Electrician Problems - Quoting For Remedial Work From Someone Else's EICR
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- Опубликовано: 18 апр 2021
- Electrician Problems - Quoting For Remedial Work From Someone Else's EICR.
Join me as I discuss the challenges of being an electrician when it comes to quoting for electrical remedial work based on someone else's electrical installation condition report. I have recently had a lot of customers who have had EICR's done by other electricians contact us to ask us to quote for the remedial work to repair the electrical faults or non-compliances found during the inspection. In this video, I run through one such EICR did by a so-called competent electrician and highlight some of the flaws in his report and how challenging this makes it to quote for the electrical work.
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I did a training course a few years ago and they had a great phrase that has stuck with my career.
Don't hold your customer hostage to get repeat business; get repeat business by being awesome.
What they meant by that (in my trade) give the customer your code so they are free to choose any programmer they want. The customer will come back to you if you did a good job and show they you are a cut above the rest.
I think this sentiment carries over to your situation, the other spark is trying to hold the customer hostage by giving out a poorly worded certificate in the hopes they get the remedial because no one else will quote or they will come out higher based on the bad descriptions.
Keep being awesome!!
That’s great thanks for sharing 👍
Probably more to do with having to bang out 3 or 4 tests a day as little info as possible . One of the issues the agencies add anything up to 100% mark up when charging these back to the landlords. same with any other work , the sparks isnt daft he know the landlord will get thier own quotes in, the lad doing the test knows he's unlikely to get the work because he's going through the agent and will be too expensive other sparks will be quoting the landlord
@@steverobinson8170 I had this and refused to lower my prices and standards to accommodate the letting agency, let some other mug do it, plenty of decent work out there 👍🏻
I've moaned about this before but here's the other side of the story - EICR for a studio flat with nothing special - £264 inc VAT. Took him an hour. Remedial work required - a label on the CU plus install a bit of grommet strip (which the spark that fitted the new CU three years ago didn't bother to do) - £150 inc VAT. Forgive me if I don't feel sorry for you sparks !
We're not all charging like that mate. You should get some alternate quotes . Writing up a condition report takes longer than an hour.
CJR had the other day a video of a supposed electrician that lied on the EICR test results, and even gave wrong C codes
I wouldn't quote from that report I would provide a site visit to quote just like any other new enquiry for quotation.
That report is only fit for bum paper!
I never quote blind. If you do your not doing a proper job
You get there and find more faults. Or, you do the remedial, but a week later things are tripping all over, now you've put an RCD CU in because, the test results were bogus. But, you are pressured to put right all your, allegedly and incorrectly, useless work and your reputation suffers.
Add your own limitations on the quote or estimate and make it subject to a paid site inspection. At least the client will know you take your work seriously
That's the norm these days, and that's why I try to avoid them like the plague.
It's the governing bodies fault for letting them get away with it.
Yea definitely 💯
@@leewillelectrical5413 niceic napit iet all 💩💩😂😂😂
In my experience every box i encounter has great IP rating. I can't penetrate them at all :(
Why would you have limitations on a lighting circuit in a house? Unless they are LED’s and are hard wired. I do EICRs in industrial installations and my engineer says no limitations at all unless he agrees to it. Unless it’s an essential circuit that can’t be switched off. Unfortunately lighting circuits don’t fall in to that category. You want to try IR testing on lighting circuits with 30 fluorescent lights across 3 phases and no limitations
I started working for a housing association and and on my first day I was told by my supervisor that I was expected to complete three periodic inspection s and undertake the remedial work as well as traveling up to 60 miles to and from the dwellings a day i told him that he could stick his job where the sun don't shine and phoned the head of maintenance that I wouldn't be reporting for work again he asked me to think again and transferred me to a different depot. Who in their right minds can complete 3 occupied properties in 8 hours minus traveling time and do the job correctly.
I used to do remedials in schools and community colleges. One of their comments on the report would always be ‘numerous accessories damaged’. There’s probably 50 plus rooms. And yes they got the same insulation resistance value throughout the building. Wouldn’t trust the big commercial inspection and testing companies reports as far as I can piss. One time there’d got down ‘neutrals in earth bar’ but if you follow the conduit and take another cover off less than 5 meters away there earthed at that end as well and it’s just some redundant cables.
Same.... "broken socket outlet" .... thanks, I'll just spend a few hours looking for it then. Sometimes you then find out the school had it replaced already since the report was sent to you, because the caretaker noticed it
The biggest con I see on EICR’s is stating C2 for not having SPD’s fitted at the distribution boards.
I suppose it might be... For the TV...
@@travoltasbiplane1551 I disagree, no SPD protection for cables traversing the external/internal zones is a code 3.
I was joking my friend. :D
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I am not sure that the reason the EICRs that are so vague is to win the remedials. I honestly believe that they do not know how to carry out one properly. And likely not english as a first language based on his wording.
It strikes me that even with the best-conducted EICR there will be cases where the remedial works that you thought were required based on the EICR and the remedial works that actually turn out to be required to make the installation satisfactory are not be the same.
This of course gets far more likely if the EICR was badly conducted.
Nice one Jordon, as an electrician training to become an inspector this year hopefully this is really enlightening and helpful :)
I do them at £35 per mcb / fuse ( we sometimes have more than 1 circuit connected to 1 fuse / mcb. I am in Oxfordshire, I also charge extra charge for outside building and loft £45 for that circuit.
Spot on. As a layman I use yours and others’ videos to educate myself. I see now that stuff done in my house was not up to standard. I’ll never be hoodwinked by cowboys claiming to be competent electricians and with the stickers on their vans again.
Have a look at the inspections, the numbers next to the observation will give you an idea of where it is, the socket damaged is likely a shaver socket if you look at the number related to the inspection.. Agree some pics would be nice.
That's one of the crappiest EICRs I have seen and possible an £80 one. I wouldn't be so confident that they did it like this on purpose, most likely the guy is hardly qualified to do this kind of work and got most of his knowledge from Facebook groups.
Every time we get a call to quote for remedials it screams price shopper to me and most times tell them that don't do remedials on installations I didn't test.
For letting agents I don't believe they are not educated enough, they just don't give a toss regardless of how much we try to give them facts.
I did one for a landlord a few weeks ago, the installation was so bad that even the CU was blocked by part of a wall. Told the landlord it needs rewiring and couldn't care less. Probably found an idiot to do a test from the van and give him the all clear.
I agree that NICEIC (and NAPIT) should have taken it on them to spend money on educating the public.
Do you report a EICR like this to the relevant competent person scheme (assuming they're a member of one, which I don't believe there's any need to be to perform an EICR), and if not, why not?
"General Condition of the electrical installation" - Good
at 2:42 if you look at their ring continuity and R1+R2 readings, they are wrong / BS too. An r1 of 0.35 should give an r2 of around 0.58, GN3 says any difference of more than 0.05 should be a fault and .70 is 0.12 higher than it should be. Then if you do (r1+r2)/4 it comes to 0.26 which should be the very best you could achieve, but you get internal resistance from the socket etc making it higher
When quoting for the remedial work, charge an X-amount for creating the quote (since it wasn’t your own EICR). If the customer approves the quote, deduct that amount from the final invoice.
If you find that the EICR is way off once you’re ‘on the field’ with the customer, notify them and start discussing a proper solution with them.
And if the EICR is really poor, just kindly decline the request. That’ll show the customer you’re taking your job serious, and so should they.
All our inquiries for ECIR/PRS, we just send them a link to the Which? Trusted Traders site, which explains the whole process.
It is very rare that we don't receive the work, and the remedials.
You are spot on about giving the customer a clear and concise report with images, it looks more professional.
The R2 readings do not match the ZS at all
Well spotted! Another reason it's a bodge job.
I can't work out how they've got that PFC either, it seems very high for a domestic installation.
From the socket ring it looks like Ze should be 0.33. It might be a TNS so PFC might be higher LN than LE but it doesn't appear to add up to me?
I’ve seen the opposite where a spark has quoted 6 failures and para numbers and text. The customer has no clue what it means and it appears bad. However if you are in the know, you can guess it means no RCD on any circuits and a new a CU would fix it !
To use an MoT analogy, the tester can only write things based on the official standards, eg "OSF driveshaft gaiter allows water ingress". Advisories similarly have standard phrases. You pass or fail and may have advisories. Such a system would help to stop these vague or misleading EICRs - or electricians who apply their own standards and fail things that aren't a problem in regs just to make more work or just because they don't like it. MoTs are recorded centrally so standards can be monitored (eg a tyre shop always failing people so they can sell more tyres).
Yes, just had one >200 Meg at 500V L to L and L+N to E. I don't think so somehow.
Why does that result cause suspicions ? assuming the tester did protect the loads of course! I’d perform a L+N to E at 250V as a minimum if it was a busy installation. My Kewtech would show a max of 199M Ohm for a sound insulation.
If your quoting for a new CU (which I thought you would ) then the rest isn’t going to cost you a lot to change a light and socket. (As long as you have them on the van)
Hope IR readings are ok, I’d check them before I think about replacing the Board.
Andy doesnt matter, it still costs time and materials. If I'm on any job I price for ALL materials, down to the stuffing gland.
Always throw in a flat fee for fixings that I cant count individually such as screws plugs clips all round band
Great video Jordan! Some people (owners/landlords) just do not care. But others just do not know because like you said they are not educated. Time for the "Artisan movement" to educate the people on how it is supposed to go, and supposed to be done!😉
As I was watching through the video and at every thought you subsequent answered in the next sentence! I’m sure everyone has their own thoughts on the competency factor when it comes to this type of work / jobs. As you explained in the video about the time / cost element factor, I’d agree that whom ever did this job was definitely on a fly-by-night, if not on this occasion, on every occasion! Unfortunately I can’t help but think that the difficulty with this type of work that it is reminiscent of the cash-cow that was / is PAT testing; and that isn’t to knock the necessity of the work or subsequent unearthing (sorry, no puns) of any shoddy and sub-standard work needing remediation.
I love your rants because you expose other peoples shoddy workmanship
The real concern is if a Gassafe engineer screwed up they'd be investigated etc but when a sparky blatantly lies on paperwork what's the come back on them? Nothing, unless something goes wrong by which point it's too late
GasSafe are just as useless mate no fucks given!
There always is come back..
But consiquences take effort.
im a gas engineer and get it so much.. guys doing gas safety inspections from van or charging £30 for gas saftey inspection...
Wow interesting glad it’s not just us sparks who have this problem
@@artisanelectrics It is absolutely nothing to be glad about at all.😳
The IP rated light is either outdoors or in the bathroom I guess, but it's actually impossible to work with that little information. Very "detailed" information and the use of the word "box". Consumer unit...here we call that "Verteilerschrank" (distribution cupboard), for example the Hager Univers Z, and the small ones are Kleinverteiler (small distribution) for example Hager Volta or Vector, and in most cases just simply "Verteiler" (distribution). The Volta are for indoor use, the Vector are outdoor and rated IP65. And these designations are always the same, no matter if it's domestic or industrial.
I normally don't quote for any remedial works unless it's straight forward. Usually once you start on the remedial works you would often find more codes to sort out. I just say to the customer "give me time and I can sort it" If it turns out to be completely shot then I advise a rewire. It's not me that put the installation in that state! but i will help fix it if they trust me. We see some really shit work at the moment!
Had EICR at the property I am renting atm...had to make sure I hid my testing gear & tool etc. as didnt want the electrician know I also do this for a living.. started at the Board with was a old wylex with plug in circuit breakers no RDC's...He said it failed straight away...gave him a tick..lol, then ask for water & Gas bondings which were 10mm, he got another tick, he then tested all circuits at board Ring Finals, Lighting etc, did a loop test on upstairs lighting as I had already unscrewed a pendant light weeks ago due to water leak, he said that the pendant was faulty/broken...but i screwed it back up..he gave me a Look! big X for him, checked the airing cupboard as the central heating circuits are there, looked at it and walked away said that fine...didnt notice the twin & earth feeds to Fused spur etc were unsupported for a metre, easy to grab & tug if i had kids in the house! Big X C2 , Did he's r1, rn, r2 & R1+R2 at board for Rings and said after he notice my Fluke Volt Stick and asked if I new about electrics! he then said the company that he works for calculates the circuits once they have a R1+R2 or a R2 value along with the ZE, as he never took off one socket or switch in the property, and ground floor lights he took no Zs reading at any point, just maybe put down LIM or a reading below the Given!, didnt check for Cross bonding as no rcd in place etc....he was gone within 1 1/2 hrs with report complete, he had a nice Pad the store the info on...I'm old skool writing Pad & pen lol
Summery, he's company is manage by Letting Agents at the property i live in and they always look for the cheapest contractors, which I have been asked myself by agents what price I charge £200.00, for 1 bed flat more for larger properties, they always say it too much! so I can see why companies are in and out in no time!
How do you do an R1+R2 at the board for a sockets ring ?
At around 5:00 you say 'not fire rated', but earlier, the EICR says 'fire rated' - I'm not an electrician, but that seems to be another thing wrong on the EICR
Nice video, anyone who has done their 18th edition now can go for nic registration regardless of doing your inspection and testing course, some people can test alright but not great inspectors of an installation which takes experience
That's the trouble,according to the certificate the customer only looks at what was marked at fault is c2 c3 which to them doesn't look much to do,they no way put dodgy readings to put other sparkies off,they did not have a clue,if it's a nic report send it to the nic 👍
I personally think those vague reports are just a result of a lack of competence and care. It sounds like the guy who wrote the report you're talking about just fundamentally didn't understand what they were doing, or even how to fill in the report.
Poor English is a bit of a giveaway too.
You quote work that is listed and new EICR, if anything else is found that would go by hourly rate.
Those inquiries are always from price shoppers. I refuse to waste my time even quoting those kind of jobs. I just tell them, don't do remedials on installation I haven't tested myself
Great Video - You remind me of Steve Rogers AKA "Captain America" always doing the right things for the right reasons! Keep up the fight Cap! You have a lot of support out there, and could not agree with your comments more!
Great video, glad we chatted about it on your Instagram live video the other day!
totally agree with you jordan
I clearly state that I provide an honest and thorough opinion of the customers installation, providing a colour pdf file of there certificate and images of any problems I find. I also state that I remove and check behind a minimum of 10% of all fittings depending on the state of the installation and when it was last tested. I also now state that for safety purposes I also check the tightness of every terminal within the consumer unit and will make sure that it is up to manufacturers recommendation for the unit. I charge £30 per circuit for this
The form software probably forced them to put a value in for rcd test time, hence 0
NICEIC online software allows to put 'N/A'
Very intresting video, one main reason why I did not finish my practical for my inspection and testing course was just for this situation. I wanted not to ball s###t the test which most people do as a newbie. Trouble is it's back fired on me I wished I did bull s##t now. I wanted to do it right a proper inspection. In some ways it's like the old bossa mot. Now it's changed and you have no choice to drill down to the correct section and fault catagory, but I suppose that's software, like say a reading was not correct it could not allow an entry or even maybe high lite it make you rethink. But I think it's education to slowly get rid of bad greedy electricians. Unfortunately it's money that causes the problem. My opinion only.
‘The results are shocking’. Quite possibly literally. 😱
You don't take any notice of that shambles, contact the customer and tell them it is not worth the paper it's written on. I'd be sceptical of all the results given that they can't even fill a cert out correctly. There could quite easily be faults on those circuits that would cause an rcd to operate. Seems like the customer is looking for the cheapest quote and no doubt the clown that filled that out will get the work and leave the installation in a worse state than it was in to start with.
I've had quite a few where landlords have had someone in to do work but surprise surprise they don't have any certs.. Got one a few weeks ago that had a new consumer unit, no glands or gromet strip half of the mcbs were Bg half cint, no main bonding one rcd bypassed and nothing tight at all. Told the customer it was a shambles and got accused of trying to generate work as apparently the guy that fit it 2 months earlier was just as qualified as I was. I told them they should have a cert already if its just been fit and the work is notifiable it was only when I offered to check with the council to see if it had been notified that I got paid for doing the eicr.
Tesco value EICR , buy one get one free. With double club card points
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@@florianmehmeti9529
*Offer !
😂 this got me
Yeah, but the Tesco product you end up with is likely to be useful, you can see what you're getting, and you can still get a refund if it's faulty. Oh, and it probably won't kill you.
What is the point in being a member of the NICEIC or the like when they are allowing this type of workmanship to carry their names?
I cancelled my membership of NAPIT six years ago, and I don't think I've lost any work by keeping my distance from these organisations.
It would be interesting if the government were to do an audit of all the recent EICRs which have been submitted to Building Control, they might realise what's been going on.
Surely they should have tested 100% of the install? You might only be able to visually inspect a % but if you're testing properly you're testing EVERYTHING, otherwise why bother?
not always possible , sockets behind furniture / cabinets etc
@@steverobinson8170 that's visually inspected though I said tested maybe not 100% but often you can at least look behind using a torch & see its not smashed or has black soot stains up the wall. That excuse is bandied about too often. Had a guy do the place here "furniture in the way" total lies only 3 sockets in lounge 1 double & single both nowhere near furniture, upstairs bedroom sockets behind doors so not possible to put furniture there & then just the kitchen. Also easy to find as all trunking mounted so watch for cables coming down from ceiling. I've seen so many done that way & seen the furniture layout afterwards I think was ONE socket behind a display cabinet at one place & he listed limitations as many behind furniture. I saw one where socket was at the end of the sofa, not behind it next to it you can reach down whilst seated & plug things in, limitation....
Trouble is those companies that win contracts either push staff to be terrible or just employ terrible staff. Almost every time I've had such dealings there's been excess excuses.
@@norfolkngood8960 Its a nice little earner for them because no one ever goes round and checks the work , i was offered one on one of our properties , done over the phone , just send them a few snapshots of the consumer board and basic layout , £90.00 apparently they can test remotely now .
@@norfolkngood8960 We get a few where they have got a big double width range cooker etc, so on your own you can only test up to the cooker switch not the cooker connection, so the part between the switch and connection plate isnt tested. Same for some washing machines etc, you turn up and they're doing washing, switch circuit off half way through cycle leaving washing machine full of water and wet clothes, that aint getting moved across a lino floor on your own, so you cant test the socket behind it
I'm not an Electrician but it would be interesting to see the responce if any, if you said, " I couldn't possibly provide a quote for remedial work on such a vague IECR and a site visit would be neccessary at a cost of £££".
It’s only down to pure luck, that most of these EICR chancers get away with it. There has to be more legislation in place with regards to compliance of electrical installations for letting agencies. I see the same things, vague paperwork, made up results, wrong or inappropriate data input, imagine if you filled in your passport form with the same attitude, you’d have it sent right back, but with our industry it’s okay apparently? People can and do die from electric shocks. Nearly every old 3036 fuse board I open is wired beautifully, and immaculate most of the time, and anything “ new” these days its a lottery when you take that cover off.
Nice idea.. You need an inspection check multimeter on the Fuse and Main panel from outside. How much voltage and amp most important You will know write down on lists. Thumb up! Cheer!
I would have some language in your contract that here are the assumptions of costs, based on the lack of detail in the report. I would also include line item that if you find any major discrepancies from the published report the cost will change and a new EICR will be required. Its best you don't put your name on that work unless you can stand behind it. What happens when the house burns down, and the last guy to touch it was you! Its a no win, for either you or the owner. If he as made things up as you assume, and I would think you are correct as well, and that would either walk away from it, and write off the loss, or bill for a service call out and let the original guy do the work and put his butt on the line.
Works like this, Landlords got his certificate so he/she complied with law, so any shit lands on your door step , house burns down landlord doesnt care its your insurance paying for the rebuild, your insurance covering all losses he/she home and dry not landlord getting procecuted
It’s the same with oftec for oil boilers we had an issue of our boiler not being serviced correctly and they did not want to help or seem interested what’s the point in rules and bodies if there is no comeback for customers or genuine hardworking traders
had one last month. customer wanted me to price for a fuseboard change, as previous electrician stated it needed doing in the report no rcd etc etc, i must admit the report was done very good and listed everything, so it was detailed. turnt up on the day carried out the works. put the RCD on, BANG Neutral to earth fault. so im looking at this guys report and all insulation values are correct and within parameters. I put my meter on and dead Zero. bigger fool me for not checking prior to changing the board, first and only time this will happen to me lol. anyways it ended up being a nail in the wall but i know for a fact the guy didnt check the faulty circuit. just goes to show dont it lol.
It’s a vicious circle Gov makes landlords have to have these EICR tests even on relatively new builds but there aren’t enough genuine thorough electricians to do all the work if anything all the BS and middle men tactics is scaring the good guys away from the trade and making the situation worse and worse whilst driving up prices for tenants!
I've found that Landlord's are chasing the cheapest EICR and if you tell them that on average it can take up to half a day or more depending on the installation and if occupied. They don't understand the process. This smells!
If a new "box" is required, I always insist that undertake our own EICR... On a side note, those IR readings have definitely been made-up.
If this is listed as BS88-3 chances are the consumer unit is something like a Hager cartridge fuse unit (likely plastic) or older. If it's older more likely to be metal though. Got to admit I have a habit of put a % for accessories and not always remembering to list them, though most of the time I will just test everything that's not hidden in a void and accompany reports with photos as quite often I'm testing the Gas installation at the same time.
More likely the person carrying out the EICR hasn’t got a clue.
You write on the quote "costs are based on findings from EICR report 11111A...any unexpected costs and labour will be discussed with client prior to additional works being carried out"
You're welcome.
Age of installation, then?
I've been stung a couple of times doing remedials from EICRs done by a third party. I won't do it any more.
The NICEIC do not include EICR’s as part of there annual inspection of electricians. They only deal with installation certificates. You therefore don’t get feedback on EICR reports you have written.
I think you mean domestic installers. Approved contractors have eicrs assessed.
Governing bodies should be doing EICRs.
Surely if the electrician who did the Eicr was after the remedials, his quote will be less than yours, as you will have to quote worse case scenarios,and at you wont get the job anyway, they are just wasting your time.
Yes. Managing agent instructs us to do EICR's at Ermm maybe 100 sheets. They then charge their client 250 plus vat.. Twats
I think the reason electricians are doing this is because they know Landlords are then taking there EICR to get other quotes. Poor EICR certificate but am shocked you would not want to go out and check the install yourself before quoting.
It’s a bit like my sockets an switches every on I’ve looked at wire have either come out,Loose or just not done up even down to pendants wiring was loose. Shocking what landlord and agent get away with
Blow the whistle on the letting agency and report them to the HSE. They'll be on them like stink.
The letting agency will show the HSE the link on the government website that tells them that membership of a Competent Person Scheme means that a contactor "meets strict entry requirements, their work is regularly assessed, demonstrating their ability and ongoing competence, and that it meets the correct standards."
It seems the HSE should then look at who has been running these schemes, and maybe the government which has authorised the scheme operators.
@@westinthewest excellent description of the pathway of no help. It’s a money-go-round with no discipline or teeth as far as I can see. Very disappointing considering the safety aspects involved.
Dream on...
It would be better use of your time (2 minute standard email) to encourage the Estate Agents to seek redress through the appropriate regulatory body, on the basis they paid for a service and received a sub standard service and report. Hopefully they will get their money back and pay you to do the EICR correctly. If competent electricians do not do this then the situation of ‘drive by EICRs’ will continue.
Look at CJR RUclips channel last week. He ran similar problem with installation upgrade
That has got to be a drive by EICR. Too many are being undertaken. Probably did a basic visual without doing any actual testing.
It is getting out of hand. Companies and even self employed electricians charging a cheap price for an EICR which only takes an hour will not only cause risk to the customer as they are not doing the correct testing but it's also opening up a huge can of worms for those who go in behind and try to make sense of what crap they put on the report.
I'm not sure it contributes much to the problem, but the period (28days?) for remedial works to be carried out may also be forcing landlords to the incompetent "electricians."
I'd just throw that thing in the thrash bin Jordan. You get enough of good work that you don't need to be quoting for that .You should have been doing the eicr in the first place anyway.
These EICR reports seem on the whole a good thing. However I would have thought that there would be a clause to use the inspecting company to complete the follow up work if any was required, or start from scratch with a new EICR. That would stop all this carry on wouldn't it?
Unfortunately that doesnt work, as the inspector could make up faults and "rectify" them. At least with the report and asking other companies for quotes, these made up faults might get highlighted.
don't quote for them simple. stop bellyachin. every time your bellyaching about somebodies work.Pain in the arse
To many sparks now only care about money, and one hits ..a EICR takes at least half a day , there are lots of imposters out there but even some trained sparks are doing it for money well I call it greed .. some of the reports I’ve seen ( by hand ) you cannot understand the writing , scribble yea I am old school and I retire this year , but I will say there are a lot of excellent sparks like yourself out there .. and. Thease videos will help .. people make the right choice ...
I am confused, at what point when counting number of points served on a circuit do you give up? Is it 8 or 10?
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Maybe Jordan you can hand your qualifications to your local building control so they are aware your “competent” and cancel your membership to niceic. Maybe you could use your status to prove a point. Every RUclips spark has done a video complaining about these dodgy eicr’s but what happens?? Nothing. Take a stance and actually do something about it?
Then you wonder why the public have no faith in so many trades men in the building world when clearly thousands of EICR's are fundamentally worthless.
1. How can you possibly quote for remedial work without seeing the property.
2. These reports fail to comply with standards expected by any registration body and BS7671 -
I would report this shoddy work to your registration body and seek guidance.
The whole point behind Part P was to raise standards.
What you are reporting here flies in the face of the requirement for competency, and demonstrates a very low standard of working practice. Bullying by landlords and letting agents must not be tolerated.
Registration bodies need to present appropriate information and raise awareness, to the general public on this issue.
Without stricter monitoring and control from the registration, bodies, the general standard of electrical installation work will decline in the rented sector, potentially putting lives at risk.
Lovely chat for my cuppa and Topic bar Jordan. Thanks 🤩
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Nice bro
On a couple of TT systems recently, when trying to RCD test 5 x IΔn on a circuit, my megger will not carry out this test due to touch voltage being >50v. What`s you opinion of what to do in this situation?
Very strange, I’ve not come across this before. Maybe ask Megger and see what they come up with.
Hi Harley , it's because the loop impedance is to high and the meter wouldn't allow you to put 150mA or more to earth for touch voltage reasons , what was your loop impedance ?
I'm no electrician so don't take this as gospel but I would suggest connecting the testers earth probe to the incoming neutral. This should allow you to test the RCD independently from the earthing system.
This technique should also allow you to test a RCD that is downstream of another RCD.
@@petermichaelgreen you should be an electrician most wouldn't no that believe me , your dead right in what you say
@@Mainly_Electrical Thanks for your help, Earth loop impedence reading on the circuit was 222 Ω. I am an apprentice so just trying to understand the best way to address this. Apologies if this may seem obvious to the experienced electricians!
I think you answered your own questions !
Why would you be guessing and not going to site and getting the specifics??
He'd need to do another EICR to get the answers to all those questions. Pointless just wandering round trying to find a broken socket.
When the customers ask for a estimated cost for the remedial work tell them that you will do your own EICR then quote for the work explaining the reason. That way it's their choice.
Problem is many of these eicr are drive by £85.00 All landlords want is a cheap certificate with little if any remedial's
Surely you can only quote by inspecting the site otherwise you risk quoting for work that’s not required. If it’s not worth a visit why quote? You risk being column fodder - providing a quote when you have no chance of winning. Wasting more time providing quotes than focusing on business you can and want to win.
I like the lamp
What I find is that they are after a cheaper price as they think the original guy is creating work - minefield
That report is toilet paper! Generic report found online that they copy and paste and if they remember they change the date. Wipe your ass with it! These greedy estate agents/landlords are to blame. They don’t give a f*#k about the poor sod renting the place just £££.
Visit site and do the EICR yourself before quoting. Certificate not worth the paper its written on. Had one like this last week and just walked away. How can you say it's a days work?
It's not a certificate
Is there no professional organisation who can be brought in to examine these and pursue the company if necessary.
Light the blue touchpaper, why don't you... :-)
"The results are shocking"
Potentially, quite literally, for some poor tenant or home owner :/
And sadly it isn't a one off case...
I hope you get the job and we can see how your guesses reflect the reality. 👍
so whys it impossible to unplug everything then?
Its not but time constraints make it difficult, you would have to take Neon indicators in switches out of the circuit, every lamp in the lighting circuit, disconnect electric cooker etc
@@codenamenel true,foreget how much fun i used to have hunting drivers and tv boosters late on but always got there. 5 years fixing vintage buses and id kill for a good hunt again,i miss house bashing .
Bigger the disaster the more fun ;-)
Retest or don't bother