HONDAS NEW EFI WORTH $3000? Honda EU3200I Best New Generator?
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@@karlwithak. Honda gens no longer made in Japan unfortunately. So you are paying Japanese labor cost for something not made in Japan.
My 3200i is a piece of crap after 1300hrs. Out of warranty they said. Even though it took 9 months to get it, 1st delivery Gen came totally damaged from shipping, 2nd one still damaged,not as bad and only visibly with casing, only clean gas, dustless environment, only maxed at 70% load. Runs rough, has died couple times. Can't trust with my device's. For sale or become a anchor for smaller boats
@wstadlock I see several for sale now. If they are so good why would people be selling like new units with less than 100 hrs..? I don’t think I’ll be keeping mine either. No use for a medium duty gen that’s low output. Would rather keep my two eu2200i I know I can fix easy.
I'm a Honda guy, but for the output, the price on this is ridiculous. I'll happily stick with my two EU2200's.
I think most will come to a conclusion like that. Hard to justify that price unless they don’t sell and come way down.
I agree tip off.
I gotta go with my EU2200……. Just too much $$$ for this gen. Would love to have it, but it’d have to drop $500-1000
I might upgrade to those if my EU2000i generators ever quit. And that's a pretty big IF 😂
Lol right
I have one and it works great for my travel trailer. Absolutely starts on the first pull everytime. They are expensive, but money was not an issue. It was more about what I wanted and needed. Luv it👍
Nice, keep me updated if you can. Like hours and maybe any uses if you come across anything. Helps me build data. Hope it works well for years 😀👍🏼
It will it’s a Honda 😊@@johnnysweekends
Money should never be an issue. I don’t understand why people don’t have unlimited money to spend,😊 in order to buy whatever they want.
@@ZxAMobile Too busy working to pay parasite Government TAXES. It's like asking a farmer using an OXEN to pull a plough to go and buy a JOHN DEERE TRACTOR. Except the animal is more reliable and cheaper to run.🥴
I have the MXR3500 and I love it. It's great for campers. I just wish it had an hour meter. I had to add one myself. The best part, it only cost $600.
l bought that Honda 3200W and my brother bought one that afternoon.
It will run my camper's microwave and A/C.
This Honda should last years and years, so it's totally worth it.
Cheers to you, that you gave the engine 10 hrs to break in and changed the oil! Before putting the maximum load on the generator!
I always do it like this, too when I buy a new generator. Theyll last you a lot longer.
After running a gallon through it everyday for 6 months the spark plug died on my EU2200 and when I pulled it out I lost the threads at the worst possible time so drilled it out for a helicoil but accidentally destroyed the piston, not a good night. Now I got to do a total engine rebuild, so I just bought the EI3200 from Rick Case Honda in Fort Lauderdale for $2500 and love it so far. Started first pull right out of the box. Due to supply chain issues these are currently hard to find.
Ooph, yeah not a good night at all!
I purchased ours recently for $2500 with a military discount. A great gen!
They were for sale at the Sportsman Show in Southern California. In the box and ready to go. I would have bought one there but I already have my generators. Hard to go wrong with a Honda.
When was that. I haven’t seen anything that says they have a California model yet. They were supposed to but then I think I heard they decided not to. 🤷🏼♂️
What was the price? The higher $2799 ?
It was at the Bart Hall (formerly Fred Hall) Sportsman Show at the Long Beach Convention Center back in March. I don't recall the exact price but it was just over $2,500. They had a few boxes of them and one out of the box. A bit heavy compared to the 2000/2200 models and I did notice the DC charging was missing. The cheap knockoffs don't have Honda's EFI which I think is a real plus for the Honda. My CRF300L dual-sport motorcycle has it and it works well. I took a photo of the generators on display since I'd never seen one in person before. If I didn't already have 2 of the EU2000's I would have bought one at the show.
Great video, good detail. I've got 2 EU2000's, despite these being 10 years old, they run great. Gotta love the Honda quality.
I like the idea of a self-starting unit with a battery buffer. The battery would absorb current spikes, but more importantly it would let the generator run intermittently under low load conditions to maximise efficiency.
Almost like a mini hybrid 👍🏼
@@johnnysweekends Kind of, yeah.
Wouldn't work. First off to have a large enough battery to reasonably handle normal loads that someone wants a generator for it would weigh an extra 30 or 40lbs and cost about $500-750 dollars more just for the lithium battery. Secondly, a generator charging a battery that is then powering an AC device would involve twice the conversions and inversions of energy, which equates to inefficiency. It would be a large, heavy, and expensive unit.
Why do I say this? Because I basically have the large scale commercial version of it for my off grid house. A Delta Electronics 7500 watt DC generator for telecomm towers that has the ability to have four 100 amp hour 12v batteries linked in series to act as a long term starter backup in case the main telecomm backup batteries fail. It is a generator with built in DC converter that outputs 48v, and is used to power telecomm station battery backups in the event of a power outage. It is large, and weighs about 600 lbs.
@@JimYeats Completely get your point about nominal intermittent use, but I really was just thinking about those times when you're only needing to draw something like 100W. You can build a 100-200Wh battery out of regular model-grade Li-Pos that'd be good enough for that. Sure it'll add a few kg, complicate the electronics a bit amd automatically drop another 10% off your overall efficiency, but the alternative there is running a whole 3kW unit just to keep some lights on amd I can promise you the thermal efficiency of that motor will be through the floor in that case anyway.
It's a cheat, and a dodgy one at that, but in that one special case it might just work.
@@233kosta Still no real way I can think to easily do that and have it be automated without being excessively complicated. But I get where you're coming from.
Like man things, there is a product for everyone. Depends on your needs, imo. With wheels, the eu3000is has better run time and running watts, but not very portable. If you need to pick up the unit often, these suitcase units are great. Also two Honda eu2200’s with parallel cables is closely priced. Decisions decisions. 😊
Yea I honestly kept thinking the running was 2800 watts before I got this and I guess I never let the 2600 sink in. Kinda low for the size, weight and price. This was meant to take over the handi 3000
The Honda’s have proven reliable, however with the saturation of Chinese knockoffs it’s just not worth the money. You can buy 2 knockoffs and pocket the other two grand.
And people are getting thousands on some of the knock off models ..🤷🏼♂️
I think $2000 and this would sell so much better
I’ll just stick with my old Honda 3000 IU, it’s heavy 140 pounds but then it doesn’t walk away on you ! this new one is for rich people! Way too lightweight for someone to steal easily
True having this sit out open anywhere people would sure be eyeballing it. Be nice if it had theft deterrent. Can use with out a code every two or 3 starts maybe
We have been very happy with Champion generators, I have two and my Brother has one. I have over 250 hrs. on one unit and starts first pull. Recently bought a new Champion inverter as well. No issues on any unit.
Champion is the new king of reliability. We’ve been using ours day in and day out for the past 3 years straight. It’s a one pull wonder! 😛
Nice to see the feedback, thank you 👍🏼😀
What model..?
@@DoyleShadduck which model? My 2 units are great. 3500w digital inverter open frame.
My Champion 2500 suitcase electronics and motor control gave out at about 2000 hours. The Honda 2000i that it backed up is over 10,000 hours and is still going strong. Both get near perfect maintenance and we use them to power an 8k AC all summer. The Champion came in about 1/2 price so I am sticking with Honda going forward.
Good feedback, thank you.
I bought a Honda EU1000 when they first came out over 20 years ago. It was state of the art at the time. Its always started and Ive never had a problem. I did notice at high altitude it didnt have as much power. Im hopeful the fuel injected models will adjust for altitude. If it had a propane option, I would buy it.
The old eu1000 was a great little unit and pretty tough.
Altitude will effect any generator, FI or not but it will do better then a carb model 👍🏼
The only way to get full power at altitude is to have a turbo charger.
@@NackDSP Fuel injection makes adjustments for cars at altitude. Not sure about this generator. Even at that power is lost.
Forced induction is the way. By SC or turbo.
FI will adjust fuel to air ratio in a car and hopes of this as well. It will need to have a air density sensor at least and hopefully there is some mapping but will see how it does at altitude testing soon enough.
I went with the Genmax version due to price. Runs my RV great. I can buy 3 Genmax versions for the price of 1 Honda.
Those units are getting better and so far seem to get good reviews from many
Honda is awesome. I think they are the best. However, they are 3x more than the others, but not 3x better - lol
Thanx for putting out this video. It reminded me that I need to pull mine off the self and do a spring service to get ready for an upcoming camping trip.
Yea there is so many others to choose from now at a fraction of the price. And not just me but others as well have been saying that Honda is not as good as it used to be. And that price is really tough to swallow
@@johnnysweekends The Honda is too expensive until you need it.
Could buy any new generator and still be cheaper in the long run.
Many many complaints on the newer models. They are not bullet proof.
Most times they do fine but I’m seeing more issues than I used to which makes it hard to justify spending the money.
Honda will last 3X longer
My Yamaha is awesome
Bought one for my RV, just perfect for my needs, which is to run my AC unit for a few hours before bed. I had a EU3000IS before which served me well for 10 years, but it was a pain to carry around. For everything else I have a yamaha ef1000is, which probably has 5000 hours, crazy. Yes the price is quite steep, but figured the reliability and the resale value after many years of use is worth it.
Ahh the Yamaha push rod motors, they last a long time !
Yea the 3000is is a tank though
For the money you’re out there in onan territory
Does this run a 13,500 a/c or 15,000? Thanks!
@RVingTheCountry Honda says specifically will run a 13.5k ac unit but it has no problem running a 15k
Pricy but prolly last forever…my 2200i has untold hours & zero problems ever so…thanks for what you do
Do you have the Bluetooth model even if you don’t you can check hours on the green indicator light
@@johnnysweekends it is bluetooth but I have never been able to figure out how to make it connect Lol you know us men I don’t read directions lol
Lol it’s easy down load app…
Scan QR code or punch in secret is code inside panel.
Then fire up generator and connect the app in the first 30-45 seconds 👍🏼😀
Let me know if it works
@@johnnysweekends ok thank you i’ll try that soon
I owned two eu2000’s. Then upgraded those to the eu2200’s. I also picked up the eu3000. It was a tank. Then I bought the eu3200 which is the perfect solution to all of my needs. No more carburetors.
Will be picking one up to use with our new Airstream. Only having to do maintenance for 1 engine makes sense. I don’t have any other generators currently. EFI is a game changer. Would never live in California. I enjoy my freedom.
I've had an eu1000 20 yrs prob first year model and still working fine.
Those are when they were bullet proof! That little thing is a runner!!
Having for over 5 years now, I'll keep my $700 whisper quiet 3500W predator thanks.
my older pre smog EU3000, sat in the back yard over the winter for 10 months. i tried just turning over the motor, thinking a couple easy pulls. but it started on the FIRST easy pull.
The original eu3000is was a tank and built to last. The newest models not so much. I sold mine because the inverter board was no longer available and no replacement. So I didn’t want a paper weight and I didn’t see any that crossed over.
Unfortunately seems more and more of the newer Hondas are not lasting like the old tuff built units. Keep that one till it dies !! Lol
I have one of these for my 30 amp RV and it runs everything fine in inclueding the AC for about 5 hours for a tank of GAS. Now I also puchased a 2200i because I thought I would need to chain them together and nope it runs it all except the mirowave and AC at same time ..
Got my eu3200 for $2600 shipped back in November.
Needed a slightly larger unit to replace our old eu2000 and didn’t want to deal with twin eu2200’s to power our 8-11 NorthernLite
Firm believer in buying up to Honda over the other cheaper options for longevity, ease of use and sound levels.
Looking forward to many years of use. Love being able to turn it off from in the camper when we are done for the night using the app.
So, was it worth the price of admission?
@@CoachKatanaHead Zero complaints so far - starts first pull like a Honda should. The Bluetooth connectivity is awesome to monitor and shutdown the unit from inside when the weather is gross. Camping next to buddies who have champion and HF generators - I'm happy with my decision.
When we are out on trips ski camping or steelhead fishing in the winter its running whenever the furnace is running. In the summer we only run it when the AC is on as our camper has enough solar for all of our other needs.
The cost proposition of the 3200 versus the 2200 is a tough one... We wanted a little more capacity than a single 2200 provides so the unit wasn't working quiet as hard for long periods. Since I was moving up from an old 2000, I would have needed to purchase 2x2200's to get the capacity required to run our camper. I went with the single 3200 for ease of use/ portability - with our truck camper setup, transporting 2x2200's would have been tough as we are limited on storage volume.
Im so impressed by this one, and I even saw one with only a few hours on marketplace for $2800 CAD. Then turn down my head to my current setup: 3300w firman + 1800w champion + Delta Pro + Delta 1300. Well, i might not need to expense more for occasional outages.
Bro great set up. DP original delta and more. You need a smart gen ..😀👍🏼
@@johnnysweekends lol no wayyyyy dude 🤣
It’s definitely pretty cool but you are already set up. Nice features for sure.
Flip the breaker to kill the power every few weeks so your wife will help you buy more generators😂
Lol
mine has been sitting since summer… with the -50 here in Canada, filled it up 1 pull she started no problem.
Nice those are the test that should be done , the noise levels are no consern for me. Espesially between a decible or 2
It’s late summer 2023 and they are now available in CA. Just an FYI. Great video!
Yea I did see a post from Honda and put out a notification.
Oh and thank you 😀👍🏼
Pricy but you cannot beat Honda quality and reliability!
It’s a nice unit for sure. I guess it better be for almos $3000
Our Chinese no brand 3kW runs reliably for the last 10 years and it was 1/10 of the price. While Honda is quality and reliability, I do not fancy myself paying 10 times more for a brand sticker. The thing is, if our Chinese generator shows signs of giving up or dies, we can go to the local store and buy another brand new 3kW one for 300-500 USD and we can continue to do so 10 times before we reach the price of this Honda, and I can guarantee you, no generator bought today will be a complete and utter dud, they will keep running past the warranty.
@@kurosumomo China makes crap
The strong selling points for me are the fuel injection, small relative light weight and hopefully Honda quality. The downsides for my needs are not enough power and no remote start.
I have had three inverter Champions in the 3500 to 4500 range. All have been a disappointment in reliability. I have had two at the same time and have had both down simultaneously.
I'm hoping Honda will come out with a 3500 plus fuel injected remote start in the 100 lb range. If it has Honda reliability, I would buy it. I would rather pay three thousand for a Honda that runs than one thousand for a Champion or other clone that does not run.
What happened to the champion units ?
How many hours on the units?
What happened to the champions? I have 2x hybrid inverter units and haven't had any issues with them.
Idk I wanna know as well.
Some comments I have to make sure I evaluate properly because is it more the owners fault or truly the unit…? All this comes to play on a unit that goes bad. Chicken or the egg thing
@@johnnysweekends exactly. My champion was left for years with the same gas, no stabilizer, nothing. Took like 40 pulls to get it started, but then it ran totally fine even on the old gas.
Last year Ian hit us and I used the same generator for 5 days straight. Used up the rest of my old gas from all sources, literally no issues and crazy efficient. I used approx 20 gal in 5 days of 24/7 operation.
Changed the oil at 100 hrs... Didn't even look too bad and this was cheap Mobil super oil.
I bought a second of the same generator last year open box but never run. Swapped it out in the last 12hrs of generator use so I could change the oil on my first one at 100hr runtime... Did the break in period for 5hr and swapped to the other generator again while I did break in...
All of these models were/are the electric remote start inverter generators that are used with a couple of travel trailers. All the issues are under 500 hours.
I had a crank but no start issue with the 3500 watt inverter generator. Carburetor and switches were good. I suspect a failed inverter module but I traded it in on the first batch of the now current 4500 units with a Champion distributor that I deal with rather than getting it fixed.
The 3400 unit, which I still have, has had a series of problems.
The small red light on off switch would not light and so the generator would not start. This switch is fused with a round glass fuse. Champion in all their genius, buried the fuse in a bundle of wires in the center of the generator. I saw it in the wiring schematic. I couldn't believe Champion would do something so dumb as to put a changeable fuse in such an inaccessible location so I called to confirm. Wait time on hold was an hour and forty-five minutes! The tech expert did not understand the issue and could not read the owner manual schematic. He did follow up and did ultimately confirm with a supervisor that indeed there was a fuse where I suspected.
I had to disassemble a good amount of the generator to access the fuse. The fuse was bad. It was cheaply made. The solder for the wire filament at the end of the tube failed causing the filament to intermittently lose contact. This repair was done outside in the middle of the desert in over 100 degrees heat. It was not a good time for a failure. I replaced the glass fuse with a blade fuse in a rubber holder and ran it out to the battery compartment. That is what Champion should have done to begin with.
The same generator failed on a December elk hunt when it would crank but not start. Nighttime temp was around 10 degrees. After doing everything I could think of over a few days, I took it to the distributor for repair. He found that a bolt came loose securing a valve rocker arm.
One of the two (I forget which one) would not start. I traced it down to a loose ground wire.
Last month the 3400 would not start because again the red on off switch would not light up. This time the fuse was good. I did a continuity test on the switch and it was bad. I had a spare switch that fixed the problem.
Because of all the issues, I bring along a box of spare parts I bought off the Champion website.
The switch has to be replaced by using a small screw driver to release a clip, then pulling it out and away from the panel. There is very little extra wire to clear the hole. It is so short that the metal terminal of one lead will easily touch the metal panel and short. Disconnect the battery first. It appears not much consideration was given to making these units easy to repair in the field.
Now for the 4500 model. About every 10 hours the engine will surge as if running out of gas even though there is plenty in the tank. I'm sure that does wonders for the trailer electronics.
The other issue with it is the power module breaker cuts out after about 45 minutes on a regular basis when attempting to power the AC. Power draws only about 1500 watts, well under the generator specs. I've taken it to a Champion repair station twice and they can't reproduce the problem. I suspect it is a weak inverter module that fails when warm.
The carburetor on the older series appears to be very sensitive to the smallest amount of dirt. I have dissambled and cleaned them multiple times because of rough or uneven running.
For comparision I have two Honda 2000 units bought in 2001 with a lot of hours that are used every year. I finally replaced the carburetor on one last year. That is the only significant repair they ever had. They have been used trouble free in the same way as the Champions.
This was a long response but you did want to know. I figured the detail was necessary so you can decide if the failures are product or user related.
All of these generators have been well maintained to factory recommendations, run on mats or elevated to be out of the dirt and although run regularly, they have not been abused.
I've had the Hondas for 22 years with almost no issues whereas the Champions have been a disappointment over the four years that I have been using them.
I hope this adds perspective to my original comment.
I’ll stick with my twin EU2000’s. Cleaning a carb with no power available is much easier than troubleshooting fuel injection.
@@karlwithak. oh really 🤣
Should ask all the upset eu7000 FI guys, because they are pissed.
@@karlwithak. even after people let it sit like they do with a carb’s generator and the fuel turns to varnish?
So they ditched the 30amp RV plug in the larger model? Just alienating the entire group of people this was designed for... Hmm..
You would think if they are targeting more of the Rv market a TT 30 amp plug would have been nice. The twist works but of course I would rather use the Rv plug and just run adapter for the house if needed.
The Honda will probably have less voltage drop when compared to less expensive brands; an "invisible" benefit for sure. Not sure that entirely justifies the price, but fuel injection (no jets to change for altitude, can use any pump gas, simplified starting routine) in a suitcase is a luxury. I have a 2200 and it's been great. Unless you absolutely need 2600W+ *and* fuel injection in a suitcase the price is tough to get past.
Yes tough price for sure especially when the power of two eu2200s and still way cheaper
i noticed the Honda's have a higher no load voltage i guess by time its loaded it will be pulled down closer to the actual rated voltage but the little 2200 was pushing it a little high on the no load voltage
I’m curious what it will do as we add the load and hold especially when it’s hot.
You can buy two 2200s for 3k 😅 no thank you. I can't see this being a big seller.
Lol darn near 3! I see used 2200s all the time and some with only a couple hours for about $800 in very good shape. That’s 3 of those. Or a bunch of other units at way less.
This will likely be sold to older folks that don’t want to mess with 2 units and only want to run a single ac unit in their little travel trailer. They just see the wattage and assume “Honda” equals worth $3k in their head.
I’ll also keep my 2200s lol
Honda rules IMO
O’doyole Rules!!!! 😂 👍🏼👊🏼
Very smooth running and a great app.
The app is pretty nice and simplistic 👍🏼
Sensors and electronics only make things unreparable after the warranty expires
My thoughts exactly why I put all of that junk on there that will only break
I’m sticking with 2 2200s in parallel instead of the 3200. In fact, the older 2000i’s in parallel are better in my opinion.
Those are per bullet proof units
I just bought a Honda eu2200i before the price spiked and it has been a game changer. I’m hoping to get many years of good use from it. Biggest complaint is the gas cap retainer, just gets in the way of filling.
Yea I agree with the fuel filling, would be nice to have a 1.5g tank
I use two 2200i in parallel. They have always worked great. I only use ethanol free premium with seafoam as the stabilizer.
If you use ethanol-free gas why do you use the Sea Foam stabilizer with it? Why use a stabilizer with 100% gasoline
@@ericdulyon4601 pure gas still oxidizes over time. Stabilizers slow the process. 🤷🏻♂️
@@Chickennss thanks
No and no, based on the price alone. For that money, you can buy (3) EU2200 if you look for them on sale and run them in parallel for more power and less wear and tear. Plus you'll have a backup to use for whatever you want.
from the harbor freight basement : hold on there , we got one coming soon !!!!! i love honda, there always exspensive but worth the money, superb video.
Thank you. It’s a nice unit for sure. Wish the price was a little more reasonable lol
Maybe Honda is seeing if these will do well on the Market. At this time having 2 EU2200's connected is best for me. Great Review! 🙌👍
A pair of 2200s is a hard set up to beat..!
Good Review :)
We have had the Honda EU2200I for 10 years
And if it runs and lasts anything like that model, It is worth EVERY penny you spend on it.
Runs every time we pull that rip cord.
P.S. Made in japan is also a HUGE plus :)
Made in Japan is a pretty big deal.
You don’t see that anymore
Would this eu2200s pull my 2011 sportsman classic ez model
Rv.
Pull it.. as in run the whole thing or just AC..?
Need more info
@@johnnysweekends The cord to start the old versions :) LOL
Great video, my question is why would you buy a EU 3200I at $3k when you can buy two EU 2200's (norm and comp) models for less $ and parallel them and have far more power. 4400W vs 3200W???
The only reason would be if you planned to parallel 2 Eu 3200's 6k plus taxes 😳😵
I think most will come to that. The new unit overall is actually pretty big and heavy
Because then you will burn double the fuel and that’s kinda the whole point to be reliable and yet efficient
I purchased 2 EU2200,s for $2100 which gives you more wattage plus if on breaks you have a backup. The EU3200I is not worth the extra $500 to $700 dollars unless you have space constraints.
This is the epitome of a solution to a problem that exist.
There's absolutely nothing wrong withe the previous Gen.
I like the 2200 but honestly it could have been a 2500 easily. And 2000 watt run or 2200 run.
If the problem doesn't exist, why are basically all makers producing 3000W gens at this point?
From the oil reports the Honda is the best long term investment! This Honda will hands down our perform all other brands. As you see how many people have had these for 10-20+ years ! That’s impressive. It’s not a a great amount of power for a house but it could power an emergency refrigerator and tv / Wi-Fi & fans. Enough to get you through a tough black out. And remember if you can run less accessories that would require a smaller generator in turn less fuel. In a black out / outage situation the most important thing is how long can you go on the fuel you have on hand. Efficiency is King ! And remember if it don’t start it’s all for nothing ! 10 gallons of fuel can last you a few days and that good in my opinion!
Champion 4500 dual-fuel for under 1500$ .What is there left to talk about? Oh electric start too
That unit is 49% off right now during a lighting deal !!
The Honda has 70,000 continuous running hours, good luck getting that with anything else.
@robertledsome3327 which one? No repairs or parts? Just a single unit?
That’s pretty high even for Honda
That thing sure is beautiful. I just think the price is too crazy. I went with a Westinghouse 4500df as I couldn’t justify the cost of the Honda.
It is nice but yea like most people, uhhhh its a pretty penny.
I lived off grid for many years and had an EU 3000 and ran it full load six hours at a time several days per week. The thing lasted 10 years! No other generator in the world will come close to that level of performance and last anywhere close to that long. If you have a high duty application then this is actually a very good price. If you're going to use it five times a year don't bother.
I think the EU3000 is one of the last that will be a true die hard Honda. Lots more problems with eu2200s than normal and the eu6500 and 7000 units .
Maybe it will last 10 years, yet for the same amount a money I could buy 2-3 other generators and get buy for just as long if not longer for far less money. I don’t see the value. Especially when we have solar panels and batteries providing just as much power. We only use a generator when we have more then 4 days of no sun. Which is very very rare.
Yea I dont use my generator so much now lol. Only when i need ac a lot
@@garyzimmerman8679 I disagree, nothing will last as long as that Honda. I've been installing off grid power systems for 24 years. But if you do have that kind of luck then all the best to you!
@@boblatkey7160 No what I was trying to say is that for the price of that Honda, I could buy a new cheaper model every 3 years and still spend less money then what one would spend on that Honda.
It’s like anything else, it’s worth what people are willing to pay for it irregardless of the person reviewing it or anyone commenting. I have a Honda 2200 and it runs flawlessly just like the Honda vehicles I have owned and also my Honda lawn mower. People are willing to pay for absolute dependability.
the fact that they rate their gen by its starting watts, and not its running watts is shameful.
i got a 7500w generator on craigslist for 100$ lol its an older model 2008 a think and not a Honda but who cares its 100$ and worked perfect just needed a new electric start battery
Owning both a EU2200i and a EU3000iS for 5+ years in the neighborhood of 200+ hours, I really have no complaints. Both have kept me powered up in out of away places and major power outages at home. One thing Honda got right is the muffler system where the exhaust notes is quite lower compared to the clones, so the sound at 23 feet just blends in with the ambient background noise. Excellent when you're in a National Park where it's 60 dBa at 50 feet and if Ranger Rick can't tell its a generator, the less likely he's gonna bust ya and your neighbors will love you to death.
With that being said, suitcase generators have quite a bit of tradeoffs when it comes to sound attenuation and saving weight. Since I mainly boondock and I have enough solar to keep my lithium batteries topped off everyday, but there days that you'll need a quick top off for those lean days; I bring along the EU3000iS for extra insurance. However, the bear of lugging around 130+ lbs of generator is a real pain; so the EU3200i is quite tempting.
Not sure if it's really worth the extra $200 MSRP to shave off 71 lbs difference for the rare handful of times I be using it. Maybe, I'll just wait for it go on special for a really good price.
You buy honda for the quality and reliability and life long service life. You get what you pay for
You should join some Honda forums. Might change your mind.
Great unit and great video 🤩
But I have to agree with others, the price doesn’t make sense 🤷🏽♂️
Oh man yea its tough to spend that kind of money on something you may not use much when a cheaper unit will do. Even if the cheap unit dies another can be had for $600 or so and you are still ahead.
So let me summarize.
It is louder than a EU2200i and for the price I can get two of them or for little more the EU70is which is also fuel injected but granted less portable. At that price point I'd like to see a catalytic converter on top so CO is a non issue.
Great video on the Honda, you helped me in my decision making, keep up your good work. on another note......
I hope nobody does business in that state anymore, California is leading themselves into oblivion, one stupid law after another. The people and businesses leaving that state tell the story.
Yea it’s crazy just one thing after another
If it did 240v split phase it might be worth a little upcharge, but at this price point, I'll stick with the 2200 or something like that.
1. Honda
2. Yamaha
3. Compromise
I bought this for $3200 Canadian dollars or $2400 USD.
Is this the only item we get a pricing break on compared to the US? You guys have to drop those Japanese tariffs.
Other than that - Incredible unit and worth every penny. Starts with one pull for me and it runs so quietly and efficiently.
I would love an EV specific generator/charger/evse with a J117 connector/ cord. There are so many broken chargers along the highway around here. Yesterday i saw a volkswagon at the side of the road that was out of charge. every charger in the last 200 kms was down.
You can use some of the larger 240 units but trying to charge a ev in general you need a large unit. 6000 watt at least or it will take for ever dust for a couple miles.
One reason I think I’ll be going hybrid for the next vehicle. It will cover all the short commutes but then will be good for the long drives. And maintenance will still be there but less.
Had the EU3200i been available a few years ago I would have gotten that one instead of the EU2800i that wound up purchasing. Having two EU2200i’s running in parallel makes an excellent choice over this one though, IMHO.
Considerations when buying Honda vs. other make
- heavy or emergency use. If the later buy cheaper brand
- EFI or non EFI. Of course EFI is more attractive
- single fuel or dual fuel. When times are tough propane will be more available than gasoline
- 120 v or 220v - 220 v is better if you want to power your house but in small generators that is not always possible
I wanted Honda and the EU 3200 would be perfect except it is not dual fuel and is an expensive option. Putting a propane conversion kit on it adds to the price if such a kit exists. Mine is for occassional or emergency use only,
Much as I wanted a Honda generator for quality and reliability, I ended up with a dual fuel Champion 2200w gen. It is not a white label generator so parts will always be available and is a good American brand.
I know it’s tough to consider this as nice as Honda is the prices are pretty darn crazy.
But the prices and demand I think are going down because I’m now seeing it more regularly at the $2509 verses $2799 price.
Still some trying to ask that or even more
If I thought I had another 15 years or so, I’d definitely find a way to purchase a Honda. Things being what they are, think I’ll just opt for the quietest.
I have the old Honda EU2000i and the Maxpeedingrods 3500... I really like the Max because it's 1500 more watts than the Honda and almost as quiet... The Max will run at least one of my AC's on my RV and it didn't cost 3 grand... I choose the Max....
The 3500 max seems like a great unit. I have less then 5 hrs on mine but it purrs….as you could see in the video. Even if the Honda got 6000 hrs and the genmax got 3000….well do the math
I have a pair of the EU2000i's. Very economical, almost whisper quiet. One of them will run the roof air on my cabover. I''ll never get rid of them.
Thsy need to offer one with electric start, remote start, and blue tooth. Especially @ that price tag.
Agree!
Interesting review, thanks for putting it together. Really like the FI option but the stickers shock is just too high. I’ll keep running my AiPower 1800/2300 (with the Yamaha engine) for our home 120V backup. Picked it up on sale at Costco for $400 (plus $70 shipping to Hawaii). It is noteworthy too that the 21.7A is for the base 2600 watts. It jumps up to 26.7A for the 3200 watts on the L5-30 port. As compared to 15A to 19.1A on my AiPower 1800/2300.
Yea the price is hard to comprehend lol. But the Aipower unit you have will probably last a long time.
Although the Honda has a starting watt rating of 3200 watts it’s sustained or rated running is 2600 watts.
But Honda has a unique feature that will let the machine run full rated 3200 for a small duration of time. That could be 5 mins or up to 20-25 mins depending on load, temp, and elevation. Much like the 2200i. But eventually it will shut down if not brought back to the 2600 watts rated load
@@johnnysweekends thanks for the insight.
I purchased the same Aipower generator as a backup. The cost of the honda is crazy.
I was a Honda guy for years. Ended up selling both my EU2000’s and buying a cheap Chinese Champion 3100. The reason why? Remote electric start/stop. If Honda would add that feature for the price they are asking I would buy one. Also I don’t blame companies that won’t do business in California. Why should they?
Yea it’s a shame, more companies keep leaving
*$2800 is silly... I can get a brand new 3800w generator just for $200 in my town. And still run great after 3 years now.*
I wish Consumer Reports would do a side by side comparison running these generators for a few days.
I run many of them for days. I think I’m about done with this model. If you are a Honda fan sure get it.
I find it ludicrous to pay for the crazy price point and low power and only slightly better fuel economy.
Plus it’s heavy and bigger than other models.
I can buy about 5 other units through the years if I needed.
And I can fix it if there is a fuel issue. Fuel injection is not for the traveler I think. Just my opinion
What sort of fuel injection is this? Direct Injection or port based injection? Being electronic, I assume this is the reason why the EU32i does not have a choke lever.
Port, which I’m glad. Definitely don’t want it straight into cylinder.
I’m interested that this is made in Japan. They must be bringing production in house. Usually it’s Malaysia.
Any recalls, so far? Bought a EU2200i when they came out new and it's had two recalls. Great unit, though, and my favorite portable ever. Might consider waiting a bit to see how this new model runs in use. The price is going to make a lot of us regular folks choke on our goulash, though.
No recalls like the 2200s but its still early. But I bet you may even see some used units for sale at a fraction of the price. I think Honda is missing a very big market!! $1999 these would probably fly off the shelf. But maybe they already are…🤷🏼♂️ I know production is limited.
$3K ?....Oh, Heck no.... I am not a "brand snob".....for Three Thousand American Freedom Eagles I'd rather go with 2 Harbor Freight Predator 3500w inverter generators that I have the flexibility to set up in tandem, move around my property or loan out to a friend. While I am at it, I'll throw in a 2000w HF inverter generator for light duty needs (camping...short term outage etc), buy a bunch of extension cords, power strips and still have a couple of hundred bucks left over. With commonsense care and maintenance, the HF units should last 20+ years or longer...even with long duration use here in Hurricane Florida.
Exactly with that money there are a lot of options.
my honda eu22i works perfectly for what i use it for never tripped the overload a single time the only thing i noticed with the 3200 is it runs way smoother hardly a vibration in sight and its revs up way faster with changes in load if honda don't discontinue the eu1000 or eu2200 i think its going to be a hard sell when the eu2200 is 80% of the generator for under half the price
Exactly. It’s not that big of a step up in power when you have so many options. It’s nice but under powered and over priced.
If they discontinue old models, I'd say the new higher prices are due to our massive inflation. Plus China is collapsing as a source for many things, and that's raising prices, too.
I guess some of that is true. Since this is a Japan model and not Taiwan like many others I wonder how many parts of any are sourced from China ..🤔
Hard to find Japan models now
@@johnnysweekends my australian eu2200 says made in thailand and our consumer law states they can't say that unless 51% or more parts are from the country of manufacture otherwise it must say assembled in thailand not made in from what i can tell honda have never built or assembled power equipment in taiwan
Your correct I meant Thailand and said Taiwan …. Good catch 👍🏼
The eu2000 and 2200 are both mainly out of Thailand from what I have seen
I bought one and I love it. I used to have the heavy 3000 with the key start and needed two people to put it in the back of my truck. It’s really nice to have the Bluetooth connected and see what kind of load you’re putting on. Also, imagine being in your camper because it’s raining and you’re lying in your bed just about ready to go to sleep and all you have to do is pick up the phone on your nightstand and hold the power button and it shuts off right before you close your eyes and go to sleep. Is it louder than the other one. Yes. But when you got a walk up the steps into the back of your 10 1/2 foot big foot camper on your F350 which one do you want to carry? You get what you pay for. You’ve spent 70 grand on your truck and 30 grand on your trailer and you’re telling me $3000 is too much?
All good points…..👍🏼😀
This seems perfect to keep on an EV for long trips!
It is nice for sure..!!
When the power goes out I pullout my 23 year old Honda 700C, it’s enough for lights, satellite, TV and internet!
Good little unit. I find myself using power stations now more than generators. Quick and easy. But long term or big power then yea, gen comes out.
@@johnnysweekends I have the EcoFlow Delta Pro and extra battery but 7,200 watts doesn’t last forever and then the trusty Honda is needed!
Correct, all depends what you are powering and if solar is available. But yea its not a replacement for a gas generator. But they are getting better and better that’s for sure.
California ran off Honda generators, huh? Honda is also discontinuing sales of their push mowers in the US. What a pity
Yup they are transitioning to batteries
But yup no more Honda in CA
Honda generators were the standard for decades.. but that has changed and there are way too many competitive choices in this market now. TBH, I have never had an issue with any of my carbureted generators .. So unless fuel injection means a 20% improvement in run time, I won’t seek it out. I have 5 generators.. including an EU1000, a Yamaha 2200 (which has been more reliable than the Honda for more than 10 years), a Kubota 5500 diesel and a 17K Isuzu diesel. And an antique Onan at the cabin (which is nearly 50 years old and still runs well).
Everything water cooled runs quieter.. considering they make water cooled computer components.. you would think someone would develop that.. my Kubota and Isuzu run at a much more pleasant frequency, but both are water cooled and only a few DB higher than the one tested. The Kubota is a job site unit, the Isuzu is skid mounted.
Agree. People think I hate Honda but they are not what they used to be. The eu3200 just sits and I’ll move it soon. I see so many for sale now at $1500-1900 and not selling. That tells ya something.
I wont even touch the cars.
This new Honda says FI for fuel injection. Notice how it does not say EFI for electronic fuel injection. I wonder how the fuel injection on this generator actually works do they have a electric high-pressure pump fed to a common single injector and uses a map, air sensor and a oxygen sensor to determine air fuel ratio, depending on what kind of altitude you’re in like a normal fuel injected vehicle does or is there some sort of special proprietary to the generator system and if something happens to it you’ll never be able to get parts for? Just wondering what makes the FI part of it witch is the only new thing here tick?
Well that’s what we will hopefully find out in the next few videos..
And Honda does advertise this as EFI
Go to site and read the spec and sales notes
It's alpha type of fuel injection. Like modern leaf blowers etc
Throttle Body Injection like the 90’s American vehicles, nothing too fancy.
Port injection actually since it passes the throttle body or basically modified carburetor.
Could you hook a propane tank to it? That would be cool because propane never goes bad.
Soon my friend … well I hope 😁👍🏼
I don't think those small generator engines have an oil pump. They use something attached to the bottom of the connecting rod to splash oil onto the cylinder and valves so it's better to try to start them up as quick as possible to get the oil circulating as quick as possible. I think priming the engine the way you do is causing the piston rings to scrape the cylinder wall that's not lubricated very well.
Dry start is inevitable of any engine. Pump or not.
Nice review. But the results would have been clearer if there had been a chart at the end.
I’ll have to add a chart for the next one. This was kinda a pre video to about two or 3 more I’ll do.
Great video but one Question why would you cover up your licence plate don't people see it when your driving around or when people are passing your house. I've seen a couple people do this on you tube most people don't but i never asked anyone so why cover it?
One, you can’t see my plate from the street and most people can’t see my Rv unless they look because it’s a deep side yard.
Two there are more freaks on the internet then on the road 😂😂😂😂🤷🏼♂️
I’ll ask you a question. How often do you pay attention to most license plate while just normally driving around?
Then how often do you look at a license plate while watching a video because you maybe curious where they are from? Or have a way to gain access to that info.
A lot of stockers out there hence what I said earlier 😂👍🏼
@@johnnysweekends ok if you say so. I wasn't trying to be a smart ass
I didn’t think you were. My response is kinda sarcastic in nature. But honestly, on the questions, think about it, I know when I drive down the road I normally don’t look much into license plates, unless it’s a unique vehicle or something.
But even when I watch videos I’ll look at peoples plates just to maybe see what state they are in. Just seems different watching a vid verses driving…🤷🏼♂️
@JOHNNY'S WEEKENDS yup I get you I do the same looking at plates too. I see alot of videos were I can see people's plates on you tube but I never thought about trying to track that person down but I guess your right. I live in vegas and see lots of famous people driving and can see their plates but never thought anything more about it. Crazy times ...
I for sure want one, but want to see the Genmax review.
Yup Ill be doing that soon once I get the new unit. Mine is preproduction unit and a couple changes have been made.
Way over priced in my opinion
they had an oppurtunity to make it bluetooth electric start and they chose not to... its going to be someone else to be the first to put a starter in this class of generator and I'm bummed it wasnt honda, it would have been a dominant force next to that pricetag.
Maybe in another decade eh?
If i had the funds i would change my kipor 2000IG sinemaster ( it works really good still tho ) for a honda, no doubt ! :) i am a honda beliver and fanboy. :)
It’s a nice unit but darn the price lol
Buy EU3000 if size not an issue. Better all around and less money with electric start!
If size/portable an issue, buy 2 x EU2200's. Again less money and now scalable.
Fuel capacity is N.G. on EU3200 for any use! EU3000 can over half a day!
P-Chi
It would be a great addition to my off grid plans but I would wait for the price to come down. Dang! I want it now! 🤠👍🇺🇸
I think $2599 will be the base which finally over the last two weeks I’m starting to see it more and more. Verses the $2799 or even higher sometimes . Crazy!
$2199 would be nice lol
@@johnnysweekends It would be money well spent, regardless. I bought an Ecoflow Delta Pro “just because” and I don’t regret it!
The delta pro is still the king!! All these larger power stations coming out and still can’t touch it. They did it right the first time. Maybe a couple small tweaks but still, Dam tough
Id like to see how some of these geneator handle minus 25 celsius scenarios .
Would be good but I don’t live anywhere that gets that cold. I try to avoid those temps lol.
@@johnnysweekends ya i dont blame you . I use a generator in those temps for work . I had a yamaha 4000 watt for a long time it just stayed on my work truck and worked like a champ. But they dont make that model anymore and im looking for a new one thats not 3000 dollars
Just commented to say... i read every manual. Especially for something that costs thousands of dollars.
Nice!!! I knew there was somebody lol 👊🏼👍🏼😁
Better buy 2 units of eu2200 and get more than 4000w and save about $1000
Yes…👍🏼
Do a video comparing the Honda vs the New GenMax EFI ?
Thats the plan
Very nice generator, but just way too pricey. Owning 2 EU2200i makes much more sense.
I’m a Honda guy However I got a harbor freight predator 3500 inverter generator for 900$ with 200 hrs on it. The Honda may be nice but I can buy 3 3500s for the price.
I have seen the predator well several with over 5000 hours, and a couple had 10k!!
If you buy the returned Predator 3500 you get almost five for the same price, get a 20% coupon and then you would get five. I have bought three of them all returns and saved a ton.
I am going to be honest. The price isn't the worst thing about this generator. It's the fuel tank. A generator should be able to run for at least 12 hours before having to refill it. I mean dang you can't even get a nap with this thing before it runs out.
Uhhh agree…3 hrs at 1900 watt load…??? Really.
Hondas do well at 50% load and less. And the small tank is a joke. I hardly use it. Probably gonna sell it. Although I see several for sale now on FB so it’s barely worth $2000…realistic $1800 maybe.
Here’s food for thought. I would never buy another Honda anything and here’s why… about 1.5 years ago I bought a Honda eu7000is new from Honda. It worked for 147 hrs then failed. It would shut off and not start again randomly and without warning. It then spent over a year ant the Honda dealership. They told me tit was fixed 2 times but it continued to fail. When I brought it back to the dealer the 3 time they told me they couldn’t fix it and to come get it as Honda wouldn’t pay them anymore hrs to repair it. I tried another dealer in town and they told me they can’t Accor for repair as Honda has failed to pay them as well. I ended up selling it broke and took a 3000 loss. When I talked to Honda corporate they told me all they can do has been done and that I now had a 6000 boat anchor (it was still under warranty by the way). I know this sounds crazy but it’s 100% true. All I can do now is recommend to anyone who cares to never deal with Honda. FYI both AZ Honda dealers told me this was not an isolated problem.
Wow I am seeing more and more problems with the eu6500 and 7000 unit.
And yes not uncommon. And I would be furious at that kind of a loss of a unit.
That’s hardly any hours. And I’m seeing several stop working around 250-750 hours. Which is nothing !