Match 4 Game 1 you could have won through the Atraxa, Glissa giving Phyrexians First Strike and Deathtouch is lethal because if they block a 9/9 Atraxa doesn't gain life and you still have a 3/3 and a 4/4, so they have to kill Glissa, in which case attacking with everything kills them since they don't have more removal and 7-9-3-4+7=-2, so they lose, Atraxa doesn't gain enough life.
No, the phyrexians would deal first strike damage, he has a 4/4 and a 3/3 phyrexian, which is 7 damage exactly, so they would do first strike damage to the opponent, before the cats were dealt damage by Atraxa to gain life. So they wouldn’t have a block that would keep them alive.
In order for the opponent to survive, they would need to use the go for the throat on the 4/4, they would go down to one, so he still loses, but there was a line where the opponent could have messed up, but blocking the 9/9 wouldn’t gain life if he was already dead to first strike damage
The Cats are not Phyrexians though, are they? So blocking a 9/9 (without first strike) would still give the opponent 7 life, and if the kill the other 9/9, they can take 7 damage from the 3/3 and 4/4 "comfortably" and remain at 7 life. So in the end, it would be Glissa, the Vatkeeper and the token vs. an empty board and a full hand. Not at all a scoopworthy position, but far from lethal as well. Or am I missing something?
That blue white control deck was soul crushing. I'm glad I only had to watch this rather than play it. I would have stuck it out too, but would have been fuming the entire time. Good stuff.
Incubate was one of those mechanics where my evaluation was waaaay off. I mostly play commander, and thought i probably wouldn't use it much. Then i played a game with it. I had an unwrathable set of creatures, ready to pop out at instant speed for just two mana. I had blockers without actually having to commit to the board.
I think a lot of people looked at Invasion of Gobakhin and immediately compared it to Elite Spellbinder but forgot that one of the reasons spellbinder was so good was because it can also attack your opponenet. The battle doesn't.
Yea and I think soul partition is mostly just better if you really want the "2 more to cast" effect because 1. It's instant speed 2. You are removing something your opponent already invested mana into, and forcing them to re-invest that much mana plus 2, so it could easily be wasting them at least 4 or 5 mana, whereas Gobakhan just wastes them a fixed amount of 2 mana and nothing more. If soul partition doesn't see play, I don't think Gobakhan ever will.
It's wild that out of all the ridiculous creatures the Atraxa deck had (atsushi, toxrill, Atraxa, etc) Sheoldred was the most miserable to play against. It wins games without doing anything and that's by far the strongest effect out of the sequel praetor cycle the
Jinnie Fay + Incubate is amazing! About Invasion of Gobakhan, I have to agree. It's probably better in low to the ground 8-12 1-drop decks than it is in a combo-ish midrange-y one. Duress would've definitely won games that were lost here.
(also, I think you're underestimating that last UW Control deck, which probably runs 6-8 cheap spot removal spells in the sideboard for the Red matchups and that could be enough along with Dennick)
Probably not under-estimating that deck at all, first, duress would still do nothing, they had eight wraths that one game, turning it into six wouldn't change much. But considering half those wraths are stone dead against 90% of the meta, those probably WERE the side-board, no room for extra cheap removal.
@@EionBlue Duress post sideboard in that specific matchup would've been 1 for 1, whereas Gobakhan was not, because even with increased cost, the Farewells were cast. They've shown the wraths game 1, that's why I assume they have cheap and instant spot removal in their sideboard, which in the given matchup, they didn't even bother to bring in. It seems to me they've thought (unfortunately, correctly) that Wraths and Dennick were enough.
That game two against control reminded me of when I played jeskai God-Pharaoh's gift in standard and got settle the wreckaged 6 times in a game (Due to torrential gearhulk) and still won
This deck was really cool, but the other Incubate synergy I've wanted to see is Chrome Host Seedshark with Tezzeret, Betrayer of Flesh. It seems really strong since Tezzeret lets you flip your incubate tokens for free and you can tick down to make them have a base 4/4 instead of a 0/0.
Idea for a historic brawl deck based on this: Jinnie Fay as commander, if you get Essence of Orthodoxy out while you control maskwood nexus, you can go infinite with 4/4 haste cats (until you choose to make an incubator)
Game 3 against the Obliterator opponent, I know you had lethal either way, but I still would have cast go for the throat on that Obliterator just to establish dominance.
I had the same idea but I have no Jinnie Fay's cards and I don't want to spend wildcards. I just wish that we could use unfinished decks against Sparky with proxies.
Not being able to test decks without using wildcards still blows my mind. Then I remember WotC is a small indie company who doesn't have the technology to give players features they want.
38:38 you had lethal by selecting first strike/deathtouch on Glissa. if glissa is killedpre-combat, atraxa blocks to gain 7, and takes 16. dead opponent if glissa gets to give firststrike/deathtouch, 7 first strike deathtouch means removal has to be spent on those and your 9/9s will get through
The opponent had a go for the throat in his hand, he could kill the 4/4, let the 3/3 with first strike and deathtouch go through, and block a 9/9, putting him at 2, so he didn’t have lethal, the opponent could have brought back atraxa with the cruelty of gin in his hand, but Seth could have heavily pressured the opponent.
I think it was one of Crim's videos where there was a deck that made REALLY good use of Invasion of Gobbakon (sp), so it's definitely a useful card, just limited in its applications.
It seems like the upside of the interactions makes this shell worth exploring more. It could be a solid tier 2 deck, and able to take down some events, once the meta shakes out and you can tune your interaction package to be level with the field.
Why bother when the existing sets were just stupid powerful? That’s the problem with releasing cards without a care for the health of the format. Cards like atraxa and sheoldred are why the top 10 decks are like majority removal, counters, and control.
Against UW Control in g2: You have 8 lands, 2 incubates, edict and Bankbuster. So, Exarch x=0 (1 mana), transform both incubates (4 mana), crew bankbuster, opponent animates, edict for the win
Invasion seems to me like a good mono-white death and taxes tool, of for some kind of aggro deck that uses white, it delays opponents threats and can be flipped for a buff if things gets a bit grindy, but I wouldn't use it as a replacement for counterspells/discard/protection
I think what people are missing about the invasion in that last game is that when your opponent is literally playing to the stall and has 15 open mana, you're not gonna stump them with a duress, they'll just draw another wrath. It doesn't really look like a viable deck at all since you'd probably just go to time in any paper magic event and you lose 90% of any match up that isn't the exact literal match up we just saw.
here is a goofy deck concept, Id love to see someone knowing what they are doing, actually build this into a cool deck. Also i dont have a pile of cards in arena so i use what i have:> Deck 3 Borborygmos and Fblthp (MOM) 219 4 Boseiju Reaches Skyward (NEO) 177 4 Island (SIR) 282 4 Mountain (SIR) 288 2 Prizefight (SNC) 154 1 Invasion of Ergamon (MOM) 233 4 Thirsting Roots (ONE) 185 11 Forest (SIR) 291 3 Azusa's Many Journeys (NEO) 172 4 Mulch (VOW) 210 2 Wrenn and Realmbreaker (MOM) 217 2 Invasion of Shandalar (MOM) 193 3 Myr Convert (ONE) 234 4 Carnivorous Canopy (ONE) 162 2 Invasion of Pyrulea (MOM) 240 2 Invasion of Regatha (MOM) 148 1 Stormcarved Coast (VOW) 265 2 Rockfall Vale (MID) 266 2 Dreamroot Cascade (VOW) 262
I think this is actually a good recipe but I would change formats and change some support cards out. Explorer/Pioneer for people crazy enough to try Much Abrew About Nothing decks at locals. Possibly swap over some the larger things doing nothing for just pure "when it dies get a token" types. In particular I like Crawling Chorus in place of the battle that honestly while you have black why not use Dreams of Oil and Steel or one of the one mana hand rippers? Seems much more on curve and suited to this aggressive deck. But all in all it looks solid if it was trimmed more towards rewarding token generation by punishing removal . Ironically from what I've seen of this standard the meta is too aggro and random compared to Explorer. XD Feels weird to say but then again not so much these days. Standard has stayed pretty aggro and random for two years now.
Much as it pains me to admit, this new Standard looks pretty decent. I'm so disinterested in the Phyrexians at this point, but they seem to make a good format.
The standard is *almost* good. I think, once the OP cards from Kamigawa rotate, we might see a refreshing and interesting format. For now, though, every other deck is either RDW or Black Good Cards.
I super agree about Atraxa feeling like Ugin and I Love Ugin, but it's So much easier to reanimate a creature than it is to ramp to 8. I have died so often one turn short when playing ugin, with atraxa sometimes yeah they have that last removal spell and win, but ughhhhh it's not fun imo lol
I do think Gobakhan is worse in this mid-range of a deck. I think in Soldiers, for instance, turn 1 one drop, turn 2 thalia lets say, turn 3 gobakhan, maybe flip it if the boards clear enough, that seems way more viable because those decks have already lost if a turn 8 exists
There were a couple times in the match vs wrath tribal that i think you missed out on the incubate tokens ability to attack the turn glissa transformed them. Maybe im missing something but it seemed like that was your plan and then you held back?
Gobakhan is always going to be worse when you have access to black. In decks without black, there is no cheaper effect like this. You’re playing black so of course duress is better
invasion of gobakhan is good in a deck that can pressure it the moment it comes down. It is not good in a deck like this which needs to set things up before it can start attacking.
Cgb made a video where he talked about invasion of gobokkan being bad as well (he won a game against them and said it didn't really stop him from executing his game plan) and I think the surprise is coming from comparing it to elite spellbinder or whatever it was called. That steixhaven card was a 3/1 evasive body, which is a heck of a clock by itself and likely to get in damage, versus gobokkan doesn't affect the board at all unless it can be attacked, so a couple of good blockers and it doesn't do anything.
It probably doesn't help that standard is a bit of a battle-cruiser format at the moment, if the format was centered around 2-4 drops, an extra 2 mana probably does wonders, but when you're already looking to cast 5-7 drops like Atraxa, cruelty and Farewell, an extra two mana may as well be "you extended a match-up you were already losing".
The match 5 guy with seven wraths probably got to mythic by having his opponents scoop. That deck is actually so annoying and draws the game out so much
I do thunk Gabakon is a very strong card. You can't really base the opinion off of playing against a control deck with a Midrange deck since both decks work at the same speed essentially. Invasion of Gabokon is definitely more designed for aggro/tempo decks that win fast
I am so sick of decks that just play sheoldred and sit there doing nothing. It’s boring, it doesn’t really represent good magic as there’s no synergies or interaction, it’s just “pass pass pass, oh you didn’t draw an answer? Guess you lose and I don’t have to play anything to do it”
I don't think I'll ever understand why people play wrath tribal UW control. It has to be so mind-numbingly boring to just sit there and wrath every turn.
This might just be me, but with the timestamp divisions, it kinda spoils the outcome of the matches. Could you add some more time, with some text that reads "just skip ahead to minute X"? So for example with match 4, there was not a lot of time left for game 3, so that means you are about to lose or win in a very short time; a Smash Bros tournament did this, to not spoil how long the actual game lasted or who was going to win in the end. Just a suggestion, love the vids :D.
I feel like Seth gets salty about getting GG'd at odd times. like at 31:30, that just seems like a normal time to say GG, it's the end of the match. Seems polite to me.
He's said other places that he thinks it's weird and a little rude when people GG first after winning. Like, normally it's the person scooping who says GG first. Idk if I agree with him, but I see what he means. GG-ing after you win can come across as rubbing it in your opponent's face.
Funny phenomenon…every time I hear someone complaining about Atraxa, all I can hear is all the talk during spoiler season about how bad she was! lmao Atraxa deserves to dominate after all the hate she got!
Love the content Seth but after the recent draft and now this video it really feels like something is off, like your just going through motions and not really enjoying things as much anymore. I hope Im wrong and all's well but it darn well seems like it even through your happy demeanor.
Man, there's interesting control decks out there. There's ones that have interesting interactions and card synergies. But when people build a deck that has 36 generic removal/counter spells, 4 copies of a win-con, and 20 lands, I begin to think they have brain damage. How can anyone think it's fun to wrath for 30 turns until their opponent scoops out of boredom?
@Brandon Kiehl I mean, I like a little bit of removal more than the next player but I'm a player that likes the see my opponents deck go off, it's fun to see how many different combos people use. Lately, tho. it's been the same shit and I'm just sick of it..
I'm confused by the "good game" etiquette that Seth gets annoyed by. What doesn't he like about an opponent saying good game? What's the proper etiquette? Not say anything at all?
Match 5 is a great show of why just playing all the wraths really isnt that good. You need to somehow win the game or stabelize the board with some kind of value engine. Just playing 12 wrath will often fall apart against most of these a little more resilient aggro decks because you just never win the game and at some poitnt your wrath onlx become overcosted one for one removal basically
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Match 4 Game 1 you could have won through the Atraxa, Glissa giving Phyrexians First Strike and Deathtouch is lethal because if they block a 9/9 Atraxa doesn't gain life and you still have a 3/3 and a 4/4, so they have to kill Glissa, in which case attacking with everything kills them since they don't have more removal and 7-9-3-4+7=-2, so they lose, Atraxa doesn't gain enough life.
They would still gain life if they block a 9/9. Since Jinnie Fay made those tokens cats instead of Phyrexians, they wouldn't get first strike.
@@erix33 You're right! Still, I don't think it merits conceding though
No, the phyrexians would deal first strike damage, he has a 4/4 and a 3/3 phyrexian, which is 7 damage exactly, so they would do first strike damage to the opponent, before the cats were dealt damage by Atraxa to gain life. So they wouldn’t have a block that would keep them alive.
In order for the opponent to survive, they would need to use the go for the throat on the 4/4, they would go down to one, so he still loses, but there was a line where the opponent could have messed up, but blocking the 9/9 wouldn’t gain life if he was already dead to first strike damage
The Cats are not Phyrexians though, are they? So blocking a 9/9 (without first strike) would still give the opponent 7 life, and if the kill the other 9/9, they can take 7 damage from the 3/3 and 4/4 "comfortably" and remain at 7 life. So in the end, it would be Glissa, the Vatkeeper and the token vs. an empty board and a full hand. Not at all a scoopworthy position, but far from lethal as well. Or am I missing something?
That blue white control deck was soul crushing. I'm glad I only had to watch this rather than play it. I would have stuck it out too, but would have been fuming the entire time. Good stuff.
The person that built that deck deserves to be clobbered over the head
People playing control and especially that many wrath are so much annoying
Incubate was one of those mechanics where my evaluation was waaaay off. I mostly play commander, and thought i probably wouldn't use it much. Then i played a game with it. I had an unwrathable set of creatures, ready to pop out at instant speed for just two mana. I had blockers without actually having to commit to the board.
They do die incredibly easy to artifact hate though.
I think a lot of people looked at Invasion of Gobakhin and immediately compared it to Elite Spellbinder but forgot that one of the reasons spellbinder was so good was because it can also attack your opponenet. The battle doesn't.
I thought people looked at it like thoughtseize with upside.
@@BobardeZanzibarand that's wrong since 2 mana is a big difference from 1 mana, and it doesn't even get rid of the card really
Yea and I think soul partition is mostly just better if you really want the "2 more to cast" effect because 1. It's instant speed 2. You are removing something your opponent already invested mana into, and forcing them to re-invest that much mana plus 2, so it could easily be wasting them at least 4 or 5 mana, whereas Gobakhan just wastes them a fixed amount of 2 mana and nothing more. If soul partition doesn't see play, I don't think Gobakhan ever will.
It's wild that out of all the ridiculous creatures the Atraxa deck had (atsushi, toxrill, Atraxa, etc) Sheoldred was the most miserable to play against. It wins games without doing anything and that's by far the strongest effect out of the sequel praetor cycle the
Jinnie Fay + Incubate is amazing! About Invasion of Gobakhan, I have to agree. It's probably better in low to the ground 8-12 1-drop decks than it is in a combo-ish midrange-y one. Duress would've definitely won games that were lost here.
(also, I think you're underestimating that last UW Control deck, which probably runs 6-8 cheap spot removal spells in the sideboard for the Red matchups and that could be enough along with Dennick)
Probably not under-estimating that deck at all, first, duress would still do nothing, they had eight wraths that one game, turning it into six wouldn't change much.
But considering half those wraths are stone dead against 90% of the meta, those probably WERE the side-board, no room for extra cheap removal.
@@EionBlue Duress post sideboard in that specific matchup would've been 1 for 1, whereas Gobakhan was not, because even with increased cost, the Farewells were cast.
They've shown the wraths game 1, that's why I assume they have cheap and instant spot removal in their sideboard, which in the given matchup, they didn't even bother to bring in. It seems to me they've thought (unfortunately, correctly) that Wraths and Dennick were enough.
That game two against control reminded me of when I played jeskai God-Pharaoh's gift in standard and got settle the wreckaged 6 times in a game (Due to torrential gearhulk) and still won
Take a drink every time Seth says "Glistening Dong."
So don't drink at all?
@Viredae Literally, the first time he says it and several times more... 2:24 for example.
So never
Saffron OOOOOLLLLIIIIIVE. I swear he manages to say it longer every time
"Glistening dong" Cannot unhear it
I’m curious if you thought about using Awaken the Woods in this type of deck.
I love the new Glissa but am terrible at brewing in 60-card formats, so I'm super excited to see how this goes.
At least you got the singlers and such! Thought about going brawl or edh or nah.
Just netdeck until you learn how to build. Saffron himself is a great person to learn it from since he's so good at budget strategies.
This deck was really cool, but the other Incubate synergy I've wanted to see is Chrome Host Seedshark with Tezzeret, Betrayer of Flesh. It seems really strong since Tezzeret lets you flip your incubate tokens for free and you can tick down to make them have a base 4/4 instead of a 0/0.
Idea for a historic brawl deck based on this: Jinnie Fay as commander, if you get Essence of Orthodoxy out while you control maskwood nexus, you can go infinite with 4/4 haste cats (until you choose to make an incubator)
Game 3 against the Obliterator opponent, I know you had lethal either way, but I still would have cast go for the throat on that Obliterator just to establish dominance.
Incubate is great in a control deck so u can board wipe and still have some creatures
I had the same idea but I have no Jinnie Fay's cards and I don't want to spend wildcards. I just wish that we could use unfinished decks against Sparky with proxies.
Not being able to test decks without using wildcards still blows my mind. Then I remember WotC is a small indie company who doesn't have the technology to give players features they want.
38:38 you had lethal by selecting first strike/deathtouch on Glissa.
if glissa is killedpre-combat, atraxa blocks to gain 7, and takes 16. dead opponent
if glissa gets to give firststrike/deathtouch, 7 first strike deathtouch means removal has to be spent on those and your 9/9s will get through
The opponent had a go for the throat in his hand, he could kill the 4/4, let the 3/3 with first strike and deathtouch go through, and block a 9/9, putting him at 2, so he didn’t have lethal, the opponent could have brought back atraxa with the cruelty of gin in his hand, but Seth could have heavily pressured the opponent.
I think it was one of Crim's videos where there was a deck that made REALLY good use of Invasion of Gobbakon (sp), so it's definitely a useful card, just limited in its applications.
just realized when seth does a victory yell it sounds just like gus in the scene where he gets blown up
It seems like the upside of the interactions makes this shell worth exploring more. It could be a solid tier 2 deck, and able to take down some events, once the meta shakes out and you can tune your interaction package to be level with the field.
Did your second opponent know a new set was out?
Why bother when the existing sets were just stupid powerful? That’s the problem with releasing cards without a care for the health of the format.
Cards like atraxa and sheoldred are why the top 10 decks are like majority removal, counters, and control.
Seth, I gotta respect your sportmanship in that last match. The opponent was being extreamely toxic and you kept your cool.
Against UW Control in g2: You have 8 lands, 2 incubates, edict and Bankbuster. So, Exarch x=0 (1 mana), transform both incubates (4 mana), crew bankbuster, opponent animates, edict for the win
2:24 Glistening Dong! 😂
It isn't just me, it's even on the CC.
Invasion seems to me like a good mono-white death and taxes tool, of for some kind of aggro deck that uses white, it delays opponents threats and can be flipped for a buff if things gets a bit grindy, but I wouldn't use it as a replacement for counterspells/discard/protection
Atraxa is the Sphinx of Revelations of this standard format.
Love cards that punish lack of basics! ❤
I think what people are missing about the invasion in that last game is that when your opponent is literally playing to the stall and has 15 open mana, you're not gonna stump them with a duress, they'll just draw another wrath.
It doesn't really look like a viable deck at all since you'd probably just go to time in any paper magic event and you lose 90% of any match up that isn't the exact literal match up we just saw.
That last match was so frustrating to watch, extremely degenerate shenanigans lol
Holy smokes thats explosive. Match 2 game 2 was super impressive.
12:02 gave two tokens because Bankbuster makes a pilot creature token AND a treasure artifact token.
here is a goofy deck concept, Id love to see someone knowing what they are doing, actually build this into a cool deck. Also i dont have a pile of cards in arena so i use what i have:>
Deck
3 Borborygmos and Fblthp (MOM) 219
4 Boseiju Reaches Skyward (NEO) 177
4 Island (SIR) 282
4 Mountain (SIR) 288
2 Prizefight (SNC) 154
1 Invasion of Ergamon (MOM) 233
4 Thirsting Roots (ONE) 185
11 Forest (SIR) 291
3 Azusa's Many Journeys (NEO) 172
4 Mulch (VOW) 210
2 Wrenn and Realmbreaker (MOM) 217
2 Invasion of Shandalar (MOM) 193
3 Myr Convert (ONE) 234
4 Carnivorous Canopy (ONE) 162
2 Invasion of Pyrulea (MOM) 240
2 Invasion of Regatha (MOM) 148
1 Stormcarved Coast (VOW) 265
2 Rockfall Vale (MID) 266
2 Dreamroot Cascade (VOW) 262
Ah man, I am planning to do a incubate Elesh Norn incubate deck too. White green colors. 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
I think this is actually a good recipe but I would change formats and change some support cards out. Explorer/Pioneer for people crazy enough to try Much Abrew About Nothing decks at locals. Possibly swap over some the larger things doing nothing for just pure "when it dies get a token" types. In particular I like Crawling Chorus in place of the battle that honestly while you have black why not use Dreams of Oil and Steel or one of the one mana hand rippers?
Seems much more on curve and suited to this aggressive deck. But all in all it looks solid if it was trimmed more towards rewarding token generation by punishing removal . Ironically from what I've seen of this standard the meta is too aggro and random compared to Explorer. XD Feels weird to say but then again not so much these days. Standard has stayed pretty aggro and random for two years now.
14:18 NO WAY he actually pronounced Brotherhood's End correctly!!! He's evolving... Should we be scared - I feel like we should be scared.
i lowkey miss "brothers who'd end"
edit: nevermind, it's only this one time
The misplays against that 7-d-7 guy hurts me soul.
Much as it pains me to admit, this new Standard looks pretty decent. I'm so disinterested in the Phyrexians at this point, but they seem to make a good format.
They’re trying to apologize for last time
It's not. Mono red is more viable, and there are more versions of Legends decks, but you'll still be playing RBx midrange most of the time
The standard is *almost* good. I think, once the OP cards from Kamigawa rotate, we might see a refreshing and interesting format.
For now, though, every other deck is either RDW or Black Good Cards.
@Brandon Kiehl I mean Fable and Bankbuster should have been banned a while ago.
dude oh my gosh i didn't even think about jinnie fae with incubate holy crap
The amount of exile based wraths in standard right now is so annoying, I don't understand what WoTC was thinking
Invasion of gob seems good in aggro, but not as much in mid range. More typical wraths would dislike it more as well.
I super agree about Atraxa feeling like Ugin and I Love Ugin, but it's So much easier to reanimate a creature than it is to ramp to 8. I have died so often one turn short when playing ugin, with atraxa sometimes yeah they have that last removal spell and win, but ughhhhh it's not fun imo lol
I played against you today with the deck. I played the shark deck
>I incubate my opponents
I never gave consent to be incubated.
I do think Gobakhan is worse in this mid-range of a deck. I think in Soldiers, for instance, turn 1 one drop, turn 2 thalia lets say, turn 3 gobakhan, maybe flip it if the boards clear enough, that seems way more viable because those decks have already lost if a turn 8 exists
You should have tried Jinny with Xorn and any treasure creator
It's a day ending in 'Y', time for SPBKASO to scoop early.
11:58 thats not a bug, its the treasure token + the creature pilot token. Both turn into dogs so you get two doggos
oh my bad i didnt see your realitzation jahsjahaha
There were a couple times in the match vs wrath tribal that i think you missed out on the incubate tokens ability to attack the turn glissa transformed them. Maybe im missing something but it seemed like that was your plan and then you held back?
Is there a way to be greedy and add blue for shark and tezzeret
40:20 Technically Brotherhood's end can kill the incubate tokens no matter how big they are.
He mentions this at 40:33😊
That azorius control match may have been the most frustrating thing I've ever watched
Seth are you coming to magic con in Minneapolis?
Mono-red plays mechanized warfare, which is very much worth killing
"OMG, my opponent played a card, i guess i'll scoop" - Seth (probably)
Gobakhan is always going to be worse when you have access to black. In decks without black, there is no cheaper effect like this.
You’re playing black so of course duress is better
invasion of gobakhan is good in a deck that can pressure it the moment it comes down. It is not good in a deck like this which needs to set things up before it can start attacking.
The person who played all those wraths deserves their own circle in hell. I wasn't even playing and i was getting angry
Match 5 is one of the surest signs that standard is UNHEALTHY right now.
Cgb made a video where he talked about invasion of gobokkan being bad as well (he won a game against them and said it didn't really stop him from executing his game plan) and I think the surprise is coming from comparing it to elite spellbinder or whatever it was called. That steixhaven card was a 3/1 evasive body, which is a heck of a clock by itself and likely to get in damage, versus gobokkan doesn't affect the board at all unless it can be attacked, so a couple of good blockers and it doesn't do anything.
It probably doesn't help that standard is a bit of a battle-cruiser format at the moment, if the format was centered around 2-4 drops, an extra 2 mana probably does wonders, but when you're already looking to cast 5-7 drops like Atraxa, cruelty and Farewell, an extra two mana may as well be "you extended a match-up you were already losing".
Stop scooping when YOU HAVE LETHAL. Make the opponent do the work.
Glistening Dong
The match 5 guy with seven wraths probably got to mythic by having his opponents scoop. That deck is actually so annoying and draws the game out so much
I do thunk Gabakon is a very strong card. You can't really base the opinion off of playing against a control deck with a Midrange deck since both decks work at the same speed essentially. Invasion of Gabokon is definitely more designed for aggro/tempo decks that win fast
Beeg doggo
The voice man…
Despite how cool these sets have been in a vacuum, this standard has been absolutely miserable. Etali, Atraxa, Sheoldred, Fable, Rotpriest
I am so sick of decks that just play sheoldred and sit there doing nothing. It’s boring, it doesn’t really represent good magic as there’s no synergies or interaction, it’s just “pass pass pass, oh you didn’t draw an answer? Guess you lose and I don’t have to play anything to do it”
I don't think I'll ever understand why people play wrath tribal UW control. It has to be so mind-numbingly boring to just sit there and wrath every turn.
This might just be me, but with the timestamp divisions, it kinda spoils the outcome of the matches. Could you add some more time, with some text that reads "just skip ahead to minute X"? So for example with match 4, there was not a lot of time left for game 3, so that means you are about to lose or win in a very short time; a Smash Bros tournament did this, to not spoil how long the actual game lasted or who was going to win in the end. Just a suggestion, love the vids :D.
Incubate is hilarious. I didn't say it was good.
I feel like Seth gets salty about getting GG'd at odd times. like at 31:30, that just seems like a normal time to say GG, it's the end of the match. Seems polite to me.
He's said other places that he thinks it's weird and a little rude when people GG first after winning. Like, normally it's the person scooping who says GG first.
Idk if I agree with him, but I see what he means. GG-ing after you win can come across as rubbing it in your opponent's face.
Funny phenomenon…every time I hear someone complaining about Atraxa, all I can hear is all the talk during spoiler season about how bad she was! lmao Atraxa deserves to dominate after all the hate she got!
Love the content Seth but after the recent draft and now this video it really feels like something is off, like your just going through motions and not really enjoying things as much anymore. I hope Im wrong and all's well but it darn well seems like it even through your happy demeanor.
Farewell MtGO content. You will be missed.
Boycotting UW Control players is always morally correct
ugh personally people that play control based decks just don't know how to have fun and play mtg.
Man, there's interesting control decks out there. There's ones that have interesting interactions and card synergies.
But when people build a deck that has 36 generic removal/counter spells, 4 copies of a win-con, and 20 lands, I begin to think they have brain damage. How can anyone think it's fun to wrath for 30 turns until their opponent scoops out of boredom?
@Brandon Kiehl I mean, I like a little bit of removal more than the next player but I'm a player that likes the see my opponents deck go off, it's fun to see how many different combos people use.
Lately, tho. it's been the same shit and I'm just sick of it..
I'm confused by the "good game" etiquette that Seth gets annoyed by. What doesn't he like about an opponent saying good game? What's the proper etiquette? Not say anything at all?
He's said other places that he thinks it's a bit rude to GG first when you win. Kind of comes across like you're rubbing your opponent's face in it.
Do you talk like that on purpose?
Any player who construct the deck of the 5th Match deserves a slow and excruciating death.
Match 5 is a great show of why just playing all the wraths really isnt that good. You need to somehow win the game or stabelize the board with some kind of value engine. Just playing 12 wrath will often fall apart against most of these a little more resilient aggro decks because you just never win the game and at some poitnt your wrath onlx become overcosted one for one removal basically