This was your best ADV video ever. There was difficulty, there was crashing, there was cursing, and there was ultimately success without injury and only slight bike damage! Great job man
If anyone is wondering....Spite is just as cool (probably even MORE cool) in person! I saw him at ADVfest probably within an hour after he did this ride. He is dedicated and Loves riding. I've been looking forward to this review from you! You understated this test ride when we talked about it! Awesome test ride! This will quash many who dismiss the origins of where this was made! You showed it can handle some rough stuff and you didn't drop parts or break anything. I will also attest that this trail is MUCH harder to ride than what the video shows. The camera doesn't capture the uphill and the downhill angles. If one is watching this and not actually riding it, then one might think this is not as difficult as it is. CF moto only allowed journalist-type to demo their bike at ADVfest...so I didn't ride it. But in talking to Spite and others guys...they all were not fans of the throttle mapping. All complained of the snatchyness....but knowing the way the Chinese do things...(they allow one to tinker)....hopefully it is just an easy ECU flash fix. Sooooo many features packed in this bike for the price! I hope I did mention that Spite is even more cool in person!
I own one of these and bought it for the reasons you mentioned and you hit everything on the head. I have about 2K miles on mine both on and off. I haven't been on anything difficult off road because the stock ties are just not confidence inspiring. The throttle response is an issue on and off road, and yeah its not a rocket ship but, it is a ton of fun to play with the acceleration on the low end. As owning this bike I can also list some other issues that most reviewers don't have the time with the bike long enough to know. 1. The MSU failure at low speeds. The MSU failure will shut the cooling fans off for reasons the community isn't entirely sure of but, for obvious reasons, this is an issue. 2. Accessories are over priced. I spent $60 on the tank pads and mother of God they were terrible and I took them back. The adhesive is separate from the actual pad and is like that stuff you get on the back of a credit card when you get it in the mail. definitely not worth it. I also got the bar risers for $60 as well. Those were worth it. The quality of the packaging and product was perfect. 3. Corrosion. The pannier racks on mine and another person that rides theirs on BDRs, the Ibex already have rust spots. It's barely 2 months old and it is not left in the rain. This worries me about the rest of the bike if I'm to be honest. EDIT: CFMOTO has recently updated the firmware for the MSU failure and the bike functions fine. You just connect your bike to the app and follow the instructions. Took 5 minutes and everything was fine.
@@psaunder1975 honestly after putting north of 3k on mine I would suggest trying the 800DE and seeing how that feels. If you want to off road or dirt road it trust me, get better tires asap
To compare weight of the Ibex to the weight of the Tenere, you have to either strip the Ibex of some components the Tenere doesn’t come standard with or add them to the Tenere to insure an apples to apples comparison
Here in Australia the IBEX is just called the MT800 and they recently came out with the "Explore" model which has a lot of added extras like a new dash, radar warnings etc. Last years model which is the one you're riding came out with fuel injector issues and mapping had to be re-adjusted by CFMoto after the fact to fix it. Apparently they did but it could still result in a less than smooth throttle response. Check out the Explore model for even more value (at the same price) and supposedly fixed fuel mapping.
@@Mano__Tony I watched tons of this bike review and long term user and not one complaint the same complaints it have with KTM 790 Adv. Im getting this bike soon too, the Explore version. CFMOTO already resolved the snatchy throttle by latest update flash.
Also has 6 ride modes, you can disengage ABS and it comes with traction that you can disengage. This model that he’s driving has only two ride modes, no traction and ABS you can’t disengage. The Explore is also available in the USA as the Ibex E. It comes with Michelin Annekes. I want it for 90% on road and 10% off road that wont be extreme and Ive been told that the Ibex is phenomenal for commuting ands long highway rides which is exactly what I want.
Looks like a fun trail. I will say mountain biking is a good skill for ADV biking. Downhill is normally much easier because gravity is helping you. You just have to be willing to let the bike roll and stay balanced through the obstacles.
@jvillain9946 the techniques are the same, especially for downhill. Most of his difficulties on that trail were technique issues not trail or bike issues.
And a key skill that is practiced in MTB is picking a good line, and keeping momentum up. I raced MTB competitively (XC not downhill) and learning to flow with the terrain is win.
im a fairly new rider and started on a DR650 trail riding at age 49. I also have been riding mountain bikes my whole life. I am the only of my motorbike pals who can easily manage the downhills though they have much more experience. I had this conversation not 2 weeks ago and think you are right there because as they generally "fear" the downhill, i have been trained by MTB to love it.
@@PaulKind3d Same deal for me. Fairly new to off-roading (T7, started at 47yo), but 20 years of mountain biking and it has helped me a ton. While the skills don't really correlate 100%, the fact that you are used to the roller coaster ride feel, should know how to pick a line and position your body properly is a great asset. You still have to adjust to the weight and power of a motorcycle, of course, but it's a definite advantage.
I have owned an 800MT for the last year and I find it not top heavy at all & After owning a 2021 ktm 1290 super adventure r even with its low slung fuel tanks the ibex still feels significantly lighter in all aspects.
@cowmath77 The reality is that it is not top heavy for an Adventure bike, I have even had it in slick clay mud & have turned it around on hillsides and had no problems. Maybe if You are only 5ft nothing tall it may feel heavy but then so would every other bike on the market. It seems to me as the owner of this bike that there is a bit of a slander campaign going online against it because it is such a good machine for the money & at its price point is a true market disruptor.
@@cowmath77 dude, you are out of your depth and it shows. I know; you THINK this is trolling, but you don't know a dang thing about motorcycle buying or selling. No-one is comparing car and motorcycle warranties dude, and in six months I've racked up 2,000 miles, with half in the dirt and sand of Florida. Keep trying to be cool, dude, maybe elsewhere tho. 🤣🤣🤣
@cowmath77 It would appear to me that You may have a vested interest In the established brands. I get how that it makes established dealers unhappy as not only does it have the potential to cut deeply into the bottom line of their sales quotas but it also leaves them virtually nothing to upsell to a customer as it comes with everything already Such as heated seat & grips , up & down quick shifter, slipper clutch, cruise control ect & being from china any of the extra little add ons a customer may like to add to the bike can be purchased online for pennies in the dollar. I have no vested interest in any brands as I am just a humble consumer with no bias & to anyone reading this all I can say is go & ride one & experience the value this machine brings to the table for Yourself.
CFMoto knows that they are doing, and so far they are doing it really well. They are making bikes that people are considering over some of the big brands, and that’s saying a lot about what they want to do.
I have owned the Ibex for 2 months and I have really enjoyed the features it has like cruise control, heated grips and seats, quick shifter, and the seat height is not to tall at 32.5 inches. I think for me the pros out way the cons
Personally. I prefer lighter, small bikes. Yes, age and personal bias. When I drop it and push it, I'd rather end up on the bike and not on a gurney or get a chopper ride.
Great video Spite. CFMoto released these deliberately in Australia first 12-18 months prior to the states to iron out any issues. The original one had a snatchy throttle however after a simple remap it basically disappeared. So, not sure why you are getting the snatchy ones. A trip back to the dealership will have it solved in 5 minutes. Good luck all as this bike is priced extremely well for both of our markets whilst the Europeans are paying a lot more for these when you factor in the exchange rates.
Being a Tiger 900 RP owner, to compare the Tiger 850, which is really a road focussed bike, to an adventure focussed bike is apples to oranges. The Rally Pro is a whole different breed. If you can get a chance to put a Rally Pro through it’s paces off the tarmac, you gotta give it a shot. Then again, the RP costs 75% more, and well… you get what you pay for. Each rider has their own priorities, and what works for one may not work for another. In my search for a “Do-It-All” bike, the answer was clearly the Tiger 900 Rally Pro. And you are absolutely right, a 21” front wheel makes a huge difference in gnarly conditions. Properly set-up for off road, with over 9” travel F&R, plus ground clearance to match, the RP works competently/confidently in most all terrain. And at 451lbs(dry) it isn’t too much of a chore to manage. The CFMoto Ibex would be a good comparison to the BMW GS850, Suzuki Vstrom 800DE, Honda TransAlp, Moto Guzzi V85., and the Tenere 700. The class acts of the middleweights, Ducati Desert X, KTM 890 Adventure R, Tiger 900 Rally Pro, operate on another level IMHO.
Think what’s just about to throw a bomb in the middle of all you’ve said are two bikes that are yet to be fully tested by owners: the cf Moto 450MT and Kove 800, the later being 185kgs wet + 95bhp!
There doesn't appear to be anyone out there with you. Those rides alone in that remote forest can be dangerous and even deadly. In my youth I spend 15+ years riding in that stuff in the Arizona deserts and forests, but never alone. And my enduros were a lot lighter. I ate a lot of gravel and tore up a few blue jeans. Even pulled out a lot of barrel cactus spines from my legs but never any broken bones. Keep up the good work and be careful. I've had 24 bikes since high school. I'm 79.
This is the review I've been waiting for! I bought an Ibex 800 3 weeks ago and absolutely love it! I've ridden about 650 miles so far with zero issues. My only complaint is the handguards are plastic and because of the front brake reservoir I couldn't put my tusk handguards on it. I just ordered some Kenda big block tires for it for an upcoming campout!
Just a side note, you're getting a lot better at off-road riding. I forget the last time I saw a video of you off-road, but you did a far better job here than the last time I remember, and the last one wasn't as hard as this one. Keep it up# Also, I'm going to Alpine, TX the first weekend-ish of October, with my trip broke into legs coming from south-eastern Alabama. I'll be stopping my first night in Beaumont, TX and the next day headed from there to Bandera, then the next day on to Alpine. Anything worth checking out in Beaumont?
Try it again but this time increase your RPM and modulate your speed with the clutch. MORE RPS. Snatchy throttle shouldnt be a probem. You should be relying on the clutch. You did a great job, though. And the bike is gorgeous and the review is even better. Seriously loving your videos.
Any riding school whether it be in the US or UK (or anywhere else for that matter) will say the same thing, bike control is all about using a combination of brakes, clutch and accelerator. The quickshifter doesn't even come into the equation .
He was in 1st gear the whole time if I'm not mistaken, so 2nd gear, a bit faster, and as if by magic the throttle would be smoother and the bike would soak up those rocks better. The suspension won't compress at such low speeds making the ride bouncy and awkward.
I keep seeing folks use the term "derived" a lot with CFMoto. I think many don't realize that the company manufactures components for KTM which include this engine.
Having ridden an Ibex 800, i can comforably say I'd take a Tiger 900 Rally Pro any day. I am biased, as I do own a Tiger 900 RP, but Ive ridden an Africa Twin, 1200 GSA, Ibex, and a few others. The Tiger handled some gnarly roads in Colorado with ease. I didn't get warm fuzzies from the Ibex, and don't know that I'd trust it on those same roads.
I took the plunge on a CFMOTO and I'm SHOCKED how great it is! I've taken the CL-X 700 heritage WAY off road and she's been outstanding! My new camping bike!
Awesome vid Spite!!! You're doing great on the channel bro. I'm rooting for ya!!! I love the Ibex; almost bought one... BUT i thought it'd be too much motorcycle for me, so I went with a 2023 V-Strom 650 "adventure." I'm pretty happy so far 😁
So here is a question for you. If CFMOTO is a Chinese company, made in china, yada yada. And it has a KTM motor in it... does this mean that KTM motor is made in China? Furthermore, I just need to know more about wtf is going on with CFMOTO and KTM. Like, WHY does it have a KTM motor in it? And why are there like 4 different brand variations of the KTM 690 SMCR. What the hell is going on out here in the KTM/CFMOTO world. Some weird and sketchy shit it seems like.
It's not weird or sketchy, it's just business. Oftentimes one engine factory will make engines for various brands, even make unbranded/"Off the shelf" engines based on other engines (cost can be increased or decreased by costumer by adding nicer or less nice stuff) that small brands can rebrand (CF moto is an in-house brand) This is done in every other sector like injection molding, bicycle frames, bicycle parts, soft goods etc etc. These factories often partner up with brands and make deals on minimum order quantities (MOQ), tooling and other stuff. Benefiting both the brand and factory. I suspect KTM has a deal like this. These factories are MASSIVE and insanely capable and modern. The western media has just brainwashed us into thinking China is still stuck in the 1800's, when in fact, they've flown past most western countries in almost every aspect. Buy a ticket to any 1st, 2nd or 3rd rank city in China and see for yourself. For reference, I work in design/manufacturing and have been to China 5 times for months at a time.
I love the bike. Taking a bike with KTM innards 50+ miles from society into the middle of nowhere does worry me a bit. The 790 seems to be a mixed bag in the forums. Many have had numerous gasket issues and issues stalling in cold weather with just a few thousand km. Others have 15k-20k km and say it's been great to them. 15k-20k is practically a new bike in my eyes. I can't say that impresses me at all. This engine has way more power than a Tenere but it seems more desirable as an enduro bike. Anybody have any long term experience on the reliability of the KTM 790?
This is where the Euro bikes are so superior... Clutches are not binary tools. Clutching should be all manner of shades of grey. But you have to design the right clutch for the right bike. Given the poor gearing choices and throttle mapping that @Spite did mention, I think his ADV training has not yet hit upon clutch feathering or he has not yet become comfortable enough with it to adopt it into his offroad toolkit. But that being said, this bike probably has a shit clutch that gives no mid engagement feel like a quality bike will provide.
Great video Spite! I have one of these as well here in Beijing, China. Had it for around 6000km now. I'm also a tall biggish guy and I feel that the rain mode takes away a little too much. Specially if we going off-road you do need a bit of juice to get over obstacles. The throttle feeling snatchy for me was solved by doing ECU software updates. The APP allows you to update it manually but for some reason the latest version with the "fix" was not available. Found out that I needed to go to the dealership so they could manually install it. In the end great video! Great bike!
That Ibex has the same engine as the 790 from KTM. There are some minor differences though but yeah, if the 790's throttle is "lively", that Ibex throttle will be snatchy.
When I took one for a test ride I also found the throttle too snatchy for my liking. I understand that CFMoto in Australia have an ECU flash to fix that but it is obviously not widely distributed. Ultimately I bought a different bike.
dirt and gravel roads is about the limit for a pig bike like that. Get a real trail bike if you want to ride trails and two track. Single cylinder 4 stroke and 350 -500 CCs. Doing some mountain biking down hill could probably help alleve you of fears going down hill, a lot. Gravity and momentum, when controlled, is your friend in overcoming most obstacles. That and reading and learning to pick good lines on single track.
I own this bike with 3000ish miles on it. Its not a good off road bike at all especially with factory tires. Also its too top heavy to be good off road, this bike when fueled up carries its weight way too high and makes balancing an issue when offroad. Its not necessarily the weight over 500lbs thats the issue just the way it carries that weight. Obviously on road the bike is great and comfortable touring upright bike and has cruise control and the heated grips and seat are nice as well.
Great review. I find it peculiar that CF did not include a offroad riding mode. They made such an obviously great bike but left that out. That and the fact that it's heavy enough for Spite to call it a "heavyweight" means it's probably a no go for my ole lady. Back to looking for a f750gs I guess. But the fact that you did that trail without a offroad mode, OMG. You are a beast!
Not a trail bike by A LOOOONG shot. Stick to roads and nicely groomed, hard, compacted gravel. Way too heavy. The bike was complaining the whole way and so we're you. 🤣 Every job takes a specialized tool, wether we like to admit it or not.
I like my R.E.Himmy for my daily rider,but looking for a better traveling bike,this could be my answer.Still looking at a Pan American,but $18 to $20k for one,not seeing it.
The big problem with the Ibex is not being able to turn off the ABS and it is really dangerous on big hard down hills. When I first got mine we ended up going down a lose hill like the seat was hitting me in the back .steep, and shale rock crashed twice on the hill as standing up and using the front brake for most of my braking the ABS makes you lose traction so you can't steer. I am going to disable the ABS with a switch and that will make a huge difference. The ABS is dangerous off-road.. Using motocross boots will make shifting hard so suit up properly. The bike takes a bit to get used to, especially with the throttle but once you master it its not a problem. Most fly-by-wire throttles are not easy.
Kind of funny how a big heavy off-road bike doesn't like. Kind of been my argument the whole time that's why I say the love is going to be the perfect adventure bike. A lightweight 450 with just what you need you're going off-road who the hell needs hard bags you put everything you need in a backpack and soft bags
It may have "features" but the features aren't tuned properly. Who cares how many ride modes it has, if they're all snatchy and all have traction control interfere with what you're trying to do? Spite killed the bike a bunch of times. Either he's terrible with the clutch or the mapping is reprehensible on this bike or the TC is nannying the user's inputs and killing the bike. 100hp with bargain basement mapping is going to get people killed. I'd rather have 40hp and no TC, like a KLR, than a 100hp machine that is unpredictable in mud and dirt. I own a Tuareg that I ride in dirt mode at lowest TC level most of the time, with rear ABS disabled. I'm not opposed to TC and similar tech, but it has to actually work.
Sorry. The only thing I got out of this video is that the motorcycles of Wallan pig, heavy breathing, Says weight doesn’t matter, but picking that thing up it certainly does .
Not interested in a chinese slave made bike at all, but great job riding that turd missle down that trail. I know recordings majorly mask the difficulty and steepness of offroad trails. I bet your gonna tackle more difficult stuff with KLR much better after that.
I would think the throttle in these types of bikes would be paramount. Of course CFmoto could be the best thing in the world - but - it is chinese. The masters of stealing and copying others. Their automotive "fakes" are a big part of this. I can never ever support them.
if not so heavy the other problem would not have been that bad. that was a little drop to bend the handle bar. hmm but i would stall purchase it long haul road riding where the weight add to comfort and control. im looking at a around trip Los Angeles to Virginia, west beach to east beach and back. stall in the planning stage. would you believe i was thinking a honda rebel to do the trip too, the 300 or the 500, "The small bike challenge throw USA."
saludos desde chile, Esa moto vino con el nombre de "CFmoto 800MT" en 3 versiones, (sport, touring y Explore) el ultimo viene con pantalla de 12" pulgadas, configuraciones extras, apple car y un radar trasera que avisa peligro inminente.
This is definitely not competing with the tenere 700 ! It’s completely a different bike made with the street in mind not the gravel ! That’s why it got the 19 inch in front and not the 21 ! I don’t know what y talking about..
Why are you riding alone?! A bad fall and you'd be lying around for a long time. Use a "buddy system". You can still vlog with somebody following behind.
You'd flow better if you use a higher gear (because it too snappy). Stand up and look further down the trail, not 15 feet in front of the tire. You won't be elevating your heart rate quite so high.
I own the Ibex 800 T. As for the throttle, you can perform a TPS reset: bike in neutral, key on, kill switch on, don't start the bike. Open throttle fully for 60 seconds. Close throttle, turn off kill switch, turn off key. That made a world of difference on my bike. Something that really bugs me about the bike is that a message comes up on the screen: MCU SYSTEM FAILURE. The dealership says it is not an actual failure and that cfmoto is going to issue a software update soon to fix the message, but it really bugs me.
First time I have seen this channel and happy to say the rider is a cool honest dude. An alternative for beginners middle entry is the new CF Moto 450 MT better design for off road
i was looking at this but at 200miles a tank for a 5 gallon tank and only a top speed of 121mpg ya no thanks that and it takes 89 octane+. out side of all the standard features its pritty crap bike. but all the stock tech is cool.
G, day cfmoto going to out do Japanese motorcycles I've had heaps of them they are great motorcycles no one likes them because they are scared of the name and don't no anything about them cfmoto are the company that makes parts for KTM and they decided to make motorbikes and they are good at it .
you dont want to always be standing especially if youre on a heavy more street oriented bike. sitting down with that weight on the rear wheel can stabilize you offroad
man i would love to ride with you. To bad I love in Central Mexico! If you ever wanna make the trip... you have a room, tour guide and garage at your disposal
Nothing wrong with CFMoto bikes. Just dont expect long term parts support for them. Parts are nonexistant for my V5. There website floods you with unrelated parts to hide that they dont make parts for older bikes. Some I can get aftermarket, but not things like plastics. So I would expect the same issue with these in a few years.
nah. they have a massive parts warehouse in the United States and I have had zero issues getting stuff for it. there's not a ton of aftermarket for them yet but I expect because they're cheap that there will be. their previous entry into the US market was very short lived. that's not looking to be the case this time.
@@SummitCoyote They have been importing off road stuff nonstop sense 2002. Motorcycles stopped 2012. As I understand it, because of legal trouble. None of their motorcycles met US safety standards, forcing a recall. But the Bike I have was produced till 2014 for other markets. They dont produce parts for it today. So no parts 10 years out. Parts are hit or miss on the ATVs a few years newer. Way to many "no longer available" parts on late 20 teen stuff. I am sure they have them for current production models, but long term seems to be an issue. Honda still sells plastics for some bikes from the 90s for comparison. Good to here their plastics are better now though. That was the worst part of the older bikes. They fell apart. A lot of the bikes are still ridable today, just missing all the plastics. When these new bikes are 10 years old, If parts are available, I will be willing to look at CFMoto again. But for now, I will buy something from a company still producing parts for their old bikes.
@@RebelCowboysRVs ive had no trouble locating parts for older cforce machines in the US either. I have friends who have several CFMoto ATVs and UTVs and they never have problems getting parts so I don't know where you're getting that information but it's false.
@@RebelCowboysRVs there's plenty of examples of Japanese and American brands that you can't find parts for from the manufacturer. it's mostly aftermarket parts and those companies are only going to produce things when there's a bunch of something they can sell it for. The original CF Moto's didn't really sell like these current ones are so they were very few of them to have an aftermarket for. this is very different.
@@SummitCoyote I got it from CFMotos website so if its false, talk to them. They are the ones plastering the words "no longer available" all over their website parts catalog. I said 10 years for a reason. Producing OEM parts for a minimum of 10 years is pretty standard. Its a legal requirement in some countries from what I understand. Even Victory after being shut down promised to produce parts for 10 years. CFMoto chooses not to do that. Just based off their website, it looks like they do about 5 years. That may change with the new stuff, but history is usually a good indicator of future actions. That has served me well over the years. But then, you have already said you take issue with that mindset. You do you.
Nice review, @Spitescorner! As an enduro rider, I guess that's not a hard trail, on the other hand, doing it with a heavy bike, it might be that the difficulty ratings change a lot faster. Anyhow, I'm also interested in buying maybe my 3rd bike, since I now "only" own a KTM 350 EXC-F dedicated to enduro riding and the Husqvarna Svartpilen for poodling around town. Thanks again for the great review.
Did you get to ride the KTM version? OTD prices are sounding pretty similar. Of course once you add KTM's Pay to play with features that are already on the bike that could make a difference.
@@hvymax, I personally didn’t ride KTM’s version. Honestly, I find that KTM is very expensive and not the most reliable, not to mention high maintenance. And I’m not talking here about the hard enduro KTM, but the Adv bikes. I know people who have them and it’s not cheap to run… repair or maintain.
What tires did it have on it for your ride, Spite? Here in NZ (where it’s called the 800MT) it ships with Maxxis rubber that was good on road but felt quite sketchy in basic gravel. There is a Expedition version that adds a lot of extra tech (rider modes, switchable abs and mtc) that’ll be released here soon so hopefully you guys in the US will also get that.
I've the same bike and yes, off-road I prefer put it in rain mode. Sport it to snachy. The laste firmware upgrade did a little bit better on that case but still... PS: You've got lucky with the tires. OEM are almost road only
I have one! I wanted a Tiger 900 and saved ohhh 7k getting this bike... I'm more of an on road biased rider and its awesome. It does need an mcu or throttle map update which I hear is coming... I added a GPS bar, Shinko 705 tires, windshield extender and Leo Vince exhaust. So much fun just go get one. Some dudes are out the door with hard bags for less than 11K....
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This was your best ADV video ever. There was difficulty, there was crashing, there was cursing, and there was ultimately success without injury and only slight bike damage! Great job man
Seconded
"I like riding heavy bikes".... said nobody that rides off road. 🙂
I use a ATV to drive offroad and mc to drive on the roads that's it 💀💀
If anyone is wondering....Spite is just as cool (probably even MORE cool) in person! I saw him at ADVfest probably within an hour after he did this ride. He is dedicated and Loves riding. I've been looking forward to this review from you! You understated this test ride when we talked about it! Awesome test ride! This will quash many who dismiss the origins of where this was made! You showed it can handle some rough stuff and you didn't drop parts or break anything. I will also attest that this trail is MUCH harder to ride than what the video shows. The camera doesn't capture the uphill and the downhill angles. If one is watching this and not actually riding it, then one might think this is not as difficult as it is. CF moto only allowed journalist-type to demo their bike at ADVfest...so I didn't ride it. But in talking to Spite and others guys...they all were not fans of the throttle mapping. All complained of the snatchyness....but knowing the way the Chinese do things...(they allow one to tinker)....hopefully it is just an easy ECU flash fix. Sooooo many features packed in this bike for the price! I hope I did mention that Spite is even more cool in person!
KLR is the Honey Badger of motorcycles. Backflip it down the hill??? KLR don't care. Endo at the bottom KLR don't care.
Honey badger don't give a shit!
go anywhere fast? never going to happen...road trips on a klr sucks but you wont kill it for sure
Tell you what guys, I'm a man that's willing and able... then proceeds to lay the bike down😂 Love it Spike!
I own one of these and bought it for the reasons you mentioned and you hit everything on the head. I have about 2K miles on mine both on and off. I haven't been on anything difficult off road because the stock ties are just not confidence inspiring. The throttle response is an issue on and off road, and yeah its not a rocket ship but, it is a ton of fun to play with the acceleration on the low end.
As owning this bike I can also list some other issues that most reviewers don't have the time with the bike long enough to know.
1. The MSU failure at low speeds. The MSU failure will shut the cooling fans off for reasons the community isn't entirely sure of but, for obvious reasons, this is an issue.
2. Accessories are over priced. I spent $60 on the tank pads and mother of God they were terrible and I took them back. The adhesive is separate from the actual pad and is like that stuff you get on the back of a credit card when you get it in the mail. definitely not worth it. I also got the bar risers for $60 as well. Those were worth it. The quality of the packaging and product was perfect.
3. Corrosion. The pannier racks on mine and another person that rides theirs on BDRs, the Ibex already have rust spots. It's barely 2 months old and it is not left in the rain. This worries me about the rest of the bike if I'm to be honest.
EDIT:
CFMOTO has recently updated the firmware for the MSU failure and the bike functions fine. You just connect your bike to the app and follow the instructions. Took 5 minutes and everything was fine.
Any other issues? I just test rode the Explore and thinking to buy it, was quite impressed with it to be honest.
@@psaunder1975 honestly after putting north of 3k on mine I would suggest trying the 800DE and seeing how that feels. If you want to off road or dirt road it trust me, get better tires asap
To compare weight of the Ibex to the weight of the Tenere, you have to either strip the Ibex of some components the Tenere doesn’t come standard with or add them to the Tenere to insure an apples to apples comparison
Here in Australia the IBEX is just called the MT800 and they recently came out with the "Explore" model which has a lot of added extras like a new dash, radar warnings etc. Last years model which is the one you're riding came out with fuel injector issues and mapping had to be re-adjusted by CFMoto after the fact to fix it. Apparently they did but it could still result in a less than smooth throttle response. Check out the Explore model for even more value (at the same price) and supposedly fixed fuel mapping.
800MT
Is it a reliable bike?
@@Mano__Tony I watched tons of this bike review and long term user and not one complaint the same complaints it have with KTM 790 Adv. Im getting this bike soon too, the Explore version. CFMOTO already resolved the snatchy throttle by latest update flash.
@@hatibudak3511 I bought mine … I am very satisfied ✌️
Also has 6 ride modes, you can disengage ABS and it comes with traction that you can disengage. This model that he’s driving has only two ride modes, no traction and ABS you can’t disengage. The Explore is also available in the USA as the Ibex E. It comes with Michelin Annekes. I want it for 90% on road and 10% off road that wont be extreme and Ive been told that the Ibex is phenomenal for commuting ands long highway rides which is exactly what I want.
Looks like a fun trail. I will say mountain biking is a good skill for ADV biking. Downhill is normally much easier because gravity is helping you. You just have to be willing to let the bike roll and stay balanced through the obstacles.
Big difference when youre riding a 500+lbs machine vs a 20lbs bicycle.
@jvillain9946 the techniques are the same, especially for downhill. Most of his difficulties on that trail were technique issues not trail or bike issues.
And a key skill that is practiced in MTB is picking a good line, and keeping momentum up. I raced MTB competitively (XC not downhill) and learning to flow with the terrain is win.
im a fairly new rider and started on a DR650 trail riding at age 49. I also have been riding mountain bikes my whole life. I am the only of my motorbike pals who can easily manage the downhills though they have much more experience. I had this conversation not 2 weeks ago and think you are right there because as they generally "fear" the downhill, i have been trained by MTB to love it.
@@PaulKind3d Same deal for me. Fairly new to off-roading (T7, started at 47yo), but 20 years of mountain biking and it has helped me a ton. While the skills don't really correlate 100%, the fact that you are used to the roller coaster ride feel, should know how to pick a line and position your body properly is a great asset. You still have to adjust to the weight and power of a motorcycle, of course, but it's a definite advantage.
Spites corner > Yammie noob
You are just stating facts that 99% of the riding community already know! But it's still nice to be reminded!!!
Wait… I thought the alligator mouth ate the smaller one…
@@Prosecute-fauci no it points at the loser
@@22smcrrider96 I have always disliked the alligator method… my 2nd grade teacher fucked me up for life with that damn explanation.
Never realized how important cardio is for these types of rides
Had a test drive already on this. The biggest problem is that it is extremely top heavy.
I have owned an 800MT for the last year and I find it not top heavy at all &
After owning a 2021 ktm 1290 super adventure r even with its low slung fuel tanks the ibex still feels significantly lighter in all aspects.
@cowmath77 The reality is that it is not top heavy for an Adventure bike, I have even had it in slick clay mud & have turned it around on hillsides and had no problems.
Maybe if You are only 5ft nothing tall it may feel heavy but then so would every other bike on the market. It seems to me as the owner of this bike that there is a bit of a slander campaign going online against it because it is such a good machine for the money & at its price point is a true market disruptor.
@@cowmath77my CFMOTO has been BULLETPROOF and has a warranty DOUBLE the length of any other bike on the market, what ARE you on about?
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@@cowmath77 dude, you are out of your depth and it shows.
I know; you THINK this is trolling, but you don't know a dang thing about motorcycle buying or selling.
No-one is comparing car and motorcycle warranties dude, and in six months I've racked up 2,000 miles, with half in the dirt and sand of Florida.
Keep trying to be cool, dude, maybe elsewhere tho.
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@cowmath77 It would appear to me that You may have a vested interest In the established brands. I get how that it makes established dealers unhappy as not only does it have the potential to cut deeply into the bottom line of their sales quotas but it also leaves them virtually nothing to upsell to a customer as it comes with everything already Such as heated seat & grips , up & down quick shifter, slipper clutch, cruise control ect & being from china any of the extra little add ons a customer may like to add to the bike can be purchased online for pennies in the dollar.
I have no vested interest in any brands as I am just a humble consumer with no bias & to anyone reading this all I can say is go & ride one & experience the value this machine brings to the table for Yourself.
F that too much work. I love fire roads and dirt trails not all that crazy stuff. Nope nope nope
Anything can be taken offroad...
Once.
CFMoto knows that they are doing, and so far they are doing it really well. They are making bikes that people are considering over some of the big brands, and that’s saying a lot about what they want to do.
Cf moto is ovepriced shit
I have owned the Ibex for 2 months and I have really enjoyed the features it has like cruise control, heated grips and seats, quick shifter, and the seat height is not to tall at 32.5 inches. I think for me the pros out way the cons
Personally. I prefer lighter, small bikes. Yes, age and personal bias. When I drop it and push it, I'd rather end up on the bike and not on a gurney or get a chopper ride.
Great video Spite. CFMoto released these deliberately in Australia first 12-18 months prior to the states to iron out any issues. The original one had a snatchy throttle however after a simple remap it basically disappeared. So, not sure why you are getting the snatchy ones. A trip back to the dealership will have it solved in 5 minutes. Good luck all as this bike is priced extremely well for both of our markets whilst the Europeans are paying a lot more for these when you factor in the exchange rates.
Do you own one personally?
If so who did the remap? The dealership?
@@majordelays4909 Yes. I’ve mentioned it needs to be taken back to the dealership.
Being a Tiger 900 RP owner, to compare the Tiger 850, which is really a road focussed bike, to an adventure focussed bike is apples to oranges. The Rally Pro is a whole different breed. If you can get a chance to put a Rally Pro through it’s paces off the tarmac, you gotta give it a shot. Then again, the RP costs 75% more, and well… you get what you pay for. Each rider has their own priorities, and what works for one may not work for another. In my search for a “Do-It-All” bike, the answer was clearly the Tiger 900 Rally Pro. And you are absolutely right, a 21” front wheel makes a huge difference in gnarly conditions. Properly set-up for off road, with over 9” travel F&R, plus ground clearance to match, the RP works competently/confidently in most all terrain. And at 451lbs(dry) it isn’t too much of a chore to manage. The CFMoto Ibex would be a good comparison to the BMW GS850, Suzuki Vstrom 800DE, Honda TransAlp, Moto Guzzi V85., and the Tenere 700. The class acts of the middleweights, Ducati Desert X, KTM 890 Adventure R, Tiger 900 Rally Pro, operate on another level IMHO.
Think what’s just about to throw a bomb in the middle of all you’ve said are two bikes that are yet to be fully tested by owners: the cf Moto 450MT and Kove 800, the later being 185kgs wet + 95bhp!
Man, I got to say: I love your honesty 😁
There doesn't appear to be anyone out there with you. Those rides alone in that remote forest can be dangerous and even deadly. In my youth I spend 15+ years riding in that stuff in the Arizona deserts and forests, but never alone. And my enduros were a lot lighter. I ate a lot of gravel and tore up a few blue jeans. Even pulled out a lot of barrel cactus spines from my legs but never any broken bones. Keep up the good work and be careful. I've had 24 bikes since high school. I'm 79.
This is the review I've been waiting for! I bought an Ibex 800 3 weeks ago and absolutely love it! I've ridden about 650 miles so far with zero issues. My only complaint is the handguards are plastic and because of the front brake reservoir I couldn't put my tusk handguards on it. I just ordered some Kenda big block tires for it for an upcoming campout!
Barkbuster hand guards are the go, fitted to my 800MT in Oz, same as your IBEX800
Just a side note, you're getting a lot better at off-road riding. I forget the last time I saw a video of you off-road, but you did a far better job here than the last time I remember, and the last one wasn't as hard as this one. Keep it up#
Also, I'm going to Alpine, TX the first weekend-ish of October, with my trip broke into legs coming from south-eastern Alabama. I'll be stopping my first night in Beaumont, TX and the next day headed from there to Bandera, then the next day on to Alpine. Anything worth checking out in Beaumont?
Try it again but this time increase your RPM and modulate your speed with the clutch. MORE RPS. Snatchy throttle shouldnt be a probem. You should be relying on the clutch. You did a great job, though. And the bike is gorgeous and the review is even better. Seriously loving your videos.
Any riding school whether it be in the US or UK (or anywhere else for that matter) will say the same thing, bike control is all about using a combination of brakes, clutch and accelerator. The quickshifter doesn't even come into the equation .
He was in 1st gear the whole time if I'm not mistaken, so 2nd gear, a bit faster, and as if by magic the throttle would be smoother and the bike would soak up those rocks better. The suspension won't compress at such low speeds making the ride bouncy and awkward.
I keep seeing folks use the term "derived" a lot with CFMoto. I think many don't realize that the company manufactures components for KTM which include this engine.
Yup its not derived, it is the KTM motor
"Derived" = Stolen from another manufacturer.
@@spartanx169x Its a licensed KTM motor. CFMoto makes them for KTM.
@@spitescornerDoes CFMoto makes the engine for the 890 as well ?
@@itsturbotime2994 Fair enough.
Having ridden an Ibex 800, i can comforably say I'd take a Tiger 900 Rally Pro any day. I am biased, as I do own a Tiger 900 RP, but Ive ridden an Africa Twin, 1200 GSA, Ibex, and a few others. The Tiger handled some gnarly roads in Colorado with ease. I didn't get warm fuzzies from the Ibex, and don't know that I'd trust it on those same roads.
That's fair, but you're comparing a high end Triumph that's coming in with an MSRP *twice* what the Ibex has, a $20k bike vs a $10k bike.
I took the plunge on a CFMOTO and I'm SHOCKED how great it is!
I've taken the CL-X 700 heritage WAY off road and she's been outstanding! My new camping bike!
Awesome vid Spite!!! You're doing great on the channel bro. I'm rooting for ya!!! I love the Ibex; almost bought one... BUT i thought it'd be too much motorcycle for me, so I went with a 2023 V-Strom 650 "adventure." I'm pretty happy so far 😁
So here is a question for you. If CFMOTO is a Chinese company, made in china, yada yada. And it has a KTM motor in it... does this mean that KTM motor is made in China? Furthermore, I just need to know more about wtf is going on with CFMOTO and KTM. Like, WHY does it have a KTM motor in it? And why are there like 4 different brand variations of the KTM 690 SMCR. What the hell is going on out here in the KTM/CFMOTO world. Some weird and sketchy shit it seems like.
I think I'll probably end up doing a while video on that. There's a lot to talk about there
KTM own 49% of Cfmoto
I believe the KTM thumpers (that is the 200 the 250 and the 390) are made in India and the 790 is made in China
It's not weird or sketchy, it's just business. Oftentimes one engine factory will make engines for various brands, even make unbranded/"Off the shelf" engines based on other engines (cost can be increased or decreased by costumer by adding nicer or less nice stuff) that small brands can rebrand (CF moto is an in-house brand) This is done in every other sector like injection molding, bicycle frames, bicycle parts, soft goods etc etc.
These factories often partner up with brands and make deals on minimum order quantities (MOQ), tooling and other stuff. Benefiting both the brand and factory. I suspect KTM has a deal like this.
These factories are MASSIVE and insanely capable and modern. The western media has just brainwashed us into thinking China is still stuck in the 1800's, when in fact, they've flown past most western countries in almost every aspect. Buy a ticket to any 1st, 2nd or 3rd rank city in China and see for yourself.
For reference, I work in design/manufacturing and have been to China 5 times for months at a time.
Enough for Chinese to lift all IP and trade secrets and then box em out and act like they’ve never heard of KTM
I love the bike. Taking a bike with KTM innards 50+ miles from society into the middle of nowhere does worry me a bit. The 790 seems to be a mixed bag in the forums. Many have had numerous gasket issues and issues stalling in cold weather with just a few thousand km. Others have 15k-20k km and say it's been great to them. 15k-20k is practically a new bike in my eyes. I can't say that impresses me at all. This engine has way more power than a Tenere but it seems more desirable as an enduro bike. Anybody have any long term experience on the reliability of the KTM 790?
Steady rpms use the clutch. Let the clutch become your accelerator in the rough stuff like that.
This is where the Euro bikes are so superior... Clutches are not binary tools. Clutching should be all manner of shades of grey. But you have to design the right clutch for the right bike. Given the poor gearing choices and throttle mapping that @Spite did mention, I think his ADV training has not yet hit upon clutch feathering or he has not yet become comfortable enough with it to adopt it into his offroad toolkit. But that being said, this bike probably has a shit clutch that gives no mid engagement feel like a quality bike will provide.
Great video Spite! I have one of these as well here in Beijing, China. Had it for around 6000km now. I'm also a tall biggish guy and I feel that the rain mode takes away a little too much. Specially if we going off-road you do need a bit of juice to get over obstacles. The throttle feeling snatchy for me was solved by doing ECU software updates. The APP allows you to update it manually but for some reason the latest version with the "fix" was not available. Found out that I needed to go to the dealership so they could manually install it. In the end great video! Great bike!
That Ibex has the same engine as the 790 from KTM. There are some minor differences though but yeah, if the 790's throttle is "lively", that Ibex throttle will be snatchy.
You were saying you prefer heavier bikes? 😅
When I took one for a test ride I also found the throttle too snatchy for my liking. I understand that CFMoto in Australia have an ECU flash to fix that but it is obviously not widely distributed. Ultimately I bought a different bike.
dirt and gravel roads is about the limit for a pig bike like that. Get a real trail bike if you want to ride trails and two track. Single cylinder 4 stroke and 350 -500 CCs. Doing some mountain biking down hill could probably help alleve you of fears going down hill, a lot. Gravity and momentum, when controlled, is your friend in overcoming most obstacles. That and reading and learning to pick good lines on single track.
Did you like the seat? Looks like you're more in the bike than on it when in a seated position.
I own this bike with 3000ish miles on it. Its not a good off road bike at all especially with factory tires. Also its too top heavy to be good off road, this bike when fueled up carries its weight way too high and makes balancing an issue when offroad. Its not necessarily the weight over 500lbs thats the issue just the way it carries that weight. Obviously on road the bike is great and comfortable touring upright bike and has cruise control and the heated grips and seat are nice as well.
Hey Spite, since you're into the ADV life are you looking to try a Norden 901? I guess it is basically a KTM at the end of the day...
Loved the versysquestion. he hade to just get the versys in there somehow XD
I think your being too kind to this bike. You get what you pay for and this is a cheap, overweight pretender...
10k USD? In Singapore, it's 3x the cost, sadly.. Such a burden to be a biker here lol
Great review. I find it peculiar that CF did not include a offroad riding mode. They made such an obviously great bike but left that out. That and the fact that it's heavy enough for Spite to call it a "heavyweight" means it's probably a no go for my ole lady. Back to looking for a f750gs I guess. But the fact that you did that trail without a offroad mode, OMG. You are a beast!
Not a trail bike by A LOOOONG shot.
Stick to roads and nicely groomed, hard, compacted gravel.
Way too heavy.
The bike was complaining the whole way and so we're you. 🤣
Every job takes a specialized tool, wether we like to admit it or not.
I like my R.E.Himmy for my daily rider,but looking for a better traveling bike,this could be my answer.Still looking at a Pan American,but $18 to $20k for one,not seeing it.
Definitely think I want one now. I want a road biased bike that maybe can do a dirt road. I'll get a dirt bike if I want to do the hard stuff
The big problem with the Ibex is not being able to turn off the ABS and it is really dangerous on big hard down hills. When I first got mine we ended up going down a lose hill like the seat was hitting me in the back .steep, and shale rock crashed twice on the hill as standing up and using the front brake for most of my braking the ABS makes you lose traction so you can't steer. I am going to disable the ABS with a switch and that will make a huge difference. The ABS is dangerous off-road.. Using motocross boots will make shifting hard so suit up properly. The bike takes a bit to get used to, especially with the throttle but once you master it its not a problem. Most fly-by-wire throttles are not easy.
Kind of funny how a big heavy off-road bike doesn't like. Kind of been my argument the whole time that's why I say the love is going to be the perfect adventure bike. A lightweight 450 with just what you need you're going off-road who the hell needs hard bags you put everything you need in a backpack and soft bags
Just gotta carry more speed, dude. It's the same story with mountain bikes; you crawl, you fall.
I can't believe this thing is 10k and with all those features as standard holey moley!
Right? It's a steal if you're looking for some touring and light offroad work
It may have "features" but the features aren't tuned properly.
Who cares how many ride modes it has, if they're all snatchy and all have traction control interfere with what you're trying to do? Spite killed the bike a bunch of times. Either he's terrible with the clutch or the mapping is reprehensible on this bike or the TC is nannying the user's inputs and killing the bike.
100hp with bargain basement mapping is going to get people killed. I'd rather have 40hp and no TC, like a KLR, than a 100hp machine that is unpredictable in mud and dirt. I own a Tuareg that I ride in dirt mode at lowest TC level most of the time, with rear ABS disabled. I'm not opposed to TC and similar tech, but it has to actually work.
Sorry. The only thing I got out of this video is that the motorcycles of Wallan pig, heavy breathing, Says weight doesn’t matter, but picking that thing up it certainly does .
Color me shocked. A ChiCom knockoff of a KTM that turned it into a top-heavy and improperly geared clunker with snatchy throttle. CSC RX4 much?
in your opinion do you think the KLR would have been easier in comparison on the trails that you took ?
Not interested in a chinese slave made bike at all, but great job riding that turd missle down that trail. I know recordings majorly mask the difficulty and steepness of offroad trails.
I bet your gonna tackle more difficult stuff with KLR much better after that.
I would think the throttle in these types of bikes would be paramount. Of course CFmoto could be the best thing in the world - but - it is chinese. The masters of stealing and copying others. Their automotive "fakes" are a big part of this. I can never ever support them.
if not so heavy the other problem would not have been that bad. that was a little drop to bend the handle bar. hmm but i would stall purchase it long haul road riding where the weight add to comfort and control. im looking at a around trip Los Angeles to Virginia, west beach to east beach and back. stall in the planning stage. would you believe i was thinking a honda rebel to do the trip too, the 300 or the 500, "The small bike challenge throw USA."
saludos desde chile, Esa moto vino con el nombre de "CFmoto 800MT" en 3 versiones, (sport, touring y Explore) el ultimo viene con pantalla de 12" pulgadas, configuraciones extras, apple car y un radar trasera que avisa peligro inminente.
It’s $ 10,500. For the spoked wheel version and 510lbs. Nope I’ll stick to my lighter Tenere 700
This is definitely not competing with the tenere 700 ! It’s completely a different bike made with the street in mind not the gravel ! That’s why it got the 19 inch in front and not the 21 ! I don’t know what y talking about..
Why are you riding alone?! A bad fall and you'd be lying around for a long time. Use a "buddy system". You can still vlog with somebody following behind.
You'd flow better if you use a higher gear (because it too snappy). Stand up and look further down the trail, not 15 feet in front of the tire. You won't be elevating your heart rate quite so high.
I own the Ibex 800 T. As for the throttle, you can perform a TPS reset: bike in neutral, key on, kill switch on, don't start the bike. Open throttle fully for 60 seconds. Close throttle, turn off kill switch, turn off key. That made a world of difference on my bike. Something that really bugs me about the bike is that a message comes up on the screen: MCU SYSTEM FAILURE. The dealership says it is not an actual failure and that cfmoto is going to issue a software update soon to fix the message, but it really bugs me.
Throttle reset helped mine!
21:29 exactly what I'm looking for. Thanks for the review and video!
First time I have seen this channel and happy to say the rider is a cool honest dude. An alternative for beginners middle entry is the new CF Moto 450 MT better design for off road
i was looking at this but at 200miles a tank for a 5 gallon tank and only a top speed of 121mpg ya no thanks that and it takes 89 octane+. out side of all the standard features its pritty crap bike. but all the stock tech is cool.
Congrats, excellent video. But the Bike is 100% made in CN. So nothing for me because of that.
I wonder why these dudes keep on riding 230kg motorcycles on trail. That is a course to an enduro bike.
Momentum is your friend, that and sitting when you need traction. The bikes fine, just carry enough speed to get you through the rough parts…
Tuareg is definitely a better off-road bike than a T7. JUSY SAYIN' 😊
Awesome video but you need to get a bit more speed. Light grip the bars youll get pumped to easily. Many miles of much worse
G, day cfmoto going to out do Japanese motorcycles I've had heaps of them they are great motorcycles no one likes them because they are scared of the name and don't no anything about them cfmoto are the company that makes parts for KTM and they decided to make motorbikes and they are good at it .
this bike is a adv but more for the road for travelling i like it maybe one day gonna buy it but my fjr1300 is superb 2002
Adv bikes are the new gym and 20x as much fun!😆 Top job mate.👍
Chinese motorcycle is a non starter for me. Hard pass. Not in this lifetime.
Every bike but a large cruiser looks small under Spike, which makes me wonder just how tall he is.
👍😜 شكرا تجربة طبيعية ولي رغبة ليست أكيدة في شراءه داخل المدينة
you dont want to always be standing especially if youre on a heavy more street oriented bike. sitting down with that weight on the rear wheel can stabilize you offroad
You are wrong about Tuareg. Tuareg is a better off-roader than Tenere. Now i do not trust anything you say about anything.
Love the look of the bike,cfmoto have hit the ball out of the court with the staunch look of their bikes,look Mile's better than those ugly Gs's
I wish the stock tires were a little more 'dual sport.' They're much more for touring.
Duuuuuude, review the Buell super cruiser!
24 minutes of telling us what we already know, it's a road bike 😊
Every notice how positive the commentators with 4 digits at the end of their user names are with cf moto? Just an observation.
أيضا لديك وصف وشرح حديث النفس😜 صادق وممتع👍
man i would love to ride with you. To bad I love in Central Mexico! If you ever wanna make the trip... you have a room, tour guide and garage at your disposal
Nothing wrong with CFMoto bikes. Just dont expect long term parts support for them. Parts are nonexistant for my V5. There website floods you with unrelated parts to hide that they dont make parts for older bikes. Some I can get aftermarket, but not things like plastics. So I would expect the same issue with these in a few years.
nah. they have a massive parts warehouse in the United States and I have had zero issues getting stuff for it.
there's not a ton of aftermarket for them yet but I expect because they're cheap that there will be.
their previous entry into the US market was very short lived. that's not looking to be the case this time.
@@SummitCoyote They have been importing off road stuff nonstop sense 2002. Motorcycles stopped 2012. As I understand it, because of legal trouble. None of their motorcycles met US safety standards, forcing a recall. But the Bike I have was produced till 2014 for other markets. They dont produce parts for it today. So no parts 10 years out. Parts are hit or miss on the ATVs a few years newer. Way to many "no longer available" parts on late 20 teen stuff. I am sure they have them for current production models, but long term seems to be an issue. Honda still sells plastics for some bikes from the 90s for comparison. Good to here their plastics are better now though. That was the worst part of the older bikes. They fell apart. A lot of the bikes are still ridable today, just missing all the plastics. When these new bikes are 10 years old, If parts are available, I will be willing to look at CFMoto again. But for now, I will buy something from a company still producing parts for their old bikes.
@@RebelCowboysRVs ive had no trouble locating parts for older cforce machines in the US either. I have friends who have several CFMoto ATVs and UTVs and they never have problems getting parts so I don't know where you're getting that information but it's false.
@@RebelCowboysRVs there's plenty of examples of Japanese and American brands that you can't find parts for from the manufacturer. it's mostly aftermarket parts and those companies are only going to produce things when there's a bunch of something they can sell it for. The original CF Moto's didn't really sell like these current ones are so they were very few of them to have an aftermarket for. this is very different.
@@SummitCoyote I got it from CFMotos website so if its false, talk to them. They are the ones plastering the words "no longer available" all over their website parts catalog. I said 10 years for a reason. Producing OEM parts for a minimum of 10 years is pretty standard. Its a legal requirement in some countries from what I understand. Even Victory after being shut down promised to produce parts for 10 years. CFMoto chooses not to do that. Just based off their website, it looks like they do about 5 years. That may change with the new stuff, but history is usually a good indicator of future actions. That has served me well over the years. But then, you have already said you take issue with that mindset. You do you.
Jesus christ Spite, you are a giant! Many of us REALLY care about weight offroad! 😬😝 - Frank
Nice review, @Spitescorner! As an enduro rider, I guess that's not a hard trail, on the other hand, doing it with a heavy bike, it might be that the difficulty ratings change a lot faster. Anyhow, I'm also interested in buying maybe my 3rd bike, since I now "only" own a KTM 350 EXC-F dedicated to enduro riding and the Husqvarna Svartpilen for poodling around town. Thanks again for the great review.
Did you get to ride the KTM version? OTD prices are sounding pretty similar. Of course once you add KTM's Pay to play with features that are already on the bike that could make a difference.
@@hvymax, I personally didn’t ride KTM’s version. Honestly, I find that KTM is very expensive and not the most reliable, not to mention high maintenance. And I’m not talking here about the hard enduro KTM, but the Adv bikes. I know people who have them and it’s not cheap to run… repair or maintain.
I feel like this was his first time off road of any size cc! Road with zero confidence
This view perfectly illustrates how useless big screens on bikes are 16:15
What tires did it have on it for your ride, Spite? Here in NZ (where it’s called the 800MT) it ships with Maxxis rubber that was good on road but felt quite sketchy in basic gravel. There is a Expedition version that adds a lot of extra tech (rider modes, switchable abs and mtc) that’ll be released here soon so hopefully you guys in the US will also get that.
Gee it has a KTM motor and you like the bike. What a surprise.
I've the same bike and yes, off-road I prefer put it in rain mode. Sport it to snachy. The laste firmware upgrade did a little bit better on that case but still...
PS: You've got lucky with the tires. OEM are almost road only
"next few bikes" would be the 800nk and 450nk..
I have one! I wanted a Tiger 900 and saved ohhh 7k getting this bike... I'm more of an on road biased rider and its awesome. It does need an mcu or throttle map update which I hear is coming... I added a GPS bar, Shinko 705 tires, windshield extender and Leo Vince exhaust. So much fun just go get one. Some dudes are out the door with hard bags for less than 11K....
I wonder if the nuts and bolts are made out of cheese like all the other chinese bikes
Its a vstrom 650 with ground clearance
@15:11
Are you secretly woody woodpecker voiceover guy?🤔😁
BMW F850GS: Zero features for $18000.