the problem by even addressing them.
Trump switched parties to run & draw in his cult from that side, because he knew that especially among the right-wing evangelical religious cultists, who put their beliefs in fiction over proven fact, denial is their most abundant resource & the Cheneys are no different, just slightly more patriotic it would seem.
Yes
Pro Palestinian is not anti Semitic
Exactly. By the dictionary definition Palestines are also Semites. When you google the definition of semite it returns "a member of any of the peoples who speak or spoke a Semitic language, including in particular the Jews and Arabs". Palestinians are Arabs, therefore they are also semites
Achieving true justice for Israelis & Palestinians is not mutually exclusive. Quite the contrary, the pursuit of a reality where all on this Land successfully fulfill their needs is the only way to unlock our future and to free ourselves from those who profit from our cycles of violence and trauma.
The questions is not if we will transcend, but when?
Rudy Rochman
Its so refreshing to watch two clashing ideas have such a civil discussion. This was a good interview!!
I admire your optimism but Colbert would have spit in her face if he saw her on the street. He cares deeply about people, Liz sees us as a means to an end, just like her dad.
@@yiarkungfu No, he wouldn't have. And while I understand the cynicism, her political career is basically over because the the stand she took. What is the end? Selling books?
@@yiarkungfu It's genuinely sad to see that we're at a point where we have been conditioned to believe that the status quo is that we're enemies out to get each other rather than Americans who are equals but vote to settle disagreements.
Yes, totally!! ❤
I never thought I'd see the day Liz and Stephen had a non-hostile chat. Bravo to both of you.
How did the GOP get there first? That's easy: Rupert Murdoch and Fox.
Evangelical support.
Reagan and the silent majority..... Once the for personal profit freaks got in, the trash was attracted like 🪰 on 💩
@@Mikathedog100 - Yep....religion. They hide behind their religion as a shield for their heinous ideology.
Greed.
And Nixon. The big GOP crimes started with that guy and never stopped. Republican leadership has been godawful for many decades now.
Trump was/is not an aberration for the Republican party. He was nominated *specifically* because he represented exactly what Republicans wanted and what they represent. Exactly what the Republican party has been pushing towards since at least Reagan's presidency.
You have to understand her position in order to decide her response. She can't plainly call out the people that she's attempting to recruit. It's counterproductive to her cause of moderating her own party.
Whether you agree with her words or not is much less important than agreeing with her cause. The Republican party needs to swing back towards the center in a large way, and I support those who would endeavor to that end.
@@allenklingsporn6993 I understand her position, but the whole, "Trump changed the Repubicanparty," and, "Trump is an aberration," narrative is widespread. It's not just Liz spreading it, it's all over the place, and it's utterly wrong and dishonest.
@@allenklingsporn6993That would be nice, but Ms. Cheney seems to be unsure as to whether or not it's possible fo reclaim her party from the depths to which it has sunk.
@@allenklingsporn6993hhv 6:55 6:55 tyt
@@allenklingsporn6993Lying won't bring back her party. The Republican party is gone, done. If she wants to be part if a new conservative party, she still needs to be honest.
It is hysterical that Stephen asked tougher questions than every anchor on MSNBC!
Just like guns, "now is not the time to talk about it". News flash, most Republicans are going along with him and supporting him even after what he did. We most definitely need to talk about it now
I don't know much about her, and I can't expect her to admit racism is an issue with her party... but it simply is.
If only for all the attempts to exclude people of color from the ballot box.
Interesting that the most gentle late night host gave Liz the toughest interview I’ve seen so far on her book promo tour.
The conversation they needed to have was about his enablers in Congress, the Senate, the Supreme Court, the Justice Dept, and the Secret Service. He was cleared twice in impeachment cases that should have seen him thrown out of office forever. That tells you everything you need to know about the GOP.
Agreed. But we're talking about the MAGA extremists disguising themselves as Republicans in all branches of government, not the old school Republicans that took their oath seriously.
The voters also have responsibility in this mess. He got the votes to be put in power. Everyone has to reflect on their part in this and course correct. We have to get MAGA out of every branch of government.
Thank you Liz and Steven for the intelligent and calm discussion.
For God Sake Liz take responsibility …your party breed him .fostered him not just in 2015 but for the past 20 years please !!!
Own it Liz!
Past 20 years?
Cheney won’t take Responsibility. She isn’t anti Trump she’s anti being out of power. She voted with Trump 98% of the time!
@@jijogeorge5792him as in his type
She can't as it would be going against everything she believes.
This is my impression of Liz Cheney: I don't understand what you're saying Steven. All the Republican party did was, feed Donald Trump, house Donald Trump, draped Donald Trump in the American flag, gave him a Bible to thump, and used him to achieve every Republican fever dream. How is that bread crums?
And scene!!!! 🎬
BRILLIANT!!!! 👍
Finally, someone in the comments section that doesn't have Stockholm Syndrome. Finally.
@db8658 Image what the future would be like if Trump went instead of Harry Whittington 💥👈🏾 Bang Bang
I agree! the GOP has for a long time either tolerated, pretend, or totally ignore strands of fascism within the party! Trump is the first to really sucessfully capitalize on it!
For what it's worth. I read her book, and it's was so well done. I'm not a fan of GOP policy, especially on social issues, but Liz showed real courage and her story is compelling.
I agree with you with 100%. I'm not a Republican, either.
The book is very thorough and well written. I would highly recommend it, no matter what your party affiliation is . I may not agree with her political views, but she has a great love for this country and the Constitution, so that is something we all share. It took a lot of courage to do what she did.
Reading how she and Nancy Pelosi worked so well together on the committee, setting aside party lines and finding there was so much they agreed on, made me hopeful that we can have that back again. They respected each other, found common ground to get the job done. Like John McCain said, his loyalty was to the people and not the party. We need reasonable folks like that again. It's our job as voters to educate ourselves and only put folks with that mindset in Congress.
Have opposed her and her dad on a lot of things over the years, but this is about America and not a Cult of Personality. Thank you!
I'm not American, but Stephen's point is spot on. Trump would not be a danger if Republicans didn't support him. Liz didn't answer his question and that's a concern. What is it about the people in this party that leads them to support this guy? The outside world can clearly see he's been a threat since day 1.
Trump is here to help not harm. Biden has harmed for 3 years.
Yes, it was obvious in 2015 that Trump is a fascist
Fox News.
She still had to call his use of vocabulary "elitist". As if people with educations are the enemy,
sad to say, I'm betting 98% of the viewers and audience still wouldn't know what "piquant" meant had she not stopped a live taped show, admitted she didn't know and asked. I'm guessing you didn't either since you just generalized it as "use of vocabulary" instead of using the actual word. She's a person not afraid to admit she doesn't know something, yet is willing to learn something new, and I respect the hell out of that.
as if Colbert hasn't had made scathing remarks about her ever
@@timmothycopeland4866🙄
@@timmothycopeland4866 As a side note, every single person in the room knew where they were and that Colbert was likely to use the vocabulary of a person who reads books.
@@stacey5440 I'm not sure any of that was in question, but ok.
Thanks, Liz. We need people in our countr with voices who stand up for our Constitution and our Democracy!
She said its elite. vocabulary isn't elite. Neither is intelligence. Entitlement is elite. We the people have a responsibility to intelligence regardless of financial means.
In some ways, I agree; in some ways, not. I think it’s reasonable to remind someone in a public role that using vocabulary that isn’t widely known interferes with their ability to communicate to all of the public. Is it important for us to build a society where everyone has access to good education? Yes. But we don’t have that society yet, and that means we should expect public figures not to communicate as if we do.
@@rev.rachel should? Kinda pugnacious/presumptuous
isn't it? Whats worse speaking freely or saying you have to dumb it down for the dummies. And you too. Lecturing others about their speech is quintessential dumbing down. They do this to protect ignorance and pretend to advocate for those they're exploiting. Channeling their best they're best elitist clamor while her father spent lives and treasury for hair brained buffoonery on that ignorance. So spare me the defense lady. Mkay.
It was a good joke, calm down
Yeah, I found that to be an incredibly rude comment. Some people just like learning and using unique/new words. It's not "elitist" it's just being a book nerd.
@@contedefees you guys have no humor
Dont agree with her Politics but respect to her for standing up for the Country and preserving democracy. That used to be the norm before. I would have had no problems with Rommney or McCain but America cant survive another Trump Presidency
Precisely this. Whether Obama won or not at any point, America as we knew it would have persisted. But when Trump was elected, nobody can deny things have taken a dramatic turn. People will try to deflect and say both sides got radical, but that's disingenuous. The Right is out of control.
Republicans support for TRUMP is the same as the German Republicans support for HITLER in 1933. The German Republican Party made a political alliance with Hitler and the Nazis, made Hitler the leader of the alliance, and put him in power. The result was the holocaust and WW2.
Good on *Stephen Colbert* for insisting on the question: “Why in the Republican Party - and not the democrats?” - When she clearly didn’t want to answer, and also eventually never did,.. 😏
I think most liberals are deaf to the truth Liz Cheney just mentioned as to why it happened first within the Republican Party. Actually the intelligent and talented Stephen Colbert has himself played a role in causing Trump's influence. For years Republicans have been pushed to accept progressive ideas and policies and felt a huge loss of influence in our culture. After being made fun of or seeing media influencers move counter to traditional family values they finally turned to someone they thought would fight dirty for them. They wanted him to fight their war so badly that they no longer cared if he himself had none of the morals they professed to believe in. The blame for this tragedy is widespread and not only the fault of the right.
Oh FFS rise ABOVE party or you're part of the problem.
What he actually asked was why the Republican party got to authoritarian ideas first. Terrible ideas are not a Republican exclusive.
@luke5100 if you support the constitution then you support the country and vote against any dictator-wanna-be like the orange clown. I'm an independent and get tired of left leaning talking heads harping on party stuff as if Democrat politicians are angels. They're not. At the moment, Repubs are way more of an existential threat to the country and world than Dems.
Try sincerely befriending someone, (or better several people), who is conservative and have a reasonable conversation with them.@luke5100
I am a lifelong Democrat but I have great respect for Ms. Cheney for doing the right thing at this time in history.
And she’s here to sell her book “Oath and Honor”. Is this not obvious for you? She did the bare minimum by calling trump out, she voted with him all the time , she pretends that the GOP hasn’t been flirting with fascism with decades . Cmon
@@901WesYet she is one of a very small number in the GOP willing to openly call out his bullshit. I disagree on most things with her, but we at least have the same foundational understanding of the dangers in allowing Trump's behavior.
@@JustinAZ yet she will not admit that the GOP has been leading itself towards fascism , and her being silent about the real problems isn’t going to help. Trump ain’t the only fascist in that party . She did the bare minimum , and is profiting off of it . Sweet gig , wish I got paid after doing the right thing . Nice media job coming as well I’m sure . Another thing that drives me crazy is her pretending that criticism of Israel killing nearly 10,000 children in Gaza is anti semitism. What IS anti semitic is a bunch of right wing goons in Charlottesville holding tiki torches and chanting some hateful crap. Or other right wingers in the Elon/ tucker Carlson sphere who promote replacement theory horse****. I cannot respect someone who misleads and tries to obfuscate or says x and y are equal. And yes, the very policies she stands for have helped destroy this country, which ironically just leads to a desperate sycophantic base who think “blank” is here to save them . She’s partly responsible too.
i have no respect for her. It looks like she wanted to keep her leadership position in politics so she tried to lead the right away from maga to her benefit. Once she saw she walked too far across the diving board she had to jump. Shes as much of a hawk as her violent old man. Shes just as disingenuous too. Lets not forget she agrees with 93% of the far right. Shes not an ally to The People
@@901WesThebook may have been written to convey a perspective, and the damn things cost money. Why do self centered people always think they're the same as everyone?
Interesting how she refuses to admit the GOP is directly responsible for Trump and his actions.
Trump is not doing this alone! So, he isn’t the only Fascist in the GOP.
No, but he's the only one that seems immune to any accountability, at least so far.
it is a party-wide effort.
Stupid people are all over the place. Hitler was a fascist.
Indeed. Even Hitler required his sycophants to help him rise to power. Until January 6th, Liz Cheney was one of Trump's sycophants so, I'm not all that sympathetic to her now. Certainly not enough to buy her book.
Yes and look at the Federalist Society and Heritage Foundation, both started by those fascist Reich wingers decades ago.
Liz for god's sake, and for the millionth time, anti-zionism and anti-semitism are two completely different things. You can hate the Israeli government and its land theft of Palestinian territory without also hating the Jewish religion.
*_Well said_*
Complete lack of self-examination. Thanks, Stephan! The breadcrumbs are real. More than a few saw this coming out of it.
The one thing she could do, and she's clearly not at that point yet (if ever!), is to say "We got it wrong, we've led you down a dangerous path and I apologise for my contribution to where we are now."
Grateful for her work on the 1/6 committee.
Thank you
Yes, but she is still a sicko republican that thinks Democrats want abortion rights even after birth. Ridiculous thinking and dangerous policies that restrict human rights and wants to destroy the national social safety net including Medicare/Medicaid and Social Security.
Nicely done. Stephen didn't let Cheney's spin go unchallenged, but discussed it with her like a reasonable adult. Too many of the late night hosts suck up to such guests, not holding them responsible for their actions.
In a way she showed how unused she is to reasoned push back, her denial of the slippery slope they followed for decades was not credible.
But if she is to change Republican sentiment they have to project blame onto Trumptard interlopers.
Not understanding piquant also shows Republicans lack of worldliness and value of education, she called it elitist when it was precise language.
Too many people who KNEW better still want him back in office. White supremacy is the issue and Ms. Cheney, VP Pence, and the MAGA minions of the GOP do/did not believe the backlash would hit them. The ones who were ousted found out they were not immune. Others will know soon enough. Being white and wealthy are not shields against a strongman. Disagree and suffer the consequences.
He listened.
Lizzie, there’s a reason he chose, as a Democrat, to run as a Republican, and not as a Democrat. Full stop.
Because the republican base is more gullible. The younger generation is much more aware.
I love how he slid that “even though you voted with him 90% of the time…” 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
The Damage is done she created and others created this 👿 and people will always know that she played big part in it to save her political career. 2:22 She’s trying to put Pandora back in the box and it’s impossible at this time the damage is done.
I'm not an US American, but I can appreciate people having a spine when it matters.
Having said that, she was dodging HARD. I can understand not wanting to take the blame or even having a different viewpoint, but everything that's happening in the GOP was years if not decades in the making.
Yes. Liz Cheney and the GOP need to do a lot of self-reflection.
@@katherineweber8955oh we’re reflecting alright.
I am an American. I left the NRA in 1991 when Wayne Lapierre came in and took it in a direction of absolutism. I left the Republican Party (effectively) in 2000 when the neocons took in a similarly absolutist direction. That's how long this extremism has been brewing in the party, and it only culminated in Trump's nomination in 2016. It's not like he won that vote out of nowhere.
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@@citylumberjack9169 Then you should have returned when Trump became the leader of the GOP and neocon Bush became part of the left.
Standing up for and supporting the Palestinian people, their, rights, their lives, and their homeland, does NOT mean one is anti-Semitic. It simply means one is calling out Israelis for their oppression, genocide, land grabbing, destruction, and in-humane treatment of Palestine and it's precious people.
Exactly, Palestinians are Semites. Supporting them is pro-Semitic. The false conflation of anti-Zionism with "anti-Semitism" is transparent propaganda.
Bravo to Liz Cheney for having the balls to stand up for our constitution. Let's work together and those who can VOTE go out and VOTE!
The irony of this is that Cheney voted against voting rights. But yes, I agree that now more than ever, people must vote.
applaud the manner this interview was handled. polite,informed, firm, probing on both sides. This gives me hope... small, transparently fragile but hope
She voted with Trump 93% of the time! Enough said. She can keep the proud boys and those types of people.
more like she voted for her party 93%
When fascists rise up, my comrades are any who oppose them.
Woody Guthrie, or Liz Cheney.
Recognizing a slow genocide in progress is not the same as Anti-Semitism.
It's not that slow of one. 0.5% of a population per month.
She's saying "It's him not us [the GOP]" but the GOP is not standing against the fascism, and talk as if Jan 6th was a bunch of tourists. SMH
Best interview and most respectful one ive seen in a long time
Pssssssst hey Liz, it worked because your party allowed the rich and corporate America to crush all the little working poor people (myself), and we are desperate to see the "American dream" become possible again. We work constantly and can barely scrap by, that is why Trump has been able to do this. The ppl are looking for a savior from the oppressive ways of the rich corporations!
He is no savior and our country will look more like Russia than America of the 1950's if he is elected. Praying the courts will take him down. He is such a con artist and manipulator. Atilla the trump if being kind.
If Orange Jesus is the saviour of those just getting by because of past Republican entitlement of their rich friends and backers ask them to Google-during Trumps presidency did he give tax breaks to the wealthy?Maybe the smarter ones will dummy it down for the ones you see being interviewed at a maga rally.
The working Trump people are the turkeys who voted for Christmas!
The daft thing being, of course, that Trump IS an oppressive rich corporation owner. Believing someone like him - even without paying attention to what he, personally, has been doing for the last 50 years - will be on the side of little working poor people is a sign of desperation if not wilful self-delusion. OK, anyone can be fooled once, but now there's been a taste of what kind of President he makes, there are no more excuses for not knowing what he truly is. He is not their friend.
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The sales pitch on fascism began when her dad and George Jr. knowingly lied about Iraq. As much as I want to support Ms. Cheney it’s entirely disingenuous for her to not recognize their role in authoritarianism.
Didn't start with W. I'd wager it started with Nixon and all his problems with those nuisance "laws".
I agree and believe people should really temper their applause for Cheney. She might be right about Trump, but for decades she was wrong about literally everything else.
@@jimtokheim1422(And still is.)
The sales pitch for fascism realistically started in the 60s was pushed further in the Nixon era, pushed further again in the Reagan era, and then push further by George w and her dad.
Everyone is a fascist in 2023, people need to stop using that word so loosely
Good job holding her feet to the fire, Steven! Hold her to account for the way that Republican policies and leadership led them directly to Trump! Thank you for speaking truth to power! 🙏
She said that a large swath of people felt unheard, but the GOP is significantly overrepresented (through gerrymandering) compared to the number of votes they gain. So my question to her would be, "how told them they weren't being heard?" (hint it's Fox and GOP politicians)
The day after the UK voted in Brexit, the top Google search was "what does Brexit mean". We can't let that happen to our country and have the top Google search after the 2024 election be "what is a dictator?" Vote, vote, vote against trump.
Not only just Trump, but ALL of the GOP, as it is dominated now by the GOP Sedition Caucus. I have been voting for the moderates in the GOP primaries and every election the most moderate GOP candidate is further and further to the right.
wonder if today's top google search was "piquant"
@@timmothycopeland4866 LoL
very well put.
End the 2 party system. We need more choices.
What a shame she wasn't willing to reflect and answer the question (even after she specifically said she wanted to answer it)
Great job, Stephen. Other than Trevor Noah, I have seen very few intelligent people have a level headed discussion with someone on the Republican side. I myself will never be able to do anything like this. How can you be so close to them and not seethe!
Good God! She sniggered after calling Stephen “elitist”!
Because SHE isn’t an elite?
Stephen did some brave questioning here. However, the response I heard was the same response given to gun control: "Now is not the time." I think educating the electorate about how the republican party got here is vital in order to keep it from happening again with either party. Knowledge is power. It is important for people to understand who they are voting for and why. It was a valiant effort on Stephen's part. I'm happy he is back and doing well.
Exactly. Cheney claims Trump is a big bad existential threat that must not be ignored, and our institutions are not impervious to dictators - but "now is not the time" to figure out why Trump was popular or how to protect our institutions. The GOP couldn't possibly have had anything to do with it. She acts like criticizing anything the GOP did is the same as criticizing "everything" the GOP did.
I feel sorry for her. It couldn't have been easy having a war criminal for a father. It's probably very confusing for her to reconcile her love for him as a father with the harm he did to so many people. So of course she struggles with self-awareness and party awareness. She doesn't strike me as sophisticated enough to be obfuscating around any nefarious motives. She just seems well-intentioned but confused. If she would just aim that mighty courage at the mirror, she might really get somewhere.
Difficult if not impossible for me to be empathetic towards someone who has no empathy herself. She looks just like her evil father and is every bit as robotic. No doubt that if you pried them open, you'd find nothing but nuts and bolts and a few loose wires right where their hearts should be.
"The singular objective of the GOP is nothing less than the complete destruction of organized human society. - Noam Chomsky
Bar for bravery is super low
@@MrPossum077 Yes, that bar for bravery AND for human decency of any kind, is now set "super low" thanks to dTrump.
Well said!
She proves that she’s still a member of the party of personal responsibility that doesn’t accept personal responsibility! Very disappointed but expected!
The left isn't anti-semitic, they (we) (I) are anti-right-wing governments, which Israel has. The right wants to conflate anger against Netanyahu and his cronies with anti-semitism, but those are not the same thing.
Great, tough questions. Colbert has balls.
She really didn’t want to go too deep into answering that question. I can see why. Even if she was willing to answer, it would take a lot more time than she had.
This is a great example of a debate - firm, pointed, contentious, yet calm and polite.
I respectfully disagree. She isn't an honest interlocutor. She is deflecting and gaslighting.
@@pechaa Yes, she’s not showing any understanding for how the GOP got here. She’s deflecting it. GOP has been sledding towards authoritarianism for decades. Note that Colbert is being polite, but firm in his questions. To me she is so much more in touch with reality than the clowns running for other GOP nominations that I find it refreshing. You’re right that she’s dodging, but she’s more honest than Nikki Haley. FWIW.
@@TypoKnigThat's still a pretty low bar to be praising her for. It's almost like praising her for not being a cartoonish crook like Trump and Santos.
Should we also tell her, "Good job Liz! You DIDN'T make 3 sets of NFTs or steal your donors' credit card info to buy botox! Here's a medal!"?
@@Living_Life242 Tragically, that’s where the GOP is in 2023. Congrats, Liz, you’re only 93% awful. Here’s a cookie.
This is not about Trump anymore…it’s about those who support him. I will never understand the mindset.😢
Seeing interviews of Trump supporters at political rallies and protests does not lend itself to optimism about our society. A woman wearing 5 pieces of Trump swag while claiming that Trump is a Christian doing god's work repeatedly- how gullible do you have to be to believe that? Trump has never been a believer- he doesn't even know how to read a bible passage when it's provided for him on a teleprompter.
Thank you for pointing out she voted for 90% of his policies. I know for a fact she could of done more to oust him way earlier since she knew and had all the insider info, could of prevented a lot things. Glad you have overcome that appendix, good to have you back Stephen.
Yeah, the first impeachment.
Liz Cheney dropped by to explain the one unifying practice among the GOP, mental gymnastics. Rush Limbaugh laid the foundation for Trump and she knows it.
If the dems keep blaming republicans for this, then we WILL have a dictatorship run partly by white Christian nationalism. I'm not a republican , but democrats aren't helping.
Ronnie Raygun laid the foundation for Trump
@@DSAK55Ronald Reagan was wonderful. ❤
@@happyappy19931 No.
Newt Gingrich started it. Before him, Dems and Republicans were friendly with each other in Congress. Even though they often had heated debates, there were many friendships across party lines and compromise was much less contentious.
Well-done Stephen 👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿
Yes I'm really looking forward to reading this book. For someone who sided with Trump so often, I want that insight as to what the straw that broke the camel's back actually was. I think Stephen was giving her too much credit by saying Dems were liking her now. One or two good deeds doesn't undo years of BS.
She held her own. Good for her. It undoubtedly takes a LOT of strength to be persistent on standing against her party on an issue of principle, despite the immense damage to her political career.
When did having an education or a reasonably broad vocabulary become "elitist"? Surely everyone should aspire to the best education available to them, and libraries are cost-free and full of books (admittedly less so these days). It's terribly retrograde and frankly just WRONG to qualify an erudite person as elitist. Thank goodness for hosts like Stephen who are willing to have intelligent conversations and not talk down to their guests or their audience.
Exactly. And after all, _"picante/pikant/etc"_ literally just means "spicy" in so many languages...
I think it was sometime in the early 2000s, but they'd been trying to shift that way for longer than I've been old enough to pay attention to politics.
So she should have just remained ignorant and pretended to know a very uncommon word's meaning like I'm guessing 98% of the the viewers and audience did instead of doing what she did by asking during a live taped very popular TV show? I take it you know every word in the dictionary?
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As a viewer, when you don't know a word. Just look it up using the internet or a dictionary. You are sitting in front of your tv or computer screen after all.
@@timmothycopeland4866 There's a difference between asking what a word means and calling it elitist.
I cant believe we've reached such a nadir where Liz Cheney is the voice of reason.
My father orchestrated the genocide of literal millions while being industriously employed by haliburton and my war criminal father also gave me his blessing to not negotiate with gays (like my sister). That said how telling is it that the born and bred daughter of a ruthless capitalist war criminal is the only one to say no. Or i guess she did have a book to sell.
Hey, "nadir" is too elitist of a word. /s
She's still a politician and will not aswer a question. She showed common decency in opposing Trump, nothing more. That I appreciate
Thank you for highlighting that - just doing the bare minimum ethical thing, once does not erase all the awful done in the past. Sure Cheney didn't lose all of the moral core, but she also couldn't redeem herself when asked why she (and her party) is missing 99.9% of her moral core.
Donnie convinced them that not getting their way 100% of the time is THE SAME as not having their 'voices heard'. Big difference.
Good job Mr. Colbert! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Yeah, I was scared that he was going to be soft. I still remember when he hosted tr**p. That was a big yikes.
She loses credibility when she uses logical fallacies to defend her obviously biased, irrational positions. She did the right thing one time. Let's not pretend she isn't who she's been.
Everyone is biased towards their own opinions.
@mk1st True, however presenting one's opinions without using logical fallacies proves the value of their opinion in the first place. Opinions are based on one's awareness and understanding. If their opinion rests on logical fallacies, it's a dumb one. It is how she presents her arguments, with 'obvious' bias; especially when asked about the effects of the GOP's rhetoric and propaganda since Reagan. 🙄
I have me differences with her policies, but she did the right thing more than once once she broke from Trump. She campaigned with democrats to fight back. Let's give her sufficient credit since she's still fighting back. I'm not pretending she has the right policies for America, I'm recognizing she's effective speaking up against Republicans in the coming election. The coming election is too important to dismiss her.
Exactly
@mk1st Nah, some people actually have the courage to challenge their own positions and admit fault
I love Liz Cheney. Sacrificed her career to stand against fascism. She lost all clout within her own party, but there A LOT of people who, because of her efforts, still believe in the Republican Party. Thank you, Mrs. Cheney.
While I agree with Liz Cheney that Americans need to set aside their significant differences to defeat the common threat of Trump, she has some major disconnect with how the policies of her party has lead to this point. She either has refused to give it much thought or she was intentionally dodging the question.
I am pretty sure she was intentionally dodging the question so that she doesn't lose her support from moderate republican voters.
@@Mario-du6dj That is a guess on your part. I am more inclined to believe, based on her voting for Trump twice and her voting record in general /her statements in the past -- that Liz is perhaps unable to move past her own conditioning and wake up to the toxic nature of the party that she had supported and enabled for 30? years.
@@homerroad I would respectfully disagree. Or at the very least I would say its a gross oversimplification of things.
Alas, there really hasn't been a good Republican since Ike, and Liz Cheney's unwillingness to see the connection between the Republicans' trajectory of the past decades and it's inevitable ending in Trump-Land is too naive for a woman of such character and intelligence. Thanks to Ms. Cheney for her character, courage and true patriotism. Keep moving towards the light!
I love how classy this type of civil debate and discussion is - look, no name calling or finger wagging. Behold, this is how civilized adults behave, folks. 🙏🏻👌🏻
Well said ms Cheney. I may not agree with you on issues but I admire your love for our country!
Her voting record standard republican policies I abhor. I have huge respect for her choosing country over party and telling the truth about her party, yet she remains a republican
She needs the republican name to push against it and to make her point. Plus she wants the former republican to come back. Country over party is the mantra. We all need to save our country.
I am the same age as Liz. Our lives could not be more different. Our political stance could not be farther apart. But I have developed a deep respect for her integrity and commitment to Democracy. I like her hair cut too.
I think she still doesn't see how the Republican playbook has led directly to Trump & dictatorship. She & her colleagues cannot see how their hypocritical mantra of "small government! (except for when we want to control your reproductive health and your love life and your religion)" gave those in power a taste of being that in control of other people's lives - and they liked it and want more. Trump is a mindless puppet - that is his danger. All anyone has to do is flatter him & he will happily play with his Happy Meal toys while Republicans chisel away at civil rights or share secrets with foreign heads of state (or businessmen or anyone really - so long as they tell him he's amazing & powerful and strong.....)
She needs to wake up to "freedom for some but not for all" is not freedom at all. Eventually, the jackboots will come for all.
So you want a country with only the democrat party? What's the name for a one party system?
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I wanted to think well of former Congresswoman Cheney. I wanted to believe she made her decision in spite of her career because she was a proponent of truth. But this woman is a generational politician who made a bet that there would be more traditional Republicans who would vote for her than there would be "new Republicans" who would believe everything Trump said. She took a risk hoping it would make her the Queen of the Traditional GOP and she lost that bet. Now she's got a book to shill, and she's just an apologist for her party who let this tyranny happen. She can't even admit that racism and fascism have been part of the Republican platform for decades and all Trump did was make it okay to say it out loud.
Speaking as a non-American. The enemy of my enemy is a friend: Nothing wrong with a woman who has honorable political ambitions, especially when those ambitions include removing an existential threat to western democracy festering within her own party.
True. Steve really pulled the old Liz out of her I'm a hero box.
That's a reasonable take. As someone that commonly votes Democrat these days, it is easy to see her as a hero. And maybe what she did was out of a sense of righteousness... or maybe it was a calculated move that she has to see to the end. Personally, I think it was more of the former with a dash of the latter.
But, every GOP politician and Republican voter is to blame for where we are now. The fact that they can't find ANYBODY else to support for President is just sad. And on top of that, we all know that even the Republican "never Trumpers" will still vote for Trump anyway in November. They'd rather give up democracy in exchange for having a Republican in the Oval Office.
@@TheRfGuy Frankly, she has done the bare minimum. A fascist takeover was happening in her party and she decided to hold some hearings and do some presentations. And she's being lauded as a hero for it. I have never considered her heroic. She's just another Republican shill in the end. I agree with the OP.
I'll take her as an ally. But I don't support any of her political ambitions or explanations. She does lots of GOPsplaining and it's kind of infuriating.
Actions speak loudly.
Had huge pressure from
people.
She did the right thing.
Great interviewing by Colbert, asking the hard hitting questions in a non-inflammatory way. Liz Cheney did a great job answering while putting her politics aside.
I do feel like she is in denial or doesn't want to admit the role her party playing in directing us down this road.
Stephen is soooo good at this. Better than most, if not all, so-called “tv journalists” on CNN/MSNBC
I think these interviews make me wish I could clone Stephen so this could be a podcast interview. It’s such an important conversation to have, and it needs to be had by people capable of bridge building, like Stephen and Liz
Vote them out because your life does depend on it
Believe them when they tell you who they are
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Vote who out specifically?
"Its a very elitist word."
Well, there's someone never getting invited on the show again.
Liz you spoke with pragmatism, reality, reflection on what was wrong, and ypur honesty is admirable.
You should be the leader of the GOP.
And I'm left, but the gop need reality and common sense.
You have it in shovels full, good on you, from Australia
Though she gained my grudging respect by choosing to live in reality 2 or 3 years ago, and impressed me again here, she is still clinging to la-la land by refusing to see how certain attitudes that prevailed in the past and continue to prevail to this day among the the right led to trump. Without addressing that we are going to be in this same position every election from now on.
Her father was a big part of the GOP problem in the making.
The media IS part of the problem in that they give Trump SO MUCH airtime, and they don't call him out on things he says and does nearly as much as they should. They give him a pass way too often. That needs to end.
Biden is greaaat though. Right? 🙄
She is right. What matters is how we deal with this devil now!
"Thank you, Liz Cheney. We'll be right back with Olivia Rodrigo."
Liz Cheney reminds me of Salvatore Maroni (Eric Roberts) in “The Dark Knight”.
Maroni: This craziness… it’s too much.
Gordon: Well you should of thought of that before you let the clown out of the box.
Maddow has done wonderfully in-depth and clear segments on exactly why Trump *isn’t* unique in our country’s history, sooo maybe Cheney should do her homework.
He is the first President. Rachel's book talks about Nazis in the Republican party, not the President of that party.
She's not going to admit any objection to trickle-down economy
Sadly, she has blinders on.
I do admire her for finding an exit.
@@jaynegrant3133 She didn't find an exit; she was pushed through one because she wouldn't go along to get along on impeachment and the Jan 6 Committee.
trump just made it okay to say the bad parts out loud. This is who America has always been.
Many of us recognize, as Stephen does, that the Republican Party has been sliding toward authoritarism for 50 yrs or so (started when those racist Southerners beccame Republicans) and was likely to produce a trump-like character It is also that almost every "never-Trumper" did nothing to stop that slide (or enabled it) and supported terrible policies. However, when the fight is existential and when the focus must be stopping, that means the pro-democracy side needs every never-trumper with us and we can't shame them for their past.
I'm watching this interview online once I found out about it. I yelled at the computer for Stephen to let her answer the questions. Then I had to laugh because the next sentence she said is "I think you should let me answer the question"! Good job Liz Cheney!
She knows that answering his question would be counterproductive. Exposing the underlying failings of the republican world view would alienate the right wingers she's trying to recruit to the cause of defeating trump. Which, at the moment, is top priority.
Agree !
It's also possible to be in favor of small government and privatisation and not be in favor of fascist ideology.
@@jarrodbright5231 it is possible. And maybe many if not most constituents feel that way too, but many of not most of the Republican politicians who represent them do not feel that way.
@@jarrodbright5231 I gotta agree, even if I'm opposed to those things
If that's what you have to do to recruit from your own party. You're going about it the wrong way. Doesn't it seem counterproductive. It seems to me like a majority of Republicans want it this way.
Colbert: "Liz, really?"
He tried so hard to hold in calling her on her crap. He finally had enough.
"He lied to them and preyed on their patriotism." You mean the standard Republican playbook?
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1:47 no, they all have to cater to their xenophobic base if they want the nomination. it's not just republican leadership, it's the _base,_ and the right wing media industrial complex that informs that base.
ffs, DeSantis and Trump have both floated officially labeling Mexican drug cartels as 'terrorists' - which they often _are,_ but putting them in that category OFFICIALLY gives the _military_ industrial complex a LOT more leeway in terms of how we treat our neighbors to the south...
... in ways that will destabilize _them,_ the trade agreements we have w/ them, and _more refugees pouring in_ whom Republicans can and will continue to brutalize and blame for social problems (instead of any _REAL CAUSES:_ like the lack of a social safety net &, idk, the *OLIGARCHY* - inflation is mostly caused by corporate profits, & none of them _ever_ bring things like that up. the GOP is *instead* _constantly railing_ against "spending" - & by that, they mean "funding a social safety net of _any_ kind" [bc military spending is _mandatory,_ even MSNBC says _that_ ]).
sorry the comment got so long, but I'm really frustrated... I follow The Lincoln Project & if Cheyney HONESTLY cares abt the fate of our democracy, she should actually FOLLOW THEIR LEAD & _shill for BIDEN._ don't worry, neoliberal democrats are also fckn _warmongers too._ you wouldn't have to let that go.
What’re you talkin bout old man lol
That’s how educated articulate ADULTS interact when they have opposing ideologies.
Its amazing people are seeing everything that happened and still vote Republican.
Oh we see. Yes we do.
There are GOP politicians who were victims of Trump’s bullying, meanwhile, they admitted they will vote for him if he wins the Republican nomination.
WTF
@@michelebenedosso3899 I think they are being blackmailed.
I wish I could see how history writes this era.. like, in a 100 years from now. It will be like studying about great dynasties brought down so rapidly due to corrupt people in power and extreme stupidity of everyone else who could have prevented it.
@@teeemm4594 I used to think the same. Especially back when Lindsay Graham absolutely did a 180. But Trump cannot be smart enough or have enough resources to hold that much dirt on soo many people. It does simply come down to greed. I feel sad for my species!
I am sure if Cheney saw an upside to supporting Trump, she would flip in a moment.
Liz needs to accept and the Republican party needs to accept what they have done to pave the way for Trump, starting from Gingrich. Remember what her father and Bush did. Dick Chaney would watch nothing but Fox.
It started from the 1954 Supreme Court victory Brown VS the board of education. Berry Goldwater and evangelical Christian Jerry Farwell Seniors operation Dixie1960,Richard Nixon's Southern strategies 1970s and Former Republican strategist Lee Atwater's Ragonomics 1980-2023 ideology playbook of win at any cost by politically purposely dividing Americans against each other over religious, racial, social, cultural issues. Instead of economic fairness and Justice for all Americans !
who's deleting all the replies, and WHY?? none of us said anything rude, vulgar or untrue.. what's going on??
1:44 Yes, _really Liz_ ... the GOP leadership brings up 'illegals' _every chance_ they _get,_ but it's not just the leadership: it's the _base_ & the right wing media industrial complex that _informs_ the base... blaming relatively vulnerable minorities for social problems instead of any of the REAL causes.
both Trump & DeSantis have floated officially labeling d rug car tels as "ter rorists" - which they often _are,_ but categorizing them that way _officially_ gives the military industrial complex a TON of leeway when it comes to how we treat our neighbors to the south...
... which could destabilize _them,_ the trade agreements we have with them, and a lot _more_ refugees flooding in, whom the GOP can continue to blame every social problem on, while ignoring the _actual_ causes (inflation, for instance, is mostly caused by corporate profits. rent goes up bc of landlords. read: the _oligarchy._ but DeSantis, at the presidential debate, blamed 'spending', by which he meant 'funding a social safety net in _any way_ whatsoever'... which is pretty in line with even the more centrist _democrats_ ).
if Chaney _actually_ cares abt our democracy, she should follow The Lincoln Project's lead and _shill for BIDEN._
It starts from further back than that.
Eisenhower was Republican…and Wm. F. Buckley, Jr established an extremist opposition, based in resistance to the Civil Rights Act, & movement toward equity.
It’s been growing since then.
That lead question. Chef’s kiss.
Hilarious that she acts like Colbert is being elitist given her education and family's net worth 😂
Stephen is absolutely correct, except it has been a 50 + year project, starting with Nixn, Reagan, and the FCC's removal of the equal time rule for broadcasters, which more than anything has created the echo chambers we all live in.
For clarity, it is not the FFC's Equal-Time Rule that was removed. It still stands.... This is not to be confused with the similar, but now-defunct, FCC Fairness Doctrine. It may seem like splitting hairs, but the distinction between the two is that the E-T Rule applies to statements made by political **candidates** only, whereas the now-defunct Fairness Doctrine applied to any of a candidate's spokespeople or supporters. Thus, Kellyanne Conway is now a household name because she got so much airtime. But who remembers the names of Hillary Clinton's campaign manager or senior spokesperson? (Robby Mook and Karen Finney, respectively. And yes, I had to look them up.)
Nixon who her father worked for
@@tysonorban6814 From Nixon to Bush, that man's fingerprints are all over that 50 year project.
Roger Ailes Watergate dilemma. Alternative facts. Reagan and the end of the Fairness Doctrine. Right wing radio. Fox snooze. THE LEG CAM! Am I near on point?
@@moxnix1026 Isn't that a Billy Joel song? 😁