Wow! Good job! "She's alive, she's alive!" Glad you were able to make it work out! I'm liking the looks of the Mistress' front wheel, too. Would be cool if the rear hub looked like that as well. Congratulations, and thank you for another great vid!
You inspired me to bolt on 2 1200w Ebikeling motor kits to my 20 year old Key West cruiser. I’m 61 and when I drive by at 40mph while pedding really slowly, it gets a lot of attention!
Holy shit, that's a badass bike. Best part is you probably had an awesome time creating this beast of a bike. Now you can ride it around,and be proud of what you have created. Your like Dr. Frankenstein
I have a 2016 RR and you've inspired me to get moving on getting the Bolton controller installed. Been too busy to do so. Don't take any criticism to heart; people want to beat up on anyone and everyone! You've created a beautiful monster there...well done! Jim
Thanks Jim! If people want to put negativity out in the world i just let them 🙂 you will really like the controller upgrade and it's super easy. Best of luck in your modifications, it's a slippery slope haha
Awesome man. I have nearly the exact same setup on my mongoose dolomite. I love it with the AWD. I have twist throttle on both sides. I can get over 60 miles using pedal assist on both sides.
A most excellent Video, young Man. I have a Silver Fox 'Slither' Downhill Bike, (look it up), that I have been planning to convert using two Independent Systems for VERY good reasons, and your Vid will aid my build greatly. The Slither, with its Full Suspension and massive Forks, is already nearly a Trials Motorbike without an engine, and looks just MADE for climbing or with its Full HD Suspension comfortable for road use depending on tyres. Where the Two Independent Systems come into their own is if you Climb or Cruise. With the 2 System System, (LOL!), you can apply as much Power to either wheel as you wish. If you are climbing, you need weight over and in the Front to pull you up, where the Rear will just shove the Front into the dirt, and if you are on the Road, acceleration is far more important than climbing ability, and sheer weight transfer in Physics, (my Job), throws your weight back on the Rear wheel where it can be used best. As both Systems F+R will be bought at the same time, I will be using Two Thumb Throttles and Screens neatly side by side. I want to know THIS ! How do you bypass the Peddle Assist so the Motor will respond directly to the Throttle ?? Do you simply disconnect it ?, and if so, with such power why have any connected at all ? Why not ride it like an Electric Motorbike ? Great Video, American Dude. .
This is an awesome upgrade ! You were right I pushed the connector in harder and I heard it pop / lock. I did wire both my motors to a single throttle and it is a hill climbing beast now. Thanks for the parts list and idea ! I'm pretty sure I'm the only one in Hickory NC with a dual motor Rover. LOL
I am grinning all through this video. Hats off for wearing all the protective gear. Might be a little crazy but not stupid. Can't wait for a warm dry day to see the tests. Just brilliant.
I just got done building my Dual Mode E bike after months of thinking out the best way for there are many failures of not really practical while keeping the data system as jus 1 system. My base motor is my rear GEAR 500watt which I use the display of using. Trick is I only used the 2nd front 2000watt Direct drive motor once I get the Rear Gear motor running on Cruise Mode as the 2nd is the accelerated which pushes mph up to 60mph while riding over 10 miles long distance as with just using the DD motor you can only go so far at top speed of a minimal of 3 miles themost. With Gear motors you can ride 24plus miles at the least full throttle. This was the most practical method for my needs as I need to pull 150plus lbs for 12miles without having to cool down motor( Direct Drive motors Cons) Yeah!!! It is the Practical need as I'm glad I studied all the various failures and achievements.
Awesome video and btw you're more than just "some guy" I've been watching your channel and your content is amazing, not to mention you have a very calming voice. I'm a new subscriber and I look forward to watching more of your videos.
Love your videos dude. They definitely sold me on the Radrover. I’m wanting to start upgrading mine too but I’m pretty happy with the electronics with the exception of maybe getting a second battery. First thing I plan to do to it is put a dropper seat post. Excited to see your top speed awd test, keep up the good work...
Going with two batteries instead of one is better for battery health too imo. 65A is something like 3x the original power draw, that could heat the batteries up and possibly cause premature wear. I think you went about it the best way, I'd consider PAS only on the rear with linked throttle if it was an easy waterproof cable but it wouldn't be worth the effort to custom build one for me either.
I love your bike, its so much better than my fat tire rear hub motor. Your 2nd controller is so neat it just looks like its part of a big mudguard. I am researching in order to install a front hub motor, but I am hoping to use 1 controller and 1 battery, ( I only want a bit of extra grunt for hills.) I use my back rack for camping gear, so no rom for extra battery. I thought of quite a neat replacement for the throttle / brake cut off issue - instead of the current throttle design just have a really small easy to pull version of a brake lever that is 1 or 2 finger operated for the throttle, therefore you would instinctively let go of it in order to pull the brake lever, this is better than having the ability to use a thumb throttle at the same time as pulling brake lever with the fingers.
Dear Mr. Cycle, I am a big fan of your videos. For a recent ebike buyer, the content is interesting, and the video production is excellent! Thanks, nerdguy
CC, awesome video. Like the power this thing puts out when you ask. Can you do a range test of 3 sections:1.Both drives, 2.Front only, 3. Back only? Is the stopping power good enough to bring AWD to a stop within a safe distance? Also , if possible, I suggest you get a Super Monarch AWD bike and compare it with this.
My dual ride will be done in the next week--just got the front hub motor today.My 750 pulls 1300 to 1400 watts up a similiar hill to what you did and is at about 12 to 14 throttle only and you can fel it strain.Like you i want the torque and want to make sure both motors last.I might as well spend the money now and extend the life and enjoy 2 motors.BTw someone did a chart and having both motors--each one works at like a fraction of the power then one trying to do it--so there is hardly any strain.I also have a steep trail near me--proabably a 15%--not only does my 750 strain and I starin trying to pedal--but the front end wants to lift up--so having a the weight and extra power will be safer.
I was kinda worried that there would be some sort of 'un-even-ness' with one motor fighting the other one, or maybe some instability between the two wheels, but apparently it's all even and works! I think I'd still want both motors to be able to be controlled through one throttle/pedal-assist system, though, instead of separately - that seems like it would feel strange to me (not having experienced anything like that). Great video, and Thank You for your continued experimentation with the RadRover - You're an inspiration to us 🙂
Generally speaking, it's best to run either a 2 channel controller, or two controllers that can communicate via canbus. Having them running from different controllers will work, with results dependent on how closely matched the two system are. But you don't get to fully leverage your hardware the way you can with synchronized controllers. You'll get higher efficiency with less wear, as well as implementing a limited slip feature where the controller backs off/cuts out power to a wheel that is spinning at a substantially higher speed. Two separate controllers over canbus, one battery that can be split into two (20s6p to 20s3p+20s3p) with a switch - gives you a single system that can be instantly split into two in the event of a component failure for 'limp home mode.'
Any drag on the front motor, Do those direct drive Motors Freewheel the way the geared hubs do. Do you think you are ok with just the torque arms up front. Not poking holes in your work just brainstorming, but would be a little concerned about snapping the dropouts on your suspension Fork. If it was me and I may do a similar build down the road because all wheel drive bikes out of the box are just unbelievably stupid expensive right now. But would probably put a steel rigid Fork upfront. But have you seen the new Eunorau Defender yet looks nuts.
It weighs 98 lb. I'll have to keep an eye on the front forks to see if I notice any stress cracks in them or anything. I may have to change them out down the road.
I'm only half way through the video, and I love this build. If you had a side car on this and paint the whole bike and sidecar OD. OMG. It looks like a WWII motorcycle. Third Indiana Jones movie scene? Sick!!! Sorry about that, back to the video.😃
diy moding ebikes is as fun as riding them. you should see the monstrosity ive been creating, its on a different level of complexity altogether, lots of failures but eventually we land success. like your bike, a success
I like your set up.the brake cut outs are only needed when linked to pedal assist. You could probably play with Tyre air pressure to help with traction on cold wet days but less air pressure means more drain on your batteries. I’m playing with a two motor drive, but I don’t want to think about how I’m riding, I would like both to work simultaneously.
What's the range? Has it improved because of split duties? Do you have it rigged for recharging off the front hub or both(to double re-charging rate down hill) or do you not bother with power generation on the fly?
Damn ! Congrats on completion of an awesome proj. Gives us hope ,or jus want to ?? ,( some how Obtain something with the caliber as well as FUN , & user F.) Thanx for Sharing the info. TC✌
I bought my Rad Fat and have done everything you have done except the all wheel drive.. Your recommendations are solid I love my Rad with the True 750 Bafung motor.. If I box my Rad up and send it to you can you make mine all wheel drive too.. LOL love the channel love the upgrades
@@CitizenCycle925 that's an awesome bike, best part is you probably had an awesome time creating this beast. Your like Dr. Frankenstein. So if this is an AWD bike, what would you call a bike with a mid-drive motor plus a motor in both front and back wheels?🤔🤔, Is that possible?
@@CitizenCycle925 Hi, I did the controller and it was a breeze with your instructions. Bike has a little more speed and power. I'm waiting to try it out at the farm before possibly trying the motor upgrade. Thanks for all the tips and videos, I enjoy your channel!
this is one of the first major mods ill do when I get my new ariel rider KEPLER. after I now its running fine maybe a month. already have $600 upgrades all ready
I’m back, your getting my attention again, anytime you add to a RadRover I’m all in on it, so far I’ve done everything you’ve done but haven’t upgraded the battery yet don’t know if I’ll be brave enough to turn it into a four-wheel-drive but we’ll see thank you for your videos God bless. Mark.
Hi Mark, what I did was totally unnecessary 🙂 as you know, it's pretty powerful with just the controller and motor upgrade, this is a whole another level though
Hi friends, very nice bike really love it, let me say there is no such thing as the motors fighting each others like some people say, if one of the motors reach target speed and the other not so the one with less speed will work harder while the one with more speed will reduce amps to mantain speed and reduce torque so at the end both systems depend on target speed and not on individually voltage or amps, every controller has a curve of power vs speed so playing with the throttle and speed adjustment both controllers/motors can be sinchronized to same power/comsuption/work time, nothing complicated just practice
Maybe swap the front and rear wheels with motors so you have the fatter tire and bigger motor on the rear wheel? Would the higher amp bolton controller work with the new front motor?
Great Video i was going to do exactly what you done however i reconsidered due to weight on the bike but after seeing this video i am thinking of doing it again
so, with the separate systems; you don't have to have the same wattage as the rear? If rear is 48v...front has to be 48v or can you have a higher voltage? Besides the power of AWD to tackle hills, another plus in having the dual motor having separate systems is that if one motor fails; you have the second motor to get you home lol. Does you set have separate battery?
CitizenCycle, Personally, I like the idea of a switchable SINGLE hand twisted throttle control and preselected paralleled batteries/controllers. Obviously, getting that rear tire/wheel matched to the front fatter-broader tire/wheel. Maybe even fatter in the rear. The management of the 2 systems is not complicated. If you don't want to 'lace up' the new rear, pay a PRO to do it for you, duh? I'd add a better headlight, maybe something from 'Olight' with a medium spread? I'd also try unifying the two brakes by playing with the ratios of front/rear until you find that 'sweet spot'! Another thought, modify the circuit of your chargers to a selectable rate. Probably 2 modes would be great in finding that 'sweet spot' between quick and battery longevity and a full fast charge for when it's really important. Playing with these thoughts and concepts is incredibly satisfying to the inventive mind!
I have a CSC on order and might do this near the end of the year. A 1200 watt fron hub motor along with a 750 watt and 2 decent batteries sounds like so much fun and range.I am sure they get pretty good range since none of them should be straining at all.I would like a splitter or whtever it is so when i throtel they both go at the same time. I wish they would make these plug and play and not so much splicing.
Did you have any problems mounting the wheel into your fork? Is the bolt diameter the same as your oem wheel? Does your fork have a circle groove that the washer and nut sit in?
Those zip ties are is good as duct tape. I used them to hold my bike rack on the rear sides and have carried a lot of weight and it still works three on each side
Being the front motor is Direct Drive. That should be your main motor. The reason is when throttle is off and coasting. There is drag from the magnets. The geared motors have a clutch so no drag. The DD motors also are more efficient at higher speed. So when running single motor I would use the front, and add the rear geared motor when needed. Also I would get a three position switch and connect the two motors to the PAS sensor. So when you pedal you could activate both motors, the front only, or the rear only. And they would work on PAS. Then keep throttles separate. I bought a couple 3 way switches on Ebay. I am going to do a bike with a direct drive rear, and a geared motor front. On a mountain bike I have. On my Rad Rover I would like to do as you did. Because so far I have not found a fat tire geared front motor.
hey bro I bought a kit like that, but the motor fits in the back but is too wide to fit in the front fork. The way you did it was the way I wanted to do mine. How did you get the kit to fit in the front fork? did you have to get wider forks?
I think I would have the front motor on pedal assist due to drag. The back motor has no drag being a geared hub motor so it would make more sense to me to have the front motor on pedal assist, J.S.
Awesome bike! 👍 I haven’t had my Rad out in February yet maybe next. I’m going to try to ride at least once every month this winter! From Northern Vermont
I hope you show hill climbing in the dirt and grass up steep hills. That is the hill climbing ability I would want a 2 wheel drive bike for such as hunting. Also add a trailer and see what it can pull.
A friend gave me a folding bike for xmas and I purchased a 3000w luna mid drive for it and a 2100wh battery from eBay. I put a 4000 lumens headlight on it and several tail lights and some multicolored chicken lights down the side and only ride at night. It looks like a ufo and is a wheelie machine. I get stares from everyone when I'm passing cars and screaming down the greenway trails at 2a.m. It's the scariest bike I own!
I think putting on the batteries on the front would make it harder to steer and handle, Plus I don't know where you'd mount it on the front. Bag by the handlebars is by Rock Bros
Wow! Good job! "She's alive, she's alive!" Glad you were able to make it work out! I'm liking the looks of the Mistress' front wheel, too. Would be cool if the rear hub looked like that as well. Congratulations, and thank you for another great vid!
You inspired me to bolt on 2 1200w Ebikeling motor kits to my 20 year old Key West cruiser. I’m 61 and when I drive by at 40mph while pedding really slowly, it gets a lot of attention!
Now you have to add a mid-drive motor on this bike with a third battery
Lmao......
I agree
And with that many motors and batteries, you need at least 1 backup.....for each of the 3 motors.
🤣😂🤣😂😭
LMFAO 😂😆
Holy shit, that's a badass bike. Best part is you probably had an awesome time creating this beast of a bike. Now you can ride it around,and be proud of what you have created. Your like Dr. Frankenstein
It was super fun project, and riding has been a blast so far.
@@CitizenCycle925 that is a beast
I'm currently building a ebike with two hub motors with each one having 1500 watts. I can't wait to finish it. Great job man
Duuuuude this is so cool! My son was talking about making one of these so he can ride through the Florida sand, and here you have already done it!
I have a 2016 RR and you've inspired me to get moving on getting the Bolton controller installed. Been too busy to do so. Don't take any criticism to heart; people want to beat up on anyone and everyone! You've created a beautiful monster there...well done! Jim
Thanks Jim! If people want to put negativity out in the world i just let them 🙂 you will really like the controller upgrade and it's super easy. Best of luck in your modifications, it's a slippery slope haha
@@CitizenCycle925 Nice build. Is the front hub a gearless and the back a gear motor?
@@user619tlsdca5 front is a direct drive, back is a geared hub
That's fun for the whole family. And "somewhat" safe. I love this guy.
What is the maximum weight capacity?
Awesome man. I have nearly the exact same setup on my mongoose dolomite. I love it with the AWD. I have twist throttle on both sides. I can get over 60 miles using pedal assist on both sides.
Brilliant, simplicity brilliant :)
The way an ebike should be.
A most excellent Video, young Man.
I have a Silver Fox 'Slither' Downhill Bike, (look it up), that I have been planning to convert using two Independent Systems for VERY good reasons, and your Vid will aid my build greatly.
The Slither, with its Full Suspension and massive Forks, is already nearly a Trials Motorbike without an engine, and looks just MADE for climbing or with its Full HD Suspension comfortable for road use depending on tyres.
Where the Two Independent Systems come into their own is if you Climb or Cruise.
With the 2 System System, (LOL!), you can apply as much Power to either wheel as you wish.
If you are climbing, you need weight over and in the Front to pull you up, where the Rear will just shove the Front into the dirt, and if you are on the Road, acceleration is far more important than climbing ability, and sheer weight transfer in Physics, (my Job), throws your weight back on the Rear wheel where it can be used best.
As both Systems F+R will be bought at the same time, I will be using Two Thumb Throttles and Screens neatly side by side.
I want to know THIS !
How do you bypass the Peddle Assist so the Motor will respond directly to the Throttle ??
Do you simply disconnect it ?, and if so, with such power why have any connected at all ?
Why not ride it like an Electric Motorbike ?
Great Video, American Dude.
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Thanks for showing us your experiments on the Rad-continue to keep us up dated! You really helped me branch out with my Rad.
Dude u have a rad. I saw one in real life. That thing was over built. Your good on almost any power mod u do 👍
This is an awesome upgrade ! You were right I pushed the connector in harder and I heard it pop / lock. I did wire both my motors to a single throttle and it is a hill climbing beast now. Thanks for the parts list and idea ! I'm pretty sure I'm the only one in Hickory NC with a dual motor Rover. LOL
Wow that's great news!!! Glad it worked out, The motor on the front does make a huge difference. 😁
@@CitizenCycle925 Yes it did. I'm over 200# and the front tire spins on take off. I like it. LOL
Absolutely love this build! Looks crazy, 1 thing I'd love to see on it is hydraulic brakes. Another than that it's perfect
I am grinning all through this video. Hats off for wearing all the protective gear. Might be a little crazy but not stupid. Can't wait for a warm dry day to see the tests. Just brilliant.
I really like the 2 throttle set-up.
@@nathannilsson1427 yes I really think that's the way to go
I just got done building my Dual Mode E bike after months of thinking out the best way for there are many failures of not really practical while keeping the data system as jus 1 system. My base motor is my rear GEAR 500watt which I use the display of using. Trick is I only used the 2nd front 2000watt Direct drive motor once I get the Rear Gear motor running on Cruise Mode as the 2nd is the accelerated which pushes mph up to 60mph while riding over 10 miles long distance as with just using the DD motor you can only go so far at top speed of a minimal of 3 miles themost. With Gear motors you can ride 24plus miles at the least full throttle. This was the most practical method for my needs as I need to pull 150plus lbs for 12miles without having to cool down motor( Direct Drive motors Cons) Yeah!!! It is the Practical need as I'm glad I studied all the various failures and achievements.
Awesome video and btw you're more than just "some guy" I've been watching your channel and your content is amazing, not to mention you have a very calming voice. I'm a new subscriber and I look forward to watching more of your videos.
Thanks you Matthew!!
Love your videos dude. They definitely sold me on the Radrover. I’m wanting to start upgrading mine too but I’m pretty happy with the electronics with the exception of maybe getting a second battery. First thing I plan to do to it is put a dropper seat post. Excited to see your top speed awd test, keep up the good work...
Going with two batteries instead of one is better for battery health too imo. 65A is something like 3x the original power draw, that could heat the batteries up and possibly cause premature wear. I think you went about it the best way, I'd consider PAS only on the rear with linked throttle if it was an easy waterproof cable but it wouldn't be worth the effort to custom build one for me either.
I love your bike, its so much better than my fat tire rear hub motor. Your 2nd controller is so neat it just looks like its part of a big mudguard.
I am researching in order to install a front hub motor, but I am hoping to use 1 controller and 1 battery, ( I only want a bit of extra grunt for hills.) I use my back rack for camping gear, so no rom for extra battery.
I thought of quite a neat replacement for the throttle / brake cut off issue - instead of the current throttle design just have a really small easy to pull version of a brake lever that is 1 or 2 finger operated for the throttle, therefore you would instinctively let go of it in order to pull the brake lever, this is better than having the ability to use a thumb throttle at the same time as pulling brake lever with the fingers.
Dear Mr. Cycle, I am a big fan of your videos. For a recent ebike buyer, the content is interesting, and the video production is excellent! Thanks, nerdguy
Appreciate the kind comment! Glad you are enjoying my videos :)
You've built a bike every ebiker wants to own that bike would make me smile every time I rode it my friend it's a beast but I love it .👍🏾💙
Love it all! I am going to do this to my Radrover 6 plus.
you are the reason i bought a rad. your videos have been very helpful thanks
Glad you find them helpful, hopefully you're enjoying that bike
Wow! This is big tennis! Great job!!! Bet it's a lot a fun off road.
Your having fun now! Like the 2nd throttle 🍻
Great job Citizen.
I'd love to see your frankenbike in a drag race against a top of the range bike.
Hi Mike, I might have to do a drag race series...🙂
Yes, there is one more thing. With that kind of speed, I would consider upgrading the brakes.
hydraulic, 4 piston, and larger rotors - maybe 210s on the front.
HOW ABOUT AN EMERGENCY BRAKE
Bolton has the ones where you just replace with hydraulic calipers at the wheels, and keep your brake lines, brake levels etc,
Front wheel kits are sold out.
i did on my three motor Ariel Rider D bike yes got to stop
Cool, I have a 250w geared brushless hub motor on my bike with a 55v 13ah battery and a 22amp controller, she's AWESOME
Your splash guards are Great
Lovin'your invocation
Because of you I am making an all wheel drive lectric 20" xp bike. I've just started gathering the parts so it will be a while.
very cool! good luck! enjoy the project :)
CC, awesome video. Like the power this thing puts out when you ask.
Can you do a range test of 3 sections:1.Both drives, 2.Front only, 3. Back only?
Is the stopping power good enough to bring AWD to a stop within a safe distance?
Also , if possible, I suggest you get a Super Monarch AWD bike and compare it with this.
Mine has the same set up 1000w in front and 1500w in rear both independent on each other and it’s a blast to drive!
Great look! Sooo cool!!
You've out radded rad👍
Love this bike its what got me watching your channel from last year
Thanks Tennyson!!
Nice, modded my Lectric xp the same way, whole new bike now. No more uphill struggles. 👍🏽
You put a front motor on lectric XP..? that's awesome!!
@@CitizenCycle925 I get a lil crazy on that thing now, it’s posted on the channel if you wanna check it out. That Rad looks beasty!
My dual ride will be done in the next week--just got the front hub motor today.My 750 pulls 1300 to 1400 watts up a similiar hill to what you did and is at about 12 to 14 throttle only and you can fel it strain.Like you i want the torque and want to make sure both motors last.I might as well spend the money now and extend the life and enjoy 2 motors.BTw someone did a chart and having both motors--each one works at like a fraction of the power then one trying to do it--so there is hardly any strain.I also have a steep trail near me--proabably a 15%--not only does my 750 strain and I starin trying to pedal--but the front end wants to lift up--so having a the weight and extra power will be safer.
I was kinda worried that there would be some sort of 'un-even-ness' with one motor fighting the other one, or maybe some instability between the two wheels, but apparently it's all even and works! I think I'd still want both motors to be able to be controlled through one throttle/pedal-assist system, though, instead of separately - that seems like it would feel strange to me (not having experienced anything like that). Great video, and Thank You for your continued experimentation with the RadRover - You're an inspiration to us 🙂
If used wrong, you WILL wreak!!!!
Generally speaking, it's best to run either a 2 channel controller, or two controllers that can communicate via canbus.
Having them running from different controllers will work, with results dependent on how closely matched the two system are.
But you don't get to fully leverage your hardware the way you can with synchronized controllers.
You'll get higher efficiency with less wear, as well as implementing a limited slip feature where the controller backs off/cuts out power to a wheel that is spinning at a substantially higher speed.
Two separate controllers over canbus, one battery that can be split into two (20s6p to 20s3p+20s3p) with a switch - gives you a single system that can be instantly split into two in the event of a component failure for 'limp home mode.'
Love it I'm going to add front wheel drive to my bad ass blackbird, you inspired me...
good luck!!! how you liking that Blackbird?
@@CitizenCycle925 awesome bike worth every penny...
Awesome 👍 think I might do the same except put a battery cutoff switch for the front wheel Incase something goes wonky and won't cut off
Congratulations on a great build
That's top and speed for each motor as well as combined speed for both motors
Any drag on the front motor, Do those direct drive Motors Freewheel the way the geared hubs do. Do you think you are ok with just the torque arms up front. Not poking holes in your work just brainstorming, but would be a little concerned about snapping the dropouts on your suspension Fork. If it was me and I may do a similar build down the road because all wheel drive bikes out of the box are just unbelievably stupid expensive right now. But would probably put a steel rigid Fork upfront. But have you seen the new Eunorau Defender yet looks nuts.
It weighs 98 lb. I'll have to keep an eye on the front forks to see if I notice any stress cracks in them or anything. I may have to change them out down the road.
Glad you know about the forks C.C.!
You have major skillz!👍🏽
I'm only half way through the video, and I love this build. If you had a side car on this and paint the whole bike and sidecar OD. OMG. It looks like a WWII motorcycle. Third Indiana Jones movie scene? Sick!!!
Sorry about that, back to the video.😃
love the enthusiasm! :)
Congratulations on completing your crazy project.
That's a very nice hook up I would love to build a bike with that hook up
diy moding ebikes is as fun as riding them. you should see the monstrosity ive been creating, its on a different level of complexity altogether, lots of failures but eventually we land success. like your bike, a success
i did mine with bosch mid drive with front geared motor 500w 2 battries and 2 controllar. not very fast but long rang and very good for hills
Just subscribed. Love your energy and practical approach to all your projects...super helpful to us viewers. Much thanks Citizen :)
Thanks for the sub, Glad you are enjoying the content!
I like your set up.the brake cut outs are only needed when linked to pedal assist.
You could probably play with Tyre air pressure to help with traction on cold wet days but less air pressure means more drain on your batteries.
I’m playing with a two motor drive, but I don’t want to think about how I’m riding, I would like both to work simultaneously.
Cool. I’d like to know the top speed with only the front wheel. Thanks for your videos!!
This is so awesome! It's what my Jetson Bolt Pro wants to be when it grows up. :)
Id love a distance test!
What's the range? Has it improved because of split duties?
Do you have it rigged for recharging off the front hub or both(to double re-charging rate down hill)
or do you not bother with power generation on the fly?
I have nothing bad to say about it. Man you did that 😊
Damn ! Congrats on completion of an awesome proj. Gives us hope ,or jus want to ?? ,( some how Obtain something with the caliber as well as FUN , & user F.) Thanx for Sharing the info. TC✌
I bought my Rad Fat and have done everything you have done except the all wheel drive.. Your recommendations are solid I love my Rad with the True 750 Bafung motor.. If I box my Rad up and send it to you can you make mine all wheel drive too.. LOL love the channel love the upgrades
Dropping in that 750 motor makes a huge difference. Glad you're enjoying the upgrades!
@@CitizenCycle925 that's an awesome bike, best part is you probably had an awesome time creating this beast. Your like Dr. Frankenstein. So if this is an AWD bike, what would you call a bike with a mid-drive motor plus a motor in both front and back wheels?🤔🤔, Is that possible?
Amazing! It works! Good job!
Best setup for you is what it's all about mine is still singe motor but it's the same except mines dual suspension
Awesome! Thanks for bringing us along on this journey.
Hey Bill did you get all your upgrades installed?
@@CitizenCycle925 Hi, I did the controller and it was a breeze with your instructions. Bike has a little more speed and power. I'm waiting to try it out at the farm before possibly trying the motor upgrade. Thanks for all the tips and videos, I enjoy your channel!
@@CitizenCycle925 Sorry for delay, just the controller so far. Runs Great!
this is one of the first major mods ill do when I get my new ariel rider KEPLER. after I now its running fine maybe a month. already have $600 upgrades all ready
I thought if I ever had both wheels powered I'd want it seperate. I didn't know how I'd set up throttled though, great set man.
Separator switch maybe
I’m back, your getting my attention again, anytime you add to a RadRover I’m all in on it, so far I’ve done everything you’ve done but haven’t upgraded the battery yet don’t know if I’ll be brave enough to turn it into a four-wheel-drive but we’ll see thank you for your videos God bless. Mark.
Hi Mark, what I did was totally unnecessary 🙂 as you know, it's pretty powerful with just the controller and motor upgrade, this is a whole another level though
4 wheel drive??? Don’t go giving him ideas!!!
yes do a live chat , you do some good videos and love the zombie bike
How did you mount the battery to your rear rack? Awesome build
I hope you do speed and power tests on front vs. rear.
Price?
Distance?
Top Speed?
NICE BUILD
That would be perfect for me for camping going up hills with a load on my Cannondale wagon
Hi friends, very nice bike really love it, let me say there is no such thing as the motors fighting each others like some people say, if one of the motors reach target speed and the other not so the one with less speed will work harder while the one with more speed will reduce amps to mantain speed and reduce torque so at the end both systems depend on target speed and not on individually voltage or amps, every controller has a curve of power vs speed so playing with the throttle and speed adjustment both controllers/motors can be sinchronized to same power/comsuption/work time, nothing complicated just practice
Maybe swap the front and rear wheels with motors so you have the fatter tire and bigger motor on the rear wheel? Would the higher amp bolton controller work with the new front motor?
I'm not sure but I think it might require a different kit for a freewheel.
Great Video i was going to do exactly what you done however i reconsidered due to weight on the bike but after seeing this video i am thinking of doing it again
so, with the separate systems; you don't have to have the same wattage as the rear? If rear is 48v...front has to be 48v or can you have a higher voltage? Besides the power of AWD to tackle hills, another plus in having the dual motor having separate systems is that if one motor fails; you have the second motor to get you home lol. Does you set have separate battery?
Nice job! I can't wait to see the performance video.
2 years ago I thought of doing this I finally have the bike cant wait to get the kits front wheel is the first ima work on
CitizenCycle,
Personally, I like the idea of a switchable SINGLE hand twisted throttle control and preselected paralleled batteries/controllers. Obviously, getting that rear tire/wheel matched to the front fatter-broader tire/wheel. Maybe even fatter in the rear. The management of the 2 systems is not complicated. If you don't want to 'lace up' the new rear, pay a PRO to do it for you, duh?
I'd add a better headlight, maybe something from 'Olight' with a medium spread? I'd also try unifying the two brakes by playing with the ratios of front/rear until you find that 'sweet spot'!
Another thought, modify the circuit of your chargers to a selectable rate. Probably 2 modes would be great in finding that 'sweet spot' between quick and battery longevity and a full fast charge for when it's really important.
Playing with these thoughts and concepts is incredibly satisfying to the inventive mind!
Great job CC!
Love your videos and all you do to spead the fun and innovative ideas!
Please keep up the great work!
I want to do something similar to my radwagon 4... eventually.
Would it be safe to go from a 17 amp controller for a 350w 36v motor, to a 22 amp controller for a 500-750w motor? Thanks.
I have a CSC on order and might do this near the end of the year. A 1200 watt fron hub motor along with a 750 watt and 2 decent batteries sounds like so much fun and range.I am sure they get pretty good range since none of them should be straining at all.I would like a splitter or whtever it is so when i throtel they both go at the same time. I wish they would make these plug and play and not so much splicing.
i can tell you its a ton of fun if you are willing to experiment with your bike :)
Did you have any problems mounting the wheel into your fork? Is the bolt diameter the same as your oem wheel? Does your fork have a circle groove that the washer and nut sit in?
Those zip ties are is good as duct tape. I used them to hold my bike rack on the rear sides and have carried a lot of weight and it still works three on each side
Such a asmall channel with such great content
Being the front motor is Direct Drive.
That should be your main motor.
The reason is when throttle is off and coasting. There is drag from the magnets. The geared motors have a clutch so no drag.
The DD motors also are more efficient at higher speed. So when running single motor I would use the front, and add the rear geared motor when needed.
Also I would get a three position switch and connect the two motors to the PAS sensor.
So when you pedal you could activate both motors, the front only, or the rear only. And they would work on PAS.
Then keep throttles separate.
I bought a couple 3 way switches on Ebay.
I am going to do a bike with a direct drive rear, and a geared motor front. On a mountain bike I have.
On my Rad Rover I would like to do as you did. Because so far I have not found a fat tire geared front motor.
how did it go? Is the front or rear geared motor better?
Nice!!!!! I'm GONNA build one too...
I've wanted to do exactly this for a couple months now, except with a white step through radrover
Totally awesome guy! Been waiting for this video. :)
Dude I'm totally doing this..and I'm still waiting on my rad runner in the mail
hey bro I bought a kit like that, but the motor fits in the back but is too wide to fit in the front fork. The way you did it was the way I wanted to do mine. How did you get the kit to fit in the front fork? did you have to get wider forks?
The spacing between the forks at the axle needs to be measured, and there will be a kit to fit that.
Love it! Fun ride!
I think I would have the front motor on pedal assist due to drag. The back motor has no drag being a geared hub motor so it would make more sense to me to have the front motor on pedal assist, J.S.
Awesome bike! 👍 I haven’t had my Rad out in February yet maybe next. I’m going to try to ride at least once every month this winter!
From Northern Vermont
I'd love to try AWD in the deep snow but it rarely snows here ☹️
I hope you show hill climbing in the dirt and grass up steep hills. That is the hill climbing ability I would want a 2 wheel drive bike for such as hunting. Also add a trailer and see what it can pull.
Nice journey citizen,, l have been following you with this build, very nice and enjoyable, for sure... congrats!, Tc from Nevada
the Silver State! thanks Thomas, it has been an interesting transformation with this bike.
I love it - great idea/build! 👍🏼
A friend gave me a folding bike for xmas and I purchased a 3000w luna mid drive for it and a 2100wh battery from eBay. I put a 4000 lumens headlight on it and several tail lights and some multicolored chicken lights down the side and only ride at night. It looks like a ufo and is a wheelie machine. I get stares from everyone when I'm passing cars and screaming down the greenway trails at 2a.m. It's the scariest bike I own!
What’s the bag bye the Handel bars?
Have you thought to put all the batteries on the front to ad weight for traction?
I think putting on the batteries on the front would make it harder to steer and handle, Plus I don't know where you'd mount it on the front. Bag by the handlebars is by Rock Bros