Will Grass Grow In FULL SHADE?? // Dense Shade Testing + Seeding Blankets
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- I finally have a full shade area of the new property to test some of my elite cool season grass seeds in dense shade.
Should you really plant bluegrass in dense shade? Not likely but I like to know for sure exactly how something will react to different conditions and see it with my own eyes. I also show you some other updates and add a few seeding blankets to some of the new test plots to make sure the grass seed stays in place.
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Well here's the deal. If you plan to plant it in the shade in the spring YOU GOTTA WATER IT DURING THE DROUGHT. I did not, I got busy and forgot until it was too late :(
Great advice, looking forward to your next video mate 🤠
Maybe some expanding foam for your spreaders wheels.
Hey I had the same issue with my spreader. I used cardboard at first to block off the wheels but found spray foam works best!
Looking good brother
Nice farmers tan bro!
Quite the farmer’s tan you have going there
Looking forward to the results of the shade mix? I'm getting ready to aerate and overseen this weekend!
Had the same issue with the tires on my spreader. I just used duct tape and it’s been holding up well.
Always mind boggling that all of the companies that give RK some crazy, awesome, expensive equipment, no high end spreader company has reached out to him??? 🤔
Ryan that farmers tan brother
I'm a farmer....of grass
Haven't heard you talk much about birds eating your seed. I just overseeded and I have a flock of birds enjoying my seed.
Love the video new subbie I'm here to learn 😁
Last year I looked up ideas for covering the insides of the Scott's mini wheels... There are some creative ones out there. Saw a cool one where they used one of those cheap pie pan/tin things. Shouldn't be too complicated though yeah 👍🏻
My parkway has very dense shade under two maple trees. From May until the leaves fall it gets the least amount of sun. I put down GTO, 4th Millenium and Valkarie LS. Aside from the trees battling the grass for water, it doesn’t thin out too badly, requiring a little seed in the fall.
Ok which song is used at the beginning? Really like it. Not finding it reality in the Spotify list
try taping a piece of cardboad on the inside of the wheel. cheap and easy
Those yellow flowers are tickseed sunflower, I planted them in my yard. They are a great visual cue for when to plant grass seed, when they get to peak or just before peak bloom is the perfect time to plant grass seed.
First Aussie 😁
Zoysia will grow in 70% shade. That’s why we have it.
Thanks for the vid!
Hostas in shade garden.
Aka salad bar for the deer.
Bro- take your shirt off every once in a while. Your tan line game is strong 😂😂. Takes one to know one 😂😂
Can you put Kentucky blue grass in shade area where it is mostly shade? Or should I look to putting in a rye grass…currently I think I have Kentucky blue grass there but it is really thin…should I just apply a heavy overseen and should it be ok? It does grow about as even as the sunnier areas just real thin.
There are certain brands of KBG that do excellent in the shade; the only problem with KBG is how long it takes to germinate. All the pros I have spoken with told me not to use KBG seed, and that KBG sod is pretty much the only way for the grass type to survive.
I love the camp area! I have an area similar but it’s only 2500 sq ft., I think I’m gonna just plant wildflower mix
I think I’ve seen people use cardboard disks to cover the hollow space in the wheels on the spreader
What's with the audio just before 7 mins in? Sounds like bugs instead it follows your voice... I'm not trippin tonight lol
You could dominate the ASMR Cricket channel.
C'mon, Fall! ..But not too fast..
The deer are going to love the hostas. Look into oakleaf hydrangea, astilbe, brunnera, and ferns for rabbit and deer resistance in your shade garden
Will do 👍
@@colnathanrjessup687 Based on my personal experience with deer in the northern Virginia suburbs, yes. We don’t have rabbits, but the deer demolish our hostas unless we apply stinky animal repellent granules on them.
Close to first
Woo first in
you have to rake the leaves consistently for it to thrive in shade. Also cut all grass at no lower than 2 in (I cut mine at max height)... the roots will grow deeper and be more drought resistant. When you cut too short, all the energy the grass expends on regrowing blades.
I definitely think you should build at least one golf hole. A tee box, fairway / rough, and putting green.
Already planned on it
Maybe spray some expanding foam inside those wheel nooks
Wish you had smaller bags of seed. I only have 2000 Sq ft and don't need 25 lbs lol. But everything looks great 👍
Which grass type do you need?
Yeah 25lbs would last me longer then the viability of the seed. Ha
@@ryanknorrlawncare I was looking into your Rye/Kbg mix.
@@ryanknorrlawncare yes sell smaller bags! I haven’t purchased because it’s way too much seed for what I need. Perennial specifically
@@Palacemalicee we carry the grand slam in multiple sizes
Ryan what’s the link of the mower you used in this video
Spray foam in the wheel.
Are you using the “elite shade mix” offered on your site? I was wanting to see how good it was in heavily shaded areas
Yep the area I showed with the leaves in this video is that seed
For the spreader wheel stripe problem, I cut a cardboard circle the size of the inner wheel and poked holes in it to use zip-ties to attach it to the wheel. It has worked out well for reducing the issue. Simple & cheep.
This is exactly what i did on mine. Held up for a while until i got rid of the spreader completely.
@@jimmaul yes, I strictly use mine for seeding now, so as I don’t have to wash it down. I’ve purchased another larger solid tire spreader for fertilizer applications.
I noticed you have a side discharge on that mower hooked up to the back, are there universal ones I can get for mine? I think I have a Toro and it was a gift so it didn't have any kind of extras with it and no flap on the main housing to side discharge the clippings. Where should I go for something like that and or should I just mulch it? I only plan to use it on a lawn of new seed. Any thoughts?
It's probably a super recycler which doesn't have side discharge. Mulching is fine as long as the grass doesn't get too long where it's clumping
Going through this myself. Planted some fine fescue from outsidepride. Would have bought yours but I only needed enough for 800 sq ft. I'm on day 4 and still no germination. Biting my nails. And of course, we also had a heavy thunderstorm early yesterday that was NOT in the forecast. 😂
Have your water if it will be used as Drinking water tested for PFOAS!!!!!!
filling your wheels: low expansion foam like you would use around windows/doors. (which you may have on hand) Use a razor knife to cut level with the side. quick and easy.
Sometimes if you do a little bit of everything everywhere you'll just end up taking on so much and probably surprise you how much more you end up doing than expected just like stuff is too good and everything is doing so well you might as well just keep going and going
Yes but usually never stays Thick
Hey Ryan I’m not sure but maybe you could just turn the wheels around on that spreader. It would look funny but hey whatever works right.
I've been watching you for a little over a year and have learned a lot about lawns. I'm in Maryland, zone 7 and picked up the Soil RX kit under your discount code and WOW, who knew. We struggle with neighbors on 3 sides who have Japanese stilt grass. Over the last 2-3 years we've eliminated quite a bit but still struggle to have some areas on our 1 acre wooded lot improve. The soil test showed we had low PH and low in phosphorus, not that that will eliminate the stilt grass (chemicals are our friends😉), but I'm so encouraged that we're finally going to get some better results with improved soil. We put down lime today and will use a starter fertilizer with high phosphorus when we overseed in the next week or two. We're trying to get a lawn of turf type tall fescue. Thanks for the content you put out, the explanations and your video on the soil test kit. I might never have done a soil test without that video. Here's hoping we get the results we're longing for. Also, we put in irrigation last year to improve our chances, so that part is already done.
Also, congratulations on the new build. We built our house 36 years ago. It's magical!!
I have a section of grass that's so shady that moss flourishes no matter what I do. Looking forward to your dense shade testing results as time goes on.
Poa supina is by far the most shade tolerant grass. If this doesn't grow, there's no chance
I want to know if you can grow grass with moles. I’m renting and there’s miles and they won’t eat the poison and I’m not going to use a death trap.
I had the same spreader issue when fertilizing, and used Great Stuff gap filler. It worked perfectly to fill the space, however still left lines due to the granules hitting the wheel. Scrapped the spreader and upgraded.
Maybe some insulation spray foam to fill the inside of that tire up? Then saw it flush and clean
Tin pie plates work to act as a filler on the spreader wheels, little more durable than cardboard
Ryan I can just imagine how beautiful you are going to have your property looking in just a couple more years. I'm sure it will be completely transformed. Keep up the Great work 👍
You can grow grass in your closet. The trick is making it survive
For the drop spreader wheels you can try some foaming gap/crack filler and then trim off any excess with a razor knife after it dries.
Another mower change??? Is there another Reel brand on the way???
Yeah you have leaves down already also!!!!! Maples????
So the newly seeded area at the end of the video was only going watered by rain?
Sheesh that farmers tan ain’t no joke.
You will have a ton of grass to mow. Mowin’ every day! 🤪
I pretty much mow every day as it is. Nothing new there
@@ryanknorrlawncare, yes yes you’re correct. Let me reword that, you will be mowing day and night now. Gotta have some good flood lights on all mowers.
👍🏻🌱
Ryan…when can we set an update on the housing construction? Opening of this video glanced a distant shot.
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Maybe the wheel could be flipped so the lip is on the outside?
I'll look into that and see
This is great I just put down the super shade blend from United Seed in the back yard after building a retaining wall. Almost full shade in SE Tennessee. Should be a good test. Great stuff as always Ryan!
I went with the super shade mix.
Love the tan line on arms
I've been waiting
Ryan, if I buy your perennial what are the ideal temps to over seed in? Like what’s the hottest temp it should get in the day?
I don't worry much about the high temps as long as it's not 75 every night and humid. We're still in the low 90s
@@ryanknorrlawncare thank you lots. Here in AZ it’ll be 90 in the day in October when I seed then 50-60’s at night
More plots. Yes!!!
I’ve seen a hack for the Scott’s spreader where people put aluminum disposable pie plates on the inside.
I did that with mine, I still get stripes with fertilizer just because it hits the plates and drops. It may vary based on the prill size and rate that it comes out. I'm still experimenting with it to try to not get stripes. My theory is lower rate but make tighter passes might help.
@@nemesis256 yea I had it years ago and cut my losses to upgrade to the elite spreader. I see the pie plate trick after I had already made the change.
To wheel upgrade diameter needs to be 8 inches instead of 13in, 13 in is too high which makes fertilizer or any product hit the wheels and fall straight down
YAY
I have an area under some very large oregon pine trees that is very shady most the day. I only have grass in this area in spring. After that you can see the areas that die off follow the shades outline.
What do you suggest for this location? (The shade seed you are selling?)
Edit: does the pine tree needles and cones mess up the PH? I tested it last year and it was difficult to get a solid reading with them soil test kits from the local home improvement store.
This is the shade seed showed in the video ryanknorrlawncare.com/product/ryan-knorr-lawn-care-elite-shade/
@@ryanknorrlawncare So this is good for the PACNW? Thank you for your help on this matter. I tried the shade mix sold at THD and it didn't hold up.
@@MKultrapdx yep it will work there
Best off just making it a bed bc you will never have good grass under a pine tree, even if you put seed every year its really just a waste
Used that same blanket for my backyard reno this past spring and it worked really well.
Did you pull the blanket up after a couple weeks or did you leave it down?
@@jeremyphillips3828 we pulled it up once the grass had started growing in. We had it down for 20 days I believe and then we pulled it up.
I've had mine down for 10 days and most of the grass under it is 2 inches tall or more. I had to lift some areas so it wouldn't be hard to pull up. I'm wondering if I take it off now, will the heat affect the grass growing. I'm in south/west Missouri.
@@jeremyphillips3828 like I mentioned we had ours on for 21 days and the grass was a good four or five inches and even when we pull out the blanket it really didn't pull up the grass. Obviously you just need to be nice and slow when you do it but we had no issue.
Thank you.
Ryan, so the reason why that blanket is different than you are used to, is because it's not straw. It's a wood based product. It's generally a little more expensive, but won't have any seed friends in the mix. I love them. Just take em off like you usually do don't leave em out. You can usually get 2 or more uses out of them if you've got something else to throw em on when you are done.
Yeah I knew it was wood but it's just no my favorite haha
@@ryanknorrlawncare Haha yeah I get it. I've got a dedicated set of fabric scissors that I use on it. What I like about it is probably what a lot of folks don't like with it. It's got much more 3D profile, it stands up off the ground a little better than normal straw blankets, which allows some airflow around the top of the ground, but it also acts to slow down water/rain so it helps soften hard rains so you get less run off. It also makes it a little more difficult for birds to get to exposed seed, and they don't like going in it for a meal. it also allows more light through to the canopy.
Now you do have to be proactive to get it off the turf once it starts to stick up through the blanket otherwise that complex nest of wood fibers can get the grass blades bound in it and it can result in you pulling up your new grass. Anyways, cheers!
I noticed that the Ryan Knorr Lawn Care Elite Shade does not use any tall fescue. Essentially every resource I have personally read says TTTF is better than both Rye and Bluegrass in this situation. Can someone help me understand the thought process here. Thanks
Tttf and fine fescue don't pair well together because they look much different and have a texture that doesn't match. There are certain cultivars of bluegrass and rye that have been tested to better in shade and are also similar texture to the fine fescues. They make up a small percentage of the bag as well.
@@ryanknorrlawncare ty!
That raking sound at 11:44 sounds EXACTLY like someone eating crunchy cereal, you should be a foley artist