Truly, as I mentioned in a comment not so long ago on the same video, I now have both of the amplifiers, of course and love them both using them for different reasons but no doubt fantastic I don’t miss the harshness of my marshals. I still have my Friedman Shirley, but that’s the only amplifiers now that I use it all truly are those three thank you again. This demo truly helped me make a decision and now I have everything I want it just took a while because none of them are cheap and you get what you pay for in this world, but these are definitely pro level And I have put them on the road as well and had no troubles. Great stuff thanks guy demo as usual. 4:34
As usual, I'm late to the party. I had a Mesa Boogie Fillmore and loved it. I ended up selling it years ago. I just bought a Morgan MVP 66. Although this video is not the 66, its so incredibly helpful and confirms the thoughts I had of the Fillmore.
Making sure the onboard speaker is going into the Adam load will allow you to use the Iron Man mini power attenuator for 30 W and under amplifiers. This could be another option for folks who are trying to overcome that hurdle and trust me. It’s a reactive load attenuator just like the high end Iron Man and also you have the bad cat attenuator as well which comes in around 400 bucks The Bugera PS1 will knock it down to 50% power so you’ve knocked it down there to a 5 W amplifier and at 2 W still going to be fairly loud but no doubt preserving tone. I think you could dial in some pretty decent. Sounds even if you had to add a tube screamer to get where you wanted to be but definitely I’ve used it myself with the Bad cat and I bedroom tones and it is no problem having it on board. The doctor see attenuator can be put inside of the amplifier another option. Truly, there are some lesser expensive options because otherwise most of the higher in amp do not have fantastic power scaling no Friedman amps have it however they have a great master volume, but so does the boogie Still there is no guarantee on drives what you’re going to get for a tone “bedroom tone“ lol 13:2213:2713:35
Looking at this as I am looking forward to purchasing a Filmore 25. But I must admit that Panda shirt equally has done a great job lifting that heavy weight. A real Champ!
This was extremely helpful. Both are/were on my consideration list. Not sure if either are for me exactly, but they both are fantastic at what they do. Thanks!
Perfect comparison !! You addressed every issue i had. Thanks for the great vids you nail it every time. I feel more educated now in my purchase of one of these epic amps. I was amazed that at one point you even played a little riff that i play as well on the E chord. It was like we were sitting in the same room! Thanks James
I actually am going to trade my Morgan for the boogie Fillmore truly it is certainly more versatile. I do prefer the solid-state rectifier and the power scaling on the MVP as I think about it more and look at the pricing actually may just keep them both fantastic blues without a doubt, I have played my MVP 23 for about two years now in practice and rehearsal of course I use some hall reverb and a little delay. Truly, I was told if I could get the sound I wanted dry then I could get it anywhere anytime so that’s how I practice either way great killer demo killer tones, loving these amp man the Fillmore point to point hand wired it does have PCB board in it as well. In certain places there is some hand wiring. The sockets are wired, but still not completely thanks. Damn thing sounds like a beast man you’re killing it. Think I will run the Fillmore through the MVP and through 2 x 12 Friedman that should be an interesting result listening to this is giving me great ideas Fillmore on its way thanks, Cuz. 16:50
Thank you for the great work! I have a MVP23 for 2 years now and i'm loving it. Next will surely be a Two Rock Studio Signature, a Mesa Boogie Fillmore, a Hook Lenny... or another Morgan, like a PR12. I think that the cleans of the Morgan are really great, with some "balls". I'm mainly a strat guy and i usually have bass at 13, mids at 13, Treble at 11, vol at 14 and gain at 10.
Yeah, i probably could have finished with: if you already have american style amps that you love, and pedals you love, then go with the Morgan as it is really in its own class 👍🏼
Just found this channel love it, I’ve got the MVP but I prefer my Morgan AC20 as it has a more luscious sound not that that’s a musical term but it’s the only way I can describe it.
Considering both of these. I'm preferring the way the Morgan sounds a lot in this video, even though it's less versatile. Morgan sounds better at low volume. Thanks!!
I love both amps... I have a biased with Mesa, but the Morgan MVP is the MVP here (IMHO, pun intended :D ) I’d love Mesa to release a mini California 25 head... apparently the Fillmore and California were developed around the same time and using some similar circuitry (and same 6V6). So a small Cali-Tweed:25 head, similar to the Mesa Mark V:25 would be awesome.
Do you find that the Fillmore has much background hiss? I have heard people complain about the “Mesa hiss” with other models. I like quiet amps! Oh and I absolutely love the fawn covering on your Fillmore 25!
I think alot of players need to put away their snobbymess and Cork Sniffing Altitude that I once had That only vintage and handwired Boutique amps can only sound good! They need to become aware and shake off that cork sniffing attitude And understand that a Mesa boogie amp is built like a tank with high quality components and the circuit is something of beauty and Genius and Quality like no other Mesa Boogie is a Professioanl Amplifier and A musical instrument on its own. I MYSELY CONSIDER MY MESA Boogie every bit a Boutique Sounding ampand Boutique Quality Build inside and out For YearsI have been Enjoying my Lonestar Special . But lately Ive wanted to try something more American sounding After watching a few videos from James I finally pulled the trigger and ordered and Purchased a brand new Boogie amp A Fillmore 25! Love the size and shape and sound of coarse from what I've seen as I haven't played one yet . Also Love that it looks alot more simple without tons of Bells and whistles. Dont get me wrong I m keeping my lonestar special as I live the El84s also But I love that American sound thst you really can't get with an amp using el84s So the fillmore has a pair of 6V6s, I wonder along with its circuit if I will notice the different sounding tubes? I'd love to keep my comments much shorter working on it Great video Cheers!
I know they are worlds apart in cost but is there a way you can compare the Fillmore to one of your Two Rocks? And maybe what the best is for home use. Thanks for the awesome videos! Keep them coming!
I’ve been thinking about it actually. I just dont want to make the Mesa look bad - I’m not saying it definitely would, but the Two Rock amps are hard to compare to! It would probably make a good video and help some people make a decision either way though! I’ll work on it 👍🏼
@@JamesOnGuitar I totally agree that, other than a Dumble a Two Rock is pretty much king, if that is what you are into and going on your gear and the people it will bring to your channel I think most will agree. Id like to see how close a Mesa Fillmore will get to a CRS. And if spending double or triple is with it or will a Mesa get you 90% there. But of course it’s all subjective.
As you know James, I love the Morgan. It just sounds way better to me. If you want another channel just step on the drive pedal of your choice, you need to step on the footswitch for the Mesa too. Same with the reverb, step on your fave reverb. No effects loop, don't care, never used one.
I love them both! You’re right, valid points... there’s never just one way to lay out all the possible thoughts! As i think i implied, the morgan probably has the best tone, but it is subjective! Anyway, thanks for putting me onto the amp in the first place 👍🏼
I Think ... Mesa Boogie Wins for me anyway , Thank you for this great video super super useful for me right as I'm trying to buy my first Tube Amp :) cheers .
Hi all, SORRY, at around minute 9 i mention the lowest db you can really use the amps at, but forgot to include the Morgan numbers. I got it up to 112db and down to around 76-77db using the power scaling and it still sounded good! Cheers 👍🏼 ALSO, i've just noticed the video ends a bit abruptly... just would have said to publicly subscribe and comment to enter the BB Preamp giveaway, which I will give away at 2500 subs!
@@JamesOnGuitar difficult: very unique sound, so I see no real alternatives. I would think about a Two Rock, Fender Super Reverb (very problematic if we talk about attenuation), maybe prs David Grissom Model
Hey! That question is always hard to answer, not knowing what type of band and venues. Generally it is going to be enough, but being that the 50 doesn’t cost too much more, if clean headroom is the goal that might be a better option. Cheers
do you really think mesa boogie and morgan (with boutique amp distr) are always boutique amps ??? I don't think... they are juste expensive and sound great but boutique far away I think
Totally get your point! I guess they are not as personal and handmade as the more pricey boutique amps, but on the other hand the ambition and philosophy behind them fits that idea of being boutique as opposed to mass produced. A fine line i think...
I agree in general - except one thing, if you zoom out a couple of levels these are a similar price and plenty of beginners still look at this price point (relative beginners i mean) and may not have any idea what sort of amp they want. Hopefully it helps someone 🤞🏼
Very useful thanks James. I've not considered the MVP23 before, it sounds superb. You're doing a great job with these videos!
Thank you 👍🏼
Truly, as I mentioned in a comment not so long ago on the same video, I now have both of the amplifiers, of course and love them both using them for different reasons but no doubt fantastic I don’t miss the harshness of my marshals. I still have my Friedman Shirley, but that’s the only amplifiers now that I use it all truly are those three thank you again. This demo truly helped me make a decision and now I have everything I want it just took a while because none of them are cheap and you get what you pay for in this world, but these are definitely pro level And I have put them on the road as well and had no troubles. Great stuff thanks guy demo as usual. 4:34
Just began watching and I’m so pumped to watch this!! You have become a staple for my viewing!! Can’t wait for more people to catch on mate!!
😁 thanks man, that’s great! 🤟🏼
I've had my Fillmore 25 for 2 weeks now and I seriously wonder why I even need gain pedals (other than fuzz) anymore. It is so delicious.
As usual, I'm late to the party. I had a Mesa Boogie Fillmore and loved it. I ended up selling it years ago. I just bought a Morgan MVP 66. Although this video is not the 66, its so incredibly helpful and confirms the thoughts I had of the Fillmore.
Making sure the onboard speaker is going into the Adam load will allow you to use the Iron Man mini power attenuator for 30 W and under amplifiers. This could be another option for folks who are trying to overcome that hurdle and trust me. It’s a reactive load attenuator just like the high end Iron Man and also you have the bad cat attenuator as well which comes in around 400 bucks The Bugera PS1 will knock it down to 50% power so you’ve knocked it down there to a 5 W amplifier and at 2 W still going to be fairly loud but no doubt preserving tone. I think you could dial in some pretty decent. Sounds even if you had to add a tube screamer to get where you wanted to be but definitely I’ve used it myself with the Bad cat and I bedroom tones and it is no problem having it on board. The doctor see attenuator can be put inside of the amplifier another option. Truly, there are some lesser expensive options because otherwise most of the higher in amp do not have fantastic power scaling no Friedman amps have it however they have a great master volume, but so does the boogie Still there is no guarantee on drives what you’re going to get for a tone “bedroom tone“ lol 13:22 13:27 13:35
Looking at this as I am looking forward to purchasing a Filmore 25. But I must admit that Panda shirt equally has done a great job lifting that heavy weight. A real Champ!
Haha he is a great panda...
This was extremely helpful. Both are/were on my consideration list. Not sure if either are for me exactly, but they both are fantastic at what they do. Thanks!
I’m glad that helped, even if to discount them! 👍🏼
After much deliberation, I actually part exd my MVP the Mesa Filmore 25 head. IMO the boogie is a better amp. Love the review...
Perfect comparison !! You addressed every issue i had. Thanks for the great vids you nail it every time. I feel more educated now in my purchase of one of these epic amps.
I was amazed that at one point you even played a little riff that i play as well on the E chord. It was like we were sitting in the same room!
Thanks James
Haha, spooky! Really glad it helped 🤟🏼
which 1 did you go for?
I actually am going to trade my Morgan for the boogie Fillmore truly it is certainly more versatile. I do prefer the solid-state rectifier and the power scaling on the MVP as I think about it more and look at the pricing actually may just keep them both fantastic blues without a doubt, I have played my MVP 23 for about two years now in practice and rehearsal of course I use some hall reverb and a little delay. Truly, I was told if I could get the sound I wanted dry then I could get it anywhere anytime so that’s how I practice either way great killer demo killer tones, loving these amp man the Fillmore point to point hand wired it does have PCB board in it as well. In certain places there is some hand wiring. The sockets are wired, but still not completely thanks. Damn thing sounds like a beast man you’re killing it. Think I will run the Fillmore through the MVP and through 2 x 12 Friedman that should be an interesting result listening to this is giving me great ideas Fillmore on its way thanks, Cuz. 16:50
Thank you for the great work! I have a MVP23 for 2 years now and i'm loving it. Next will surely be a Two Rock Studio Signature, a Mesa Boogie Fillmore, a Hook Lenny... or another Morgan, like a PR12.
I think that the cleans of the Morgan are really great, with some "balls". I'm mainly a strat guy and i usually have bass at 13, mids at 13, Treble at 11, vol at 14 and gain at 10.
Hook amps look really interesting! Any would be a great choice 👍🏼
Someone said it was super dark and unable to EQ this darkness out of the amp have you had this issue?
They both sounds amazing
Looks like the boogie is more versatile
But I really like the character of the Morgan
Thanks 🎸
Yeah, i probably could have finished with: if you already have american style amps that you love, and pedals you love, then go with the Morgan as it is really in its own class 👍🏼
Just found this channel love it, I’ve got the MVP but I prefer my Morgan AC20 as it has a more luscious sound not that that’s a musical term but it’s the only way I can describe it.
It is a good term i think, for an amp 👍🏼 cheers
Good thorough comparison, I enjoyed the video 👍. I definitely prefer the tone of the Morgan, but that’s just me. Cheers James.
Thanks Paul. Yeah the Morgan is really lovely, has a lovely chewy feeling to play 👍🏼 cheers
Excellent Video
cheers!
Both are great! I somehow prefer the Boogie! Awesome
Considering both of these. I'm preferring the way the Morgan sounds a lot in this video, even though it's less versatile. Morgan sounds better at low volume. Thanks!!
Yeah, it does have its own great sound that Morgan
I love both amps... I have a biased with Mesa, but the Morgan MVP is the MVP here (IMHO, pun intended :D )
I’d love Mesa to release a mini California 25 head... apparently the Fillmore and California were developed around the same time and using some similar circuitry (and same 6V6). So a small Cali-Tweed:25 head, similar to the Mesa Mark V:25 would be awesome.
Do you find that the Fillmore has much background hiss? I have heard people complain about the “Mesa hiss” with other models. I like quiet amps! Oh and I absolutely love the fawn covering on your Fillmore 25!
I think alot of players need to put away their snobbymess and Cork Sniffing Altitude that I once had
That only vintage and handwired Boutique amps can only sound good!
They need to become aware and shake off that cork sniffing attitude
And understand that a Mesa boogie amp is built like a tank with high quality components and the circuit is something of beauty and Genius and Quality like no other
Mesa Boogie is a Professioanl Amplifier and A musical instrument on its own.
I MYSELY CONSIDER MY MESA Boogie every bit a Boutique Sounding ampand Boutique Quality Build inside and out
For YearsI have been Enjoying my Lonestar Special .
But lately Ive wanted to try something more American sounding
After watching a few videos from James
I finally pulled the trigger and ordered and Purchased a brand new Boogie amp
A Fillmore 25!
Love the size and shape and sound of coarse from what I've seen as I haven't played one yet .
Also Love that it looks alot more simple without tons of Bells and whistles.
Dont get me wrong I m keeping my lonestar special as I live the El84s also
But I love that American sound thst you really can't get with an amp using el84s
So the fillmore has a pair of 6V6s,
I wonder along with its circuit if I will notice the different sounding tubes?
I'd love to keep my comments much shorter working on it
Great video Cheers!
Am I missing something? Where is the reverb control on the Boogie?
I know they are worlds apart in cost but is there a way you can compare the Fillmore to one of your Two Rocks? And maybe what the best is for home use. Thanks for the awesome videos! Keep them coming!
I’ve been thinking about it actually. I just dont want to make the Mesa look bad - I’m not saying it definitely would, but the Two Rock amps are hard to compare to! It would probably make a good video and help some people make a decision either way though! I’ll work on it 👍🏼
@@JamesOnGuitar I totally agree that, other than a Dumble a Two Rock is pretty much king, if that is what you are into and going on your gear and the people it will bring to your channel I think most will agree. Id like to see how close a Mesa Fillmore will get to a CRS. And if spending double or triple is with it or will a Mesa get you 90% there. But of course it’s all subjective.
As you know James, I love the Morgan. It just sounds way better to me. If you want another channel just step on the drive pedal of your choice, you need to step on the footswitch for the Mesa too. Same with the reverb, step on your fave reverb. No effects loop, don't care, never used one.
I love them both! You’re right, valid points... there’s never just one way to lay out all the possible thoughts! As i think i implied, the morgan probably has the best tone, but it is subjective! Anyway, thanks for putting me onto the amp in the first place 👍🏼
@@JamesOnGuitar your welcome
Drive pedals will never sound like amp distortion, don’t even try to argue me lol
I Think ... Mesa Boogie Wins for me anyway , Thank you for this great video super super useful for me right as I'm trying to buy my first Tube Amp :) cheers .
Good luck, glad it was helpful :)
Mesa Boogie makes the most killer amps!
I’m definitely looking forward to trying other boogie amps!
Hi all, SORRY, at around minute 9 i mention the lowest db you can really use the amps at, but forgot to include the Morgan numbers. I got it up to 112db and down to around 76-77db using the power scaling and it still sounded good! Cheers 👍🏼 ALSO, i've just noticed the video ends a bit abruptly... just would have said to publicly subscribe and comment to enter the BB Preamp giveaway, which I will give away at 2500 subs!
I’d be interested in you showcasing the Mesa Cali Tweed. Any chance?
I literally search for one every week! Most requested amp on the channel. Will keep trying 👍🏼
No loop & no reverb on the Morgan is a deal breaker for me. Plus the Fillmore has a much wider gain range and is lighter. No contest imo
I like the Boogie one better
It’s so versatile, can’t wait to try other boogie amps now 🤟🏼
very different amps - I go for the Morgan (ok I owned one)
🤣 ... wait, what did you change it for?
@@JamesOnGuitar difficult: very unique sound, so I see no real alternatives. I would think about a Two Rock, Fender Super Reverb (very problematic if we talk about attenuation), maybe prs David Grissom Model
forgot: Supro
Does the fillmore 25 have enough clean headroom to keep up with a band? Thanks!
Hey! That question is always hard to answer, not knowing what type of band and venues. Generally it is going to be enough, but being that the 50 doesn’t cost too much more, if clean headroom is the goal that might be a better option. Cheers
Killer 😍😍
🤟🏼
do you really think mesa boogie and morgan (with boutique amp distr) are always boutique amps ??? I don't think... they are juste expensive and sound great but boutique far away I think
Totally get your point! I guess they are not as personal and handmade as the more pricey boutique amps, but on the other hand the ambition and philosophy behind them fits that idea of being boutique as opposed to mass produced. A fine line i think...
Filmore for me - by a long way.
To me, these two amps are to different to be placed side by side. Not an apples to apples comparison.
I agree in general - except one thing, if you zoom out a couple of levels these are a similar price and plenty of beginners still look at this price point (relative beginners i mean) and may not have any idea what sort of amp they want. Hopefully it helps someone 🤞🏼
mvp 23 is an amazing amp. doesnt get enough hype, pure marshall tones with a mv. Mesa is Meh. Mass produced garbage.