Great observation, I agree switching bits / adapters / extensions is real inconvenience. Especially when your all gloved up and wearing eye protection. If you can afford it, having each tool set up (and leave it set up) for the task really makes the reassembly task much more enjoyable. Thanks for the vid!
Great topic / vid as usual, FRM. I have the M18 Fuel impact driver. It can do almost everything. Have broken loose rusted, loctited and T50 torx bolts with it, and lug nuts (just to see if it could). Definitely not as fast as a 1/2” impact, but I believe it can hang with a 3/8”. Delivers about 120 ft lbs of torque I’d guess. That being said, agree on efficiency. In addition to what you said, the driver adapters can snap. Having the impact wrench beats fumbling around for your backup adapter or borrowing one or a trip to the big box store.
That torque loss in the impact driver does provide another advantage = control. When you are running things in that torque loss (or reduction) doe translate to a better feel when you are running in delicate fasteners.
I own all the Milwaukee impact wrenches and ratchet. The compact 1/2” i can break 90% car and SUV lugs with it. Saves time no stupid hose to pull and and then have the1/4” for the oil filter access doors and other trim pieces. My air wrench literally has not been used in months. Other technician in the shop is the same. Our efficiency’s went UP!
The impact gun actually has a higher rated torque to begin with, so with the impact driver it has less torque plus with the adapter it loses torque too.
Impact wrenches traditionally use more torque to RPM vs impact drivers. That said... M12s as garbage battery solutions and don’t provide the AH to last their rating. M18’s were slightly better but for the total cost of replacement, ditch the shite green screen setup and buy Bosch.
Rurne I love when people specifies the IMPACT WRENCH as impact “GUN” 🤣🤣 Well, the fact that all tools designed with a “gun-shape” are locally called like that! ...because you’ll not buy a brand new tool that’s shaped as a gun and says “impact gun” by the manufacturer! Lol Whether they’re impact wrenches... OR ...impact driver! The first used with sockets to work on car’s lug nuts. The second used for lag bolts or any sized screws to fasten through different applications.
Rurne Impact wrenches & impact drivers the difference between them is from skies to earth! Impact wrenches have more torque (*usually measured in Ft-lbs. for USA -- Nm for Britain or elsewhere) with moderate RPM’s . And the applications they’re used for I mentioned it in the 1st comment. While Impact Drivers have have less torque (*if we compare them to impact wrenches, of course) but lot more torque than ANY cordless screwdriver* . As for torque for both, is measured in (In-lbs -- for USA at least) .
Great advice. I finally got my self situated with a "one battery" system, but I went Makita. I know everyone loves their Milwaukee, but I have to be practical. Where I live, Milwaukee is a mail-order only. I can get Makita (and Makita service) locally and (by pure luck) at a reasonable price. So far, with about 2-1/2 years on my oldest 3/8 impact, I haven't needed any serious repairs. Just a new battery latch (because I dropped it). But yeh, I couldn't imagine ripping the dash out of Chevy truck without my cordless tools.
If torque sticks were based on length, then they would be different lengths for different torque specs. They work on harmonics, when the target torque is reached the harmonic of the previous impact recoil cancels the new incoming wave of impact and reduces torque to zero. That's why they work good on big rat-a-tat-tat impacts, but continue to over-torque using mid-grade popopopopop impact wrenches. The harmonics are tuned for the bigger guns.
I bought a kobalt 24 volt 3/8 impact gun from a coworker of mine, and honestly it has impressed the hell out of me. Can take lug nuts off cars and pickup trucks (although I use my 1/2 inch air impact to do that whenever I have to) and the little 2 amp hour battery lasts forever. Then again, I'm not using it all day at my job, just maybe a few times a day here and there. Would recommend to go all Milwaukee if you can, but as a cheap first cordless gun, that one has worked great for me.
I didn’t have an impact driver until recently. I got it because it’s a lot lighter than my 3/8, so I use it for taking off screws and bolts that aren’t torqued to hell.
I prefer using my m18 impact wrenches/drivers, but what I like about the m12 is that I can use my little m12 driver for stuff like cleaning the inside of rims without being worried about it chewing anything up compared to the higher power stuff.
The impack driver is more versatile you can get wire brushes drill bits and screwdriver bit for them the versatility helps alot when working out in the field
What if both have the same torque? Or if the impact driver has more torque than the impact wrench, then the driver is more powerful than the wrench? Thanks
I love my m12 "little guy" driver, but my M18 Fuel driver will remove lug nuts off my F250 tightened to 150 lbs. It has enough strength to be used as a wrench in many applications.
I can get away with having an m12 and m18 impact driver. Ive been using them in a professional setting for 3 years now. Would a 1/4 and a 3/8 impact be better? Probably and when funds allow I will probably buy one of each just to up my efficiency . Great video.
+John Barry depends on your work, i use all of them all the time, if you tend to do a lot of dash work 1/4 might be a better fit, or if you do more engine heavy line 3/8 might work better, under hood stuff more the m12 3/8 and it can get in tighter places etc, i hope this helps
Did Milwaukee come out with a stubby 3/8 impact too? I have their gen 1 fuel one and love it. If they do shoot me the part number please. I love all your videos, keep up the good work. -alex
Saving up for 3/8 m18 impact right now... however, to the guys and girls that don’t have one... within 24 hours of getting my first 12 volt impact driver I knew it was a game changer... also, I’m not really a fan of the m12 impact driver.. I run a Makita cxt... the handle is much nicer in the hand since the battery is more like a traditional drill and slides on the bottom... still have m12 (3/8 ratchet) with more stuff in the future, but for my drill style tools, I just don’t like that big fat grip. I have the same advice with tools as I do with firearms... go to the brick and mortar store, even if you don’t have the cash to spend today... put different options in your hand... don’t let me tell you which feels better, you will know the right one when you have it in your hand
I want to buy the big Milwaukee impact fuel M18 if I use it on my 2016 renegade to take the wheel off will it Break My nuts or anything because it’s to powerful or will it be fine if I use it on level one
Both, of course! An impact driver for screws and an impact wrench for bolts and nuts! You can go on a lower setting on an impact wrench (especially with One Key or similar), but doing screws on a 1/2" or 3/4" wrench? Sounds overkill to me. And you would need that dreaded adapter that makes you lose that precious torque. 🤣
I used just those small hex nut driver bits for years. . . on a black and decker drill. Thought I was a genius having hand-held unscrewing power for so cheap, back when hand-held impact was a rare and spendy item. When front to back distance matters, nothing beats a hex nut driver bit in the hex impact driver, its shorter than the 1/4 with a 1/4 socket. At least for the Makita brushless they are. I love those little things, they work great in the hex impact and in the little hand-size bit ratchet, where now your fat ass hand is the limiting accessibility factor. I'd use the 1/2" on caliper bolts though, I'd expect to run into too many that bitch-slap my 3/8 impact, since the last guy who put them on at pep-boys buried them with his 1/2" air impact.
Longtrailside your very welcome im not an automotive tech but i work on heavy equipment and i have a nut driver, 3/8" impact, 1/2" impact and 3/4" impact gun and by far my most used/ go to gun is my 3/8" so its just my 2 cents but i dont see how you could go wrong with a 3/8 gun tbh
Flat Rate Master hey you never know, a guy at our shop took a 25,000 rpm die grinder and put 4,000 rpm rated eraser wheel on it, guess now I’ll wait and see who it hits lol
Buying an Impact wrench Milwaukee M18 Fuel. My question how much power should I buy? 600 ? 1000? 1400? The last thing I want is be under powered for the ONE NUT, you all know what I mean, the nut that will not come off. I am a DIY person and don't get into the Engine much but suspension work need power.
He might be right, but I'd definitely invest in the m12 line up if I were you my 2 year old beat up m12 fuel 3/8 impact is a beast and the m12 ratchets are amazing and it looks like these little guys are great. The m12 is smaller lighter and the 3/8 impact definitely packs a punch and is very durable and I'd imagine the m12s might be a little cheaper. But if you're already fully invested in the m18 line maybe that's your best bet.
M Ho I've seen a lot of people talk bad about the snap on, a co worker of mine has one the 3/8 impact. First all it more expensive. Second it's bigger. This it had less warranty. But my co worker still loves it idk I didn't think it was amazing or terrible when I used it helping him put a lift gate on. Personally I love the m12 3/8 that thing is powerful, I don't necessarily trust putting lug nuts on with it, but when I'm taking tires off I use it if I'm not bear an air hose. It's super light small and powerful. And it's brushless and has a way better warranty. And it's cheaper.
I've used my air hammer a few times as a dealership tech. I also like the longevity of air tools. They can be dropped and used all day and still keep kicking as long as you oil and grease them
Dude... You're holding two entirely different tools like the only difference is a collet vs an anvil. The torque of an impact driver is in inch pounds or tens of foot pounds. An impact wrench is in foot pounds, by the hundreds. And the RPMs are totally different for different purposes...
I traded my impact driver for one with a clutch as they are getting so much power and speed .and more and more plastic found under dash that I wasn't going to be the one that strips the screws on someones air filter box or blower motor or over torque the window mod on a Ford edge so the bolts just spin
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This video really made an impact on me.
+mdlee52 😉🤣🤣🤣😋
With lots of torque?
You don't know what you've been missing... until you've used the right tool for the right job!
So True Thomas!
A Inch Matters? That's what She Said
Lol
It turned out sexual down here 🤔
You can never have enough Milwaukee tools anyhow....great video!
I've been thinking about it for a while, and you covered all the questions I had in mind with this video. Thanks for the review.
Great observation, I agree switching bits / adapters / extensions is real inconvenience. Especially when your all gloved up and wearing eye protection. If you can afford it, having each tool set up (and leave it set up) for the task really makes the reassembly task much more enjoyable. Thanks for the vid!
I now have three Milwaukee 12 volt tools!! I am planning on getting a 1/4 ratchet to match my 3/8. You are absolutely right about this tool.
Great video. I find that my 1/4" impact driver is pretty handy, but that adapter makes it just long enough not to get into a lot of places.
Great topic / vid as usual, FRM.
I have the M18 Fuel impact driver. It can do almost everything. Have broken loose rusted, loctited and T50 torx bolts with it, and lug nuts (just to see if it could). Definitely not as fast as a 1/2” impact, but I believe it can hang with a 3/8”. Delivers about 120 ft lbs of torque I’d guess.
That being said, agree on efficiency. In addition to what you said, the driver adapters can snap. Having the impact wrench beats fumbling around for your backup adapter or borrowing one or a trip to the big box store.
Efficiency is the name of the game when working flatrate.
Another awesome video great info ive never seen the point in having a driver and 1/4" impact both but now im rethinking things lol
When youre getting into small little places, an inch matters. ;)
I giggled when you said... When you're getting into small places an inch matters
That torque loss in the impact driver does provide another advantage = control.
When you are running things in that torque loss (or reduction) doe translate to a better feel when you are running in delicate fasteners.
I own all the Milwaukee impact wrenches and ratchet. The compact 1/2” i can break 90% car and SUV lugs with it. Saves time no stupid hose to pull and and then have the1/4” for the oil filter access doors and other trim pieces. My air wrench literally has not been used in months. Other technician in the shop is the same. Our efficiency’s went UP!
The impact gun actually has a higher rated torque to begin with, so with the impact driver it has less torque plus with the adapter it loses torque too.
Impact wrenches traditionally use more torque to RPM vs impact drivers.
That said... M12s as garbage battery solutions and don’t provide the AH to last their rating. M18’s were slightly better but for the total cost of replacement, ditch the shite green screen setup and buy Bosch.
Rurne
I love when people specifies the IMPACT WRENCH as impact “GUN” 🤣🤣
Well, the fact that all tools designed with a “gun-shape” are locally called like that! ...because you’ll not buy a brand new tool that’s shaped as a gun and says “impact gun” by the manufacturer! Lol
Whether they’re impact wrenches... OR ...impact driver!
The first used with sockets to work on car’s lug nuts.
The second used for lag bolts or any sized screws to fasten through different applications.
Rurne
Impact wrenches & impact drivers the difference between them is from skies to earth!
Impact wrenches have more torque (*usually measured in Ft-lbs. for USA -- Nm for Britain or elsewhere) with moderate RPM’s . And the applications they’re used for I mentioned it in the 1st comment.
While Impact Drivers have have less torque (*if we compare them to impact wrenches, of course) but lot more torque than ANY cordless screwdriver* .
As for torque for both, is measured in (In-lbs -- for USA at least) .
Impact gun?
Great video thanks brother keep up the great work see you in the next video
Great advice. I finally got my self situated with a "one battery" system, but I went Makita. I know everyone loves their Milwaukee, but I have to be practical. Where I live, Milwaukee is a mail-order only. I can get Makita (and Makita service) locally and (by pure luck) at a reasonable price. So far, with about 2-1/2 years on my oldest 3/8 impact, I haven't needed any serious repairs. Just a new battery latch (because I dropped it). But yeh, I couldn't imagine ripping the dash out of Chevy truck without my cordless tools.
If torque sticks were based on length, then they would be different lengths for different torque specs. They work on harmonics, when the target torque is reached the harmonic of the previous impact recoil cancels the new incoming wave of impact and reduces torque to zero. That's why they work good on big rat-a-tat-tat impacts, but continue to over-torque using mid-grade popopopopop impact wrenches. The harmonics are tuned for the bigger guns.
I bought a kobalt 24 volt 3/8 impact gun from a coworker of mine, and honestly it has impressed the hell out of me. Can take lug nuts off cars and pickup trucks (although I use my 1/2 inch air impact to do that whenever I have to) and the little 2 amp hour battery lasts forever. Then again, I'm not using it all day at my job, just maybe a few times a day here and there. Would recommend to go all Milwaukee if you can, but as a cheap first cordless gun, that one has worked great for me.
Yes I would like more videos exactly like this one
Maybe you should get a holster, fastest impact in the south.
;)
Very good vid I have just the driver for 1/4 I use that and the ratchet
Lol love the way you had to check which one it was 0:06 😂
I didn’t have an impact driver until recently. I got it because it’s a lot lighter than my 3/8, so I use it for taking off screws and bolts that aren’t torqued to hell.
What's the difference between the two? "Impact gun" = "impact wrench"?
I prefer using my m18 impact wrenches/drivers, but what I like about the m12 is that I can use my little m12 driver for stuff like cleaning the inside of rims without being worried about it chewing anything up compared to the higher power stuff.
The impack driver is more versatile you can get wire brushes drill bits and screwdriver bit for them the versatility helps alot when working out in the field
YES I LIKED THE VIDEO AND YES I WANT TO SEE MORE VIDEOS AND YES I HAVE SUBSCRIBED AND YES PLEASE KEEP THOSE TOOL VIDEOS COMING .
Both are Needed
What if both have the same torque? Or if the impact driver has more torque than the impact wrench, then the driver is more powerful than the wrench? Thanks
Get both!!!!
I love my m12 "little guy" driver, but my M18 Fuel driver will remove lug nuts off my F250 tightened to 150 lbs. It has enough strength to be used as a wrench in many applications.
I buy a lots of tools but it seems it's not enough
Great video but now I have to buy them little milwaukee guns lol. Just got the ratchets and love them
+Robinson's Auto Diagnostics 😈🤣🤣
i dont know if buy de m12 or the m18 impact driver we also have pneumatic 3/8 impact gun and a 3/8 pneumatic ratchet
Impact driver /impact wrench
I can get away with having an m12 and m18 impact driver. Ive been using them in a professional setting for 3 years now. Would a 1/4 and a 3/8 impact be better? Probably and when funds allow I will probably buy one of each just to up my efficiency . Great video.
+John Barry depends on your work, i use all of them all the time, if you tend to do a lot of dash work 1/4 might be a better fit, or if you do more engine heavy line 3/8 might work better, under hood stuff more the m12 3/8 and it can get in tighter places etc, i hope this helps
Milwaukee is were it's at and yes size matters
Did Milwaukee come out with a stubby 3/8 impact too? I have their gen 1 fuel one and love it. If they do shoot me the part number please. I love all your videos, keep up the good work.
-alex
Not as far as I know, Just a stubby Impact Driver
Saving up for 3/8 m18 impact right now... however, to the guys and girls that don’t have one... within 24 hours of getting my first 12 volt impact driver I knew it was a game changer... also, I’m not really a fan of the m12 impact driver.. I run a Makita cxt... the handle is much nicer in the hand since the battery is more like a traditional drill and slides on the bottom... still have m12 (3/8 ratchet) with more stuff in the future, but for my drill style tools, I just don’t like that big fat grip. I have the same advice with tools as I do with firearms... go to the brick and mortar store, even if you don’t have the cash to spend today... put different options in your hand... don’t let me tell you which feels better, you will know the right one when you have it in your hand
are there any air tools you own that haven't been replaced by a Milwaukee tool?
+93sundance air hammer, die grinders, stubby impact, 3/4 impact, and Air Saw
I want to buy the big Milwaukee impact fuel M18 if I use it on my 2016 renegade to take the wheel off will it Break My nuts or anything because it’s to powerful or will it be fine if I use it on level one
What about the impact gun?
Both, of course! An impact driver for screws and an impact wrench for bolts and nuts!
You can go on a lower setting on an impact wrench (especially with One Key or similar), but doing screws on a 1/2" or 3/4" wrench? Sounds overkill to me. And you would need that dreaded adapter that makes you lose that precious torque. 🤣
3:57 that's what she said
Would I need impact sockets if I used a 1/4inch impact wrench or is the power from it not enough to damage normal sockets?
I used chrome for years on my Matco 1/4 in, but bought impact sockets due to the chrome sockets, tearing up the hog ring on my Matco
@@flatratemaster good to know, thank you for all the help.
I used just those small hex nut driver bits for years. . . on a black and decker drill. Thought I was a genius having hand-held unscrewing power for so cheap, back when hand-held impact was a rare and spendy item. When front to back distance matters, nothing beats a hex nut driver bit in the hex impact driver, its shorter than the 1/4 with a 1/4 socket. At least for the Makita brushless they are. I love those little things, they work great in the hex impact and in the little hand-size bit ratchet, where now your fat ass hand is the limiting accessibility factor. I'd use the 1/2" on caliper bolts though, I'd expect to run into too many that bitch-slap my 3/8 impact, since the last guy who put them on at pep-boys buried them with his 1/2" air impact.
milwaukee stuf is the best!! except 1 inch impact
I wish I knew where there was a spare 1/4 Matco bit Driver about? 😜
+One Auto, jessie now holds them😉
What about if you could only choose between a 1/4 drill driver or the bigger 3/8 drive impact?
Longtrailside id go with the 3/8 first for sure
Thanks for the advice!
Longtrailside your very welcome im not an automotive tech but i work on heavy equipment and i have a nut driver, 3/8" impact, 1/2" impact and 3/4" impact gun and by far my most used/ go to gun is my 3/8" so its just my 2 cents but i dont see how you could go wrong with a 3/8 gun tbh
I use a half inch impact hand driver with a 18” extension (chrome) and reduce it to 1/4. ad a number 2 Phillips bit to take out door panel screws
But y?
Alex Coleman I was joking 😂 I hope no one is dumb enough to do that!
+Nick Priest lmfao, someone will though😐
Flat Rate Master hey you never know, a guy at our shop took a 25,000 rpm die grinder and put 4,000 rpm rated eraser wheel on it, guess now I’ll wait and see who it hits lol
Starting tech and I need a impact. 1/2 or 3/8 to start with? Have 1/2 air gun already
+Tanner Markeson 3/8th!
Buying an Impact wrench Milwaukee M18 Fuel. My question how much power should I buy? 600 ? 1000? 1400? The last thing I want is be under powered for the ONE NUT, you all know what I mean, the nut that will not come off. I am a DIY person and don't get into the Engine much but suspension work need power.
I have a gen 1 m12 impact driver, waiting for the gen 2 m12 impact wrenches
Same
The 1/4in impact has 500inlbs and the driver has 1200inlbs I don't get why but found out ppl are actually swapping anvils to get the extra torque
What is the number or item number for the 1/4 impact ? Thanks
2553-20 for the bare tool
What obd2 scanner do you recommend for a young mechanic going to automotive school?
Launch millennialium
@@flatratemaster okay thanks !
good video
M12 3/8 or M18 3/8 to start with? If u already have M18 1/2
+M Ho m18 3/8
He might be right, but I'd definitely invest in the m12 line up if I were you my 2 year old beat up m12 fuel 3/8 impact is a beast and the m12 ratchets are amazing and it looks like these little guys are great. The m12 is smaller lighter and the 3/8 impact definitely packs a punch and is very durable and I'd imagine the m12s might be a little cheaper. But if you're already fully invested in the m18 line maybe that's your best bet.
Alex Coleman currently I have m12 ratchet and snap off 18v 1/2 so I'm now in a very awkward position on what to get for 3/8
M Ho I've seen a lot of people talk bad about the snap on, a co worker of mine has one the 3/8 impact. First all it more expensive. Second it's bigger. This it had less warranty. But my co worker still loves it idk I didn't think it was amazing or terrible when I used it helping him put a lift gate on. Personally I love the m12 3/8 that thing is powerful, I don't necessarily trust putting lug nuts on with it, but when I'm taking tires off I use it if I'm not bear an air hose. It's super light small and powerful. And it's brushless and has a way better warranty. And it's cheaper.
Impact wrench vs impact driver
I have multiple tools because Stone Cold said so! 💀
Pneumatic tools seem to be taking a back seat to cordless these days. Interesting.
wyattoneable agree but still some things air just does better mainly die grinders lol but cordless tools are such a godsend!
It would be nice to have both in your arsenal of tools for sure.
wyattoneable I like air tools since you don't have to worry about batteries. But cordless is great for tight spots or if you want less torque
James Johnson Yes sir, benefits to both.
I've used my air hammer a few times as a dealership tech. I also like the longevity of air tools. They can be dropped and used all day and still keep kicking as long as you oil and grease them
You think you make a video on claiming tools on your income taxes and how that works... Thanks in advance
ROB TECH usually up to 3 years worth and get 30% on return
Do it please
I have air tools and working ..
Dude... You're holding two entirely different tools like the only difference is a collet vs an anvil. The torque of an impact driver is in inch pounds or tens of foot pounds. An impact wrench is in foot pounds, by the hundreds. And the RPMs are totally different for different purposes...
What’s up with all the skipping and fading in and out?
Old video sorry was still learning video editing
Get a 1/4 impact and 3/8 impact that’s battery incase your 3/8 air impact brakes because every one know air is king
I traded my impact driver for one with a clutch as they are getting so much power and speed .and more and more plastic found under dash that I wasn't going to be the one that strips the screws on someones air filter box or blower motor or over torque the window mod on a Ford edge so the bolts just spin
+Maxwell Peter the Milwaukee has 4 power levels, level 3 broke my # 3 Phillips bit, so yes power adjustments are important